Why The MCU needs to STOP | Video Essay

[@Granturion]

"more content then ever before... but still feels like nothing is happening". Thats the nail on the head.

[@turtleanton6539]

Yeeeees

[@flozenen6468]

Like I keep saying, Disney+ is the worst decision Disney made

[@movieoverload]

Essentially put the dagger into their two biggest IP's

[@FireJach]

No, the strategy for D+ is the worst. If they did Marvel shows as cool spin-off stories just for fun so you dont need to treat them as a homework, everything would be fine if they also kept quality on a decent level

[@Nytellem]

On paper it’s a GREAT idea, and still is, but they got too greedy with it.

[@Infinite_Guide04]

Same for Star Wars man. They keep rinsing it

[@flozenen6468]

@@FireJach doesn't matter, they still need to pump out content regardless of continuity

[@sharkanenoa5928]

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 is definitely the best jumping off point. As in you can stop watching the MCU after This movie

[@movieoverload]

Guardians 3 was enjoyable for the pure fact it’s almost nothing like every other current Marvel project. Good to go out on a high.

[@Adamkalb1]

I agree about Guardians of the Galaxy 3, but I will not give up on the Marvel Cinematic Universe forever. I might check back in for something else new three years later.

[@enriquellerena4779]

Y’a guardians was my goodbye to the mcu , I just watched spider 3 and strange 2 before that.

[@thesaltyweeb]

Sure seems like it. I had some stans in my office who shill too much for the current MCU... And they didnt talk about Secret Wars lol.

[@balthazarasquith]

Or Infinity War and just pretend Thanos won. He was right 😂

[@alexprinsrealestateagent1263]

The MCU ended with Endgame for me. Such an amazing era. The end. Or at least for a long time. Now when I see a new show or trailer for the MCU, I just scratch my head and say, “huh?!”

[@_Wombat]

This is the mainstream opinion. The comments here are biased towards existing fans of Marvel who are still huffing the copium. The people on the street no longer care about Marvel.

[@jeff5881]

You just want marvel to keep coming out with solo Captain America, Thor, and iron man movies? lol. Look at the last two solo films those characters. absolute trash.

[@notsojharedtroll23]

Fax

[@gogozeppeli9267]

​@@jeff5881and you watch shit like she hulk and ms marvel lol gtfo

[@itstroy4145]

@@jeff5881 honestly, if they just focus on spiderman, i'll be happy lmao

[@paganarh]

For me multiverse thing is the same as timetravel - it cheapens the stakes and consequences have no impact anymore.There are VERY few timetravel stories made right, but they all have very specific rules set that we as an audience can understand. Multiverse is just a magician's hat.

[@wisniapl9230]

And I love multiverse stories. In the way it is in Marvel where you have so many possibilities you can show off, those multiverses connects and in the end they fight for survival in one man(universe) standing

[@WildFungus]

multiverse like time travel can tell you a very fun unique story (see the first mile morales movie ) but then when its just used as deus ex machina it is just a magicians hat: cheap and tacky, see the sequel duology to that film.

[@NakulKrishna]

Exactly it’s a deus ex machina machine, hated the multiverse the moment it was announced. Only nwh does it some justice and they should’ve canned it after that. No stakes means these stories are as good as fan fiction daydreams.

[@wisniapl9230]

​@@NakulKrishnadon't know why you think there is no stake. Particular characters can die as also the multiverse. Does the existence of billions of Iron mans make the arc of "our" Iron man not interesting? And even if there is not much at stake What If proved it's still interesting tool for the story.

[@Freakcheeks]

@@wisniapl9230 well in loki we learn the arc of our Ironman only happened because the TVA killed every other Ironman in existence and removed freewill from the multiverse...so yes it did make it not interesting. Freewill LITERALLY didnt exist. His arc meant nothing. How are we supposed to care about that? Shehulk goes even further and speaks to Kevin himself and has him rewrite her arc....ARCS LITERALLY DONT MATTER IN THE MCU. What theyre saying is that the fact that our ironman can just be replaced with a near identical copy makes any threats in the movie...pointless. I for one cried when Gamora died in infinity war...i guarantee you i would not have cried if knew she was going to be brought back to life 2 movies later. Same with Loki. My tears meant nothing. My investment meant nothing. The MCU means nothing.

[@DrHUGEshow]

Oversaturation wouldn't be a problem if the movies and shows were good.

[@overportfilms]

There’s still superhero fatigue though

[@P8nplays]

True I get the superhero fatigue is evident but if they had a clear plan that was good after endgame it could have been better they literally could have did the same thing they did to build up characters in phase 1 but instead they didn’t think far enough or could make a choice

[@overportfilms]

@@P8nplayscompletley agree, there lack of wider story direction was the catalyst for the superhero fatigue we now feel. Even if marvel will never reach the same heights the cure to genre fatigue will always be to make better thought out movies

[@axlent123]

Yah, I’m not sure that there is superhero fatigue… maybe over the top superhero fatigue… I’m not a comic reader, my last two comics i ever bought were an Elfquest comic from 1985 and a married with children comic from around 1991, maybe… so I’m not familiar with the MCU found in them… but it seems maybe the villains were getting bigger and more grandiose.. Maybe Captain Marvel is too grandiose… too super heroey… And maybe, we watch Avenger movies where they are all there fighting together with, or against, each other, but then we go to the solo films, and in some life or death situation, it’s only one superhero to be found.. what if, in Secret Invasion, Nick Fury had help… instead of, the I’ll do this on my own attitude? I liked the series, but you have to suspend disbelief to watch it…. Sometimes, though, I’m fond of heroes like the ones from the series “Heroes”. Ya know, the down to earth girl/ boy next door superhero.

[@chris76465]

They are! The audience is the problem. There is no change in storytelling. But it's actually cool to dislike it! 😂🎉

[@saakerson2]

I stopped caring after endgame. That was the MCU finale for me

[@perryjones7771]

SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@patilvs5191]

Three years from now you will say different people will get hyped up like never before for secret wars..they are just building largest event in the Marvel history every thing feigi doing will make sense just believe him IT IS SECRET WARS😮

[@yellowstickers394]

Idk, it’s just that Marvel has so many characters and storylines that would be great to see in the MCU if done right. I’ve been with the MCU since phase one, and I would really love to stick with it until the end.

[@shealupkes]

guardians 3 was a beautiful epilogue, it could have gone endgame then guardians 3 and they would have gotten at least one good finale since endgame couldn't have afforded to be

[@PhilFromSchool]

in phases 1-3, it was pretty simple. everything and everyone could connect back to either SHIELD or an infinity stone. so it all felt (and was) cohesive. even hulk's backstory was linked back to the captain america serum too many unconnected threads right now. the connecting thread should be the multiverse, but in 3-4 different projects, they have 3-4 different explanations and rules for it

[@lyonnfire3262]

This is not true at all. Barely anything was connected to the infinity stones until phase 3. Winter Soldier and Gotg both came out in 2014 and they weren’t remotely connected, but no one really cared back then. We were just enjoying the ride. I agree they could have had less plot threads but it’s impossible to judge how connected everything is until the whole saga is finished.

[@PhilFromSchool]

@@lyonnfire3262 don't get me wrong, I'm also waiting to see how everything connects, which I'm sure it does. But many people are burning out Nowadays we wait to see what the pay off will be later, but back then when they brought in a new movie franchise, they would tell you straight up "Hank Pym was a shield agent" or "the Collector wants the tesseract and its brothers" The equivalent would be if the Eternals flat out said that Wenwu's 10 rings were old Eternals artefacts

[@Natta44]

Exactly, what we are seeing in Loki, does not match with what happened in Dr Strange 2. Loki deals with time travel in seemingly normal worlds, while Strange went to worlds of paint, or water. So they don't explain why he went to different universes and loki goes to different times? It's so confusing.

[@lyonnfire3262]

@@PhilFromSchool you’re being selective with your examples tho. Did we know that the Tesseract and the Scepter were infinty stones in the first Avengers film? Did we know that the Quantum Realm was gonna play a big role in Endgame when we first watched Ant-Man? I could give you so many more examples. The bottom line is that things were not very connected back then, the world just doesn’t have patience anymore. Personally I don’t want everything spelled out for me, I want some mystery. Don’t get me wrong tho, I do think they should stop introducing so many new characters. I wanna see more continuation of stories they started in Phase 4. Like show us some more Shang-Chi or Moon Knight lol

[@PhilFromSchool]

@@lyonnfire3262 that's a good point about the Sceptre and the quantum realm

[@Minronis]

Its the content age, man. There's no time to wait to make thought out and compelling stories, the world needs content and it needs it NOW. Ravenous eyeballs devouring every bit of moving pixels they see, never sated even after their retinas have been burnt out from exposure. Streaming has ruined the landscape of entertainment and now everyone is going to get burnt out.

[@movieoverload]

Streaming ruining the industry deserves an entire video for itself I think. Couldn’t agree more.

[@Adamkalb1]

@@movieoverload And that is why writers and actors needed to strike in this year. They hate being forced to make new movies and shows for streaming services with little time to read their scripts or to think over what they are producing, and not even being paid streaming residuals they deserve to be paid for all of the time and work put into them. Everybody who likes classic Star Trek hates Paramount+ for Star Trek Discovery and most other new Paramount+ original Star Trek series for forgetting what they liked about Star Trek, desperate to modify the IP's identity for an entirely different and new audience.

[@mxvega1097]

@@movieoverload that would be great - music streaming is 10 years ahead on the collapse curve - Spotify is the model, and films are being duly spotifucked - nil revenue, no feedback to audiences, pressure to pump it out / the sludge must flow...

[@turtleanton6539]

I have been😂😂😂😂

[@turtleanton6539]

​@@movieoverloadindeed

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

I think the perfect starting point for a soft reboot of the MCU is going back to basic street level characters like Daredevil, Moon Knight, Punisher, Kingpin and especially Spider-Man. I would love to see more stories with the grown up and mature Peter Parker we saw briefly at the end of No Way Home.

[@edisonlaw934]

They might do this after Secret Wars. I’ve heard Spiderman 4 may be releasing either before or after

[@bojaboom1407]

spiderman already has 3 movies but I agree😂

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

@@bojaboom14073 movies that are essentially an extended origin story for MCU Spidey. We haven’t even begun seeing Peter truly living up to the name Spider-Man. He’s no longer a high school teenage boy.

[@evapawlowska]

Punisher 😍

[@Superbooomer]

And Jessica Jones ❤️😩

[@zestyraccoon813]

The problem with a connected universe is that once you stumble, it becomes exponentially harder to regain investment from fans with each failure. At this point, they would need a huge string of incredible successes on par with things like Winter Soldier and Infinity War to reattract fans who have now lost investment. At this point I think we all see that as highly unlikely.

[@chillinJohnny]

Compare this: Hero that can die or loose his friends if he gets discovered his identity Vs A girl who has smaller struggles than you have (Daredevil Vs shehulk) Or A bunch of heros that face an enormous danger that can destroy half of the people they know Vs A bunch of heros that live no matter if earth blows op or not, even helf of them almost doesn't care so why should I? It's not mein (Infinity war Vs eternals)

[@Shinemooreya]

Winter soldier was such a good movie. I miss spy movies, sad it's out of fad.

[@P.Whitestrake]

​@@Shinemooreya Winter Soldier is still the best MCU movie

[@richborn6700]

Infinity War really wasn't that good. Winter Soldier is peak MCU

[@pointnclick22]

Its incredible how big companies never listen to their customers/fans. Like they are telling you exactly what they want from you… give them what they want 😂. What kind of business tries to sell products people dont want?? (Failing ones)

[@wizardgaming6759]

Because usually big companies listen to investors, which a lot of the time they seem too lose when they do that. Oh and they listen too the woke crowd which also makes them lose money.

[@One.Zero.One101]

The problem with these emergency meetings is they usually ask the wrong people. They ask the other executives and the Yes Men who will always tell you what you want to hear. The people that have real gripes are the blue collar workers. Believe me they have tons of things they want to get out of their chest but they are never invited in these golf club meetings.

[@puppypow57]

​@wizardgaming6759 "the woke crowd" putting appropriate representation in films is fine, it's when the company thinks that's what will make the film amazing is when it goes wrong

[@nickthegreat4957]

I think Marvel should create more projects that are not in the mcu. Like how Dc has good elseworld flims like The Batman

[@mr.t-rex3113]

A new timeline?

[@nickthegreat4957]

​@mr.t-rex3113 Yeah, one that is not connected to the mcu in any way. No references, no cameos, or anything from the mcu.

[@buttscarlton1490]

Keep Daredevil and Punisher in the Netflix universe, keep them away from Disney MCU!!

[@nickthegreat4957]

​@@buttscarlton1490 Yeah

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I'd rather have an actual good DC cinematic universe than a bunch of Elseworlds stories all trying to copy Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. Don't need yet another movie that is dark and gritty, grounded, and self contained. I'm kind of tired of them honestly. I'd rather have a love letter to DC fans, than a movie focusing on the same specific aspects of the DC universe that everyone else in Hollywood seems to want to focus on. Batman and Robin went too far in the campy direction, and now we've gone so far in the other direction. It's boring.

[@jaredrobinson7071]

Yes, everyone is doing multiverse, and yes I am also sick of it. Almost Everyone as a pop culture story teller is currently using it.

[@wisniapl9230]

Marvel probably planned it 8 years ago so what they can do. Secret Wars is the best point to recast characters and reboot. They can't change it now without thrashing fans.

[@master2uall88]

You can't say that she Hulk isn't a comedy because it's literally the biggest joke of the entire ncu and it was all on us

[@darthsol658]

Yeah a show filled with bad jokes 😂😂

[@stevendesmond2685]

George Lucas knew what he was doing putting Star Wars on pause for 20 years. The universe was out of ideas as we have seen. The MCU is in the same boat but never stopped to bask in the good ending.

[@frankopanklaric]

I just rewatched age of ultron and remembered it wasn't received that well. However, it is miles ahead of anything that has came out in the last 2 years.

[@mikeedwards9984]

Age of ultron was the movie everyone hated at first but is now loved. Crazy that movie set up alot of events.

[@purple1441]

Guardians 3, No Way Home and Loki Seasons 1 and 2 are all MILES better than Age of Ultron.

[@frankopanklaric]

@@purple1441 If you have brain trauma then yes. Otherwise...

[@purple1441]

@@frankopanklaric Do you actually think Age of Ultron is better than Guardians 3?

[@cthomas025]

Age of Ultron is straight trash. Among the worst entries into the MCU. I'm aware that's my opinion though, and someone else having a differing one doesn't mean they have brain trauma. You aren't the arbiter of quality.

[@mxvega1097]

Feige was in charge of the macro narrative (get to the Avengers), and was lucky with Whedon and others inventing an end credit easter egg thing, but if Feige was Mr "Narrative Coherence", then Ike Perlmutter was Mr "How To Keep Making Bank Out of This". The MCU needed those elements - ringmaster, taking advantage of great individual performers, and the critical role of the paymaster who understood the audience and how to cater to them and not waste money.

[@zero1188]

Think the tv series messed it up. Should of stuck with 2-3 movies per year

[@MrMrjack18]

It was too many tv shows (and badly written shows) and fans couldn't keep up and mid/bad new movies ! MCU needs to stop indeed !

[@zero1188]

@@MrMrjack18 exactly. I dont got time to watch 8hrs of each 3-4 tv series just to understand a 1 and half hour movie. At least daredevil didnt have much effect on the movies. I could understand 1 tv series a year. Its Way too much things to keep up. Think marvel got too greedy and cocky.

[@doublea1148]

@@zero1188 I thought it was because of new boss at Disney during 2020 fault wanting to fill out Disney+ for the shows.

[@quietman208]

I agree. I’m in the minority of people that believes Marvel shouldn’t have made a single tv show. Including AoS and Daredevil…

[@doublea1148]

@@quietman208Daredevil was a Netflix thing not a marvel thing. But Marvel took the show away from Netflix somehow.

[@strangestparticle]

honestly I HATE the idea of rebooting. it's lazy talk, a lack of creativity. stories CAN build themselves up again from a bad phase. and, personally, I always enjoy when that challenge is accepted. just own the low-quality content you created in the past and build upon it to make something better. I think there's more value (and fun) in that than just discarding it all to redo all the same old stories. I want to see new things that haven't been tried yet, events that can only happen because of the rubbish that came before. that's one of the main reasons I enjoyed X-Men: Days of Future Past so much (even with all its flaws), it used the old movies in the new ones to craft something incredible. sure, it worked as a soft reboot as well, but the past movies played a core role in creating the new timeline. and they could've done anything after that, something that didn't need to repeat the stories that were already told. sure, reboots are inevitable in superhero culture simply because of how iconic and lucrative the characters become, but I think it's too soon for the MCU... but when it comes, I can only hope it's done in a creative way that doesn't just pretend that what came before didn't exist.

[@lawc3605]

I agree.

[@wisniapl9230]

Reboot is necessary. I believe it always was the plan. It won't be reboot in classical sense. This is amazing about Secret Wars. All things that happened up to reboot still will be cannon and connected to stuff after reboot. In secret Wars we will see end of current 616 universe and birth of new reality. We will continue in this new reality without trashing of all story before. They will definerly try new stuff and new stories but you have to recast most of the crew casue after 20 years they will be too old and/or not willing to play for another 20 years of next sagas.

[@joyfulosity]

If the characters were likable or built on a foundation worth investing in, I might agree. Sadly, the majority of them were not…

[@saturn0202]

I agree a reboot is a cop out. If Marvel decides to go that route that’s when we know they’ve truly given up on listening to the fans.

[@jskrabac]

True, Dark World was seen by most as the most bland MCU movie, yet just one movie turned Thor into a fan favorite by the time Infinity War came around.

[@Young_pk-p]

I absoltuly would not want a mcu reboot but just better written stories I believe if they do good they can easily generate more hype than the infitnity saga From the premise of the multiverse saga it allows more hype already

[@BraydenJLee_]

Idk I share ur hope but like, the concept of having a multiverse saga with so many new characters, all being overshadowed by ones that have already been overshadowed, makes it too complicated and too much for regular fans

[@pyropulseIXXI]

It absolutely needs a reboot; it is too fluff and shit rn. Also, multiverse stories are terrible. They allow for way too much nonsense to take place. You need a *_really, really_* skilled writer to pull it off, and the current writers have basically fallen off a cliff in this regard.

[@Funboi68]

Yaaaay for gurl power 🙄🙄

[@threeblkcrows3672]

@_________301 They have been creating this “soft reboot” replacing all the main avengers with female overpowered versions. Kate bishop - Hawkeye, Ironman - iron heart. Captain marvel arguably takes thors spot. Dismantling Nick fury into nonsense. Just end it for all the old school fans because it is so bad right now

[@heroncolby2842]

Multiverse storytelling is boring. No stakes and basically removes character's identity all together when there's a innumerable versions of the same character.

[@wallygator92]

I'm going to stop watching the MCU after Deadpool 3 but I'm worried about what they are going to do with Deadpool and Wolverine.

[@movieoverload]

I think we're all worried about what the MCU will do to Deadpool

[@Chemafur]

​@@movieoverloadif deadpool addressed the failures then I'd just laugh.

[@ICEMAN-Z8]

Seriously u really believe they gonna make the same deadpool we know?? Buddy not in our dreams they won’t. I think they should’ve never touched DP and left it where it was.

[@daniesaji2358]

@@ICEMAN-Z8 Just wait for secret wars

[@m11w888]

If they fuck up these characters I'm 100% officially done with mcu

[@raymathews1474]

As a member of the "we didn't make it for you" demographic, I've stopped buying movie tickets some time ago. I've got what I consider the best of a century of movies on dvds, so I'll have to hear some serious word of mouth before i cough for another cinema ticket.

[@Nytellem]

I wish I recorded and uploaded what me and my friends said right after seeing Endgame. We were all in agreement that this was the END, and said “If they continue from here it just won’t be the same” and boy we were right. We jus didn’t think it would be THIS bad.

[@mattdemo6387]

The Hulk being a wimp kind of ruined it, in the comics he was really the only one that was capable of harming Thanos The first 10 minutes into the movies he was knocked out cold😂

[@ChineduOpara]

Honestly I was hoping for a rematch in Endgame. I wanted to see Hulk completely rage out and beat Thanos almost to a pulp... then being teleported away by the Space Stone. Basically, there should not have been any Captain Marvel... it should have been a raged-out Hulk looking for a rematch and almost killing Thanos with his bare hands.

[@joyfulosity]

And that was before She Hulk 🙄 They really could have done so much with his character. Still could really? Ah well…

[@ChineduOpara]

@joyfulosity Kevin Feige made a bad call. He hired a sh!tty set of writers - writers who specifically said, without doubt and ON CAMERA, that they hate comic book sh!t and wanted to write a legal comedy and push a specific narrative They said that. Look it up. This is just a reminder that Kevin Feige is human, too, and makes mistakes. Sometimes, horrible mistakes.

[@mr.iiconic]

Not true. Many Marvel Heroes could hand Thanos his ass.

[@Blast2224]

Uh. Scarlet Witch was the only one. The Hulk is overhyped. You can kill the Hulk if sonics or explosives can get inside him. Unless he’s the Immortal Hulk, he can still die. And don’t go just saying “well let’s do that”. Causals were throwing around World Breaker Hulk and World War Hulk as plot bandages without knowing the lore or requirements. Like you can’t have World War Hulk if Tony and Reed are dead. They ARE the reason WWH is even set in motion.

[@shtechvn]

7:07 "Spider Man Home Sick" Im ded. 😂

[@aninother]

I saw another video essay about Eternals and the wasted potential of Celestials, and I think that’s the perfect way to describe the current state of the franchise: Wasted Potential. (Also I really wish that we could see more of the massive space gods 😢)

[@maxrobinson4835]

I swear Elizabeth Olsen said in an interview once that the writers or someone in charge at Dr Strange 2 hadnt even finished Wandavison?? that just proves how directionless the new movies are

[@GIBBO4182]

I recently rewatched the entire MCU as well…it’s crazy how the quality was so much better a decade ago!! Even the special fx were better, which definitely shouldn’t be the case!

[@bwustinbweem]

rewatching it right now, earlier movies are so much better. they have a serious tone to them where you can really connect to the characters and their purpose. now mcu is all about cgi, gender swapping, and cracking 'jokes' every 2 lines

[@nickp3949]

@@bwustinbweemAs good as the movie is, I think Guardians of the Galaxy is the reason why the MCU took a joke-y direction. Every movie after Guardians (with the exception of Civil War) had cringe humor in it.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Infinity War was the true ending. Half of everyone died. The end.

[@MrMrjack18]

I wouldn't mind be the end too ! Thanos won, the end !

[@darktower0603]

If they actually had competent writers I'd be down for some Fantastic Four, Silver Surfer and Galactus stories.

[@strangestparticle]

I think one of the biggest mistakes was planning Endgame immediately the next year after Infinity War. They could've used the years in between to make us really feel the impact of the snap. The vanishing made the perfect space for all those new characters to emerge more organically. Plus, developing the whole idea of multiverse and time travel gradually as the years went by, would've felt more earned than just presenting it as a sudden solution the very next movie. And then, when Endgame finally came, we could've seen the great comeback of the original characters, as they fight alongside the new ones, passing the torch. This would've felt even more impactful because we would've actually lived through all the hard times before victory. And could've also made the next gen characters feel more legit.

[@cxmxqx]

the Endgame hype wouldn’t be the same

[@strangestparticle]

​@@cxmxqx only if they made phase 4 exactly how it was done, lol. I invite you to imagine what I said done properly, maintaining a good quality. plus, the very promise of comebacks from characters that weren't being seen for years would've made the hype build itself imo

[@mikeedwards9984]

Imagine if Endgame was released during covid or postponed 😳

[@strangestparticle]

@@mikeedwards9984 I don't know, No Way Home was released during a rough time for theatres and did spectacularly fine

[@mikeedwards9984]

@@strangestparticle no way home was released in 2021 like imagine if covid hit in 2019 and we had to wait for it

[@Walkingonair-698]

They should have taken a hiatus after Endgame. Make the fans miss them. While figuring out where to go next. But money just tastes so good that we forget ourselves.

[@akshatdeshmukh5819]

I personally think it was okay they made No way home, Black Widow, Wakanda Forever and even Wanda Vision because they kinda tied the remaining threads of the character arcs. Rest just felt like they turned around their business from gourmet to fast food. I was interested in the multiversal aspect due to its potential to concoct many stories, and I guess that was the same for many people at first. But it was just flooding the market with any type of content they could find.

[@Phill-pp9ge]

I came late to the m.c.u. Being an older hippy. I bought all the infinity saga up to Thor ragnorak on DVD and binged all movies with my son then caught each film as it was released. After end game we walked out of the cinema, mind blown. My son asked "what will they make next dad' to which I replied "I hope nothing son. That filmed can't be topped and if they have any sense they will leave it there" I think I was right

[@dragonskunkstudio7582]

In 2019, my Marvel bucket list was Guardians 3 and Deadpool 3. Then I'm done, nothing more to worry or care about. The only way the could impress me now is Fast Furious MCU DC Super Mario Bros race to save the people away from Disney. Where Hulk smashes Loki except it's Bob Iger.

[@malikhaidar]

I don't even know what they're doing anymore. The quality suffered, the people behind it suffered, nobody cares anymore, and they don't make as much money as before. Seriously they could just reset phase 4 or make a new phase entirely at this point.

[@MrMaharg65]

It’s not just disappointing it’s tragic

[@charlescaulkins8306]

I think Marvel and DC have a bad habit of resetting their universes FAR too much in comics. Kind of a surprise it's happening in cinema now too.

[@peterkee354]

They never acknowledged the harm caused by Iron Man and Hulks snaps- where half the planet are traumatised by the grief of losing their loved ones for 5 years and the other half feel like they just came out of a coma. Never mind all the people hawkeye murdered and all the people who would've died because of thanos' snap but not from it (like people being operated on when doctors and nurses vanish or passengers whose drivers/pilots vanish).

[@redswastedtalents4671]

I think the final secret invasion fight Feige saw in his in head was a lot different to the final fight we saw on screen

[@SEGAjunky]

We can all agree though that GotG Vol. 3 was probably the only thing we really wanted after Endgame. I mean sure we wanted other stuff but this movie felt like the previous films, and it helped that Disney let James Gunn do his job and not get involved. Also as much as the T.V show idea is good, they clearly over did it. I mean Loki is one thing but there are a lot of shows that could of been either a movie or just not made. I mean why do we need an Echo show or and Agatha show??? Feel like wasting money to me.

[@kentslocum]

Just thinking out loud here (and definitely not claiming to be a screenwriter), but imagine if the MCU went dark after Endgame. Like, no new content for at least a year. Nothing except a comment from Kevin Feige that they were working on "something big." Then suppose Kevin is scheduled for a keynote presentation at D23. It's a big deal. Lots of rumors, but no concrete info. Talk about a "reset." Everyone's nervous and excited. The big day arrives, and Kevin announces that with the Infinity Saga over, the MCU is reinventing itself. The new project is called "MCU: Take Two," and it's gonna be rebooting the entire Infinity Saga, but reimagining it in a completely new universe. So many of the same actors will be reprising their roles, but with different backstories, different story arcs, different costumes, and different dialogue. Iron Man: Take Two is a gritty crime drama set in downtown Detroit. Captain America: Take Two is a comedic buddy-cop flick set in London. They are all interconnected and all essential to the story, but they only come out one film, one series at a time. No reshuffling of the release schedule. No introducing new characters that don't play a key role going forward. As the movies start to release, it quickly becomes clear that Thanos is nowhere to be found in Take Two. Instead, everything seems to be pointing to Kang the Conqueror. He's pulling the strings behind the scenes of every movie: just out of reach, but always within earshot. It all comes to a big climax in Endgame: Take Two, right after our plucky superheroes have failed to defeat Kang and the forces of evil. Ant-Man returns from the Quantum Realm, and posits that it may be possible to travel to alternate realities. Stark and Banner decide to build a wormhole device, but under the oppressive rule of Kang, they only manage to scrape up enough resources to send one person through. Their chosen ambassador disappears into the portal with blueprints, just before the wormhole collapses violently. The shockwaves attract Kang's attention and he captures our heroes in hiding. Just when it seems that all hope is lost, a new portal opens up, revealing the ambassador leading the Avengers from the original MCU timeline. With two different versions of every superhero, they stand a chance of destroying Kang once and for all. But to the audience's horror and the superheroes' surprise, Kang seizes the opportunity afforded him and escapes into the original Infinity Saga timeline, leaving all of the Avengers (original and Take Two) trapped in the Take Two timeline, victorious and yet defeated. Audiences are shocked. It's time for yet another reboot, this time branded Take Three, where we see the original Infinity Saga universe struggling under Kang's sudden appearance and rise to power. Having already experienced the whiplash of Thanos' snap, the reversal of his snap, and the subsequent loss of the Avengers, the universe needs a brand-new crew: the Young Avengers! Each introduced in their own new movie and slowly growing stronger and starting to working together, the Young Avengers become the new hope for the universe and a credible threat for Kang in Take Three. This has just been some ideation on my part, but I think this proves that the multiverse idea could work as a recurring plot device if it is used very sparingly, and only to help reboot the MCU after a multi-year saga's conclusion. One possible use of the multiverse idea is for a movie where Kang uses the blueprints he stole from the Avengers to build an interdimensional portal of his own, only to realize that alternate versions of himself are just as cruel as he is and want his world for themselves. He destroys the blueprints to prevent his alternate selves from encroaching on his timeline. This plot has fun playing with the multiverse without making it a recurring crutch or complication.

[@peterokane1005]

i believe it is the fact with the over saturation with the tv shows and that most of them if not all of them are just origin story and don't connect with the films.

[@TheMalcontentPole]

I'm working on a video now and had the same conclusion - the Multiverse trope is one of the worst writing tricks in the book. If you can bring variants of the same characters, hell, even entire Earths, there are no stakes!

[@w-james9277]

I checked out of the MCU after Loki. It felt directionless and I was struggling to find a reason to care anymore. The films/shows being just fine at best didn’t help things either.

[@Light-at-Dawn]

There is no MCU beyond "Endgame" in Ba Sing Se. Here we are safe

[@Raptorcloak]

Said it before and I'll say it again: Disney needs to sell Marvel and Star wars to Universal to give the IPs value again. Even being damaged goods, they can enjoy new life with a different studio and Universal Studios theme parks for both brands.

[@billusher2265]

They’d be killing the value of their own parks which currently are the ones with rights to have attractions based on mcu and Star Wars.

[@hdoghillyer8932]

What about the comics division?

[@Raptorcloak]

@@hdoghillyer8932 Disney mostly keeps throwing what worked best about Marvel's source material in the trash to create their own versions when it comes to both the comics and movies, so I say it's time for someone else in charge.

[@simplymakayla3327]

Now you know thats not about to happen lol

[@JustSomeCanadianGuy]

Since 2019 the MCU went from being your favorite videogame...... to homework..... to an after-school group you want nothing to do with.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

It’s not like there wasn’t potential after Endgame. There are a lot of themes and messages that would be interesting to explore. Like a lot of stuff in Wandavision was actually pretty cool like the snap reversal, dealing with grief, Wanda dealing with coming back from the snap and having to accept the reality of Vision being gone. And as explored in Guardians 3, the harsh reality of Starlord accepting that while Gamora is back, it’s not his Gamora and he has to let her go. Or the beginning of Loki where he has to watch over his previous life and how because of all of the bullshit he caused, how much he missed out on. These are valid ideas to explore. Unfortunately, none of these come across in the right way other than Guardians 3. It just doesn’t feel right.

[@ScruFaceJeanOfficial]

I agree with everything except the DC stuff, Dc is NOT doing good at all, almost ALL their movies are losing money and Flash was a historical bomb. It’s not a Marvel vs DC thing, we just gettin tired of superhero movies, especially bad ones.

[@noctap0d]

I don't think politics it's such an issue. Marvel has always been known for dabbling into politics in its comics, like in Iron Man, X-Men and Captain America. And the MCU has had good examples of this, like in both Black Panther movies. Even Guardians 3 has a lot to say about corporations and ethics. The issue, I think, is that most MCU movies shoehorn political commentary that actually doesn't say anything and most of the time has little to nothing to do with the rest of the movie. But, tbh, that's just a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. You yourself said it; it's the lack of vision.

[@undefined7141]

4:13 I clearly haven’t watched the entire video essay; that said, as a fan please just stop the MCU. Take time off and make it special and event again.

[@tylerjames7986]

I never understand why Disney is relying on the FOX X MEN universe,tbh I just see it as it’s own universe that doesn’t connect to either universes. I just found that to be lazy,like you can introduce X Men in the MCU,you can introduce a Wolverine,Storm,Cyclops,Deadpool in the MCU with new fresh cast to play these characters and have fresh stories and plenty of ideas.

[@TruckieLooks4Aliens]

I quit when Sam Wilson began to talk about how he couldn’t get a loan bc he was black. My bff works for the military- not in, & is not an Avenger and had no issues getting a loan. So- I said, I see where they’re going with it. Im a refugee, woman of color btw. Everything is and was forced. I really used to be excited about a new movie too

[@samuelking7492]

Secret invasion really disappointed me. It had a cast that I loved and the first three episodes or so were brilliant. I really wish it didn’t go downhill at the end.

[@logantrimble006]

Secret Invasion needs to have Marvel's flagship characters fighting the skrulls or it doesn't work. Even Avengers: EMH got this right.

[@mikeedwards9984]

Secret invasion should of been a avengers movie at the end of phase 4

[@ChineduOpara]

The show was deeply disappointing. Not as bad as She Hulk, but still pretty pointless

[@Natta44]

Secret Invasion would have been better if it had Avengers in it as a civil war type story. New Cap, Bucky, new Falcon, Abariah, basically the new cast of Cap America 4 would have been great in Secret Invasion. Even some Shield agents too or even Sword agents. Bringing everyone together!

[@ChineduOpara]

@Natta44 Agreed. Honestly, Disney and Kevin Feige went wrong when they got rid of SHIELD and HYDRA. Those organizations could have been a GREAT way to "ground" the MCU in current affairs and make it resonate more with viewers. Look at all the issues they could have tackled: - Abuse of authority - Police brutality - Mental illness (re: Moon Knight, Deadpool) - Xenophobia (re: mutants) - Political espionage - Pandemic/lockdowns - Trust issues among the populace (re: secret invasion) Etc. Not saying they have to go "full satire" (we already have The Boys and Gen. V for that), but they could have plumbed more social issues. Instead, they chose to lean into magic and then force this *multiverse* nonsense on us. And don't even get me started on the zero-impact "Eternals". What, a massive creature is stuck emerging halfway out of the earth... AND NO OTHER MARVEL CHARACTER NOTICES???

[@arnthorsnaer]

To people who say that the MCU does not need to have an overarching narrative I’ll say: I watched the “sometimes mid” Marvel Studios material because of the overarching narrative. I won’t watch “completely mid” material when there is no overarching narrative. The “infinity gauntlet” ice cream shop in New Asgard was to me a clear sign that they stopped taking their world and story seriously… so I stopped as well.

[@gerbbabycare3771]

The thing I can't stand is that the comics do this so well, and yet the films keep fumbling it. In the early days we were able to have independent franchises that came together (Avengers), and made you aware enough not make you feel left out or like you needed to consume everything. The comics allow for for you to follow a character, see an event, and not feel like you need to read every title. Characters still appear across titles like Spider-Man/Venom or Storm/Black Panther. I love being able to just see an independent story like Moon Knight or Werewolf By Night, but the problem the MCU has now is none of them feeling like they take place in the same world while also having projects that make you feel like you have to watch them to understand the world, like WandaVision and MoM.

[@noobmaster69426]

I agree with the vid… I feel like the MCU scratched the surface and peaked with Endgame already. It was literally built up to for over 10 yrs and they culminated it perfectly. The multiverse saga just doesn’t work at doing that because of how directionless it feels. And Secret Wars, though I think it’s promising with RDJ, I feel like it won’t live up to Endgame’s heights, considering that Dr Doom was never their original plan, meaning that if he’s only appearing in Doomsday and Secret Wars without warning, then the character could feel rushed and the stakes would feel diminished. And it’s pretty evident with how directionless Phases 4&5 feel.

[@vee1766]

I don't think the MCU needs to stop, i think they should have completely changed the direction of the MCU after Endgame. And in my opinion the best path would have been to go all in on the Cosmic Marvel aspect, which has the potential to rival Star Wars. They already laid some great foundations with the GOTG movies. If you want to go bigger and more epic than Thanos there's really only in space that you'll find it... And then on the side they could have a whole Mutants saga on Earth to fill the more "social" and relatable aspect, with plenty of great themes to tackle.

[@dantepierre1948]

Buddy have you not seen the Loki show and Eternals? That shit is completely cosmic and is the future of the mcu. I get the hate for the new mcu but I feel like this dude hasn’t watched any of the new stuff for real😂so his takes are kind of off.

[@vee1766]

@@dantepierre1948 I'm so confused what your point is. What are you trying to say.

[@dantepierre1948]

@@vee1766 your saying the best path would’ve been for marvel to go the cosmic route as if they are not going that route, that’s literally almost all they’ve been doing since endgame😂that’s my point

[@vee1766]

​@@dantepierre1948 Kang the Conqueror and the multiverse isn't "Cosmic Marvel". Eternals is barely "Cosmic" 95% of it is set on Earth and deal with Earth stuff. No Way Home, Black Panther 2, Shang-Shi, Black Widow, WandaVision, Ms Marvel, Falcon and Winter Soldier and Multiverse Of Madness, not Cosmic at all. Quantumania can pass as Cosmic aesthetically but it's the Quantum Verse, not space. Thor Love & Thunder has a Cosmic theme but barely uses it. Secret Invasion is about Skrulls but is a classic spy show. The only real Cosmic thing since Endgame was GOTG3 and unfortunately it's the end of the GOTG franchise.

[@blainemaher8786]

I hate the fact that marvel took daredevil and punisher away from Netflix put them in limbo for 4-5 years and now is throwing them in a dog shit universe trying to make it seem like it’s going to be better

[@josegdiazperez9881]

Crazy to think that I trusted Marvel so much when Endgame came out that, when I heard that a Multiverse Saga was going to preceed the Infinity Saga, my first thought was, "Finally, someone who will get the multiverse concept right!". Boy, was I wrong.....

[@MythicShadow04]

honestly, my issue is that they treat the blip and the events after Endgame like a complete joke, filled with mediocre movies, bad plot lines, and quips in every movie. Humor can be good, but not when it is in every scene, and is forced. What they should of done is created a more grounded, dark saga that shows the reality of the blip affecting people and the world, with phase four showing the aftermath, and Phase 5 being the INTRODUCTION of the MUTANT SAGA. In my personal opinion, Phase 4 should have been: The Punisher Daredevil Moon Knight Ghost Rider Blade GotG 3

[@silviadipez6585]

THANK YOU! I've recently watched a few movies from the infinity saga, including, of course, infinity war and endgame, and OH NY GOODNESS!!! I feel even worse about phase 4 and 5 now!!!!! How was that possible??? It was absolutely unthinkable the very idea that marvel could do slightly wrong. It's unbelievable what happened after endgame.

[@movieoverload]

1000x yes. I remember sitting there mid watch of Winter Soldier/Civil War/Infinity War and Endgame and just thinking... wtf happened to this franchise?

[@wisniapl9230]

Now watch Thor 2, Captain 1, Captain Marvel, Ultron and say these are better than Guardians 3, Shang Chi or Doctor Strange 2...

[@movieoverload]

Are you comparing Phase 1-3's worst to Phase 4-5's best to support your argument? If anything that destroys it.

[@wisniapl9230]

​@@movieoverload I'm saying that not everything in 1-3 was great and not all in 4-5 is bad. There are plenty of movies to come in multiverse saga so not all good was released yet. In my personal opinion phase 1-3 had 12/23 good movies. A bit over 50%. Multiverse saga has 5/10 good movies so it's just a bit lower.

[@nielsfrederiksen6636]

They ARE better.

[@hendraboen7857]

I'm from Indonesia, and the MCU needs to hit the brakes. The storylines have become so tangled and disjointed. Black Widow was okay; being a prequel, it served its purpose in setting up Hawkeye. I'm not a fan of Simu Liu, but I admire Tony Leung, so I gave Shang Chi a shot. It felt like an Americanized Kung Fu movie, with Michelle Yeoh playing yet another 'tiger lady' character. But then again, what else could we expect? Wakanda Forever and Ant-Man 3 were snooze fest. Guardian 3 felt like the last good MCU movie. Eternals was decent, although I was disappointed that none of the subsequent movies or series addressed the giant head emerging from the Earth - it felt a bit like a rip-off from The Last Knight with the unicorn's head at the end. No Way Home was fantastic; they nailed the multiverse concept. I enjoyed seeing Doctor Strange and Wanda becoming incredibly powerful, although some people found Love and Thunder too childish. Personally, I think it was a necessary shift. Thor's character has always been quite bleak, considering he lost his parents, home, and brother, among other things. As for the TV shows, it was great up until What If. It started going downhill, and I ended up not finishing or watching many of the series, especially after the apparent attempt to replace Clint Barton with Kate Bishop in Hawkeye. Moon Knight was a snooze fest for me. I decided to skip Ms. Marvel and lost all interest in any MCU projects after learning about the ending of She-Hulk, where Kevin Feige becomes a robot overlord, and the introduction of the mighty and uber-powerful Emilia Clarke in Secret Invasion. For future projects, I won't be bothering with The Marvels. Deadpool 3 seems like it's going to be a blast, though. I have no plans to watch Captain America 4 or Thunderbolt; I'll wait for the reviews before deciding on Blade, F4, and Avengers.

[@ipodclassic91]

I completely gave up caring after Cap got old and left....

[@j.e.s.m.4686]

If some of you wish that the MCU could be fixed, here's my own (personal) list on how to fix Marvel to get back on their feet, hopefully it actually happens; 1. They have to cut ties with Disney, I know, sounds crazy but it's true. Ever since Endgame, Disney has somehow pressure/forced Marvel into making god-awful content (except for a few shows/movies), never allowing filmmakers to take any risks on creating good-storytelling anymore, rewriting good characters into unlikable/hateful jerks for no reason and hiring bad writers who clearly don't know the source material and characters very well. They have to end they're distribution deal with them for good and go to another company that can be more trustful then Disney (my vote's on Paramount, possibly Sony or Universal). In my opinion, I never liked the idea of Disney owning Marvel. 'Cause their "family-friendly" brand company and I don't think they're fitfull for this type of franchise, but after seen the disaster that phase 4, this clearly proves it. 2. They have to cancel the MCU. It's gotten so messy that it they should've just let the franchise die in Endgame but choose to continue without thinking this through. But since the damaged is already done, they're gonna have to cut down the entire content they've put and have to cancel all of this upcoming movies and shows. They have good potencial but its best to let them go and move on to do something interesting 3. Reboot the franchise. If they want to continue making movies and shows, they have to reboot the entire marvel universe with an already established universe (like James Gunn's DCU but on their own way) while adding new elements and other characters that were or never appear in the previous universe (like the X-Men, FF, Runaways, Defenders, Young Avengers, Inhumans, Power Pack, etc). But at the same time, think about the timeline to line it up perfectly, hired better writers that actually knows the comics, good directors with creative vision, let them have some creative control and try to tackle different genres for storytelling. 4. Create standalone/team-up shows (like the CW's DC shows) or Elseworld anthology shows as a way to tell the stories in a proper way while create movies for a bigger event in the franchise's storyline. 5. Fire Feige. Even due he has done great job on creating Phase 1-3, but that shit was in the PAST. He has now become someone who doesn't what he's doing and being manipulated/pressured that I think He can't no longer make something good, so I think is best to find someone else to replace him.

[@guywhowatchesvideos-z2e]

They could have kicked off the current phase with a list of new heroes, using the snap as an excuse for superpowers (or even mutants) instead of forcing it.

[@MikeDavid_Davideos]

Enough for the "Multi-verse". We live in a "Uni-verse" so films should be able to portray what is happening and what might happen in the universe wherein people die once (or twice) only

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

i think a big problem with the MCU has been Disney Plus. While I enjoy elements of many of the Disney plus shows, they didn’t run them like shows they ran them like movie off-shoots that were there to sell the streaming service and the next movie. The movies usually only had to justify themselves to themselves and not also connect to all these little micro shows and for TV show runners and film makers it’s easier to do your own thing AND drop a little hint for other connected movies in over a large span of time that covers said interconnected movies. Netflix has flaws, but when it came to their Marvel shows…they ran them like TV shows with their own stories to tell and were happy to mostly avoid referencing the movies except for a slight acknowledgement they existed out there. But shows like Daredevil and Jessica Jones committed to strong internalized story telling no matter what was going on in the films and this was GOOD. It’s actually what comic books do well as well. Yeah, things are ‘in the same universe’ but if all my comic is doing is setting up other comics, who’s telling a strong internalized story? Same for Agents of Shield and Agent Carter on ABC. They scripted like shows and not like movie setups and they simply nodded without being over bearing about being in the same universe. The Disney Plus micro-series train kind of ruined the event that was a Marvel film release by forcing many of the shows too tightly into serving the film series. Instead of just making good shows. And letting the films just do what the films did well. I honestly think Marvel TV was also better before the mouse snatched them up and tried to shovel them all into Disney Plus. Also Kevin Feige is a film producer. Film production and TV are VERY different. And I think having him lead the TV and Movie Marvel train on Disney plus just diluted what he was good at.

[@JasonChristopherHukom]

You either die as a good movie franchise or live long enough to see yourself become a bad movie franchise

[@abdulazimnaushad]

The multiverse thing ruined it. They overused that plot device.

[@himayamata]

After how they handled the Illuminati, Gorr dilemma, Secret Invasion, and Kang's defeat, I don't think they will do justice with Secret Wars. GotG Vol 3 is the last good film of the MCU.

[@iXAN64]

I agree. At this point from an artistic perspective they need to take a break of about 5 years. [pun] Then start a completely new story from scratch. Of course this won’t happen because it means leaving money on the table and Hollywood don’t play that.

[@tandygrant8821]

It's scary that I agree with you

[@Finngrinder]

Well, the bad thing about that everything is Blackrock and everything is politics... is that everything is Blackrock and everything is politics

[@wizardgaming6759]

The thing is though is these companies CHOOSE too listen to BlackRock.

[@RandomMe93]

For me, they should end it with endgame, start a whole new saga with X-men. They have lots of content there that you can basically create a whole new universe and still do secret wars where both universe collide to mix both the X-men and the Avengers

[@Dunebat]

I saw this nonsense coming back with Star Trek 2009. The moment you introduce a multiverse, you kill ALL stakes, and all other media megacorps are going to copy it because of how many canon snags it'll buy their ways out of.

[@zombiejager9735]

Tbh I think the Mutant Saga is the biggest and best opportunity for a reset. Hopefully Marvel takes full advantage and makes a more cohesive and engaging story out of that once Secret Wars is over and the contracts for the legacy X-Men actors finally expires.

[@ShaunLevett]

They just have to limit their output. Make each film release an actual event again. Spamming out series on Disney+ has just led to lethargy. Nobody wants to watch Hawkeye and Echo. I watched She-Hulk and was done. It's too much. They've aready done it with Star Wars. Now we have the Marvels coming out. I'm just not interested anymore. And the problem with making Kang the next Thanos is that he's already been beaten in Ant-Man, but because there's an infinite number of him it doesn't matter.

[@lonwolf8245]

AVENGERS END GAME was so perfect and a great finale of 11 years of MARVEL Films. Maybe they should have ended there. Take a few years and come back with just films with just one Hero or Group at a time. A FANTASTIC FOUR FILM TRILOGY unrelated to other stuff. An X-MEN reboot etc. Trying to keep this continuity with Multi-verses is not working for MARVEL and DC!!!

[@brendanlynskey4507]

I think the Disney+ shows have to stop. Wandavsion made sense as a show, Loki made sense as a show because there is so much to unpack in the story line to be in just a movie. But shows like she hulk and falcon and the winter soldier could have been packed down into one GOOD movie instead of like a rly sucky/mediocre show. Also the only thing tying everything together rn is literally Wong making useless guest appearances in every show and movie. Like how does DSMOM connect to Moonight? There isn’t one. I really can not see how she hulk, moonight, and other characters are going to appear in the big finale against kang. It’s just so random and makes zero sense. Also none of these characters have any sort of chemistry with each other. The only people who add up to be near each other or in any sort of group together is Captain Marvel, Monica, Wanda, Falcon (now captain america) strange, Wong, Hawkeye, Yelena, Ant Man, Shuri, and Spiderman. I guess Ms. Marvel ties in with the group now and so does America Chavez and Kate Bishop. But like how does Thor, one of the og avengers, not have any decent connections with any character I just mentioned except for Dr. Strange and ig Hawkeye? But when have they ever even spoke…Also half of the characters I said, don’t even fit properly together they were just in the final battle together- The only show on Disney+ that should continue to air is What If because it’s the perfect filler bs show that is just a fun kinda interesting show to pass time till the next serious movie. They need to cut back how many movies are made in a year. We went from like 3 movies a year to 3 shows and 2-3 movies a year…like it’s okay to make us wait. It builds suspense and gives time for the writers to make decent projects and gives the vfx teams more time to make the movies that are basically all cgi and effects, actually look good. I love Marvel and always will, but until they listen to what the fans say (not these new fake fans who only care about Wanda) and change the way the MCU is heading, it’s not going anywhere.

[@TriaMilia]

I think that the best move to begin with the multiverse saga is bringing new and old characters in other universes, whose destinies were totally different, like in What if, and through a film, or a series like Loki that would bring together all these universes shown for a last fight against a greater evil, and the time to For this to happen, it wouldn't even need to be so small, just let it flow in a matter of 6/7 years, having about 2/3 films per year, on other themes, such as the X-Men, rebooting beloved characters with new actors and letting many mature concepts for when Avengers Secret Wars arrived, it would have a lot of impact, some would go because of a certain universe, others would go to see another, in the end it would be a much more memorable event than whatever they are planning.

[@wisniapl9230]

That's what they are actually doing. They start small but they showed alternate Doctor strange(multiple), alternate Loki's, Captain Marvel, Cap America and others in DS2, now they bring Wolverine in Deadpool and it will speed up as in Kang wars and secret wars we will see heroes fighting agains heroes on which reality will survive etc so expect things like Tom Cruise Iron man, RDJ as someone else, Avengser Vs X-Men...

[@technocore1591]

The downsides of a cinematic universe is that eventually it gets so big that new additions have too much work to do to fit in. Like every movie has to address the blip. And if they don't address things (like the events from Eternals) then they don't fit in properly. It becomes lose/lose. Also in a cinematic universe if you have an event so big that it seems like a natural and obvious ending (Endgame) then every addition afterwards is going to struggle to be relevant. Bottom line: After Endgame they should have made an announcement that the MCU 1.0 was concluded. Wipe the slate, come back with MCU 2.0 starting from scratch.

[@slaven18]

They had great run. But people are fed up with superheroes. As long time comic book fan and Marvel fan, it's getting boring. Last thing MCU needs is a reboot. It needs at least 10-15 year brake, so we old fans can start to miss superheroes and new generation is old enough to consume same heroes (with new actors) without old movie biases. Or they could tone it done, make stand alone movies and tv shows. Focus maybe on more lower scale threats, like Punisher or Daredevil.

[@wisniapl9230]

1. This is not true. The Boys and Invincible viewership and reviews shows, batman and Guardians 3 shows it's still popular. 2. They can't just fire 10 000 people and start a new 10 years from now. They are dependent on those movies. Marvel will bankrupt if they do it and Disney will close them.

[@slaven18]

@@wisniapl9230 Boys are not MCU PG-13 show, it has different audience. Same as Invincible. Plus, viewership numbers are not really transparent when it comes from streaming platforms. Batman is in it's third incarnation (Bale, Affleck and now Pattison) and it's also new spin on the early years, more like thriller/drama than superhero movie. It's more street level than some world wide threat. Marvel can churn out content, i'm sure there are enough fans that will eat it up to be at least mediocre financial success. But there is MCU fatigue. We have 15 years of MCU big movies with recognizible big stars as titular characters. If they do new Iron Man with new actor, people will shit on it mercilessly.

[@ballerinaonamusicbox]

i disagree. people still love superheroes, The Batman did really well, Joker did good, Across the Spider-verse too. and people are looking forwards to The Batman 2 and Deadpool 3, so the love is still there, people are just sick of bad superhero movies.

[@quadzilla7572]

They went netflix route. Quantity over quality. Filling out the disney+ catalog has ruined the MCU.

[@panmilktea1792]

That's why I've kind of moved on to like the boys and gen v because that universe is just a whole hell of a lot better than whatever. The quippy marvel shit Although I still keep a place in my heart for Spider-Man and Batman

[@saramwaqas]

13:13 bro you’re *TWEAKING* especially after black adam, shazam and blue beetle just released and superman legacy hasn’t even came out yet.

[@sedenion77]

So many dropped balls. Near the top of the list was not immediately incorporating the Fox X-men. Yes I realize they can't recast them, but who cares? The cast was great actually they just needed a good story. Teasing it in WandaVision and MoM was one of the biggest disappointments in this franchise. Frankly that is where they lost me.

[@Calebb000]

Disney has done a great job ruining our favorite franchises, like look what they have been doing to Star Wars. This is getting out of control...

[@Somedei]

When we all think they should stop , they shouldve stop like 3,4 years ago

[@MrSneakSneak]

The problem with MCU isnt oversaturation, its quality. Plain and simple. If we all got quality super hero movies every year and shows nobody would be complaining.

[@1ChristFollowingNerd]

You have to replace Feige with someone who loves the source material & is excited to bring that to the screen, FIRST. Not someone who loves how they can use the source material to advance modern narratives & ideologies. Then just stop. Or use Deadpool 3’s post credits scene to do something wild like literally close the book on the MCU. Clean break, take some time off, develop a plan. Honestly the rest is easy. Someone like that can get the fandoms excited again & when we’re excited, the box office & the normies get excited.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

I’ve stopped watching after Secret Invasion. Like now I don’t even care anymore at all to the point where I’m not even watching Loki Season 2. This is heartbreaking fr someone like me who grew up as a fan of this cinematic franchise to see it all crumble down. I started having doubts about whether Feige and Co knew what they were doing since Love and Thunder, which only became worse with Quantumania and finally reached a boiling point with Secret Invasion, after which I was done with anything MCU. Guardians 3 and NWH seem to be the only outliers to this problem as they were great if not good movies.

[@Alucard2091]

MCU only need to branch out from their pocket universe & not a reboot.

[@Adamkalb1]

I agree. I loved What If! I was especially excited by the two-part season finale about what would happen in Ultron won, and The Watcher needing to break his oath to save the multiverse from Ultron.

[@mirzarizwanbaig9449]

10:17 background Music title Plz ❤❤

[@MrEduardo994]

Pretty good video and interesting pov. The only argument that didn't stick with me was the "look at DC! They're doing better". As it is rn, it's a false argument to say that side is doing better now that their future is pretty much uncertain so it could be as hopeful as doomed. Also looking at the first movie after reset, BB, could say they're doing fine. Marvel already said that they'll slow things down and there's always hope. Down the line, we might see this video in a couple of years and say "wow, this dude was right", now I think both sides have a lot to do.

[@movieoverload]

Oh, don't get me wrong as you said, both sides have a lot to do. However, in the past few years alone despite the losses along the way, creatively speaking I'd stand by DC tracking better than Marvel in pure film quality (Joker, The Batman etc) and they've atleast had the common sense to acknowledge that things aren't working and have made a drastic change in an attempt for something better.

[@johntrench]

Frankly, with all the sociopolitical agenda and narrative, propaganda infestation, the lack of character hero arcs and development, the lack of coherent story arcs, the disjointed nature of all of the most recent films, and the range of story qualities from the merely “meh“ to the outright dumpster fires, I would like to propose that nothing actually needs to be done to tie up the loose end, and bring the MCU to an end. Disney and it’s subsidiaries, through gross mismanagement, total disrespect for the subject matter in the characters, and an even greater level of disrespect, mixed with contempt for the fan base, has done an excellent job of ending the MCU already. Ending the MCU, ending the “Indiana Jones“ franchise, and ending one of the most lucrative and promising franchises for ongoing success in cinema history, the “Star Wars “franchise. All of those need to come to an end. Indeed, they should have come to an end at least one or more movies back in the past. Three movies back, the infamous Anti-Sequel Trilogy, in the case of “Star Wars”. Just a way of saying that they stupidly destroyed these franchises and tainted them at the same time. Possibly for all time. In addition to ending the MCU and the other franchises, and avoiding any further unconscionable destruction to them, I assert that the best possible outcome can be to either spin off all of the divisions to other companies that will treat them with the respect which they deserve, or have the activist stockholders, including Elon Musk, win the upcoming proxy fight, and unceremoniously discharge “burn them down” Bob “kill them off” Kathleen, banning them from all Disney productions and properties for life. Your idea of a reset is intriguing, however, unless it is accompanied by a complete purging of the out of place, inappropriate sociopolitical, agenda and narrative propaganda, and unless it is accompanied by the purging of the companies of the current clueless and incompetent C-suite occupants, it will be doomed to failure. Because those are the elements that, more than anything else, are contributing to the destruction of these franchises, and of Disney and its divisions.

[@rwinger2481]

It definitely came down to Disney’s board of directors, and it was a lot worse under Bob Chapek to hit these tight deadlines in order to fulfill their release slots.

[@Divergence]

I agree, I feel like the build up is missing. Remember when we used to get end credits that mean something. Like the next Character being teased. We also don't have a colson or nick furry to connect everything either. We also don't have a catalyst like the stones being teased. Fiege is done, I tihnk we need a new director with fresh ideas.

[@nitsuj182]

I think Shang chi was a fun post end game experience , so was spiderman and dr strange . Also I prefer antman 3 over eternals

[@DJohn0991]

For me , endgame was the finale , spiderman no way home was an excellent send off for spiderman giving him back over to Sony , and guardians 3 was a perfect ending to that team. I think they should wrap up this kang multiverse war thing and just take a long deserved break . Give folks time to miss marvel, and when they return just focus on a clean slate . New stories focused around individual characters . Have no connection at all to “the blip “ and just tell a new story .