Why Odin Isn't In Valhalla and Tyr Is - God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Secrets

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[@shawnoconnor4633]

There’s also the fact that Oden had his soul literally destroyed into pieces by Sindri, kinda hard go to Valhalla when all four pieces your soul destroyed

[@m-w-y7325]

Well none of other Norse gods that were killed and had intact souls were seen in Valhalla aside from Magni and Modi being conjured by Krato's thoughts. Besides that there is no explanation given how even dead people enter Valhalla since its said they are experiencing their own version of it separate from others. So its possible they are in their own Valhalla, incase of Odin however he is truly gone forever like Brok.

[@Outlaw7263]

​@@m-w-y7325Valhalla is huge. They're each possibly in their own personal corner of Valhalla

[@SeriousDragonify]

Playerbase already assume Odin transferred his soul into crow Mudin.

[@eddieth3rev]

@@m-w-y7325 i agree with you about this theory, but we see and hear Sigrun tell Kratos that Valhalla has different compartments, so the part we hear in both games about Valhalla's halls being full with past warrior's and the courtyard where they fight is a different compartment. On the other hand, Kratos only encounters past enemies, so the compartment in which Kratos is could be the place that some gods or people go to understand their mentality and to watch what they did in their life and reflect, so that they can be accepted in Valhalla.

[@kasumiayanami4501]

I mean... Valhalla does hold the souls of fallen warriors (I think?) So you'd need a soul to enter besides being a valiant warrior when you were alive.

[@simonf9160]

I’m glad the real Tyr had more time to shine in this DLC

[@LilJMoore]

Yep. And a Boss battle on top of that. I felt he should have been a super boss for endgame.

[@TheHeston83]

yeah I like this version than his Imposter

[@hades392able]

I hope they eventually make a prequel game where you play as tyr, he is a God of war, and the weapons we see him use in the boss fights could be weapons we gain throughout the game

[@sakaiclips]

True

[@mcmewsen]

And he was everything we hoped he would be. Wise. Patient. Likable. Badass.

[@Kuraerisu]

Based on the hieroglyphs on his arm and knowing a bit about Egyptian mythology we can assume he had help from Osiris, who himself was famously sliced into pieces and put back together.

[@playstationarusu]

That's actually an amazing mythology detail I hadn't picked up on

[@Brainflayer]

Huh, make sense, plus Osiris is God of the Underworld so perhaps that was the "Glancing involvement with The Underworld" Tyr mentioned.

[@acgearsandarms1343]

That was with help though. Osiris didn’t put himself back together. He’d be better off seeking help from Isis or Horus.

[@wyslanniknewworldorder9525]

Someone too gets put *back together* but in robot suit of greenish rabbit.

[@fallen_angelmemesforlife9172]

​@@wyslanniknewworldorder9525 stop this shit man.

[@ArmoredG]

Tyr mastered himself, mastered valhalla's rules. Like the game always told us "Master thyself, master valhalla"

[@alexg.6803]

Odin himself said there would have been no Valhalla for him when he would have died, and what he was truly looking for in the rift was to know where he would have gone when the moment for him would come. Valhalla was a not so special place for Odin: not only he apparently explored it trying to gain control of the Valkyries (wich he eventually did, since they are subdued to him and hostile to us in God of War 2018), but he also used its warriors as undead soldiers in his army. It only makes sense that, in death, Odin was never supposed to go to Valhalla in the first place, since for him it was a place like any other wich he could visit at any moment.

[@eidorianeagle5806]

He could travel there because he hanged himself.

[@johnwinchesterp2963]

I suppose odin tried the usual bs he did to manipulate valhalla and it worked but Valhalla banished him in return. Valhalla has its own rules.

[@mahmoodm5897]

​@@johnwinchesterp2963but didn't Odin created valhalla ?

[@johnwinchesterp2963]

@@mahmoodm5897 I don't know about the game lore on this.

[@deadmanexperience724]

​@@mahmoodm5897 probably primordial thingy ig

[@KN-cl2tu]

I remember listening to Mimir saying Tyr grew back his arm and thought “what is he a lizard!”. I like Tyr version better

[@jaderabbit898]

And more efficient too. Turns out, you only need to have a part of you died than the whole you to be considered 'dead'.

[@garrettjackson1451]

@@jaderabbit898we need to get the full story on how Tyr got his arm back and I want to hear it from him as he said it involved the underworld. Probably the Duat the Egyptian underworld considering said arm is covered in hieroglyphs

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

Odin died in Ragnarok while Tyr is just chilling there after doing Yoga and traveling to foreign countries

[@seat0_294]

Very resourceful god indeed -dealt with garm -regains his arm -gets free access to valhalla

[@triadwarfare]

Unfortunately, Mimir's wasn't free. It costed him his body, a feeling of being decapitated by the Frost Axe, and the uncertainty that Freya would revive him after what he did to her, and he has to live the rest of his life attached in Kratos' waist.

[@seat0_294]

@@triadwarfare tbf, Mimir did a lot of shit (biggest of being Odin's advisor), meanwhile Tyr had been going around, getting enlightened and trying to make changes for the embetterment of the 9 realms. All the while having to oppose his actual father who is also the cheif Aesir god. Don't get me wrong, what Odin did to Mimir was still fucked. But Tyr is a different person.

[@akuladoctor7355]

His soul was smashed. Also we are not fully sure, if he is not there. We only explore a tiny piece of Valhalla, and not the whole thing. Or it could be, that Odin also in his own personal Valhalla separated from everyone.

[@user-kz7cn1bv8m]

Odin is mimir. The real mimir is at the bottom of the world tree where nidhog was. Odin hide the real mimir there.

[@TheHeston83]

Odin is gone stop trying to want that tyrant back

[@ennieminymoo6675]

Odin said it himself to Atreus, there is no Valhalla waiting for him

[@BigDaddyRich69]

Bruh nice try troll​@@user-kz7cn1bv8m

[@supergirlvideoclips894]

Odin confirmed to Atreus/Loki that there is no Valhalla for him and other Gods.

[@BailensdeLykenos]

"Well, it grew back" i think Mimir has no idea how Tyr got his arm back lol, Tyr said it involved the underworld though and hopefully we see Mimir pursue some deal in Helheim

[@garrettjackson1451]

I think it invoked the Egyptian underworld the Duat as the arm that got severed has Egyptian hieroglyphics on it maybe Tyr will explain the full story someday in a future game

[@hiropisku1078]

I love that since Fenrir isn't around yet to bite Tyr's arm off, they replace him with Garm instead.

[@Kidna_el_Invicto]

Interesting, I've always saw Valhalla as the classic part of Asgard where th worthy warrios eat and drink so much as they wish until the Ragnarok come, but in the God of War version appartently Valhalla existed way before even Odin's kingdom in Asgard were build and he simply took it for himself, trying to use it to gain more knowledge and finally to train his army. Besides this version of Valhalla is not an edonist paradise of food and drink, but a force who tries to make you a more whole person in peace with yourself

[@TheDarkMaster312]

Valhalla won't let you into the paradise without some sort of understanding, as Fey says. Some people stay in the combat because they prefer it, some get to the drinks and orgies once the combat is done. But it never stops, oh no.

[@Kidna_el_Invicto]

Ooh, I see, I didn't remember that part

[@thechosenone5421]

There is a paradise though, but you need to go to valhalla's trials first

[@carlofaustino9373]

Tyr is in Valhalla by technicality. Odin had his soul smashed

[@ProWalter2]

I remember him saying that there's no Valhalla for him after he dies in the base Gamez and that what drives him to constantly obsess over what comes next

[@SaintGrench]

"He bit my arm off!" everyone looking at his two arms "...I got better."

[@missyummy1040]

How about a vid about Tyr showing off all his powers and abilities, a move list type of thing

[@SilentRaider53]

I love how Tyr is a bit embarrassed on how he qualifies for Valhalla. Shows him to be a more relatable character to me.

[@MrFrankEast]

VGS if you read this completely unrelated to this video in particular never change your intro man. I always watch your videos late at night and I feel like im chilling at a 1960s late night diner when I click on your videos man such a good intro never change it

[@VideoGameSophistry]

Dude I never will - just for you pal

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

Tyr is certainly become my fav character.

[@kienphucnguyen2001]

2:40 garm bit his arm off but it grew back

[@Thehiddenmoran]

I know the main game was released a year ago but it can't be that easy to forget that sindri smashed odin's soul.

[@HellishSpoon]

love that tyr is there only by technicality

[@pedport.20]

Amazing!

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

Ok, so from what we learn here, only those who either died or lost a part of themselves could enter Valhalla, since Odin probaby already lost his eye when he went in and Tyr his arm when he did. It fits very well of the Norse belief of honorable death, since if you were injured in battle you were respected as a veteran, like how Spartans did the same with the elderly

[@BlazeIgnitus]

It's less the fact Tyr lost part of himself, and more that he went into Helheim to get his arm back. It was a brief journey, but because he was in the realm of the dead, Valhalla counted it.

[@Kjf365]

Odin literally hung himself to try and get a glimpse of knowledge from it. He qualifies for the "You have to have died" stipulation.

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

@@Kjf365 Oh yeah, forgot about that. He probably went to Valhalla during his death before both it and the World Tree itself spat him out

[@vvolfsmal]

Bonus points: mythologically accurate end of Odin would be that he would die in Ragnarok, along with Thor, Freyr and a handful of others. Thor yeets Jörmungandr back in time (hence the blink you see in the game) and dies shortly thereafter. Odin is killed by Fenrir (mythologically accurate) and is avenged by his son, Vidar, or the silent/revenge god in Norse mythology. Now, here's the fun bit - and the really contested bit - Baldr is said to return after the events of Ragnarok and sets about with the other survivors of the Aesir to rebuild things for the better. BUT since Ragnarok is potentially a Christian add-on to original Norse sagas, take that with a grain of salt.

[@grimtunes3527]

Týr said "regain my arm" not "retrieve". I was confused at first thinking "mimir says Týr grew it back but Týr says he found it and put it on somehow" So i guess whatever Týr did in helheim allowed him to regrow his arm

[@firstlast9846]

*If Magni, Modi and Baldur are in Valhalla* I could see Modi and Baldur eventually being able to understand and reconcile with themselves and move on… but Magni was so far gone - he’s probably still fighting in Valhalla - due to Odin’s brainwashing.

[@thechosenone5421]

They are not in valhalla, that's just a projection from Kratos mind. Gods do not go to valhalla

[@mightystellwan1974]

1:38 THERE YOU GO!!!

[@johnozzmond9728]

That is quite the mystery though, the whole thing with the rift and the mask and what happens to gods after they die. I kinda feel like the rift was a setup for something greater, like God-God or perhaps something Lovecraftian. Or maybe it will never get mentioned again. Knowledge not meant to be known, something like that, and the mystery is the point

[@thomasallen9974]

Whatever leads to the other side of the rift, is likely connected to Athena. Athena despite dying somehow ascended if I recall correctly. And since as far as I know she is still corrupted, meaning she is likely up to nothing good and may reappear as an antagonist at some point.

[@lukethompson4260]

Does this mean that Hiemdal could have regrown his arm had he just walked away?

[@Bman32x]

Yup. The corporeal form needed time to become a part of him again. But he was so arrogant and reliant on his powers to see ahead that refused to be humble and admit defeat for the greater good.

[@loganweaver8251]

Odin was wrong Ragnarok didn’t kill him nor did Sindri, Atreus, Kratos or anyone else But rather, his ego, his lust for knowledge and his drive to be better then everyone is what killed him and destroyed Asgard

[@DrewFC]

Maybe due to his corruption of the Valkyrie and all he has done to the realms maybe the Shield Maidens denied him entry. Or since he didn’t die in battle he didn’t qualify passage to Valhalla.

[@bestintheworld568]

Odin’s soul was completely smashed by Sindri. I would think that would be a good way of denying someone an afterlife.

[@garrettjackson1451]

I really want the full story on how Tyr got his arm back

[@saltgenerat0r]

Why do people think that Odin and any god can go to Valhalla? Odin says to Loki that he doesn't know what would happen if he died. where would he go? That means none of the gods can go to Valhalla why Magni and Modi aren't there, no Heimdall, no Thor, none of the other gods Aesir, Vanir or Jotun

[@ThePhantomStinker]

It might also be because "Valhalla" is not a place at all, at least not in the most literal sense. There is a way to go to and from it, yes, but beyond this, it is metaphorical at best and has a will of its own. There is a state of Valhalla that is attainable by the dead, but one not necessarily need to have died in order to take a spiritual journey. Odin was just there looking for power. Tyr and Kratos were actually there to self-reflect.

[@Phillyrider807]

I mean there's also the fact that Odins soul was shattered to pieces by Sindri... Can't go to Valhalla when your soul no longer exists.

[@bphater31]

Odin already said in Ragnarok. "There is no Valhalla for me, I need to know what will happen to me"

[@bladeexe]

So I guess that means Heimdall just grew his back another way then.

[@SuperCaders]

Odin did say that there’s no Valhalla for him.

[@Sheenifier]

You know what I just realize about how Tyr was able to get into Valhalla reminds me of Thor Love & Thunder where Sif was all happy that she'll get to go into Valhalla, but Thor pointed out that she didn't die in battle so only her arm is there and she's like "Really? Shit!" It's not reference to the movie, but it did remind me of that

[@DarsiPadilla]

I'd rather take this as the lesser evil over the Mehvel vandalism.😒

[@kingartison]

Where the hell was Tÿr as he was talking to them

[@ryancialone3045]

Valhalla isn’t “real” space. It’s a -!abstract mental projection so he’s “there” with them but also “not”

[@newhybrid101]

​@@ryancialone3045thats the lamest thing i have ever heard,Valhalla should have been a place where fallen warriors drink,eat,fight and whore around.

[@_------------_]

Tyr arm grew back 💀 what sorcery is this.

[@royangeloaranda7874]

my question is why is heimdall not in valhalla

[@xehanorterra1122]

I’m confused, how exactly did Tyr get his arm back?

[@XxX-vi9if]

Ig it grew back somehow. However he did it, it managed to get him passage into Valhalla. Who knows how

[@wellyunnoso3087]

Help from a Egyptian God, most likely Osiris

[@xehanorterra1122]

@@XxX-vi9if so basically because his arm is considered dead, Valhalla also consider him to be dead too?

[@niceguy1965]

My theory is that, since he says that it involved the underworld, he maybe got there phisicaly or killed himself in order to find the piece, that or he just killed himself and got a way to be out of the underworld, since it seems that the body is just an extension of the soul, there he would be with his "body" intact.

[@_------------_]

​@@xehanorterra1122Helios lost his head and valhalla keep only his head even if it's a ilusion so must have been magic, heimdall did that with bifrost.

[@Smllc22318]

Tyr left the game alive and Odin didn’t. Saved you 2:55.

[@selfimprovement5873]

Everyone's talking about Oden but what about Thor? Why isn't he in Valhalla?

[@BRUH-nd9rr]

The soul is inside sindri hammer

[@mithiwithi]

Odin's bit with hanging himself from Yggdrasil probably gave him a pass to Valhalla. But he never saw the place as a way to learn about himself, just another resource to be exploited.

[@xdrakon8196]

Yea but issue with that is he went digging into the Yggdrasil itself when he hung himself though, trying to discover stuff. Only reason he came back was the Yggdrasil got fed up and spat him back out. Even if that somehow worked, Valhalla only opens to those who died in combat. So him hanging to get into the Yggdrasil is moot regardless

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@xdrakon8196Mimir didn’t die in combat. He just died and got reanimated.

[@johnwinchesterp2963]

Yeah it is something like tyr where he had some business with garm in the underworld so valhalla allows him access like he was dead at some point. But definitely odin screwed with valhalla to get warriors and control the Valkyries and most likely valhalla banished him so he knew there was no valhalla for him after death.

[@xdrakon8196]

@@acgearsandarms1343 Could argue that since it was by Kratos’s axe, it counts. Kratos got killed by Zeus when he was in no shape to fight, and yet that appears to have counted. Since the only other death I can remember was being impaled by Ares after finding Pandoras Box

[@acgearsandarms1343]

@@xdrakon8196 I really don’t think that’s the case. The only stated requirement in game was you had to die. Not die in combat. Consider Kratos and Mimir are exceptions since they are not dead now. They died. Tyr got in by technicality since he was considered dead enough and not fully died.

[@zeevdrifter2707]

I'd of prefer stuck with the original mythology. That Tyr waa forces or tricked by Odin due to a misleading prophecy regarding fenrirs fate to kill Odin.

[@Tolinar]

Spelling.

[@Vazo999]

Oh my God, don't get Cooking with Kratos started

[@dravrahamrosenzweig]

Sindri destroyed Odins soulstone so odin ceased to exist in every timeline. Thats why

[@tanmayfadnis5440]

Why wasn't Thor in Valhalla?

[@johnwinchesterp2963]

Maybe he found peace.

[@darkscars7526]

theory: he has ascended to higher plane of existence as he died a worthy god death. theory 2: he is in Mjolnir as we his body turn into blueish bits.

[@jollyboygaming1597]

Sup

[@liptonicetea274]

Odin soul has been deleted😂 Odin didn't die from combat rather he died in his sleep 😂

[@grimtunes3527]

I don't think that mattered much, after all magni died in combat and he didn't come back to life

[@DarsiPadilla]

​@@grimtunes3527Magni may have been trapped in his own Valhalla, or rather he remained because he enjoys the fighting. I do wonder how he'd react if he sees a mirror version of him being used as one of the enemies that Kratos fought?

[@GameReaper95]

because odin didnt die a warriors death he died pleading

[@Karl-nv5ok]

He said that there's no Valhalla for him.

[@jefffrederick258]

Wait Tyr being in Valhalla also means he died. As Freya said when she says she can't enter, "Can't. I've never died before."

[@xdrakon8196]

Tyr could’ve died on his travels at some point, and escaped the afterlife either with permission from its ruler, or just busted out like Kratos did on multiple occasions. Kratos only died in Greek, not Norse, and yet he’s allowed in. It’s possible Tyr did something similar

[@legonidasCZ]

Have you not watched the video? He literally says he can enter Valhalla due to the Garm incident that briefly led Týr to underworld.

[@xdrakon8196]

@@legonidasCZ I know, but that just feels so, for lack of a better term, cheap. That’s closer to a near death experience, rather than just death. I mean Mimir also can enter Valhalla, but didn’t die in combat. Though technically he was beheaded by Kratos, so you could argue it counted. But he DID die is the point. Not saying they’re wrong, just feels a bit cheap to write is all

[@Nematoda4ever]

Seeing Odin cant even bother trying to correct himself and arrogantly thinking always right, if go to valhalla, he probably stuck at valhalla trial endlessly... lol

[@DIsturbios1234]

Garm??? What the hell?? Like minor name changes I get but thats LITERALLY fenrir's story. the character is LITERALLY FENRIR... Why the FUCK is his name suddenly 'garm'

[@ConnorLonergan]

Because the God of War franchise does not follow the mythology 1:1

[@badnoodlez]

garm is fenrir now lol deal with it

[@DIsturbios1234]

@@badnoodlez jesus name is now bob lol deal with it.

[@tagar67]

Ares coul learn something from Tyr

[@lv70rouge]

literally doesnt answer the question

[@boredomofboredom]

Cause Sindri destroyed Odin's soul at the end of the main game. Video over, let's go get some Taco Bell.

[@kevinphoenix2007]

Why is this video even necessary, other than to milk some views? We all know that Odin's soul got obliterated when Sindri smashed the marble it was in.

[@crucible1084]

odins too prideful, self-centered, selfish to find what he wants from valhalla.

[@stijnVDA1994]

Uh they don't speak of if odin went there after ragnarok.. wich is what the title suggests, maybe something to re-check😉

[@TheInfamousWolf]

Because the DLC is meant to be an Apology for how much Tyr sucked in the main game. That's why. No, there's no secret reasons as to why. Anything else is just garbage. Anyone who knows about Norse Myth knows that Valhalla is a Hall that belongs to Odin himself and his finest warriors.

[@user-kz7cn1bv8m]

Odin is mimir. The real mimir is at the bottom of the world tree where nidhog was. Odin hide the real mimir there. Theres a guy name Kratoskitchen who proves it.

[@eliarevalo]

If one paid attention to the story. He is not here because his soul was destroyed when the marble was shattered.

[@Karl-nv5ok]

He said that there's no Valhalla for him.

[@BUY_YOUTUBE_VIEWS_e0e35]

Am i the only one who misses her roommates???