Why Reptile Keepers call him Dr. Death - Response to YouTube Drama

Veterinarian Dr. Adrian Walton, of the Dewdney Animal Hospital in British Columbia is a really cool guy. But he is not nearly the Snake / Reptile expert he is saying he is.
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[@NewEnglandReptile]

www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5266649. 1500 euthanized by Adrian including frogs. Of course everything was in horrific conditions and victim brought charges of slander. Very sad the more I am finding I reaLize there are some serious numbers dying on purpose. POWER!!!!! Sad! Lots of turtles get euthanized too. Incredible list of animals that are illegal and therefore will be euthanized when found. Shocking what happens if people don’t realize their pet keeping privileges can be lost with incredible consequences!!! We all see what happened to Ty Parks Iguanas in Florida ? FWC just euthanized All of Iguana Lands Green iguanas. Very sad!

[@jordanphelan1150]

Wait are you serious? Why? I'm kinda ignorant when it comes to this topic

[@heatherjohns1501]

Bc they’ve been banned in Florida. You can not breed them in Florida anymore.

[@carrathunt3167]

i cant find anything on FWC and iguanaLand other than them trying to revoke his permits early last year

[@staceyroberts3468]

I haven’t heard what happened to Ty’s iguanas… anyone out there know???

[@Realcookiesdontcrumble]

"Dr."Adrian is an awful person! he needs to find religion. How does killing These animals fix anything?

[@StylaPet]

It’s awkward watching this video as I, a non veterinarian, draw up meds to inject into my sheep and anyone who works with livestock wouldn’t bat an eye so what makes me capable of treating my livestock but not my reptiles 🤔

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Clearly does not make much sense. Elite attitudes for sure! K

[@terezavajs4486]

This is such a good point. It shows how much are exotic animals preyed upon by politicians just to get some good points from their voters for banning "dangerous" pets. They know people who keep reptiles are minority, while if they tried to do the same to farmers the outrage would be way bigger.

[@emariexotic]

@@NewEnglandReptile now this should be a pinned comment. I didn’t even think of this and I’m not sure why. I can go to tractor supply and get injectables for my chickens, livestock, etc and treat them AT HOME with zero guidance and no one would think twice about it. What makes caring for reptiles any different? Especially if your anyone even REMOTELY as knowledgeable as Kev.

[@Nutamu]

I was thinking that exact same thing the whole video. Farmers are given a lot of leeway when it comes to the treatment of livestock but god forbid a snake get the same treatment? Farmers even neuter their farm animals...which is a surgical procedure.

[@Phoenix.Sparkles]

Farmers are generally excluded from any law regarding animals though, same goes for slaughter houses, because livestock have far fewer rights than a cat or dog or even a snake. It's specism, but accepted by society. Man I really hate culture sometimes. Most bias shit you'll ever experience.

[@jennawhite5466]

As a vet tech, I have never seen a problem with any of the ways Kevin does his medical husbandry. He knows his limits, and when he reaches one, he immediately seeks out a licensed DVM’s opinion.

[@chesneymigl4538]

Also an LVT. Absolutely! His videos have been very educational, and he references when he gets vet advice. I mean, it's not like he can write his own scripts.

[@clownworld4655]

On top of this if we’re being honest most vets barely know anything about treating reptiles. You have to seek out a specialist if you want to reliably find someone with more info than what you could simply google

[@HolyNorthAmericanEmpire]

@@clownworld4655 Exactly

[@rizu-kun9687]

Dr. Habib makes an excellent point: how many vets have the training and expertise required to look after venomous snakes? Those who keep them are far better qualified to look after them than most vets are.

[@nowasiwassaying...1699]

I imagine the type of insurance a vet chooses may also dictate whether he/she can work on venomous animals. Im not positive, but I know "red tape" such as that often impacts the services professionals and business owners can legally provide. Special permits and licenses may also be necessary to treat certain animals, which would limit the number of vets one go to. Additionally, a vet clinic may not have the tools and/or housing required to safely work on and home venomous animals, ESPECIALLY in states that experience tornadoes, hurricanes, and/or earthquakes (they often have stricter laws regarding housing, like in Florida, where you have to keep dangerous, potentially invasive, and/or venomous animals in what is basically a bomb shelter lol)

[@golddragonette7795]

My mum is a vet surgeon in Scotland - I've shown her some of your videos with medical treatment. Her response was that Kevin is as qualified as a specialised vet for these procedures, given that she works alongside specialised reptile vets, I'm gonna go with her opinion. What a shitty attack they tried!

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Thank you !!!! Much appreciated! K

[@ptrekboxbreaks5198]

Why is someone's opinion deemed as an attack or slander? I'll have to finish watching to form a full opinion. I dnt know much about either party Yea seems like two people arguing over their opinion but I noticed this is old video so have a good day! Sorry to reply a year after

[@akadam90]

as someone who is scottish want to tell me where the reptile specialists are as they are very few of them around?

[@golddragonette7795]

@@akadam90 I know of one in Coatbridge and Im pretty sure the Glasgow Uni animal hospital have specialists and can give you a list of specialists in te rest of Scotland. Additionally, lizards and snakes are part of the standard vet training in the UK. Turtles are less common and few vets will have much practice with them

[@user-wz8kj6ly9u]

Agreed. After decades of dealing with reptiles especially venomous ones I'm positive there were times kevin faced a medical issue alone!!!!! Over time he has worked alongside vets and other professionals and is still considered world renowned in specializing in animal psychology and physical attributes!! He obviously knows his own limitations and contacts a vet if and when he needs one!!! Going under is extremely dangerous for reptiles so I'm sure that is the last avenue if there is another way to treat or address an issue.

[@chrisw9344]

As a Canadian reptile keeper, I am terrified of sociopaths like Dr. Death are one of my biggest fears. The city I live near(Edmonton) has only 2 vet clinics that will even see reptiles. Trying to get proper medical care is stressful enough without having to worry about my animals potentially being euthanized by being misidentified. Kevin has more knowledge of these animals than most veterinarians.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Very scary up there !!!!! K

[@seanwallace9269]

The fact that they euthanized instead of trying to rehome to a place they are considered legal ( or donate to a rescue organization to live out their lives if rehoming legally was impossible), is bad enough. But the fact he misidentified the species of some snakes and euthanized them on site is abhorrent.

[@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376]

He's a monster.

[@newedition0456]

yea and what's so crazy about it is they along with many other people will stick there noise in some one else life and do the same as this devil is doing. he need's to be shut down as a vet and never to be heard of again

[@DVMCellini]

Isn’t the real problem here simply lack of access to veterinary care for these animals? Seems like if the reptile medicine system was as robust as the mammalian system this issue wouldn’t even exist, no?

[@kyleerosee3]

I live in the upper peninsula of Michigan. There are no reptile vets at all unless i try the college.. Its sad. And i lost a snake pretty much because i had no vet. So this information is so needed to us in the hobby. Hopefully in the next few years more exotic vets start popping up in our areas at least somewhere we can take them without everyone saying no.

[@jaclynnbell1254]

Exactly this. Vets are few and far between for snakes, and even less for hots. So the choice is limited care and death for simple things, or you do stuff yourself.

[@thecryptkeeper5]

I have one vet in the state that sees reptiles and he hasn't been taking new clients since November 2019.

[@Delightedly]

This is exactly the case. As someone who has had to deal with snake emergencies over weekends, I can tell you that no local emergency vet within five hours would even look at the (small, harmless) snake, and I’m in the middle of a large capital city with one of the most famous zoos in the country. The vet that treats their animals doesn’t do weekends because there’s just not enough reptile vets. Stress is so significant in reptiles that the five hour trip for an unwell snake in a travel-safe enclosure to that emergency vet can result in death. Even the emergency advice lines I could call for vet services don’t really do snakes and couldn’t help with what wasn’t that complicated of a problem (my never-met-a-male snake becoming egg-bound). I have guided so many scared friends towards Kevins videos when they have beloved snakes that nobody will treat, or even when they have an animal that they need to get through a week or two until the reptile vet can see them. It’s just not fair to compare that to mammals, for whom care is much more accessible, and pretend that the humans are coming to KZbin for advice out of negligence, and not out of love and desperation.

[@clownworld4655]

Exactly. I’ve long accepted responsibility for having to medically treat my snakes as long as it’s an issue I can handle, because specialists are not common

[@achillywind550]

How in the ever loving hell does one call themselves an animal lover and/or a veterinarian yet euthanize hundreds of healthy animals? No no no. With that knowledge I care about NOTHING else he has to say. Period.

[@thisistheaccountname]

You must have never heard of animal welfare in Romania then.

[@mandyvance7691]

If I had a reptile with a problem I’d 100% trust Kevin. I’ve been a vet tech for 20 years & most vets won’t see a lot of reptiles. As far as culturing everything people (Pet owners) always wanna try antibiotics before to see if it treats it. I wouldn’t take a dead animal to that wackado of a vet.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Thank you !

[@dappyhappy773]

That vet would probably tell you it's a hopeless case and it should be euthanized!

[@labella9291]

Same. If I have a reptile issue, I'm going to go to someone that has YEARS of experience with that reptile. If I have a guinea pig problem or a chinchilla problem or an alpaca problem, I'm going to go to people who have been caring for these animals for YEARS, because they usually know more than vets, since these things aren't really taught. I have had conversations with my vets about treatments for exotic fish diseases and I knew things my vet didn't know, because I was immersed in care of my fish for YEARS and so I knew what was the proper treatment.

[@jessicafang3273]

@@labella9291 My thoughts exactly! Vets for exotic pets are very hard to find and it is sometimes better to ask long time pet owners for their opinion.

[@warriormaiden9829]

@@jessicafang3273 Exactly. I know of 4 exotics offices in my area. That's 4 offices to cover a valley with a population of just shy of 2 million people. We lucked out, with the closest one being less than 5 miles from our house.

[@jessicahartman8484]

As someone who is a huge proponent for proper medical care for all animals, and someone who has kept reptiles for more than half my life and taken many reptiles to the vet, I would trust Kevin with care of one of my reptiles over ANY vet I have ever taken any of my animals to. The majority of vets to not have anywhere near the experience to treat reptiles, unless you happen to find one that specializes in reptiles and even then…I’d prob still choose Kevin.

[@aalynnodell9809]

Same here!!

[@Bushbunnie]

As a Canadian, this debate against Kevin and care for our snakes was so hard to watch. I am beyond saddened, at the choice to euthanize all those incredible snakes in BC. They would have found homes, if you tried that choice first. My heart goes out to their owner. I truly believe in the reality of care, Kevin is teaching us, for the wellbeing of our snakes and his education is priceless. Thank you Kevin for teaching us how to care for the animals I love... More than people. 💜

[@midnightmusings5711]

If my ball python was sick and I had to chose between NERD and Adrian Walton, I would absolutely chose Kevin 100% it’s clear he actually cares about animals and has the knowledge and expertise to treat them 💚

[@NewEnglandReptile]

A few notes: 1. Adrian misidentified snakes in a collection ( they were legal) and euthanized those too. The same collection where 50 ish retics( many babies) were euthanized in their cages. Money maker per euthanized snake. 2. Mike Hopcraft was being charged with animal abuse for giving his blood python a simple enema that was confiscated. 3. Canada has very tricky animal laws and many species such as ball pythons are illegal in certain provinces. 4. Adrian is part of Animal Rights. (crazy because we are the actual animal lovers) and has the idea it’s better dead than kept in captivity. 5. Adrian works with powerful agencies like CFIA where they can storm your collection and depend on Adrian to assess. His lack of expertise is often evident and he incorrectly makes decisions resulting to the loss of animals and charges against the owners. 6. Keepers in Canada are terrified of getting this type of attention as they can lose their animals are in many cases face charges based on Adrian’s expert opinion. 7. We tried to keep this video short but there was so much we had to leave out : we have lots of procedures with excellent results we could have shown. Adrian has appeared over and over in the news countering the keeping and conditions of peoples pets, he loves the limelight. Many people we spoke to were the victims of this behavior and their opinion was terrible of what occurred. Wrong diagnosis seemed quite common, reptiles do not appear to be his strong suit according to them. 8. Never use enrofloxin(baytril) on reptiles? It’s better saved for humans? Wow, what an elite attitude, what does that even mean ? 9. Adrian does procedures online and also does not show the full procedure does that mean he didn’t do all that he should of? Unlike him, I do not assume that he failed to do it but it’s his way of painting further misinformation. 10. Adrian constantly refers to techniques that are very applicable to warm blooded creatures which are far more biologically sensitive to pathogens and bacteria that humans also carry and/or harbor. 11. I love knowledgeable Vets, Doctors and Vet techs and so enjoy spreading my knowledge and hearing their opinion and questions. I may even talk to vets in other states with questions to help them diagnose a possible animal problem. My experience may help them find a solution in a quicker fashion, I’ve seen a lot! 12. We can show our flat nose viper after it’s surgery with no sutures as none were needed, I want it open for healing and the incisions were very small. 13. There are many many great books on vet procedures outlying exact intel, these books are very easy to source but to show as a working knowledge video is somehow a problem. Sooooo many points to expand on. Overall, it’s very sad when trying to show some if the things I learned to help other keepers learn from my success and failures. Thank you as always for your support! Kevin Finally: Why would a reptile keeper (Liam) reach across the void and embrace an enemy of our hobby? Embrace a person that clearly proves he wants to diminish and shut down what we do? Adrian is pro ban of online sales, pro ban shipping, pro over reaching permits, pro banning many species currently kept and pro euthanizing animals without a home or deemed illegal. I think this was a poor poor decision done without much thought as he had an objective, a very personal objective that he attempted to accomplish with misinformation and the aid of our hobbies ENEMY! Why would you even do this ?

[@DustinLikesJiujitsu]

Hit me up if you want to know more about Liam. Hes been banned from almost every fb reptile group for obvious reasons. Hes a tool and loves to slander any and everyone for clicks.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

I have almost no idea who he is and WHY he would go after me! This helps make sone sense. Tell us more please !!!

[@heyher_the_odd]

Never use baytril? I call bull on that. Baytril saved my snakes life. 1st round of antibiotics (started with an F I think though I can't remember 100%) failed to cure a resistant upper RI. Atomized baytril in a sealed container that the snake actually beathed in with the assistance of a nebulizer cured it. Thankfully I have an exotic vet who was willing to try more conservative treatments to cure the snake. I often turn to NERD videos for guidance if I have a snake that isn't doing 100% so that way I can take the animal to the vet with an informed hypothesis about what is going on. Then the vet will assess the animal and either confirm or not that that is the issue. Your community loves you Kevin, we just need to be more vocal about supporting you when this crap happens.

[@DustinLikesJiujitsu]

@@NewEnglandReptile you can ask Tom Stevens or Scott Macfarlane, both kingsnake breeders for decades. Liam loves to argue, contradict everything they're doing even though Liam has never breed anything, ever! He got banned for inciting arguments and plug posting his YT videos. The guy is clout chasing 100%. His niche is making false accusations in hopes of making a career out of his YT channel. Obviously, its not going that well. Nothing he says or does is scientfic, hes completely one sided, only interviewing people who agree with him. Just look at his videos on snake care. 'Natural is best' bashing people for keeping their snakes on paper and not substrate. He bash breeders for using racks. nothing we do as keepers is natural. These animals are lucky, no predators, no hunting, no parasites. You name it, Liam will try to bash it. Sorry for the novel, the guy pisses me off to no end. To bad im not in the UK.

[@mortipotimus246]

I'm clueless about everything. Could you get a vet license? Seems like it would shut everyone up.

[@bryandennis9722]

My vet has misdiagnosed my snakes several times. After i have been watching these videos over the past few years, i have been able to educate my vet a tiny bit. I love the knowledge you are willing to share.

[@MoodyBeany]

As someone who knew nothing about this man before watching this video and then looking at a few articles about things mentioned, I get the vibe he didn't/doesn't want to even be a vet, the way he said specific antibiotics should only be saved for humans shows how little he cares about animals. My first impression is that he wanted to be a human doctor and for some reason couldn't so he took what he could get and is bitter about anyone who is actually helping animals. Thank you for helping animals, and I hope you didn't take anything he said too personally because he clearly doesn't know what's going with you, and is intent to spread misinformation while he himself murders innocent animals. His opinion means less than dirt.

[@michaelkeha]

I think Ludwig Von Mises put it best "Many who are self-taught far excel the doctors, masters and bachelors of the most renowned universities" Kevin is living proof of that

[@Mhanais]

I live in the north of Scotland where there is not a big reptile community or vets specialising in reptiles. Kevin’s videos are invaluable in providing information on reptile husbandry for people in my situation. Kevin is an amazing, engaging and entertaining teacher who obviously cares deeply about animals. It is upsetting that anyone would go out of their way to criticise someone like Kevin who does so much good!

[@ianwhitlock1123]

You do know that it is illegal in the UK to perform surgery on an animal unless you are a qualified vet I hope!

[@iGoddess]

Yeah haters gonna hate and even farmers get prescriptions for their farm animals when they get something that's very disgnosable by farmers who work with these animals on the daily. They do minor procedures themselves too instead of calling a vet every dang on time. Same thing with Kevin who's a very experienced reptile keeper, lover, breeder and seller who deals with them more than any vet does and he knows his animals and the meds he's giving them which are prescribed by a vet. Most of the procedures Kev has done were situations where a vet would've put them down rather than giving them another chance at life. Ppl need to shut up, educate themselves and do research on who and what they're criticizing before they even open their mouths to say one beep !!!!

[@Mhanais]

@@ianwhitlock1123 I have lived and worked on a Croft with livestock my whole life and still do. I have reptiles as pets. We have had to inject animals with calcium and antibiotics as prescribed and directed by our vet and deal with prolapses, worming and lambing issues etc. Our vet deals with anything surgery related although reptiles are not her specialty. I said Kevin’s videos help greatly with husbandry meaning the keeping of and caring for animals. Husbandry is not the same as surgery.

[@sheinz6119]

@@ianwhitlock1123 Does the UK have vets that take care of venomous, etc at the drop of a hat? Probably not.

[@darshnarach8889]

I really couldnt agree with you more, kevins knowlesge has keelped me keep trying to be the best keeper i can be. Words arent enough thanks for Kevins work and help

[@IrieRogue]

Oh boy, anyone talking bad about Kevin or supporting bans in the hobby is not someone I'm going to think of highly. This guy needs to look in the mirror. Dr. Death sounds like an applicable moniker.

[@darcieclements4880]

The clear lack of understanding of the finer points of antibiotics which are very evident in his own videos alone would be enough to give me pause as a source. Trying to finger others as unqualified in that context just shows a person with a very insecure ego. I know he went to some extra class about antibiotic use, but it really sounds like he kind of missed the fundamentals and only held onto the conclusions and is now misapplying the over simplified form. There is a big difference between using an antibiotic in a pet reptile from using it in live stock or farmed populations of any species. Culturing is more useful and the process more straight forward in mammal infections because we have better data on what grows in mammals and how to grow it and what is a pathogen and what is not.... once you switch to reptiles, it is a bit harder because comensil vs disease causing agents become harder to tell apart as documentation isn't as good (and also just the nature of their flora is more... I'm not sure complex is the right word... easily misleading). One of the things that impressed me about Kevin's videos is in some of them he actually goes into the details, correctly! I hardly ever see that outside of scientific papers. Heck, even people who read scientific papers for their videos tend to misinterpret what they just read, so it is pretty impressive that Kevin seems to be able to read those papers. That means he spent time learning that skill, which is great.

[@MommyCassReborns]

Not a lot of reptile vets in our area. The animals you care for get better. Anyone who walks into your shop in NH can see you are all knowlegeable and yall helped me learn how to care for my tortoise and now she is thriving and large. The shop is amazing. Many good habitats. Nice set ups.

[@LifewithLewy]

If anyone watched Kevin for more than 5 minutes they would realize he is more than most vets and most doctors. He’s a legit problem solver. Not too many mechanics now days there are just part swappers. Same goes for docs. It takes a real problem solver to be the best and that’s what Kevin is.. this idiot really made himself look dumb on this one

[@MeUrWishGranted]

As a medical professional (nurse for >10 years) I am VERY skeptical when watching anything medically related. Kevin teaches more than your vet will. He ALWAYS explains why he's doing things in a VERY educated manner. Along those same lines, I know that a degree doesn't mean crap if you have no experience. You don't go to a podiatrist for your heart murmur...

[@juliek5094]

I agree…I’ve been an ICU nurse for over 20 years. Kevin is amazing!

[@thysonsacclaim]

So as a medical professional that has no experience in vet medicine. OK good to know.

[@emariexotic]

@@thysonsacclaim where do you think veterinary medicine started?😂

[@almostpainful8173]

I have been a nurse for quite a while, well said! You can have the degree, time in practice and still be an idiot.

[@almostpainful8173]

@@thysonsacclaim Never underestimate a nurses knowledge

[@chachinski]

As a Vet Tech and my mother being a Veterinarian, in South Florida, both working with Common small animals, Farm, and Exotics. This man is a disgrace on how we care for any animals captive, or wild. I’ve worked with many other vets that would think the same. The animals come first because that’s the job. Putting them before you, and giving them the proper care. Which they can not receive by themselves. Thank you Kevin for posting this, you guys are truly all amazing at NERD for what you do.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

You are very kind, appreciate your words! K

[@coreyhamby2989]

where in south florida? i have been looking for a new vet near lighthouse point

[@johnyount2895]

In the video he's talking about he's talking about when Kevin removed the parasite from that hot snake I remember Kevin specifically saying that he had to keep the animal hydrated because the antibiotic he was using puts a lot of stress on the animals kidneys

[@joshuasands9440]

I am not a reptile owner yet, though I hope to be very soon (been a dream of mine for a long time). I find these videos extremely interesting and informative. Yall are allowing us to see many of the complications that can occur, how to identify it, and how to safely treat the issue (if possible). I also love hearing Kevin explain the processes of how he goes about treating and caring for his animals using what is clearly years of experience doing the same things over and over and letting us know what to do and what not to do and the reasons why. All in all I really enjoy the content that is being put out

[@n.bicalcarata4147]

Considering the multitude of animals you've done treatments for where you've come back later and shown us that they recovered and are now healthy, I think it's safe to say you know what you're doing. Your animals also act like they trust you, and that's even if you have to cut out parasites or drain some sort of clogged duct. The fact that a snake that even appears to have been traumatized by people in the past, like Lilith, feels some sort of trust towards you would be the biggest testament to the fact that you have a lot of respect for these animals and sincerely care.

[@comedianmattrossey]

DAMN WELL SAID bicalcarata!!!!!

[@teijaflink2226]

That shows their not in pain and getting hurt, maybe they even understand that he has helped them.

[@WickensWickedReptiles]

Kevin is one of the most recognized and well respected experts in the reptile community. To see a channel with the word "Research" in the title do exactly zero research before posting that clout chasing video is both disappointing and also absolute baboonery! Well done, well explained, you didn't hide from any accusations and took every thing thrown at you and knocked it out of the park. If you're going to use bigger names for clicks at least make the video positive to uplift the community rather than platform the hobby's biggest critic and threat... like that bald dude with the bearded dragon does ;) TaTa there.

[@niki3590]

💜 = when a 👍 just isn't enough. 💜

[@NewEnglandReptile]

*it bums me out* that several of you think I was hating on Wicken. - Donny

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Thank you. I appreciate that! K

[@emariexotic]

Well said Adam

[@jerryglennie5375]

@@NewEnglandReptile well done on both defending and educating the reptile community, it's sad for other content creators to dig at something unless it's for serious concerns health or ethics. Still taking my berm to the vet though just because I don't trust my triage

[@piteusx8440]

My wife is a vet specialist. She's highly educated. Doing work on your own pets is not advised unless trained. Obviously, Kevin knows what he's doing. I'm sure he calls the 2 vets he referenced for advice if he has questions. Kevin appears responsible. He's the last guy we should be worrying about. Furthermore, he documents his treatments on KZbin. If he was doing something wrong, he wouldn't be doing that. Being a vet is part doctor and part detective. It's still a new science. Unfortunately, there's some guesstimation because of it. Remember the animals can't talk. That by default makes one guess somewhat. Kevin is doing what most vets do ... and it appears he gets advised on the proper medication. The only caveat is that using any steroid is not the answer. These medications are powerful. Everyone, including vets and Kevin, should be careful with it. When my wife first started at the clinic, she was amazed how different her treatments could be vs. the older vets (especially at the mom and pops shops). Like I said, the veterinary sciences is new. It's constantly changing for the better ... especially reptiles. Vets should be WORKING WITH KEVIN to unlock his vast experience to find better treatments. Kevin is not some novice on reptiles trying to get views on reptiles. He's earned his knowledge through experience. As I said before, Kevin is the least of our problems in the reptile world. Kevin is not perfect, but he's pretty good at what he does. He shouldn't have to apologize to anyone.

[@silversiren7046]

I'd agree. Kevin's aseptic technique isn't on the same level as a medical professional (though it's functional) and certain medications are controlled for a reason. He doesn't have that sort of experience. But what he does have, you're entirely right, is years of experience learning about and caring for reptiles hands on and he's sensible enough to seek out trusted professionals where needed. Steve Irwin had no formal animal relevant qualifications, that I'm aware of, yet he was one of the greatest ambassadors for crocodilians and wildlife and possessed expert knowledge in the care and handling of reptiles in general. A formal education is important, of course, to ensure good care. But it doesn't provide the sort of real world experience you get from working with animals every day. That's why vets rely on zookeepers when working with captive species and on pet owners when working with much loved family members for intel. It's a real puzzle and I'm very grateful for the service people like your wife provide. Our buddies can't talk after all and that's really a big part of what vets do. Speak for animals. So, since they can't do it (and probably won't because they're a little ungrateful) thanks to all the vets, vet nurses and support staff.

[@LudwigVaanArthans]

Ivory tower is only accessible to ivory tower residents, we understand :)

[@anitacurnutt7641]

I accidentally came across Dr Death's video and was so freaking angry at the channel and that "Dr". I've worked in large animal surgical facilities and small animal hospitals... Kevin is highly experienced and has learned an incredible amount from Veterinarians as well as intensive research on his own. Quit attacking the "Good Guys". Thanks Kevin for all the information and handling techniques you share!

[@scottwiseman6686]

I just wanted to let you guys (all of you at NERD) know that I’ve been watching your channel for some time, and as a veterinary professional in Canada, I was always blown away by the level of expertise that Kevin had and was willing to teach in his videos. I have learned more from Kevin about reptiles than any of my professional education, and am grateful for channels like his and snake discovery. Just because one veterinarian is a total douchebag, doesn’t mean everyone in the profession feels the same way! :) Keep up the amazing work!

[@sherkylady7765]

@Scott Wiseman. Bravo! Thank you, Dr for giving your professional opinion of Kevin’s level of expertise.

[@jessicamuller5734]

Thank you so very much for leaving a comment! 💚💚💚

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Thank you !!!!! Very much appreciated!!!! Vets are my FRIENDS!!! I’ve met so many opened minded Vets and appreciate our interactions! K

[@philipmead5113]

Very well said!

[@DukeBoyMom]

@@honeybeeart9382 We have been asking you the same. Will I find it as I keep scrolling the comments literally looking for all the dumb shit you kept spouting?

[@Cersilaria22]

I have done my veterinary training and I specialise in reptile surgery and anaesthesiology and I am honestly going to write to the veterinary board RCVS and ask that Kevin be certified as he should be fit the 25+ years education he has behind him and he’s still learning, I am 100% going to sort out a petition so Kevin McCurley can practice veterinary medicine on reptiles, I hope you guys will sign………..And Adrian is just very upset that a dude in a rock band has more knowledge than him !!! It’s just EGO with Adrian !!!!

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Wow this is SOMETHING, very kind words indeeeeed!!!!!! Kev

[@kendrawilliams4108]

This vet tech right here will sign it! Kevin is an incredible resource and a wealth of knowledge! Thank you for helping our veterinary community!

[@comedianmattrossey]

I'll sign it!

[@sharonkaczorowski8690]

I’ll sign.

[@Cersilaria22]

@@sharonkaczorowski8690 I’ll be getting a petition ready in the next week or so I’ll let you guys know thank you for the support xxxx

[@illuxxie]

i love your medical procedure vids, i always feel like im learning more and more without having to guess and worry about false info you are such a big inspiration and your animals are just lovely!

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

Donny! Thank you for putting this together, and putting in the work (as ever!) and all that you do. Kevin, you are a good man. And a great man. Words can't express...but I can try. Your love for animals is so obvious, and your skills are proven to be head and shoulders above the rest. You never cease to amaze me with your kindness, knowledge, skills, ingenuity, and humility. Thank you for all that you do, and that you have been for so long, and moving forward with the times, taking in that knowledge and sharing it with the world. You are living proof of the good that humanity is capable of, even in the face of some truly vile evil. I'd say "please don't ever lose that", but I know you never will. Cheers!

[@Jason-de5pl]

I want to put this out there. Dr Adrian Walton is one province over from me. And the reality of BC legislation allowing the acts from the conservation officers, as well as the vet is unacceptable. The fact of the matter that we Canadian citizens allow the acts to continue is also unacceptable. We should fight so we can have our right to get the best treatmemt for our animals when exotic vetrinarians are few and far in between especially reptile. (Im looking at you CanHerp, your supposed to protect CANADAs reptile keepers not just ontario and to the east.) Im curious if there is anyone enrolled in university here in canada that can share books, and papers used for teaching to see how ourdated/effective it is. Cause clearly Dr.Adrian Walton needs a refresher course. Im not doing this for Clout or for attention i as a keeper want whats best for my community.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

This info needs to come to the SUNLIGHT!!!! K

[@kristenvincent3622]

I’m in BC, and can confirm if you have anything other than a cat, dog, or horse (big $$$) in need of care it’s either nearly impossible to find a vet who will see the animal, prohibitively expensive, or their first response is “I can put it down, that’s the best thing for them” ($300+ and it will only take 5 minutes) one week supply of amoxicillin for a pet rooster and an examination (confirming I was right and he needed the otherwise unavailable here medication) cost me a little over $500. The chicken was a free rescue. I love reptiles but don’t keep them, primarily for reasons like this. I also remember those incidents featured on the news it was heartbreaking

[@horsecrazykrissy]

Nice rebuttal, Donnie. You did a good job. Walton is a known cancer in the Canadian reptile community. It was a shame seeing R&R stoop to this level.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

We would love to hear any of your insight!!!!!! Thank you. K

[@HelloWorldxx3]

Please elaborate

[@_just_kowu_4307]

@@HelloWorldxx3 I agree, I'd love to hear more about that

[@beckylight257]

Kevin's videos have made more of an impact in the health and care of our reptiles than any vet.

[@lucky.jynx.elvira]

Anybody that has ever watched videos that Kevin and nerd produce should be able to easily see how well his animals are taken care of and how much he truly cares about all animals especially reptiles

[@melissalopez3645]

Currently in school majoring in Animal Health and Behavior and 7 years into the hobby NERD has influenced me and taught me a lot on exotic reptiles. There's always room for learning and growing especially when it comes to medicine. I've been in some reptile groups on Facebook, follow IG accounts and I've NEVER seen someone so passionate as Kevin. You and your staff are amazing at what you do and inspire me to be a better hobbiest and possible Zoologist or Veterinarian in the near future. Sending you all my support and love from New York.

[@MilleniumNemesis]

This makes me so, so angry and so, so upset 😡😡😡 Kevin, we ALL have your back. We know you do the upmost for your animals, licensed or not, we know you know what you're doing. You are the person we'd ALL think of if we had an issue with our reptiles, no questions asked. We all have your back and whatever support we can give you (even though some are overseas) we'll be there. Please keep that head of yours held high. You, more than anyone else on KZbin and the reptile community, deserve to. Keep it high! Much love guys x

[@aharrod2303]

What I find most useful about the NERD channel is it provides solutions to reptile husbandry and/or health issues that most animal vets are unfamiliar with in treating. The number of vet techs who watch and appreciate this channel says a lot for Kevin's knowledge. A friend of mine was able to show her vet a video Kevin had done concerning treatment of intestinal parasites in snakes and her vet, who admitted he was not really a reptile vet, agreed with the treatment plan in Kevin's vid and saved my friend's boa. Thanks Kevin, because her snake is alive and thriving today.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Wonderful!!!!!!!! K

[@shannonbailey342]

I love all the information. You guys show the good, bad and ugly. Most ppl dont want to show everything. The world isnt just roses. To see how you handle different situations helps other keepers that maybe experiencing the same thing and not kno what to do. Thank you for all you do!! For all the videos and helpful information!!

[@kerrispag5690]

Adrian is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. He also probably feels threatened because Kevin's knowledge of reptiles and their care far excedes his own. I think you're amazing!

[@Yessirrrsz]

Tufts is one of the best veterinarian schools and for them to take their students to NERD to learn says a lot.

[@benhorrell432]

You guys are awesome keep doing what your doing. Showing what happens behind closed doors so people can see it’s not just all smiles and rainbows. Watching Kevin work is amazing and the fact that he is willing to share the knowledge he has gain over the years is amazing.

[@anitaslack]

Never has Kevin said to do what he does. He doesn't risk his animals to gain views. He makes it clear that he's learned and educated himself, and doesn't go into any video lightly. People try things to see what works for their animals. These are Kevin's animals. People post random crap on social media on a regular basis that put themselves, others and animals in danger. This guy is ridiculous. Don't tear others down to enrich yourself. 🌻💙

[@dvlexotics2177]

Kevin would never do anything to harm his or anybody else's animals. This "doctor" knows nothing about Kevin for all we know he is licenced but chooses to breed reptiles and own a pet store because it's what he loves. Point is he can't point fingers at somebody he knows nothing about. Oh and Kevin Lee the bird lady from Northeast exotics says hi.. lol she is my cousin and also has nothing but nice things to say about you... And also agrees you know what your doing and would trust you with any of her exotics as I would also.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Thank you very much !!!! K

[@jessicamuller5734]

Great video Donny! Clearly Dr Death didnt fully watch any of the videos just bits and pieces. He should stay in his LANE! As someone who visits NERD whenever I can because I LOVE seeing how Kevin is with all of his anaimals and seeing how they interact back with him is simply just amazing and I’m forever greatful for being able to witness some of the stuff that goes on there. Kevin your amazing and we LOVE you keep doing what your doing and helping all these amazing animals! We Love you and will always have your back ~J~ 💚

[@NewEnglandReptile]

I love you back! K

[@symong01366]

I'm from the UK And I can see how dedicated you guys are with your animals you have my support and love

[@powerfulddp5521]

Donny going above and beyond the call of duty as usual and showing those guys what a little bit of digging and dedication can really do in a response video 😂 amazing as always donny! Much love to everyone at NERD!!

[@hanhlike]

i stand with kevin and NERD. i can see the love and care he has for animals.

[@nathanrupley]

Does keeping large pythons in enclosures that would be better for king snakes show his love of animals? What about knowingly breeding and selling morphs with neurological issues?

[@juliek5094]

@@nathanrupley I feel like defending my mentor today. Anyone who knows me knows I would do anything for my animals and the mentors who helped shape the kind of keeper I am . I don’t hold back so I will insult you until the cows come home. You deserve the insults for being such a douche. Now kindly f k O f f forever!!

[@nathanrupley]

@@juliek5094 Also, what if, instead of defending your mentor, you stood up for the welfare of animals?

[@melodyh8807]

@@nathanrupley Get out of here with that crap. He's done this for longer than you've been alive, I'm pretty sure he knows what he's doing.

[@nathanrupley]

@@melodyh8807 I started keeping reptiles in 1987. That being said, sure he knows very well how to keep snakes alive and breeding with bare minimum care. I'm sure there are puppy mill owners that have been abusing their animals for a long time too. This is what I don't get. In my corner of herpetoculture, we try to figure out what is right based on research, evidence, and logic. How come every time I critique these large rack breeders, all I get is appeals to authority?

[@G0REgoreGADGET]

You guys respond to criticism incredibly well. It actually blows me away. I was critical of the feeding video that came out a short while ago, and you guys fully addressed it. Top-notch guys and girls over at NERD. Keep helping people learn about and care for these animals! Edit: I think this guy is scared that Kevin is going to come take his job haha.

[@jessicamuller5734]

💚💚💚💚

[@dappyhappy773]

What happened in that feeding video needed calling out. Many of us did so. We know how much Kevin cares for every creature he encounters. There is just no way he would see harm come to any of them, let alone inflict pain on them himself. Keep doing what you do Kevin!

[@kristenvincent3622]

Nope, can’t take his job… just show him up too much for the ignorant POS this vet is. Kevin wouldn’t leave his Venomous or other “illegal in BC” large reptiles for Canada (even if our weather is much better here on the West Coast!) so few good caring vets here, most just want the pay… vets cost more than human services here!

[@G0REgoreGADGET]

@@kristenvincent3622 Definitely not! I guess I mean that it almost seems like it comes from a place of fear or something. I'm probably being way to generous to the guy. Dude is probably just a crap person honestly. Especially with the kind of things that he's done.

[@raycooksey9060]

I am new to the BP hobby ( 3 months now ). Very happy that we have obtained 4 snakes ( 1 waiting for weather ) from N.E.R.D. This was due to the obvious love and knowledge Kevin has and demonstrates every time we see him. I have gained a new understanding and respect from this video for Kevin, Donny and the rest of the crew at N.E.R.D. I knew Kevin was a busy man but had no real appreciation for “ How Busy “. Only a deep love for what you are doing can motivate you to be so dedicated day in and day out. Thanks to you and your team.

[@coreymac2381]

It is sad that Kevin is too frequently attacked by self serving, ignorant people. I hope this doesn’t prevent Keven from making medical videos. I learn so much from him and I have total respect for his medical abilities with regards to reptiles.

[@HelloWorldxx3]

You want to learn how to treat problems you don't know what they are?

[@nathanrupley]

Maybe if Kevin provided proper care for his animals, people wouldn't complain.

[@comedianmattrossey]

Is this the same Corey Mac that live's or lived in Edmonton, worked at PJ's?

[@coreymac2381]

@@comedianmattrossey No

[@comedianmattrossey]

@@coreymac2381 Oh ok. I have an old work friend of exactly the same name that I know from Edmonton. Strange how you have the exact same name

[@Lizerdbrain]

Thank you guys so much. The euthanasia of those snakes happened in my town.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Ohhhh so you know about that one!!! Very very over the top In my opinion and callous as hell. K

[@kaylacolegrove7994]

Anyone who loves animals themselves would hear the love in Kevin’s voice when he address issues with any of the animals you have. You do amazing things with these animals and I would trust you with my pet if ever needed.

[@tserved1]

Man Kevin ...I love your passion for reptiles you are so knowledgeable im so happy their is people like you around to advocate for reptiles keep up the content!!

[@laffatlife2937]

I trust Kevin more than any veterinarian in NH. I was married to a veterinarian and he graduated Cornell did low cost treatment and most of what kevin does he would have done before he passed away.

[@DukeBoyMom]

@@honeybeeart9382 wow. Now you’re just saying shit to be an asshole. Where do you get off talking to people like that? And you expect to make a difference and change peoples opinion on something when your spouting completely rancid bullshit in the comments?? GTFOH

[@NewEnglandReptile]

I went over to Adrian’s page to say hi “Hi everyone, figured I step into the fire a bit and say “hello” and add a bit of information. I wonder if this will be deleted. There are always two or more sides to a story but the original video attacking me was lacking greatly in many points and ideas. I am sad that so many people took this video at face value without knowing things further or thinking that just maybe there might be more to it all. When I do my procedures I do them with knowledge gained over many years and with the experience and know how of many vets I have worked with. I use working knowledge which has often allowed me to get to the “crux” of the matter as I’ve learned what to look for. I read animals and study their body language and behaviors. It’s troubling to be accused of many things that are in fact untrue, we try to keep our videos short and digestible so many parts are cut out when deemed “boring” by Donny. In other videos as an example I show the use of prescribed lidocaine prior to a simple procedure. I made an easy target with clever edits and the claims that what I am doing is illegal is far reaching. I’m not here to argue the details but as intelligent beings there possibly is another side to the story and a few minutes further may explain the bigger story here. I love animals more than anything, my entire life’s purpose is designed around them and that love is even for insects and such! Being criticized by people that are actually not truly experts at their crafts is something, not being to even identify a common species is interesting. I am pro hero community, my heart is that of a hobbyist and any attempt to claim otherwise is due to being unable to look at my content or hear my works without incredible bias. I spoke out against Adrian euthanizing an “illegal” collection in 2013 online, he Carry’s a bias against me for that clearly. He euthanized permitted animals, mis identified some and killed the offspring, power and a good pay day a likely the priority. So much more to this story but I’d expect this comment to deleted like the others! Kevin “ Just to make myself smile!

[@grahambattison8459]

Its liam who's really out to get you.. remember that

[@niki3590]

💜💜💜

[@childofentropia]

In reading many of your critics I come across this term that normally means very good things, but in this case seems to have been weaponized. Against you for the moment, but you're just one in a string of targets (some of which I'm sure rightly deserve the criticism). That term is "evidence-based." It seems this term has been perverted to mean something more akin to "properly accredited," in this case properly accredited as a vet, I'd assume. Regardless, I don't see how anyone could view the methods you use as lacking in evidence-based information (that is, a body of knowledge gained through proper scientific inquiry). You use industry standard drugs and methods. In regards to behavioral analysis and care, some clearly bearing a personalized mark but no less grounded in the gathering and promulgation of evidence and repeatability. This is why I had trouble agreeing with their criticisms of your methods. What is "evidence-based" if not based in properly scrutinized evidence and repeatability? One point of contention I could yield to in this situation is perhaps a claim that other less experienced, less knowledgeable people will see what you do and think, "well, he is not a vet, and neither am I, so surely I should attempt a risky procedure rather than seek experience." Of course, this is absolutely an insane line of thought, but as we know from reading anywhere online, the internet is full of fucking morons. Is it your job to continually mention the need for evidence-based, properly experienced care? I don't think that's a question I'm qualified to answer. But any claim that you do NOT operate under evidence-based imperatives is, in my opinion, misinformed. To say such is to judge on appearance. Rather than a lab coat and a background of vet equipment, you have a pony-tail and torn jiu-jitsu shirts. If this is one's mark of a qualified person, I suggest that person is also likely an idiot. It equates to weaponized use of that term "evidence-based." It strays more into the realm of clout-chasing and social media outrage than care-based, evidence-based practices. Moving forward there is, in my opinion again, a wonderful topic of conversation about just what constitutes "evidence-based" care, and who should seek to do what, and why we should seek to do what it is that we do. All of us, in whatever our career is, stand on the backs of experts with decades, cumulative centuries of expertise. Through this crucible the methods that do not work are burned away until those that do work remain to guide what we do. The question isn't what we look like when we do it, but if we have learned from them as we do it, and if we have enough wisdom and humility to realize when to consult and when to act. All the best.

[@Upper_echelon_exotics]

I honestly didn't know what to think when I watched the other video. It's easy to look at someone who is supposed to be a professional and think that they know what they are talking about. I have definitely learned from this experience to do my own research. After watching the other video I didn't know what to think and was actually waiting to see what you guys had to say about it. There were people blindly commenting on the other video and saying that "the fan bois will stand behind you guys " they were basically saying that a person is dumb if they keep following you guys after watching the reptiles and research video. I just knew there had to be more to it so I was just waiting. Although I should have Googled the "good doctor." I'm just glad that I took their video with a grain of salt and decided to see what you guys had to say. I actually am kinda hoping that the get some sort of recourse for trying to slander you guys like that.

[@comedianmattrossey]

Kevin, You truly DO NOT HAVE TO EXPLAIN. I don't know if you've seen my comment, but I have friends in Vancouver and the GVRD who lost animals because of this A Hole. Its 2 things with Walton, easy payday, and small ego that he is in a constant race to fill.

[@BrandonWestfall]

The shade in that last line...damn lol

[@DNGJustSnakes]

I for one love Kevin showing medical stuff...and I have half the same books he has...so many vets won't even touch a reptile and especially our beloved venomous or they will but know less about working on them than we do as owners...how sad is that...so most of the time we have no options but to work on our animals ourselves...keep up the great work guys!!!

[@cara9648]

The amount of misinformation and lack of reptile knowledge from Adrian was blindingly obvious. I don't understand why he's called in to "assess" reptiles when he has no knowledge on them. I would trust any reptile of mine to Kevin's expertise any day. Kevin actually knows what he's talking about and doing.

[@BigManBrock]

I don't understand how anyone would think Kevin and anyone at NERD has anything but the best regards for these animals. Y'all keep up the good work.

[@Just1Nora]

One of my favorite KZbin vets Enoch the Cow Vet calls skin: nature's gloves and that man is busting abcesses, in slurry, dealing with all kinds of infections, etc, and just says, "He/She doesn't have anything that I don't already have. No worries!" Honestly, unless you have open cuts or wounds on your hands gloves just make for easier cleanup. This man is just looking for reasons to be critical because Kevin doesn't have a degree. I'd call that jealousy and spite.

[@chrystpick7741]

Watching that makes me soooo glad for my vet. He has years of experience with dogs, cats even farm animals. And alot of specilised contacts in the surrounding area of where i live. He 100% would say "you need a specialist in reptiles, let me give them a call to get some advice on best thing to do now, and get the info i have here transfered and then you can ring for a appointment with them".. and if it was urgent care needed now he would call, send pictures, do what they say to stabilise the animal then transfer care, once its safe to travel. Ive seen him do this before, no shame in not knowing, no ego to say pts, just pass to the best people give the care needed.

[@karyannfontaine8757]

It is very difficult to find a vet willing to treat snakes. There is not enough known about reptiles vs. dogs. Kevin is wonderful and knows so much more than any vet I have ever taken my snakes to see, even for wellness checks. If one of my snakes had a problem I could not treat, I would trust him or her to Kevin for help.

[@DukeBoyMom]

@@honeybeeart9382 Did Kevin hurt you or something? Like, accidentally put it in your butt or something. You seem personally mad at him. Like, hard core mad.

[@parisinthe30sx]

@@honeybeeart9382 lol. How many ridiculous comments are you going to make? Clearly you don't work for a living as you seem to have alot of time on your hands. Making baseless claims? It's pathetic.

[@andrewramsdale]

@@honeybeeart9382 prove he is an animal abuser he literally had to remove a growth off his snapping turtle by himself cuz an actual reptile vet wouldn’t remove it and he called more than one vet

[@crystalbainbridge5339]

Ohh Kevin and Donny you guy's delt with this in a very intellectual and amazingly way. I know so much work and effort was done into bringing this situation to light for people to see how it really is. Kevin I know you love and admire your animal's, you'd protect them with your life. Donny you work so hard for your dad😄 and he definitely appreciates you and all you do. You both are extremely intelligent individuals, I respect and love you guy's so much.💜

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Very kind! K

[@crystalbainbridge5339]

@@NewEnglandReptile I'm just me and I like real people.

[@melissaf.5898]

Well said Crystal! (Loveeveryanimal)

[@crystalbainbridge5339]

@@melissaf.5898 thank you

[@andrewjames5373]

Anyone who isn't blinded by their own agenda knows how much love everyone on the NERD team has for all animals, from the tiniest feeder to the biggest snake. We appreciate you all. I would also like to see the low budget rebuttal video of Kevin yelling at the camera for 5 minutes :)

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Haaaaa haaaaaaaaa. I did post three videos on my IG yesterday venting a bit. K

[@RyanEvans1228]

It's pretty clear Kevin knows what he's doing and loves his animals

[@Durr8800]

Its fucked up as a reptile owner in canada 90% of vets will not treat reptiles and this is just sad

[@NewEnglandReptile]

We keep learning about the tough spot reptile keepers can be in in Canada.

[@fishabrego6432]

I've said it many times before and I will never stop saying it. Kevin is my go to guy for any reptile mishaps. His videos have always been educational and informative as well as highly interesting. I've yet to find someone who makes this understandable and comprehensive when working on any of his animal to the audience. Without him I've certainly would've lost some animals cause half the vets dont know what to do or care for reptiles around my area. Our family has always seen Kevin as a fountain of knowledge and information when concerning any type of animal but definitely reptiles. That will never change and some half wit crack pot of a veterinarian isnt gonna change how much we love, support, and appreciate Kevin for everything and all he's done for this hobbie! 🖤✌

[@patrickfo967]

I‘ve lost a common musk turtle baby as a beginner because of a so called reptile expert doc… i knew too little back Then. Keep up the great work Nerd Crew & especially Kevin you thought me so much already. Greetings from Germany !

[@boonanner]

As soon as a saw snarfles I just had that *feeling* that people are gonna freak out about it, glad you guys took the time to clarify at the end 👍

[@dragons96901995]

I live in Canada, and I gotta say I admire Kevin. The bottom line is reptiles as pets in Canada are still not widely accepted as pets (bans in several provinces) and therefore there are not many vets who have an inkling of how to help a sick reptile so as keepers in Canada we MUST have some knowledge on how to care for our animals before problems become severe because most vets won't or can't help. I've even had a vet in my area, who I had over for vaccinating my dogs, comment in how well my reptiles were cared for and how healthy they are and it's because of people like Kevin who have the knowledge and SHARE that knowledge with other keepers, it gives us all a chance to do what's best for our animals rather than having so many euthanized because guys like Dr. Adrian have no idea what they are doing.

[@teddypawncrumps23]

It seems like this man got a veterinarian degree and got mad that he isn't making money like a KZbinr, so instead he decides to condemn people who didn't waste their life savings on a vet degree and are doing well... for clout.

[@TwiztidPain]

Just watching and listening to Kevin talk about Animals you can tell he has a deeep passion and love for them. From the smile on his face, extinsive knowladge to the enthusiastic tone in his voice. Pluse every reptile you guys s how is is always well taken are of. Even when working with a sick or injured animal you can tell Kevin is thinking of that animal, simply due to the animal being calm, and non deffensive.

[@bencarson7668]

Kevin is the most knowledgeable and caring reptile owner I have ever come across on KZbin/ social media. This is coming from someone all the way in Australia! I have never come across someone with the level of intelligence and care for these like Kevin, the guy is more knowledgeable then most vets when it comes to reptiles

[@dorothymarr5073]

I would trust Kevin hand down a 100%. He knows his stuff. Always for the animals health and never about money. Kevin keep being you x

[@nathanrupley]

When Kevin 1st bred spider ball pythons, he didn't care about the "wobble" and said he thought it was "cute". He still knowingly breeds and sells them to this day.

[@kirstyoneill6609]

Anyone who watches NERD and listens properly to what Kevin says knows he has been doing this for years with veterinary advice and vet issued prescriptions, he takes excellent care of all his reptiles xx ❤️ xx Keep up the great work guys xx

[@DukeBoyMom]

@@honeybeeart9382 Hi! Me again. Are you still here? What clinic did you work in? You should provide us with an introduction video. I’m intrigued.

[@lenoreellis8107]

@@honeybeeart9382 Are you talking about that Liam guy or that Canadian vet who likes to heart stick snakes?

[@kirstyoneill6609]

@@DukeBoyMom I was wondering if they actually worked in a clinic too. I don't think @Honeybee Art does though or they would have made a video by now.

[@katnkritters9281]

while i don’t watch NERD on a regular basis i can agree that a lot of vets don’t know a lot about exotic animals. i took my baby pixie frog to the vet for a prolapse and while they gave me medication for her they didn’t notice that her front feet are stunted and her mouth hangs open which is a sign of calcium deficiency. honestly it broke my heart that i had to hear it when i posted her on a pixie frog group chat and was stunned. she’s my first pixie so i didn’t know the signs and i feel responsible for her not getting the proper care from her previous home and not identifying her disability sooner. a lot of people are telling me she’s gonna have to b euthanized but i’ll keep her as long as she’s fighting and being her vibrant little self.

[@dragonking175mcfarren5]

Hope you guys keep making the great videos will love to keep watching you guys are One of the best retail people help me out when my clutch went bad this year 2 egg survive thanks to you guys They are doing great ones being a pain in the ass but the other one slamming down food thank you guys keep up the great work

[@darwill7834]

I'm sorry I've had reptiles for nearly 30 years and I think I know a bit but Kevin's on another league I'd actually prefer to take me reptiles to Kevin than my vet as Kevin knows loads more . And anybody that questions Kevin's care for his animals clearly has other agendas as he goes to levels well beyond any vet will .

[@loriw2661]

I was a Vet Tech for 25 years. I worked for a Vet here in south Florida who, at the time, was the only vet within 200 miles that worked on reptiles. What he learned about reptiles did NOT come from his schooling, it came from caring for his own collection. What Kevin does, his procedures, his knowledge of antibiotics, bacteria (prokaryotic microorganisms), etc., is spot on. His techniques are many times, “old school” for which a better way has yet to be found. Kevin knows more about reptile medicine than 99% of general veterinarians.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Very kind but very appreciated words! K

[@ithewho6603]

Probably true, I have a long ass drive to closest exo vet. But I think the main concern of the video is how legal that is because it provides "free ammunition" to activists who wants to bann all of the hobby. I've had my concerns about the medical videos and I appreciated the vet giving his expert view on it, however I didn't get the feeling he was bringing up the subject quite fairly. I got the impression he didn't watch the videos fully because he didn't say anything about vets refusing to do a surgery on the snapper nor the fact that Kevin has vets in hand when needed. I think this was a good counter video and I appreciate Kevin taking the time to explain in details of the medication and equipment he uses. I know he does that a bit in his videos, but more detailed one was good to see.

[@Gael32]

Can not be overstated that this is the case even today. I’ve taken many of my reptiles to the vet over the few years that I’ve been keeping them. Each time I learn something new about vets. The last time I took one of my hognose snakes in the lead exotics vet ( specializing in reptiles) outright told me that he has no experience with this species and that they don’t teach you everything at veterinarian school. He said the only way they get any experience in the practice is to literally hope that people allow them to work on their animals without experience and that when they run into a problem or species they’ve never encountered before they have to consult the books or even reach out to keepers in the community who know more than they do about a particular animal.

[@Gael32]

@@honeybeeart9382 Did you watch the video (this video) where Kevin said he consults with Vets and still has to get his prescriptions filled through them?

[@Gael32]

@@honeybeeart9382 Ok, so what or who would you consider a "legit" vet? Also, why is it wrong for someone to be payed for their time? There is no way in hell I, as a professional in my field, am going to sit down for an interview while taking time out of my busy schedule without being payed for consultation (speaking on my own field, not as a veterinarian). The people who do it for free are either really passionate about what they do or doing it for exposure reasons. Most vets are either to busy, not as passionate about their jobs, don't know enough on the subject, or just don't care to get involved because it could lead to bad press in either direction. Also, I've boarded animals at the vet before. They are kept in enclosures far smaller than what you see at NERD. They don't have giant facilities to accommodate all the space that would be required.

[@TheJesterforever]

As a person who inherited an older abused reptile, I came to recognized that the public market does not cater to our scaley friends. Its is critical and necessary for proper husbandry to learn from experts like kevin.

[@Boamankingsnakelover]

Doctor Waltom shouldn't have killed all those innocent and healthy reticulated pythons

[@robertalatora9965]

Anyone that watches this channel knows Kevin knows what he is doing. He is so knowledgeable, and I'm positive that if he couldn't do said procedures he would go to one of his vets!!!!

[@AlexsAgamids]

Fantastic video Donny! A perfect rebuttal and not an “attack” video like what the other channels did. Glad to see you guys representing how REAL reptile enthusiasts are compared to Animal Rights people pretending to be. Keep up the great content!

[@DukeBoyMom]

@@honeybeeart9382 Again, who the hell are you??? I can troll you the way you’re trolling Kevin’s supporters.

[@horsemanshipper]

If this isn't an attack video, then there don't exist attack videos 🤣🤣 Trying to undermine a vet by telling half truths without any proper background information on cases ABSOLUTELY NOT linked to ANY of the matters they said they would defend... This is an attack video 100%. The first half of the twitch stream was pure about attacking. The other half just was them telling what they have and what they can, not why they didn't use the proper meds or techniques... They didn't defend one of their actions in that video, only attacked and then side tracked...

[@phoenixrose6254]

@@DukeBoyMom Honeybee account is fake, it was made two weeks ago, exactly the same day when the other video dropped. I believe it was made by this user himself. If you pay attention and listen to how he speaks/read how he types backs on the original account(which is rare) it is very similar. If you also notice, this account responds to nearly all comments made against him. He gets notifications on his channel then responds back through another in hopes to not jeopardize his name. I’m sure he has multiples.

[@DukeBoyMom]

@@phoenixrose6254 Oh, I know. I’ve called them out for that in other comments. Literally trolled them one night until I ran out of comments to reply to. Then my head was in a slightly better place the next day so I quit bothering with it. Lol

[@michaelpotts6511]

You guys do absolutely amazing work and have some of the most amazing animals I have ever seen keep up the hard work love from BC Canada

[@christinemouton4220]

Kevin please don't let this doctor upset you, surely you know more about reptiles than he do ,there usually see birds,cats and dogs. Your knowledge are amazing 👏they can learn from you. Love you,love they way you care for your animals. Lots of love from South Africa 🇿🇦

[@niki3590]

Very well done Donny and Kevin! I could have watched an hour long video on this but I understand why you kept it short. Heck I could watch an hour long video of Kevin and his world everyday. Get some sleep guys, you both have been working to hard. 💜💜

[@joshualandry3160]

Ahh, a video about a snake. And I don't mean the reptile kind.

[@NewEnglandReptile]

Clever !!! K

[@mizzstrawberry_]

Kevin we all stand by you and NERD completely 100% believe in everything that you do your treatments of your animals always astounds me because you are so amazing and you always put those animals first their safety their happiness everything comes first and I wish there were more people on this planet like you people that don’t care about views people that genuinely care about the animals and again we all love you and stand behind you

[@jenniferlarson8223]

Canadian here... Some of us up in North here, are dumber than a pair of snake mittens ;) I fully support NERD. You guys are doing great work. If I want an experts opinion, Id get it from you guys.

[@somedwarf1059]

My avian vet also guessed the antibiotic at first. I was offered testing and told it would be necessary if my pet wont get better. And with the whole anesthesia thing. It is always a risk to put an animal under anesthesia and sometimes you have to weigh the risks and benefits. That wierd vet just gives me PETA vibes. Acts like he loves animals, but kills healthy animals that he cant even identify properly.

[@luissnakeman6265]

I believe most vets who tend to hate on pet owners who treat their own animals are actually more concerned about the money they lose out on as more people tend to avoid high vet bills

[@jennifermatthews4474]

Thank you Donny and Kevin for this video. I absolutely LOVE watching your channel and love watching Kevin's passion for animals. Thank you for sharing your knowledge that you have acquired over the years from both RESEARCH and expertise from VETS. As a Joe Smoe that has no medical degree I understand watching you that you have clearly gotten your medication from a vet, but I guess this Joe is smarter than some hot air vet in British Columbia 😉 keep up the amazing work Kevin and everyone at NERD!

[@Hunter-lt3bl]

It’s so kind of you to give little man a shoutout!

[@alicinsane3003]

What we as nerd followers know is that Kevin treats his animals with more care and respect than he does most people. To have someone like dr.Walton spew misinformation is insulting. I’d say he has a right to his own opinion but not under our Constitution ! Kevin, don’t be too upset, we know who you are. And always remember “ YOU CAN’T FIX STUPID “ !!!💋🖤

[@_Hazel_0.0]

Anyone with eyes can see that Kevin is unlike anyone on this planet. His thought process is galaxies beyond everyone elses and most importantly.... He. Knows. What. The. Fuck. He's. Doing. I'm sure he's made mistakes in the past, everyone has, but one mistake he'd never make is going into a situation with an animal that he doesn't understand. Kevin deserves so much better than some Sidd the sloth mfer having his name in their mouth. Kevin, you're amazing, keep on doing what you do, anyone who speaks utter bullshit like this about you isn't worth breathing the same air as you.

[@tThisNThat]

well said!

[@user-mf2sj7rd6m]

Lol how is his thought process galaxies ahead of everyone else’s?

[@itsalbatross4204]

Kevin is a better vet than pretty much an actual clinic, he really cares about the animals, their wellfare, and the people who are really concerned about their pets rather than the money.

[@tanyaroberson9629]

"I don't know if this is going to survive or not lets just try it" is exactly what more than one vet has said to me about my pets before.