Why Slayer's Kerry King Turned Down Megadeth

[@toneconsultant]

Life is much better with Slayer being Slayer and Megadath being Dave.

[@danman6669]

*Megadeth

[@chthonicwarlord]

@@danman6669 *Megadave let's be honest with ourselves.

[@sirspongadoodle]

@@chthonicwarlord yes lets be honest , marty friedman added so much life into rust in peace, so far so good so what, etc.

[@scottbradford4130]

Serious

[@coldguto]

Slayer and Megadeth are a prime example of how different and versatile thrash can be. As king said, their writing and riffing methods were and still are totally different, so it was a matter of time before kerry had to choose between deth or slayer

[@undrwrldsk8fred]

Such a sick premise.. to choose between being “deth” or “slayer” lol

[@jal576]

Agreed 100%. Thrash may be the best sub genre in metal

[@JayPine1357]

Kerry king is nothing without Jeff

[@LouisWinthorpe622]

True. And all the different bands and everything in between that all have their own different sounds and vibe, as well (Testament, Exodus, Kreator... the list goes on and on). I actually feel pity for the people who dismiss it and say that 'it all sounds the same'. We can obviously hear all little flourishes and nuances and stuff that those people aren't capable of hearing.

[@dylanallen7720]

@@LouisWinthorpe622 I can’t wait to see testament and exodus they are coming to my city in September!

[@jonathandufern7421]

Dave is crazy but he is a savant as well. He’s one of the best rhythm players, Lead guitarists and sing while doing it all. Most great guitarists can’t do that…especially with Dave’s complicated riffs. I like how Kerry still gave him some props in a way

[@leewright7623]

Definitely one of the goats of thrash and I'm a Slayer man (with Dave on drums of course)

[@ScreamBloodyGore145]

Most tech-death guitarists can do that even better. Bands like Nile, Beyond Creation, necrophagist, Dying Fetus etc. Dave is great, dont get me wrong, but stating that "most great guitarists can't do that" is exaggeration

[@hinjurock70]

@@ScreamBloodyGore145 Those guitarists can't write a memorable song to save their lives and they can't sing at all. Not that Dave is a great singer, but death metal "vocals" are a joke.

[@Miist3rDuce1]

​@@hinjurock70 exactly I hate death metal, thanks to Chuck schuldiner and death

[@ScreamBloodyGore145]

@@hinjurock70 that guy was talking about Dave's ability to play complicated riffs while doing vocals simultaneously, not about writing memorable music. But yes, I agree that there aren't too many memorable extreme metal songs even though I enjoy this kind of music. Used to listen to more of death metal but grew up of it. Still enjoying bands like Gojira tho

[@communityprepper6153]

Hi Kerry. I got suspended from school in 1990 because of you. Me and my metal head friends all made leather bracelets with nails punched through. We all wore them to school in 8th grade and the teachers freaked out. They thought they were weapons. Thanks for the day off from school!

[@WhoisVinnie]

Cool

[@wingnutmcspazatron3957]

Nice!

[@BrianClem]

Respect!

[@Scarecrow-h6n]

The best way to avoid school....

[@MFHC-u7i]

fire

[@timkryworuka1196]

Dave writes amazing riffs and a lot of them are really fun to play on the guitar , not your typical a-b-c kinda stuff , most of the time there’s a lot going on , he’s just a true master of his craft

[@MJanovicable]

And nuts. OK, and stupid.

[@danielreynolds6498]

@@MJanovicable … you realise name calling shows your level of intelligence don’t you ?? …

[@MJanovicable]

@@danielreynolds6498 Do you realize you crossed that line a long way back yourself?

[@MJanovicable]

@@danielreynolds6498 Oh sure, it's scientific--do you realize you liking Mustaine shows your level of intellgence, that it is pitifully low grade? That you're a cultureless individual without a future, or a past thanks to your crippling ignorance? Probably not.

[@jonathandufern7421]

He practically invented Spider Fingering on riffs. He’s also a great soloist and adds pop choruses that have an upbeat feel that no one else did at that time but maybe Anthrax. And a small few others

[@FanFanBessie2]

Dave is kinda like my old boss. An insufferable ass, but so good at his job you have to admire him.

[@ReverendWin-id9gp]

That's the best boss

[@ReverendWin-id9gp]

You learn alot from that boss

[@abecx]

@@ReverendWin-id9gp or you learn nothing. Most people like Mustaine rarely share the tricks of the trade and instead just ridicule you to death for not being on their level first try. Its the reason megadeth struggles to keep talent.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@ReverendWin-id9gp The best bosses have people skills and aren't insufferable pricks who cause the people around them to regret their proximity to them.

[@dcs2690]

Lmao

[@banyarling]

I respect Kerry's self-awareness. He never had the chops to be in Megadeth. Even Kirk only really shredded on Justice and that was the peak of his powers, and probably took many many takes and splices.

[@JPVanderbuilt]

Justice was their all-time best.

[@elevenAD]

No question!

[@jamelgriffin9216]

💯

[@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness]

Just like lars that’s why and justice couldn’t get an official remix it was hard to find all of the tapes

[@termsofusepolice]

Poland was an IMMENSE step up from King. Mustaine knew what he was doing.

[@ricdrakes2741]

Poland brought that jazzy sound along with Gar Samuelson to the band.

[@absinthedream9668]

Poland is still my fav Megadeth lead guitarist, that super clean prog/jazzy/metal thing mixed with a young blazing Mustaine was perfection.

[@hinjurock70]

@@absinthedream9668 I can't stand Poland's jazzy legato style.

[@absinthedream9668]

@@hinjurock70 Am I supposed to care?

[@hinjurock70]

@@absinthedream9668 As much as I care about your opinion of Chris Poland, nerdboy.

[@TyyTheFlyGuy]

I had forgotten Kerry was in Megadeth. This all worked out for the best. To this day I think Marty Friedman was the iconic additional guitarist made for Megadeth- Holy Wars, Hanger 18, Tornado of Souls, so fucking badass. Granted he wasnt in the lineup until their 4th album.

[@samuelstoner1838]

Thank God I grew up listening to all those great bands,.

[@santanajackson8829]

I'm glad everything worked out the way it did because through all the drama there was at least 2 legendary bands that were created and all bands are great

[@davekush3171]

Even after Jeff died, Kerry is still the second best guitarist in Slayer.

[@riaingalligan8461]

Cus Gary??

[@manarail7126]

duh gary holt is a fucking god

[@riaingalligan8461]

@@manarail7126 Gary Holt is my fav thrash guitarist

[@manarail7126]

@@riaingalligan8461 for sure one of mine as well

[@riaingalligan8461]

@@manarail7126 he’s a legend

[@therollband1290]

The early Megadeth with Kerry is on KZbin. It’s some of the heaviest shit ever. Early Megadeth is just as sick as Slayer ever was but Mustaine wasn’t always the nice guy you see today. He had a massive attitude

[@RockoEstalon]

Dave went, let's say, PG-13. I wouldn't call him exactly a "Nice guy" considering some of the attitudes he has. Certainly not a "Bad guy" either but he's somebody you can't take for granted.

[@fukcensorship9395]

He's the Johnny rotten of thrash metal lol

[@RockoEstalon]

@@fukcensorship9395 Not quite. Johnny Rotten was a corporate-made product that isn't even a pioneer of their genre. Dave kickstarted his genre.

[@fukcensorship9395]

@@RockoEstalon oh yes that old age lie Because Malcolm wanted to take all of the credit all he did is manage the band

[@RockoEstalon]

@@fukcensorship9395 The Pistols were a corporate backed band, that's out of the question.

[@billdunham8414]

Huge Slayer fan ever since I was a kid Dave is one of my favourites and always will be and still going in 2022 but for Slayer Jeff is always been my favourite very awesome guy and down-to-earth

[@iamwhoyousayiam6773]

Alpha fight lol

[@slimsantilli4476]

I think Chris Poland is one of the best guitarists ever. Have a nice weekend

[@b.ar.m4251]

hell yeah he definitely is. his work on peace sells is really good he is a very skilled guitarist. love his playing style especially his lead his solo work is good too.

[@rjamador9934]

He definitely has his own sound which feels very melodic in a way that came during peace sells I also like how he makes use of the Hendrix thumb technique def defined peace sells with his style

[@Nothing-zw3yd]

He damaged the tip of his left index finger in shop class in high school, and had to adapt his style to that, which makes his playing very unique. You can find recent videos of him on KZbin. He's amazing.

[@poindextertunes]

thank you for wishing us good weekends 🥰

[@dftns]

…And Gar was the best hitter for Megadeth! Period!

[@TheMurderLlamas]

Kerry is honest, and just be like, “he’s crazy” hahaha

[@amirphoenix2327]

Back in the day, I believe that Dave was crazy, listen to video Mustaine high as fuck in Oakland, drugs were messing with him

[@sidesplitters]

Dave Mustaine is an absolutely incredible guitarist.

[@Dinosaurs_with_laser_guns]

& the fact that he sings while playing very complex riffs goes to show extra much what a skillful guitarist he is

[@hex1233]

Too bad he hasn't written an interesting song since like... Youthanasia I guess.

[@sidesplitters]

@@Dinosaurs_with_laser_guns very true.

[@2500curbstomper]

tbh he has killer riffa, if only his vocals were upto part, still love his unique vocals tho@@Dinosaurs_with_laser_guns

[@drtyboy]

3 amazing bands that are still going strong today instead of 1 supergroup which probably woulda gone down in flames long ago? Id say things worked out for the best!

[@gabamusicworks5722]

Dave’s solo in Holy Wars is one of my favorite solos ever. His mid-rangey tone and absolute madness going on I like way more than Marty, who was probably technically a better player, but missing that raw madness.

[@funkyweapon1981]

My favorite Megadeth song.

[@igormaric7866]

Dave did say that, when he heard Marty play, he needed to get back to learning and practicing. He just loved how Marty played and how good he was.

[@jack_schitt7484]

His solo at the end of Five Magics is my favorite

[@paulrockatansky77]

All solos in Holy Wars complement each other well and are suitable for their respective parts. Marty's thoughtful lick on the acoustic opens the song's second act. He then develops it with his first lead and brings it to a close with the second. But Dave reserves the climax in the insane grand finale for himself ;) Dave also once said he was very impressed with "Dragon's Kiss" and was positively surprised that Marty wanted to join the band.

[@lorenzor124]

@@paulrockatansky77 Dragon Kiss beats the shit out of anything Hammett did too!

[@markromero930]

I don’t know how Dave feels today but I think there was a time when he got so depressed about Metallica’s success. To which I say, “man, you created such a great band afterwards. Some classic songs. Amazing riffs. Had you stayed in Metallica, I don’t think we would have those amazing songs today.”

[@96wtfomg]

He's probably over it a long time ago. He has played with Metallica already and I think Mustaine is probably the biggest fan of his band so he is pretty proud of what he's done with Megadeth

[@adhominemsis-t.australisensis]

Yeah but he wasn't selling records like Metallica were, and all the while blowing budgets on drugs. He wasted a lot of early opportunities but when he was on it, and had the right chemistry with his bandmates, actually made a couple of records that imo are better than anything from Metallica.

[@demonmonsterdave]

If all of Metallica had to die, it would be worth it for Rust In Peace.

[@weightoawesome3455]

If Dave never left Metallica then it would have never been Metallica. It may have been even better. I think Dave vowed to be so chaotic in his writing because of his bitterness. I can’t imagine what Dave, James and a true drummer, competent at drums and not the business powerhouse that Lars is, would have accomplished. And who knows, cliff might still be alive because him and Kirk never would have pulled straws over that bunk. But with all of James brilliance in writing while adding Dave’s insane skill…coulda been way too epic for this world Damn…speculating is fun. Regardless…megadeth is awesome. Metallica is awesome.

[@RaulRamirez-jv4rn]

@@weightoawesome3455the greatest thing that could have happened was we never could have heard Dave’s shitty ass vocals and only enjoy his amazing guitar work

[@ricdrakes2741]

Saw Mustaine Metallica days at The Stone in SF many many times .

[@MikeNiigata]

Why showing this after they just released their 1st single from the sick the dying and the dead?

[@PhantomDeth]

Yeah its pretty trashy

[@kingtree6133]

Marketing

[@salembeats1875]

Promo is promo I guess

[@Baldmelon]

Click bait saves😍

[@limi.]

welcome to KZbin 🙌🏻

[@badtortoise3338]

Kerry could not hold a mega-deth gig down. His solo's are brutal, megadeth requires a good guitar player.

[@krenwregget7667]

100% agree, was coming to make this exact comment. King isn't good enough to be Dave's guitar tech.

[@tromboneman4517]

@Bumblebee 78, Mustaine is better than Kerry. Even as a lead player, and especially when it comes to rhythm guitar.

[@constasg9666]

Too bad Dave sounds like a chicken in heat, I'll go with Kerry.

[@vegasandrew589]

This is the truth.

[@zakkmiller8242]

Let's be honest. King has never played the same solo twice, and sure as shit can't hold a candle to Dave on Dave's worst day lol

[@MichaelDespairs]

Totally disagree I've listened to Slayer way more often they have much better songs and that's why I listen to music. Mustaine had one good album as far as I'm concerned and all his solos are pentatonic cheese.

[@zakkmiller8242]

@@MichaelDespairs you think King is better than Mustaine? Lmfao you're alone on that one bud.

[@damianlee5438]

I think you are thinking about Hanneman. King actually replicates his solos live. Jeff always did one-offs I'm pretty sure.

[@JPVanderbuilt]

@@MichaelDespairs What's the one good album?

[@TXHAWGKILLA]

King isn't close to being in he same league as Chris Poland or Marty Friedman. That is like comparing Steve Vai to Mick Mars.

[@darthbane4980]

Dave is on a whole different level and i didn’t think I could match it. Whole interview in a nutshell.

[@rayn.F.E.]

Crazy and the most talented of all Thrashers since the beginning in 1983 up until TODAY.

[@dgoat5913]

Kerry???

[@pazuzu-gb7ok]

@@dgoat5913 mustaine

[@vauchomarx6733]

Good profile pic! Ram It Down is one of my favourite Priest songs. Tthe album overall is not amazing, but defninitely underrated.

[@kylekatarn5964]

@@vauchomarx6733 Blood Red Skies is an outstanding song, drum machine be damned lol.

[@albino5995]

‘No one could be in Megadeth for more than a few hours because he’s crazy’ 😂😂😂 no truer word was said 😂😂

[@quit293]

No way he could write Megadeth solos. Kerry great riffer but that's about it.

[@dantenapoles5951]

Well....i hear ,well read you, lol. You know, folks myself included in the past, would dismiss Kerry as one dimensional, he is! Lol but his one dimension is very complicated he not spewing endless notes. His use of pentatonic notes are jazz like, Coltrane, Shorter, Pharaoh Sanders, etc, those late fifties to mid seventies jazz shredders, well kerry must've been listening.

[@kvltbastvrd6726]

​@@dantenapoles5951 Chromatism doesn't equal jazz lol

[@dantenapoles5951]

@@kvltbastvrd6726 ask victor wooten that! I hear you, you are right and you can be wrong, those chromatics walk a fine line between feel and function. And again, lol i hear you.

[@sqlb3rn]

well no shit... Kerry King said this himself at 0:45 "I can't do that this fuckin day" That said, Slayer riffs are a lot better than dave mustaine solos lol

[@oktaperdana9414]

@@sqlb3rn dave's riff is solo

[@jpadilla132]

In other words, Dave is a guitar genius that comes up with the most intricate guitar arrangements that Kerry could ever think of

[@hectorgonzalez9170]

Kerry King puts Megadeth down because they are at a whole other level. Slayer is like ABC while Megadeth is XYZ.

[@gainxchannel7551]

Exactly.

[@lorenzor124]

Mustaine is the tony hawk of rhythm thrash guitar.

[@anish3183]

Christ, Dave mustaine fans are such easily offended snowflakes.

[@mrbrocephus3849]

Dave to this day is a god on the guitar 🎸 🙌🏻

[@themikedavidsmokeshow4815]

I can't imagine King trying to play alongside Mustaine who is light years more technical than King has any hope of being.

[@johnkerkalis6310]

KING is an average player...

[@hinjurock70]

Kerry could play any Megadeth riff.

[@GusFogle]

Kerry's rhythm playing is good. His solos are another matter..

[@hinjurock70]

@@GusFogle His solos fit Slayer. And between South Of Heaven and Seasons In The Abyss he took guitar lessons and improved significantly.

[@richiswhere]

AND yet he did..........OMG

[@fishntyme1417]

I prefer megadeth honestly. Love slayer but mustaine is just on a different level for me.

[@rodbelding9523]

I agree. Megadeth is on another level from all of the thrash bands honestly. The complexity of Megadeth's songs is insane.

[@raregrimebeats1352]

Forced entry and xentrix rival megadeth.

[@Goabnb94]

I love the flattery they give to each other. Dave would say that King came in, watched them play and would have most of the song under his belt after just one time. King says here that he can't rip it up like Dave to this day.

[@beefcake0354]

I'm not a big fan of Slayer, but judging by this interview alone, Kerry King is really cool ... how he talks about other people.

[@ReekRendTest1]

Lol you must be new to metal gossip. ^_^ Kerry has been the exact opposite for about 30 years, although everyone does seem a bit nicer as they got older.

[@2500curbstomper]

yeah man well sorry to say its the opposite, kerry can be a real douchebag

[@benvasilinda9729]

And because they are all so different, we the fans got three amazing bands to follow back then.

[@GREW50ME_Gaming]

My friends all say, "Dave you're mental anyway!" - Lucretia

[@hinjurock70]

Not true - Dave didn't have any friends back then.

[@fireadept007]

HEY!

[@markgillespie3971]

I suspect the truth is that Kerry wanted to see if the grass was greener in Megadeth so flirted with joining them as they would have the leg-up of Mustaine's talent and reputation from being in Metallica, but no doubt they clashed heads pretty quickly and he realised there was no way they could be in a band together and quit. And naturally he would then say 'Oh, I was always 100% Slayer I just did it to give us a bit more publicity'

[@vonclod123]

Kerry is great at what he does, but not a Poland, or Friedman, he just can't play that finesse

[@GordonHeaney]

And he would be the first to admit that, they can't all be virtuoso

[@vonclod123]

@@GordonHeaney For sure, I'm a hack myself..lol I just tried to imagine MD with Kerry, I just can't picture it.

[@antonkovalenko364]

Kerry King is a friendly and down to earth dude.

[@ReekRendTest1]

Lol. So many people in these comments don't know Kerry's history of the last 30 years.

[@antonkovalenko364]

@@ReekRendTest1 I've had the opportunity to speak with him several times since the late 90s. He's never been rude, unkind, or acted high-and-mighty to me. I am basing my opinion on my personal experiences.

[@1848revolt]

He is crazy. But crazy in a crazy genius way.

[@gregchapa6112]

Kerry is one cool cat, talked to him in the Charlotte airport 3 years ago. I was in a business suit and nobody knew who he was. I was shocked.

[@MetalDeathMusic]

HAHA Kerry speaking truth that nobody else will. Love both Megadeth and Slayer but Mustaine is, or at least was, kind of crazy.

[@nightowl8363]

Fair enough. Hes also the Architect of Agression. The Composer of the Symphony of Destruction.

[@MetalDeathMusic]

@@nightowl8363 usually the very creative or unique are a little bit unhinged so.

[@nightowl8363]

@@MetalDeathMusic yes, very true. Axl.

[@fajaradi1223]

@@nightowl8363 Marylin Manson? That dude more than just looks weird

[@chicagoray1972]

They asked Dave why Kerry didn't like him, Dave replied, "he doesn't like anybody"

[@macabre19]

Dave's great at what he does but...I deal with people like this sometimes. There's a reason Megadeth has had a bunch of members.

[@OriginalWhiteDevil]

Is it the same reason Slayer has gone through so many drummers?

[@kurtemus]

It's the same reason they sold so many millions of albums

[@gaspanda]

I remember reading in interview with KK before seasons in the abyss was released and he said that south of heaven was really the first record they did where they plotted what the guitar parts were going to be and before it was a.much looser process. I can imagine how that style would have driven the exacting Dave mad!

[@blackLodgeskateboards]

New Megadeth slays everyone now.

[@l.charles5577]

What type of oakleys does he have on those look great?

[@dreadassembly4087]

As much as I like Slayer, Kerry is no where near able to play like those guys.

[@hinjurock70]

Yet he did for 5 gigs.

[@kulidrikke]

@@hinjurock70 5 gigs in 84. they created alot more complex stuff later on, and im not saying kerry is a bad guitarist, but i believe he would have some problems playing some of their songs correctly tbh. not to speak of the quality of megadeth would probably drop overall anyway if kerry was in the band.

[@alex8449]

@@kulidrikke I agree with you and don't forget how amazing Marty Friedman was

[@hinjurock70]

@@kulidrikke Actually, many of the songs on Killing Is My Business and Peace Sells were more complex than later Megadeth material, because in the early days Dave was trying to prove that he could write and play more technical songs than Metallica.

[@fireadept007]

I mean the early shit Kerry was filling in for was nuts ...

[@frez777]

Gotta love these guys for giving interviews.

[@Domzdream]

❤️ both bands. Used to be a hardcore Christian, studying to become a priest back in South Africa. Went to art high school and got introduced to many metal and grunge bands ( and some really intelligent people that made me question my faith). Turned a heist really quickly after reading the disgusting bible a few times cover to cover. Took up the guitar, and to this day I do not regret having all that influence to grow into the intelligent metal loving individual that I am today at 47 years old. I’m now a part time dj / professional graphic artist , who has played the guitar, and some slayer tunes, head bangs to whatever metal and hard rock I can find. Attends trance and house parties and just lives the life one should! *Life has an interesting rout of you choose to take it, and be brave enough to take the wallops on that pretty face*

[@HH-pk2wh]

Disgusting Bible? Seek mental health

[@trentrez6643]

Good for you getting away from religion and that terrible book. I am more then sure it made you a better person. Rock on

[@Domzdream]

@@trentrez6643 100% it did mate. There's too many people out there who are incapable of skeptical/critical thinking, and just blindly follow anything they hear from people they've never even met, and adjust their life and their actiosn according those persons' philosophy. Hey have a great weekend man.

[@trentrez6643]

@@Domzdream religious belief is basically geographical. If Christians had happened to pop out of mom in the Middle East, they would be Muslims. It’s all nonsense. Keep up the good fight towards a more peaceful world!

[@Domzdream]

@@trentrez6643 Thank you man, you too. Take care of yourself.

[@metalshow]

Kerry learned everything he knows from my keyboard playing

[@Aeis_Kalt]

Kerry may be right about Dave being crazy, but at least he has more respect for his bandmates than Kerry does. Even after the lawsuit, he patched things up with Ellefson, and they made more music together. As far as that last situation goes, who knows? Kerry and Tom have consistently treated Lombardo like shit for 15 years, which is why he left for a 2nd time, and never looked back. After Jeff died, they should have just ended it right there. Hanneman wrote probably 90% of the songs Slayer are known for, and as much as I like Gary Holt, that isn't where he belongs, and Bostaph could find better people to hang with. Slayer without Jeff, and Dave, just isn't Slayer. No matter how badly Kerry wants to keep milking that cow.

[@mdnblues]

Okay, but...Mustaine doesn't treat his band members well either.

[@Aeis_Kalt]

@@mdnblues he gives them credit where it's due, and to be blatant about it, if Dave asks you to join Megadeth, you know he already respects you as a musician. He doesn't go after "hot commodity" people, he goes after other musicians whose work he genuinely respects. As far as band dynamics, Dave is a perfectionist(at least when he's sober, which he has been for a good while now). Perfectionists are not easy people to deal with, the guys should know that from the outset. Ask anyone who has had to deal with Blackie Lawless, he's the same way. There are quite a few people Dave has asked to join, that said no, and he is still on good terms with. Jeff Walker from Annihilator is one of them.

[@jamescon55]

Agreed (on the original response). Especially how KK treated Lombardo (who IS the godfather of double bass and one of the BEST METAL drummers in THAT scene in just ITSELF!🥁🤘😡🤘) King has basically ALWAYS (OR TRIED TO 🙄) make SLAYER just like 70s, early 80s PRIEST, where it's ALL about the dual guitarist and session drummers AND pics of "HIS band" WITHOUT the drummer etc. 🙄😒 It's like "okay Kerry. You DID write some cool stuff BUT? Hanneman WILL ALWAYS BE the BEST between the two IMPHO and without Lombardo, guess what? NO ONE would care to even listen to "YOUR band" okay?....So YEAH! Maybe even, TRY?🤔 TRY, and give a little credit to the other guy/guys WHERE IT'S OBVIOUSLY DO!!! Anyways....ROCK the funk ON!!!🤘🔥🤘

[@mdnblues]

@@Aeis_Kalt Sure...But Menza, Marty and Broderick for example didn't exactly get good treatment. He was trash talking Menza for years and then when Menza passed in 2016, Dave went out onstage crying crocodile tears. That story about Dave replacing Marty's solo on one of the songs on Risk really hurt me - Dave said that he hadn't told Marty that he had replaced his solo on the song, and when they sat down to listen to the finished record, Marty had tears streaming down his face when he heard that his solo had been replaced and no one told him. For years Dave regarded Broderick as his best guitarist since Marty, and then the minute Chris had had enough of Dave's controlling tendencies, Dave started childishly trash talking him on twitter, calling him a "robot", "he plays with 0 feeling", etc - all that shit just seems so bitter, and I had thought that Dave had grown up but then I saw those tweets from just a few years ago and I was very disappointed. There's a reason why Megadeth changes lineups every album - Dave is very hard to work with. He got lucky with Kiko though, they seem to get along very well. I think Kiko is the first band member since Marty that Dave truly actually cares about - I don't think Dave would go on if Kiko leaves. But the rest - they're all just hired hands and I know that even Dirk is probably walking on eggshells around Dave (there was a clip in which I guess Dirk made a mistake and Dave practically walked in front of him and stared him down for several minutes).

[@2500curbstomper]

@@mdnblues 99% agree, but even dave lombardo has stated that tom and himself were really good friends, its kerrys who fired dave, I mean kerry was getting paid basically the most for nothing, and since dave tried to stand up for himself and question the uneven pay he was fired, kerrys a real dickhead

[@beandipcartography]

Hats off to the Metal Community for it's unwavering support to the fight for the Metal throne.

[@shenastyuradood6949]

Most sane thing Kerry King ever said(not a megadeath fan)

[@piffpirates]

7 years ago this clip And it feels like yesterday when they where on tour last

[@vladdrakul7851]

Apart from Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath Slayer are the only hard rock /Metal band to even compete with them in terms of mood/energy and GREAT songs. Pure energy and deeply heavy. Punk Metal= the very best. 'Rain in blood' and the next two albums are Beatles good. IE fucking perfect! Pantera, Opeth and others who came later get this. Some don't. It is more than just technique (Megadeth or Van Halen as great as they were!) but intensity and power which is what Pantera (Phil) understood so well! We mean the original 4 here. Lombardo being the first drummer to be Bonham heavy!

[@faridsayegh3512]

Thats humble of King. Long live the riff. 🤘🤘🤘

[@vistalite-ph4zw]

I've seen interviews with both Dave and Kerry. Both can be pompous, arrogant, and condescending. Maybe that was the problem too much alike. Whatever happened I think it was a wise move for King to stay with Slayer. To me it looked like Jeff and Kerry complimented each other in their playing. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see that with Holt like with Jeff...

[@awefense7758]

Sign me up for the tour rolling through MA area in September. The new single was great! Saw Megadeth just last year in Boston it was outstanding!

[@churi24]

Mustaine can play in Metallica, but Metallica people can't play in Megadeth. It's a question of technique. Mustaine hired a former Cacophony. That's good taste in music.

[@lorenzor124]

i would have loved to see Vinnie Moore replace Marty, but no no. back in 2000?

[@68hoffman]

the rare metallica shows were when dave and cliff were in the band together ..i dig kerry's honesty ..a tru legend and a world class player :)

[@Mctugeye]

Not many can handle Megadeth. Maybe 3 songs a night but a whole concert.

[@awefense7758]

They played for over an hour in Boston last September. It was Dave's 60th Birthday. It was awesome....so awesome!

[@rilianriggs4620]

The first time I saw Slayer doing their own thing at the Woodstock, small all ages rock club.

[@Wickedrichgemini]

Dave's always been a nasty guitarist he's a great writer and a master of riff making!!!

[@chuckdeless9891]

still got the 1984 VHS tape with Kerry playing in Megadeth

[@RakelaK67]

love both bands. Mustaine basically created thrash just by his own style of writing and playing.... Metallica never would have been anything remotely close to what they were on those first 3 albums without him.... and whether he admits it or not.. Kerry spent 5 months with Mustaine and went back to Slayer a far better guitarist and writer just from the experience. As for thrash... Slayer was the only band that stayed consistent to the genre....because why not.... they were the Kings of it. Metallica never played thrash again after the first 3 albums. And Mustaine has drifted into lots of styles because that's just who he is... even with his more melodic experimentations.... he still writes good songs and still has 2 or 3 burners on every album. And I would challenge any musician in any of the big 4, or exodus, testament, death angel, overkill, etc to try and play and sing "This Day We Fight" at the speed Mustaine does it .... because they couldn't.... the only person who might be able to pull it off would be Mille Petroza from Kreator.... and even then.... he wouldn't sound right.... that song, Black Friday, Take No Prisoners.... those are the songs that put Mustaine on the top of the mountain.... and no one will ever knock him off.

[@miguelangelvacaheredia8230]

What a infinity bullshit... To believe Metallica had 3 albums thanks to Mustaine... There is not videos or interviews where Mustaine thinks or believe that way... Cause that is Not real... Mustaine and Heatfield are amazing writters... They did they own work in their bands... PERIOD.

[@RakelaK67]

@@miguelangelvacaheredia8230 lol I assume you weren't born until after 1999. Did worry kid.... there are a lot of people like you who weren't there and saw all these bands live before they ever had record deals. if you had been there.... you would know. But it's obvious that you weren't.... so you know nothing. Just enjoy the music... forget your little fact-free-musical-fantasy. Have a good day, little skipper.

[@sweetmissypetuniawilson9206]

@@RakelaK67 ya I have to wonder if not for Dave, would Metallica be as huge as they are? They stole from Dave & for that, I refuse to see them live. I've seen Megadeth 4x tho! All way back in the late 80's, early 90's. Gotta black eye at the last Megadeth show I went to. Oh & I thought Jeff wrote everything for Slayer but I could be wrong. I'm not as huge into Slayer as I am Megadeth. ☮️💜

[@Nikoemmp]

Yeah dude Dave actually created music and every genre and all artists are famous because of him

[@mr.broski4849]

@@Nikoemmp dont forget dave also wrote the bible and created the universe

[@hagicocompany]

Dave is sick as metal,: new songs come out with time passing. He lives, he evolves. He is the master man.

[@ThisUnderWorldOfDarkness]

I wish you'd followed through on Kerry's reply. Why was Dave crazy? What made Dave such a lunatic that his opinion few people could handle more than 5 hours with Dave. Kerry is not the only person who was in Megadeth who's saying that about Dave. In Bloom is the best interviewer

[@cootha8631]

A lot of drugs and extracurricular activities. He said it.

[@ThisUnderWorldOfDarkness]

@@cootha8631 1:27 - Kerry King says he doesn't know why anyone would be in megadeth because that guy (Dave M) is crazy. At now time did he follow up with drugs and extracurricular activities after making that statement. "Drugs and extracurricular activities" is a bland vague summary that can be applied to most rock bands, country bands and even Christian bands. It means nothing. Why are you such a simp?

[@abecx]

If you understand Dave, its not that he's uber-gifted, its that he fucking practices non-stop. Hes the kind of guy that would take his guitar to the bathroom. Figuring out the best ways to make a riff work and sound heavy regardless of how his hand contorts to play between the chords. To himself he's the greatest guitarist of all time and you can easily be on his level but you're lazy and he has to protect that as its all he has. Without it, he's nobody. That is a very narcissistic tendency and he thinks he can get away with his behavior because of his skills. And he's right, but people are only willing to put up with so much. How many times are you willing to sit and listen to: "Metal wouldnt be where it is with out me. I've made so many bands better just by hanging out with them. I'm the literal god at this stuff, and they cant hang." Just my two cents from listening to interviews and interactions over the last 30 years.

[@ThisUnderWorldOfDarkness]

@@abecx We're not talking about why Dave is a great guitar player. We're talking about Kerry King saying Dave was a complete nutjob and Loudwire not pressing Kerry on it. Stay focused on the subject matter please. ...thx

[@abecx]

@@ThisUnderWorldOfDarkness Usually when someone posts online its assumed they have the capability to read and comprehend the responses. Dave has a massive ego. That simple enough for you?

[@claudevieaul1465]

Vastly different bands, and both are amazing. That would've happened if KK had stuck with Dave... But I get the feeling KK wasn't interested in the first place, just looking for new areas to promote Slayer. Fair enough

[@zidane6520]

From an outsider’s (who is familiar with both bands and seen many interviews with all of these guys over the years) perspective, Dave seems pretty much the same as he was back then (personality-wise). He’s a Christian now, and has right-leaning politics, but he has the same humor, punky attitude and temper, and the same defensive, passive aggressive way of dealing with criticism. He’s always been trying to top his former band, and has had incredible success, but it was never enough as he feels like he is still behind them. They ARE the biggest hard rock band in the world after all.

[@RafaelCDet]

Metallica has 8 metal albums and 2 hard rock ones, but sure, keep calling them a hard rock band

[@zidane6520]

@@RafaelCDet It’s not meant as a slight. Heavy metal is basically a hard rock sub-genre.

[@kskip4242]

David certainly is not a Christian get real. Christians don't play at venues called Hellfest lol. He also claimed he would never play The Conjuring and other songs ever again when he became a so-called Christian but guess what he plays again? It's always been clear to me that Dave's Allegiance is to Lucifer.

[@A_Final_Hit]

@@kskip4242 Dave's allegiance is to himself. Always has been, always will be.

[@zidane6520]

@@kskip4242 That’s between Dave and God, mate. Playing at some corny festival or playing a song isn’t a reflection of a persons faith or values. If he starts flouting Christian teachings, or openly embraces/celebrates sin/evil, then that would be a better indicator of whether his allegiances are with evil.

[@NEMPLS]

The winner of Megadeth vs Slayer is the fans who went to both concerts!!

[@chuckdeless9891]

How many guitarists left Megadeth? Great decision by Kerry to stick with Slayer.

[@CalebePriester]

I lost count! Sure it was more than five!

[@hanc37]

To be fair, Chris Poland was stealing equipment to buy crack... He got fired.

[@pazuzu-gb7ok]

@@hanc37 Poland was drug addict . But still a hella guitarists hes by far my favorite lead guitarist in megadeth second would be marty Friedman.

[@hanc37]

@@pazuzu-gb7ok He came from a jazz guitar background that gave him a unique style and sound. Too bad he was a drug addict.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

That's the realest take of Dave Mustaine I have ever heard.

[@mikecyanide7492]

"I can't do that to this fkin day" lol my guy king earned my respect. Humble and funny statement keep making a chatoic mess on that fretboard and we promise keep that mosh lethal! Nothing and invokes absolute carnage and disorder like a full on audio assault that only SLAYER can provide!

[@machinegunhippy]

Aphex twin enters the room

[@247riffraff]

Kerry didn't realize slayer was on the rise till he came here in the bay area and played with megadeth, and people were saying how killer slayer was then he said I'm with slayer.

[@SonnyGTA]

Kerry: It’s not my style. Translation: there’s no way I can play as great as Mustaine.

[@rothbardfreedom]

Even worse was Slayer declining Proscriptor. It would have been pure chaos.

[@bruce5168]

Dave wanted DIMEBAG real bad and he agreed only if you take my brother Vinny too. Dave said we got a drummer, Dime said can't do it bro, best of luck. PANTERA went on to become LEGENDS 🤘🤘R. I. P Brothers.

[@mrkooky9098]

Imagine dave, dimebag, and vinnie paul in one band

[@bruce5168]

@@mrkooky9098 AWESOME 👍

[@lorenzor124]

@@mrkooky9098 why? Friedman was his choice, and what a choice. Listen now to his solo on "Inferno". Forget Darrell.

[@nicolaefrumos4130]

Oh, Dave's crazy? Have you seen the thumbnail for this video, Kerry? Take a good look.

[@locogringosurfs5509]

Kerry knew there was no way he could play those intricate Megadeth riffs but he won’t say it. He doesn’t even participate in the sound check jams because he is so limited. He’s a one truck pony with the hands of a brick layer as far as musicians go.

[@tonyaxis3063]

I do think he missed his mark as a guitarist, should have done the drums or bass.

[@SpiralDream]

Altar of Sacrifice is as hard as any riff Megadeth ever wrote

[@jdkimple]

As a ham-fisted neanderthal of a player myself, I get it. Not everyone wants to practice sweep picking mixolydian scales for hours. Some of us just enjoy banging out a great rythm.

[@animalmother1582]

I got into metal around 91. So, I missed out on the band nemesis stuff in all the magazines early on. To me, the late 80s/early 90s were the Renaissance of metal. South of Heaven into Seasons, Rust in Peace into Countdown, And Justice For All. Then, a lot of other bands started really getting some airplay. Headbangers Ball was the hottest show on tv. I remember watching Kurt Cobain show up in an evening gown, because it called "Ball". Watched as Rob Zombie painted the entire set as the show was going on. And by the late 90s...It was over. Decent original bands at that point were doing the rap/metal C.R.A.P. shit. Great while it lasted. No matter what era you preferred by the early 90s, you could just listen to the older stuff. But, New great stuff was STILL coming out!!! :O

[@fermiticus4034]

I'm from the same timeframe. Was way into Maiden, Megadeth, Testament, Metal Church and Helloween. That was about all I even listened to for the next 15-20 years. More recently (thanks to Pandora), there's a few that "take me back" to being really into it. Helloween(still), Gamma Ray, Sabaton, Orden Ogan(HIGHLY recommend giving them a listen), Powerwolf (is growing on me), Angra, Dark Moor, Kamelot, among others. Most of them have been around a while, but without airplay in the US...who knew?!!

[@grogu1986]

The two greatest thrash metal bands of all time

[@satanlaffing]

They're my top 2 all-time favorite bands.

[@hinjurock70]

I agree about Slayer, but Megadeth are barely thrash.

[@BraveFencer]

cough*sodom*cough*testament*cough*

[@nasbukhari696]

@@hinjurock70 Thats bullshit.

[@alangregg5520]

Dave can still play circles around you Kerry...

[@ChrisXMetal]

I’m going to say it. But the problem with Slayer is that to this day, every song essentially sounds the same. Megadeth knew how to differentiate their writing style every album while still being heavy.

[@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns]

Both bands are great in their own way. Megadeth never created an album as iconic as "Reign in Blood". Slayer became artistically irrelevant after they fired Lombardo the first time.

[@thebikewatcher9819]

@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Rust in Peace isn't iconic??? Hmmm interesting take. Tornado of Souls has arguably the greatest metal, er um, solo, ever. Holy Wars is an instant classic. Hangar 18 and so on. Reign In Blood is iconic, but to say Megadeth doesn't have anything iconic is a fallacy.

[@534sander]

@@thebikewatcher9819 I agree. Even though "this day we fight" from the album "endgame" is my favourite megadeth song. Those guitar skills are just incredible!

[@salad-xf4yi]

Every song doesn't sound the same, and there are changes in sound through Slayer albums. For example, 80's Slayer doesn't sound anything like 2000's Slayer. You just don't know what are you talking about and haven't listened enough Slayer.

[@carpenoctem775]

Slayer will never come close to being the band Megadeth is. Megadeth is at least intellectual.

[@Kinnakeeter]

I love the Return of the Living Dead shirt. BRRRAAAIIINNSSS

[@ObsidianLife]

LMAO! Has anybody read with the interview with Dave Ellison from back in the day we talked about what really happened here? King idolized Mustaine and jumped in an opportunity to be in Megadeth, leaving Slayer in a lurch. Apparently Hanneman was really pissed at him… Ellefson talked about when they did an in store at the record vault which used to be on Polk Street in San Francisco back in the day. They sold demos of local bands (I bought a number of them myself back then… Blind Illusion, early Death Angel, Legacy (before they were called testament), etc. apparently a bunch of kids ran up to King and were super excited because they knew him from Slayer and he realized that he could be a big fish in a little pond instead of the other guy in Megadeth. I’ve always believed he tells the story this way to make it seem like he didn’t try and screw over his band mates… He did! Lol! Funny enough, he learned how to play a flat fifth, the “devils harmony” Which became a big part of Slayer sound from Mustaine. Kind of hilarious because anybody who learns the basic major/minor/augmented/diminished pattern of cords could’ve figured that out… Apparently King couldn’t! LMAO!

[@smitty7592]

You're like the guy who thinks they know a lot and then wants to prove it to everyone that you do, but you really don't know as much as you think you do, and everyone else knows that but you.

[@ObsidianLife]

@@smitty7592 LOLOLOL...sure Bud. Nice job refuting what I said. I'll have to let all the music journalist I know and have helped research and verify information that some shithead on You Tube thinks I don't know things and wasn't there.

[@energyasylum997]

The thumbnail pic!!! Jack Black went all the way with the rockstar look!!

[@nobodysreview6137]

Those old Metalica shows with Mustaine playing they really did sound way better.

[@Lupoexperience]

Could we get a deeper, probing interview about the rift that ensued between megadeth and slayer? I feel we just nicked the tip of the iceberg with the interview.

[@pizzaprince]

Kerry king isnt good enough for megadeth. You need to be able to actual write and play good solos with melody and direction, instead of play a flurry of random notes as fast as you can that dont even sound like theyre in the right key

[@Vorticy135]

They're not, but that's the initial direction they had on Show No Mercy the solos were mostly in key

[@barclaybass2327]

THANK YOU!!!

[@hinjurock70]

Well, Dave obviously thought he was good enough.

[@pizzaprince]

@@hinjurock70 yea maybe for rhythm guitar

[@alex8449]

Kerry vs Marty Friedman Kerry doesn't have a chance, that being said I like Slayer more

[@UltraViolent21]

I got to meet Dave once. He didn’t seem like a very happy person and he treated me like trash.

[@Aminkaza]

Truth: Kerry King is not as good a lead guitarist as the other guys who played for Megadeth.. It's a good thing he didn't join

[@josecarlosramolete6109]

And Jeff Hanneman wanted to replace Kerry King during that time when Kerry was asked to join Megadeth. But when Slayer became popular with the underground thrash metal audience, Kerry went back and stayed with Slayer.

[@rardyprice7418]

Dave is crazy, but so is Kerry. Love their music.....wouldn't want to be friends with either of them though hahaha.

[@TheNothing6]

Kerry couldn't play the leads required to be in Megadeth.

[@cj7814]

Kerry couldn't play the leads required to be in slayer that's why he just makes random sounds

[@ow_oso]

If y’all uploaded these clips to the original Loudwire channel but in Shorts format I think it’d do really well for y’all algorithm

[@hendriktonisson2915]

I don't think Mustaine is crazy in any way. I think Kerry is just jealous because he is not as talented as Mustaine especially when it comes to writing great riffs and melodies.

[@hinjurock70]

Jeff Hanneman was better than Dave at both of those things though.

[@CalebePriester]

How do you explain the constant changes of line up then? The guys has an ego problem, he's "crazy".

[@shanobi1kanobi]

Yeah...that's fair. Love it that there has never been a Grey area,shoot from the hip guy. "King of Mother Fuckin Kings" should be the name of a solo project just saying. Met you in Calgary, got a signed leather guitar strap, it was awesome. Can't wait to hear what's next!

[@loweffortproductions1985]

I love Kerry King, but he is **absolutely** the Steven Seagal of metal.

[@kylekatarn5964]

LMAO!

[@j1mcrush]

Hahaha

[@hugolopes2156]

GOOOOD one! Agreed.

[@IronJhon788]

he looks so young!