Why Luke's Strategy for Teaching Baby Yoda is Wrong

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[@darklordmalthric9814]

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[@prithviraj1450]

Luke Burdening Grogu with Jedi destiny Blackmail him into Ultimatum

[@logansmall5148]

Just imagine if Gogurt goes Mando, it'll be Odd Job in Goldeneye all over again :p

[@alexmaurice4274]

To me luke had the strong emotions just as anakin but had the strength and mental health to resist the dark side unlike anakin. My fav character is anakin especially after clone wars shows how caring he was to his close friends. Luke also had strong emotions though like when he confronted Vader to save them on cloud city. I think Luke needs to allow grogu to see mando but still be slightly more careful than anakin

[@angieh5453]

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[@muellek7]

I've heard many speculate that Luke is giving Grogu a false choice. That no matter which Grogu choses, Luke will give him both, and teach him some greater lesson along the lines of what you discussed in this video. I hope they are right.

[@Balthorium]

Hopefully. It’s unethical and rude to intercept someone else’s gift.

[@Crazyd_]

If they give him both and share custody it would retcon the sequel movies. Now I love it going back to Legends Luke or Grogu goes darkside which are the only two options. I won't believe they Retcon the sequels till they do it. I hope they do but won't get my heart broken again. Those damn Sequels were God awful.

[@darth-imperius]

Hopefully, the sequels will be the equivalent of the JJverse Star Trek movies - just a parallel universe type of thing. They should just forget about them.

[@Jason-pb3zk]

@@Crazyd_ I'm pretty sure Dave and John have both said what they're doing isn't to retcon the sequels. They said what they're doing is to lead up to the sequels.

[@mike-mz6yz]

@@Crazyd_ this is my exact thought process. I love legends Luke...though I would have had Mara survive.....still I get not wanting to have a Jedi that OP. That doesnt mean you have to make Luke a total failure. Besides which the way he fails doesnt make any logical sense. I mean he goes against the best of the Jedi and believes in the bonds of family to such a level that he risks not only his life but the whole of the galaxy in his fathers attachment to his family. He is rewarded in this blind trust confirming that the Jedi of old were wrong. If you want him to fail he should fail in the opposite way. He should blindly believe that Ben can be reached and lose everything because of it. He should relax all the rules of the Jedi ignoring the reason they came into being in the first place. This would fit his character and history. Or you could just have him make a balanced order that actually helps the galaxy rebuild and have him be a true hero.

[@BlackAdam1231]

Luke’s great successes as a Jedi were only achieved by being faithful to his friends and family

[@reniorjd]

That why he fails in the sequels.

[@Belial69699]

Sequels are garbage. They never happened. 😋

[@Ghost_Toast5000]

@@Belial69699 the good ending

[@SchwarzSchwertkampfer]

Hold up, that is for Grogu to do after his training. Now is training. Luke is right to focus on education first. Clearly Luke understands. Hint he the force frog moment. Reminisce of his master yoda, getting his starfighter out of the swamp.

[@lelostimulus9995]

It was achieved by being Anakins son.

[@Skye_Writer]

Your commitment to calling him "gogurt" is astounding, man. Truly.

[@sunflow57]

In Legends, Luke succeeded in building his Jedi Order because he based it on his own experiences and actually encouraged attachment and having friends. The old Jedi were destroyed because of their own fear, outdated beliefs and arrogance. They treated Anakin like a dog, not a person.

[@jcougar831]

Exactly.

[@frop12]

Yeah, I can't reconcile the decades of Lucas approved material with disney. Even Star Trek is apparently realizing that throwing out classical foundations is ultimately a loser.

[@samvimes9510]

He also got married and had a son.

[@mikenapier3598]

Ain't that the truth. The sith where the fire that burned down a sick forest to make room for a reborn, stronger order.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

@@mikenapier3598 Exactly this. Legends Luke has an entire arc where he learns the Dark Side is ultimately NECESSARY for the force as a whole to be balanced and healthy. This was perhaps the biggest mistake the prequel Jedi made, passion and attachment are much needed parts of life and while they represent a potential weakness at the same time the resulting force users will be much much more potentially powerful and connected to the force imo.

[@gilmadreth680]

Padawan: Master Grogu, I thought Jedi were not supposed to form attachments. Master Grogu: Attachments do not lead to the Dark Side. Fear of losing them does. P: I don't understand. You can be attached to something but not fear to lose it? G: Yes, Padawan. The people around you are a gift. Treasure them while you can but do not fear their passing. Rejoice when they finally return to The Force. P: You mean when they die. G: Death is a natural part of life. P: I wish it weren't. G: But it is. Once you have accepted that then your fear will be gone. The Dark Side will never take you. P: I have to live knowing that Life and Death are inseparable? That sounds impossible. G: [fondly touches the oversized pauldron adorning his right shoulder] No, Padawan, it is not impossible. It is the Way.

[@darklordvader66]

This is how the luke i imagined would say to grogu. But wth is filoni doing? Don't make him sequels luke fans need legends luke.

[@gilmadreth680]

@@darklordvader66 I'm not entirely certain either but it is still entirely possible we're simply seeing Luke make some mistakes as he takes his first steps towards being a teacher. Remember, even in the old Expand Universe Luke didn't make a conscious decision to deviate from what he'd discovered about the teachings of the old Jedi Order until after the events on Niruan hammered a permanent Force Bond into place between himself and Mara Jade.

[@jried1051]

For people reading it, Do it in yoda's voice.

[@darklordvader66]

@@gilmadreth680 yeah i hope you're right

[@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_Homer]

I mean... that is basically the basis of the old Jedi Code anyway. Yoda said pretty much the same things. It's not as if they just pissed on their friends corpses when they died and went back to business. They had memorials and funerals for eachother. A lot of Jedi were assholes in practice, but there's nothing really wrong at all with their fundemental beliefs. How the order itself is run and their hierarchies is a different story.

[@orainefoster8316]

With Luke I think he is right to a certain extent. I don't think he is saying Grogu shouldn't have attachments. I think he is just preparing Grogu for the fact as, again, Grogu is going to outlive pretty much everyone he knows and loves and Luke is trying to prepare Grogu for that. Plus, we have to remember in both seasons of Mando we have seen that he has dark side tendencies and Luke wouldn't want Grogu to seek revenge and be rageful if god forbid Mando or anyone else he cares for dies, especially given his unlimited potential force wise, thats going to be a huge issue. Which is why ideally Grogu should be staying with Luke. Grogu can have attachments but he, like Anakin, will need to know when to let go at some point and be prepared for when his loved ones will no longer be there. All of this is because Grogu will live on and people will come and go, everyone is on borrowed time. More than likely he’s not prepared for that yet due to his trauma and I think those dark side tendencies will be explored further in season 3, but that’s just my two cents.

[@josiahkruse1180]

A great two cents that should be worth much more. I agree with that assessment.

[@seabasswallyworld]

The fact that Grogu is going to outlive Mando could potentially push Grogu down a dark path, in a vain attempt to save Mando from death. The same path Anakin took to save Padme. What Anakin's visions didn't show him, was that he was the one that would kill his wife. In legends I think Yoda's species have never had a member of their kind turn to the dark side. Although that could just be because there are only like 6 of them mentioned throughout all of Star Wars, so such a tiny sample size doesn't tell us what their entire species is like.

[@goldfishprime]

@@seabasswallyworld Maybe... but kids do "outlive" their parents. I think Grogu will always remember Din.

[@zacharyhutchison4006]

But the shirt wasn't Luke's to play those games with. It was a gift for Grogu, it's his by right. Luke was way out of line.

[@ldobehardcore]

@@seabasswallyworld Yaddle was horrifically treated for years (hudreds?) before she became a Jedi or had formal training. Yoda species has potential for great emotional resiliency

[@Kingoftheslams2020]

Luke’s definitely doing the “you can only choose one” fake out and will absolutely let grout have both, given that he goes through with the training. After defeating the empower with his father Luke knows this level of attachment is healthy

[@Balthorium]

It would be immoral to withhold defensive armor under any circumstances. Giving him a weapon is not that good of an idea. He should use the force to help Din wield the darksaber. He could be in a backpack or nearby making the darksaber light. I don’t know. A sword is a lousy weapon for diminutive Grogu anyway until he mastered the force.

[@DarvakSondrath]

Luke should have had that mindset, but given his failure in the sequel trilogy, im pretty sure he doesnt.

[@grayski3324]

@@DarvakSondrath His attempt murder, abandoning of the galaxy and later suicidal period on that bloody island, lol.

[@lukeberghaus272]

@@DarvakSondrath yeah, I imagine Luke turned to those old Jedi books for advice on how to revive the Jedi, but doesn’t understand why they failed yet. And this he is going to repeat their mistakes.

[@mitch-ui8ds]

This is egsactly what I’ve been thinking except I think the fake out is that correct answer is the armour and he wants him to have attachments and if he chooses the armour he will go on to become a Jedi but if he chooses the saver he will go back to mando

[@ohkaygoplay]

Luke said, "A short time for you is a lifetime for someone else." So, he gave Grogu an out. Grogu can accept the armor and go back to Din, and then come back either after Din dies, or when both are ready for Grogu to take this leap into the Jedi life. Grogu's heart isn't in it right now. He doesn't have to be the first student in the new school. He has hundreds of years ahead of him to train and learn. Living with Din for the remainder of Din's lifespan is plausible. I really hope he accepts the chainmail.

[@TheFreeBass]

That lifespan argument is one of the stupidest things I've heard in all of SW. It isn't very far removed from telling a child there's no point in having a cat or dog because it's just gonna die anyway. Or don't make friends at school because you'll just drift apart later. Hell, even Luke himself is only a temporary fixture in Grogu's life... why bother wasting time w/ him?

[@AeneasGemini]

@@TheFreeBass Yeah, it's a bit silly, most of us will outlive our parents but does that mean we shouldn't love them? A thing isn't precious because it lasts

[@snoddycasualplayah3241]

This Is The Way.

[@jaestaxz4230]

@@TheFreeBass your comparing a pet and friends mando is basically his father grogu species live 10 times longer and are also connected to force like no other being so i can see why he said that

[@TheFreeBass]

@@jaestaxz4230 Are you saying that pets &/or friends can't be loved as much as family? Or have less importance? Or that mando's (lack of) connection to the force means... anything?". Is Luke more important because he knows the force? Will Grogu's life be less if he chooses not to wield the force (if Luke will even give him that option)? I have no idea what you're getting at.

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

My hope is that this is a turning point for Luke as a character, much like the problems with the Darksaber and the "I took off my helmet in public" thing is a turning point for Din Djarin. Both characters are struggling between the strict backwards rules of their forebears, the same strict rules that lead to their undoing, and slowly being guided by Grogu into being more flexible and forward-thinking. My theory is that Grogu is the key to bringing long lasting peace and cooperation between the Jedi and the Mandalorians through the influence of Luke and Din Djarin respectively.

[@GamerX13X]

Shame grogu is probably dead ;-;

[@AceSpadeThePikachu]

@@GamerX13X What makes you say that? I highly doubt Lucasfilm would kill off arguable their currently most marketable character.

[@nagillim7915]

@@AceSpadeThePikachu - if Grogu was at Luke's Jedi temple then the Knights of Ren would likely have killed him when they came for Ben. At least, i assume that was the way it would have played out. Palpatine used Sith magic to plant fear and doubt in Luke at his nephew's brush with the dark side, leading to him igniting his lightsabre and driving Ben away. And i imagine Snoke had the Knights of Ren in position to offer Ben a way to escape when it happened. And after Ben left while Luke was buried under a hut, the Knights destroyed the temple and the other students, making it seem to Luke that Ben had turned fully because of his moment of weakness. All of that is well within the bounds of Palpatine's abilities. And as Luke thought Sidious was dead and there were no more Sith he would not have noticed his own feelings being clouded. If he chooses the Mandalorian path, though, then he may very well survive Luke's mistake and re-emerge a bit older after the sequels. What i keep wondering is, if he's already 50 but still a toddler, when do their species become adults? Yoda was 900 and said he had trained Jedi for 800 years, so Grogu is, what, over halfway through his childhood but still a toddler? Or has he mentally regressed because of the trauma he's been through but is really equivalent to a 10 year old?

[@staroceans8677]

Indeed

[@kingnamor7777]

@@nagillim7915 I agree that Grogu would most likely be killed if he did stay with Luke.

[@crazyquirrels]

Revan proved that strong, positive emotions actually strengthen one’s connection with the Force. What the Jedi should have done was focus on healthily dealing and controlling emotions to help one keep focused. Not to shun all emotion completely. Otherwise…you end up with sociopathic Jedi like Ki Adi Mundi.

[@matthewwalker367]

Yeah the Jedi order is a group that are encapable of controlling their emotions because they spend so much time hiding from them. Thus when they are forced to confront them they often times fail. The Jedi should be teaching their students to embrace positive emotions and how to deal with the bad emotions such as loss and pain. This was why during the Sith wars the Sith learned the best way to break a Jedi was to cause pain to the ones they care for. This is why Gray Jedi are so popular and powerful.

[@kingnamor7777]

@@matthewwalker367 In Nietzsche terms, the Jedi are the embodiment of slave morality. Another way of seeing this is that the Jedi are apathetic to the suffering of all life in the galaxy and only help out, out of obligation when they are nearby, not because they want to change anything or help. The Jedi are preventing the greater evil by not using their power to mold the galaxy as they see fit. If we see the Jedi from a lifelong linear experience, it gives a greater overview of how the Jedi teachings are anti-life. At a very young age the Jedi remove children that are force-sensitive from their families so that they do not form connections with their parents. Because family exerts a powerful influence on one deployment. With emotional bonds being a key point. The younglings grow up with their first memories being with the Jedi, only knowing the Jedi way, never forming any connections; learning the higher mysteries of the force and its techniques. They become zen, losing their ego, forgoing any selfish desire to never succumb to the dark side, teach a new generation this process and die of old age. What kind of life is that? It's such a waste of life and their time alive. By teaching their students to never value their life, never seeking any selfish desire and to accept their death as a natural part of life, the Jedi code....destroys...human nature. The Jedi teach their followers to become automations by following the code and losing their connections to humanity in the process. But even through such rigid training, human nature persists: it seeks conflict, desires adventures. It wants to exist and live. The greater your connections to life and other people. The more you are susceptible to falling to the dark side. But not all Jedi are emotionless individuals. Some are either orthodox Jedi or unorthodox Jedi. For example Qui-Gon Jinn, Anakin and Mace Windu.

[@crazyquirrels]

@UCbvRqlef1Q32C-H4UisIfng Right. The Jedi are essentially a Light Side cult. And many of their views of the Force are not incorrect. However, their aspiration to become “zen”, to abscond from selfish desires to avoid the dark side (and they do avoid, not confront) leads them generally to the following: pride, arrogance, self righteousness. Their teachings are flawed, and that is why they get purged by dark siders. Because they avoid the dark side and don’t confront it, just as they don’t confront their emotions, they avoid them. And therefore, they have no true emotional control. Especially with their adherence to “peacekeepers”. Sun Tsu put it best when he said, “In times of war, prepare for peace. In times of peace, prepare for war.” And there is another saying, “Better to have a warrior in the garden, than a gardener in a war.” (Though Lord of the Rings really throws that one out, cause Samwise Gamgee was definitely a gardener in a war, yet kicked some serious orc butt)

[@kingnamor7777]

@@crazyquirrels I agree with every word you just said here I especially like how you mention the Art of War as a reference. It all goes back to that big question. Is a Jedi still a Jedi. Without the force? Yes or No? Answer, yes because the Jedi order itself and their anti-life mindset and mentality. Is a belief system that follows the wrong path, time and again. As far as I'm concerned the galaxy itself is better off without the Jedi, Sith, the Hutts. Including without the Force. Because the force causes an endless cycle of wars. Life, death and rebirth. Its like poetry so it can rhyme.

[@crazyquirrels]

@@kingnamor7777 Those are the questions that plagued Kreia in KOTOR2, and she ultimately came to the same conclusion as you: that the galaxy would be better off without the Force. Though she was defeated by the Exile, much of her questions still linger. Need to be careful with “what ifs”. The true question I feel is: how is the Force connected to life? Is life the result of the Force, or is the Force the result of life? I’m inclined to believe in the latter, in which case, even if the galaxy was fully deafened, eventually there would come those who could hear it again. But even life itself moves in cycles.

[@sevenbike1182]

Luke said earlier in the episode that he doesn’t know if Grogu’s heart is in it and I think that this is Luke testing that and if Grogu takes the lightsaber Luke will still let him have the armour. This choice is more like a lesson that to be a Jedi you will have to make sacrifices, but that doesn’t mean you have to cut yourself off from every one else, Luke knows that better then anyone he lived it during the OT

[@Dont_care_4_U]

So that’s why the new jedi order fell they learned “ absolutely nothing!” From the old orders mistakes

[@Jmnzz]

It was a callback to episode 5. Luke knows Grogu will choose the armor the same way he chose Leia and Han. It would meld perfectly with the Luke from the EU (the real star wars sequels) who allows attachments in his new Jedi Order where he does abandon a lot of the old Jedi rules. Ahsoka knew this, she tells Luke he reminds her of his father which is why she just tells him to trust his instincts when he asks her what to do. You missed the subtlety in this one bud. Of course though the path set by the sequels unfortunately ruins the poetic writing done here it is still pretty damn brilliant in my opinion.

[@mike-mz6yz]

I think the sequels makes it hard to believe the potential subtle hints towards a good outcome. They have to write for the Luke Disney created. I just dont believe lucasfilm is going to contradict the sequels, especially not outside of a new movie.

[@jwchoi9823]

Spot on. He is sticking w the ST and so interpreted the scene the way he did.

[@Jmnzz]

@@mike-mz6yz Agreed. I think Jon and Dave are putting in as much of what should have been as they can but ultimately have no choice but to connect it to what is unfortunately set in stone by the Disney movies.

[@jwchoi9823]

@@Jmnzz I’m hoping that they deviate from the Disney movies. They know the movies are devisive and not as popular. No need to stick with something that has not been making money for them (or not as much money as they could’ve made) in movies, merchandising, attractions

[@Jmnzz]

@@jwchoi9823 I was hoping the same thing. Especially when Grogu became Luke's first student, which contradicts the sequels. But the moment I saw him giving Grogu a choice to stay or go back to Mando it all clicked for me. Still hoping the veil of the force shows up at some point in the Ahsoka series and the continuity is changed but as of right now it looks like Jon and Dave are saying "we know, but we can't right now" with this last episode of Boba Fett.

[@rebekah.2187]

What really bothered me about this episode was that it seemed like the only reason Ahsoka was there was to interfere with the training of a student that she didn't want to train. Neither Yoda nor Obi-Wan spoke to Luke about attachments, so, it seems as if Luke is getting this stuff about attachments from Ahsoka. And it also seems as if Ahsoka isn't telling Luke everything, at least she's not from my point of view. Yes, she saw what happened to Anakin because of his attachments, but who helped him work through his feelings and emotions? Nobody. The Jedi cut him off from his mother, and his reaction was to develop attachments to others, Padme, Ahsoka, and even Obi-Wan. Anakin even refused to leave R2 behind at one point. He was just expected to rejoice that those he loved returned to the Force. Nobody helped him learn to do that. The bond Grogu has with Din could motivate Grogu. Grogu isn't physically strong enough to learn how to fight like a Mandalorian right now anyway. He's safest with Luke and training in order to protect himself. Grogu was clearly happy when Din praised him after using the Force to take the shift knob. I think if Din and Luke presented a united front and told Grogu the best place for him to be right now is training with Luke, and that Din would come visit whenever he can, Grogu would have a renewed resolve to listen to Master Luke and work hard, so that Din would be proud of him when he came to see how he was progressing. The other thing that bothers me is that they seem to be ignoring his traumatic past. He's already lost so many people he knew. After an experience like that he's going to either accept that those he knows and loves will die, or hold them tighter for fear of losing them. Since Grogu seemed so willing to leave with Luke before, I think his heart not being in it has probably more to do with just missing all his new friends, especially Din, instead of actually losing him. Now, with this choice Luke has put before him, Luke has introduced the fear of actually losing Din. Before he was just missing Din, now he's facing thoughts of never seeing him again. I think the person who is going to learn a BIG lesson from this is Luke, maybe Ahsoka too. Let's hope so anyway. This whole idea of "no attachments" has a serious downside. Coupled with the "no learning about the Darkside" rule, it's just dangerous. OK, so what if a Jedi forms an attachment? He gets kicked out of the Order. Now what? There's a fully trained Force User with an attachment out there who might fall to the Darkside. What exactly have the Jedi "prevented" here? Sounds like they've caused a much bigger problem. It's better to allow attachments, help students accept that death is a part of life, and teach students to find balance between the Dark and Light sides of the Force. I remember Luke asking Yoda how to tell the Darkside from the Lightside. Yoda's answer was something about knowing when you are calm, at peace. I wonder if it was that small bit of knowledge, and his experience in the cave that kept him from going to the Darkside when fighting Vader in ROTJ. Luke recognized that he was giving into his anger and stopped himself.

[@hunterkiller1440]

I have a feeling Luke was more like giving Grogu a choice of train now or spend more time with your father then try again later

[@luisbarrios4430]

So you think he’ll be back with Rey?

[@DrewLSsix]

We know he didn't separate Ben from his family. We also know Palpatine used that to his advantage. It's no wonder Luke went through what he did, he tried to do better than the jedi and it still went south. So he went looking for deeper truths from the ancients and what he learned made him think the galaxy was better off without them all together.

[@grayski3324]

@@DrewLSsix But him just deleting the side that happens to be positive (the jedi) wouldn't just solve the issue. The sith didn't catch the memo of dissolving and they roamed freely while Luke was on suicide watch.

[@BargerClan]

I hate this version of Luke I prefer the legends material Luke.

[@kingnamor7777]

@@BargerClan Trust me. Many of us hate the Disney version of Luke Skywalker. I rather prefer Legends Luke in my opinion. They could've remake the Legends comics and books. But never did. Another reason why I liked to think that new sequel movies with Rey, Kylo Ren and Finn, never happened and isn't canon. As for Star Wars Rebels, Clone Wars, The Bad Batch and The Mandalorian did happen. Except for the fact that some of main cast of characters like Luke and Ahsoka would act more like their legends counterpart.

[@AnkhWolf]

I think the main problem with Luke (and Anakin in some regards) being a teacher is that he's naturally both talented and powerful in the Force meaning he just inherently understand how to do something or just brute forces the issue, so when a student is struggling with some aspect of their studies he won't know/understand how to help them where as with say Kanan teaching Ezra in Rebels not only does he admit he had difficulty as a Padawan but even while he's teaching Ezra he struggles with some subjects but once he understands them he's aware why Ezra might be having a problem learning it. Plus Ive always thought Luke got taught a very stripped down version of the Jedi ways, concentrating more on the combat related skills and skipping over a lot of the philosophy/spiritual side of things

[@jirkazalabak1514]

Well, Kanan never actually became a Jedi. His training was never completed, so it´s no wonder he had difficulties teaching others. But yeah, when trying to learn something, you should definitely go to the mediocre people for advice. A genius can be a terrible student and still graduate with straight As.

[@Reign14]

I personally think it's hilarious that jedi boast about being superior due to the fact that they don't give in to emotion and that peace is the answer, but almost their entire foundation is built on fear, and the other half would be to destroy the dark side (violence) lol. They completely contradict themselves time and time again

[@Balthorium]

If the mitichloriams (sp?) are just tiny organisms there’s no reason for all the quasi religious stuff. Their lame rules and cult like actions were self destructive and kinda smug.

[@kingnamor7777]

In Nietzsche terms, the Jedi are the embodiment of slave morality. Another way of seeing this is that the Jedi are apathetic to the suffering of all life in the galaxy and only help out, out of obligation when they are nearby, not because they want to change anything or help. The Jedi are preventing the greater evil by not using their power to mold the galaxy as they see fit. If we see the Jedi from a lifelong linear experience, it gives a greater overview of how the Jedi teachings are anti-life. At a very young age the Jedi remove children that are force-sensitive from their families so that they do not form connections with their parents. Because family exerts a powerful influence on one deployment. With emotional bonds being a key point. The younglings grow up with their first memories being with the Jedi, only knowing the Jedi way, never forming any connections; learning the higher mysteries of the force and its techniques. They become zen, losing their ego, forgoing any selfish desire to never succumb to the dark side, teach a new generation this process and die of old age. What kind of life is that? It's such a waste of life and their time alive. By teaching their students to never value their life, never seeking any selfish desire and to accept their death as a natural part of life, the Jedi code....destroys...human nature. The Jedi teach their followers to become automations by following the code and losing their connections to humanity in the process. But even through such rigid training, human nature persists: it seeks conflict, desires adventures. It wants to exist and live. The greater your connections to life and other people. The more you are susceptible to falling to the dark side. But not all Jedi are emotionless individuals. Some are either orthodox Jedi or unorthodox Jedi. For example Qui-Gon Jinn, Anakin and Mace Windu.

[@ntfoperative9432]

@@Balthorium the Midichlorions are not the force, they're how the Living force bonds with the cosmic force, this is explained in the current canon

[@Akiraspin]

To be fair, the Dark Side is almost universally abilities that involve causing pain and misery, not nice stuff. Not to mention nearly every well-known dark side user is either a psychopathic megalomaniac, or a dictatorial sociopath.

[@aweshetdima2157]

I think we're all forgetting one crucial Jedi rule here: There are no absolutes. Luke may very well be trying to teach Grogurt that you CAN have both....only if you really work for it.

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

What does he have to work for? Literally the only people standing between him and his father are luke and ahsoka

[@historicflame972]

Isn't there are no absolutes an absolute?

[@christophersanchez7731]

I have sad feeling about Luke’s test too In Legends, the New Jedi were encouraged to have attachments, to get married and have relationships Being acknowledged that it’s the fear of losing in attachments or obsession of attachments can lead to the Dark Side But by encouraging the new Jedi to embrace their emotions and pursue passions with control, many Jedi became great heroes With rare amount of them turning bad, and some who do became redeemed and became greater heroes Canon Luke I like to think two possibilities 1.) Luke is learning about the old Jedi and Is at first trying to live up to the old ways, with the possibility of him realizing it’s a mistake and may reform later on 2.) Luke is testing Grogu what he’ll choose. He may actually allow Grogu to take both paths, as Luke may decide take his Own reformed direction to the Jedi I’ll give benefit of the doubt and see where future episodes go

[@Nick_Skywalker]

Luke mainly is just testing his attachment and see where he truly wants to be. He learned from Yoda and Obi-Wan and attachment was a big deal within the Jedi during the republic era. Having grogu keep the armor will see he has attachment still and probably isn’t ready to be trained or at all maybe. I think he’ll pick the lightsaber probably

[@5against1radio58]

Totally agree

[@chickenn.waffles1558]

Obi Wan and Yoda never warn Luke against attachment. Obi Wan tells Luke that Anakin was "seduced by the dark side of the force," and even when Obi Wan and Yoda warm him against helping the others at Cloud City it's more because he's not strong enough to save them than it is about attachment. “Anger, fear, aggression. The dark side are they. Once you start down the dark path forever will it dominate your destiny.” I guess you could apply it to mean fear of letting go, fear of failing someone, fear of someone dying, but clearly attachment wasn't addressed in the original trilogy.

[@davidhollowood6580]

I don’t know if they ever delved into it but after losing his hand, losing his Han, and finding out what really happened to his father (and that his attraction to Leia was a little confused) Luke has at least some reason to respect Jedi lore about limiting ties to anything.

[@cory6266]

Jedi avoid attachment because it leads to being afraid to lose what you love. Only experience can teach you how to love without fear of loss, and fear leads to the dark side. So until a Jedi figures that out, attachment is strongly discouraged.

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

See HER has attachments? I thought Grogu was a boy.

[@spacechimp9823]

Yeah I felt the same when I watched that episode, just repeating the mistakes of the past order. Grogu could've been an amazing Jedi with that chainmail.

[@isaackim7675]

Luke should at least allow Grogu to wear the chainmail for protection when he goes on a mission

[@samuelansin8307]

That chainmail isn't gonna fit forever.

[@CaptainTreeJay]

@@samuelansin8307 mandorlians tend to reforge armor anyways. No reason mando can't take it melt it and add some more beskar to the melting and reforge it.

[@cory6266]

Rules against attachments was not the order's big mistake.

[@spacechimp9823]

@@cory6266 True, it was one among many

[@patrickproffett9947]

"Bring him a small coat of Mithril, I mean Beskar." Hilarious

[@ScaryBaldMan]

Your point about Grogu becoming the new Mandalore makes so much sense. He'd be the ideal person to wield the Darksaber.

[@Imthesoulofthes]

‘You may never The Mandolorian again’ Already letting the Trauma set in huh?

[@mattd2026]

You edited this comment and it's still phrased incorrectly

[@Imthesoulofthes]

@@mattd2026 that feeling when you may never the madilorism again 😔✊🏼

[@KingCobraLolcow]

It's not wrong he is giving him a choice to see how committed he is

[@raininglogic]

Except that he is essentially cornering a child into what appears to be a binding contract. There is a reason that many modern societies have laws against such things.

[@KingCobraLolcow]

@@raininglogic Fun fact: Star Wars isn't modern society

[@KingCobraLolcow]

@@orainefoster8316 People just don't look at the big picture these days

[@mr.crowgamer6250]

@@raininglogic laws are for lawyers grogu is given a choice many younglins if not most did not have a choice forget real world law for a second laws are made to keep man in check to keep us from rebelling

[@Aristocrat1cs]

@@raininglogic well said.

[@Taurussilver3000]

Anakin needed Qui-Gon to be the father figure that he never had. He would have been more sensitive to Anakin's feelings and would have respected the dreams he was having about Shmi. Obi-Wan was more of a big brother to Anakin and didn't have the maturity and experience that was needed to raise Anakin. Qui-Gon's absence in Anakin's life is what really caused his fall. The Jedi simply weren't prepared to support someone like him. That's why they ultimately failed him and that's why he fell to the darkside. Palpatine was the wise old friend who listened to Anakin's fears and concerns and took them seriously. This shows the importance of having the right role models in life. Choose the wrong one and it can screw you up badly.

[@grifscustomlightsabers3925]

I got a little mad at Luke during that scene. Grogu should throw the saber at him, grab the armor and bolt. The old jedi ways haven't worked out so well. Plus grogu is a confused and lonely child right now. Forcing him to make a decision like that on the spot is wrong. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

Same Luke comes off kinda like a dick in the episode to me. Hope grogu chooses the armor. No wonder your order fails Luke you suck as a leader.

[@matthewsmith2979]

It's a test

[@jiggleballs55]

Same I hated luke in that moment but then I realized what he was doing but I still hate him now

[@theramiam155]

I agree 100%!!! You said it just right!! This is the reason for the Jedi’s fall!!

[@kingnamor7777]

@@theramiam155 The Jedi teach their followers to become automations by following the code and losing their connections to humanity in the process. But even through such rigid training, human nature persists: it seeks conflict, desires adventures. It wants to exist and live. The greater your connections to life and other people. The more you are susceptible to falling to the dark side. But not all Jedi are emotionless individuals. Some are either orthodox Jedi or unorthodox Jedi. For example Qui-Gon Jinn, Anakin and Mace Windu.

[@Teardehawkee]

Luke is testing Grogu. The Empire Strikes Back 2.0. Grogu's choice.

[@GenerationTech]

New Jedi Order ain't looking too shabby now huh?

[@GenerationTech]

@@davidordaz5251 i was talking about the old legends books with the eu hehe

[@GenerationTech]

@@davidordaz5251 unfortunately we know its going to lead to failure and the end of the jedi

[@DarthBaras13]

Well the episode ended with a cliffhanger. Maybe Grogu puts on the beskar chainmail and then force grabs the lightsaber. Maybe Luke's test is to show Grogu it's possible to choose the best of both paths. Also on a practical level, having beskar chainmail would be a good thing to have if you are a Jedi novice.

[@GenerationTech]

one can only hope

[@manuxx3543]

Or he'll just use the force without light saber

[@rebekah.2187]

Yes, especially after Din's accident with the Darksaber.

[@TheStarwars1995]

@@GenerationTech Check out my brief theory: Boba by right will become Mand'alor. Din will combat Cad Bane for revenge against Cobb Vanth. Din struggles and Bane wins claiming the Darksaber then Boba beats Bane with his gaffi stick, claiming the Darksaber and uses Tusken melee form with it. Tatooine=new home for the Mandalorians🤓

[@kingnamor7777]

I agree. Beskar armor is a smart idea to have. For all Jedi younglings and padawan to have when they in the training field or on a mission.

[@riley_oneill]

I always thought it was strange that the Jedi didn't go free Anakin's mother, bring her to coruscant, get her set up in like a studio apartment and like a bullshit job or something. Just so she would be safe and Anakin would not be constantly thinking about his enslaved mother. Baby Yoda needs to grab both the Armor and the saber. I think he will end up leaving though and this will tie in him being trained by Ezra Bridger who is not so tied to Jedi orthodox as Luke.

[@blaster23456]

Maybe not the Jedi, but definitely Padme could probably do so quite easily.

[@cory6266]

Jedi were Republic law enforcement, and Tatooine was not part of the Republic, that's like asking why American cops don't arrest people in Mexico.

[@Cyfiero]

@@cory6266 That's actually not how Republic and Jedi jurisdiction has worked throughout the franchise. Jedi have always freely roamed outside official Republic territory if their mission requires it. Tatooine is only too far out their borders in the sense that the Republic can't be bothered to commit resources and manpower to annexing the planet, hold it, and govern it. But given Anakin's special status, it was absolutely not beyond reason for the Jedi to assign one mission with a couple Jedi to free one slave. Tatooine was virtually a lawless planet. It was under the Hutts' sphere of influence, and yet it was not even officially a part of Hutt Space. So it is not comparable to a sovereign state like Mexico. I am not even sure it ever had a unified planetary government to be afforded the status of sovereignty by the galactic community. We've only ever seen it comprised of several scattered settlements and the indigenous nomadic peoples.

[@cory6266]

@@Cyfiero And you don't think that maybe that's why a lot of planets had a problem with the Jedi? Getting away with doing something wrong doesn't make it right. The Order's biggest mistake was always becoming part of the Republic government.

[@Cyfiero]

@@cory6266 You're applying real-world international laws on Earth onto the _Star Wars_ galaxy. The galactic system of states is not the same as the one we know on Earth. The Jedi Order were few enough that the vast majority of the quadrillions of beings in the galaxy never even met one. For those that did meet a Jedi who was operating on a mission or such, common people were more likely to appreciate their help than feel like their presence was violated their people's sovereignty somehow. This is because for all their laws, the Jedi were by and large committed to helping innocent people. Those that did resent their intrusion were more likely to have been criminals. There are exceptions, of course, like the True Mandalorians who were framed and slaughtered by the Jedi at the Battle of Galidraan, or the Kaleesh when the Republic intervened on the side of their Huk enemies. But you are implying the very presence of Jedi in the Outer Rim would cause resentment, which is patently false. The Outer Rim is characterized by lax laws and sovereignty. Some of these worlds were too sparsely populated to have actual sovereign governments at the planetary level and therefore international galactic laws may not feel so relevant. While on other worlds, common people are unlikely to be especially conscious of the legal technicalities surrounding Jedi operations outside Republic space or care as long as they are being helped by these fabled warriors. The sense that Jedi operations in the Outer Rim is somehow this severe transgression implies that Outer Rim planets are like the developing countries on Earth which participate in an international community where international laws are highly relevant, but the Galactic Republic (like the United Nations albeit more consolidated) was that very galactic community. Countries in the form of individual planets sitting outside that galactic community would not find the international laws set by that very Republic relevant, by the very fact that they are not part of the Republic! These worlds _would_ be troubled if the Republic were to engage in imperialism against them, as some planets which defected to the CIS might have felt, but one or two Jedi on a single mission to help out some poor locals is not going to provoke cries of imperialism or foreign intrusion unless they dealt directly with the ruling elites. For example, the Jedi helping to free a slave would not feel wrong to common people. But somehow "wrong" to you here is the act of roaming outside Republic territory, which is strange when juxtaposed with the act of freeing a slave... Tatooine, again, barely had (or didn't even have) a sovereign planetary government. It would not have violated Tatooine laws for a Jedi to operate on Tatooine. Maybe it would have offended the Hutts, but Tatooine was not even officially part of Hutt Space, only under their sphere of influence via the criminal underworld-which by definition is _criminal._

[@johndavis2905]

I see this differently. The Choice reminds me of Lone Wolf And Cub, when Ogami Ittō has his son choose between a toy or a sword. If Daigorō chose the sword then he would join his father on the assassin's path, or the toy and be slain so as not to fall into the hands of his father's enemies. Not saying Luke intends to whack Gogurt, but give him the choice that all the other abducted children didn't have at the hands of the Jedi. Luke did say he didn't belive Gogurt's heart was in it (Jedi training), and Ashoka pointed out the strong attachment to Mando Dad. This would all amount to distraction and therfore Jedi training a waste of time and effort. I think Luke's decision here is wise and not folly. To achieve greatness one must focus and pour all of themself into their cause. What was that Master Yoda said? Do or do not, there is no try.

[@japetro3]

Yes I'm not the only one!

[@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_Homer]

You always see 95% of the community have a hate boner for the Jedi... because 95% of people are not fit to be Jedi. That's really all there is to it. Most fans who keep yapping about their "grey jedi" BS are people who just want to have their cake and eat it. They want all the badass super powers so that they can go around and feel like heros on their own terms, whenever and however they feel like it, simply to boost their own egos. Sorry, guys. It's not about you. If you just want to just live your existing life, score a hot wife/husband, have a large social circle of family and friends that you throw BBQs with every saturday... but have super powers on the side... then you should NEVER even be considered to become a Jedi. It's all about sacrificing every fiber of yourself to serve the world and fight evil. People act as if Christian or Buddhist monks/nuns don't exist. Those people would be fit to become Jedi. If the average neckbeard became force sensitive right now, 95% would start using the dark side within a day, and most would probably become closer to the Sith.

[@samvimes9510]

This part of the episode really bothered me. Luke wouldn't have any reason to prevent Grogu from making attachments, especially considering that it was familial attachment that ultimately brought Anakin back to the light. And for Ahsoka to be pushing the stringent beliefs of the temple is downright ridiculous. She's seen firsthand how attachment can be good. Look at Captain Rex, his strong will and attachment to her helped him resist Order 66 (sort of). And she didn't seem to have any problems with Kanan and Ezra, even though they weren't following the Jedi's rigid code.

[@cory6266]

You're misunderstanding the rule. Jedi avoid attachment because fear of loss leads to the dark side. If they can learn how to love someone without being afraid of losing them, they are completely free to do so. But that's very difficult to do, and they can't just _tell_ young Jedi that, because you don't give away the answer to the philosophical lesson to the person you're trying to teach it to, or they learn nothing.

[@unknowngames5036]

exactly, ahsoka here isn't ahsoka, she's got a completely different character

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

@@unknowngames5036 She's been through a lot. Like seeing her master become a monster.

[@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_Homer]

@@cory6266 Holy shit. A person with a brain and an ounce of spirituality. That's something you don't see everyday in the Star Wars community.

[@kingnamor7777]

@@cory6266 In Nietzsche terms, the Jedi are the embodiment of slave morality. Another way of seeing this is that the Jedi are apathetic to the suffering of all life in the galaxy and only help out, out of obligation when they are nearby, not because they want to change anything or help. The Jedi are preventing the greater evil by not using their power to mold the galaxy as they see fit. If we see the Jedi from a lifelong linear experience, it gives a greater overview of how the Jedi teachings are anti-life. At a very young age the Jedi remove children that are force-sensitive from their families so that they do not form connections with their parents. Because family exerts a powerful influence on one deployment. With emotional bonds being a key point. The younglings grow up with their first memories being with the Jedi, only knowing the Jedi way, never forming any connections; learning the higher mysteries of the force and its techniques. They become zen, losing their ego, forgoing any selfish desire to never succumb to the dark side, teach a new generation this process and die of old age. What kind of life is that? It's such a waste of life and their time alive. By teaching their students to never value their life, never seeking any selfish desire and to accept their death as a natural part of life, the Jedi code....destroys...human nature. The Jedi teach their followers to become automations by following the code and losing their connections to humanity in the process. But even through such rigid training, human nature persists: it seeks conflict, desires adventures. It wants to exist and live. The greater your connections to life and other people. The more you are susceptible to falling to the dark side. But not all Jedi are emotionless individuals. Some are either orthodox Jedi or unorthodox Jedi. For example Qui-Gon Jinn, Anakin and Mace Windu.

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

Luke to Grogu: don't eat that, talk like this, relive your trauma, dodge these attacks, hold back a gift and not say who gave it. I 'd leave too!

[@alistairgrey5089]

We have to remember that Luke isn't a Jedi master. He's an exceptionally talented Jedi knight but he lacks the experience and wisdom necessary to be a true master. He is learning what being a Jedi means to him just as much as he is trying to teach Grogu the ways of the force. I think this "choice" isn't really a choice at all. I think it's a lesson in and of itself. A way to show Grogu that he can have loved ones but that the greater good must come first.

[@ravanpee1325]

He's Not a Jedi - member of the Jedi Order - at all but a Grey Jedi like Ahsoka

[@alistairgrey5089]

@@ravanpee1325 that was true for the EU but it has not been made canon yet. Though I would enjoy a story in the new canon that says that.

[@ravanpee1325]

@@alistairgrey5089 Also it would make sense, because he made the same decision in Episode 5. Also his new order wouldn't be set up to repeat the mistakes from the past

[@alistairgrey5089]

@@ravanpee1325 it would make sense but I don't know if Disney is going to tell that story or not. They are interested in money though and Luke sells so they just might.

[@ravanpee1325]

@@alistairgrey5089 Yeah, but they will do just cheap fan service like in this Episode instead of giving him a prober backstory. Many fans got what they wanted and don't care. Maybe they will bring Han or Lea back too in the next episode just for the short term attention :D

[@Hound831]

Cade Bane's eyes were unholy.

[@GenerationTech]

the teeth was what freaked me out

[@Hound831]

@@davidordaz5251 Didn't say his appearance look bad. He looks intimidating. I wouldn't want those eyes watching me from a dark alley.

[@richardseemungal6107]

I see some people not liking lukes choice that he gave grogu but it's pretty smart . He fixing the mistakes of the Jedi which is basically kidnapping force sesative children and turning them into into warriors against their will . Instead he is giving them a choice do you want to be one with the force of just live your life .

[@tenderhearthero9602]

Honestly, with Luke, I highly doubt he didn't take some meditation and study into Grogu's situation. Mandalorian culture has to have some sort of lore that was well known in the galaxy, and even if it wasn't, Luke has the know how to access enough information on it. Taking this into consideration, two clashing dogmas are presented. The scene that I think is playing in Luke's mind on this dilemma with Grogu is when Han and Leia were tortured to lure him to Vader in Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back. The attachment he had for his friends cost him his hand. It was a potent and painful lesson. It helped Luke realize he couldn't always be there for his friends or family, and it became even more real when he faced the death of Yoda, who had barely taught him anything about the force. Life would move on without him whether or not he was ready for it to do so. His enemies would target all he was attached to in hopes of destroying him and Vader almost succeeded that night when Luke found out he was his father. Now, his faith in the goodness of his father and refusal to kill him saved Vader. With that in mind, Luke knows that Grogu can offer the same power of kindness and faith in whatever he chooses. Mandolorian culture reminds me more of clan loyalty, honor where you come from, and you are strongest together. This attachment is doubled down with the need to be more powerful than anything that can take out you or your clan. This is not only risky, but also entails a trail of blood that will follow any Mandalorian seeking to protect themselves and their loved ones. The Darkside is fed on fear and fear of losing loved ones caused Anikan Skywalker to fall. I think it is a wise thing that Luke offers Grogu only one choice and not both.

[@soraisfinallyhere1305]

This makes no sense as there was already a Mandalorian Jedi. So why can’t Grogu be the second.

[@sixtenpettersson3814]

I literally called out “Is that Cad Bane!?” As soon as you could see his silhouette

[@pringleaddict5827]

I just find it confusing because Luke had friends while being a jedi , and it worked for him

[@ayedhanpharmr11]

Luke was attached to his aunt and uncle, aswell as Ben and yoda. Later, it was leia and Han. Why is he trying to isolate grogu?

[@ThomasFishwick]

I’ve long held the hope that there were several successes before the failure of Ben Solo. That there are still Jedi, in secret across the Galaxy. Perhaps Grogu is one of those. Then again… it’s also been my head cannon that the reason Luke failed is because the Jedi were on a road to failure. They were so afraid of the Dark Side that they effectively crippled themselves, self imposed limits weakened their connection to the greater Force. That is how Palpatine was able to deceive them so completely. Luke failed because he did not learn from those past mistakes, merely repeating them

[@DJMarcO138]

Correct, and that is clear in his conversation with Yoda as the tree on Ach To burns.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

Exactly this

[@kingnamor7777]

In Nietzsche terms, the Jedi are the embodiment of slave morality. Another way of seeing this is that the Jedi are apathetic to the suffering of all life in the galaxy and only help out, out of obligation when they are nearby, not because they want to change anything or help. The Jedi are preventing the greater evil by not using their power to mold the galaxy as they see fit. If we see the Jedi from a lifelong linear experience, it gives a greater overview of how the Jedi teachings are anti-life. At a very young age the Jedi remove children that are force-sensitive from their families so that they do not form connections with their parents. Because family exerts a powerful influence on one deployment. With emotional bonds being a key point. The younglings grow up with their first memories being with the Jedi, only knowing the Jedi way, never forming any connections; learning the higher mysteries of the force and its techniques. They become zen, losing their ego, forgoing any selfish desire to never succumb to the dark side, teach a new generation this process and die of old age. What kind of life is that? It's such a waste of life and their time alive. By teaching their students to never value their life, never seeking any selfish desire and to accept their death as a natural part of life, the Jedi code....destroys...human nature. The Jedi teach their followers to become automations by following the code and losing their connections to humanity in the process. But even through such rigid training, human nature persists: it seeks conflict, desires adventures. It wants to exist and live. The greater your connections to life and other people. The more you are susceptible to falling to the dark side. But not all Jedi are emotionless individuals. Some are either orthodox Jedi or unorthodox Jedi. For example Qui-Gon Jinn, Anakin and Mace Windu.

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

I believe Luke is also learning how to properly teach with Grogu, so it would be reasonable that he is commiting this mistakes so he can learn how to properly be a Jedi Master I'm sure he eventually would realize that the best route would be Let the past behind and form a new generation of Jedi that would Let the attachments and emotions help them to protect the galaxy. But like everything, it starts in humble begginings, and that is what we are watching right now

[@cameronheaton9900]

No don't leave the past behind, learn from both the success and the failures. Especially the failures, for failure is the greatest teacher.

[@CortexNewsService]

Exactly this

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

@@CortexNewsService that's what I wanted to say, leave the past behind but take the lessons it teaches you, thanks for expanding that part

[@kingnamor7777]

@@alejandroelluxray5298 I agree. Don't leave the past behind, but learn from its mistakes and failures from the past. So history doesn't repeat itself.

[@stephenslayer7235]

This is why Kylo fucked everything up

[@devenmacintosh4124]

The Disney Star Wars movies just fucked up so many characters and storylines all together. Kyle had such huge potential to be a fantastic character

[@ultrabrian8151]

He’s testing Grogu.

[@ernestop6501]

Yoda's Last words to Luke Pass On What You Have Learned....he is doing his best.

[@refugeehugsforfree4151]

Love the videos been watching for a couple years. keep up the amazing videos. like these types of videos where you look at certain orders or groups and break them down.

[@devaughnjohnson]

Attachment isn’t the problem it’s whether it’s a secure attachment or an insecure or avoidant form of attachment knowing someone loved an cared for him could save Grogu from turning into Kylo ren

[@GenerationTech]

Unfortunately there’s no place for nuance amongst the jedi

[@JuniperoHendricks]

Jedi only deal in absolutes, O wait

[@tokenstandpoint93]

Right when I finished watching this episode I was so annoyed I posted the following on my social media "the whole lesson the Jedi of Luke's era learned from the Clone Wars was how misguided the Jedi dogma was and how he improved it" then a friend reminded me "There's Star Wars Expanded Universe canon and that there's Star Wars Disney canon." This again reminds me why I miss the Expanded Universe for the most part.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

“The Jedi, with their damnable sense of over-caution, would tell you love is something to avoid. Thankfully, anyone who's even partially alive knows that's not true. Love doesn't lead to the dark side. Passion can lead to rage and fear, and can be controlled... but passion is not the same thing as love. Controlling your passions while being in love... that's what they should teach you to beware. But love itself will save you... not condemn you.” “Love causes pain, certainly. Inevitably love is going to lead to as much sorrow and regret as it does joy. I suppose there are perfect, eternal loves out there... but I haven't seen any. How you deal with the bad part of love is what determines your character, what determines the dark side's hold over you.” “Bah. A life without risk is boring. Is that how you want to live? You want love, you've got to fight for it. I'll tell you one thing: sometimes, no matter how hard you try, you and the one you love simply aren't meant to be together. The trick is to know when that is, to know when it's time to fight and when it's time to part ways.” -JOLEE BINDO, TO REVAN, WHEN DISCUSSING LOVE

[@williamheath7058]

Ahsoka: making him choose between the jedi and who he cared about is what made your father fail Luke: what! you mean like this ?

[@seanmccurdy80]

The sequel trilogy doesn't exist. Search your heart, you know it to be true...

[@da-vidcargill4975]

Piss off with the lies they are Canon

[@CrowBag]

@@da-vidcargill4975 oh youre in all the all the comments. We get it, you have shit taste in movies 🤡

[@Brendan-4653]

When I saw that seen I thought that was extremely messed up when he made him choose between between the chain mall or the light saber both could protect him and the 2 combined could protect him even more also this is this also one of the reasons the Jedi order fell making someone choose between loved ones or the order

[@captnann]

Interesting ideas. Something you didn't bring up that hit me when watching this episode is that history is repeating itself: Grogu did the same thing Luke did when he ran off to help Leia & Han and Master Yoda told Luke not to go and that he would not return (he did, but Yoda was dying). Grogu does have an immense attachment to the Mandalorian, so the foundling chooses the Beskar armor and takes Luke's ship to go help the Mando. Luke needs to remember this fact, that Grogu did the same thing, leaving to help his friend/father figure, and then the Mando was (presumably) taking him back to Luke to finish training. I hope this gets at least a nod if not resolved in the future. Thanks for another thought provoking video.

[@acrazysheepdog1555]

I thought it was strange, EU Luke was encouraging to Jedi’s attachments, not telling them to hide them but to embrace them, but to also learn restraint and to not let one’s attachments become obsessions which could lead them to the Dark Side. He seems to be going to the more dogmatic ways of the old Jedi, which I hope is not the case.

[@stephenslayer7235]

I was thinking the same thing

[@attackonponyproductions4927]

Finally! I was so mad at how Luke gave Grogu that ultimatum and I was wondering if others had an issue with it.

[@fundyproductions5927]

Think Baby Yoda Think!!! You will outlive everybody you know and love.

[@eddieram435]

I'm sure the little guy will probably choose the Mando ways over the Force. He doesn't seem too atuned to it and gets distracted very easily which is a fault if the little guy was facing an adversary that will take advantage of that. Ever since the little guy is never mentioned in the sequels, either he died when Kylo Ren destroyed the Jedi enclave or maybe he went the Mando way.

[@TimCortesi]

As much as it was fun to see young Luke again, it's probably better than he and Grogu part ways sooner vs. later. The knowledge that all of Luke's pupils get slaughtered and Luke turns into a giant tool makes this whole thing painful to watch. Unless they're going to do a big StarTrek / parallel timelines time travel retcon to undo the sequels, I'm not really interested in watching Luke slowly fall apart, and taking Grogu down with him.

[@eddieram435]

@@TimCortesi I can take it be fine with it...Luke Skywalker is not a superhero, but a Jedi Master with talents and faults which makes him a more likable character.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

Long pilgrimages and years of meditation alone are necessary parta of the Jedi way. Given Grogu is a species capable of living centuries I would not be surprised at his "teenage" coming of age pilgrimage consisting of DECADES of him roaming the galaxy in obscurity and helping/following the force when and where he can. This is just one possibility though.

[@DarthAxolotl]

Luke isn't telling grogu to not feel emotions, he's telling him that he needs to commit to one path or another. If he continues his training he may not see mando again as grogu lives far longer. Everyone seems to think that luek is trying to get rid of emotions

[@thereturningshadow]

Luke: You must chose one or the other. Obiwan: Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[@dieseljester3466]

Not to mention that igniting that Lightsaber in front of Groku probably triggered some massive PTSD from Order 66.

[@theobsidianodor858]

I don't know, I think we might be assuming too much of Luke's motivation. Perhaps Ashoka and Luke are not on the same page? Maybe choosing the armor is the choice Luke wants to see. If attachment is such a no, no, why did he train Leia or Ben Solo? Is nepotistic exceptions the way of the Jedi?

[@riley_oneill]

I think Luke might be in over his head and is trying to give Baby Yoda the choice as an easy way out. He is worried he can't train him and isn't ready to be a master yet but doesn't want to kick him out or get rid of him. It would be way easier for him to just create some bullshit false choice to give Baby Yoda an easy way out. Maybe Luke will be visited by a Force Ghost of Yoda/Obi-Wan/Anakin who tells him this is a mistake.

[@rebekah.2187]

Yes, if it's such a no, no, and Luke had attachments to Leia, Han, and Chewie, as well as being too old to begin the training, why did Yoda train him? I know Luke said he wanted to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like his father, but Yoda didn't like what he had seen in Luke as he was growing up. He wanted adventure and excitement, and his mind was never on where he was, what he was doing. BUT he trained him anyway. (Now that I'm looking at it, I think Yoda broke more "rules" training Luke than he did in letting Obi-Wan train Anakin.) Now that I've said all that though, Grogu kind of reminds me of Luke. Haha! Grogu's mind not being on where he is and what he is doing, but on froggy snacks. Poor kid. He did try to ignore it and go back to meditating.

[@devo1977s]

I'm still leaning towards Asoka was supposed to die in Rebels and because Ezra saved her it changed the future from endor onwards

[@theDAVIScomplex]

Bro you calling him "Gogurt" is the funniest thing ever!

[@davidalonsosariego2618]

I think part of the reason Luke comits the same errors as the Jedi before him is because he doesn't know they failed. His first impresion of the Jedi came from Obi Wan and Yoda who had idealized views of the old Jedi Order. For him his masters are what a Jedi should be but he ignores that what made them that way was not their training. Obi Wan is exceptional amongst the Jedi because even tho he had very strong emotions he knew how to deal with them, but this is against the Order's vision who wanted a complete repression of emotion, and even tho Yoda had less intense emotions he was wise enough to deal with them carefull. But despite all of this, they both failed to see the errors of the Jedi until it was to late. They were exceptional individuals in the system but they weren't able to see that what made them that way was not their training but themselves, so they passed this view to Luke who now shares their biased views of the old order.

[@Wittekop07]

The whole not allowing attachment thing is just stupid imo. It doesn't even make sense Luke himself has a strong attachment himself with his sister and his father to an extent. I think the writers of the show shouldn't have wrote it this way and let Luke make a new Jedi Order without the stupid rules that don't even make sense.

[@Nebulasecura]

Not to mention that legends did it much better

[@joerents7902]

I dont think this is really an absolute test by Luke. I have to believe he is not ignorant of Tarre Vizsla the Mando Jedi.😬

[@LontEnCaras]

I hope that no matter what Grogu chooses, Luke will just be like "interesting." and still give him both!

[@joerents7902]

@@LontEnCaras lol. True because if Yodi who will outlive everyone doesn't get trained properly and falls into the wrong hands, the whole galaxy would be in trouble.

[@prezodent2371]

A scene straight out of lone wolf and cub

[@gregorylieber8362]

I love the commitment to calling him Gogurt

[@stephenrodriguez8307]

So glad you made this video. Just because we see training, doesn't mean it's good. Luke proved that relationships bring strength. The choice Luke gave Grogu was a step back from where he has come from. It doesn't really make sense that he is teaching things he rejected when being trained.

[@mr.m4297]

In Luke's defense he was a brand new Master and only cause no one else is left or wants the the job cough cough Ahsoka. And Yoda also taught him differently then any other Jedi he ever trained especially when you consider Dooku and Anakin both falling to the dark side and how powerful they were and Luke having even more potential with no dark side influences besides himself. But that's just my humble opinion lol

[@WASpectrum]

I love how you consistently call Grogu gogurt.

[@imacenagirl]

Great upload, but I was laughing when you called him go-gurt not grogu

[@chrismen8499]

Luke is different though he himself believed and sense good in Vader even though he was pure evil. And even he disobeyed when Yoda was teaching him to go save his friends "attachments". He is more of an open minded and he is giving grogu the option to choose

[@dragonstryk7280]

It's not just wrong, it's literally antithetical to Luke as a character. His last big win as a character was five years ago, at the Battle of Endor, when he leaned into his attachments, to both Vader and Leia, to overcome and redeem his father, who then put an end to the Sith in a final act of sacrifice. Prior to that, he twice rejected the concept of not being attached to those he cares about, once in ESB, right before he was made Forcibly left handed when Vader went into "Daddy spank" mode, and again in Rotj when he refused Obi-Wan's telling him he had to kill his father. It's one of the most iconic scenes in cinema history.

[@TheJannasmith]

Watching Luke tell Grogu he can’t have attachments is weird considering he’s had as many wives as King Henry VIII (in the comics).

[@katieandkevinsears7724]

Are you calling Grogu Gogurt? That's what I'm hearing and it's hysterical! Like a callback to Space Balls and Yogurt.

[@joebuckley2180]

The "sequels" are not Canon and you can't convince me otherwise.

[@CrowBag]

They can just make it all a fever dream for Luke

[@da-vidcargill4975]

Haha deluded fools they are canon you crybabies

[@joebuckley2180]

@@CrowBag a vision of a future inflicted upon Luke by Darth Krayt to attempt to break Luke's spirit and belief in himself and the light side of the force

[@daemonblackfyre3238]

I agree with you. Luke is totally wrong. It was his attachment to his father that brought Vader back to the light. Luke is holding on to his Yoda connection and wants that for Grogu. Grogu can be both Jedi AND Mandolorian.

[@daemonblackfyre3238]

@@davidordaz5251 not true. There was a Mandolorian Jedi before.

[@owenschwartz5981]

I always love it when these channels show that one picture of the Jed’aii of the one guy who looks like Dave Mustaine lmao

[@oaktreeholler]

He could use the force to grab both at once. I honestly hope that's what happens 😆 Might also be a teaching lesson to the Jedi.

[@toby1061]

I think he may go Mando, but I think he I’ll go Jedi, it would somewhat ruin the story if Gogurt just went to the Mandalorian, I think the Sequels really screw this decision over as it basically means Kylo either killed Gogurt or Gorgurt went with Mando. At the end of the day Gogurt will outlive Mando and everyone he loves, and I think this is what Luke is trying to teach him.

[@backtothefutureman1]

*Grogu

[@freighttrain5575]

I don't understand why Luke thinks this way. How could he believe, just like the previous Jedi, that attachments are wrong and lead you to the darkside. Luke has attachments to his friends, his sister, and his father. Telling Grogu that he can't have physical attachments is so hypocritical. So I don't know why the writers thought this was okay.

[@nathanl6401]

11:00 Anakin needed a Jed-IEP

[@mikepribble7477]

You know what, thank you! I am so glad to not be the only one to notice that about the training!

[@Shawn-363]

Luke is doing the right thing. Instead of taking the child and forcing him to become a Jedi by circumstance, he’s giving him a choice. Isn’t that the criticism that people leveled at the Jedi of the republic? Luke is doing the opposite and giving this child a choice. Do you want to be a Jedi or be with your friend, the Mando?

[@namasbouer4075]

The way these stories are still locked by the disaster that is the sequels is awful. I know its baseless hope but I really wish Dave and John can somehow bypass with the fact time travel through the force is now canon as shown in rebels.

[@jasonpower6578]

Luke’s Jedi order in legends allowed attachments because he believed that if people did turn to the dark side then they could redeem that person. Also in the original trilogy Luke had an attachment to his friends and his father which allowed Hume to save them all

[@sophied.1647]

You calling Grogu Gogurt throughout the entire video is hilarious.

[@Il-JayD-lI]

Is he saying gogurt on purpose? Am I missing something?! Lol 😂

[@christiangregersjrgensen3828]

automatic subtitles turned "the Jedi temple" into "Jihadi temple". I'm dying of laughter

[@wesadams5128]

Yea I was kinda pissed when Luke told him to choose between the two. I'm hoping grogu picks both and Luke says it's a wise decision to keep the bond with mando

[@Sashman1234]

Grogu can't be Mandalorian, because his cute little ears won't fit under a helmet :D

[@christopherpeters6365]

Well thought out and fleshed out postulations brother, awesome!🌹

[@pokenaut7803]

Yeah, I’m a bit annoyed, Return of the Jedi proved to Luke that being a Jedi meant holding onto his attachment and helping his father. All of the Jedi and Sith (Yoda, Kenobi and the Emperor) asked him to kill Vader, but he refused out of love and his faith that his father could still become the Jedi he thought he was. The Old Jedi order forbaded attachment because of their fear and corruption. Luke shouldn’t do the same.

[@imacenagirl]

I love Luke and the gang, always will but I was devastated when Grogu left Mando and am so glad he chose to go back to him

[@pastabenda2415]

It's not the attachment that leads to the dark side. It's the irrational fear of loosing it that does. Like with Anakin and Padme.

[@bambino100011]

Luke can do whatever he wants 🤣 In the words of Yoda, “Do what Luke will do…..will do….”