Why We WON'T Get Sonic Adventure 3. EVER.

It seems like a lot of Sonic fans want Sonic Adventure 3. And they don't seem to understand why SEGA/Sonic Team doesn't just make this game. So here are my reasons why I believe we won't get Sonic Adventure 3 ever.
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[@premydaremy]

OMG the amount of times I said "think about it"...

[@Dan3ik2]

+premydaremy sonic adventure 3 it's a sonic unleshad but in Japan

[@premydaremy]

+Dancraft2 Sonic World Adventure isn't the same as Sonic Adventure 3.

[@ItsAjAngel]

Your right

[@SonicTrance101]

lol

[@victoriatetevenska3938]

I was just about to say drink five beers every time premy says "think about it" XD

[@TheSTPhelps]

I just want a goddamn Chao Garden

[@tryblight]

I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE

[@thatsneakydude5316]

+Abigail Gaglianone how about no

[@Wow-cr2ll]

Same here. I hope that Sonic 2017 has a chao garden, like in SA2 but with even more stuff. If you don't want a chao garden, you can just ignore it entirely, its not required, but if you do want one, then there it is. Maybe it'll even have online features, so you could check out other players' chao and feel like a piece of shit.

[@thebombers2160]

Spencer Phelps yeah, even if it was a mobile game you had to pay for.

[@VTH223]

An pink Inkling cancer, this gave me. take it, I cant

[@Syogren]

You're completely right about the not-technically-named-Sonic-Adventure-3 bit. The only way we're getting another Sonic Adventure game is if it's Sonic Adventure X, where X is some subtitle of sorts. Take Sonic Mania, for example. It doesn't call itself Sonic 4 or Sonic 5. The reason? Sonic 4 already happened, and many were disappointed after years of hype for the theoretical game. It didn't do what they wanted it to do. Calling it Sonic Mania was a much safer approach. This way, if it backfired, you could just forget it happened, because you can just dismiss it from the Classic series in a way that you can't for Sonic 4, especially if it were followed up by a Sonic 5. Because then, if you ignored Sonic 4, you'd just have a missing 4 in between 3 and 5. And that gap would be a constant reminder that Sonic 4 existed. Sonic Mania doesn't have that problem. And if it was good, you can just consider it part of the series regardless. This naming scheme gives fans a choice: They can ignore the game, or, well, not. After Sonic 4, I seriously doubt SEGA and Sonic Team would ever risk a numbered sequel again. By the same logic, calling the next Sonic Adventure game "Sonic Adventure 3" would be a risky move, because now it HAS to be a success. Otherwise, it will leave the sort of mark that Sonic 4 did on the Classic Series. Calling it, say, Sonic Adventure whatever, on the other hand, would allow it to be forgotten if they screw up. At the same time, it also allows it to be included in the Adventure Series if it IS good. Thus, the logical thing for SEGA and Sonic Team to do is to never make a Sonic Adventure 3 proper. But that doesn't necessarily prevent them from making another Sonic Adventure game. And given what Sonic Forces means for the future direction of the series--along with the more decidedly semi-Adventure based gameplay of Lost World--we could very well be getting a Sonic Adventure styled game within the next decade. So that's pretty nifty I would say. Also yeah Sonic '06, and really Sonic in general, are kind of over-hated. Like, they have legitimate things you can complain about, but nothing comes close to explaining their current reception. I think also that much of the complaining is not constructive, doesn't really contribute to the discussion, and, more importantly, isn't precise about what SEGA and Sonic Team need to do, what they need to change, and what they should keep. "But I'm very clear with what I want!" Okay, fine, maybe YOU are, but have you SEEN other people? Much of the Sonic Fanbase is just constant screaming and bitching. Combined with the reviewers, which for the most part don't rate Sonic games particularly high and don't really explain why beyond the generic stuff, and what the heck are SEGA and Sonic Team supposed to know what they should be making!? What is the problem exactly? What should they be doing? What is correct? If the problem is glitches, then the entire internet needs to be clear that glitches are a problem, and that SEGA/Sonic Team needs to handle their games better. If it's story, the entire internet needs to be clear about that. Playable Characters? Constant Reuse of GHZ? Obviously opinions will not align. That's natural of a fanbase. But at least then they'll know what those opinions are, and what the arguments for those opinions are. From there they can pick and choose which ideas make the most sense to them, and apply them to their future games. In other words, the fanbase and the creators need to be in sync. The creators need to be in touch with their audience, and the audience needs to not scream at the top of their lungs. But you know, this is the internet. So that won't happen. Getting levelheaded fans to rise through the ranks and become loud, influential voices is the next best thing. That way, even if the rest of the fans keep bitching, SEGA/Sonic Team can ignore the background bitching and listen to _SOMEONE_ with _SOMETHING_ useful to say. Then, and only then, will it be possible to explain why some fans want another Adventure-styled game, and what not to do when making one. Sonic '06's issues were the lag, the load times, the glitches, the lack of moves for playable characters other than the big three, the awkward controls, being rushed in general, etc. The issue was NEVER the Adventure style of gameplay. Sonic Lost World's issues were the awkward controls, the story's ending being a bit of a shift in tone from the rest of the game, some of the level design, etc. The issue was NEVER the Adventure style of gameplay. Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric's issues were the lag, load times, glitches, awkward controls, trying to stuff the game on a console that it wasn't built for, looking kind of dull, some of the level design needing some work, etc. The issue was NEVER the Adventure style of gameplay. And so on. Of course, more recently the Adventure games proper have been under attack as well. Controls needing some work, characters like Big the Cat needing to be more interesting to play as, maybe some level design tweaks, maybe some better art, models, and animations, maybe some fixing of the janky bits in both stories, some glitches, etc. But minus the people who just aren't interested in the Sonic Adventure formula, and conclude that the games are bad purely from the fact that they personally don't like the games, the issue was NEVER the Adventure style of gameplay. So the Sonic Adventure style of gameplay was never the problem. It just needs proper execution. So if we can give a megaphone to people who can articulate things well and are good at explaining situations without coming off as extremely angry and disgruntled, they may be able to explain this to SEGA / Sonic Team, and SEGA / Sonic Team may end up listening. Which games these people like or dislike is less important than just the ability to talk. SEGA / Sonic Team may need some help figuring out how their fanbase works anyway, what the divides are, etc., to figure out what they need to do.

[@premydaremy]

Yeah communication is definitely an issue, now Sonic Team see 06's reception and go "let's stay away from every single thing we tried in that game". Now it's been 11 years since the last fully 3D Sonic game, and I don't think that's going to change any time soon.

[@sonicoftime2708]

sonic maina is sonic 4 as you truly imagined it

[@SuperSolaris666]

Well, people have been bashing 06's gameplay for being terrible, not just the broken stuff in it.

[@Syogren]

Well sure, of course. One of the main issues though is that a lot of critics pass subjective qualities of the game they personally don't like off as things that are objectively bad. For example, glitches? Sure, bad. Too many characters have too few attacks? Sure, bad. Multiple characters existing in general? RPG elements existing? Sonic's design? The aesthetic? How much combat the game does or doesn't have? Now we're in subjective territory, where there isn't an actual legitimate right answer. But there are many critical of the game that will treat these elements as actual straight up problems that make the game objectively bad, that Sonic should never use ever. Which shows some indication of not knowing how subjectivity works. It's that lack of self-awareness that other people may think differently from you and enjoy things you do not that causes most of the issues in the Sonic fanbase, at least the ones that cause some Sonic fans to claw at each other like rabid animals fighting for territory. It's sort of how I don't complain about anything Sonic Colors does unless prompted to, because I know that most people I know enjoy it, even if I don't, and that most of my complaints are subjective and don't reflect on the game's objective quality all that much. So hey, as long as other people are happy, I'm happy. The other issue of course is the idea that if a game is terrible, every single idea IN that game must necessarily be terrible. As Sonic '06 is considered terrible, the vast majority of the ideas that '06 had are completely ignored as a result. Should multiple characters be playable in the next Sonic game? No, because Sonic '06 did that and Sonic '06 sucked. Should there be elements of the Adventure games thrown in? No, because Sonic '06 did that and Sonic '06 sucked. Should we go for a slightly more realistic looking setting this time? No, because Sonic '06 did that and Sonic '06 sucked. And so on. Ignoring potential ideas just because the game it came from was critically panned is dangerous, because you could be leaving a potential gem behind. Who's to say the idea will definitely suck? How do you know that? Sonic '06 is only evidence of ideas that didn't work, not ideas that necessarily couldn't have worked. But no, Sonic '06 sucked, and that apparently invalidates everything. After awhile, it just gets kind of grating to listen to, really. Sometimes wish there could be an actual discussion about the actual individual things that Sonic '06 does rather than just stating the obvious and moving onto something else. But that's not how the internet works I guess. Oh well.

[@SuperSolaris666]

Exactly. I'm one of those people who love 06. Same thing with Free Riders. Just because the controls are bad (to them), everything else about that game is crap. WRONG! I can understand that people dislike the game because the controls just don't work (I enjoyed it since I never ran into any unresponsive parts), but saying that the gameplay, graphics, potential, and many other things in the game is bad just because the controls don't work is just pushing it. I agree with literally everything you said. (PLEASE LIKE MY COMMENT)

[@gameman5804]

I don't think i'd want an SA3 because like you said in this video, the expectation level is too damn high. Making that game would be a suicide mission.

[@whatshappeninganymore2473]

gameman5804 That's what I've thought as well. If SEGA were to release SA3, chances are it will never live up to the fans' absurd expectations. Not to mention the Classic fans who'll most likely bash the game for all its worth.

[@gameman5804]

Jdoggad Exactly. I don't hate the Adventure games nor do I hate Adventure Era Sonic, but SA3 needs to be laid to rest. I don't think we need another Sonic The Hedgehog 4 situation if you ask me.

[@EliTheMonKEE101]

I have to agree. Even at the state that the Sonic franchise is in at the moment (fingers crossed that will change this year with Mania and Forces), it's too risky for Sonic Team to make SA3 as a final resort. I can't imagine the response they would get if SA3 doesn't reach to the fans expectations (mainly those who demand SA3), even if its a major glitch.

[@gunblade8674]

gameman5804 If you think about silver and shadow can play just like sonic shadow is as fast as sonic so he can do the homing attack and boost And silver can boost using his psi and have a better combat And blaze is another character that's plays similar Theses three characters can play similar to sonic using the boost formula make a game with these characters playable

[@SonicFast23]

I don't even think expectations are high anymore at this point . Alot of us Sonic fans have given up on the franchise entirely. Honestly if they just blended SA 1 and SA2

[@locogamingrocker5014]

@premydaremy Sonic fans in a nutshell: "We want a return to the classics." Result: Sonic Heroes "Heroes was too babyish. We want a more adult game." Result: Shadow "Shadow was too 'Edgy' and adult. Guns? Really? We want an Adventure-like game." Result: Sonic 06. "06 sucked. Too many characters. Just give us Sonic." Result: Unleashed "Unleashed sucked. Why won't you just listen to us and give us Adventure 3?"

[@clan2598]

Sonic adventure 2: Upgrade Sonic Heroes: I said Upgrade Shadow the Hedgehog: Go back Sonic ‘06: I said Go back Sonic Unleashed: I S A I D G O B A C K !

[@theugandan3186]

People hate those games for actual reasons. Heroes: slimy fucking controls and you had to replay th game 4 times Shadow: I honestly like this game weapons are in a lot of sonic games so it's stupid to mad over it 06: glitches, loading times, pointless and shitty missions, bad level design etc When people say they want SA3 they just mean they want multiple character and a return to the more platform focused formula

[@blueaero3284]

the ugandan I don’t think that would work especially since a lot of people say Colors and Generations are the best Modern games and those games don’t even have adventure style gameplay

[@theugandan3186]

@@blueaero3284 I never hear colours be talked about anymore. And yeah I admit that I loved Generations but I personally don't believe those games made as much of an impact as the adventure games on the community.

[@xAustishx]

@@theugandan3186 along with that, generations was good to people because it leaned on its predecessors. Most if not all the stages I played in that game were all from different sonic games ranging from sonic the hedgehog 1- sonic heros. All they did was polish these stages and made them playable in a different way for modern/classic sonic. Good game but really it wasnt anything new.

[@yaboiii360]

Damn, well, depending on how frontiers goes. This will either age poorly or really well 😂

[@sonic391]

Finally someone says they won't make one. The amount of people in the 25th anniversary live stream kept on saying "SA3!!"

[@purplesonic1248]

Wait. This was 1 month ago, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPEND ALERT, there were spams and sanic game requests and sa3 and I forgot the etc.

[@fernanjugo612]

SONIC 06 had the most beautiful levels

[@alecmartinez1327]

+dagger slash sonic unleashed did.

[@fernanjugo612]

Alec Martinez oh yesssss adabat was beatiful🎇

[@alecmartinez1327]

+dagger slash yeah and chun nan. Pretty much all of the levels are beautiful.

[@TechBlade9000]

if only they didn't think of Wii games during its development.

[@Sonic-vb8sn]

YEA-no. The eviroments are WOEFULLY generic and dull

[@redchan_ebooks]

"Okay, let's get in to this..." *ad opens up*

[@mr.sleepyhead8401]

"You wanna know a crazy secret, see the brief on top of the-" *Skips ad*

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

Sadly Sonic 06 is the closest thing to Sonic Adventure 3

[@Quart321]

Haha, no.

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

Nah it is, What's the last Sonic game on console that you could play as different characters? Not to mention the story had the sonic adventure tone to it

[@Quart321]

It was a reboot, the creators confirmed it was entirely new. If it had an adventure tone then why is it like you're forced into playing the game instead of flowing with it? L

[@EthanBradburyVlogs]

Quartney Orr, The God of Churros I never said is was SA3. It felt like it could have been I know its a reboot. (Even though at the end everything was erased. Meaning the game truly never happened

[@premydaremy]

06 is the closest thing to Adventure 3, there's a whole page dedicated to all the things that 06 has in common with SA1/SA2 and even Heroes. That being said, it is not "Sonic Adventure 3", it is merely the closest thing out of all the games that came out after SA2.

[@maxlopez3060]

I’m from the future, IIzuka wants it 😂

[@91Tech]

I think the success for a Sonic Adventure 3 depends on whether or not they made it Nintendo exclusive. If they made it cross console and for PC like Sonic Generations, then they'd be good... or at least a lot better off.

[@premydaremy]

+HockeyMan91 That really applies for any Sonic game they make, PC should definitely be a focus, because that means mods will be made.

[@pribbon1837]

For Sonic's 25th Anniversary Party, in a Q & A Takashi Iizuka mentioned that even though there are no plans to develop Sonic Adventure 3 at the moment, they would love to make it in the future. This confirms that it's possible later on, or he definitely wouldn't be allowed to say that.

[@premydaremy]

Nothing's impossible, it's just highly unlikely. Plus, there's a good chance that he said that so that Adventure fans would keep hope alive.

[@pribbon1837]

Why would he want to establish false hope? What kind of marketing tactic is that? It's a new year, this is recent news, I think its really likely that they'll make one in the future if they feel they're ready.

[@premydaremy]

P Ribbon Because if he doesn't establish false hope, people will be disappointed when they're supposed to be hype for the 25th anniversary, it's a business tactic lol

[@pribbon1837]

There's already Sonic Mania and Sonic 2017 project coming up.. The Anniversary Party was loaded with Sonic hype. You should check that out.

[@premydaremy]

P Ribbon Lol I'm aware of the upcoming Sonic games, I've made videos of them on my channel

[@Kidboom456]

The guy that was playing 06 during this video is legendary.

[@premydaremy]

+Sonic the hedgehog Thanks lol

[@Kidboom456]

+premydaremy my father is good? Dang lol

[@premydaremy]

+Kidboom456 Lol I play 06 a LOT

[@Kidboom456]

+premydaremy define "alot"

[@premydaremy]

Kidboom456 More than I play games like Generations

[@bigballer1278]

the most logical fair fan ever. i enjoyed the sonic franchise since i was 4. fans are too bipolar. good to know there are level headed ones too

[@bigballer1278]

Sir Embrum49 The Great Moth idk bout Sonic Boom...but i loved stuff about Sonic 06. it was broke, but enjoyable strangely

[@bigballer1278]

Sir Embrum49 The Great Moth its meh...i did like the Shadow episode though

[@bigballer1278]

Sir Embrum49 The Great Moth Sonic 2017 should revive this

[@Sonic-vb8sn]

I feel like the only Sonic fan that thinks Sonic Lost World is mediocore. I like the graphics, music, and the addition of a run button (which I think is a GODSET because sometimes Sonic moves to goddamn fast for his own good) but it feels like a BORING Mario Galaxy clone and the gamepad's potential is WASTED on those goddamn hints like the 3DS version though

[@douglas4610]

The addition of the parkour was really goo in my opinion,it gave Sonic new ways to traverse his environment,and have more interactivity in the levels

[@LonerNinja]

Sonic has a consistent streak of good games But people only focus on 06 & Rol

[@thedredayshow9246]

Yeah. It's like Gamers really like to take a jab at those games. I mean, Egorator spawned a new generation of sonic haters. Which is pretty fucked up on his part. Sonic already gets enough hate as it is.

[@theminecraft2516]

06 isn’t even that bad it’s really fun

[@demoriginal]

People always hate on boost gameplay but Sonic Unleashed, Colors and Generations are loved by many people

[@theminecraft2516]

DemonicSoundsEdgy We hate the formula because it’s gotten old, the levels are too quick and when it’s a boost game it will be under 5 hours

[@demoriginal]

The king Ankylosaurus Sonic fans complain about everything

[@bloodiamondeyes]

tbh i couldn't care less about this sonic adventure 3. i just want them to bring back the chao garden.

[@omareassa4565]

bloodiamondeyes True

[@dandan7111]

four years later and it's tough to argue this theory...this man knows what he's talking about

[@OwOIord]

6 years later same thing

[@joshualuscher7718]

I think when people say they want sonic adventure 3, they mean they want a game with just sonic's gameplay from those games.

[@edward18517]

I want the treasure hunting and mech gameplay also.

[@tryblight]

BRING BACK THE CHAO GARDEN AKA MY CHILDHOOD

[@f45411]

and the choa garden, though they would make ass tons of money if they did a choa garden app since sega loves mobile games

[@mattwo7]

Edward, people who want those back are in a vast minority. They want to play as Knuckles and Tails in regular gameplay and for big to never return at all, even if he was voiced by Duke Nukem. Also Big and all of the rest of "sonic's friends" can burn and die in a fire for all they care (except the little animal dudes because those were unobtrusive and essential to chao raising).

[@edward18517]

Good for them. I still want what I want.

[@chrisjoseph4224]

It's funny how people make fun of the Adventure games now when they had different opinions before. They hold it to a too high of a standard and act like it's a game that just came out when it's a pretty old game. I'm glad someone else has a different opinion about 06 instead of the mainstream hating on it.

[@pikakip3792]

We don't need sa3 We need VR chao garden

[@inthebasement2989]

I came here for chao comments

[@Zaylovesu2]

I was probably in the minority, but I appreciated the combat system in the werehog stages, it was surprisingly deep. if they had made the werehog knuckles or shadow instead, I think people wouldn't have complained as much. then again people like to complain regardless so who knows. good video by the way, I agree

[@BrunoBrbic]

They can make Sonic Advanture 2 HD. Or 06 Repolished

[@whatshappeninganymore2473]

Bruno Brbix Gaming I think an HD version of SA2 would suffice.

[@TheLuckOfTheClaw]

Didn't they already make a Sonic Adventure 2 HD in like 2010 or so?

[@TheLuckOfTheClaw]

Or was it just the classics and Sonic the Fighters that they made remakes of?

[@DeanStuff]

SEGA already made SA2 HD on Steam. As for a repolished 06, it's the fans who are creating a repolished 06 for PC port.

[@gunblade8674]

Bruno Brbix Gaming If you think about silver and shadow can play just like sonic shadow is as fast as sonic so he can do the homing attack and boost And silver can boost using his psi and have a better combat And blaze is another character that's plays similar Theses three characters can play similar to sonic using the boost formula make a game with these characters playable

[@lordadz1615]

With what iizuka said today idk if this video holds up lol

[@lindadennis3297]

The Sonic fanbase is soooo bipolar.

[@thomasedwardharrison2879]

I just want a good story and Shadow to be good

[@ueki_tk]

I just want chao garden to return bro. Of course, all the different gameplay modes are fun too, and Sonic 06 would have been praised a lot more if it weren't for it being an unfinished product. But that being said. Chao garden bro. Just chao garden.

[@inthebasement2989]

Idk why they every dropped it…

[@kylecrofts3481]

The only reason Sonic Unleashed was hated by Sonic Fans and critics is because the haters were all braindead and unappreciative Classic Sonic Fans and the Idiot Gaming Nazis (IGN) who can't see quality in front of there own faces and only find value in overrated and unimpressive pieces of crap like the Genesis Sonic Games. Seriously, this whole Sonic Cycle bullshit makes me fucking cringe.

[@eejdmrj3hw]

Or because the warehog stages are way worse than similar games like bayonetta

[@edward18517]

And because it was kinda just dull.

[@AK46supr]

The werhog stages wernt even broken ppl, it played fine and you know it. Do i favor it, no hell no, but am i going to talk about it like it was a broken piece of trash like sonic 06 no again

[@eejdmrj3hw]

AK46supr Just functioning =/= good game Functioning = a mediocre game that shouldnt be praised for doing something that every game requires to be playable Well made = good game

[@AK46supr]

+Cool so a well functioning enjoyable game shouldnt be labeled a good game? Wtf kind of logic is that???

[@destinylord7194]

premyderamy I whole heartedly agree with you on this topic. Unfortunately the sonic fan base is just so ungrateful and dumb that they accuse Takisha Iizauka as a bad developer for games like lost world.

[@charmy3652]

We already have SA3 ......................Sonic Advance 3

[@Underworlder5]

*looks at replies* there are two kinds of people in the world

[@michaelrhett4958]

*BA DUM TST!*

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

• Woomy • Sonic 3&Knuckles is what you meant to say

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

• Woomy • Sonic 3&Knuckles it the 3rd sonic game

[@carloschicas5664]

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[@SilverTomMedia]

One thing that Sega need to try again - which they did quite well with Adventure 1+2, Unleashed, Colours and Generations - is level design, specifically with hidden pathways and secrets which require skill and exploration. For example, one of the Aquarium Park levels in Sonic Colours had a part where you could use a Hover Wisp to fly through a window in a building to access a completely new path. Or in Sonic Adventure, you could take time to explore and find an awesome upgrade in a secret room. Sonic Lost World tried to imitate this, but sometimes Sega was so blatantly "HEY SONIC FANS, LOOK AT THE CHOICE OF PATHS IN THIS LEVEL :D" and the "hidden paths" in levels were basically shoved in our face. Plus there weren't really any special rewards for finding new areas. So I think Sega just need to make exploration much more exciting in the levels - I just think it's one of the biggest aspects that makes the player come back to the game a lot more.

[@voracion]

Yes I agree- my absolute favorite part of sonic adventure was the replay value and going back and discovering something for the first time even after having played that level 30 times before.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

The Colors example is a bad one, because Colors is not about exploration. It's about collectathlon. In Colors, there is NO exploration, just " HEY LOOK ! THAT REJECTED MARIO POWER UP THAT WORKS LIKE A LITE VERSION OF A PRE-EXISTING CHARACTER ABILITY CAN BRING YOU TO A SECTION YOU WOULDN'T NATURALLY GO TO JUST TO GET A RANDOM RED COIN LOOKING RING. ISN'T THAT NEAT ?!?!?!" The Boost games fails at exploration, because they don't actually allow the player to explore. They are just random paths that DO THE EXACT THING as the main one, or they just bring you empty blocky rooms of nothing just to collect Red Rings. That's why I laugh so hard when people say "Generations is how Sonic's level design should be". Because there's no exploration, there's no challenge. There's just running and randomly jumping at the right time. And the so-called "alternate pathways" don't bring any variety. Still from Colors, Planet Wisp Act 1, at the very beginning you are given the choice whether to run on a wall and then get on a rail by Boosting on a ramp, or just going down below to a long hallway. I don't feel like I've achieved anything, simply because the choices were ridiculous and the path barely adds up anything besides placing Red Star Rings (hate these things with a passion) here rather than there. Same in Modern Sky Sanctuary. There's a section full of EggRobos and there's a fountain in middle. If you go down, there's a long way down. If you bring the EggRobos down and go up the fountain, you STILL go the same long way down, only you get a Red Ring this time. HOW IS THIS EXPLORATION ??? Let alone variety ??? This is why the Boost games are not made for exploration.

[@AliceRose019]

But...06 had some of the most wide open levels in any sonic game. I'm someone who likes 06, even with its many flaws, and the best thing about that game is the level design. Just watching this video I found a couple of alternate paths that I never noticed before.

[@TheDen-ec9xe]

Just10L Because it's based on SA1's level design, for the most part.

[@premydaremy]

Thank you Just10L, people hate on 06 for various reasons, but you can't say the stages themselves were bad, they had great level design. The amount of alternate/secret paths in stages like Desert Ruins & Tropical Jungle alone speaks for itself.

[@Yumegipsu]

Great video! I'm fine with a game that PLAYS with an adventure style. I just hope they don't CALL it SA3. It raises the bar too high, and people will be mad no matter what comes out.

[@JesterFox6]

YumeGipsu pretty late but here kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIG0YXR7hciHZtU

[@clan2598]

But what if they just call it... S O N I C A D V E N T U R E A N D K U N C K L E S

[@Gondarth]

Thank you so much! People may love it, but Adventure 3 is the LAST thing the Sonic series needs. Look at how Sonic 06 bombed. Or Rise of Lyric. That was just a spin-off, and people just won't shut the hell up about it... Imagine if a game like Adventure 3 bombed, which is certainly a possibility. Not only would it financially kill the series, but us true Sonic fans would never hear the end of it. It would go on and on and on and on, and people would never let it go, no matter how many good games we got after it.

[@mrbanks456]

Gondarth Sonic fans still never hear the end of 06

[@nothanksfools]

Or or... Make a good game?

[@goni2493]

John Doe even if they did make a good game it won't stop people for criticising it.

[@nothanksfools]

DynamicUrufu. You must not have heard of Sonic Mania.

[@someoneyoudontknow3257]

Gondarth It didn't bomb because of the "Adventure" idea, it bombed because the game was glitchy, rushed and unplolished. Even Adventure 1 and 2 are underbaked and would have been truely great games with a few more months of q/a and polish.

[@SuperZombieBros]

We need another adventure game but not a sonic one. What we need is Big's big fishing adventure 3

[@aaronkasarion8144]

SuperZombieBros You said it brother! But their's already a demo :)

[@Rangal25]

Lol

[@Jtmissile]

Tails Adventure 2!

[@clan2598]

Perfection

[@SylumSolosEverything]

i didnt know i wanted this until i read this comment..

[@CassidyMariah14]

Imagine Sonic Adventure 3 with Chao Garden online !?

[@flamester6014]

I’ve gotta be honest, I’ve always loved having the ability to play as different characters with different styles of gameplay. It’s kind of why I love Sonic 06 so much as a kid (even though I was only able to beat Silver’s story and complete a portion of Sonic’s). I might buy another copy of Sonic 06 just so I can finally beat it and experience what I’ve already been through all over again. The original disc I had became scratched REALLY bad, and would still let me start it up, but I’d be stuck on a loading screen that never actually finished (I once waited for it to load for several minutes)

[@jefffox1012]

A Sonic Adventure 3 would be nice,but i'd be perfectly fine with it not being made. I'd prefer a new game that has the spirit and gameplay of the Adventure games.(Except make the playable characters consistent to Sonic)

[@Ast_tair.2008]

“Your freaking fricks!!!!! What well you learn what well your learn you action have consequences !!!!”

[@Sawngawkuh]

The fact of the matter is "Sonic Adventure 3" would just be a mere name at this point. Just because they'd announce such a game, doesn't automatically mean it'd be good. If this was over ten years ago and they were still building on the same assets utilized for the previous installment, then one would actually have reason to expect it being a good game. However, we're long past that point, and anything new would be done from the ground up for current gen consoles. That essentially means they have to design and work on everything from scratch, which gives it just as much chance to flop as it does to succeed. We don't need a game to be "Adventure 3" on it to be good. These games just need lengthy development times and higher budgets. Rushing their games and shoving them out annually is what resulted in the franchise's downfall, not avoiding to make make some sequel (where the 3 is pretty much a misnomer at this point, since most of the 3D games mimicked the SA style of gameplay anyway, and Sonic 06 copied a number of its elements sans Chao raising).

[@ThatCubeGamer]

I honestly think the 25th Anniversary game will be either Adventure 3 or and Adventure-styled-game to bring the fans back for one (hopefully) fantastic game. Now I'm not an "SA3 fanboy" but I would totally be down for either Adventure 3 or an Adventure-styled-game.

[@premydaremy]

+TailsTheFox1444 I definitely believe we'll get an Adventure-styled game this year, but SEGA will probably not call it SA3, because the fans will just expect way too much from it.

[@stormcutter59]

You don't have to be a stereotypical fanboy to want it. Most fans of those games are not like that at all. They're probably the most tolerant and rational fans in the fanbase. Because they came in to the franchise new and fresh and were exposed to many different approaches to how a Sonic game plays, they grew to enjoy rose quality styles of gameplay that were overlooked by the classic fans at that time. That's my theory. But yeah man, Adventure 3 please. I just don't have faith that SEGA is going to do it justice.

[@ThatCubeGamer]

Joseph Franc Yeah, I basically said that just so no one said "SHUT UP U SA3 FANBOY!1!!!" but the Adventure games and Sonic Heroes is what really got me into Sonic more that I even was so I would love to see SA3 or an Adventure-styled game.

[@goblingoblin7694]

no its fire and ice

[@goblingoblin7694]

+premydaremy I agree to your 3rd reason it is an adventure-like game

[@tommybro1079]

When you said everyone bashes the werehog, I thought, I FRIGGIN LOVE THE WEREHOG!

[@demoriginal]

People only hate it for being hard

[@slimballs9650]

@@demoriginal As Sonic would say "[He's] too slow!"

[@yehudiramirezortega726]

"I liked unleashed, i like 06... " wait WHAT! Sonic 2006?! Why?!

[@yehudiramirezortega726]

Theres nothing wrong about. Its always interesting hearing new opinions but... WHY?

[@premydaremy]

Because I think the game is genuinely fun lol

[@yehudiramirezortega726]

premydaremy its there a particular reason?

[@premydaremy]

Yera There's a lot of reasons, I've been meaning to make a video on this for a while now. But I love the level design, the voice actors, the graphics, and the fact that there's multiple playable characters

[@broccolinyu911]

you like Rise of Lyric? Boom was the title that pretty much killed sonic

[@spiderguy6937]

Sega 2020: ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT

[@yunarukam-bae8944]

you know people only want sonic adventure 3 cause of the chao garden

[@broccolinyu911]

LMAO. but those choa gardens were incredible. It was like a mini pokemon within a sonic game

[@Sonic-vb8sn]

I agree

[@EliTheMonKEE101]

I'm still surprised that Sega never made a chao garden game for iOS and Android.

[@theotakuguy8957]

Elie Tutone It would sell faster than Sonic games lol

[@omareassa4565]

Pikaking Gaming Yep I fucking love that shit

[@HeroTheHedgehog999]

Honestly he has interest in the adventure series and honestly I doubt Sonic Team is ready for it

[@adamk3831]

Meanwhile in 2020, I think instead of Sa3 they should remaster Sa1 and 2

[@DoubleBoost23]

Each SA title introduced new characters If they made SA3,they'd need new characters,and I don't mean reskins like I feel Sega might do.Besides,the Adventure formula died with 06. Let the dead stay buried.

[@Dell2YT]

finally someone gets it. thank you. ... only thing i can't understand is why sonic team refuses to make another chao garden. it was widely successful at being many people's favorite part of the sonic adventure series.. it's just an amazing little creature simulator that totally could have had it's own spin-off titles.

[@TheSonicHybrid13]

To be honest, I enjoyed 06

[@dapperblookanimations226]

How to make boom better... Have sonic team lend some music to make stages memorable. Have improved combat system similar to bayonetta/Dante/God of war. Have a world that's interesting and realistic similar to Zelda/Jak and Daxtar/ and ratchet and clank. have the characters have interesting and convincing personality with feasible motivation. and finally, give the game the breath of the wild treatment and have good communication before development. boom was made from ps4 and Xbox one but no one told the developers about the Wii u being the console screwing up everything.

[@Toby-wc9gk]

To be honest I just want sonic 06 remade

[@premydaremy]

+Tobz - This.

[@premydaremy]

+Tobz - Also, check this out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oom4cpuqnMaZf7c

[@TycoNewRC]

What was it? It's no longer viewable.

[@supersullivan9868]

Despite what others may say, I still think there is a chance in the future. If we can get Toy Story 3, Shenmue 3, Kingdom Hearts 3, then we can sure as hell get Sonic Adventure 3.

[@premydaremy]

Toy Story 3 is completely different to Sonic Adventure 3, there is only 1 'Toy Story' series. We still get Sonic games released, I'm just saying they won't release a sequel to Sonic Adventure 2.

[@CalebCraft10]

This probably sounds weird, but I think they should remake Sonic 06. But fix the glitches, fix the hub world, remove the romance elements, fix the plot holes, make the characters move a bit faster and smoother, improve the graphics, and cut some of the bs elements. We would be left with an all around decent game that would redeem a previously terrible one. Granted it probably wouldn't make much money.

[@clan2598]

Violet Rose, well, with the amount of time and money required to fix 06, I don’t think it would be a good investment for Sega. But I wouldn’t mind a digital pc port so the modding community can start fixing it themselves.

[@tinyvoid633]

BACK HERE WE ARE

[@glump7744]

Even if we got SA3, the fans would STILL complain. You should see the comments section for the first 30 seconds of Sonic Forces. Most of it was just mindless complaining over less than a minute of gameplay. Most Sonic fans are all complain. There's no point in making SA3 if everyone is gonna complain and whine.

[@64bitmodels66]

Its sad because the fans dont care about the games, they care about the character and nothing else.

[@glump7744]

@TheROBLOCrafter yep

[@premydaremy]

So I finally made my first discussion video, let me know what you think!

[@gaiiaxyy]

big company's don't listen to us people

[@HellsChef45]

+premydaremy I completely agree with what you've said, you should express your opinion more and make more "discussion" type videos like this one more often. Great work man, keep it up.

[@premydaremy]

+Umberskumpch Thanks!

[@jendeath9051]

I enjoyed your video. it made me reflect on a lot of things. For the last reason about how they may be saving the game I know that even at an all time low the fans would probably buy the game in a heartbeat because it's SA3. So it would be a last ditch effort to sell a sonic game. Very interesting discussion btw.

[@premydaremy]

Jeanette Lopez Thanks!

[@1stpltpkmnTR]

Technically Sonic Lost World was meant to be a sequel to Colours, and Generations was basically a sequel. I mean, Gens does refer back to Colours as a continuation of plot. A sequel would not be a bad idea, in nature. Granted Black Knight wasn't a great sequel, it was arguably better than Secret RIngs for fixing some motion contols. Besides, for the most part I think people mainly want the spirit of the Adventure games back, rather than just a sequel. Granted Sega are incompetent, they can easily fuck up a Sonic Adventure 3. However if they managed to capitalise on the appeal of the adventure games since it's in high demand, it would probably boost sales regardless. Don't believe me? Lost World was functional, but bad in appeal. 06 was bad but had more appeal and had better sales. What they need to do is understand the franchise and the appeal. The idea behind "adventure-type" games is exactly what people really want. 06 is not hated for its Adventure appeal, its hated for its release and lack of quality. What other true attempts have we had to replicate Sonic Adventure games? Hmm... Lost world had a bounce move. That's... Adventure gameplay? Lost World was not an Adventure game in the slightest. Unleashed plays nothing like Adventure either. The problem is they believe they're replicating it, but they're not taking it upon themselves to actually analyse those games for why people like them. I can promise you, playing it safe will not work forever. Colours sold well because it was at least decent, Generations capitalised on the appeal of many past Sonic games, plus was very short. The problem here is Sega don't get it. People want an Adventure game in spirit. They want momentum based gameplay, action, adventure, appeal. Sega try to deliver this by missing the point often.

[@VolcanoTheBat]

thank you this confirms a lot of information to a lot of the fans THANK YOU

[@gamerchief7740]

I completely loved this video, amazing points, all the information was interesting, all the argumwnts were justify correctly, great job!

[@moisescorral8297]

They should just do what they did with the classics. Make multiple playable characters, but all in the same stages. With different but similar play styles. That's it.

[@SuperLuigiGuy64]

06's story could use some re-tweaking as well.

[@Drawerofstuff00]

If the Werehog was replaced with Knuckles, the reception would've been extremely different. (Sonic Adventure and Knuckles) [Also, Generation and Colors are underwhelming]

[@mudaquetoca]

Man, i really have to thank you. Thanks to your gameplay in this video, I bought Sonic '06 and ... I don't have so much fun with a Sonic Game since I played Sonic generations months ago (okay, Silver was not so good, but the other two were awesome, especially sonic)

[@premydaremy]

Wow, glad to know that I helped you enjoy the game!

[@sodaddict]

Another reason we won't get a Sonic Adventure 3 is because Sonic Heroes already tied up loose ends from Adventure 2. So from a story perspective, Heroes is Adventure 3. Sonic 06 doesn't exactly count as Adventure 3 since that game is basically a reboot of the franchise. If the moon isn't destroyed, it's not Adventure 3.

[@rhythmraccoon8351]

This aged poorly In a good way lmao

[@JustusTRowe]

look how long it took Kingdom Hearts 3 to be announced

[@inthebasement2989]

And look how it let us all down

[@BtheGoldenNinjaBGN]

It's nice to see you're making new videos :)

[@ThePastAnalysis]

Great video man! Personally, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle is one of my favorite games, but I don't want Sega to make Sonic Adventure 3 for some of the reasons you stated and others. My biggest reason for it is that one of the main reasons I loved SA2 is it's story and current sales and trends indicate that Sega is scared of dedicating much effort to game stories. That makes me think that SA3 would pale in comparison. Not to mention, I'm content with their experiments that delve into new areas of enjoyment with a character I love.

[@ThePastAnalysis]

Additionally, your point about people wanting to criticize everything on games they hate is so true. People love to make Sonic '06' worse because they hate the game.

[@bonnierabbit1413]

you know I was thinking about this but the only thing that is close to Sonic Adventure 1 is Sonic Adventure 1😉😘😎🐇

[@I.M.O.P]

Finally another Couple of Sonic Fans With Sanity lol, honestly I agree with your points, although some fans are not the best way to show Sega what we want lol, subbed :)

[@premydaremy]

+Kirplex Thanks for subscribing!

[@I.M.O.P]

+premydaremy thanks for a great discussion video :)

[@Gatekid3]

One thing that might not be true currently is sega thinking people dont want the game. they joked about it recently. when announcing the sonic mania stuff, the guy said "no its not sonic adventure 5" or something like that. maybe thats them joking about it because they think no one wants the game, but i feel like because they hear it alot. They joked about big the cat too though, one of the most hated/ironically liked characters, so that worries me that the sonic adventure 3 could have been in the same vain. Mania proved that fans to some extent know how to please fans more than sega at times. I feel if people who desire sonic adventure 3 could impress sega in the same way the mania team did, theres a chance of a sonic adventure 3.....but a 3d sonic game would be lot harder because ...well, 3d games are harder to make in general, theres also voice talent needed and stuff like that... so i doubt thats a real possibility without a group beyond amazing.

[@neogendarkness]

Your Points were Spot on dude. And if you dont mind me asking whats the name of the BGM at the end?

[@premydaremy]

Thanks! And I used this song throughout the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX7dfWCklpdnrbc

[@ashurathemaster3909]

Personally, I Think that Sonic Heroes Is Sonic Adventure 3, Because Think About It, There Are Multiple Stories And Playable Characters, They Made It After SA2, The Story Somewhat Follows Up On SA2 With Shadow’s Resurrection, And Finally They Were Considering Calling It SA3 But Then They Didn’t Because They Didn’t Want To Confuse Fans Who Didn’t Play Sonic Games On SEGA Consoles Before (Even Though SA2 And SA1 Were Ported Before Sonic Heroes Came Out).

[@ashurathemaster3909]

@Nigel Stoney it doesn’t take place directly after SA2 So It Doesn’t Count

[@drfirebone1-936]

@@ashurathemaster3909 there is also a difference between the gameplay with adventure and heroes

[@ashurathemaster3909]

@Nigel Stoney But It Can’t Because Shadow At This Point Is Already Revived Which He Get’s Revived In Sonic Heroes

[@75JUNAKI]

@AshuraTheMaster Agreed

[@75JUNAKI]

@Nigel Stoney Imo Sonic.T.H.2006 isn’t Adventure 3 but more of 2006’s Sonic Adventure 1 (but worser). It make’s more sense to me, there are thing’s in Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 that aren’t carried in Sonic.T.H.2006 or Sonic Heroes (but Heroes is it’s own thing). - Knuckle’s & Rouge treasure hunting. - Chao Garden - Continuity from the last game. - Mech gameplay from E102.Gamma, Tail’s & Dr.Eggman. - S.A.1 & S.A.2 only having 6 playable character’s. S.A.1, Sonic, Tail’s, Knuckle’s, Amy, Big & E102.Gamma. S.A.2, Sonic, Tail’s, Knuckle’s, Shadow, Rouge & Eggman. - S.A.1 tied into Kncukle’s heritage (misspelling) with the Echidna Clan and S.A.2 tied into Eggman’s with Gerald Robotnik. That’s my opinion.

[@MobCrusher]

Who thinks that Sega should start a new adventure series instead of continuing the old one? The title could be Sonic New Adventure

[@ts-ci4ox]

No if like sonic new adventure 2 that would be bad i chosse Sonic Dimensions adventure that would be cool XD

[@tvsonicserbia5140]

Sonic Unleashed was called Sonic World Adventure in Japan, and used the Adventure logo

[@Kuzamer]

I'd like a new Adventure Series, but that name needs a change.

[@MobCrusher]

+Monkey D. "Straw Hat" Luffy Any suggestions?

[@MobCrusher]

+TvSonic Serbia I know, they said it was going to be SA3

[@silvskill5358]

I want the gameplay from sonic adventure 2. Yes I liked everything including mechs and treasure hunting. I don't care what it's called as long as the gameplay is similar to sonic adventure 2.

[@Mazgid]

1. Sonic Adventure is a kind-of spin-off to a classic Sonic series, and there was StH4 since S3K. Colors could be named as Unleashed 2, but name was changed probably because of reason to be abstract from any Werehog associations. But games looks kind of the same. Like Shadow had a lot of element from SA1-2, but never got an Adventure 3 in name. Same for 06. 2. Dimps made Sth4, so what the reason for SA3 to be by outsource team, not a Sonic Team? 3. Adventure 3 is just a name - name with associations of a gameplay with multiple characters, no boost and stage exploring (and interesting plot twists, but I gave up on it). 4. What kind of faith was in Sth4? It was incredible, hype was really high, but a result was like that - first episode was sucky, but sold well ; second episode was expansive, but sold worse - so SEGA closed that project. There was no speculations between SEGA's stuff that was apologising about game's quality - it was only question of money. 5. When 06 was released, players was'nt bullying it - only critics was. Except for a plot part - kissing scene. For everyone else game was interesting, and all of the dissapointment was forced long after. To look - the game was released almost 10 years ago, and still there is a lot of speculations about it everyday. Do somebody pick ups StH4 glitches today? I do not remember - last time i saw it was a comment on SLW commercial, where sonic was standing on a wall and somebody replied "LOL Sonic 4 anyone??" 6. SEGA was feeding Sonic fanbase past 5 years not so good games anyway - SLW, then Sonic Boom, and then fucking mobile games - so I do'nt think that they going to fall lower. Even in so called "Dark Ages" there was games released on a consoles and handhelds, that had a lot of replayability, had a different styles of gameplay and stuff. Now its like Sega's gave up on Sonic. For example - SA2 was announced in 2000's, 06 was mentioned in 2005, Generations was announced in april 2011(even could be announced in march, but dua Japanese disaster in was moved to an april). Now its June, 3 days until real 25th anniversary of the series, but they still moving announcement date of a new game. Announcement! Same was with a Sonic Boom - when Takeshi Iizuka stated, that "In 2012 you going to get absolutely new Sonic franchise", but insted we got to wait for 2 years more. Even SEGA of Japan new president stated, that company was joking with fans for a long times and they are going to put more effort in the work, but looks like we sitting on a same boat all over again. 7. Why is everybody calling SLW a close to Adventure because of the spindash? Adventure is more about level structure, not a characters gameplay. And Lost World got nothing to do with Adventures. Colors is an Adventure type of game because of the purple wisp, that makes spindashes. 8. Most of people never wanted Sonic Adventure 3 in 2011 or so, but it was a question of time, when SA3 Facebook team made a hype, and there should be some games like Sth4 and SLW to feed off classic fans and make them shut up. Now grey mass of fans played enough in the classic and they are trying to find new hype trains- it's SA3 now. They want not a good game, but a name of it. If looking - Rise of Lyric was a mess, but it has a lot of common with SA games - multiple characters, exploration, plot, spindashes and etc. But because of the fail, people do not want to look at this project from a good perspective, showing us that they actually don't want this kind of games. So here's a deal - SA3 could be, because most of the fanbase was screaming about this game for a 5 years. Sonic Team could'nt make only Runners since 2013. There was a rumors about USA team, that was capable of Anniversary Sonic game and some gravity falls scenario writer, that was a guest (guest?) in Sonic Team office for no reason. But the fact is - there was no announcement, and it more like game isn't ready. Generations, in fact, was made in rush, just like 06, but ST already got 50% of needed material - an engine, textures, levels, also if we keep in mind lost news about Unleashed, that they wanted to make DLCs, which was based on Classic Sonic stages and ESPECIALLY pointed that first is going to be a Chemical Plant - you could see that Generations was planning since 2009, but was made fast from Colors release in year. So I kind of excited, that Sega did not made any announcements - if it was simply Generations 2, they made it in april or march - because making compilations is kind of easier to make and announce. Now the company is buying some time. But it will be strange, if they will release new Sonic game in standart november schedule - I kind of thinking that there is going to be a remaster of Sonic Colors/ Unleashed, but main game is going to be released on a spring of 2017. And BTW looking for rumors of usa developers - SA2 was developed by SEGA USA. Do not know, that this team still excists - as much as I remember it ceased to exist in 2010 and then Takeshi Iizuka came back in japanese ST, but still.

[@JDISonic]

This aged baaad

[@Sonic3Knuckles]

But sonic mania got a sequel! sonic forces!

[@somebadbatter]

Sonic 3 & knuckles is it called sonic mania 2? No. Has it the same gameplay? No. Its like Heros to Adventure. It continues the story but isnt a real sequel.

[@Sonic3Knuckles]

Buriki Daioh so it's a continuation.

[@somebadbatter]

Sonic 3 & knuckles yeah.

[@BitchChill]

That is true

[@InfernoZX5]

On a side note, Idk if this is a rumor... but apparently Yuji Naka walked himself into a corner by saying he'd never stop making sonic games as long as there are sonic fans. If that's true and he holds to his word... I also heard that later on he did an interview telling sonic fans to stop buying the games. I don't keep up with Sonic anymore so I really didn't care to do the research but maybe I will now. Great video bro bro.

[@andrewmanchiraju8005]

Sonic and the Black Knight is a sequel to Sonic and the Seven Rings.

[@wesmyone9562]

These are legitimate arguments, but I, personally, have no desire for adventure 3🙅🏿‍♂️. Till this day, I think 06 deserves the hate it gets, 08(Unleashed), is the one that is over hated, in my opinion, and it is the best Sonic game of them all, to me😌. Generations, and Colors, are overrated as hell, if you ask me🤷🏿‍♂️

[@SirGenexis]

Think about it.

[@promiseomiponle810]

Yeah I think the main issue is the division in the fan base. Boost fans vs Adventure style fans

[@walbdeewee5390]

What if the Werehog was Knuckles with the same gameplay? Would people still complain? Some say that was how it was going to be originally. Nice video, again!

[@TheTC]

"Learn how to make games good constantly"? Unleashed, Dark Knight, Colors, Generations, Lost World... The only ones that were stinkers were Free Riders and Sonic Boom Wii U The latter was made by Bigredbutton. Even then, you could argue that the only reason Free Riders sucked was the Kinect, but Sonic Team COULD have made it optional, no one was holding a gun to their head. Honestly the problem is the fanbase. Because Sonic is so inventive and the general SEGA mantra is "Always change" There's like seven or eight different kinds of Sonic games... Now most people would be very happy that Sonic Team are so inventive. I mean how many times are people upset at Super Mario being the same shit. Or how Call of Duty/Pokemon/Madden is just "The same game repacakged? With Sonic however, they seem to want just the same fucking game... EXCEPT FOR SONIC 41/42 Those were pretty much just Sonic the Hedgehog remixed and people were upset that it wasn't different enough... except for the physics! They were upset THAT was different! Our fanbase is being spoken for by unpleasable whining babies. The thing is like, there ARE Sonic fans that aren't pissy bitches. Which. Yeah, I'm guilty of it too. There's so much in new Sonic games I hate. The lack of Tails/Amy, the abundance of missions, the lack of Robotnik battles. Though my problem is that I'm broke so wasting money on a console and game means a lot more than if I don't have to worry about being homeless. Rich fanboys I have no excuse for. If the game's not perfect it's not the end of the world. Just enjoy it, and if you want a better game replay one of the ones you like. Either that or move onto a new fandom. Now I'm glad that some of the more influencal Sonic fans have been trying to put out this flame war, but it's still being fed by others. I just wish I knew how to fix the fanbase. Like, I used to say "Oh if Sonic just did the Megaman thing and just had three or so series at the same time everyone would be happy" but now I don't think so. I think if you made a true to the original Sonic the Hedgehog, fans would bitch. If you made a Sonic Adventure 3 that's so good it erases the 2006 reboot. Fans would bitch. If you made a boost game that improved on Generations and even included Blaze Shadow and Silver... fans would bitch. I really don't envy Sonic Team. They make fantastic games and their fans are never happy. I don't blame them for wanting to abandon the older fanbase and try to make a new one.

[@premydaremy]

+The T.C. I dunno, the 3 series thing seems like a good idea. Have the Adventure/Heroes series, the Boost series, and the classic series. I think that would satisfy over 80% of the fans.

[@supergalaxykitten7643]

premydaremy I am a fan of u I subscribed!!!!

[@gunblade8674]

If you think about silver and shadow can play just like sonic shadow is as fast as sonic so he can do the homing attack and boost And silver can boost using his psi and have a better combat And blaze is another character that's plays similar Theses three characters can play similar to sonic using the boost formula make a game with these characters playable

[@mastercreepy5893]

I'm gonna be honest but I don't think we Sonic fans deserve a Sonic Adventure 3 after all the bashing we have done to Sonic games, especially 06 and Unleashed. Sonic Team has tried so hard to make us fans happy, and only in return a lot of us bash the game for stupid reasons. I usually feel ashamed to be a Sonic fan.

[@AquaticManta]

all i want is for them to hire writers that actually know about sonics history

[@nova260q7]

If sonic adventure 2 won't get a sequel then sonic team should make sonic adventure 2 remastered, Better graphics and better gameplay.

[@Angelo4436]

Hmmmm true

[@SegaKnight]

How long are they gonna "play it safe"? You keep saying because the fans want something that's sending mixed signals to Sega. There's your problem, Sega's lack of communication with the fans.

[@iBerserkTV]

*Your points were very good. We might not get Sonic Adventure 3 right now and I'm fine with that. I would love there to be new games with Adventure styled speed gameplay and plots though. But if we get SA3 for the 25th anniversary game then it better be the best Sonic game ever. The hype for that game is unreal and should it be? I don't know the Adventure games were not perfect. They kinda had good plots with some issues along with messy gameplay aside from the speed stages. What would be the best decision to make the hype for SA3 even bigger would be to remake the Adventure games. Fix the issues the games had, bring new remade cutscenes with better writing and remake levels with amazing next gen graphics. This would be amazing and if done correctly would greatly improve the Sonic franchise.*

[@sgoc9499]

Come on, Shadow the hedgehog is a great game.

[@legallegion4133]

Is it just me or do I think heroes was the true Sonic Adventure 3

[@icecoldbluesonic]

@@legallegion4133 it's not just you

[@akathesk]

Because sonic adventure 3 is Sonic Heroes. I just saved you 15 minutes of your time

[@premydaremy]

Except it isn't.

[@akathesk]

can you even define what sonic adventure 3 is? Because chances are it's already been covered by other games by now. The name is meaningless

[@premydaremy]

***** During the 25th anniversary they asked Iizuka if they had any plans to make Sonic Adventure 3, and they said no. They didn't say Sonic Adventure 3 has already been made. So it clearly doesn't exist.

[@akathesk]

You seem to have missed the part where I said the name sonic adventure 3 is meaningless at this point, hence why they said no because they realize it too. I'll ask again: what would sonic adventure 3 even be about that hasn't already been done?

[@premydaremy]

***** Well just like all Sonic games, they'd have to come up with a new plot. I could imagine the gameplay being a refinement of 06 and SA1 gameplay.

[@TheY2KReviewer]

People said the same thing about Shenmue III, and yet, here we are.

[@christophergibbs5810]

Ok, so, maybe people are already telling you this, or not, idk, but we technically do ALREADY have Sonic Adventure 3. Sonic Heroes was a direct sequel to Sonic Adventure 2. Also, sidenote; Shadow the hedgehog also took place directly after Sonic Heroes.

[@premydaremy]

It's not a sequel unless Sonic Team says it's a sequel. It doesn't matter if the story continues, a gaming sequel is more than just story. Plus as I already mentioned in the video, Sonic Unleashed was originally called Sonic Adventure 3, and they changed the name during development.

[@christophergibbs5810]

premydaremy Oh, ok, I think I realize what you mean now.

[@Ultraspeed77]

inb4 sonic adventure 3 comes tomorow

[@MysonNathansVideos]

not if i have to say something about it.i am making a sonic adventure 3 game and it will come out in 2022 or 2023 i promise

[@michaelinks5013]

Sonic The Hedgehog, Sonic The Hedgehog 2, Sonic The Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles were the greats.

[@tdproductions7532]

9:25 Actually, the title was going to be known worldwide as 'Sonic World Adventure', not Sonic Adventure 3 but World Adventure ended up being used for Japan's release.

[@BreakingDoorsBrandt]

I count Sonic Heroes as SA3 If Heroes was called Sonic Adventure 3, it should have the subtitle: “The Power Of Teamwork” So it would be called *Sonic Adventure 3: The Power Of Teamwork*

[@LoneWolfArmouries]

"No sequels" when the original game had a trilogy ...

[@akk1457]

LoneWolfArmouries his clearly mentioned from sa2 onwards idioto

[@BitchChill]

@@akk1457 Forces is a sequel to Mania

[@ericwithak]

@@BitchChill this video came out before both of those games

[@nicolasmartinez4337]

Honestly, I love 06 (Kingdom Valley is awesome but I like radical train too) unleashed is epic too I like to slow it down with the werehog stages and it has so much content to keep you busy (get it for 360 or Ps3). Adventure series as well, they are awesome but with Big well... you know... he's not the best let's say that. I agree it's a great risk if they release adventure 3 and it's not a success everyone loses hope in the sonic franchise with boom being a complete disaster and all. Great video as always!

[@iwilldefeatshalvic2179]

Premydaremy:*talks about sonic adventure 3* KZbin:ah yeah,sonic advance 3