TAYLORMADE M6 DRIVER OR CLEVELAND LAUNCHER HB TURBO DRIVER

[@user-km2wj4sj8u]

Cleveland for me the looks and price win every time.

[@darrencouzins6500]

Ping 410 v Cleveland Please.

[@westisbest5486]

The Ping looks better . . . . oh I mean Cleveland sorry 😐

[@keithfinley2939]

The Cleveland sounded better outside... I really like it's looks too

[@PicklePilot]

Didn’t see the poll, but I prefer the Cleveland. I play a Ping G though so they’re very similar.

[@dancorun6650]

I went and tested the HB Launcher against my M6 D-Type after seeing your review the other day. (not this one). Both were set to 10.5*, stock shaft in the Turbo and a Proforce V2 in the M6 (I was fitted for this driver). Both R Flex. The numbers were a lot like your test. My avg carry with the M6 was 232 and 244 with the Turbo and the spin was lower with the Turbo. My ball speed and club head speed increased with the Turbo. The feel of the Turbo with the counter balanced shaft was really something. It felt effortless and it felt like I had played this club all year instead of the other way around. The M6 is a very good club don't get me wrong and I hit really well all year, but after hitting the HB Turbo and seeing the numbers I traded in the M6 and the HB Turbo will be in the bag in 2020. At $350 it 's a steal IMHO.

[@drewcameron6675]

Totally agree just got fitted for the Cleveland put it against the TM and spin was massively down more speed / carry also. Was gutted cause I’m a taylormade snob but the turbo is a beast !

[@raynelson6163]

Gotta say I’m enjoying your videos, thank you, much appreciated. Without watching the previous video you posted about the Cleveland launcher I probably wouldn’t have considered it. After demoing many different drivers, including the M6, which for me was difficult to keep straight, I settled on the Cleveland. It was the easiest to hit, went nice and straight with ease, got the best numbers for me, and the price was right. I will say it’s definitely loud at first, but I very quickly got used to it.

[@craigmcconnery1116]

The Cleveland is a much nicer looking club. The matte top is 🔥🔥🔥

[@leejordan7252]

I would love to see you bring in 2 golfers with different handicaps. may be an 8-10 handicap and a 18-20 handicap. give them the cleveland to try then try to fit them to get the best numbers out of the m6.

[@jjd9990]

The Cleveland wins hands down for me, looks and performance and simplicity

[@hagerwarrior]

Love to see high performance affordable equipment!! Keep it up guys!!

[@dailyabundance]

Love love love my Taylor M6. I test drove a dozen drives and the very first shot with the M6 and I knew I was in love 🥰🥰🥰. Totally changed my game and now I'm out driving my golf buddies.

[@boatbuilder781]

I really like the Cleveland, the fact that I can’t tweet it does not bother me. It all comes down to performance.

[@ShaneNewton]

The sound of the Cleveland made me jump when I first hit it. Now I look forward to that *TING* every time.

[@michaelkukura5973]

I preferred the cleveland, I'd like to See a comparison between the cleveland and the cobra f9 seeing as they are in a more comparable price bracket

[@James_Vaughn]

Best looking Cleveland driver since the Classic XL! I'm tempted to trade my G400 lst in on the Turbo, except I know the Cobra SZ is also coming out. The performance is basically the same between the new Turbo and My G400, on good strikes, but sometimes the spin dips too low with the Ping. I had an M4, but I tended to lose it to the right more often than I like. I don't know why that happened, but it did so I switched back to the G400 lst, where it hardly ever happens. I had the same issue with the M6, and saw no performance gains with the injected face.

[@Ivorengland]

If it sits open at address and you don’t correct it by re-gripping your club, it will fly off to the right and will put slice spin on the ball. Not your fault. You should be able to put a driver down and it should sit square.

[@elhosserino5437]

I bought this Cleveland Launcher, it's a solid driver. I've seen this Cleveland driver tested against drivers that are $200-$300 a few times. Everytime the testers have to adjust for the more expensive driver and take more time and still its similar if not worse than the Cleveland. Results are the Cleveland is just good, but be sure to test first.

[@williamshaw8756]

Cleveland, I’m a big Srixon and Cleveland person. Had a Cleveland launcher, but went to a Z585 to a ZX5 and love them.

[@carlincledon4794]

Basically, the Cleveland is a better looking, better performing driver, at half the price, but with half the advertising budget, except on decent, unbiased channels. That's why channels like yours are so valuable.

[@scottkramer481]

I've got the Turbo and love it. I'm 57 and can still keep up with my 22 year old son, and the main reason is that I can now get off the tee and put it in the fairway

[@rhull3939]

This is old, but I just bought the turbo. You guys were searching for validation for the TM but it wasn't there. The fact is, the Cleveland is the better driver. You could do even more for it with a fitted shaft.

[@fuzzymcbear6848]

You must do Ping vs Cleveland....please

[@Squashtopus]

Get the Cleveland and spend the rest on a lesson to greet the driver to work? I really don't see the argument for the TM

[@lancesuiter9767]

Can we please get some Wilson Staff drivers on for comparisons? Please!

[@Grunt21Tennessee]

Lance, why? Wilson gave it their best shot with that driver a year or 2 ago and was and still is an epic fail. Truly an epic fail and for everyone to see (with the show with Rick and all). No one (that I know of or have ever played with) is looking to go and purchase a Wilson driver. Wilson irons, maybe... but Wilson is not in the driver "game" or even trying or able to compete in the driver world. Now, with all this said, it is ONLY my opinion. Absolutely no disrespect towards you Lance.

[@andrewkeightley246]

Would be nice to see some wilson irons on here, the blades look incredible.

[@garymcavoy7370]

@@Grunt21Tennessee yeah did they even release that driver never seen one for sale. Tbh the d7 is quite good in some hands I found the shaft to light and whippy but my brother has one he put a kuro kage stiff in it and it's good

[@johnmaloney8324]

I like wilson d300, and this year I, am going to try the new launchpad. and if I like it it will be in my bag.

[@newmanfertig886]

Wilson C300 worst driver ever. Ball just doesn't go straight or far.

[@matthewua1]

Nice hat Danger Dan!!!!!! If I was looking to upgrade my driver "which I'm not" I would totally give that Cleavlend a try!!!

[@ericbriggs7383]

To be completely fair here, it looks like the M6 is the 10.5 ( 13:58 ) which is being adjusted down to the desired loft. That definitely plays a part in that spin number. That's why it sits uncomfortably open at address.

[@christod7912]

Tested both the M6 and M5 and never been so disappointed with a club. Disregarded the M6 almost immediately and the M5 I had to work so hard tweeking loft lie shaft to get any sort of performance. I game an old Nike VR and carried it a god 30yards past either. I'm always a 9.5 stiff off the shelf and the taylormade I couldn't find anything I was happy with.

[@roberthall61]

Great review as always. How many people are going to adjust their driver? In the past, I bought a driver on how I hit it. Period. If I hit the Cleveland better... that's my driver. I don't care if it isn't adjustable!!

[@robbiles]

Had the same problem with the M6 but then tried the M5. Chalk and cheese for me. My question is, who moved from Ping to Cleveland.

[@armandde1]

CLEVELAND. Just ordered one here in July of 2021.

[@ScottDreyfus]

I actually like the feel and look of a bonded driver better.

[@jaybyrne4562]

I used to game m4, but also had really variable numbers. I tried the mizuno ST190, instantly changed. Mizuno was way better for me on numbers, feel, sound! Still loving it now, and booming it!

[@jjd9990]

On looks the Cleveland wins hands down for me

[@johnsadler6441]

Interesting that Dan hit the M6 off the toe and got over-draw. I thought the twist face eradicated that?

[@carlincledon4794]

Haha!

[@coegj]

I would be more likely to purchase the Cleveland, I like the idea of an adjustable sleeve but I personally can yank out the shaft and spine/flow a shaft and reshaft it for a better performance and feel which most people/golfers can't do. I like the top of the Cleveland for it's alignment value too. Good video guys, thanks.

[@allanfahrenhorst-jones6118]

Mark and Dan, great test and comparison. Feel is the key. Also once club (adjustable) is in place it should stay there forever, so why is adjustable necessary.

[@keithkatz1350]

Amazing cleveland was dead on with the numbers no adjustability no brainer does the job. No more Torquay studio doesn't matter but we want Mince cameo's Cheers from Norcal

[@tomlewis2575]

Compare the Turbo with the previous gen Launcher (that’s what I have). A more likely Cleveland customer is a previous Cleveland customer.

[@jean-pierreheyns4579]

I have the launcher dst and love it

[@arronlightburn8638]

The massive price gap between them should be a big selling point for Cleveland

[@peterlund6495]

Cleveland have always made great clubs at a great price point, but are people just buying a badge or a name sometimes without trying the full market place.

[@Thesavage925]

Peter Lund I love my $100 Cleveland putter, and I can’t wait to try these Woods

[@carlincledon4794]

Cleveland/Srixon are the best company out there IMO

[@jporter504]

This is 2019. Cleveland can figure out how to add an adjustable hosel and still move the weight where it needs to be. Fixed hosel means a fitter has to stock at least 4 different heads (for each loft) x 4 shafts flexes for a total of 16 different test drivers and that is for just the stock shaft. Any additional shaft options would require many more test drivers since they are glued in.

[@benzeelie6882]

Looks identical. I would think the Taylor made shaft is kicking earlier creating little more spin. Think the test would be better to see how the different shaft preform that you can get as stock shafts.

[@Andy-cq9yy]

That’s exactly what I said in my comment. Not sure why they used the lightest, highest launching, highest spinning shaft. 🤔

[@arjanpetersen]

Andy because they are fitted to that.

[@arjanpetersen]

Why would you do that. Shaft is player specific. Hence useless test.

[@peteraloisio3533]

I reckon the new / temporary studio acoustics are not doing the Cleveland any favours. That being said, if you can save a few $$ and brand loyalty was not a concern, why would you not go down the Cleveland road? Thanks boys for another quality review.

[@BruceBusby]

Ping i25 (2014) with racing stripes! Love that driver, still have it

[@pwells10]

Hate the sound of my Cleveland HB turbos but I hit them long and straight. Those lines on the top, as silly as they may seem, really do help you line up the ball to the club right. Being off even one degree makes a difference.

[@indydawson]

Cleveland. I like simplicity and value. The sound I could get used to. I currently game 2016 M2 and yes i close the clubface at address to compensate for its sitting open.

[@anricoscholten23]

I think this is the problem with a lot of things within the Golfsport. Recently you tested different drivers from different years with minimal difference except for price. This test confirms this and shows that marketing plays a big part in what sells. So I would choose the Cleveland but would buy a second hand Titleist. Just because I like the brand name not because I get the best performance out of it.

[@dashgerhg8772]

I have rogue at the moment and it performs well to my satisfaction but hate the thud sound. When I tried Cleveland man I loved the sound so crispy clean and made the ball felt so good at impact words cannot express. Just can't wait till own it!

[@mikedale5639]

Following your recent video with James Robinson testing older drivers when you jumped from 2013 to 2004 could fill in some of the gap in years by updating your MP650 driver review filmed on a dark evening at Clifton Hill in the pre launch monitor days. Compare it to something new that's at the lower price point like the Cleveland. I use a secondhand MP650 purchased via eBay a couple of years ago and wonder if I'm sacrificing many yards due to technology.

[@michaelclose2196]

Like the look of the Cleveland, especially with the price point. I am using the Ping you were speaking of, the i25, absolutely love it still and the racing stripes are great for alignment.

[@jfminor6191]

Taylormade M5 vs Ping G410 LST both Fitted for you and Dan.

[@neilsmithson7068]

The shaft in the taylormade m6 is not the stock shaft.The stock shaft in the m6 is the fujikura atmos. The shaft you are using,the project x evenflow max carry high launch,high spin is the stock shaft in the m6 d type.What I would like to see is you put the highest launching,highest spinning shaft that titleist make for the men's ts1and put it in a ts3 or ts2 and compare it to the Cleveland.I am no taylormade fan and have no taylormade clubs in my bag. I just think it would be interesting to see how the titleist club would compare to the Cleveland.

[@rl6210]

What shafts are in each club?? Why do you not state in each club before any test or comparison?

[@stephenscheibel4604]

I have played Cleveland in some form since Vijay won The Masters. I bought Quads. I currently game the HB Launcher Driver ‘17 and HiBore 3w 2013. Driver was fitted in testing multiple drivers using variation of same club. Even using same loft and shaft on different club. I am not turned off by the acoustics. But the again the Nike SQ square head sounds cool to me. I it was a toss between my newer irons Mizuno JPX919 and Cleveland sister Srixon Z585. I did choose the Mizuno. But either would have been a great choice.

[@sausagedodgersracing]

The M6 went in the bag after a few tries of different lofts,but definitely feel was there straight away.

[@jeremybuttriss2897]

I’m a taylormade driving guy but the Cleveland was consistently hitting bombs. Be interesting to see the 2017 m2 against the m6 for numbers

[@hbyrdut]

I totally agree about the M6 sitting open. So does the M5, M3 and M4. I have the M1 and it does not sit open. The only reason I haven't upgraded is because the Taylormade drivers sit open and everything I've hit that's not Taylormade can't beat my M1. When I tried the M6 I just couldn't hit it and immediately hit the M5 much better.

[@andrewjgordon1372]

It's Cleveland for me very nice looking driver and you don't have to mess around with it which I love.

[@darrell3118]

That Celveland driver against the Srixon driver you guys really hit well !

[@carlincledon4794]

Different horses for different courses

[@thomaswrigley7343]

I'd like to see you put the same model driver head 2 head with itself... but with different static lofts adjusted to the same playing loft, For example a 9° and a 10.5° ts2 both set at 10.5°, 9.75° & 9° to see what difference the static loft makes in each setting. This test was a 9° fixed head against a 10.5° head adjusted down to 8.5°. In my experience static loft makes a big difference even when adjusted to play the same and maybe the reason Dan struggled for consistency with the M6, especially adjusting it the full 2 degrees.

[@philipnunn1816]

Cleveland for me too........ Looks so much better.... and the price wins as well!!

[@georgeclarke8137]

I'm 70 years old. (Donald not Donna) I can get 240 carry and about 260 total with the Cleveland. 6 ft 2 in. 225 lb. Not bad for an old man. When you hit the driver on the screws, the ball explodes off the face.

[@liamcoakley8395]

Booked in for a fitting on the Cleveland in 2weeks time! 😁👌🏌️‍♂️⛳💯🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@seancook2264]

Spent an hour in a custom fitting session for driver. ST190 was first to drop out then M6 landing with Ping G410. From all tested the longest and straightest were all similar but G410 seemed easier to hit and average of the misses was better.

[@TheBradleyp63]

I don't know if my comment posted. The Ping I 20 was the driver with racing stripes. Contact Ping and have them fix this for the next driver, please. Regarding this video, we all need to be custom fit. Most golfers rob themselves of distance when they try to fit themselves. We need to stick to glued hosels if we are going to buy off the shelf.

[@paulk3198]

Cleveland for me hands down, especially when the price gap is so high. Would also like to see the new cleveland frontline putters reviewed!

[@NWP4440]

I was hitting the Cleveland the other day at my local store, and was very impressed. I have never been a fan of the M drivers in look. Something about it makes it look the size of a dinner plate. The Cleveland looks like something Mr Fox came up with for Batman. The sound is loud, but it doesn’t put me off, like the sound of the Epic Flash Sub....good grief! I plan to test the Cleveland more this winter, and it just may go in my bag for 2020.

[@sevesellors2831]

Cleveland for me, good looking great price, will be trying it to go with my Cleveland irons!

[@spudaccino]

I used to play the CLeveland Launcher from around 2012 and although is was insanely loud was a great driver, for me, Now I play the g410 plus and Id love to see this new Launcher in comparison. Class content as always Mark and Co. Also would be interested in a custom fitting on the Cleveland with the fixed hosel etc. Since we're spoilt with adjustable drivers the fact Cleveland brought out an fixed Hosel really interests me from a fitting perspective.

[@blakeg.1093]

I'd want the TM and I'd try to convince myself that it's the one however after comparing performance I'd be happy with myself that I spent less and bought the better performing Cleveland.......but I still might have driver envy!

[@alistairmarshall169]

I bought the M6 after many months of reviews etc, it took me 2hrs with many different shafts and settings to find what works for me and I got to say after trying many drivers over the last 5 years I think in the M6 I have found it. I got so disillusioned with all the new drivers claiming to do this and that, I ended up with no driver in my bag and used my 3 wood TM RBZ as a substitute, but since I bought the M6 my 3-wood is collecting dust in my bag. The short answer is custom fit every time dont just go with what someone tells you, test it first as these drivers aren´t cheap anymore as I paid 530€ for my M6 as I live abroad Golfing equipment is much more expensive than the UK

[@jimthompson6955]

Just bought the M6 because I got a great deal...$250 off and $120 cheaper than the Cleveland. I'm going to be looking at the Cleveland hybrids and hybrid irons though!

[@bgrritchiet]

I would go with the Cleveland. I tried the M6 for 18 holes of golf in early October. I found it very inconsistent off the tee.

[@chrismcdonald1518]

Can we talk about Dan’s cap?

[@cbroph02]

Chris McDonald while we’re here, let’s get to his angled side burns.

[@bradfordcotta5925]

I agree...the M6 always looks open to me. Not sure if it is because of Twist Face, but don't like it. That being said, it is very attractive from the top.

[@craigvn1]

Soon as I saw one of the new TaylorMade drivers I wondered why they made them so open.

[@larrysmith8002]

Would love to see more price point comparisons. Thanks brah!!!

[@jonathanmayes4731]

Oopsy. I have a m6 10.5 Xstiff shaft. Hit it 285 carry consistently.

[@iank2]

The matt black finish just locks plain sexy. Cleveland over TM on this occasion. Be interesting to See what TM release for 2020.

[@simondavies9039]

A comparison between the Cleveland and the Ping G410 would be interesting, given the similarities between the two. I’m a Ping fan with a G400 Max, so this would be very intriguing. Thanks, good video. It’s nice to see a simulator showing a course rather than just another practice range.

[@iambenvaughan]

I would love to see Dan fit a customer for a driver and show us what we should expect from a good fitter. I would say most people don't know what they should be getting for their fit and are possibly at risk of getting a bad fit and not being sold the correct product for their game.

[@paulbown3960]

I am suddenly wanting to try the Cleveland! A little bit of hot melt to add some head weight and to dampen that sound

[@johnbrennan2636]

Love to see Cleveland v Srixon, now that would be interesting being in essence, the same company

[@carlincledon4794]

I think same company, different target customers

[@johnbrennan2636]

@@carlincledon4794 agree Carl, but why?

[@carlincledon4794]

@@johnbrennan2636 Srixon target 'better' players

[@FunkmeisterOfSedgley]

I've been saying it for ages. Cleveland is the most underrated golf brand. They make great performing clubs at a reasonable price point. This driver though also looks the dogz. Now if Cleveland had the marketing budget of TM, how many drivers would they sell?

[@l3udLight12]

I just ordered a Cleveland Launcher HB so yea it wins for me. Looking forward to hitting the course with it =)

[@tonymoss2484]

Would be nice to see visually the dispersion difference, both left-right and height. Also good to know what shafts in each and at least confirm like for like. Good review though, just like sound of m6 better but not taken by all the bells and whistles! 👍🏻

[@Stavtok]

Thought provoking as usual Mark. Love the M6 with its Tensei Blue CK 60 Stiff fles shaft that I was fitted for. This video has made me wonder how I would have gone with the Clevelend having played and enjoyed Cleveland Launcher Drivers before. However, given that Im striking my drives better than ever at the moment with my M6 (allbeit after a couple of lessons and strike focused practice 😏😉) Im not going to second guess my $600 purchase. 😟😝

[@johncreet1254]

Based on the test it would be Cleveland for me. Like Mark says, I am only going for one fitting for a driver / FW woods and therefore it seems pointless to me to pick anything other than the club that performs best; after all, I am not the expert. I agree with Dan that the sound would put me off and also definitely like the fact that it sits square and stable at address.

[@eastbournegirlsfc3962]

As someone who plays an M4 , I prefer the Cleveland, M6 looks to similar to my M4. I like the all black of the Cleveland

[@julianaustin40]

A quality video guys. I'm looking to buy new toys next year and will definitely look at cleveland after the amazing tests I've seen. Love the fact it's nearly half the price of all the big boys. Ping were going to be my first choice and would be interesting to compare against. They look similar, sound similar? and every review give great numbers.

[@daveeastcott9323]

Cleveland really seem to have made a great club here...Rick Shiels loved it too...

[@thewatchman6074]

I would be really interested in a test of the John Letters tour black driver, against the big names. You never see it in any reviews, but I think it's one of the best out there. Be good to get your thoughts.

[@FLFC77]

not watched it.. I'm about to start watching and I'm excited haha

[@Ivorengland]

‘You have to work harder with the Taylor Made, you have to work to find a good strike, you have to mess around with the spec and settings to get the Taylor Made to work and it doesn’t sit square at address’. The Cleveland didn’t give you a problem with strike, it sat perfectly square at address, not open, it is massively cheaper and it went ten yards further. I know Taylor Made are big and scary but based on your test, the Cleveland is the better driver. Just say it!

[@scothardie7487]

Hopefully going to be booking in a fitting at Shirley park golf club next month for the Cleveland 🤘🏼🙌🏼

[@aartvdmolen]

And obviously against the new Cobra Speedzone (Extreme) after the PGA show

[@dkvalour3574]

You are going to upset the folks at Taylormade again, Mark 🤐😋

[@MarkCrossfield]

In my opinion they are always upset #staffTurnaroundissues in my opinion

[@wiggy123]

Always been a titleist fan boy at heart but try not to have and brand loyalty and play what's best. Decided it was time to move from my old 912 and tried all the drivers. Couldn't see any difference between the 2019 models but as a drawer/hooker of the ball I loved the M6 sitting slightly open. Set it at 10 degrees and just loved its looks and sounds. Great feed back from mishits. Didn't wanna buy TM cos their marketing is garbage but it works for me. That cleveland looks smart though but the lack of adjustability is off putting for when you need to tinker when first fitting. Great vid as always boys.

[@gtsgolf9410]

preferring the mattness and lumps and bumps of the Cleveland. you're going to have to compare it to your TS3 now mark 😊

[@robertsonjkevin]

Did you use the 45 even flow red shaft in that M6 ? if yes, that's a high launch high spin shaft thus perhaps why you were getting those results. Crossfield you're usually fair with these compares, what happened here :) ? Was there a "like" shaft in that Cleveland?

[@MarkCrossfield]

We showed the DL???

[@robertsonjkevin]

@@MarkCrossfield By that you mean Driver Launch? I see so the launch angles were both right around the same, so it was a fair compare as far as how these were set up. Think that's what you're saying.

[@davidmbarr9255]

Would love to see Launcher compared to Ping G410. ...if you can determine which is which!