Why lockdowns are the wrong policy: Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke

Freddie sayers meets Prof. Johan Giesecke.
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In an extraordinary interview with UnHerd, Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based, and much more.
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[@anonjan82]

This interview is one for the history books. Two years later I am wachting it again. Brilliant.

[@user-mv6he6gl8m]

Watching again in 2023. This guy had it right. No nation did.

[@PVflying]

Thank God for an interviewer who asks intelligent questions and reacts to what the interviewee said, when deciding the next Q to pose. Quite a difference to the TV news where the interviewer is following the direction of an editor in their earpiece and simply trying to start an argument to win ratings. Channel 4, ITV and BBC news editors and presenters should watch this video to find out what an interview should be. 👍👍

[@OneDigitalSoul]

Couldn’t agree more. I hope this channel takes off. Interesting interviews I’ve watched so far. Good luck to them.

[@sashman02]

Different formats. The nature of TV news means you've to get to the important information in a few minutes. One point that I wanted further explanation for was how he came to 50% of people already having it. Good interview though.

[@aveekchakraborty2618]

AGREED!

[@johanponken]

@@sashman02 I think he reasons just like me: as the transfer rate is extremely high (he mentions this about it being very different from flu, 2.5-5, meaning every infected person transmits it to that many more persons), and that we know few non-elderly people even get the sniffles from it, that's a good ballpark figure. I'm Swedish so I've seen some more interviews with him. They are a joy to watch :)

[@threespoogesinc.3995]

@@johanponken don't you understand that the transfer rate will depend a lot on the measures taken? Also maybe you should try to think critically when listening to Giesecke, what he's saying about the comparison to neighboring countries is flat out lies, cope and misinformation. Also what you're saying about few non-elderly people even get the sniffles from it is just wrong.

[@Merlin3189]

I don't know who this interviewer is, but I join the rest in praising him. At the end I knew a lot about what Prof Gieseke thinks and little about what the interviewer thinks. This is the exact opposite of how I feel at the end of a typical media interview, including the BBC.

[@alyssahubbell5160]

Merlin3189 Wow. American media is totally SUCKING too. Since most major outlets are owned by six mega corporations I truly worry something is up.

[@1990-t1j]

@@alyssahubbell5160 Good point, Alyssa.

[@agenthex]

Any decent interviewer or thinker would ask him how he derived a 0.1% death rate when 0.15% of NYC and 0.12% of stockholm is already dead. This guy can't even do basic arithmetic, which is rather important for the audience to know.

[@Merlin3189]

@@agenthex I hadn't noticed that specific point. I'm not sure I agree that it is the interviewers job to do that sort of analysis on the fly during an interview. The point I felt important, is that I got to know what Prof Giesecke thought, uncontaminated by the interviewer's views. Death rates are a good example of why I want this style of interview. They vary a lot between countries. No one knows why. Demographics is an obvious reason, but doesn't seem to fit the facts. Different reporting protocols might play a part. There is no point in an interviewer challenging such details, unless they have much stronger grounds, perhaps in a year or twos time!. Maybe prof Giesecke would have had his opinion about the differences, maybe not. But no interviewer could have got to the bottom of it, only aired their own prdjudices. I'm glad Freddie Sayers doesn't do that. I get more than enough of that from the BBC.

[@agenthex]

@@Merlin3189 The crux of herd immunity is predicated on IFR death rate. If it's too high it's obviously folly. That's why supporters of the policy have to proclaim absurdly low rates like 0.1% which is literally that of the flu. And clearly this isn't the flu. If you just allow the interviewee to make absurd claims, what's the point unless it's to mislead viewers. This isn't comedy entertainment.

[@andym9571]

This interview defines covid-19 for me. I've had a Swedish flag flying in my garden since week 2 of lockdown. Such an incredible, brave and confident thing for one country to do when everyone else is doing something different. The BBC should have been doing this type of interview. They haven't. Thanks Freddie for your informative interviews throughout this.

[@davidmoulton1991]

Sweden! Sweden!!

[@davidmoulton1991]

@SuperSaiyan4Broly I'm a leftist and find it baffling how the comrades are castigating what used to be one of our model countries precisely at its moment of greatest glory.

[@freedeliveryprinting3100]

BBC?....Not a chance....Bill Gates contributes much $$$ to the BBC.,,,...When ya can't convince corporations of your "Noble" intentions then you bribe them....That is the gates modus operandi

[@tuchilife8251]

@SuperSaiyan4Broly It baffles me how you look at Sweden that has five times the death rate of Denmark and ten times the death rate of Poland and go "Great job". I´m Swedish and can tell you that if Anders Tegnell was in charge of the response in any bigger and more densely populated country the death toll would be astronomical. He´s lucky that the Swedish population is a bit spread out and listen to the government so even recommendations were followed. This is far more complicated and it would be great if people stopped pretending they are experts.

[@harryf1ashman]

@@tuchilife8251 Giesecke admitted that they got their policy around care homes completely wrong. From what I am reading the Swedish care homes were told not to send suffers to hospital for fear of flooding the system. . This is not the fault of the Swedish policy but the fault of those who actively promoted this virus to the state of new black death thereby creating unnecessary panic. A targeted lockdown centered around the vulnerable was the way to go. Now we have had 6 months of this nonsense and have achieved absolutely nothing. Infections rates are now almost back to where they were but death rates remain low and yet the authorities are set to repeat the exact same mistake.

[@silkedavid8876]

I love how Prof. Giesecke is giving one word answers, and does not brabble like politicians. As a German I love his plain speaking.

[@willgeorge5644]

Unherd has one with a German prof, much better

[@hallelujah8141]

@Silke David - I totally agree. His lovely calm demeanour and concise responses are very refreshing; and the interviewer too is very easy on the ear and actually allows the Dr to speak. Very informative interview... Many thanks to all concerned

[@hallelujah8141]

@Joe Cool - Yes, but apparently, it'll be roughly the same proportion everywhere eventually... One of the reasons for higher mortality is that their nursing homes are very large and have up to 100 people in them, so naturally, viruses will spread to more people more quickly. Part of the reason for this is that because their immune systems are compromised, due to them not getting out and 'exercising' it, ie by coming into contact with other germs by shaking hands with others and other normal interactions, the elderly are also more susceptible to every virus. In places where the N/homes are much smaller, they can 'contain' things easier. Did you listen to any vids by the Bakersfield Drs/Dan Erikson? He explains it very clearly & concisely... 😊💙

[@BritishJamaican777]

as a Jamaican I love his plain speaking too. stay safe :-)

[@biah1801]

@Joe Cool You're right! Some say it's a clusterdisease and therefore there's no immunity. They're playing with our lives.

[@parlbesatt]

What a delight to watch, with an intelligent and respectful interviewer, and the straightforward no BS professor. Lovely!

[@davidmccarter9479]

Imagine having to go to Sweden to get someone to speak in plain English. Very enlightening.

[@harrykays8193]

Wow well said Fauci talks like he's on SNL

[@simonlevett4776]

Amusing reply David, but you're quite right.

[@YevhenCoUkraine]

It's been almost year. Who's also looking forward to see the second part of their conversation as they agreed?

[@meymeyghetti1328]

If you click on the website name "UnHerd" just above the description of this video, you will see the 2nd part listed: "Johan Giesecke one year on: did Sweden succeed?" dated April 16, 2021.

[@YevhenCoUkraine]

@@meymeyghetti1328 thanks I watched the second part and enjoed Guesecke's honest answers

[@meymeyghetti1328]

@@YevhenCoUkraine Glad to hear it. I don't know if you're interested, but the following interviews from 2020 and 2021 with virologist Dr. Hakim Djallabah also provide food for thought in my view: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZKmc6KZbLpqbqs kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHeTl3SNg9yojpY kzbin.info/www/bejne/goellGpjicqSr6M

[@jmwoods190]

@@meymeyghetti1328 Whereas the sequel of Null Ferguson's interview is nowhere to be seen even to this day, even though Freddie tried to reach out to him again!

[@ikarosouza9505]

i just love how this sweet old sweed man answers the questions as simply as possible, going straight to the point, no bullshit, being as honest as he can. LOVE IT

[@smitmiras]

Swedish people are really honest and cold but in a warm way :) Like if you ask them for the time, they wont smile all the time, but they will tell you the time :P I love the Swedish mentality in general.

[@kirschkern8260]

Its war ,usa attacks China by Economic. All Consumers are stop or slowed down. Chinas income is stoped. Its an economic attack performed by USA. THE Virus19 is weak. Covid19 is weak, not dangerouse. Covid19 is just used as a reason to control people.

[@ikarosouza9505]

@@kirschkern8260 the fuck you're talking about? i was just complimenting the sweet sweed

[@Kretain]

@Erik Lerström bullshit, our schools are packed to the gills, our hospitals are almost broken down, and we have no military. The immigrants that have moved to Sweden have been a drain in the economy, 60% of the welfare goes to immigrants (as of the last count wich was around 2016, no idea what the number looks like now). Immigration has been a non-stop negative on Swedish society, since the start. "BUT THEY ARE DOCTORS AND NURSES!" Not really, feel free to try to find the stats on how many doctors/nurses are foreign born vs Swedish born. Good luck, the government refuses to publish those numbers.

[@maylinn4068]

Kretain er du svensk ?

[@mrhat7531]

I love how straightforward his answers are!

[@swikaharra]

Really? Are you as North American by birth? If so that is how in the other part of the word people communicate, here they keep telling people byo speak your mind be assertive...be clear ...and then you get those nice pre-made answers ...even in a job interview you will get your feedback right away...here you never get a strait truthful answer

[@veaterecosan5636]

@@swikaharra 'Straight' I think you meant. Although we are in 'straits' at the moment and I suppose 'social distancing' could be one - i.e. 'a narrow space between two points'. He He

[@swikaharra]

@@veaterecosan5636 yep straight, my phone does its own autocorrect

[@veaterecosan5636]

@@swikaharra You are definitely auto-corrected. lol

[@dtz1000]

Yes, Professor Death is very straightforward in his answers and Swedes are too cowardly or too trusting to challenge people like him.

[@michstockholm1164]

This kind of professor is the reason I chose to live in Sweden. Dry logic and calming sanity. If only more younger Swedes were like that. Listen how many times this epidemiologist mentions the importance of psychology, the necessity to continue living in a free society (implied) and democracy! Once upon a time people gladly give their lives for the right of fair treatment, freedom and the right to participate in political decisions. How come no one mentions them now? How come we need an epidemiologist to reminds us of that?! Being able to make your own decisions about your own life has a value! Freedom has a huge value for most humans! Not only for the trade and the economy! It is amazing to me that we now need a doctor to champion that for us!

[@newyorkcat]

I wonder to what extent three months of living in almost total darkness (then later 3 mos of sunshine) has to do with the peculiar Swedish perspective. Incomprehensible culture when you look a the Big Picture, but this guy sounds quite reasonable.

[@mariaamroussi6142]

YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

[@sirdetmist3204]

But then people like Greta Thunberg exists.

[@undervalueds]

Sweden got it wrong www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&fbclid=IwAR3DPqpkJV_HubYAcuYG3VH6Rs7R4OWcJG6_IfV2x9_XCVV7R-Mo2fjud8g

[@kristofdevuyst2184]

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/man-behind-sweden-s-virus-strategy-says-he-got-some-things-wrong Man Behind Sweden’s Controversial Virus Strategy Admits Mistakes

[@alexsintonen8234]

And when you add up lockdown domestic violence, alcohol related deaths, suicides after losing homes, jobs and loss of necessary supplies like food production and wrecked ecomomy etc.

[@justcallmebrian793]

At the cost of other people lives. Great

[@ronaldgarrison8478]

What's going to cause suicides is people talking megatonnes of shit to each other over this, instead of the intelligent conversations we need to be having, in the spirit of problem-solving.

[@roma8374]

There are far less deaths with the lockdown as there are less traffic accidents less accidents from work related injury or from the transmission of other diseases.

[@LM-hb6yn]

Plus it is a scientific fact that as the worldwide GDP rises, so does the life expectancy of millions who have been lifted out of poverty. If you crash the GDP, the reverse is true... you'll plunge millions back into poverty, reducing their life expectancy.

[@hakanpetersson2662]

The GDP will crash even without a lockdown simply because many individuals will not take the risk of either getting very ill or infecting someone else. As long as the disease is spreading people will not dare invest in the future like they used to do.

[@DaveDeRhodes]

I hope this video doesn't get removed by YT as we've seen occur to Dr. Erickson and his partner over in California who were saying the same thing. They had 5 million views.

[@caroljoy839]

It can then be moved to Brighteon.com, where so many really excellent but "controversial" videos end up? (Sad that in this day and age., telling the Truth is controversial.)

[@deleder2k]

They didn’t say the same thing, they said a lot of statements that are false. Giesecke on the other hand bases his arguments on reality.

[@draoicht22]

@@deleder2k what exactly was false? And your proof? If you cant explain yourself, no ones listening to you:)

[@lafemmelaMon]

well its gone

[@onepalproductions]

@@lafemmelaMon The important segments of what Dr Erickson said are on my channel.

[@rasmusnilsson123]

Best interviewer ive seen so far in this crisis.

[@salorion3011]

That was one of the best interviews and talks about anything that I have ever seen. So intelligent and measured and real. No agendas or ulterior motives. Just practical reasoning.

[@kirschkern8260]

Its war ,usa attacks China by Economic. All Consumers are stop or slowed down. Chinas income is stoped. Its an economic attack performed by USA. THE Virus19 is weak. Covid19 is weak, not dangerouse. Covid19 is just used as a reason to control people.

[@waynebow-gu7wr]

Here's another similar interview...Perspectives on the Pandemic | Professor Knut Wittkowski | Episode 2 kzbin.info/www/bejne/onimZqZ9md9nock

[@Patryk....]

@@waynebow-gu7wr thanks bro

[@Total1Now]

Yes the world needs to learn a LOT from Scandinavia

[@peetsnort]

I am Swedish and my grandmother told me that the mothers in Sweden put babies outside in sub zero temperature and wrap up well and they are very healthy children. You can see that today when the mothers sit in the coffee shop and the babies happily breathing clean cold air.

[@dianak9520]

I wonder why this interview is not in the news : very intelligent, sophisticated. So much needed for people to hear!

[@KurtHite]

because it does not give into fear

[@dianak9520]

@@KurtHite I don't think even politicians (at least in the UK) have an idea how to behave in this situation. They run like headless chickens

[@smartfart9003]

Because it doesn't fit the narrative. There is clearly an agenda in place. I spoke to a surgeon last week and both he and his colleagues, the majority of them, disagree strongly with what's going on. They want herd immunity. Cant get that in quarantine.

[@dianak9520]

@@smartfart9003 so why them who know truth aren't talking openly? It can be said out loud, same way as it said in this interview: openly, respectfully, with knowledge of the subject. I heard from few doctors and nurses the same as you say: no one is happy of what is going on. So, why not saying anything?

[@smartfart9003]

@@dianak9520 Because if the establishment has a specific protocol and it's not followed, people get fired. One doctor had publicly stepped down from his position because he knew the ventilator settings were killing people, but the established protocol remained the same, despite other doctors agreeing with him. They will use the excuse of "liability" to keep doing what they're doing. When that kind of closed mindedness exists, theres always an underlying agenda, and it always has something to do with money or politics or both.

[@Lewisevans1618]

Well done Sweden. A country that realised business liquidation, poverty and declining mental health would be the killer. It seems the majority of people enjoy the drama and hysteria.

[@vejjan]

romeas10 och 9150 i Belgien, men det spelar ingen roll för det är helt meningslöst att jämföra siffror nu ändå

[@mariajw4803]

@@vejjan Få länder har fler döda per capita än Sverige i världen. 7 st. Döda per capita per dag är vi världsledande i nuförtiden.

[@Culterin]

@@mariajw4803 Japp smart att jämföra döda per capita när alla länder kör med olika räkningsstrategier

[@mariajw4803]

@@Culterin om det känns bättre för dig att tänka så, så varsågod. Skillnaderna mellan dem Sverige och de flesta länder är ändå enorm. Du kan ju jämföra hur många som dör i Sverige mot Norge, Sydkorea, Hong Kong eller Nya Zeeland.

[@coachali5261]

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/24/sweden-wrong-not-to-shut-down-says-former-state-epidemiologist

[@morongovalley940]

I would really like to see a follow up interview to this.

[@jdtoothnail]

They agreed to do a follow up on April 17, 2021, so stay tuned.

[@glicmathan1771]

Me too. He was completely correct in hindsight. In fact the most draconian measures have generally resulted in worse outcomes. I’m so glad I tuned into unherd from the beginning. It’s great to rewatch these now.

[@MsEnelin]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmGUaK2EmpyimNE

[@Paul__108__]

Definitely didn’t age well. Norway’s economy wasn’t much worse but they saved so many lives compared with Sweden.

[@percyfaith11]

@@Paul__108__ exactly right

[@avail1.]

Bankrupting 30 million people in US alone, causes greater alcohol, drug use, domestic home physical abuses, scaring/bullying people to stay in and away from others is bad for health, instead of being outside exercising...

[@Parbruek]

Poverty is also pretty horrible for one's life expectancy.

[@jesuschristislord77733]

Poverty kills more people than any virus.

[@orpheusowlallearthlingsmat6076]

And think of the children's minds this is warping forever with fear, told they cannot go to school, cannot touch or hug or play with their friends, must wear a suffocating mask everywhere and live in fear of a "killer virus" forever.

[@stellaanon9841]

ORPHEUS OWL Rebellious Earthling Exactly! The psychological damage resulting from the actions taken towards this virus will be immense and devastating. Worse than the virus itself. It's shocking that this hasn't been taken into consideration. Absolutely shocking!

[@willgeorge5644]

@@jesuschristislord77733 yes, but weather to eliminate it or not you still have effects on economy.

[@markhutton6055]

In the UK an estimated 250k cancer diagnosis have been missed. That is to say that a quarter of a million fewer diagnosis have been made during lockdown than in previous years.

[@marcelcorbeanu]

The interviewer is amazing, indeed. Great questions. We are grateful for such an interview and to have such a respected person interviewed. Thank you.

[@argh2945]

Funnily enough the interviewer is himself half Swedish

[@Fuzcapp]

The problem for most countries now, is we will get a double dose of pain - the pain of the inevitable ongoing deaths from infection across a longer period of time across various waves of co-vid, plus we now have all the pain that the lockdown has caused - depression-levels of unemployment, rampant alcoholism, domestic abuse, various addictions spiking, mental health morbidity spikes, suicides, family breakdown and so on.

[@Drake00000010]

They say in tragic times, people get closer. Perhaps we will all get together and come out of this stronger.

[@zTheBigFishz]

And as the doctor mentioned there will be pressure on any measures that see a rise in death rates. Who will have the political will to push through inevitable spikes in deaths? Seems like once you lock down then you have trapped yourself.

[@martinmatte7597]

@@zTheBigFishz 100% agree.

[@gfree8037]

yes, they will.

[@GHE-bv1pf]

@@zTheBigFishz Yes, this is very true. It is going to be very difficult to open it up right away politically. They will probably do it gradually

[@whatchaknowe]

People also have to keep in mind that the numbers have been inflated in some countries. Thank you Dr. Giescke for informing us. You and the interviewer are a breath of fresh air. It would be nice if we had more people like you in my country. I am so sick of the rhetoric drama and being lied to about Covid as well as other issues.

[@andym9571]

Experience. This is a man who has had experience. He relied on his knowledge and a gut feeling when we locked down because of computer programming ( Fergusson ) and Media pressure. The confidence that Sweden has shown to go it alone has been impressive. Can you imagine the media here if we had done the same ? Piers Morgan would have gone into meltdown.

[@Razormiller]

Why do you assume he is telling the truth but others were lying to you??? You just choose to believe him because you like his POV on it www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

[@leonard68]

I would like to thank Anders Tegnell and Johan Giesecke for having the strength and integrity to resist the mob of screaming lock down hysterics - many of whom were professors. Most people who died of Covid in Sweden were old and most of those old people in nursing homes were super-exposed by helpers who were paid by the hour and did not dare to report sick because then they might risk their employment. Thanks to Anders and Johan Sweden was a very livable place as opposed to other parts of Europe who suffered needlessly from lockdow. The lockdown hysterics were supported by intellectually and morally defunct main stream media.

[@kathybrady4033]

This is what happened in the US nursing homes. Staff brought in nearly 100% of cases. Then even if no one got sick they would shut the dementia patients alone in their rooms for 14 days and block family. Open up. Rinse. Repeat. Would have made FAR more sense to ask staff to stay in a secure place like a hotel room between shifts, paying them quadruple, literally saving the economy trillions and saving 1 million lives.

[@margaretmaeda2548]

Best interview I’ve heard so far. (Love his dry humor.) Most intelligent interviewer too. The questions are straightforward and important.

[@gunnarMyTube]

It is one of the more remarkable conversations I remember from all of the Covid-19 related material that pass before us.

[@djanitatiana]

The interviewer was great but the epidemiologist is a political hack, horribly uninformed about the disease, lied during this interview to exculpate Sweden's actions, and bears a responsibility in the unnecessary death of Swedes.

[@Engman78]

@@djanitatiana uninformed? What makes you say that? Please explain what the professor was uninformed about.

[@TechTins_Projects]

I think you maybe uninformed yourself. The results are pretty much clear already. Compared to UK (on their own government reported figures) the Swedish covid death rate is much lower. So lockdown in UK has been pointless. Look at the log graph plots of Sweden and UK death rates (Tested positives against deaths) the shape of the graphs show exact same trend. So that tells you with almost certainty the lockdown in UK was totally ineffective. Go look at the graphs before replying. Make sure to view data in logarithmic views as linear plots won't show you the growth trend. In fact the graph plots of all nations show this same pattern. So all lockdowns have been ineffectual. Go look for yourself. Why politicians are not seeing this is either because they have an agenda or they are simply not getting intelligent advice. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[@djanitatiana]

@@TechTins_Projects Appreciate the graph reading tips but having a background in medical science so I'm good thanks. Crude death rate of UK to SWE is 13.3%;10.7% so not "much lower", and not enough to make any valid comparison, Also, cherrypicking the UK with it 's much higher population and migration mobility is apples to oranges. Plus it's accepted that the UK locked down it's population well after urgent leading medical advocacy to do so. A much more pertinent apples-to-apples graph is shown here: ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19?year=2020-04-19&time=2020-03-11..&country=DNK+FIN+NOR+POL+SWE This shows clearly the effect on mortality of Denmark, Finland, Poland and Norway's effective social distancing policies compared to Sweden's lax approach. And yes, in log mode you can see that Denmark, Finland and Norways efforts have aprreciably arrested the growth rate while Poland's is closer to Sweden's. While UK's lockdown hasn't been as effective you don't have a control to compare what it would have looked like without it. Given the effectiveness of lockdown in Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand and South Korea compared to the failure of non-lockdown Japan to significantly arrest their growth rate evidence has empirically demonstrated it's efficiency as the modelling said it would. I agree,all politicians have an agenda, but the world's medical services, organisations, frontline doctors and epidemiologists are overwhelmingly concerned with patient health and public safety. They almost universally - with the exception of outliers like this guy - insist on high level social distancing.

[@danpos1]

This is what fearless reasoning looks like. Something we're not used to seeing recently. Personally, I find it calming, and allows me to think more clearly. Thank you

[@Blobyclem]

He's definitely a respectable man and his opinion is very interesting However what is saying is not completely true. For example, he's stating that the lethality of the virus is of 0.1% without any evidences. Spain showed evidences that its lethality ratio is closer than 1.5%, huge difference. It's great to have this fearless confidence, but from the moment you are saying incorrect statements it can quickly turn to arrogance.

[@danpos1]

@@Blobyclem Spain has no clue how many people have or have had the virus. I had all the symptoms 2 months ago, high fever, dry cough, loss of smell, taste. I called the Covid19 hot line and was told, no possible testing for anyone other than hospital workers. I rode it out at home. I personally have heard a hundred or more similar stories. Multiply my story by the population of Spain and you will come to the conclusion that the death rate numbers may be known (people dying with the disease), but the number of infections could easily be 50 times the 'confirmed' number, therefore making his figure of 0.1% much more believable. All this will come to light in good time, you will see

[@Blobyclem]

​@@danpos1 Spain has good clues about how many people were infected because they just did (still ongoing) an antibody study with sample of 60 000 people. This is way more reliable than the swedish data so far.

[@jomurphy8034]

If your thought is, 'yes, I might die, but that's ok'...

[@danpos1]

@@jomurphy8034 There is no 'might' about it. I am going to die (at some point), and that is ok. I live everyday with this reasoning, it's what allows me to live this life to the full. I take risk, I fly Paramotors and aeroplanes, ride fast motorbikes, I contract the odd virus and recover (virtually all of us do), I love, hug, kiss and so many other things that I define as the essence of human living. I can tell you for sure, no unfortunate, fear filled person, or ego and agenda driven politician will ever change my outlook or behaviour. I have zero fear of dying and whatever follows, but I do have a fear of unfounded fear. It's a prison of your choosing.

[@pauliahonen4970]

Very big balls to not start panicking like in other countries 👍 Greetings from Finland.

[@HansenSWE]

You know what would have been cool, though? If we could just open up a mountain and get all kinds of emergency stuff, like you guys did. :-)

[@huhummmmmmm]

@@HansenSWE I wouldn't be too loud on "like you guys did". Particularly when it involved dodgy masks from china, a reality tv star and a broke paylender. At least the respective agency head resigned. The stockpile is clearly a good idea however. Don't know what Pauli is talking about regarding balls and panic. The actual panicing people on the world scene are the hyper masculine populists á la Trump, Bolsonaro etc., ofc the former panicing for his reelection and not the lives of citizens. The fatalities per capita between Finland and Sweden also speak differently, ~270 deaths in .fi at 5.5M inhabitants vs over 3200 in .se at close to 10.1M inhabitants at the time of writing (WHO stats), where Finland followed the more restrictive route and e.g. home office use went up very quickly. So I guess that couldn't have been meant either.

[@serpentines6356]

@huhummmmmm....I completely disagree. Trump didn't panic. And I don't think he's panicking now. His instincts were initially correct in wanting to keep the economy going. It's the wussie, tyrannical Dem Gov's that worry me. They don't care about all the people suffering, needing to open up business, and get some life back.

[@pauliahonen4970]

@@huhummmmmmm Well obviously there is a huge price to pay to save these lives. The governments don't have the money regardless of what they claim. We just opened schools in Finland, let's see what happens. What i have seen from Trump, has been quite good as well.

[@huhummmmmmm]

@@pauliahonen4970 Ridculous. What was good? The Light and disinfectant? The months of it's just a flu? That guy made an even bigger fool of himself than usually and now he goes full on "screw everyone, noone will remember the deaths, gotta get them businesses up for them donors before the election" while some armed up morons organized by Trumps campaigners do "demonstrations" and then go back to their backwoods infecting more people there. And of course in the meantime he blames everyone but himself for the shittery he causes.

[@artiefischel2579]

What are other risks for young people? Losing democracy.

[@stephenjlewis1976]

Artie Fischel bingo

[@Hippokrates9]

Artie not just for young people...losing democracy hurts us all regardless of age.

[@somethingbrite8484]

Your democracy is not threatened by having to temporarily make changes to your behaviour during a time of crisis, get a fucking grip of yourselves.

[@stephenjlewis1976]

@@somethingbrite8484 temporarily no.

[@artiefischel2579]

@@somethingbrite8484 That's what they say... every time they want you to let go of your democracy. We've been through far worse than this without relinquishing our freedoms, so why is this time special? Answer: it's not. It's just an opportunity for the power hungry to take advantage.

[@techtipsuk]

We desperately need to start hearing these types of opinions in the mass media. The thing that scares me is how much support there is for it. Cheers Prof

[@mafmaf82]

Richard Dale I had no idea how many people could be so easily convinced to support authoritarianism until this pandemic happened. I’m disgusted. I don’t know how we ever built a free society in the first place.

[@MrTenom]

@@mafmaf82 May be free thinkers but never a free society

[@criticalcritic4287]

You will never hear it on the compromised MSmedia. The "lockdowns" are purposeful destruction of the USA and other Nations by infiltrators supporting the UNs goals....under the pretext of this virus HYPE. These criminals all need brought to justice! Here are some blunt accusations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKXQoYCOprZ1m7c Help build lawsuits!

[@ambagold1866]

We never have done.

[@delta-KaeBee]

yeah well never hear this on MSM until they are divorced from the "BIG 6" companies/corps, and are re-made by REAL journalists that share ALL opinions, and not passing on the torch of BS propaganda nonsense that only benefits the Elite, the companies, and those in power. HOPEFULLY that will be a change we will see in our near future. wwg1wga +In Love&Light

[@thomaskrummer8537]

Notwithstanding the subject of the interview: Kudos to the interviewer, he navigates so well, so professional, yet sensitive, guiding the direction of the interview takes without forcing it, delightful to view.

[@Keepitgoinging]

I agree he was very impressive. He had no agenda. He had nobody pulling his string.

[@jamminjim247]

I agree, but with far less passion. I was a bit put off when he asked the man to say what his prediction was on the death toll. As a matter of fact more than twice. What was beautiful to watch, was the eloquence of how the man navigated through those with grace.

[@pod5ktv]

Don Lemon could take a few lessons from this interviewer 😝

[@Holeysocks464]

Wow someone who answers questions with a simple yep, yes or no, how refreshing.

[@larstenfaelt1859]

He and his colleagues are on our TV every day in news cast, morning TV and press conferences answering the questions in similar manner. No politicians. The politicians are taking an implementation role based on advice from the experts in the agencies. This is why we trust the system and can have voluntary measures as we see our role and are very cautions. A good example was the trips during Easter. Almost no people traveled as they were asked not to and people understood! We are adults!

[@zencat55]

@@larstenfaelt1859 and you can avoid explaining the science behind your beliefs in depth

[@kirschkern8260]

Its war ,usa attacks China by Economic. All Consumers are stop or slowed down. Chinas income is stoped. Its an economic attack performed by USA. THE Virus19 is weak. Covid19 is weak, not dangerouse. Covid19 is just used as a reason to control people.

[@Escape-from-Hell666]

Bless him, he is full of shit, but he believes it. Sweden is in deep shit. Compare them to the other Nordic countries and you will see the difference. This guy is about as stupid a Trump

[@rudimwongozi9412]

@@Escape-from-Hell666 he's not full of shit. He's giving a different narrative than the media and ruling class so you say he's stupid because you don't know what else to say about someone who has the temerity to hold beliefs counter to what you have been propogandized to believe.

[@Loomofthefruit-s]

Going back to this interview. Really shows that their strategy worked

[@powertothepeople3832]

Science before propaganda and fascism! Sweden is the place to live!

[@sondancewellness5215]

Christian Hellstrom they have micro chipping parties, not so sure about that...

[@TheJimbo1791]

Finland as well! Yeah!

[@Razormiller]

Hope you didnt move to Sweden www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021 ... looks like you fell for the propaganda !!

[@simonlevett4776]

@@Razormiller What propaganda ?

[@hansludwig4732]

This is a true Swede! Not a word too much 😂 I lived there in the 60ies. First thinking things through and then act without panicking 🙏

[@Valkonnen]

Yeah, they're a barrel of laughs up there...LOL

[@hansludwig4732]

Valkonnen Not so much when lined up to buy some alcohol at Systembolaget. Laughing there means check of identity because they think people who laugh MUST be DRUNK🤪

[@dracopticon7788]

@@Valkonnen We like to practice "First thinking things through and then" laugh when it's actually something fun.

[@Valkonnen]

@@dracopticon7788 Who doesn't laugh unless something is funny? You Scandinavians are simply colder than Americans. More reserved and thus BORING as hell. Refined is one thing, but repressed is another.

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

Valkonnen : I’m American Scandinavian and I can say that yes they are more reserved but not particularly boring. Some of the funniest ones are from there. There’s a distinction of being super outgoing.

[@jaimekopstein4248]

Inteligent questions and replies. A relief that the interviewer was not politically biased.

[@sylvanmoir4094]

this is why I want to get the virus as quickly as possible. I have vit c, melatonin, propolis, andrographis panniculata, artemisia annua etc -successfully used by doctors. So my risk is not that great of dying I would think, then I should be immune and non-contagious. This seems a very sensible policy to me, as at least it provides a way forward when faced by what this man describes as the tsunami that has to cross Europe now. ( I am not recommending this for anyone else, just to be clear).

[@lolitacooksley7909]

Looking back at this it’s clear that lockdown was the wrong approach.

[@willgeorge5644]

Lolita Cooksley, " Looking back at this it’s clear that lockdown was the wrong approach", Hmm, 15,000 dead without a lockdown, NZ 26 dead with a 4 week lockdown... Would you really think that's better?

[@timothy_h-IDN]

Lockdown is only reserved when healthcare facilities are full and contact tracing is not possible. Indonesia's model

[@willgeorge5644]

@@timothy_h-IDN "Lockdown is only reserved", to put it another way, NZ has lockdown when there is a case in the community that they cannot link to a known case. in my area we ave had lockdown twice, and 547 days of freedom between. But now they have been experimenting, seeing what they can get away with and it's got into a secion of the community that don't trust them and don't obey the rules. All cases are within a few km of each other in Auckland and only Auckland is in lockdown.

[@stacyliddell5038]

@@willgeorge5644 New Zealand is an Island to be fair.

[@willgeorge5644]

@@stacyliddell5038 "New Zealand is an Island to be fair", Similar size to Britain and Japan. Now, NZ government has abandoned this "elimination" statergy, allowed covid in and did not restrict it. Theory was vaccines will work and we can open up, allow travel more freely and we will have more freedom. It's not looking good, vaccine passports for most things. much LESS freddom!

[@Niko5black]

Love the way he just says ..yes or no......

[@markmolloy1497]

I notice that with Swedish people. Very admirable!

[@stephenjohnson2800]

D S . Very refreshing. No attempt to avoid the question.

[@shraddashradda]

D S very Swedish...and high level integrity with Swedish people

[@DangerDan]

And by that he rules out scientificly neccessary uncertainty when it comes to evaluate data against reality completely.

[@MrChefjanvier]

@@DangerDan Following your line of reasoning all MDs should never answer YES/NO to any question unless there is a rotting corpse on the table for at least 5 days... when he answers Yes/No he is clearly giving his opinion of the best general direction you can expect - healthcare is hardly a binary 1/0 subject is it?

[@TasteBudJunkie]

This professor is so calm.. not a single F is given 😂😂😂😂

[@gregorythompson5334]

Years of experience, data and facts. Excellent interview.

[@coolbian513]

@Be Frank was ur mom one of them?

[@philwilson609]

He is a bloodless, soulless bureaucrat, and one of the last people on earth that anyone wants to have authority over pandemic response. BTW, the death rate in Sweden is 3 times higher than the next closest Scandinavian nation. If you look at the nearby Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, Lithuania, or the proximal Northern European countries of Poland and Germany, you are looking at countries with even vastly lower COVID rates than those in Scandinavia. If you want to believe this robot when he says that all nations will have the same death rate over time, and that responses are irrelevant, he is right. In a century, we'll all be dead.

[@aesfa56]

@@nilgor70 Yes I would listen to any professor with lots of experience, BUT/EXCEPT this one. His body language tells me all I want to know about him. DO NOT TRUST HIM.

[@cfvgd]

Its common in sweden when most of them is driven by propaganda and political agenda.

[@timmcgrath9708]

Hang on....why isn't the interviewer interrupting and advocating his beliefs??

[@sduncanfoto]

thank God right. He's non biased and not promoting an agenda .

[@MrJamberee]

Why was there no phony fact checking? No accusatory questions? No carefully worded gotcha questions?

[@mandsc4120]

😂

[@onerider808]

LOL, he’d never make it in the US with that type of unbiased, information-seeking attitude

[@dineshbora8395]

Cause it's not BBC

[@JohnBarnwell888]

He's talking about the failings of the report from Imperial College London that was never peer-reviewed.

[@slaydesaid8741]

This was an extremely interesting interview. Great job by the interviewer and some very interesting points made by Prof. Johan Giesecke.

[@ecchen1]

Very flawed math. If fatality rate is the same as the flu, 0.1% then 12 million New York City residents already have the virus, since 12k have died from COVID-19. NYC has a population of 8.5 million. See the problem here? He needs to retire or go back to elementary school to relearn multiplication and division.

[@fratertimotheusmariae2029]

+ Speak and when necessary use words. (Saint Francis of Assisi)

[@michaelmuller6890]

the guy knows how to ask sophisticatedly and is curious by nature. A kind of born journalist in the real sense of that word. And the interview partner is a firework of competence and credibility! Thanks!

[@kanamasai5194]

I appreciate hearing a different opinion on how this pandemic should be handled. It's always important to hear a different idea.

[@romanopaso]

Except he is lying.

[@ub2bn]

@@romanopaso ooooo burn... good one, warrior snowflake...who could argue with such a fact based argument, as yours?

[@muridae83]

@Ryan Tandy Depends on alot of factors. how dense the population of that country is, travel patterns, healthcare system, age of the population and such. If we take the scandinavian countries i think Norway and Denmark would have done better by going the model of Sweden while i think Sweden would have done better with slightly harsher lockdown measures. In the US u need different measures for different states since they differ so much. Sweden botched taking care of the elderly severly and that is why swedens death toll is high. here is what regular media isnt talking about in Sweden kzbin.info/www/bejne/omrclKpjo6ejb5Y

[@magorzatamargaret294]

@@romanopaso no, he is not lying - that ''show'' which started on 2020 was very good planned many, many years before. I my country HONEST PEOPLE were also not allowed to speak the truth. That all ''show'' was organized by globalists agenda....and they wanted to start it some 10-11 years earlier... By that time too much document leaked out to the public so they couldnt...

[@xingjieli3069]

This host is really smart. He asked great questions and yet left his own opinion. After watching, I get the opinion and suggestions from the interviewee only.

[@sinemetu9037]

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

[@k.ganesanganesan6825]

Lies a temporary place. Replaced by truyh...thirukkural tamil.

[@burka82]

He is actually not honest and manipulative

[@dineshbora8395]

Love when Orwell is invoked.

[@ge2719]

aand telling the full truth is a bloody miracle. sweden has many reasons why not locking down hasnt hit them as hard as it would hit other countries. but they are still the wosrt off in temr sof cases and deaths per capita. they have low numbers because they have a small population. they are playing with peoples lives in order to protect their economy. thats the full truth.

[@sinemetu9037]

Dinesh Bora, well put... but I don’t think that you will find that quote was said by Orwell.

[@onerider808]

I’m surprised the commissars at KZbin haven’t removed this

[@piscolab5851]

Why?

[@BB-bx4dp]

Was thinking the same thing. With a million views and Covid right one the video label, they hasve to know about this by now. Glad its up and hope it stays, but makes me wonder what is really going on with the censorship.

[@Macintosh007]

@@piscolab5851 Because Susan Wojiski said in an interview she wants to take down "corona fake news" that doesn't abide by WHO standards.

[@intipampa]

@@Macintosh007 I read the WHO news briefing on their website and the Director even stated they are working with big tech to stamp out "misinformation" on social media. I don't trust them or the mainstream media

[@harrykays8193]

They can't. Unherd is a real news show . KZbin will be big time sued if they remove it

[@marcelino02]

When Johnson does it, he’s a madman and Brits are irresponsible. But when Sweden does it, suddenly it’s all ok.

[@vdudya]

eM Jay Johnson was way too slow on the uptake. Sweden were well ahead of the U.K. with their response

[@TB1M1]

The stakes are too high 66 million vs 10 million. How could you not follow the Taiwan and South Korean example. It's prudent and they have avoided thousands of deaths. Britain are not unified like smaller European countries.

[@erikwhateveryou]

@@TB1M1 because taiwan and south korea is better at stopping it. once it goes out to the domestic population , there is no turning back. but sinse there is no cure in the market. They probabaly will have to deal with new outbreaks a long long time

[@MorganHayes_Composer.Pianist]

@@erikwhateveryou One of the reasons SK and Taiwan are better at stopping it is due to mouth being covered by swathes of the population. Great way of stopping transmission but only partially effective as protection.

[@erikwhateveryou]

@@MorganHayes_Composer.Pianist maybe works. but they will always live in fear of catching it

[@stewartcaldwell5299]

Practical, logical. I agree 100%.

[@tessauniversitari4925]

Too bad he is saying that in Sweden the death toll will be the same as that of a severe influenza and in 2 months we have doubled that number

[@Boss3n]

@@tessauniversitari4925 5 months*

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[@channelbree]

The children are struggling badly, my 6year old son is almost depressed - we've kept him busy but his life is turned upside down, we must get back to school with the kids for their mental and physical health.

[@victoriasp41]

My 9 and 4 year old sons love being at home. I do not want them to go back to early before infection rates are lowering.

[@maylinn4068]

Stuart Anderson i norge er det mye verre . Her florerer psykiske problemer og sykdom . Helt forferdelig . Folket er i kne . Myndighetene har gjordt en skandale av dimensjoner

[@ndavies5968]

🤦‍♂️Fml

[@ndavies5968]

@@victoriasp41 exactly.

[@annafirth6738]

I'm worried my 2 year old will get social skills delays because she is basically only allowed to talk to 2.5 people now. I'll bloody sue over state child abuse too if I can prove anything.

[@recepto]

This is the best discussion I've seen on the pandemic. Congrats to the interviewer for a fine intelligent interview; thank you to the Prof for sharing his being candid, and for sharing his knowledge and wisdom

[@AnemosFPV]

Omg, Johan Giesecke was right about everything! Well done sir, no wonder you say that you are usually right! Yes, you are !

[@haroldschris]

I assume you're joking. Even at the time it was clear Giesecke was talking nonsense (his interview is full of factual errors and self-contradictions) but even if it hadn't been, the things he said have since been completely discredited. Life's too short to list all the ways he was wrong but suffice to say that the Swedish government was forced into a humiliating U-turn. Giesecke's advice was thrown straight out the window and Sweden started doing all the things that the rest of the world has been doing from the start.

[@danielsundstrom8312]

@@haroldschris that is not entirely true. Things have definitely changed here, but its not because the original strategy is proven to be ineffective. The social democratic party, along with the environment party that sits in government was standing on the sidelines during the initial part of the pandemic. As things progressed they felt that they had to interfere with the health agency (FHM) to gain political points. The strategy is still a moderate one when compared to almost all european countries. The government is more involved, but listens to FHM and is not as power crazy as many other governments in Europe. For instance, they are still pubicly maintaining that lockdowns are dubious, mask wearing questionable of its effectiveness.

[@haroldschris]

@@danielsundstrom8312 Sorry, which bit of my post are you disputing? That Giesecke was talking nonsense? If that's the bit you dispute then let me know and I'll list the numerous ways in which it was obvious, even at the time, that he was making no sense. For example that Denmark had more deaths than Sweden (wrong then, even more wrong now). Another example: his suggestion that action should only be taken if there is peer-reviewed evidence to support it. He contradicts himself within seconds, pointing out that Sweden had restrictions (eg no gatherings over 50) which were not backed by any peer-reviewed evidence. Or are you disputing that Sweden has performed numerous U-turns? Your (somewhat unclear) post suggests that this is what you're disputing but the grounds on which you do make no sense. You seem to be saying that the political climate changed, forcing the government to alter course. But so what? I didn't say why there had been a U-turn, I simply said there had been a U-turn. For the record I think the U-turn was because the exponential growth in infections and deaths made the government realise its strategy of herd immunity (which it didn't admit openly but which we know from emails it was following) was a disastrous failure. But whether you agree with that or disagree with it, the fact is that the government changed course. You admit yourself that things have changed. Ergo you agree with me. You just don't seem to realise it.

[@Sherukka]

@@haroldschris We now know that natural heard immunity is in reality our ONLY working solution. Also stop this stupid disinfect which will make us sicker than ever into the future! We need to get affected by these viruses etc. it is for our health!

[@haroldschris]

@@Sherukka Whst "stupid disinfect" are you talking about? Is this one of those Donald Trump-style ideas about drinking bleach?

[@suzannetreloar6156]

Can’t we replace Fauchi and Birx with this competent fellow???

[@randikagunaratne1465]

@ecwaufisxtreme Competent fellow? He's a moron. Sweden is a terrible situation at the moment as a result of not shutting down compared to the rest of Scandanavia

[@stevangvozdenovic6668]

@@randikagunaratne1465 yesterday 10 died in Sweden without lockdown 1000 died in US with lockdown, stop spreading fake news

[@randikagunaratne1465]

@@stevangvozdenovic6668 Sure since its completely normal to compare the number of deaths in a country with a population of 10 million vs a country with a population of 328 million.

[@stevangvozdenovic6668]

@@randikagunaratne1465 it's still a difference

[@sinisterminister4201]

Let Fauci do his job. I'm from Sweden and I think Fauci is highly qualified.

[@elbuggo]

Belarus is by far the most sane. Government there advised drinking some vodka, and visit the sauna twice a week. Definitely the sanest country!

[@robralston1748]

elbuggo what are their numbers looking like?

[@LockerbieDivide]

infection rates thru the roof (confirmed near 5,000 cases, unconfirmed maybe 10x that), death toll (low so far) doubling weekly, and Lukashenko declares no one has died or will die FROM coronavirus in his country. Thousands might die of preexisting conditions, some pneumonia, etc. after getting COVID19, but by decree it seems, he wants to keep the virus' name clean. Wish we could have such good virus advocates running all our countries. (that's sarcasm - I'm needing to plainly label it now)

[@greenshootz]

@@LockerbieDivide Not completely mad, i don't think dying of underlying health illnesses and then co morbidity, catching corona late stage, means it should be attributed to corona. It is like a narrative for all politicians to get out of everything for ten years now.

[@consensus949]

@@LockerbieDivide I think you are rather misinformed.

[@LockerbieDivide]

@@greenshootz like when someone has cancer then dies in a car crash - they write cancer as cause of death, right? /sarcasm. Also if u follow, besides those who die is 100X more needing hospital beds for weeks, hundreds a day. This is why all top experts worldwide advised what we're mostly all doing. In the process they made a million new armchair experts. Hi.

[@benamin6951]

Never been more proud of being Swedish. People are comparing death tolls in different countries as if the pandemic is over and they are summarising the figues. That is obv not the case. Here in Sweden we have great trust between the citizens and the authorities, meaning we dont need military police to stand on every corner giving us orders to go home. Unfortunately the countries that have been in total lockdown will eventually see a spike in new cases when they ease on the restrictions, which has to happen quite soon given the economy and so on.

[@Pasperis88]

unless they find a functional cure in which case Sweden will be left with thousands of preventable deaths because it wouldn't enforce stricter measures for two months.

[@benamin6951]

@@Pasperis88 Haha ok and when do YOU think there'll be a "cure" (surely you mean a vaccine?) for this? It's not around the corner, and to wait with lifting these heavy restrictions until the vaccine is here is utter madness.

[@Pasperis88]

@@benamin6951 no I mean a drug that treats the symptoms. Most experts say it will come far sooner than a vaccine. They also say that summer is gonna suppress the infection. So if Sweden would suppress until May it would have an effective window until September for a drug that decimates mortality.

[@benamin6951]

@@Pasperis88 Haha what on earth are you on about? You're talking about a drug that treats coughing and a runny nose? Come on man wake up. The one thing that IS on the way however, is an antibody test to see who's had the disease and therefore is immune. Get your facts straight

[@Pasperis88]

@@benamin6951 no I mean antiviral drugs like remdesivir. Treatments that prevent cytokine storms which lead to lung failure. Anti-inflammation drugs which treat cardiac failure. Plasma treatments from recovered patients. Coughing and runny nose is the first phase of a disease that leads to multi-organ failure and death. How old are you?

[@ruthirwin8222]

I think this gentleman is exactly right...im a retired nurse and at last a scientist who speaks understandably and calmly..so different to what we get from bbc etc

[@Elizabeth-jd3mn]

I'm a health professional too and I agree with him totally. I'm so fed up with the rubbish going on in the UK I can't watch the TV anymore I just get so angry they've duped the public with this idea lockdown saves lives. There isn't a shred of evidence it saves lives only that it increases overall death rates. The government is lying by omission.

[@Victoria-sc9yz]

@@Elizabeth-jd3mn There will always be a section of the population who, even after instruction regarding infection control, won't co-operate. So unfortunately, to be on the safe side, we are ALL locked down. That's my only explanation.

[@TheSlyngel]

@@Victoria-sc9yz And still it wont stop the virus.

[@dtz1000]

@@Elizabeth-jd3mn 185 dead in Sweden in just the last 24 hours, but only 1 in Norway and just 6 in Denmark. I think that is evidence enough that this professor is an idiot.

[@瑞-t7u]

@@dtz1000 He has already explained in the video, he judges that the death toll would be more or less the same eventually.

[@briangraham1395]

At last an expert who gives straight answers and no bulls...!

[@CherryBerryFashion]

It’s refreshing for real..

[@christianwouters6764]

At last an expert who doesn't lose himself in verbiose and politically correct sentences and is willing to answer questions with YES or NO.

[@neverthebride1243]

Brian Graham - LOL 😂

[@angelebabin4313]

He is a SUPER interviewer.

[@MinscS2]

Sweden can hold its current course for years. How long can your (royal "your") country hold it's current course before social and economic unrest makes it impossible? How many *months*? How long before your country has to ease up on the restrictions? Will your country be able to put back said restrictions if need be? Will the populace even allow it? I get the impression that a lot of the annoyance aimed at Sweden is simply based in the fact that more and more people are fed up with the isolation and the restrictions, and hence seeing a country where it's "still open" and where it's inhabitants can go out and have dinner, shop, have a (limited) get together with friends, etc, must be pretty ... annoying and frustrating. Deep down, I bet that these people simply wished that they would be allowed to do what the swedes do, and that their government would (or rather, could?) act the same way as the Swedish government does (because ultimately, it's the behavior of the swedes themselves that allows the Swedish government to act the way they do.)

[@Gymrat2006]

So so true. people are talking like Sweden is doing nothing, wrong they are doing what can be done for a more sustainable period of time. To the fear mongers it seems shocking but it’s actually more rational. And finally as the man said you are not going to stop this thing once it’s started and sadly that I fell will be the lesson in history. Hopefully we never see another lockdown.

[@dsteadson]

I have already this weekend noticed a significant surge in Swedes out and about compared to previous weekends. Same has been noted in the media in Stockholm

[@jan.lotvall]

@@dsteadson LOL, that is WEATHER. And the virus does not spread outdoors...

[@2righthands816]

@@jan.lotvall 1500 dead in a country of 10mln. Can you work out percentages, proportions, etc? It's a microscopic spike and you don't ruin your economy which *always* leads to suicides, broken families, mental problems, etc. Your neighbouring counties have only prolonged the lives of those who are about to die soon anyway but at what cost?

[@thedoctor8381]

@@2righthands816 spot on...you cannot compare one country to another...so many variables that it's not reliable to do so.

[@paulabeard6865]

Thank God for a voice of reason!

[@Qrayon]

Amen.

[@chaostheory16]

It’s good to have a voice. But far more importantly, will anyone who matters hear and take action based on it? Or will it be just another random dude on the fringes who the decision makers ignore or roll their eyes at?

[@superdeluxesmell]

His indifferent demeanour adds so much force to his perspective.

[@superdeluxesmell]

John David 😂 If you think that man comes across as immature, we live on radically different planets my friend. I don’t see much sense in taking this discussion further.

[@burleybater]

@John David So like um, we'll just virtue signal our way into the Greatest Depression. Let me know how that works out for you.

[@superdeluxesmell]

John David likewise

[@nobedience]

Thank you from Germany. Much needed informations. Sometimes a emergency break can do more harm than good. A moderate but focused care is better than a harsh top down.

[@maijaliepa119]

I would love to hear from the doctor from sweden every month or two - not a year from now. Wishing.🙏💙🙏

[@capriyam9915]

Watched the interview from start to finish.The interviewer and the interviewee both are brilliant .learnt a totally different perspective of the situation today

[@raymondpomfret4214]

I'm not onside with another lockdown and a lot of my friends are of the same mind and we are in our 60 to 75 years of age, some with health problems !!

[@cvan7681]

Agreed. The long term effects are devastating.

[@raduleu293]

The reality proved that Professor Johan Giesecke was right..

[@oldtimer7635]

What, where is the evidence? In Sweden 5820 dead, in Finland 334 dead. Which handled covid19 better?

[@Robin-uu6eg]

@@oldtimer7635 my state has the same population as sweden and we have many more deaths and cases. In my mind sweden did pretty damn well for not having a mandatory lockdown.

[@len2063]

Finland closed border before the infection and very few travel to country. Island and New Zeeland made it better than Finland but you did well.

[@oldtimer7635]

@@Robin-uu6eg What´s the logic there? If you have it worse than Sweden, does it mean that Sweden has succeeded? No, it only means that you USA, have screwed it up totally, statistics tell that. You can ask Trump why he did nothing in March but called it democratic hoax, remember? I repeat, Sweden 5821 dead, we Finland their close neighbour 335 dead. Those are the facts! Here, read and learn, European statistics: ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

[@oldtimer7635]

@@Robin-uu6eg Ok, from your (USA) point of view Sweden may have succeeded, but who wouldn´t? (Because your situation is so horrible). Globaly they have screwed it up! Everything is relative.

[@1990-t1j]

The fact that in the UK there's a lot of public support for the lockdown shows how duped they are. Superb interviewing technique.

[@lordofthewoods]

I have long wondered what the end game in the U.S. was to having people being told to "shelter in place" SOMEWHERE in the U.S. every single DAY for a couple of decades now; clearly smells like some sort of conditioning... most see it as completely routine now.

[@Blackgeoff1]

.... except for when they want to go watch a stupid horse race ..?

[@lordofthewoods]

@Ryan Tandy: Apparently, you're not aware that the outbreak has not run its course anywhere yet, thus, the jury is still out as to what the final result will be. Without herd immunity, outbreaks are likely to continue, and I wouldn't touch a vaccine with a ten-foot pole. Plus, re: the "numbers": kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWbJkGmiqdtqpas Plus, where has a lockdown "worked", other than in communist countries run by liars?

[@dallysinghson5569]

South Korea. Taiwan. New Zealand.

[@lordofthewoods]

@@dallysinghson5569: OK. You realize they are not out of the woods yet, right? And you list: New Zealand, a small island. Taiwan, a small island. You forgot Iceland. I'll deal with South Korea below. And HOW are the deaths being counted in various areas? e.g.: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWbJkGmiqdtqpas Are you aware that, in the area I live in the U.S. that, in a 100-mile radius around me in my state, where about 2 million people live, we have a TOTAL of 60 deaths? And yet, in NYC, there are nearly 20,000; why is that? (note that everything below was in a reply I made to someone else who was denigrating Trump's response, but it somewhat fits what we're discussing) Cuomo and DeBlasio bitch about being out of money, but guess what they spend it on? ILLEGAL ALIENS! New York is the epicenter in the U.S. (with nearly HALF of total deaths nationwide), where Cuomo signed an order refusing to cooperate with the Feds on illegal immigration in 2017, and signed a bill giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens last year. Now, New York's hospitals are overrun with illegal aliens. "At Elmhurst, a 545-bed public hospital that serves a large population of undocumented immigrants and low-income residents, coronavirus patients have begun to crowd out others. Protective gear is running low. Doctors are worried there will be a shortage of ventilators." (NYT, a month ago) That's what happens when you lure them to an area that doesn't have the money or infrastructure to support them; doing so is INHUMANE: www.governor.ny.gov/sites/governor.ny.gov/files/atoms/files/EO_%23_170.pdf AND www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/us/new-york-license-undocumented-immigrants-trnd/index.html AND thefederalist.com/2020/03/27/sanctuary-cities-that-rejected-federal-law-are-now-pleading-for-federal-help/ AND www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/nyregion/coronavirus-queens-corona-jackson-heights-elmhurst.html Great job, assholes. Now, your hospitals are FULL of ILLEGAL ALIENS that you CAN'T AFFORD to take care of! Cuomo wanted to be a big-shot; here's his chance. He can't keep up with his own state, but thinks that Trump should be able to keep up with ALL 50 states... including those who have thumbed their noses at U.S. law... not to mention the rest of what's going on internationally. As if Trump should be going from hospital to hospital in New York, asking them what they need, even though doing the same is "too hard" for the GOVERNOR of that state, who has ONE JOB. People like to point to South Korea as an example, but you know what South Korea DOESN'T HAVE? South Korea doesn't have "sanctuary cities" overrun with illegal immigrants that are illiterate even in their NATIVE languages... FORGET being able to speak English. How in the hell are you supposed to issue health advisories in ONE-HUNDRED AND SIXTY languages? See how that doesn't work? Most South Koreans speak a SINGLE language; see how that DOES WORK? Cuomo was bitchin' about having to get everything from China; let's see what Trump was saying TEN YEARS AGO about the subject. Do you understand the concept behind his placing tariffs on Chinese products? kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5vHeqaeqtSFeLM As for the virus, the "projections", "models", and data change EVERY HOUR. Here's a disclaimer placed at the bottom of many of these media stories: "The information in this story is accurate as of press time. However, as the situation surrounding COVID-19 continues to evolve, it's possible that some data have changed since publication." IN SHORT, we will not be able to assess what worked best until the outbreak is completely BEHIND US; even then, you cannot compare what transpired on a pristine, remote island to what transpired in a festering, over-populated slum of third-worlders in a large country with WAY TOO MANY global connections.

[@MrKongatthegates]

Just open any textbook on epidemiology. This isnt the first pandemic

[@jennieh8173]

And so far, every thing he said has been true. Protests about lockdowns, more cases as soon as the countries open up. The whole world has gone mad, and Giesecke says: "yepp".

[@GM53946]

Really? He said the mortality will be 0.1%. Meanwhile in NYC 0.3% of the total population have died, and places like Peru are heading there at the level of the whole country very soon.

[@TheDetherion]

@@GM53946 The numbers are still not up to par. Over the long run the mortality will be 0.1-0.3 and recent studies have shown this. Higher mortality in Sweden due to failure to protect the elderly (they freely admit this) and lower mortality in previous years. Sweden has had it right and a lot of people admit that at this point. Any countries still promoting lockdowns and draconic measures are riding into their doom and the panic is a crime.

[@GM53946]

​@@TheDetherion Again, how can it be 0.1-0.3% when it's already at that level with only a minority of the population infected? The numbers are not off, in fact they are clear undercounts because the excess deaths are way higher than the confirmed cases. By 30% in NYC, by perhaps as much as 3X in Peru. What did those people die from?

[@TheDetherion]

@@GM53946 Good job at pulling numbers out from your bottom. CDC officially confirmed overcounting of death cases. Here are death count studies, not random BS you bots spread twitter.com/hendrikstreeck/status/1301793961519001601?s=20

[@GM53946]

@@TheDetherion What sort of a cretin does not have to be to not be able to understand the concept of "excess deaths"?

[@edgrimshaw379]

A very good interviewer. Good questions in the right sequence

[@donragnar8430]

Poundland Henry Cavill

[@stennordenmalm1735]

By far the best discussion about covid 19 I have heard!

[@Rittlesleo]

How refreshing to hear a rational approach based on science and reason

[@valerieburns5986]

I am amazed that there never seems to be discussion about the general health of those who have died or who are very sick; as if a vaccine will save us. Improving one’s health is within the power of every individual and that will subsequently have a powerful effect on the bodies ability to stay healthy.

[@serpentines6356]

@Vallerie. Yep, I agree. The child obesity rate in U.S. is absolutely horrendous. The problem started exploding with the Gov't subsidizing corn crops, and schools getting rid of real PE classes. Bad, and unhealthy all around.

[@willgeorge5644]

No, not everyone, many people have type 1 daibetes, organ transplant, cancer etc that are not due to their condition. also older people. Try as they may, they cant "improve one''s health". I am 70, do my best to stay fit, weigh 68 kg but I have a heart condition (Atrial Fibrillation). I really battle is winter, wanted to go to warmer place this winter but no travel now.

[@simonlevett4776]

Nice point Valerie.

[@RaphaelStone1]

This is a very helpful and level-headed interview. All the right questions asked.

[@patriciawagstaff6302]

Too bad that trumpie is not capable of having a intelligent conversation. We desperately need to have someone who can lead our nation .

[@ub2bn]

@@patriciawagstaff6302 you go get 'em, warrior princess.

[@agenthex]

No, any decent journalist would ask him how he derived a 0.1% death rate when 0.15% of NYC and 0.12% of stockholm is already dead and NYC antibody tests show

[@ub2bn]

@@agenthex context... 0.1% is an estimate of overall death rate (mortality rate).. based on the belief that many more are infected than have been confirmed. How do I know this? Because he says so, quite clearly, in the interview, beginning at the 13:55 minute mark... It's a worldwide average mortality rate, NOT case fatality rate (CFR), nor the % of deaths in any particular city or country... He makes that quite clear. You need to pay attention better... Or are you just trolling for an argument???

[@agenthex]

​@@ub2bn Are you slow or something? NYC already has ​a 0.15% death rate, with ~20% testing positive for antibodies. If this math is too hard for you guys, maybe get off even youtube and go back to the coloring books.

[@nathanielmaisey9414]

Ashamed to be British - the fact that this kind of perspective has found no place in the media’s interrogation of government policy, and that the citizenry has given up lirberty without question - indeed has welcomed it - is a disgrace. Our WWII? We never would have had the guts to fight it in the first place. Perhaps aptly symbolised by the fact we spend our evenings clapping a hospital.

[@plamendobrev5416]

Don't feel too bad, here in the USA most of the public is happily giving away their liberty as well. Although there has been some pushback and protest in a few states already.

[@duncefunce1513]

This kind of perspective did get heard in the UK. It was the original plan. Imperial College cacked that up for everyone

[@Archie.Fisher]

Actually we would have, because - what the crisis has revealed is that we are all highly conformist. Conformity gets people to fight for their country, just war or no.

[@nathanielmaisey9414]

Good point!

[@karljonsson5577]

You are being bombarded with propaganda from BBC

[@argh2945]

I like the fact that he has the presence of mind and the maturity to state what he did at 16:41 "People who will die a few months later are dying now. That's taking months from their lives. That's not nice to think about.. but the effects of the lockdown are what I'm afraid of" He's right. In my opinion people aren't putting enough weight on the job and income losses, the eventual evictions once the government restrictions on it are lifted, the rise in depression and suicides that'll be caused by economic hardship and isolation, the people dying because they couldn't get NHS treatment for other ailments ect ect.

[@verucasalt9182]

L.L we live in a society that looks for likes in social media , the ones who support the lockdown and the crash in the economy are not even thinking in consequences perhaps because they have never known poverty or deprivation . Their comments saying that protecting the lives of the very sick and elderly is far more important than material possessions give them hundreds of likes . The should realise that those likes are not edible .

[@argh2945]

@@verucasalt9182 This whole situation is a loaded one. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't; people will suffer either way. It's just that too many haven't been honest what the price to be paid for either decision. I like that the prof is honest and clear about the price Sweden is willing to pay.

[@billhancock3788]

Dulcinea Del Toboso You are right. We have all become narcissists. People will not know what life will be life like after. The consequences haven’t even been considered 😮. The reason why most people are in favour is because they are receiving 80% salary. Had they not received anything employment would have risen and people would have acted completely different.

[@AmmonDowis]

Poverty is the #1 reason for crime. Without a healthy economy crime will naturally rise.

[@arianoangelo7243]

No shit, politicians are only taking decisions based on how popular they are going to make them in next elections.

[@girlwriteswhat]

Why is the curve flattening? Yes, many of the more vulnerable will have already succumbed, and the less vulnerable will have moderate, mild or no symptoms for the most part and may not realize they're immune because they don't even know they already had it. Another factor is weather. If you sort worldometer dot info's chart by total cases/deaths per million population, you see a lot of warmer countries stacked at the bottom, and colder, northern hemisphere countries stacked at the top. Experimental research out of the US indicates the half life of the virus is cut from 6-18 hours to under 2 minutes by a combination of heat and humidity, or by sunlight. That means we'd expect the curves to flatten as the weather gets warmer. And before anyone mentions Iran, their temperatures in winter range from 0C to 8C, and they're 63% overcast from November to April. Not as cold as Alberta in winter, but certainly not balmy.

[@kristofdevuyst2184]

@K T How is herd immunity in Sweden now?

[@Razormiller]

@K T You were saying? www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021

[@willgeorge5644]

@Sentient.Observer Their mistake in the beginning was that they believed WHO and China who told them the death rate would be the same as flu. Taiwan was kicked out of WHO by china, Being Chinese people who escaped China they knew better, look at how they have done. I said on this video that the death rate was 1.7% as we had followed Taiwan and it was basically over, so we could see. Giesecke and Tegnell used the death rate to work out how many cases they had and came to the conclusion that they were already near herd immunity levels... but of course they were not in reality. This was the problem, they were gullible. Likable people though.

[@stephenhunter4585]

This didn't age well did it poppet?

[@jeffreychongsathien]

And the WHO changed the guidance on the number of cycles for PCR tests... then suddenly the curve rolls over. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

[@marinagallant1847]

Finally, an intelligent and reasonable interview. Thank you, doctor, for being brave enough to speak. You know full well that this is a convenient power grab by governments that indeed want life-time tenures.

[@linusjoensson8219]

This is so sad. This guy, Giesecke, fooled you completely. He made the "power grab". This was not even his opinions, this was whatever narrative that suited his businesses and "friends" the best.

[@kevinholmes7199]

Such a logical, level-headed approach. Great interview. Nice to see others on here who share the same thought. New York City took the same approach in 1918 against the flu (I know, this isn't the flu). Royal S. Copeland was the city's Health Commissioner and he never shut down schools, didn't ban large social gatherings, worked with businesses to help keep them open, and made it a priority to prevent hysteria and keep up morale. Unlike most other cities of the time (which under lockdown) NYC experienced only one "wave" of spread that ended in two months and resulted in the lowest mortality rate of the large cities on the Eastern seaboard.

[@cfvgd]

Taiwan have 6 deaths. Enough said. There is still no proof of immunity. Fucking idiots all over the world...

[@MarionTee]

Glad to hear an expert expressing the thoughts I have had about this

[@13thGenPatriot]

"Most people that get it will not even know they've had it."

[@MinscS2]

Not sure what you mean with the quotations. Are you making fun of him, or are you agreeing with his statement? It's not exactly a secret that the vast majority of people who get infected by the virus barely get any symptoms, many mistaking it for a mild cold. They can still spread it and infect others though, so what might result as a mild cold to person A, might result in intensive care for person B.

[@chrissalmon3222]

MinscS2 I think he’s just pointing out the main point a lot of people have said but have Been dismissed as science deniers.

[@LTTPUK]

Maybe it doesn't exist? Apparently the tests are completely flawed and are 80% inaccurate.

[@chrissalmon3222]

nadia c your missing the fact that some hospitals are laying off nurses bc there underwhelmed by the virus. That’s why they have time for all the coordinated Tiktok dances. The lockdown is stupid as the hospitals are not being overburdened, and healthy people are not allowed to go out and work.

[@Dr-Curious]

@@chrissalmon3222 "your missing the fact that some hospitals are laying off nurses bc there underwhelmed by the virus" It's astonishing this social media trend where the more histrionic people just fantasise online regardless of how asinine they sound. Just talk any old shit as if it's fact. Talk your feelings as if they are rational and factual.. They weren't "laying off" anyone before the virus arrived, so what quirk of "logic" helped you decide that an additional burden would reduce workload, Einstein? Are you a flat earther?

[@ginashiel105]

I know quite a few people who would like the lock down lifted now.I totally agree with Prof.Johan Giesecke, I wish Boris had stuck to his original plan like Sweden.

[@ginashiel105]

@D C Not necessarily, listen to what the Prof said.

[@hectorseda7544]

I'm not sure whether I love or hate conspiracies, however, aint it odd how Boris supposedly got Covid?? was it possibly to shut him up and change his mind for a lockdown? Or am i imagining? Mind you, not all of us are benevolent souls, there are evil war mongering elitists that will kill and/or harm, eg., look at the US

[@lukaojala4384]

He's more serious than the COVID infection.

[@thefullmonte1902]

That's just how the Swedes are... reserved :)

[@DavidJohnson-tv2nn]

@@thefullmonte1902 The Swedish attitude seems to be let the virus run its course and kill whoever it kills. Totally immoral Socialist policy.

[@amrannoordin1644]

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn Then explain why he said that they protect the frail and the old?

[@amrannoordin1644]

@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn Sweden has also tripled the intensive care capacity. How do you explain that then?

[@chaostheory16]

David Johnson yeah, that about sums up nature. Let the virus run its course and kill whoever it kills... and, as he said and which you conveniently disregarded, protect and isolate the frail and elderly. Yeah, much more socialist than bailing out 150 million Americans with bullshit stimulus checks and paying them 120% of their usual earnings through unemployment, eh? No incentive to work. I’d call that pretty much the definition of socialist.

[@josemariatrueba4568]

IMPRESSIVE the number of answers where directly yes, no, or any other single word direct answer, instead of talking using many words saying nothing meaningful. I am not used to hear straightforward answers. His answers for make sense to me, unlike all the nonsense that we hear these days. This doctor knows what he is talking about, specially considering that he is retired, and old enough to be retired and normally old people are wiser than when they were young when they knew much less but were more secure. Old people know so much that they realise that they ignore much more of what they know, that is why they are less secure than when they were younger.

[@doroparker1702]

This is how northern European people communicate. Yes means yes and no means no. When you meet people from Germany you may think they are rude. They just communicate very direct.

[@Anastasia91000]

Love it when common sense rules political agenda

[@Razormiller]

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55347021 turns out your common sense is the political agenda bit !!

[@a_lucientes]

Imagine commonsense.

[@williamknifeman7330]

alucientes watch your mouth, that’s blasphemy.

[@billbrown1335]

Common sense? Isn't that bigoted anti binary trans adjectives & genderless deniers territory?

[@MrJamberee]

An interviewer asking honest questions? Why are there no accusatory or gotcha questions? What’s going on here?

[@RustyIronloins]

With Neil Ferguson's very public track record of making hysterically incorrect and exaggerated predictions, I am so disappointed that any policy makers took his advice seriously.

[@justine_holloway]

the policy makers in our country don't have a brain cell between them, so it's no surprise.

[@argh2945]

He needs to be cast out of academia for good.

[@baronpavalla]

@Robert FERGUSON Are you his non exaggerating twin brother?

[@verucasalt9182]

Rusty Ironloins Neil Ferguson will take the fall but I doubt he was on his own when he decided to crash the economy of this country knowing that this decision will affect this and the future generation for the worse .

[@MrStooge.]

They would have found someone who provided the right science to justify what has long been planned. And it's not even their responsibility. They are just 'following the science.'

[@seviyorim]

« What am I afraid of? [within the lockdown scenario?] The dictatorial trend in Eastern Europe. »

[@seviyorim]

I wished to highlight it so ppl would take note of what Giesecke said.

[@seviyorim]

@NS I kitty spathia Yes, and it struck me that this public health professional would point it out even without any political agenda, but just as an intelligent observation.

[@seviyorim]

@Interesting Things I don’t believe I know what the deep state is but I can guess it’s one that does not change regardless of governments, that has a soft power effect?

[@seviyorim]

@Markyboy McGill: I wished to highlight it so ppl would take note of what Giesecke said.

[@stefanlejonbalk3936]

To his credit he also says that it may be two times, or three times as high as the flu in terms of deaths, then he says but it's not gonna be 10 times higher or more as some reports suggests. So listen carefully to the entire interview. As for comparing Sweden to its neighbours, remember Sweden is taking a bigger punch short term which partially is related to the strategy, he is also honest about how Sweden failed to protect nursery homes etc early on. To call someone succesful at this stage or not is not very wise. Let's all look at this in 12-18 months from now. It seems like a lot of people think that this is almost over now, and therefore start calling out winners and losers.

[@mastersmurfify]

Exactly - also the titles of the videos dont help if the goal is to do the best job of educating the public

[@jaspurr77]

Sorry what planet are you on Do you realise this virus was reclassified as a non infectious disease by the British government at the end of March

[@pallavianilkumar3861]

@@jaspurr77 Source? As in could you link it please

[@kimosabbe50]

@@pallavianilkumar3861 You didn't ask me, but here: www.firstpost.com/health/the-uk-excludes-covid-19-from-hcid-category-what-are-high-consequence-infectious-diseases-and-what-does-the-exclusion-mean-8197661.html

[@halixol]

Loved this interview. However, his entire approach is based on 15:30, where he believes that this virus has already gone through most of the population without even noticing. If THAT is true, he is right, but he does not have any evidence for it either. On the other hand, NL has tested 10K of blood donors recently, and ONLY 3% of them showed antibodies. If THIS testing is representative enough, then it would mean a 1% death rate among the infected (after adding in the nursing homes) instead of the professor's 0.1% assumption, which is a HUGE difference.

[@acidthunder1]

IMO I think it HAS been though based on my memory in January Februaury at work where we had a lot in my office off ill because of "flu" .My boss had it and he complained of having breathing problems because of it . They should just accept Herd immunity is the way and ask the elderly and those with health issues to self-isolate,ad the rest of us get back to work. The lockdown is a much bigger health issue than any "virus"

[@halixol]

@@acidthunder1 In January, we both had dry cough for almost 2 weeks with my partner, with a minor fever in the first days. It was something we never experienced before. However, if that months-old theory is true, where have those severely ill patients been in January-February? Statistically speaking, there should have been people flooding the hospitals already way back then and just have a flat line since January. But this is not the case, the serious cases started to rise, including the excess deaths, only from mid-March. If you accept, that the serious cases rise in parallel with the non-severe cases, then this outbreak has just started.

[@panchovilla7580]

@@halixol Hospitals were flooded the media just wasn't focusing on it and fearmongering. I was in and out of hopsitals working my job all throughout the winter.

[@halixol]

@@panchovilla7580 Have you seen the recent overall mortality figures in US, UK and NL? (not COVID related, but overall) They show a massive spike from week 13 onwards, i think that can not be explained by a widespread community infection in Jan-Feb.

[@panchovilla7580]

@@halixol It's because they have changed how they classify things as Covid. This is a well known fact. They were spreading out the deaths before as all cause mortality. Heart attack, pnuemonia, respiratory infection, etc. Now all of those are classified as Covid because hospitals get money when they have Covid deaths and there is a massive global push for fear. www.globalresearch.ca/hospitals-getting-paid-more-label-cause-death-coronavirus/5709720

[@peetfourie5193]

The interviewer's questions had no political undertones.

[@romanopaso]

Because you assume that. If you suggest lockdown, you are automatically connected to the right. Strange is it sounds, it is not a leftist interest for parents to choose homeschooling in Sweden as it is illegal.

[@noelleirina5628]

@@romanopaso how is that relevant? The interviewer was unbiased

[@argh2945]

@@romanopaso Completely left field (pun intended) observation on your part here. The point of the OP is that this is a stark contrast to the way most of the mainstream media currently conducts interviews.

[@romanopaso]

@@argh2945 No, you assume that because you assume that lockdown is leftists thing, it is the opposite, the right wants this closed down in Sweden, that is how it is, the left wants things open. You are making the connection to the economy, and immigration, the public sector is connected to that. You cannot compare the many monopolized systems of Sweden to say the USA. You need to contextualize to understand the distinction. So-called private companies that provide elderly care are still paid with tax money, and the municipalities call the shots. So you are wrong because it is indeed the extreme-right, SD I will add, that is calling for the lockdown of schools in particular among other things. The somewhat center, and left, and of course extreme-left, the green party, are calling the shots, and what is said in this video has a political connection. After all, people are now bringing lawsuits against hospitals, schools and so on, for wrongful deaths. So now the state is starting to apply new methods, giving people now the choice, that they should have from the start, and that the right fought for.....tha is that parents should be able to decide what is best for their children, not the state. If you cannot see how the state choosing on the behalf of parents is leftists, and how giving that right to parents leans towards liberalism, I do not know that what is. Sorry, I do not think you see how the state choosing things for you are leftists. The shutting down of certain things is not left or right, it is a matter of emergency, the state deciding it knows better what is good for a child over the parent is leftist.

[@MrJamberee]

He was trying to get to the truth, which does not have a shallow ideology. Very good and fair minded interview.

[@alaricmusic]

I want this guy on TV in the US

[@bluecuracao6478]

I want him on TV everywhere, because that mass hysteria is really stupid and very destructive with that stupidity

[@laganinitravel]

No point. The americans wouldnt understand. People are so scared that they cant take in a second opinion. They cant handle that their government has been wrong the whole time. This does just not apply to americans but every country that has lockdown. People are simply either to stupid or to scared to understand.

alaricmusic and hide the 40000 dead bary them in mass graves

[@FrancoDrago]

alaricmusic The American lying media won’t allow him

[@Beetleguse]

@@hanschristianrodriguez social distancing!

[@GhostMotley]

I'm watching this a month after it was posted, and it's amazing how much he's said has come true. In the UK we aim to re-open schools first and more countries are moving towards the Swedish approach.

[@TheKgr1967]

Never let a crisis go to waste.

[@neverthebride1243]

GhostMotley - you must be joking! medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-should-we-aim-for-herd-immunity-like-sweden-b1de3348e88b

[@linusjoensson8219]

They've just done a horrible job educating you. The point was never to keep a lock down, it was to lock down and continuously re-open. They where NEVER moving to a "Swedish approach" (e.g. lack of strategy). The guy you are listening to here is nothing more than a con artist; his every move is corruption (not ilegal in Sweden). Its really sad that your government failed to explain this to the point where scammers like this could create their narrative instead.

[@GhostMotley]

@@linusjoensson8219 Repeatedly going in and out of lockdown isn't a strategy either, that is far too economically and socially costly. And Sweden per million has done better than many countries than did lockdown.

[@linusjoensson8219]

@@GhostMotley The (very, very few) countries that has done worse than Sweden went into complete lockdown *because* they where overrun by the virus. Some have gotten the correlation backwards. Look at Italy for the most obvious case; they where hit first in Europe, surprised and by the time they figured out what was happening it was chaos. They didnt have the luxery of a warning like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, etc. These countries could have started right in phase 2 and never lock down if they took the warning. The whole point of a lockdown (full or part, whatever) is to reduce the on going spread to a controllable level, not eliminate it completely (insanely costly). The incubation+sickness period of covid-19 is generally 4-6 weeks or so, this is why so many countries go to lockdown and start opening things up gradually within 1-2 months. Under these 4-6 weeks you have time to prepare for a controlling phase (information for the public, study of the virus, materials for e.g. testing, set strategies at breakouts..). This is what both global science and experience dictates, Sweden just choose to ignore this and go for a broader political approach (a lof of focus on equality and similar). I dont think you will see many countries jump in and out of lockdown. They might lock something down again if it shows a huge impact, but there is no point in going back and forth. If you go back to chaos despite preparation, there is no point locking down again.

[@lth2]

13:35: “Should I tell you what I really think? I almost never do this.” How reassuring.

[@sergeanthetfield3001]

He is 99% of the times interviewed by the swedish media mob. He would be banned if he said it like this.

[@maltejust896]

@@sergeanthetfield3001 Not true. He been widely popular in Sweden for saying what he really thinks. He is saying the same things in the biggest news outlets such as Swedish public radio and television. There is no mob.

[@stonecold007]

Most people almost never tell you what they really think, right?

[@rogerandersson279]

@Betina Rufula +1

[@larsg1843]

@Betina Rufula +1

[@helenau9388]

Voice of reason among the sheep

[@samantamonko4323]

Thanks very much for this interview. I’m Polish and in 16 minute Professor Giesecke refers to the very important aspect of this lockdown strategy - young democracy might fall under dictatorship such as Orban or Kaszyński 😤 Here in my country they stopped issuing the passport “temporarily “ as it is not the first need of citizens - I’m reaching 50 this summer and I have never ever thought it can happen again😢 I lived in Sweden 3 years, my daughter was born in Stockholm - well done 🇸🇪

[@JDmix123]

What’s your complaint of Hungary ?

[@Oteds]

@@JDmix123 It's a dictatorship and has pissed on democracy and its people. I hope they get kicked out of the EU so my country and my taxes doesn't go Hungary's corrupt leaderships.

[@kennethtarr4498]

This professor is very sharp and very wise. Thank God for people like him!

[@Greencloud8]

Sweden is the rape capital of Europe

[@janbengtsson7961]

Wise? Sweden is like number 9 with the most deaths judged by population.

[@leelowe4388]

This is a wise Man!!!!

[@janbengtsson7961]

@@leelowe4388 His methods have led to close to 3000 deaths. This is a madman.

[@jonatanarvidsson6966]

@@janbengtsson7961 Yup

[@DemocritusWept]

The reason why there is seeming widespread support now is because people get to skip the daily commute and all the stressors that entails. Others are fine with not working because the governments are providing handouts. But governments cannot keep providing handouts very long without the resumption of income creation to provide the monetary base for taxes. Obviously if no production no taxes. No handouts. Once that runs out popular opinion will change.

[@CUG-NYX-MM]

Spot on.

[@powahouzteam7471]

And stagflation... low production with money press working overtime.

[@Blackgeoff1]

"Handouts" are actually "handbacks" - government money only comes from taxes, and who pays taxes? People getting temporary support from a government while there's a temporary lockdown are only getting back something they've already paid in. Swedish deaths are soaring; they are a poor example of how to sensibly handle the situation. ..... as are the US and the UK.

[@chrisc7265]

this is a great point I hadn't thought of many are just shortsightedly glad for the paid time off

[@taspaddebourgo]

McCurry has hit the nail on the head. The interviewer is so much better than anyone on mainstream tv by leaps and bounds.

[@annieforester5964]

Yes agree with this.

[@simpaticaism]

Nice to get some calm logic on this virus .

[@HolisticBusinessPR4You]

This is a very intelligent man. There is so much undertone in what he is saying. Listen carefully.

[@dominikgraf6715]

Valentine St Aubyn - Very well said

[@WeShallOvercome10001]

@John David Where exactly does the doctor contradict himself? You haven't mentioned that. Besides: the loss of civil liberties can cost human lives, too. What about cases who didn't see a doctor in time to get a severe medical condition (not a one causes by the virus) treated adequately? Do those lives not count?

[@alexanderchance1049]

@John David err, no you don't. You say he gets redder and redder: I'd say that's just the colour of his face from the start. What I'm seeing is an interviewer asking intelligent questions, and Prof. Giesecke taking time to give carefully considered answers.

[@JonathanCrossland]

the undertone is this. I dont care about others dying. its just like influenza, but its not influenza. People die anyways, lets be free. I dont think its something we should be scared of, its just like influenza, NO it doesnt act like influenza. this kind of undertone is called stupidity.

[@WeShallOvercome10001]

@John David First of all, thanks for replying. You wrote, I quote: " He contradicts himself at every turn. The way he smirks and looks away, getting redder and redder as the interviewer gently exposes his real position, is telling." unquote. You have stated that he contradicts himself. What by? Smirking and looking away? Well he - for quite obvious reasons - wasn't looking right to the filming cam but toward the screen the , which is a perfect social behaviour by trying to catch the talking partner's facial/mimical reactions. Those are obviously shown on the monitor, which is the reason for looking to that direction. The cam of course does not have the same position/in hight and/or even left-right sideness. The interviewer does not do this likewise, which could be explained by a different positioning of both his filming cam and the monitor used ( in e greater distance to the interviewer, which might have caused a seemingly more consistently looking-impression in the interviewer. By stating that in my view you haven't given any proof or, at least some coherent thoughts that would underline your staement, I meant that I miss some counter-arguments which would address the doctor's statements. Still, you offer just your personal impression, which is perfectly alright with me if you choose to do so, but personal impressions are no rational, valid proofs. Finally, you have come up with another statement saying that Dr Giesecke was a dangerous ideologue. I can't judge that from here and now, but it that would be the case, it would have been more helpful if you had given some examples of hiss being so.