Why Ladybug is an Important Character ⎮A Miraculous Ladybug Season 4 Discussion

[@lollipopsky8941]

I think it would be better if Chat and her were both equally important, 'cause I think it's a unique and fresh idea to have two superheroes as an inseparable team. It's not just a boy or just a girl, it's both of them and I think that's kinda sweet and powerful. I just wish Chat had more importance, that's all.

[@Lk6Channel]

You're completely right!! But I don't mind Ladybug being the main one though.

[@aamilakhanom]

I agree 1000000%

[@swordpegasus4032]

LOL,

[@stormart8308]

Yes like they have to be equally respected where miracules are two oposit hing and chang they are equally powerfull and can work alone ( like hakmow is liltbit god becpuse he wanth not just laydybug miracules but chats two he dreats wem equally as they are bot powerfull and only where conbined power can bring back sombody from he died)

[@stormart8308]

Plus i believe chants miracules ir more powerfull becouse it has life as i sed hing and chang chats miracules it distrukcion but part of it is live if you conbinet laydybung and chats mircules power will work like whis( if they would be bringing sombody from he died) ladybug would create a body but chat would give it life somthink more powerfull when anythink

[@artie_0382]

Honestly the only problem Marinette has is her stalkrish behaviour towards Adrien. Apart from that she is realistic, relatable and can be a good role model for kids who watch the show. The fandom is just biased towards her

[@just_hippie_vibes2742]

Exactly!!!

[@byersvhs]

PERIODT!

[@aidaamores8492]

She isnt very stalkerish in season 4. She has too many responsibilities to stalk adrien right now.

[@fatimaqaiser24]

Biased? Maybe I’ve digger too deep into the fandom but hell no, adrien is definitely the bias

[@fatimaqaiser24]

@StrawberryStar exactly, Adrien is so favourited that barely anyone points out where he’s wrong like in glaciator 2 where is was sexually harassing ladybug, everyone was saying that ladybug was wrong for throwing him in the trash even though it’s chat noirs fault he landed there in the first place

[@humanbeing493]

I always had really liked the writing of Miraculous, but never really thought about in a cultural way. But even when I do I think it still holds up and is very refreshing. And here you mainly talked about the writing of Ladybug (which I do think is great ) but personally I like seeing a male character who is not always trying to one up the female one while still being a great partner a bit more than that. Great vid btw!

[@kabsageigj8941]

"I would argue there's a lot of great subtlety to the writing style of Miraculous, often ways we the audience don't even realize." You just summed up why I have stayed hooked on this show! Thank you.

[@micahtiel]

Yeah, this is something I just realized too! I realized that sometimes the fandom criticizes the writing because it doesn't do what they want it to, ignoring what it actually does. It's not generic, it's fresh and creative! We just have to let the creators do what they want and I'm sure that it'll be great, even if it's not what we might expect.

[@kabsageigj8941]

@@micahtiel Exactly!

[@joseph86255]

I'd also argue that rather than there only being character development now, it's been there the whole time and it's only now that it's starting to become visible.

[@micahtiel]

@@joseph86255 100% agree!

[@smartcookie1806]

@@micahtiel Someone said it! To be honest, Miraculous has always had only three problems: Lack of character development, overly slow pacing, and Hawkmoth’s strength as a villain. The plot is still really good and well crafted, and as season 4 has been showing us, the organization of the show can still allow for great episodes full of complexity and feels *coughs* Gang of Secrets.

[@mdplayer1636]

We admire the show it’s just that I think we’re worried about the character development issue that MLB is having and the way it’s written.

[@sumairu5680]

yea...theres still hope...just hope that it doesnt go like svtfoe

[@hadiyashamsheer3130]

@@sumairu5680 I really don’t want this show to end up like stvfoe, the ending was a mess

[@sumairu5680]

@@hadiyashamsheer3130 OMG I AGREE... svtfoe had so much potential ;(

[@smartcookie1806]

Miraculous’s biggest draws are its mystery, plot, and romance. As long as the show improves its character writing, I think most of the issues will be resolved.

[@eshajoshi3597]

Totally agreed! This is the reason I have never hated any character in a show despite their flaws or the flaws in writing. And the subtle writing is what kept me engaged in the show after the love square got me in.

[@kabsageigj8941]

Same!

[@tanhuang_nua]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one feeling this way!

[@pumpkin_spice134]

Ya except Lila, OMG SHE’S HORRIBLE I HATE HER

[@smartcookie1806]

Thing that a lot of people don’t seem to get is that character flaws are actually really easy to fix! Just present more challenges and circumstances that allow for drastic development. That’s really the only thing the show needs to improve.

[@regularpotato]

The only hate to Marinette's character I accept is about her obsessiveness with Adrien. Every thing else is people being biased. Her character is mostly realistic.

[@vulcan65]

EXACTLY. everyone expects her to be super interesting but the girl is 13 😭 everyone who’s 13 either has a shit personality or a bland one. shes a kid and she WILL make mistakes

[@rosie1339]

@@vulcan65 the girl is not 13 she’s 14 or 15 but probably 15

[@vulcan65]

@@rosie1339 i meant at the start of the series she was 13, shes probably 14 rn because the show doesnt go in years

[@rosie1339]

@@vulcan65 they say luka is like 17 since he’s julekas older brother and juleka is one year older than marinette so now i’m very confused

[@vulcan65]

@@rosie1339 how do they know juleka is one year older tho 😭

[@crystaldrop2413]

This video is truly uplifting!! I’m so glad to see that there are still fans who acknowledge how incredibly written the show and the characters are! Recently I’ve seen so many fans who’ve had such hatred towards Marinette and it would always make me sad knowing that they don’t see how amazing her character really is. I think you did a wonderful job explaining Marinette’s character and the hidden lessons this show teaches! I really hope more people see this. Thank you for making this!!!

[@karla_thee_potato]

PERIOD SIS😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pearl707]

I don't really agree at first I use to love the character ladybug (aka marinette) but now I despise her because of the attitude and personality she has towards cat noir (aka adrien). Marinette has physical, financial, psychological and emotional support from her friends and family so she as a character is living a happy life and we as viewers know that but the other characters in miraculous we don't know what pain they are going through and I absolutely adore how marinette is willing to help them. Adrien on the other hand only gets financial support from his father and physical support from his friend nino. The poor boy is deeply in love with ladybug and she knows it yet she keeps on playing with his feelings one second she is happy and shows some affection to him the next she is mad at him (for no reason) and puts his life at risk. Recently on twitter, facebook and instagram I've seen sooooo many posts about luckantte and people commenting that it is a better ship then adrinette but posts that are about adrigami so many people are throw tantrums at adrien and saying it's a terrible ship, which I don't understand to all the luckantte shippers who are fighting the adrigami ship what do u want marinette can't have both lucka and adrien and last time I checked adrien also has a heart and a choice. And also last time I checked the show is called miraculous ladybug AND cat noir not Miraculous ladybug only

[@pearl707]

To be honest the only thing that ladybug cares about is her miraculous and her reputation to the people of Paris she doesn't give a damn about her team mates. And there are so many people that got akumatized because of ladybug (e.g volpina, befana, anansi, backwarder, bakerix, reflekdoll, Chris master, miracle queen and riposte) cat noir only made is body guard get akumatized

[@90lancaster]

They liked her fine in season 1 & 2 (mostly) - it's her over the top antics in season 3 that were grating on some people... Such as ; Animaestro (conspires with Chloe to sabotage Kagami), Partycrasher (home invasion and creepyness), Weredad (repeatedly a jerk to Cat Noir), Reflekdoll (Acts very condescending and hits Mister Bug), Silencer (acts like a jerk and hits Cat Noir), Felix, (punches a civilian in the face when she has super strength) Ladybug (implies Cat Noir should have know senti-bug was fake as she was "nice"), Chat Blanc, (Blames Adrien, & Misuse of Miraculous & Lies a whole lot) Puppeteer 2, (stalking, creeping, hair plucking "aka taking trophies") Desperada, (Say she doesn't need Cat Noir, mistreats Luka by omission, is a bad friend in general) Gamer 2.0, (Gets max Akumatised and treats Cat Noir like a jerk the whole episode) Love eater (acts jealous and has argument when she should be fighting) & Miracle Queen (is a coward about being straight with Chloe so breaks her trust in Ladybug) Yep that is almost the entire season and she does something annoying in all those episodes and I likely missed a few from other episodes and in season 1& 2 as well... such as the abuse of powers in The Bubbler, or the whole Master Fu situation in season 2. But just her whole attitude often kinda stinks to be honest.

[@crystaldrop2413]

@@90lancaster How did she act like a jerk in Silencer? I mean, she literally made the right choice by NOT giving into her emotions by fighting for justice instead of revenge, and showing what the difference is between those two. That’s a good lesson to teach to anyone, especially kids. Cat Blanc; What does she blame Adrien for and when?! And there is no misuse of the miraculous in that episode either. And when does she lie?! The only time I can think of is towards the very end, and that was to protect her secret identity which is understandable. It’s not like she lied like how Lila does. Marinette is constantly trying to help people, out of the goodness of her heart, not out of her own ego. And, just as Smarty Pants said, she’s not perfect, just like everyone else. But that doesn’t mean she’s not going to grow and learn from her mistakes along the way. (She already has in some areas, we’ve seen that.) I get some of your points but I feel like your just looking at the small things and totally disregarding the big, important things. And I’m not trying to be rude either. I respect your opinion and, like I said, I understand some of your points. But season 4 is supposed to make up for that. There’s supposed to be some extreme character growth coming.

[@lilymadkins3558]

To be honest I really love Marinette as a character sometimes but it's the obsession the writers have with her, that I just cannot stand. They fail to give other character spotlight and screentime because of their obvious favouritism. Alya was getting loved by the fandom in season 1and 2 so she was deliberately pushed back in season 3 to turn back all the attention to Marinette again. Chloe was getting a redemption arc and when she slightly became more popular than Marinette, they purposely damaged her character to make Marinette good again. Adrien, despite of being fan favourite and the co-protagonist is often downplayed and pushed back just to let her receive all the spotlight. It almost seems as if the writers are forcing us to like Marinette better than the other characters which ironically, is a primary reason why I won't. Another thing that absolutely gets on my nerve from time to time is how narrative grants Marinette special treatment while letting other characters get the repercussions for the same mistakes. The best example is Animaestro where both Marinette and Chloe were bullying Kagami over jealousy but in the end, despite Marinette's intentions being almost as bad as Chloe's in that specific episode, ONLY Chloe faced the consequences. Heck Astruc's cringey self insert even awarded her for so called "kindness" in the ending scene by letting her watch the movie with Adrien. Yes I am aware Marinette isn't generally THAT awful, she does have plenty of redeeming qualities. But c'mon mistakes are mistakes and I am sick of writers pretending like she is some perfect angel who can do no wrong.

[@Lk6Channel]

I don't think they're doing it on purpose since they write a lot of seasons before one is published. For example they finished season 4 and the writing workshop for season 5 so they couldn't know what the fans' reactions and favorites were while watching season3 so they can't change season 4 based on that.

[@lilymadkins3558]

@@Lk6Channel They might not know fans reactions to season 4&5 but they do know their reaction for the first 3 seasons. I just feel like there are purposely doing this, their favourism is pretty obvious.

[@Lk6Channel]

@@lilymadkins3558 Okay!! I only gave seasons 4 & 5 as an example. The same thing must've happened with the first 3 seasons.. I respect your opinion though! It's true, Chat Noir should get more spotlight but I don't really mind the current dynamic between chat and lb rn.

[@lilymadkins3558]

@@Lk6Channel No, it's makes sense for Ladybug to get the better spotlight than Cat Noir because Adrien is very famous in civilian form. I just want Adrien to get more screentime. If Ladybug gets better spotlight than Cat Noir, I think Adrien should get better spotlight than Marinette to create a balance

[@Lk6Channel]

@@lilymadkins3558 You are so right about that!!

[@Lk6Channel]

You are completely right about everything you just said. And I really mean it!!!! Your theories are literally THE BEST!!!!

[@bellabriscall2287]

Ikr

[@Lk6Channel]

@@bellabriscall2287 He comes up with the smartest theories ever!!!!!

[@dvreaux]

Ikr

[@namie7144]

He comes with good theories and does not offend anyone s liking 🖤

[@Lk6Channel]

@@namie7144 He really is the best youtuber for theories!!!

[@laurarami7240]

I love that for the first time in a long time a cartoon would show a so freakin amazing female caracter that pretty much the mayority can relate, like so clumsy, so insecure in aspects we all kinda have been. Idk i just love the way they wrote her, even if she’s so anoying with Adrien i just love her, i have learned so much from her, like it’s okay to feel super insecure about your work and not feeling enough to do something, like it’s okay not to have all the answers and feel overwhelmed 🥰🥰🥰

[@lunashadowingeclipse630]

I would say the only problem with Marinette is the fact she is a stalks Adrien other than that her character is so realistic . then people have a problem with what she looks like but, they seem to forget genetics and she is not going to look identical to one of her parents could she have shown a bit more interest into the Chinese culture yes, but, in the same aspect you cant force a character to be interested in a culture they did not grow up in.

[@mystii8134]

She’s also horrible to her friends but never faces consequences

[@markdavidabance6756]

@@mystii8134 horrible to her friends how?

[@otakufan5731]

@@mystii8134 Yeah since when was she horrible to her friends?

[@mystii8134]

@@markdavidabance6756 have you not seen the way she treats her friends. When Juleka is too anxious to be a model instead of encouraging her she straight up says “I’ll do it instead” when clearly Juleka wants to do it. Then when she pretty much breaks Alya’s phone. She barely apologises. Not to mention she dumps heaps of her responsibilities on her friends.

[@markdavidabance6756]

@@mystii8134 the one with Juleka, it's technically not her fault. It was Alya's. Alya encouraged her to become the model instead. She tried to comfort Juleka but then again there's Alya. And she didn't apologize? Lol, she did. Dump heaps of responsibilities? Marinette has more responsibilities than her friends, considering that she's the new guardian and the hero of Paris

[@thegoodwitchluzura]

Finally, someone who doesn’t hate her!

[@nallyaaaaaa]

exactly, thank goodness! come on, we still have seasons 4 and 5, that makes some room for improvement!

[@marinetteagreste561]

Yes. I basically cried yesterday because of this. And I am not joking. And I happy that I saw this video. So, thank you Smarty Pants. And also I know its no use cause as Taylor swift said "the haters gonna hate hate hate hate" So the haters gonna hate and we are just gonna shake it off 😂😎

[@annabelho7607]

I 100% agree on the show's subtlety! It's debatable if the subtlety adds or subtracts from the show but I think it adds a layer of subtext that viewers might miss if they don't pay attention. Things like foreshadowing, symbolism, smaller behaviourial details/changes/development pop up.

[@kabsageigj8941]

100% I absolutely love finding these things in the show. I can watch an episode I've already seen many times and still pick up something new I didn't notice before. But it can really hurt the show if it's missed. The best example of this is Reflekdoll. So many absolutely hate this episode but I think it's one of the most interesting and insightful of the season, it took me awhile to come to that conclusion though. Oblivio is usually well-liked but a lot of people call it filler while I see it as a fantastic character study.

[@annabelho7607]

@@kabsageigj8941 omg YES ON OBLIVIO! I freaking love that episode. It's not just fluff, but it fulfills several things. It shows who our protagonists are at their core. It's a 'trial and error' for the audience to show why it isn't time for the reveal. It's a marker in time to show how much further our protagonists have to go. It's a glimpse at now their dynamic might be like after the reveal. Just...*chef kiss* The 2.0 episodes were trashed by many but honestly people are missing out on them!

[@kabsageigj8941]

@@annabelho7607 Haha exactly! One of the subtle touches I like in that episode is how Ladybug is having fun. Compare "woo-hoo! Super agility is super awesome!" To her reaction in Origins. Very different all because she doesn't have this sense of inferiority about herself. (I'd wager a lot of that is due to Chloé.) On the other side, Cat Noir is taking things more seriously. He doesn't show-off or make puns until it is either useful or harmless for the fight. He's really there first and foremost to be a partner not fulfill his lack of freedom (I love that Adrien gets to do this as Cat Noir but it can be a hindrance at times) Another thing this episode does that I really appreciate is highlight that Adrien fell in love with Ladybug because of her personality and intellect, he loves the girl underneath the mask not this facade of a perfect superheroine that some seem to think. ALSO YES! Those episodes are so under appreciated. Usually they are considered pointless filler and in The Puppeteer 2's case, unbearable because of.. you know that one scene. 😂 and of course if you include Reflekdoll in this list that's also a much hated episode. Stormy Weather 2 is far more than a clipshow. It gives us a glimpse into many of the character's thoughts. We got an interesting moment with Gabriel and Nooroo and also Natalie. It also sets up *change* I mean it's only said more than a dozen times in the episode! And they bring back the very first (meaning pilot) villian of the show. People were disappointed because they didn't show much of the fight but that was intentional. It was a bold move though considering Stormy Weather is still considered one of the best fights in the show. Then lastly we have all the foreshadowing in the episode. First of all, there is a reason Chloé was very much an antagonist in this episode and Marinette said in response to her bullying Aurore that unlike her some people do change. And people say Chloe's betrayel came out of nowhere? Or maybe you were ignoring all the signs and just chalking it up to bad/inconsistent writing. Then there's the hints that the feelings are beginning to change in this episode. Marinette finally accepting calling herself a friend in the note she leaves Adrien and then "you can't change your feelings just like that Plagg" *in walks Nathlie with the note from Marinette* Also Ladybug showing appreciation for her partnership with Cat Noir, reflecting on how much they've grown to trust each other. And of course her saying "a little change is good don't you think?" To Cat Noir and her reaction to him calling her Bugaboo. Then Gamer 2.0 which shows us how pressured Marinette feels which was important to establish because it puts even more weight on her having to take on the role as Guardian but beyond that in someways it's also a reverse Reflekdoll because this time Ladybug needs to rely more on Cat Noir's approach to the superhero role "just let go and have fun" and without his help she would have failed. I also can't tell you how much I love their little moment at the end. Where Ladybug is asking how he sacrifices the things in his normal life for his superhero role. Of course unbeknownst to her he views it quite differently. Cat Noir isn't another responsibility on his plate it's a chance for him to let go of that responsibility. I like how they are getting her to see this aspect without her understanding the full picture behind it. Same thing happened in Reflekdoll for instance Plagg saying "sure was! No better way to escape the boredom of daily life!" Then there's Puppeteer 2 and I honestly think I'm too blinded by how much I love this episode in general to point out as many nuances in it. Great Adrienette development. It might not have been as cute to watch as Riposte or Gozilla but it was more valuable. The LadyNoir in this episode was just amazing 🤩 in my opinion. I adore the question Ladybug asks Cat Noir. It gets to the heart of their different approaches on feelings. Shedding some light as well on why they didn't/don't understand each other's feelings. In Marinette's mind having deep feelings for someone is going to make it hard to tell them how you feel. Probably one reason why Ladybug didn't realize Cat Noir was actually serious at first. Even if he had been successful in confessing in Dark Cupid it wouldn't have had the same emotional sincerity as it did when he told Marinette in Glaciator. Vise versa with Adrien, if "it's precisely when something's important that it's important to say it" is his mentality then of course he wouldn't see the signs that Marinette has a crush on him, she flat out denied it when he asked her. Woah that was a lot! Sorry for my ramblings. 😂

[@joseph86255]

@@kabsageigj8941 As Master Fu said in Syren, "there's a right time for everything."

[@kabsageigj8941]

@@joseph86255 Yep. Love that line.

[@Alisha0413]

I love this video it brought a tear to my eye! It articulates perfectly what I have been trying to say for a long time. And to think that some people complain about Marinette being a Mary sue and some complain about her being flawed... could be some sexism going on tbh

[@renees1922]

I don't care what people say about Mari, but I like her and she's still growing up. I dunno about the stalking part though, but maybe she doesn't realize what she's doing that's creepy because she's blinded by her love of Adrien to even care. But it's a kids show, and Mari is like a role model to kids or something.

[@shimra7996]

Yep. I think the same!

[@byersvhs]

EXACTLY

[@marinetteagreste561]

Yup. The only part I agree is her crush on Adrien is really creepy to the point she stalks him. But other than that she is really relatable for me. And I find some stuff she do related except the stalking and superhero of course. That's why she is my favourite character. And reflecdoll wasn't even Mari's fault. It was Alya who was too busy shipping over adrienette that she didn't even notice Juleka. But nooo let's blame it on Mari cause its all her fault. 🙄

[@Enderstorm20]

She's fallen in love for the first time and she's a hormonal teenager so of course she'll be obsessed with her crush

[@sophiebell4758]

@@marinetteagreste561 i mean to be honest, when i Had a crush as a Teen, i would Stalk the Internet all social Media, and try to Spend as much time With Them as possible when i could. When i Had superpowers Like Lady Bug i would probably have Done an extra round every nicht to the Window of my crush. She is a Teen With superpowers being in Love. What do u all expect

[@farmerproductions9869]

I understand parents not seeing Marinette as a role mode for children for her stalkerish but apart from that admitingly serious flaw and obsession with adrien she gets more flak than she deserves She actually does recognise mistakes she has made and tries to correct them

[@maxfieshns]

Marinette's all good except when Adrian is involved. I think that's a good point since so many of her problems (that fans keep pointing out) exist only because she's crushing on him

[@saamiyaahmed8888]

Tbh ladybug is a bit underrated in the fandom she gets attention in the show much more then cat noir but in the fandom most of us look at cat noir the most I agree she has a lot of improving to do in somethings

[@jadadanner3548]

I love both of the characters I feel like they could fix some writing with the characters like I loved how they didn’t make Marinette not as obsessed with Adrian in the NYC special and I want more screen time with chat noir I love them both honestly and they have done a great job with the characters I just want those few things to change and yes ladybug/Marinette makes a large impact in the show and for me

[@siyahole1239]

Nice 👍👍 love your miraculous ladybug videos 👍👍 keep it up ❤️💞☺️😉😊

[@lilysmith6941]

I feel like If the writers calmed down with the whole stalker behaviour that Marinette has towards adrien I think she would be way more liked

[@susanjimenez5500]

I love this show! My daughter and i watch it together. However, I do feel compelled to point out to my daughter how freaking out over Adrien does nothing but cause her anxiety... but, other than her losing it over Adrien, I love Marrienett as a lead character and for my daughter to learn from! I am glad that in some of the later episodes the insanity over Adrien seems to have died down a bit...I hope this trend continues and she comes to a point where, while she still has feelings for him, she knows her worth and knows he'd be lucky to end up with her ... I just can't help but cringe when she goes off the deep end over him! But on other positive notes, I love the diversity of the class and that they are mostly very supportive of each other (obvious exceptions aside but they are needed for the show to have a plot).

[@xoxo-wl5ol]

This video is great, and I agree, she really is important. However, it is difficult to like her character because of Adrien/Chat’s poor writing. Thomas claimed that Ladybug and Chat Noir were equals, but it’s obvious that it’s false. Chat Noir has so much potential. Night vision, exceptional senses, his Cataclysm and many more and yet this is ignored by the writers. It isn’t about gender equality for me but it’s the fact that Chat’s personality is so likeable and has so much depth. He is interesting and lovable and yet the way he is portrayed is disappointing. He is seen as silly, irritating, sometimes dumb and with no real purpose than to assist Ladybug with her plans and be her shoulder to cry on. The first time I noticed this was in the New York Special. Did we see Chat Noir in any of the real action, the plan, the battle? No, we didn’t. He didn’t do a thing, apart from stirring Ladybug’s emotions and causing a plot line for the episode. He’s never gotten a time to shine, yet he has so much potential. In all honesty, the impression I’n getting now is that he only purpose in the show itself is to be a romantic interest and to be her Shaggy and Scooby so she can buy time to make up a plan. I just wish he had more significance. Ladybug is on a kind of pedestal and is deemed superior in comparison to Chat. It’s also that fact that Adrien is clever. Really clever. He’s the smartest student in his class, a talented fencer and in one episode, I think, he has that kind of vision (the one that Ladybug uses for her lucky charm). And as Chat Noir, he is portrayed as incompetent, illogical thinker, who is regularly getting beaten up by the villains. I absolutely love Mari/Ladybug, and it really is refreshing to see a female take the lead, but Chats poor writing makes my teeth grind. Aghhh, sorry this is so long, I just had to get it out there. Sorry if this is biased, what do you think!

[@cozholly193]

i totally agree with all the points you made : )

[@Chloe-nr2uw]

I agree!I really hope in season 4 he will shine (also the fact that because ladybug might be akumatized) Theory: If ladybug got akumatized and she is the guardian who have all the miraculous of Rena Rouge,Queen Bee,etc.They won't be able to be against her since she is powerful and smart and their identities must be kept as a secret to the crowd (hawkmoth and mayura already know who they are though so their lives are really on danger) and only chat who has his miraculous and have the power of destruction (and maybe he'll use sometype of his power-ups or something or maybe also in the beginning of this episode ladybug and chat are fighting against someone who got akumatized with the new queen bee (Chloe's cousin..perhaps her first/second appearance?) and good thing ladybug also forgot to get the miraculous back from her) I don't know what happend next or how they de-evilized ladybug but i have my guts that Chat Noir is the ✨main character✨ this time.

[@Luvelyte]

Check toon ruins video on Chat Noir. It's very insightful. It may seem like Chat isn't developing but he really is.

[@Lk6Channel]

I get what you said, but just want to point out something: the fact that Adrien has potential and is smart and stuff like you said makes it..kinda equal that as Chat Noir he's not the lead. What I mean is that since in their civilian selves he's literally perfect, while Marinette isn't (even if she does do great things they never take the spotlight away from Adrien) so it's normal that in their superhero selves she's the lead and the main one while he's not thst main. And also, it's been made very clear in the show (especially in the New York special) that Ladybug can't do anything without him. If Uncanny Valley couldn't bring Chat Noir back, Marinette wouldn't have transformed and saved the day. She only did so because Chat Noir was gonna come back. Wow I didn't know this would be that long😅😂

[@Lk6Channel]

@@astrixtube 😁I'm glad!!

[@fran4999]

All of the dislikes are from lie-la, hawkmoth and mayura

[@kaijunasan4497]

Shes been my favorite since the very beginning 😍

[@shimra7996]

Mine toooo 😍

[@pritigoyal8778]

Mine too

[@mimilook4347]

Marinette is important bc without her, the show would've been over in the first episode cuz there would be no one to stop Hawkmoth. Her cleverness saves Paris in every episode, she outsmarts every villain and she is always there for others. Her biggest flaw is that she sometimes does something without thinking about how it will effect other person, regardless of if it's a bad or good thing. But once she sees her mistake, she works hard on fixing it. Dang it, she's fixing everyone's mistakes here, she cleans up after everybody! Since I mentioned flaws I have to mention how interesting it is that, when any other character makes a mistake, their stans always find an excuse and they want to prove that their characters are flawless misunderstood kids, but Marinette stans are the realest cuz I've never seen a post that says that she's perfect, everyone is always saying she's not and that's why they love her. She wouldn't be that interesting to the point where people write big essays on why they do or don't like her if she was flawless. For those who are mad that she's mostly in the focus: she's something called THE MAIN CHARACTER. I mean I too was surprised when I saw that a show about the character is actually about that character 🤦🤦🤦. Plus, what most people seems to forget is that only we see their world from everyone's pov, she sees it the way she sees it and she doesn't know what happened in a stranger's life who made her life worse, she knows that's her enemy and she'll turn against them - and whatever excuse you have you can't try to ruin other person's life bc yours is tragic. For people saying she's not a good role model, you mean her flaws are not good role model, she is smart, caring, big hearted, talented, strong, brave, friendly and is constantly trying to improve her confidence and attitude since it was squished bc she was bullied in her childhood by Chloe and didn't have friends. And yes, she hates Chloe for bullying her, not for liking Adrien, many people miss that. In case you don't know this, a character's flaw isn't something we are supposed to love or teach our kids to love. She gave up on her crush bc she thought it'll make him and another girl happy, and didn't give up on another girl even tho she gave up on her, she always puts someone else's happiness before hers (when she could've gain the credit for that scarf but didn't) and some dare to say Marinette had no development. And all that "she doesn't know why Lie-la is a lier and that doesn't give her the right to expose her" like who would feel happy knowing a person is spreading false rumours about you, I would also tell everyone it's a lie. Marinette isn't anyone's therapist and she is already helping as many people as possible, don't be angry at her for not providing therapy for kids who need it, be angry at their parents who gave them their trauma instead. I just find it bizarre that you can literally excuse a grown up terrorist and a child abuser, but can't a 14-year-old who still have a lot to learn. Wait, you CAN find excuses for 14-year-olds, even those who purposely ruin other people's lives, but not Marinette. I just find it sad how many Love Square shippers claim that they love her and then they bring her down just to whine about how Adrien deserves more attention. He does, but like, Marinette didn't do anything wrong to you personally to attack her just bc you think someone else deserves more attention too. Adrien and Chloe stans became so toxic I almost stopped watching the show bc they drove me crazy. How can such a sweet boy like Adrien have such toxic stans?! And all that whining about writers loving her, no, Thomas literally admitted that she HAS to make mistakes in EVERY episode and that they do that purposely knowing her haters will be mad at her (there was a post saying that), while he made an entire thread about why Adrien is flawless. If I loved my character I wouldn't make scenes where half of the Paris is humiliating her for having a crush, just saying. We already had a case where male writers think girl's crush on a boy is a good chance for audience to make fun of her - see Phineas and Ferb where Candance and Isabella are always made fun of for crushing on boys. Like I said, Marinette is the main character, if you hate her that much just don't watch the show. And the writing was never a problem for me to understand the characters. As for those who say Marinette never faces consequences, here you go: miraculermarinette.tumblr.com/post/667752133588877312/mc-lukanette-its-adorable-how-you-call-marinette

[@mynameisnoneofyourbusiness5217]

It’s good for a show to have a strong female lead who can rely on others without them taking advantage of her state but the problem is that she’s shown to be miles ahead of Chat Noir in Season 4 and Chat Noir at the same level as minor heroes. It would be interesting for the show to focus on Chat Noir as we know he loves Ladybug but may have repressed feelings for Marinette, depth on how much he misses his mother which would make episodes like Chat Blanc feel more emotive because then we’ve seen how Adrien struggles with the absence of his parents. This would leave room to fix Marinette and her actions around Adrien and leave room for Adrien to shine as Chat Noir more that 1 time in 2 episodes a season. This could also start to make the love square feel more romantic instead of problematic and give some room for Marichat and Ladrien which is rare to see in the show. How much more interesting would it for Adrien to become guardian with his father noticing he’s slacking and not looking ‘perfect’ and so Adrien has this story where he has to hide his identity from Gabriel. This would be interesting because of Felix, and even better if the Sentimoster theory is true. Not saying Adrien is better, but what would happen if maybe both Marinette and Adrien became half and half guardians, leaving Adrien to sympathise with Ladybug and Ladybug not treat Chat Noir like a chump

[@ih8myselff]

I like that ladybug as a girl is finally the main superhero because we have seen male superheroes already. Also she is very strong mentally and I feel like Adrien gets fame as Adrien, but when hes cat noir people focuses more in ladybug which is good change for him.

[@bungeeegumz]

Shes just too nervous around adrian its annoying sometimes

[@Riapsid08]

I get being nervous around you're crush but she's becoming the stan that she made fun of in the origin episode. It wouldn't be bad to be nervous but also to the fact of she can't even function isn't good.

[@sumairu5680]

thats one of the gag but i do agree it get kinda annoying..same goes with the stalking stuff

[@veronicablack2533]

Right? Ik she has a crush on him but it's been 3 seasons and she still sometimes acts like she did in season 1

[@lisegl3652]

I understand why she is nervous around her crush but the fact that she forgets basic English and can’t even think kinda make me mad 😂😂

[@sumairu5680]

@@lisegl3652 Lmao i find it funny tho Hahah

[@PandoraAV]

Marinette does get a lot of attention but she is the MAIN CHARACTER, so it’s all about her really. I think the characters need more development and attention too but it is a kids show so it’s not gonna be that complex sadly

[@chimeziriachife997]

What I like about Ladybug as the superhero is that she can ask for help and it it's not considered a weak thing. Almost EVERY female protagonist in today's tv industry has to carry the weight of the world on their shoulders and then are not allowed to ask for help. And doing it by themselves makes them go mad or at least drive them to the brink of insanity, for the most part because they are not allowed to make mistakes. As for Marinette, I see her character as a great role model for the younger generation to follow, she has a crush on a boy at school, like many others in school and she tries to work up the courage and determination to tell him and everything, she also regularly helps her classmates to achieve their goals on a daily basis. Now I'm not saying that they should emulate everything she does, they should definitely not break into their crushes house and sniff his pillow, but they can learn some other stuff. Stuff that parents and teachers WILL NOT care enough to teach them. That's why the target audience is mostly directed at kids.

[@pinedajewels397]

This. This... Couldn't have said it better my self

[@cvtsa5889]

Although I love Adrien and would love to see more of him, I do agree. MARINETTE IS IMPORTANT!! She’s the one who became the holder of the miraculous, she’s the one who the story revolves around. If I am being honest the show would take a depressing turn if Adrien because the main protagonist. (Don’t come for me ok, this is just my opinion)

[@kabsageigj8941]

The irony of this statement coming from this username. The actual on going plot revolves around Adrien a lot but yes, we mainly follow Marinette.

[@cvtsa5889]

@@kabsageigj8941 HAHAHAHAHA I knew someone was gonna say this (out of character btw)

[@joseph86255]

I mean, with all the times I've seen Bryce Papenbrook as the protagonist, it's nice for him to be the deuteragonist for once. Hell, he and Cristina Vee swap roles in Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel.

[@nathenewendzel884]

The only problem I find with her character is how she hasn't grown out of the unhealthy parts parts of her crush. Her crush should be more manageable and healthy at this point, but then again this inability to grow out of it might be a result of her friends over tampering.

[@nellywashere97]

Just so you know you are telling really straight facts in this vid (love your videos)

[@nevehevangelista8692]

Stop saying Marinette is a Mary Sue everyone she not even close! (Sorry I need to get that off my mind)

[@marinetteagreste561]

I think the people who says she's a Mary sue doesn't know the definiton

[@mihalyerdei3829]

I can agree with most of the comments below, she got too much of the spotlight, but maybe there are other reasons for that than the bad writing. And an interesting thing that i recently noticed is, there is bit of a parallel between Gabriel - Emily and the Adrien - Marinette relationship. We knew that Emilys family didn't like Gabriel, because he was just an upstart fashion designer and for a prominent family he was just a poor nobody. This is like the case with Adrien and Marinettes social standing, one is a rich boy and a famous model the oder is just a talented, but yet unknown girl. The other thing is with the obsession, Gabriel is just as obsessive with Emily like Marinette is with Adrien. The third thing is more like a theory, but a possible one. Because Emilys family Gabriel had to prove, that he is worthy for her, so he had to be successful , rich and famous to be able to give Emily everything that her social standing requires. And because of this he was always working, slowly growing apart from Emily and the young Adrien, becoming obsessed with the tought that he has to be always perfect. And Emily used the peacock miraculous to get away for a short time from a bad marriage and be free like Adrien as Cat Noir, even if her healt grow worse. So what do you guys think? p.s.: sorry if my english was bad :)

[@lilymadkins3558]

Wow! That's a really interesting parallel but I think Emilie was using the peacock miraculous for a sinister reason( I don't she was as perfect as she is described in the show)

[@mihalyerdei3829]

@@lilymadkins3558 Wayzz can fell it when someone is using a miraculous for evil and at the beginnig they only know that the peacock miraculous was missing. On the other side there are two other possibility: 1.The kwami didn't or couldn't recognize what Emilie was doing were wrong or evil. 2. Wayzz can't feel for what is a broken miraculous being used. But currently we don't know enough about Emilie to have a clear picture of the situation. What we know about her after 3 season is: 1. She was brave enough to go against her family, when she become the wife of Gabriel. 2. She was an actress and had at least one leading roll in a film. 3. Adrien was closer to Emilie than Gabriel. 4. She is in coma because of the peacock miraculous. 5. She has at least one sibling, her twin sister Amelie. So this is what we courrently know, but in season 4. there is going to be one episode about Gabriel. Maybe then we can get a few answer about her.

[@lilymadkins3558]

@@mihalyerdei3829 remember in the origins episode, Master Fu said that he "got it wrong only once", I don't think it was about the destruction of the guardian temple but about a miraculous holder, who used a certain miraculous for a morally questionable purpose I think it's either Emilie or Kagami's mother( just my theory). Also I don't think Emilie was a good person for number reasons:- 1) if she was brave enough to go against her family to use the peafowl miraculous which was slowly killing her, why wasn't she brave enough to stand up against Gabriel isolating and home schooling Adrien. 2) she also let her son receive a lame pen for 3 years in a row 3)In "Simon Says" Cat Noir's temper remained Gabriel of someone, I don't think he was talking about Adrien but rather Emilie 4) Also she is mentioned to be stubborn and overly dramatic when it comes to other people's safety and Gabriel is mentioned to be "a man who will anything for his family" so I definitely see a connection here. Also Alya said that the world has never seen superheroes for the past 200 years until Ladybug and Cat Noir so we know that Emilie wasn't a superhero either. Also she was a actress not a fashion model like Adrien or a fashion critic like Audrey so I think she was very manipulative( Mother Gothel kind of parent) but since Adrien is very innocent, I don't think he noticed, maybe that's why he describes her as so perfect!

[@joseph86255]

I do think we're going for a generation xerox between Adrien/Marinette and Gabriel/Emilie, but I do also feel they're building up Emilie to have been very similar to Marinette, especially in Simon Says when Adrien says she has his mother's smile/eyes and Gabriel describes her as having been way too overly dramatic, which, well, sums up Marinette perfectly.

[@joseph86255]

@@mihalyerdei3829 Why do I get the feeling that the Gabriel episode will be seen from Emilie's persepective?

[@yingqinlin5530]

I really like how miraculous is such a good show because it teaches kids that stereotypes shouldn’t be a thing or are not post to be a things and they do that so well it shows kids that they can be whoever they want and I think that is the most important part in any kid show to teach kids lessons to make the next generation and I love how miraculous just does that perrrfectly One point I need to point out is miraculous bullies in the show it just shows that don’t be controlled by a bully so I think that’s also a very important thing

[@urosgajic6130]

I love this show too much to hate it

[@amyakilo2269]

Same🙃

[@Lk6Channel]

Same here!!!

[@sumairu5680]

lOL SAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...BUT IF S4 GOES BRRRRRRRRRRR...ILL PROBABLY WONT LOVE IT AS MUCH...BUT IVE NEVER BEEN THIS PATIENT TO A SHOW

[@bmb4rllyxcgsss837]

Tell me about it lol

[@amyakilo2269]

@@sumairu5680 we're waiting for practically 2 years. If Season 4 is bad or rushed...😑

[@RVforestgreen]

Tbh a lot of the Marinette hate seems to be due to flandarization of her character, especially in season 3.

[@sumairu5680]

agree...just hope marinette,chloe, and maybe gabriel get more character development idk

[@RVforestgreen]

@@sumairu5680 yeah they all got done dirty in their character development, all mostly for the sake of maintaining the status quo the show is currently stuck in

[@kabsageigj8941]

Agreed. However the characterization in season 3 could be intentional as her reaching her lowest point. It's impossible to tell until we start getting season 4 but I think the NY special could support this idea because she was toned down here. (she didn't lose all of it of course, that would be unrealistic) I disagree with the whole Chloé's character development was ruined.

[@sumairu5680]

@@kabsageigj8941 ah now that i ithink abt it i feel like chloe might get a big redemption her current redemption kinda suck in a way lol

[@kabsageigj8941]

@@sumairu5680 That's what I'm expecting.

[@mugichu5827]

Jingle bells Hawk moth fell Then he ran away Chat is hot Lila’s not Adrienette all the way! Hey! Repeat 2x

[@Hihi-in8cx]

Jingle bells Hawk moth fell Then he ran away Chat is hot Lila’s not Adrienette all the way! Hey!

[@shimra7996]

LMFAO

[@eddog6666]

I have a strong feeling that Marinette is going to become akumitized very soon. I think Chloé will have to make a choice without a silver lining. I believe Chloé will be forced to chose between the be miraculous or surprising mayura. It’s going to be an impossible choice. But I think Chloé is smart enough to realize that if she takes the bee miraculous she can’t change and ladybug will demean her as a villain. But if she takes the peacock and uses it to help defeat Akuminette she will prove that’s she’s a hero to herself and going against her own desire. I don’t by the stuff that the author is using. It’s a trope called blame and switch. He wants the fans to hate Chloé so he can get the shock from the fan when Chloé saves Marinette and figures out Marinette is ladybug. And since they were akumitized after using a miraculous Chloé can support Marinette as she remembers what she did as an akuma.

[@mystii8134]

Marinette: understanding, valuing other people’s ideas Marinette 5 seconds later: nah we should do it my way, or the high way. Marinette: comforts friends, contributes to relationships marinette: benefits from relationships, doesnt face consequences, doesn’t comfort friends

[@90lancaster]

yeah I was thinking much the same thing - for every time she does something nice there is a time she only does something nice when it advantages her - or she does something nasty that advantages her, I could go on for days. But I think she on some level thinks (quite literally) of Adrien as "Her Adrien" like a thing she possesses. That seems to be why she feels entitled to bust into his house or steal his stuff, or crash his 'boys-party' she's really self-entitled like that and she gets really pissy if another girl talks to Cat Noir too - even Rena Rouge.. I wouldn't say she never tries to comfort people as she tried to comfort Alix in Timebreaker and she tried to comfort Ivan in Stoneheart & she tried to help Nathaniel. - she often screws things up more than helps though. As for her zany attitude to Chloe that is a while other topic all on it's own. But I'm still really salty about her chasing Adrien when she thinks Kagami is the Girl he's in love with - while also claiming Kagami as a friend too. I do think others do sometimes take advantage of her too though (like with the babysitting), But if we were expected to think she's nice then having so few examples of her being nice isn't a huge help. A lot of the time she's really just butting in on someone else''s conversation such as Stormyweather 2 or Dark Cupid. Things were much simpler before they did a demolition job on Alya's character too. She always had some issues - but she had lots of positives too - lately not so much. She now only seems to exist as an Adrienette shipping tool for the writers.

[@starlight_studios]

Says that majority of audience is. Kids Me: has a full ladybug cosplay outfit

[@90lancaster]

Pics or it didn't happen (joke)

[@alien5000]

I love the writing just not at the end of season three😭

[@smartcookie1806]

Character wise it felt like Chat was getting shafted and Marinette wasn’t getting better. But at least some of the best episodes of the series were in the latter part of that season.

[@Multi-fandomEldingArum]

Wow. That is really a good way to put it, and that is shows how a kid show with very flimsy writing can show a better female lead who can be strong but also have vulnerable and work well together with men and respect them, when that appears to be a real problem movie studio writers are having these days.

[@vivienne6876]

oh, and one more thing, i hope one day, chat won’t just be a shoulder to cry on for lb. oh god i’m already getting so sad, but chat’s mistreatment is just- AWFUL. PRAYING that he won’t be mistreated in s4 + many more specials / seasons to come !!! fingers crossed. also hoping they can show lb / mari (especially mari) that she’s her own independent person

[@vivienne6876]

but basically what it comes down to is- JUST HAVE BETTER WRITING SKILLS, TO THE MLB TEAM.

[@kidnow_squidnow]

don't blame the writers for chat's situation, blame thomas. thomas has said multiple times kn Twitter that he knows ladybug is treated better than chat and then goes back to hiding under the excuse that they're equals

[@toastmastergeneral3391]

I wouldnt say all that, but you certainly got a point.

[@modernqueen9243]

I love Marinette, he stalker stuff is strange, yes, but nyc helped her see it was unhealthy. But that doesn’t mean I like cat noir. He’s pushy and has been officially sexually harassing Ladybug since she rejected him. I found a bingo game about the writers poor treatment of Marinette on tumblr.

[@aamilakhanom]

U wouldn't say he sexual ly harassed her just a lil pushy but that's my opinion NO offence

[@sumairu5680]

yea tbh i like how they made her realize it than giving her consequences..because it will turn like this... "omg i got in jail i shouldve realized i was a creep im so sorry"...and kinda sad that people focused how she is so OP that they didnt think master fu giving the miracle box is a consequence of marinette...ITS THE BIGGEST CONSEQUENCE for my opinion so ya

[@fieryicymilkman6098]

@@sumairu5680 But there are so many other things that just been brush over

[@modernqueen9243]

@@aamilakhanom he constantly try’s to kiss, hug, touch and push her to his emotions.

[@shimra7996]

@@modernqueen9243 your right.

[@beatrixptter501]

Ofc marinette is special thats why shes the only thing that comes out of my mouth

[@lakshitadash4205]

In Cartoon there is more boys as super heroes but I think girls should get to be a superhero

[@SimpleRainbow-g2n]

I feel like the show deliberately goes out its way to humiliate and embarrass her. Marinette tries to move on from Adrien but the plot goes, "sike, just kidding!"

[@warrenwillis885]

Never knew this show had such a big adult fan base my 6 year old daughter love this show and I believe it's a good compared to most of the garbage on streaming but it being from overseas I cant ever find toys movies or other things like that unless there super expensive collectables

[@90lancaster]

New stuff is out soon by Playmates toys (a lot just released in the UK & Europe) try Amazon. Dolls and 12cm figures just came out & more Kwami Plus are due later in November. (but have actually shipped to some gift stores in America as well) & yep it has a lot of adult fans guys as well as girls & of various ages. It seems the love square or Highschool drama stuff captured some people's interest and other just like that it's a superhero show I guess. It has a VERY extensive fanfiction community too. This is what I am reading at the moment : archiveofourown.org/works/22884142/chapters/54695491

[@ramonramy1451]

she is so relatable and an amazing character

[@crystallized_w]

I adore Marinette, but my one real concern is her obsession towards Adrien. It makes me unbearably uncomfortable to watch :( it’s obvious the show is trying to play it off as, “haha!! Look! Silly crush shenanigans!” without ever bringing attention to the way she treats him like an object instead of a person with thoughts and feelings at times. That’s not always the case as we can see in several interactions she genuinely cares and listens to him, but when you look at the not-so-good moments as well, her character comes off as inconsistent. Times like those makes it obvious the writers are mainly comprised of (white, old) men lmao. They have no idea how to tastefully handle a young girl experiencing a crush for the first time without her coming off as an unhinged stalker 😬

[@90lancaster]

Yeah if Chloe and Lila are sexually harassing Adrien - Marinette is coming very close to sexually objectifying him. The only real difference is he doesn't care if it's her doing it as he thinks she's "Adorable".

[@crystallized_w]

@@90lancaster And that's what we call ✨bad writing✨ It's so concerning when you remember the show is targeted towards very young children. "Stalking/obsessing over an individual because you're in love with them" is the _last_ message you want to send towards impressionable kids. Especially those who are at the age where the thought of romance may begin to intrigue them. It can severely warp their understanding of how romantic interest/relationships should be handled in a healthy manner for both parties :(

[@90lancaster]

@@crystallized_w I get a worried expression on my face when I think what the heck kind of message it sends to pre-teens and young teens about Lila basically sexually harassing Adrien, or Chloe persistently Bullying Marinette (and Nathaniel, urore & others) since she was about 7. Or how Marinette's parents didn't seem the believe her about Lila and the expulsion. You transpose those ideas to different situations it's kinda horrific Not unlike this Fiction here : archiveofourown.org/works/9808547/chapters/22024859 (warning not for the kiddies this one) The messaging isn't good on those points, Thomas says so very weird things too on Twitter that raise plenty of eyebrows and makes one a bit concerned about the mode of thought of the people making the show too. I will especially be concerned if Lila carries on with her behaviour as she does and no one stops her. or at least puts the breaks on her, sure it's a TV show and it needs baddies - but they just seem to always take the problematic path on so many issues.

[@benrussell-gough1201]

About time someone pointed out that the alternative to how Marinette is portrayed is the Mary Sue and we've got too many of those in entertainment already!

[@90lancaster]

Mary Sue's rarely suffer consequences for their actions, Marinette often gets rewarded for her bad behaviour. For example terrifying Cat Noir into not miss behaving, and changing his status (again from equal) post Miracle Queen to subordinate - as SHE as the guardian gave him his Miraculous now - SHE can legitimately take it back - where as before he could argue that he was given it by her predecessor - now he can't so she has 100% control over him - that she didn't before. She doesn't suffer much consequence she looses Master Fu, but gains all the Miraculous and gets to do what she wants with them - she also has access to magics that Cat Noir doesn't. The closest to a consequence is Hawkmoth getting Master Fu's Tablet. Otherwise each setback benefits her more often than not in the end.

[@miraculoustalesofobliviousness]

TANK YOU U SUMMED UP MY THOUGHTS PERFECTLY 👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤯👏👏

[@MCGamerD]

I like this show, for the most part. I think the writers are clever and put down a lot that the audience does not pick up on. Some people are quick to make superficial judgments. I was not crazy about the New York movie. Other than that, it is worth watching.

[@Clover.Kay.]

I absolutely agree! I love this theory so much! I do wish cat noir could have more episodes about him just because they give to much attention to Ladybug and in some episodes make him seem dumb. But I do love Marinette/Ladybug!

[@Faith_Soprano]

I know a lot of people say they want Labybug and Cat Noir to be equals, but I don't think it's realistic or possible for there to be completely equal people in a fight. There has to be a leader, because when a decision needs to be made in a split second in the middle of a fight, as much as you can listen to everyone's ideas and rely on your partner/allies, there still needs to be one voice that will say what the team will do. Otherwise, a decision will never be made. Especially when the team is made up of 2 people - as soon as they want to do 2 opposite things, they're stuck if they're equal. A team can't really have 2 leaders either, because sooner or later, they'll end up with conflicting orders and everything will fall apart. That's why a leader is necessary. I think a lot of people expected them to be equal because the show is named after both of them and the beginning of it was about just them. Now that more people are added to the team, it's becoming more apparent that Ladybug is the leader, but that has always been the intension. It just wasn't as obvious when there were just the 2 of them.

[@UserNotfound471]

Yes it is obvious because she is the guardian of the miraculous now in season 4 we gonna see her more talented girl as we can see in episode timetagger bunnix told Ladybug will be the greatest team leader of miraculous that has ever existed

[@90lancaster]

Well it is pretty likely that a lot of the other Miraculous didn't need to be active for extended periods and this is a a period that is the case - there isn't likely that many others. Many Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous wielders might not even have met any other users.

[@UserNotfound471]

@@90lancaster Yeah it is

[@lesetjamatthewslanga2635]

U are right about everything

[@meloncaaat2050]

I think I have to respectively disagree with this. I feel like your points on the flaws of ladybug largely overlook the actual flaws in the writing she is giving. I agree that character flaws such as showing weakness in the face of adversity is good because it’s necessary. I don’t think you could write a good character without giving them human flaws because that’s what makes them human-like (and yes technically this gives the writers “brownie points” for writing a female lead like a person but only in that sense?). However I’d say the writing is flawed when she does things which should be treated as flaws but aren’t, such as stealing phones/invading privacy (and houses)/lying etc. Sometimes she has good reason to, like protecting her secret identity and then sometimes she does them for her own selfish gain. For example, a lot of episodes have her motivated to do things so she can get closer to Adrien or more selfishly stop Adrien from being close to other girls, (like the gamer episode or Kagami’s first appearance when she did fencing and the beginning of United heroez). I don’t think she’s ever really portrayed as in the wrong for trying to sabotage peoples relationships with Adrien, for example Ikari Gozen, she goes through Kagami’s phone because she thinks Kagami is talking to Adrien and tries to sabotage Kagami’s chances of talking to him. This episode she realises kagami has no friends and one strict mum, and learns the lesson of not judging people but she doesn’t learn the lesson that having a crush on someone (she can barely talk to) does not warrant her treatment of others. Her behaviour of placing Adrien on a pedestal (on top of the pedestal he is placed on by society by being a teen model and son of the top fashion brand), is seen as not only normal, but acceptable. I’m not saying she can’t be weird or creepy (all I think sometimes she goes further than necessary to be put on kids tv) I’m saying she can’t be weird and creepy and then the writers tell us there are zero consequences to her actions, or that they are good qualities. This is a kids show and it has the responsibility of teaching its audience about the world and this behaviour tells us it’s normal and ok to stalk crushes and sabotage their relationships. I know literally all of Adrien’s friends are also girls who only care about being his girlfriend but that’s also just bad writing. Pretty much every opposite sex character to be friends with marinette and Adrien get sucked into a harem of sorts, which is kinda unrealistic at best and harmful at most. Namely with Adrien’s harem, Marinette, Chloé, Kagami and Lila see Adrien as some prize and the others as competitors unworthy of his possession. This is kind of an old timey stereotype of females never being depicted as friends because they are fight for the manz so not great. Another thing I’d disagree with is how talented she is. You talk about how she is smart, caring, brave and overall great she is. Yeah, she can fence, bake, pro game, she designs things for the number one rockstar, she’s friends with literally everyone, studies hard etc etc. And she’s the best superhero. This isn’t even portrayed as “Wow Marinette you sure are successful “ it’s just again normalised (quote: “I’m just a normal teenager with a normal life”). She’s super humanly talented at anything she picks up and we don’t really get a reason to why, or an interesting message the writers try to send. Basically the writers gave us a main character who is “normal girl” who obsessed over the love interest but she deserves it because look at all cool things she can do which is everything! And she’s also the leader superhero who is better than chat because he takes up the stereotypical jock role of being stupid but strong while she takes up the “girl who thinks” stereotype. BUT don’t forget that no one is perfect! When her entire school hates her and kicks her out (that one Lila episode) or when everyone in Paris is hypnotised by bees (miracle queen) she breaks down like a normal person. Yep even though an actual teenager is susceptible to exam stress, marinette can only cry over her responsibility over paris that she didn’t even want to have, as a treat. Basically my point is, that marinette is does a lot of things a 15 yr old should not be able to do and handles stress and adult could suffer from and it’s not a healthy mindset. Children and audience often project themselves into main characters and I don’t think Marinette is a realistic or healthy person to embody. A lot of shows with child protagonists actually acknowledge that they are children with children capabilities. Andddd I’m not getting into gender politics because I’m tired. I will say though that there are definitely more important socially and gender critical shows out there (new favourite the owl house (If a great thing about marinette is that she gorl? How about a main character who isn’t in a really figure revealing skin tight suit! And who’s gender doesn’t have an air of “look a girl lead sting independent woman look how progressive I am”)). Sorry for long comment. As always this is mostly my opinion and interpretation of the show and it is flaws because I didn’t do research and based what I know off memory. Do not take anything I say personally cuz it’s a kids show :P

[@christophermathew7934]

I agree with you, it's strange how she's so talented and then seen as "just a normal girl." And yes, the harem thing, and the jock/smart girl tropes are often overused. For me, at least in most TV shows, the obsession with strong female leads is leading to a lack of male role models, something which concerns me. Aside from Trollhunters and its sequels, Dragon Prince, and Zak Storm, there aren't too many modern cartoons I can think of with strong male protagonists. I'm not saying women can't be the main character or be important to the plot, but I do think that things have gotten to the point that there are fewer and fewer male leads in anything other than cartoons for kids who are very little, or adults. The tween/teen shows with male leads are becoming rare. That's just my opinion of course, but I challenge you to see how many modern cartoons with male leads in this age group you can list off the top of your head. Now, I can let Zag Studios off the hook by saying that they made a more male-oriented series in Zak Storm, but I can't say the same for other producers. This is just a broader criticism for when people say "We need shows with more female leads." That's important, but it shouldn't push out male leads, or lead to a decline in shows of that group. Young boys and teens need a more relatable person onscreen to help them become men of character. I think we need shows with male leads because they can better embody traits that boys should possess as they grow up. I disagree with the idea that producers often say, that women can be perfect role models for both boys and girls. Maybe for girls, but I do think that boys need a male mentor as well growing up. Again, just my opinion, not meaning to offend anyone, but I do think people need to pay attention to the lack of TV shows with male role models; not that people should get rid of shows with women leads, but they should make more with male leads.

[@meloncaaat2050]

@@christophermathew7934 I think this is a really interesting opinion! Thx for sharing! So for me, I think definitely miraculous ladybug doesn’t do a great job with its handle on gender. However I can think of a lot of shows with male leads for example, • Steven Universe - a fav, with the titular character being male (yes a lot of the characters are female presenting too) ** • adventure time, with its two most important characters being male • ok ko - the titular character being male (and the next three characters being one female and two males) • Star vs the forces of evil - ok I know Marco is not the main main character but I feel like he gets as much development as Star (and definitely gets his own episodes unlike Adrien). Basically svtfoe did what mlb tried to (despite its ending being a little off) • the amazing world of gumball - good show, the two main characters are male and the rest of the cast is evenly split • Gravity falls - I feel like is more focused on dipper anyways • I don’t watch marvel or dc series but that’s most probably gonna have males in it And honourable mentions like Bow (shera remake) and King (the owl house) are valid characters. (Also I’m aware all the shows I’ve listed have ended but they are good and also the only shows I can think off anyways because I don’t watch tv often. And in all honesty I can’t think of any other shows so maybe that means a lot the shows I watch do have male protagonists ) My main gripe with ur comment tho must be with ur opinion on why we need male main characters. We want more female main characters simply because in history, females were not featured as main characters often, and in narratives were often seen as more of side characters, mostly romantic interests (and this is because of those fun stereotypes where men are expected to perform all this these tasks like make money, lead, be physical etc while women were expected to be pretty and also emotional counsellors and stay at home). The aim of writing more female mcs is to combat this history and just make it so we a more equal amount identities being represented. So if we suddenly only had cartoons with only female leads then I’d argue we should strive to make more male mcs for the sake of equal representation. ...and NOT for the sake of “boys need to embody male traits”. Firstly what do you class as a trait that boys should embody growing up? And why aren’t women able to display that as trait effectively as a man? You said that maybe girls can learn from both men and women but boys can’t learn from women? So by that logic a boy can’t learn traits from a woman even though she may have learnt those traits from men? And these traits? Why is it so essential for a boy to have these traits, what kind of experience can a boy go through that a girl can’t? The only experience I can think of (other than puberty which would probably take a back seat in cartoons anyway) is our experience with sexism and gender conflict. Gender stereotypes do affect different genders in different ways. With women a lot of the experience is that we think they can’t achieve as much. With nb folks it’s much more of a trans experience. And with men, we over pressure them into being strong or successful or confident or less emotional or aggressive or physical or sexual etc etc. And if you don’t fit these types you tend to get ostracised from society (if u weren’t overly “manly” you get classed as a nerd, or gay (which is dumb because there’s a difference homosexual and acting outside gender normativity)). Actually males have a much higher suicide rate because emotions are just not something we associate with being male. The problems and traits which are solely significant to males are only if you wanted the show to have some sort of political stand point on gender roles hen yeah you can choose the male perspective. So yeah if u wanted some male experience, then we need more male protagonist who learn to be healthy with their feelings, don’t stereotypical punch stuff because that’s “how males do it” or feed into gender roles. However the same goes for women, nb ppl, and other non gender related identities such as ethnicity, sexuality, class, family status, whether you own a dog. It’s about the experience of life and everyone experiences that differently. And regardless you can tell stories without making it a conflict on gender. You don’t need to be a woman man or nb to be strong, sensitive, talented with speaking, creative, constructive etc etc etc. The only experience limited to gender is things like sexism. Not even penises are limited to gender (you could be trans, you could male by chromosome but not reproductively, you may have had it removed due to medical complications and due to cartoon logic you could be a robot who presents and identifies as male but has no parts because robots who have no function to drink water doesn’t need to expel it). Although I do recommend reading on Murdock’s theory of family (I’m a sociology student lol) if u wanna know your stereotypical definition of gender roles. My main consensus is that 1) I can list loads of men :) and they are all good kids I have no problem with them 2) if we did have a shortage of males that would suck but purely because there’s no reason to have less representation (and by that logic we need more main characters who are neither male or female). I disagree with the notion that boys need male role models because we really just need to scrap gender norms all together, and start treating boys and girls as kids and male and female characters as characters without making it about what’s assumedly in the pants. This is all kinda my opinion and view tho and obviously my experience is different to your experience. Overall this was pretty interesting to think about! Edit: also strong male protagonists? I feel like the concept with “strong” protagonists is kinda skewiff? I think everyone character and every real person is both strong and weak. We have highs and lows and the main thing is we grow from that. MLB’s marinette is a good example bad writing because she doesn’t have her weaknesses which make her a very unrealistic and narratively obnoxious character.

[@MrRmcbigboss]

Ladybug for a strong female lead is the ideal one and actually her character can also can also inspire the male audiences through her humility, but don't forget her alter identity as marinette completes the character also, at a cultural level she is the ideal form for multiple reasons. I would love to see her adult version (hinted in timetagger) a juxtaposed version who with all the character strengths of the younger version but has also learned of her own and more human limitations through her experiences, it could really expand on that strong female lead character with that one I think. especially when a younger lady bug also benefits from being in contact with adult ladybug, abit like a coming of age moment?

[@Abielle]

There are critiques for everything but I like Marinette despite her flaws because she's entertaining. Mind you, I'm not a little kid trying to learn anything from her, I'm just heavily invested in the -chaos- drama. I wouldn't say she's all that unique. Having grown up with similarly flawed but strong female leads like those is Card Captor Sakura, Sailor Moon, Inuyasha etc. (ANIME IN GENERAL ), she's just a magical girl trope but with the twist of also being a Western super hero. If you want to talk about flawed female characters in "feminist" shows.... Sailor Moon (as in the title character, Serena/Usagi) was famous for being the absolute worst personality-wise but she grew and became better over time. And if you want to complain about Chat Noir being a useless side character, then you've never seen Tuxedo Mask. So I think it's all about perspective.

[@90lancaster]

Well I guess (from a certain point of view) Tuxedo Mask and Cat Noir are both sex symbols of sorts.

[@Idk-yc4mu]

Will the New York special come to Netflix?

[@kabsageigj8941]

No unfortunately they no longer have the rights to the show. Disney+ got them for the specials and future seasons. So it is going to be on Disney+ don't know when though.

[@Idk-yc4mu]

@@kabsageigj8941 ;-; BRUH I DONT WANNA PaY MORE MONEY

[@fieryicymilkman6098]

@@Idk-yc4mu Just watch them online when they come you got to look for a good website though

[@Idk-yc4mu]

@@fieryicymilkman6098 OKAY!

[@kabsageigj8941]

@@Idk-yc4mu If you can access it, ladyblogfanpage Instagram account has it.

[@joseph86255]

This might be your best video yet.

[@April-uj1tn]

3:45 3:48 that is so me when my classmate shows off and tries to make me like him lmao

[@sarodiasarkar976]

Not only Mari /Lady is important..Cat /Adrien is also cause without him for a little time also, ladybug will not able to last..Many times when Ladybug was in danger, cat noir gave up for protecting her..

[@Steelblaidd]

Any team that sets up a thematically consistent character reveal (Bunnyx) 3 seasons in advance, so they can do one of the most heart wrenching what if stories of the series(Chat Blanc) is playing the long game.

[@Steelblaidd]

Adrien is also shown to be vulnerable, emotional, gentle, kind, unsure, dorky, and traumatized. He is still heroic and uncynical.

[@lerona.martyr3811]

Could you do a video on the relationships between secondary characters and if they got enough development?

[@tsabitahgalaxy5863]

I LOVE MARINETTE, the only time i hate her is the way how she is obsessed with adrien too much, BUT i do appreciated the writers for ny spesial development (even if its just a little) i mean at least she tries her best, right? Development is hard and sometimes slow and its relatable to real life, besides the over obsession, marinette is amazing as a leader, friend and a superhero, sure she isnt flawless but that is what makes her realistic, and ofc nobody is flawless even cartoon carachters and also the reason why is she so spesial is well she is THE MAIN CARACHTER, but i would even appreciate it more if the carachter development in nyc actually sticks within the show as it progresses, but this is just my opinion :)

[@marinetteagreste561]

True, The only problem is her stalker and obsession with Adrien. Other than that she's the best

[@UUUU-dn9wz]

The problem with LB isn’t that she is the team leader (she has the Bug miraculous and luckychurm so it’s logical that she is the one who thinks on how to use it), the problem is that 50% of the time she fights without CN it’s because he saved her, and that’s kinda ok to me, but the other 50% of the time is CN himself that does something stupid. Also CN never gets the chance to save the day himself, that is something that should happen for his development, and the only real reason an episode like that (in silencer he did basically all the job but he was not completely the last chance, so it doesn’t count) did not happen may be because this will happen in the final fight with Hawkmoth. The problem with CN IMHO is that I don’t get if he didn’t improve much because the writers just have abandoned the idea of him being equal to LB or because in the bigger picture he’s meant to fall from equal to inferior to LB to then catch up and become equal with her again. (That doesn’t necessarily mean CN must see LB as weak or that LB must cease to be the team leader, it just means that CN must stop gradually becoming more stupid (from being very smart, resourceful and good in almost all the fights in season 1, to be much more stupid and completely dependent on LB in season 3, where the episodes he is dumbed down are 8 out of 26 and the ones does a larger job than LB are just 2. Meanwhile in s1 we still have CN inferior but far from as much, and in “normal” fights he’s usually much more independent, skilled and fundamental for the win. The poorly written character is not LB (and IMHO she is not too op, other heroes that receive the miraculous IMHO must be far inferior) but is CN (and not Adrien).

[@jessequao7780]

Make one about cat noir to complete

[@stefaniepassah523]

Yes she is and important character and that is for real

[@helloworld9049]

Cool vid

[@wintercactus7013]

Your the first comment! Congratulations 🎉 It is a great video

[@helloworld9049]

@@wintercactus7013 thanks

[@wintercactus7013]

@@helloworld9049 😎😁

[@sophiehale1171]

I love this show love your videos

[@mtbarayamlb2611]

Actually their both equally the same well at least if it wasen’t for the over dose of the loving for marinette they both deserve the exact same recognition considering the fact Adrien has a very complicated and abused life but there both the exact same I only think she’ll be very very IMPOSSIBLE to beat if she gets akumatized because the fixes for the akumatizations can’t be fixed without ladybug and also they can’t catch the akuma but as well for Adrien all they need to do is block his upgraded cataclysym break his bell capture the akuma then fix everything and then it’s done. So I think marinettes gonna be the final boss in I think season 5 or 6 after that I think there gonna have a season for a reveal and then that’s it but I think their gonna have some specials just in case their fans still are clinging to the show (which I personally am doing)

[@marinetteagreste561]

Yeah. We saw how powerful Chat was so imagine what how much power Mari will get. There's a reason butterly man sees Mari as the door of his success.

[@nuclearizedhulk3318]

Hey I got fan fury idea I just about a long time and that is is marionette evil ? and I got another fan fairy I just available for a lack of a sweetie bug also as well and that is is Adrian's bodyguard a gorilla a sentimonster a?

[@ashlynngillis6705]

Marinette is the best

[@shimra7996]

Yess

[@vivienne6876]

i completely agree w this !!!!!!! u just got yourself a like n subscribe ^^

[@tulip135]

I still feel like Marinette/LB is borderline a boring character, at least in comparison to Adrien/CN. I mean, the emotional trauma he has from Gabriel and maybe even his mom is already a handful, plus the fact that he likely thinks about how he almost killed uncanny valley, PLUS the possibility of him finding out about Chat Blanc; there’s so much to unpack. Hopefully with Marinette being the guardian now all of that changes (her ancestry seems to be interesting as well, we’ll see in the shanghai special).

[@Wolfy39565]

If u don't like the character why watch the show? She's the main character!🙄

[@90lancaster]

It's not always the case they dislike her so much as they dislike 'her' attitude and what she does.

[@Wolfy39565]

@@90lancaster make sense

[@kidnow_squidnow]

i like marinette/ladybug as a character, but not as a person. yes, i like how she is presented. a girl fighting for her love with a double life that leaves her under a lot of pressure. love that. i can relate to her sometimed as well. but as a person? she's possessive over adrien, she gets angry at chat whenever he does anything even mildly wrong, she's presented as the "best miraculous holder of all time" which is the most mary sue title in the world, she's always making plans and telling HIM what do do even though they're "equals" apparently.. i could go on and on and on. examples: when misterbug doesn't perfectly understand the lucky charm, ladynoir smacks him on the head with a metal weapon (reflekdoll,) she and kagami are put together on a challenge and she wants to make them lose because she thinks that winning will give kagami time to hang out with adrien (ikari gozen,) she chooses ryuko to fight knowing exactky how dangerous that would be for kagami, just because kagami and adrien are on a date which MARINETTE initiated for them (love eater) and more.

[@Mjwara]

Really can't wait for the new season and when will Ladybug and Cat Noir be officially a couple?

[@tanvinawale9917]

its not gonna happen anytime soon

[@marinetteagreste561]

Seeing how the love square progressing and still no development even though S4 is finished I think when we are gonna be 80. So let's just sit down and read fanfic.

[@LAFOOTBALLWWEFAN]

I get why ppl hated her but she had some major development in season 5.Shes done stalking adrien now (hopefully). She is honestly more powerful than chat noir (by just a bit) she thinks before she does anything as ladybug, and my poor girl has so much pressure on her by others. i feel bad for her

[@emyra1345]

I don't hate her character either, to me it's sad that the others get so little time to shine. There are so many interesting characters but instead we're show Marinette stalking Adrien to the point where it's creepy.. I think they can do a better job at showing off their other characters and making Marinette less creepy. I don't mind her being the main character but it can definitely be interesting to have an episode focused on someone else for a change. Or to have Marinette spend more time with an otherwise underdeveloped background character. I also think that if they want to spread true equality when both Adrien and Mari should be main characters with equal screen time. And don't even get me started on the whole Chloe dilemma.

[@nope137]

Ladybug is important because if she don't exist no one able to capture akuma and get everything back to normal and lucky charm to help if they need clue/help

[@90lancaster]

The reason Cat Noir stans are miffed is down to a lot of subtle little jibes against him that add up to an indication he's poorly handled. For example why does he have to throw an Akumatised object to her to break when he can break it and she can still purify the Akuma - there is no reason other than they want her to look good. Take Dark Blade, She breaks the sword - why couldn't Cat Noir do that ? - or why couldn't he disarm him have the sword embed in the roof and have her kick or slice the end off with her yo yo cord - but nope she has to do it. They do everything to make her look good and it's annoying as heck.

[@andrewshearsby8125]

While i do agree with many off your points. but Astrucc needs too tone down her stalker problems.

[@anusharanjanee3037]

I love the show and I am a kid and I don't mind ladybug being the main character

[@anikamonosmith1288]

I would like Marinette much more if she wasn't so stalkerish/possessive about Adrien. I'd also like her to be less stuck-up and insulting towards Chat Noir (think Reflekdoll or CopyCat), but I am equally upset about Chat Noir's lack of respect for her physical/relational boundaries, so I think they just have some general issues between them as a duo. My last issue is with Tikki more than Marinette. That immortal being is for some reason written to say the most ludicrous things to Marinette -- things like proclaiming that Marinette is one of the best Ladybugs of all time. If Tikki was more realistic with Marinette -- like when she chastises Marinette for abusing her Miraculous responsibilities in The Bubbler -- then I would have an easier time watching this show with its flawed main character. I agree with the idea that it's important to have a character with flaws, but it is equally important to make sure that the impressionable audience is thoroughly aware of the wrongness of particular traits or decisions. I would dare to say that the writing in CopyCat and Reflekdoll spreads a message to an impressionable audience that its okay -- even admirable -- for girls to insult boys simply because sexism exists in general.

[@catclipshorts]

agree with you completely

[@cozholly193]

I don't like Marinette as a character because she always gets the spotlight, something I've realized after re-watching season 1 is that chat was used a lot more back then in episodes like Lady wifi he was crucial in defeating the villain as aposed to season 3 where he doesn't do much and is often more of a hinderance than a help. As a girl myself I love the fact that the main character is a girl and that she takes the lead, I just wish her partner, her so called equal was given a chance to shine.

[@reo5448]

you should do a vid about the other characters like alya or luka or alyas bf i forgot the name of

[@luxalaney1089]

"..someone to vent to" But that's not how it works!

[@90lancaster]

Ladybug & Cat Noir rarely speak on this show outside of Akuma battles or other staged events or personal appearances. She's actually pretty rude to him when he tries to spend any time with her outside of a battle for any reason, It wasn't until season 3 she even stopped long enough to have an icecream with him.

[@luxalaney1089]

@@90lancaster I don't think you got the joke

[@90lancaster]

@@luxalaney1089 I don't think her dismissing him is supposed to be funny - she does that as she has Adrien in her eyes sure - but that is a completely different issue from having a productive working relationship with Cat Noir, or taking time to "bond" and socialise or even to discuss Hawkmoth theories. - they don't do "Patrol" so they don't interact outside of stressful situations - I think in a way I can not really classify them as friends at all. & her stated desire to need him seems more like a selfish desire to have her validation kitty who worships her, and her meatshield to take the hits for her. That it does show any genuine respect, admiration, regard or friendship for him - no matter how many time she calls him "My Kitty" it comes across more like she's stringing him along - just like she is Luka (also her Validation tool), she has chronic self doubt so she uses people - it kinda sucks to be honest.

[@luxalaney1089]

@@90lancaster THE JOKE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MIRACULOUS!

[@90lancaster]

@@luxalaney1089 Then Please enlighten me.

[@Andhavetogo123]

Ok off topic but like you know the episode where the actual creater comes and introduces an anime version of ladybug and chat noir? It use to actually be an anime before the actual show and it actually shows their real identity and marrinete transforming . Sooo.. when everyone goes and sits down to watch the show.... OMG 😳😳😳😳😳😳

[@Sailorofskies]

Stalker behaviour aside I don't think she has any major flaws. I would love if she showed more interest in her culture and maybe if they let her get akumatised or gave her a small bit more depth but those are normal critism. The stalkerish behavior is really not okay though the writers need to stop.

[@marinetteagreste561]

I agree with you. For me the only flaw she has is she stalks Adrien which should really be stopped by the writers. Other than that she is always there for everyone when they need her and actually helps Adrien when needs help. And I am happy that she was able to go of Adrien at the end of S3. Though S3 finale broke my heart at least her obsession decreased a bit.

[@rodolfocatalan4228]

She's probably important because she has the ladybug miraculous and witout that miraculous they won't be able to deevilize the akumas

[@lovesage866]

idk maybe it’s because she’s the only one who can capture and purify an akuma