WHY PAY MORE | TAYLORMADE SIM or CLEVELAND LAUNCHER HB TURBO DRIVERS

[@MarkCrossfield]

How much was your last driver, what did it cost?

[@stevoislookingforgolfballs8046]

Cobra F8+ I paid $250 aus, I bought it 3 months after the f9 came out. I can't fault it as a driver it works as well as I can hit it.

[@carpykeith]

TS3, Tested it and fitted one week start of last year, ordered it at £499, went back the following week and charged £449! Delighted with it!

[@darrenpayce6121]

£119.81- wanted to try a lighter driver so got a 2nd hand really good condition callaway xr speed, obvs not fit for me not used much cause of weather but when i have not too bad, jury’s out until a full investagation is complete or when the weather decides to stop bloody raining😂

[@robertmacmurray1414]

Bought the Cleveland HB Turbo off eBay for £220, only been hit a few times. Totally works for me. Longer and straighter than my old Callaway XR16

[@marknewkirk4322]

I bought the Mizuno GT180 brand new but just after they released the next model. It cost me 200 dollars US. That is by far the most I have ever payed for any single golf club.

[@thundersafety]

Just had my first custom fit and have gone for Cleveland pretty much through the bag. Trackman showed they performed the same as a few other brands but at about 30% lower price. Really happy!

[@chroniclesofnanner9543]

My next driver will be based off of consistency and dispersion, not length. I don’t lose strokes because I’m 5 yards short off the tee but because im capable of bombing balls into another county.

[@richardskinner5050]

I played with the SIM today. And it was ABSOLUTELY AWESOME. My best driving performance In years. High launch low spin. I was delighted. I have 4 drivers including Epic Flash but the SIM was a new level of performance for me.

[@mooo9091]

when r u gona be on tour?

[@thisnamebegreat]

I believe this is called post-purchase rationalisation.

[@richardskinner5050]

@@thisnamebegreat No. It is called performance and the numbers backed it up. I purchase the SIM head from a friend of mine for £250 and dropped in a Tensei Blue shaft . The SIM driver performs for me. End of. If you watch a quality golf channel like TXG - they tested the SIM and concurred that TM have made improvements. SIM is a spin killer. Also subscribe to Golf Principles- Jason McNiven he is one of the leading golf fitters in the UK. His numbers with SIM are also outstanding. The Cleveland who sponsor Crossfield, sounds like a tin can.Ok

[@thisnamebegreat]

@@richardskinner5050 👌

[@mandipilkinton8276]

@@richardskinner5050 ur a tool.

[@seancoxe3577]

My experiences with the TM SLDR 460 put me off anything TaylorMade. I actually went back to my (conforming) Cleveland Hi-Bore XL. Cleveland was using better shafts than TM back then. It's about 10 years old, but it's straighter and nearly as long as my best shots with the SLDR. That being said, my wife will probably buy me the SIM for Xmas; after all, she's the one who bought the SLDR for me Xmas 2014.

[@ryankelso7980]

Wish you guys used the adjustability to optimize the SIM. At the end of the day yes its more but this is a feature you get with the extra money so use it!

[@frankielambardo9268]

The Turbo blows the SIM out of the water!

[@beedee9534]

I tried the Sim and Wrenched all over the place and gained 1 yard

[@stephenscheibel4604]

I play the Cleveland Driver. The (non) issue with the club is it comes with a glued head. You don’t toy with settings after the initial purchase. It comes with a premium Miyazaki shaft as well and is worth every penny. You need to like the sound. It is easy to manipulate flight. There may be a draw bias, I’ve washed it in my setup.

[@fitnessman42]

"why is it not going left" very flat lie angle brah, just look at your toe up numbers and you will see, and i love it because of exactly that, nothing to do with twistface just flat lie angle for this driver and as lockie said, if like me your miss is left the sim is gold and there is nothing better. its why many tour players gravitate to it to avoid the destructive miss left (for a right handed player)

[@mantisSbcc]

i should have read the comment section before lol. But i think Mark knows why it goes right, its just for entertainment. taylormade is one of the few companies the have lie adjustment in hosel

[@mrtopramen]

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

[@tomj9311]

100% agree, all shots start push as well to make it more obvious.

[@anthonyychapa]

Should play it upright, have a proper shaft for your swing, really test weight positions, and boom - start hitting your stock shot off the tee.

[@justinmills556]

"The average golfer is slicing the arse off of it". I like when you use technical golf terminology.

[@alanwaterworth6464]

hahaha :D

[@simonbelcher3445]

I had a M4 with the twist face tech ... just had to work it so hard to get the right shot shape and path! After many rounds and many headaches I became so frustrated that I gave it away free to a mate who was over the moon but had the exact same experience ! I Switched to the Cleveland HB Turbo, straight of the shelf , no fitting and don't have to work near as hard to get the shot shape I want and to boot at a far better price point ! I am a bit of a golf snob when comes to brand and had doubts about how good it would be in comparison to my preference being TaylorMade, I was more than surprised at how well the HB Turbo performed considering it is not adjustable and Cleveland not being well known for their drivers. They are on the map and if they had the marketing spend that the major players have I think a lot more golfers would make the switch? Twist face is good technology don't get me wrong but feel it is more suited to the professional golfer, not amateurs or every day golfers? Your thoughts ?

[@matthewcroad7218]

No brainer for me guys. Cleveland looks good and (for some one who has the occasional right ball in their locker) seems the best buy. I think I might go and test one

[@mvansb23]

Isn’t the SIM Max the more appropriate match up for the launcher?

[@CosmicApe]

It's not about "appropriate match up." It's a discussion about a $350 vs. a $500 driver and how most clubs these days are far overpriced for what you're actually getting.

[@paulwrobel5581]

Just got fitted up yesterday Cleveland launcher turbo driver and irons. They performed so well and for the price unbeatable. Also halo hybrid. I think the irons are uhx as I'm starting back after 4 years off through injury. Can't wait to get them on course.

[@hbyrdut]

I would like to see you hit the SIM with the weight in the heel and/or get an 8 degree and loft up to 9 so the face closes 2 degrees and/or set the lie more upright.

[@stevenmoongolfingcanberra3777]

i bought the cleveland driver i tried the mavrick the sim max cobra everything was of to the right but the cleveland if anything slightly left i was very impressed with it changed my game

[@nickessex555]

Swinging faster with the Cleveland 🤔. Now I am not saying Mark's doing it on purpose but A) He is a skilled golfer and B) He gets a cheque in the post every month from Cleveland... Again this could be completely innocent (shaft?) but the difference between Rick Shiels reviews and Marks is you KNOW Rick's are legitimate, with Marks there is just that lingering question. All that aside the Cleveland looks a great club for the money.

[@MarkCrossfield]

Average .7 faster. Haha haha .7 haha haha is this a real comment or you trolling bruh. .7 average. Haha haha you are funny. Remember get fit buy what’s best for you. I don’t care what you buy at all.

[@nickessex555]

@@MarkCrossfield 1.1mph on the original 4 mate. Me and my golf tested swinging hard and only moved the club speed by 1mph. I don't really care to be honest was just 'commenting below' because I was bored. You have to realise that your sponsorship makes viewers suspicious. I mean would you put out a video if the Cleveland was miles behind? I really enjoy your content, especially the vlogs so not a hater or a troll.

[@Erictheking66]

I did this test at Scottsdale golf. I was happy with the Launcher until I hit the SIM and it gave me 5-6mph more ball speed. I repeated the test a few times and got the same results so bought the SIM.

[@JustSleepin61]

Big difference in delivered lie? Cleveland loads more toe up .. 11.2 vs 6.5 .. thoughts?

[@aaronyounger452]

The sound of the SIM alone is worth the extra $$ for me. The launcher sound is obnoxiously loud and tinny. I was fit for the SIM and the weight was moved into a more draw setting to combat the fade shots I was getting it worked great for me.

[@chrisashford4295]

Been watching marks content for years and its sad to say taken a huge step back in recent times. In my opinion. Never really spoke about price before, infact defended it when was with titleist. Now aligned to a cheapee manufacturer and its none stop videos around price. Clearly pushing his sponsors agenda. Even though he will tell you he isnt. And will be rude or childish back if you dare to challenge him. Sad

[@pauldgibbo]

Has turned into a bit of a infomercial channel for Cleveland/Srixon of late. Some better weather and course vlogs should improve things...

[@chrisashford4295]

@@pauldgibbo i really miss rory on those. Coach lockey biggest asset the channel has now i think

[@kalebzehr6850]

lol who cares it's just a free youtube video. Don't see why anyone would ever consider complaining about anything that's free.

[@chrisashford4295]

@@kalebzehr6850 not complaining just making an observation

[@adamboyle3331]

Also notice how every time he does a budget to expensive compare he always compares to Taylormade. We all know how he feels about Taylormade and his relationship with them. It does feel like he’s become one of the budget golf centered channels lately. Certainly not with his lifestyle though, Mr. Tesla.

[@PicklePilot]

The last driver I bought was the Cleveland Turbo Launcher HB 😉. If you could ask Cleveland to offer more than just 10.5 for lefties I’d appreciate it. That’s the only problem I have with it at the moment is it just launches too high.

[@vincejackson04]

When are you coming to Australia Mark?? I've been following you for 6 years ,and a trip here for you is long overdue, bring the family and make a holiday out of it (and stick coach in yer suitcase) come to Tasmania (not just the mainland) Check out Barnbougle Dunes and Lost Farm, you would love it !!! Come on Crossy, you've been virtually everywhere else, it's time you came to Oz !!!👍🏌️‍♂️

[@anthonytilly5558]

Dont miss Perth either... great spot 👍👍👍

[@matthewryan741]

Would love to see a comparison with the Wilson staff launchpad and Cleveland launcher, both lightweight draw biased drivers in and around the same price point

[@James_Vaughn]

The HB Turbo is a really solid option. Why pay more is right! A week ago I shot -4 on the simulator, switching drivers on each tee. They all worked well, but I can squeeze a few more yds out of the lighter weight options.

[@frankielambardo9268]

Just bought the HB Launcher Turbo for $299.00 st Golf Galaxy. This is the longest and straightest driver I'VE EVER HIT!

[@antoncrouse1470]

Hi, bought a Launcher today. 30 meters further than my trusty Callaway. Price wise, great club.

[@KP5264]

What model Callaway? I use an XR16

[@simonthorpe6971]

Budget is definitely a big thing for me and maybe a lot of casual golfers! Cleveland for me on that basis, but aesthetically, I also prefer the Cleveland

[@jameswheeler4692]

I agree with what you said about the sim and it keeping ball out to the right helping the people with a bad draw/hook the draw/hook has always been my weakness but the sim has been so huge on helping me bringing my shots more in control

[@goatman67al]

I definitely would go with the SIM. I rather fade the ball than draw it. Compare the Launcher Turbo against them Mavrik.

[@marknewkirk4322]

I bought the Mizuno GT180 brand new but just after they released the next model. It cost me 200 dollars US. That is by far the most I have ever payed for any single golf club.

[@jeremygilbert5274]

The SIM also has a sliding weight, maybe have a SIM fitting and move the weight towards the heel 😉 My miss is left and I have the weight almost fully to the toe and it's helped bring that miss back into play. Worked this out with a good fitting and price from my Pro 👍

[@terrorfactoryfilms]

Mark, are you using the stock Miyazaki in the Cleveland? I know that shaft is counter-balanced specifically to fit the driver, and curious if/how you would fit another (aftermarket) shaft into the HB?

[@totisanchez3607]

been using the Cleveland and Im very happy with it

[@ericl9781]

Mark you’re slimming up friend! Keep up the fitness! Why don’t you adjust the hosel to fix face closure or adjust it on the sole?

[@billfitzmaurice3837]

I love my Cleveland HB, which I used to replace a Taylor Made M1. It's just as long, but more forgiving. As for the sound, the pitch of the sound is higher than the M1, but it's not actually louder. I like it myself. It sure doesn't sound like a 1st generation Big Bertha.

[@Amsepamse]

I have that too, with the SIM; Out to the right, fading slicing or blocked, every time I tried it.

[@krisdonnelly8122]

Mark, you can't say the TM driver causes you to overly push shots then negate your left and right misses as "you" for the Cleveland. A bit bias bruh!

[@matthewconnell9326]

Seem to remember a TS3 vs F9 review where numbers were basically the same, and price was barely mentioned, or brushed off as not mattering. Easy to talk about it when your sponsored by the cheaper one!

[@MyCharlesgreen]

the TM bashing by Mark does get very tiresome...tbf, we know it is coming so can just ignore....I am still playing the M2.....it is a fabulous driver and as for price one can get a pristine one for 150 from ebay..

[@Bobbarice]

I use an M2. I tried the twist face clubs and like you they all went right. When I am having a good round I use gearing to shape my shots. I don’t think I’ll ever use twist face even though I love TaylorMade

[@brianr7471]

I just went for a fitting for my new driver. I had the exact same issue with the SIM. Matthew will be happy to know I ended up with a Mavrik 🙂

[@stevec2435]

Be interesting to see if u adjusted the weight with the sim to see what numbers u would then get rather than leave it in standard setting 👍

[@citanullunatic4084]

OOh no, we can't do that. that might make the SIM seem like a good driver. No unbiased reviews to see here, move along please.

[@wallstreetoneil]

The stat you didn't address was the Sim at impact was significantly flatter than the Cleveland - thus I think putting the Shaft in the 180 degree rotation into Upright might be enough to make it less of a slice machine. Cleveland is a winner at the price - no question.

[@arthuracorn]

I must be the golfer sim is aimed at as I hit a 5 wood with great results in a fitting yesterday, I don’t do Taylormade as it will be replaced next month etc, but in the fitting it was brilliant

[@billyballa7002]

I have a 2016 TM M1 driver that I have the same problem with, working too hard to find the sweet spot, but when I hit the center, she was hot. Currently got the TS2 and it loves to go straight, and very forgiving.

[@theelmagoo]

So... why not play with the weight on the SIM? If you're consistently leaving it a few degrees open too much, slide that weight to the inside a bit to help speed up the rotation. That will adjust the CG of the club, possibly putting it more in-line with the Cleveland, as you admit it's probably a difference in CG that's causing this right? Hence the SIM has an adjustable CG to let you fine-tune the driver to your abilities, so why not try it / take advantage of it? :)

[@TheHabiat]

so why do you pay for your omega watch way more then a swatch watch? they both tell you time.some people will buy the omega because they can.

[@martint8017]

When they put adverts in the informercial, is it to make it seem less like an informercial?

[@kerrytom08]

Cleveland for me, with my game I can't afford a "slice machine" I'd never get around the course.

[@morten9972]

Why pay more? Sim driver looks amazing 😍😍 Just bought sim fw3 and sim max driver :)

[@anthonyychapa]

Love my SIM driver. I am able to shape the ball both ways off the tee and control it nicely. You could also change shafts... oh, wait. I’m not fading the ball and I even have the weight set more toward the toe but not fully.

[@Calibigguy]

I had the Cleveland VAS driver back in the 90’s and still say that was my favorite driver I’ve owned.

[@joncox8859]

Any chance of a comparison between the HB Launcher Turbo & a Srixon Z785? Curious to know why you chose the Cleveland over the Srixon after your brand change.

[@themorg3300]

I feel like nothing comparing your new brand alliance to another is real. Always seems like you find ways to make your brand come out on top. You put the launcher against the sim in a real comparison, the sim would win every time.

[@lbg9778]

Do you have both?

[@paulbrunt5251]

I had a hit of the Sim and I struggled to hit it straight. I would hook or fade every shot. I didn’t have a consistent miss. So I ended up getting the Cobra SpeedZone, which was straight with only one miss, which was right.

[@joshlynch5676]

Everyone wants to be Rory and DJ, but don't understand that they aren't. I have an M1 but it's not worth upgrading into something that has 95% of the same technology and still works for me.

[@bradscoble7078]

I would think if you wanted to, you could spend sometime adjusting that sim to be less fadey. I do understand the idea of buying the expensive one because you can adjust it to preform like the cheaper one is a weird thing to say out loud.

[@sevesellors2831]

I'd go for the Cleveland good looking great price, I don't look at any drivers over £350 no need to spend the extra. In addition to the Cleveland you can get the Srixon 785 and Mizuno ST200 range and Wilson Staff and Cobra drivers so plenty of choice. I play Srixon Z155 irons Cleveland CBX wedges and the Cleveland frontline putter all awesome and as good as any of the big names but more acceptable pricing.

[@andresd11]

Still got a ping g30 lst. Today I tried the Epics and Titleist and TaylorMades. Apart from feeling them differently (weight,grip) distance had not changed, so.....after watching this vid.....Im just getting a grip change Jajajajajaja

[@dubrow377]

All the little kids growing up on the skids... they go...CLEVELAND ROCKS...CLEVELAND ROCKS!!!

[@howellst]

If I was buying a new fitted driver this year I would be testing the Cleveland, mizuno and cobra. Between them you’re bound to get something that suits you and won’t spent more than 350 GBP. Difficult to justify any more than that when so many reviews say they perform as well as anything.

[@sievans79]

Would have been nice to see you take advantage of the loft sleeve on the Sim and close the face to try and optimise it for you.

[@MarkCrossfield]

I didn’t even do that in my TS3 as I tend to go around in circles fighting it. 👍

[@nvh1095]

Based on this, and many other reviews I bought the Cleveland driver. There seems to be nothing in terms of distance, accuracy or any other measurable form, between the Cleveland and other drivers. The price of the Cleveland is also a big plus.

[@SportCardOz]

Next comparisons should be Launcher v Speedzone v GT200 v EXS220 all lower priced options than the TM or Callaway options.

[@SolomonLi]

I want to bring Rory back to see if he twist face’s it to the right too! LOL Seriously though that Cleveland is something else... It’s made for people like me who like to look in the used bin and find out I can get something new for almost the same costs.

[@bund440]

Hi Mark, I have just brought the Sim Max (used Ping G410) and I have to agree with you, it seems to fade a lot, I seem to have to tee it lower and it’s difficult to work out where’s best to strike it for the best results.

[@hurdy18]

Mark honest question, do you think the twist face messes with the launch monitor at all? The 'twist' is pretty minute, but would it cause the reading from the stickers to be off causing the cut? Or do you find it does the same thing outdoors?

[@MarkCrossfield]

Nope that’s not how the monitor works my friend. 👍👍

[@dannybaker4052]

I've just been fitted for the Cleveland. Should be here in a couple of days. Cant wait

[@paulmiller1473]

My driver is Callaway Rogue draw that I bought around 2 years ago, fitted for me for £400 or so. Have considered changing, but had lessons and now producing drives with a slight draw around 260 yds, so no need to change just yet as play off 19. When it comes down a bit and more consistent will look at changing driver, but when producing those numbers not sure why change? Good comparison Mark, would be good to see Coach hit both.👍

[@mvansb23]

Golftec did a great video showing that the regular sim is definitely designed to be fade biased with the weight in the center. Bringing it all the way to the heel effectively makes it neutral. Taylormade probably could do a better job of explaining that in their marketing.

[@anthonytilly5558]

😂😂 you crack me up...any comments below that are Cleveland 👍 and TM 👎 get a like from you.....😂😂 #notbiasedatall 🙌🙌🙌 although you are right. You are Mr Consistent so if your slicing then we are all " twistfaced" 😂😂

[@boatbuilder781]

Tried both and really enjoyed the Cleveland, hit it very well not long but as well as any other club I have tested. I really thought I would like the SIM, so I was surprised how much it wanted to not only fade but actually slice. I just could not get the ball to go right consistently, or actually at all. Again, this is all about Marketing, you have to try the clubs.

[@liambrazer1266]

Mark, if the TM keeps going right why don't you adjust the settings? That's what it's made for! Be interesting to see if it keeps going right in a more upright setting

[@tavaroache8109]

I know things can't always stay the same but man the on course testing with Dan was a little more fun .

[@DavidJones-iz5zv]

SIM has a very flat lie angle because the Tour players do not want it going left. Rather than just keep hitting it right and moaning why dont you set it to upright and hit it again.

[@alohageno9936]

I had the TM M5 driver and kept hitting an annoying fade consistently. I felt like I had to work hard the straighten out my drives just like your experience with the Simm.

[@DanB-]

I cant believe people still dont get the concept of reading the title of the vids. People bashing the test, bias, TM bashing whatever, then the "why dont you change the lie"............... The point is like in all driver compare/reviews THEY ALL PERFORM THE SAME from a technical point of view and its personal preference which you should get. This vid shows that you get the same numbers from both and yet price is way apart, is it worth it for performance no, is it worth it if you want to pay more for any higher price driver, of course its your money.

[@thomassparling5956]

Would have been interesting to see you tweak the SIM to combat the left shot at the end and then compared to the two.

[@MarkCrossfield]

We could do that again. The trouble I start over thinking them when the setting take over.

[@thomassparling5956]

Sorry I meant combat the shot to the right not left. For instance you liked the slightly closed face on the Cleveland, if you changed the SIM to have it look similar would that have influenced your thoughts and shot shape.

[@MarkCrossfield]

Yes I got you bruh. 👍

[@mickbarrett3498]

Hi Mark and Coach, great insightful video yet again. I find it interesting what your saying/showing about the SIM. Am I right in saying that quite a few Taylormade staffers are gaming the SIM MAX this year on tour? As in, even the better players on tour are finding the SIM a little to fade biased

[@ryankessler9310]

I'm moving back to glued drivers. I find that I tinker too much with adapters, always feeling like I can adjust more yards out of it and never get completely comfortable.

[@GodandBrooksFallsbears]

It’s the Cleveland for me both on looks and obviously on price point, the only downside for the Cleveland is the none adjustability. not too much of a big deal since it’s usually the Golfer needing to adjust and not the club.

[@Misnjef]

SIM is the best driver in years (for me)

[@conbaz106]

why?

[@Misnjef]

Conor Barry good launch, low spin, high ball speeds, and very straight. Best one out

[@alanking5001]

@@Misnjef agreed love the sim its superb

[@jordshot1543]

i think alot of people would agree , look at most of the free agents on tour , they love the sim

[@mvansb23]

What swing speed? I’ve heard from fitters that the SIM is doing extremely well with high swing speeds. I love it myself. Nothing I’ve ever played can be that low spin and remain very stable. No dive bombers. Can spin 1500-2000 and launch at 16* all day long and never spins hard left or right. Incredible stable for an ultra low spin driver.

[@richardskinner5050]

Crossfield. Please upgrade your content. I have watched your content for years. However your new format with Coach Lockie looking like a robot in the corner is looking ridiculous.

[@johnrutter1667]

Interesting compare Mark! Any reason that your now introducing price into your compares? You never did when you worked for Titliest....

[@MarkCrossfield]

I am not but in this case and when they are super expensive like my XXIO it is defo a talking point.

[@keithkatz1350]

Used to play and love TM driver and woods years ago. However as a senior I cannot hit these new TM drivers starting with M2 I always get a push to the right pattern when my natural shot is a slight pull draw? Happily been playing Callawayy just switched to Mavrik Max far superior in forgiveness from Epic Flash and new Hzrdus Riptide one of the best stock shafts in awhile for senior lower speeds. Cheers from Norcal boys lets get some nice weather for you two!!!

[@julia-6195]

Never got on with TM so I avoid them like a plague.

[@ScottDreyfus]

Sim wants to be teed low and whip the face through for a little squeeze cut. It doesn't really like to draw the ball. The spin drops fast when you get the face rotating quickly.

[@thegolfperformancecoach2777]

£199 got an ex demo original M1. Got fitted, waited for the new one to come out and bought the ex demo, was like new with the same set up as my fitting. Save £250... yes please

[@jukkakymalainen]

Very good and honest test 👍 You have very good swing and that Taylomade "fade" result is interesting. Perhaps it is made for tour players, but is it good for amateurs 🤔 I would still choose Taylormade, just because it has better sound.

[@cace81]

If you keep losing the Taylormade to the right couldn't you adjust the sliding weight and the hosel settings to get a more optimal ball flight?

[@johnstevens682]

I know it’s like anything in life but what would golfers chose if golf finance didn’t exist? Based on your video I’d pick the Launcher 👍

[@willisfleming2893]

I think it's important to remember that Mark is a pro. Taylor made sim might potentially be more forgiving for a higher handicapper, or vice versa.

[@alanking5001]

Dont think tiger woods , rory , DJ , justin rose are high handicappers. He just can't stand TM

[@willisfleming2893]

@@alanking5001 yup and TM are designed with most golfers in mind so they favour a fade, hence the adjustmentable features

[@andygreen1677]

Willis fleming wouldn't it make sense to make the club favour a draw bias given that most players struggle to overcome a slice ?

[@willisfleming2893]

@@andygreen1677 I think I was a little unclear, the Sim is for the better player, hence the fade bias which is generally easier to control than a draw. The Sim Max is for the lower handicapper so it has a draw bias to combat the slice

[@Will._Power]

As a consistent fader of the ball (however hard I try to fight it!), any club which has the possibility of increasing that fade to an out and out slice is a no-no. Out of these two it has to be the Cleveland for me. My first proper driver was a Cleveland Classic XL and I hit it until the head fell off 😅

[@kymstock1852]

Didn't you guys test the HB Launcher turbo against the M6 before, with the HB turbo kicking the TM's butt? I sold my Cobra F9 after a year of use for $350 AU and bought a Cleveland HB Turbo for $345 Au brand new. Love it! I don't need a Driver that goes right and stays right. I can do that all by myself. I just read the comments below. Just to satisfy the TM fans, why don't you do a video on " can we make the SIM behave" by adjustments. After all, that is what purchasers are promised with adjustable drivers, isn't it?

[@vikiwestall-eyre4440]

Launcher all day long. A fading driver is a bad thing to chose for me! God vid again

[@Stavtok]

Interesting point about twistface issues you have Mark. Have a custom fitted M6. ($600aud) It does sit open for me too. However I see a fade, cant see a draw with my driver and so it sitting open and it seeming to be a bit fadey suits my eye. I will say however that when I was testing for 3woods I went for tye Cobra SZ over the SIM because I felt I had to work hard to hit the SIM. 🤷‍♂️ Interesting that the Cleveland lie angle was was averaging around 5' more toe up than the SIM. How much would that contribute to it being fadier?

[@jayharris7015]

Since prices are being questioned between the two, why not question the differences in prices between the Cleveland Launcher and the XXIO, that you are playing, which are owned by the same company?

[@49notout]

Can you make a video where you comment on what you think the best driver releases for certain handicap ranges and value have been over the last 3 years or so? Obviously your opinions and numbers would be great.

[@christianstelzl2494]

OMG You haven’t posted yesterday!!!!😮😮 what’s wrong? Corona? Hahahah just kidding

[@eastbournegirlsfc3962]

Who's going to pay all those pros to use their equipment , that's the difference

[@carpykeith]

I was a fan and user of TM from the old Ti bubble 2 and loved my old R11TP but when they started ripping off the sheep with a model every couple of weeks I became less enchanted! M5/6 did nothing for me so went with the TS3 which outperformed them!

[@ignorance123]

I did buy a Launcher HB turbo with Tensei stiff, but later sold it. I just couldn't make the Cleveland work for me...my 2017 M1 440 seemed to do better in the end.