Why Western Cape Independence is Foolish and Delusional…

[@comancheflyer4903]

Politics is not for the people, it's self interest period.

[@lungamasuku6872]

Where did you pick up such nonsense!!🤣🤣🤣self interest is just self interest!!!,politics is the Art to serve the interests of the populous or the many!!

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

and its dangerous

[@RSVPrr]

​@@lungamasuku6872 stop lying Nothing about politics is art

[@ChrisJackson-c3i]

This is a small minority of Rich people that are worried about loosing their Assets whenever I see any podcasts with Mr Craig pushing this ludicrous and dangerous ideology I make very clear that he does not have 64 % of the backing of the people of the Western Cape he must learn the Demographics of the Cape Provence and get a lesson in the Politics and History also he's no idea

[@ChrisJackson-c3i]

ANTI CAPE INDEPENDANCE

[@jessiebloemfontein3119]

Hi Sizwe , Im a prosecutor and never really had a interest in politics or political affairs , however since I found your channel Ive been hooked and learning so much , so I just wanna thank you and please keep the content flowing.. Will you do a episode titled " who do I vote for" ... God Bless Dr S

[@_SMWX]

Thanks so much! Prosecutors do such great work. 🙏🏽

[@thabeloyanga]

I agree with Jessie on this one.

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

a propagandists wet dream request: "Tell us who to vote for"

[@theidealisticman]

Is it a stupid idea? Yes. Should we underestimate it? No.

[@GitauJeremiah-r8w]

ooh yes I❤ your brilliance. intelligence is all about asking the right questions

[@leetbee]

Ironically, one of those independence salesmen quote tweeting your video led me here and it was the best thing the fool has ever done. Excellent distillation of the issues with this pipe dream!

[@georgengcobo5678]

Thanks

[@_SMWX]

Wow thanks!

[@The_incorruptibleseed.]

Thank Dr. Sizwe we love your work.

[@nathilefenya2992]

The laugh is so infectious. The subject matters is so bizarre.The implications are threatening. The performance... Spectacular!! Great episode Sizwe. Subscribed!

[@veronicakarstel9126]

@robsgonesailing i AM DEFINITELY VOTING RP. UNLESS YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE WC YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ABOUT COLOUR IT'S ABOUT OUR DAMS/SCHOOLS/ INFRASTRUCTURE CANNOT COPE FOR MILLIONS OF MIGRANTS FROM OTHER PROVINCES. WE ALREADY HAD DAY ZERO IN 2018 AND NOW AGAIN OUR DAMS ARE LOW.

[@alexandernyamazana4795]

@@veronicakarstel9126calling citizens moving within their country immigrants is the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever heard, your privilege is making you delusional, this nonsense will soon come to an end.

[@alexandernyamazana4795]

⁠linganya lina maracists

[@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi]

​@@veronicakarstel9126Wow, what about the inflow of illegal immigrants into the Western Cape? You are only concerned about black South Africans because you cannot exploit them as cheap labor.

[@desoxx]

@@alexandernyamazana4795 you can tell that they really applied their deepest thoughts on this issue..lol!

[@edithmiller3114]

Thank you for this very clear explanation of why the idea of 'Cape Independence' is just stupid!

[@AfrikaVibes]

People are just afraid to be clear racist and they come with different wishful ideas. If its not self determination, Jan Van Riebek blend, it becomes localization, failure of ANC government or anything that will make this idea a reality.

[@lm_b5080]

why do you disagree with localisation? i don’t see why what happens in my hometown of lusikisiki should be determined by the colonial city of pretoria 1000km away? this is what is happening now, we get corrupt politicians who don’t care about the community

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

We can certainly have racist views and as far as I know, we have no "thought-police" to stop us. But lets not confuse ourselves : opposing the government on its failures is not being racist. Refusing to accept failure is not racist. Wanting a world-class society to live in, is not racist. So, I ask, why are we accepting second and third best, when we can be tops? Can the ANC turn us into a world-class society? I very much doubt it. Now, here is my challenge to all readers : I want your children to be highly educated, wealthy, well-travelled, cultured and knowledgeable. What do you want for your own children?

[@leratom7106]

Thank you for your thoughts, Dr. Mpofu-Walsh. I absolutely loathe this idea. My concern is that laws change over time and with enough deep pockets this could potentially be a reality for future generations if this continues to find platforms to be heard and entertained.

[@FictionHubZA]

Have you noticed the sudden claim that vantu people aren't native? The aim of that is to delegitimize the natives of South Africa so the Europeans can take a piece of this country. The audacity to tell people who have been here for thousands of years that they don't belong her life astounding.

[@troy1709-h5f]

Whom did the Bantu settlers originating from Cameroon, buy the land from? 'thousands of years ...' Can you substatiate that? What about millions of years ago ... when ALL humans on the planet developed in Africa and migrated to the rest of the world ... evolving eg. white skins as they moved through cold climates .... Do you know the science about human evolution? Just Google it?

[@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716]

That's because they aren't native. They came from further north and stole the land from the Khoisan. Ironically, the Boers gave been in at least the Cape for far longer than the Bantu, they came in 1652 and the Bantu only arrived during the Mfecane almost two centuries later

[@FictionHubZA]

@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 You thought you had something there. Bantu people have been here for at least 3000 years. The Khoisan exist in other places in Africa, and they are seen as another tribe there. It's only here that tries to make them seem like a different group for exactly the reasons I mentioned.

[@FictionHubZA]

@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 The Khoisan and other similar people exist throughout Southern and Eastern Africa. In all of these countries, they are referred to as a tribe and are seen as black. In Kenya, there are Nilo-Saharan people who are also not bantu but are also treated like a tribe.

[@FictionHubZA]

@@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716 People who say what you're saying only want to claim the Khoisan to take away the legitimacy of Bantu. You are literally telling people who evolved on this continent that they don't belong here.

[@phiwo8998]

Wow Sizwe, what a brilliant explanation for us who aren’t scholars of political science. Thank you 🙏

[@Lungile_Adams]

The Cape Independence Party was formed before the EFF and the DA. In 2024, they failed to get enough signatures to register to be on the ballot. MK was formed not so long ago, and they managed to get the needed signatures to be on the ballot. They even tried to recruit Gayton Mckhenzi in 2023. The only thing they have is a lot of money. We don't want to be fighting wars with the Western Backed Cape a few years from now, hence we don't vote for it and we even refused to give them our signatures.

[@veronicakarstel9126]

ANY IDIOT LIKE ZUPTHA CAN GET SIGNATURES, IT MEANS NOTHING. THE DA WON'T ALLOW THE PEOPLE OF THE WC TO HAVE A REFERENDUM BECUSE THEY FEEL THREATHENED, SO I THINK ITS FAIR THAT THE WC PEOPLE CAN DECIDE, BLACK, WHITE AND COLOUR.

[@Dotata2009]

Powerful, you are a committed citizen.

[@Truthseeker-iz3dj]

Western Cape Independence was possible when the coloured population was over 65% in the Western cape. Blacks and whites have flooded the province because it's the best place to Iive in SA. I really feel for the coloured population, Cape Independence would of been good for them as they would of been in control. However, now that the coloured population has collapsed to 41% due to the invasion of blacks and whites its not possible.

[@AA-xs8mv]

​@@Truthseeker-iz3djcolored population is 53% but true the invasion of white's and black's has caused so many problems especially the eastern cape invasion.

[@RSVPrr]

​@@AA-xs8mv then go to Europe

[@tebogomabusela7936]

This is so hilarious😂 your opening remarks are so blunt. I am thinking about the episode where you hosted Dr Corne Moulder legitimise this thing realising this is what you thought in your mind as you were listening and nodding😭😭 respect for that composure.

[@_SMWX]

Interviews and analysis are two different arts. 😂

[@berniediedricks5681]

When u know they r making idiots of themselves talking Apartheid, u just let them talk until they realise we know apartheid and we say NO 2 APARTHEID 😢

[@ColGaddafi]

This apartheid foolishness makes me hate Nelson Mandela and his weak minded leadership rushing to proclaim forgiveness to unrepentant people. Look at how they're embarrassing his memory.

[@nmndhlovu]

I must admit Dr Mpofu also had me there.

[@mariusoosthuizen2235]

Well sa is a f..shithole why not

[@Alkabulan54]

Great one Sizwe. These informative shares go a very long way in educating SA at citizens. We appreciate it. We sure DO NOT want to experience the 🍉 situation brewing in SA.

[@katenkosi1389]

We have seen the DA telling politicians leaders must go there because it's belong themselves so they can continue control over South Africa ❤

[@ThamsanqaVava]

They want a China and Taiwan situation a Russia and Ukraine situation sponsored by you know who.

[@kchabangu]

They want an Israel and Palestine situation. If they are allowed to do this you will have a 🇺🇸 military base there in a matter of months.

[@patbouwer1637]

I wondered why the cape independence ideas keep mentioning some constitution under Belgian law. Is there such a thing as a constitution under written by the country of Belgium. Is there a constitution paper signed between President de klerk or any previous president and Belgium? I kerp trying to Google it but I see nothing about this constitution anywhere

[@patbouwer1637]

They seem to have taken something out of context here perhaps. How would this work strategically and geo politically ? I can see thst the port of simonstown could be very strategically positioned in lieu of the issues of the red sea and the houthis. Actually any port on the west coast will do. South africa could really play an enormous part in future trade between countries The blending as you say it's because the Dutch inter married with the africans and therefore the colored race came about but our original forefathers according to the Bible we came from Noah's 3 sons sham, ham and japheth. Japheth was fair skinned, ham was a black guy where Ethiopia came along and all black people and shem was olive skinned where Indian and colored came from. We are all related guys by birth according to God

[@patbouwer1637]

Thank you for this sizwe. Unfortunately the da may not continue to government the western cape ! What will they do then?

[@patbouwer1637]

I am sure the western cape will be a coalition like all other provinces I think

[@trishmosh]

They love dividing Africa yet they will never try and divide Europe.

[@timalders9959]

this might be the dumbest comment i have ever read

[@trishmosh]

I have Facts and where are yours dumb dumb ?

[@Sov3reign951]

Agreed with everything mentioned, these people are way too fond of gated estates

[@caesar3909]

Get a load of this. One of these Cape Independence guys said after they emerge victorious from the "race war", they will build a wall around the Cape; protected by tanks & all sorts of heavy artillery & gizmos😂😂Cape independence is the refurbished AWB. New flag, new colours but with no legitimacy because their head cashew isn't even one of us; he's not South African. He's British & thought he'd come down here to put his foot down & tell us what to do like in the good old days

[@mabaker391]

Delusional🤣

[@SikiDlanga]

🤣😂😂😂 a wall! hahaha haha baphambene ababantu.

[@veronicakarstel9126]

iMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD A WALL, TOO MANY MOUNTAINS, STOP LENDING OUT YOUR EARS TO RACISTS. ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN THE WESTERN CAPE MAY STAY IN THE WESTERN CAPE..

[@expose_massive_banking_crime]

Trump - style propaganda without even a disguise

[@akaddj]

100%, and also, the flag is a huge design fail - So obviously european, british settler vibes.

[@khaltsharivist365]

“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.” Thomas Jefferson. Capexit, Orania etc are only a thing because of the complacency of the majority camp.

[@waynepaulse3058]

Hi Muzi, agree separatism is dead in its crib. Not something I would entertain. However less centralization and more localization is needed in order to serve the communities we live in. Water, railways, roads, infrastructure etc.

[@_SMWX]

Sure. That’s a fair debate. Independence however is what I am addressing here.

[@thabanimathenjwa6459]

Win elections and implement your policies, do not try to influence policy direction through some weird fear mongering tactics.

[@Sburero]

Who is Muzi?

[@Notthelasttime]

@@SbureroI have the same question. This is Sizwe.

[@kwazingcobo8551]

​@@Sbureroblatant disrespect

[@thabo3866]

if you are familiar with the movie "Elysium", that's exactly what they're trying to achieve

[@AV_2303]

The 1652 blend, sent me off. The total disrepect to the people who lost their land because of blending.🤣🤣

[@_SMWX]

We all just “blended”. 😂🤷🏽‍♂️

[@HiltonLayman]

WC is the best run Province becuase of Blending it's the Blenders that build the Western Cape now thousands of unblended are flocking into the WC for a better life and a job Maybe you should look at your 30 years of stupidity and see who you voted for that destroyed our Economy our industry and our Infructructure....that was never buildt by the Unblended by the way it just destroyed the Unblended by nothing or significants in 30 years except Madupi and Khusili and thank the Lord becuase I swear it would have made our country look like a construction site that will never finish As for the Kand unless you KHOISAN you own nothing unless you bought it this South Africa RIGHTFULL owners are the KHOISANS and not the invaders of the 1800 and the settlers of 1652 at least the Settlers are intelligent enough to know they need to buy land while the invaders think that the Continent belogs to them Go get a proper Education then you will know Insulting fellow South Africans is not PC imagine I call you th K word just for fun and to be sarcastic ...so Voetjek go get a better than 30% pass rate ..I'm waiting on you 🤣🤣🤪

[@bc9137]

Such is life, and the history of civilisations. Do not look at life through a contemporary lens in 1652.

[@okene]

​@@bc9137I agree, but acknowledge what happened. Euphemisms like "the blend😢" is comical

[@ricaard6959]

They didn't just lose their land btw, they got all but wiped out. Most Coloureds (that they are using in their attempt to legitimize their movement) who are said to be the descendants of these people aren't actually even their direct descendants, genetic studies show they share genetic markers with the southern Khoi peoples meaning they have some Khoe ancestors (meaning women who were raped by Dutch settlers), but they are descended mostly from Whites, Bantus, and Malays, not just Khoekhoe, in fact, coloureds share just as much with khoi people as they do with bantu people. The only true Khoekhoe still in existence are here in Namibia. It is not just historical revisionism but legitimizing one of the most horrific periods in human history. Not only is what they say not true, it is horrendously offensive to any Khoekhoe.

[@robbykurnia9671]

Cape independence is not delusional or impossible, you have to remember weapons are still legally legal so supporters of Cape independence have at least 1 coin. Keep in mind, the so-called Republic of South Africa is also the creation of white people who you may secretly hate. If the economic and security situation worsens, it is not impossible for people to demand Cape independence

[@berniediedricks5681]

Cape Town is the Mother City, we fought and now we r 🇿🇦South Africa 30yrs democracy free from Apartheid. No separation from South Aftica🇿🇦, that's Apartheid, Zionist TALK, we say NO NO, we will not be divided. Stand strong and don't vote 4 Apartheid. 😭

[@edithmiller3114]

Of course...the Referendum Party is headed by a Brit! He's been here for 20 years and thinks that he can turn the Western Cape into.....what? Another British Colony? Just stupid.

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

I am confused. What is "Zionist TALK"?

[@Qotha]

@@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210 Xionists are leaders of Cape Independence

[@lilianhaggland2031]

Amen

[@PatrickJacobs-u1f]

As a Cape Coloured I don't agree with the idea of independence but hello we live in a democracy and people can propagate ideas that we don't agree with. That is democracy. If the majority of the people support the idea, why not?😮

[@TheNizzah1]

Unitary state brother. Also, you have to know that they’ll say the new country must be based on “merit” which means white people will hire each other in anll the good jobs and leave you guys as second class citizens. Which masses will stand with you then? You’d all be on your own because you voted to leave the safety of SA.

[@mr.blackzonrackz7055]

On their way to Europe they can drop you off in Malaysia how about that?

[@standfortruth324]

Wow. Racist much?

[@thabo3866]

Would you as a Cape Coloured be able to go to Phil Craig's country the UK and attempt the same without repercussions? But then I'm not surprised you'd gravitate towards the idea. white people play you like cheap violins over there

[@veronicakarstel9126]

@@mr.blackzonrackz7055 AND YOU IN THE cONGO

[@alexmwesigwa3913]

Brother thanks for coming out to explain this am a ugandans who was following those guys it was bringing me goose pimples I have never gone to South Africa we studied about apetheid in SA so it was giving me headache please let's not allow colonialism. segregation again in Africa

[@phakamambeje7620]

You're shining Sizwe. Thanks for your wisdom 🙏🏾

[@verlorenvlei1325]

Excellent example of how a good education does not always lead to wisdom. Enjoyed listening to you though. Thank you. 😎

[@lungamasuku6872]

I enjoyed this episode so much and I loved this side of you Dr Mphofu-Walsh 😂❤,this one definitely makes my top 10❤

[@_SMWX]

I'm so glad!

[@Reminscent_Monk]

Thanks!

[@_SMWX]

Welcome!

[@siphesihletom4933]

If it was legally permissible trust me Helen and the DA would have jumped on that ship already

[@kgosimotsamai]

Thank you Dr Sizwe for giving us more clarity on this matter. I have one question. Is it possible to revoke citizenship of that Phil Craig guy?

[@antonsiebrits]

Good question.

[@avrilmemela9392]

Britain imposed the same "blend" when they kidnapped Australian aborigines women , raped them in order to bring the aboriginal race to extinction...Genetic colonization...

[@nomhlembassa4249]

Baphambene , mababuyele e England, Europe to self determine!!!!

[@thandomcoteli6177]

They can see that they hey won’t win Western Cape , this is their desperate measures to try and have power

[@veronicakarstel9126]

BUGGER OFF. WE WERE BORN HERE AND OUR ANCESTORS CAME FROM EUROPE JUST LIKE YOUR ANCESTORS CAME FOR THE CONGO

[@biko8229]

@@veronicakarstel9126 Why did you find it necessary to colonise us? What was your strategic goal?

[@lungamasuku6872]

Well said 🤌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@alexandernyamazana4795]

@@veronicakarstel9126that’s a fallacy you peddle to justify your racism.

[@martharadebe9465]

Dr. Sizwe, thank you for the information shared. I have learned a lot from you.

[@angelabaxter6298]

I don't support Cape Independence

[@katlegogodwinmogotlhe]

"So the whole constitutional argument is based on dot dot dot"🤣🤣🤣

[@Chris-wz4zr]

If the people of the Cape want independence give them independence.

[@lilianhaggland2031]

But we dont

[@bryantelford495]

The idea of Western Cape independence would be a mute point if the ANC ran the country well. Years if ANC mismanagement, corruption and the lack of ability to create jobs, improve roads, hospitals, supply basic needs like schooling and electricity has meant that some people want to take things into their own hands. There are many people in South Africa who have wanted to play an active role in the betterment of South Africa but have been hamstrung because of the colour of their skin. Instead of retreating into a corner or leaving the country, people are wanting to map their own future. Whether one agrees or not, it’s important to understand why people have come to such an idea…

[@stellad7315]

exactly this guy is trying to play victim when the country is being ran to ground. I support independence how much time going to give ANC to fix things. It meet basic needs show ANC needs to go

[@martinntsakomathebula7852]

Believe me you went hard on this one, i have been waiting for this other side of you like you are saying we are having fun. Lets have more fun going forward, i always thought you have this other side and boom made me proud. This was a brilliant coverage loved it👊 Ayeye. #Spread the fire

[@khaltsharivist365]

21:14 Building One South Africa is the idea that Mmusi tried to sell as leader of DA and quickly found out there were no takers, the DA brain trust rejected it & ejected him. The FF+ and DA are invested in having bigger Oranias, the size of provinces. If they could move Capetown and select areas next to Gibraltar they would. The DA tried to play the long game, increase devolution powers ie get more powers of policing and diplomatic relations etc then creating an army will not be difficult. There are plenty mercenary groups in the country and South African nationals serving in foreign armies. The government knows this too that’s why they passed The Foreign Military Assistance Act.

[@bernd_das_brot6911]

5:02 but they’re not a minority? A majority suppors independence. Also your definition of when self-determination applies is highly subjective, but just so happens to completely align with what happened with the West Cape. Jeez not off to a great start

[@Macedonia270]

I fully agree with your position on this issue. What really should have happened is that all white people who refuses to live in Africa, should have been offered the option to be repatriated to their countries of origin, even if this was 300 years ago. Those who opted to stay, would have had to make peace that they had to become "Africanized" and had to assimilate fully into Africa... That means "mixing" where they live, love, be entertained, shop and relax.... In my opinion, we can still do this. The EU need to take in people who has their origin in Europe and refuses to assimilate in Africa.

[@ngwakommeidikgale5077]

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

[@ronnienet6342]

Hey Sizwe Great video, as always. Just wanted to know if you could add the excerpts you read-out visually.

[@rowanjacklin]

You do realise the whole point of a referendum is to understand the wishes of the entire electorate. If the majority do not want independence, then the vote will show that. Why does it have to be so difficult to allow people to vote on this proposal of independence.

[@UrbanistPaul]

This video gives me vibes of an unhinged attack to such movements which gain rightfully momentum, without actually arguing and talking about there intentions. If SA keeps the trajectory it is right now, sooner or later the Cape Independence will happen. Edit: Looked at the pooling and the absolute majority of the population of the Cape want the referendum. They see the writing on the wall and want to take the parachute before south africa crash by becoming the next Zimbabwe. 😎

[@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi]

Evil with no soul. Western Cape is part of South Africa. When we fought for the evil oppressors during apartheid, we were fighting for the liberation of our country, South Africa, Western Cape included. We cannot make that mistake. let them dream since they're entitled to it. we spread da faya ayeye.

[@Kalushi-w4t]

😂😂The Blend. You couldn't hold yourself Dr.

[@_SMWX]

😂🤷🏽‍♂️

[@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi]

😂😂😂😂

[@TJSDU]

The "blend" aspect of this topic feels like a desperate attempt by the Cape independence to try and consolidate the colored community. These words "in 1652 the Dutch and Khoi-San began to blend" a poor attempt to demonstrate a cultural overlap between these two races. By trying to basically say that coloured = indigenous, they are fishing for coloured people's votes/support, who make up a majority in the western Cape. If you ask actual khoi-San people across the Cape, across the country (Northern Cape especially) they don't see themselves as colored. And as a black South African man married to an Indian South African woman and rising a 'coloured' child I couldn't agree more, coloured doesn't equal to indigenous.

[@jacquesskermand3427]

Donald trump & Brexit was a stupid idea, and look how that turned out

[@lyndxnjoel6917]

Hey man, great take on this crap. I'm from Cape Town and have spent time in most areas across the city and some major ones in the province. This Cape Independence is only designed for those who came here to blend. Not those who got thrown in the blender.

[@user-sc8ek9qj5o]

Yebo😊

[@troy1709-h5f]

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

[@jabulanismith]

Until you discover that your country has a vast amount of minerals, including gas and oil, then the ' people' money becomes irrelevant.

[@sphumelelesijadu]

New member. Continue spreading the fire!!❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

[@maboxana-mi5lh]

The arrogance of these aliens is so amazing.

[@Bjm365]

They have a kak idea that won't fly. And Cape coloured in their majority should stop being dizzy and think they are not black, essentially African. This Cape Independence is championed by such dizzy and horny mangoose who goes with wherever the wind blows 🚮

[@khomotsonkomo8057]

As for aliens😂😂😂......this is the beginning of their loss of economic power.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

😂the fact that they are not reminded of their suitable title, alien, has a lot to do with it I suspect.

[@SikiDlanga]

I'm glad you didn't stop doing your podcast once you were accepted on mainstream tv.

[@jidebolarinwa697]

Western Cape deserves independence

[@wilsonvusimuzi1461]

Only if you want war, ask those who have travelled that road, you think people will fold their arms and let western cape to slip away?

[@jidebolarinwa697]

@@wilsonvusimuzi1461 So you don't support freedom?

[@wilsonvusimuzi1461]

@@jidebolarinwa697 freedom for what? For perpetual discrimination do you want me to get a passport to go to western cape or captonians go around carrying passport is that what you want for your future.

[@KREATOR2024-e2g]

You not a south african you're Nigerian focus on your biafra issues along with your black axe gangs along with your citizens getting enslaved in Libya and arrested everywhere else and stick your nose out of my country's business

[@siboshT]

If western cape wants to brake away from South Africa, for seperatisim within the confines of its borders,that means all mines,stores farming land and resources owned by these minority groups of privileged ,must be let go to the hands of South Aricans,and let them build their wealth from within the boarders of Western. Cape.

[@mbuyiselimatshangane7542]

Couldn't agree more, they should forfeit everything they own and be wholly based in the western cape and their wealth too.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

I agree with you up until the point where we let them establish an Israel in Africa...the West still has a lot of military power to deploy.

[@thandekamagagula299]

My thoughts exactly

[@johannel9982]

My opinion is that they will succeed and the remainder of South Africa will continue to deteriorate

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

@@johannel9982 is the opinion informed by emotions?

[@farieddebruyns338]

Is Oranja within this right? Is that an example?

[@jsNkutha-eu3iu]

Go to school

[@Matt-jm8ji]

​@@jsNkutha-eu3iuu dom droll

[@constantinekayodeakinfolar8977]

A thoroughly enjoyable and informative episode. Sizwe, I am indebted to you for filling the gaps I have in my history and understanding of social political events. Salute. Being something of a gentleman I see you refused to directly call out the DA romancing this issue as at the very least entertaining racist ideas.

[@ricaard6959]

Hey Sizwe, loved your analysis btw. But as a Namibian who's a Khoekhoe, I have to say that the "blend" and historical revisionism that these people engage in is particularly disturbing to me, I know you didn't call them this, but that in itself shows the very racist origins of this movement.

[@karthi7016]

They don't like sharing the roads with minibus taxis too...

[@nomxhosapekani7966]

Of cause, it's oppressive sitting at the beach next to someone eating Gatsby and Fanta with no knife and fork😅😅😅

[@SimonHough-hz8wp]

@karthi7016 we don't like sharing the road with anyone, not just taxis.

[@erickdavid2412]

We dont like sharing our roads with criminals. If your Taxi is legal no one will touch you. I get the rest of the country is not used to police doing their jobs. Here in cape town we work.

[@brianr4960]

With respect Sizwe, I think you miss the point. Western Cape independence would never have raised its head if the Government over the past 30 years had stuck to the goals of the ANC of 1994. Only one thing has been delivered on in 30 years............. freedom (and that was delivered by the masses not the ANC Government!). But what is freedom if you don't have a job and are starving? The best way to make sure that Western Cape independence doesn't happen is for the Government to deliver what all South Africans need, and now!!!

[@TJSDU]

The "blend" aspect of this topic feels like a desperate attempt by the Cape independence to try and consolidate the colored community. These words "in 1652 the Dutch and Khoi-San began to blend" a poor attempt to demonstrate a cultural overlap between these two races. By trying to basically say that coloured = indigenous, they are fishing for coloured people's votes/support, who make up a majority in the western Cape. If you ask actual khoi-San people across the Cape, across the country (Northern Cape especially) they don't see themselves as colored. And as a black South African man married to an Indian South African woman and rising a 'coloured' child I couldn't agree more, coloured doesn't equal to indigenous.

[@TebogoMolloWaBorwa]

The blend joke is this cape Independence brought by foreigners

[@desoxx]

You really had fun with this one, and I loved it! Looking forward to more of these fun "blended" episodes lol!

[@thisisvaughanroberts439]

Most coloured people in Cape Town don't want to break away! Separitism is a minority white idea being peddled onto coloured people by triggering irrational emotions & fears. It's like wanting to cut a branch off a tree in order to save the branch???🤔 Im South African 1st, Cape Townian 2nd, and Coloured 3rd. I still have hope that our great grand childen will no longer be classified by any of these Apartheid racial terms, and we all are strictly South African🙏❤

[@Pure_Boxing]

As a coloured, when were you given traditional land under apartheid government? When were you favored under the ANC OR DA? As far back as your generations go here, you've been pillaged and brainwashed. Coloureds don't know their own kind were kings in their own lands, I'm industry and trade

[@n.m6249]

What about South Africans who have properties and businesses in WC and rest of SA, will they need passports to go to their home, will Xhosa people living in WC be removed and settled elsewhere, will flights to WC only come from other countries??? Total madness

[@Matt-jm8ji]

Same was said about Namibia and lesotho

[@tumelontseare5743]

😂😂😂😂 Spicy!🌶️🌶️🌶️🔥🔥 lol I loved and had a good laugh at this analysis Abuti. But I’m judging you for not telling Dr Leo Mulder the same thing 😅😅 Please get Darren Campher as a guest once in a while to share these kind of entertaining yet thought-out analysis

[@cally2011]

3 conditions for a state. 1. Declare it. You need enough people to declare themselves within a territory. 2. Defend it: you must maintain your borders by force. get recognition in order to conduct foreign policy. In that order. None of those is remotely close

[@MsLolo_SA]

I’m happy I subscribed to this channel

[@_SMWX]

😁

[@mikexc.martin7645]

most foolish idea ever

[@L_L350]

According to Dr Corne Mulder who was on you channel 2 weeks ago. 70% of the people in support of the Cape independence are DA voters. That is why the have "Cape Exit" in their campaign. their strategy is to get that vote. I agree the DA might loose Cape and Cape independence is an absurd concept.

[@Ashley-e6m9e]

There are 2 independent bantu stands states within SA borders, Swaziland and Lesotho which no one has a problem with, what is so different with Cape independence, why does everyone seems to have issue with it. Independence is written within our SA constitution, where does all this hate of Cape independence surface. Is it only okay for blacks to claim self determination

[@ThatGuy-jr1wr]

You mean countries.

[@sechabajohn7393]

Those were British protectorates they were never part of the Union of South Africa when it it was formed in 1910

[@VJ592]

Cape independence means 95 % of South Africa will try move there so yes its not feasible

[@nosizweTT]

95%? Why are they not moving there now? I guess it's for obvious reasons. Even people who were born there are running away.

[@_SMWX]

There’s currently more migration to Gauteng than WC.

[@VJ592]

@@_SMWX read nicely Cape Independence is future tense not present. Get the basics understand grammar then politics. Big problem is South Africa people don't want the classroom they want to sit in the boardroom. Cape Independence equals mass migration and depopulation of SA.

[@doug5508]

I would like to know what culture I share with these people… My question is using their logic … if the khoisan where to call for a referendum for a khoisan independent state .. Will they support it…

[@itanimatshisevhe7757]

1652 blend for Dr 😂😂😂you were rocking on this analysis I loved it so much ❤❤❤❤❤keep it up my brother, you are our only episos that we trust in everything ❤❤❤#100k subscribers before 29 may 2024❤❤❤

[@lm_b5080]

opposed to this silly movement. however, curious to hear your thoughts on more governmental power given to local & provincial governments? The history of centralisation of power in South Africa (to Pretoria) goes back to Jan Smuts who didn't trust local governments to manage themselves & this is a legacy that the ANC has perpetuated, which to me is very neo-colonial + elitest. Shouldn't grass roots communities - through direct democracy - have a bigger say over their own safety, education, healthcare, housing etc. ?

[@_SMWX]

The question of provincial powers-or even the existence of provinces-is a fair debate but WC Independence is just silly.

[@User47HD]

​@@_SMWXhow tf is the existence of provinces up for debate? 😂

[@lungamasuku6872]

Ey’Baba section 1:number 1”south Africa is a Republic “not a federation!!!read our constitution!!,its not that complicated!

[@lm_b5080]

@@lungamasuku6872 i believe budgets should be allocated to municipalities for education, housing, police, etc. why do you want these neo-colonisers in pretoria to control our lives? what do these elites know about our struggle?

[@Teeman812]

The way you laughed at "The blend" 😂😂😂😂

[@antonioflorenca6086]

Your sarcasm is not always well placed. South Africa is a Republic and yet the largest population group is heavily influenced by a Monarch to vote a certain way. If people in KZN want a Monarch, they should fund it themselves and not be subsidised by the rest of the 'Republic'. This huge voting block holds the rest of the country to ransom.

[@londanintshangase]

Constitutional Democracy that's what South Africa is and will remain. Zulsu do have a traditional leader in the King just as other tribes have their Kings, what is the issue here?

[@TheMsyZa]

That statement just screams "echo chamber"

[@AlbertBormant]

In an August 2023 poll conducted by the CIAG, only 31% of Black respondents agreed that "I believe that South Africa belongs to everyone who lives here regardless of their race", compared with 80% of Coloureds and 88% of Whites.

[@mphomokhoane5714]

Haai Sizwe 😂🤣😂 "the blend". I love the way you say "blend". I'm crying 🤣😂🤣😂. I enjoy the podcast and really enjoy the humour you put into your episodes from time to time 😂🤣😂🤣

[@leratomrali6964]

I thought we were "Stronger Together" what's happening now ?

[@jsNkutha-eu3iu]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@khaltsharivist365]

Those with much to atone for continue to snub the hand of reconciliation that has been extended to them unmerited. What they fail to understand those with plenty, have much to lose when that hand is withdrawn.

[@Rose-n8k7n]

Afrikaner's always said they were forced to speak English and under false presence till saying not racist

[@CoenieOosthuizen-x1x]

Why would such a small minority trigger you?

[@thamimahlangabeza6639]

'cause if things are not nip in the bud have a way of getting out of hand later on. Anyway, where do you stand on the matter? And why?

[@CoenieOosthuizen-x1x]

​@@thamimahlangabeza6639 If it is such a stillborn and braindead concept then why dedicate a video on it?

[@thamimahlangabeza6639]

@@CoenieOosthuizen-x1x The good doctor has a KZbin channel for issues like this, as you might have guessed. So, which platform would you have preferred that he used? Anyway, thank you for thinking that it's a stillborn. The doctor too wants to make sure that the concept is dealt with in utero.

[@CoenieOosthuizen-x1x]

@@thamimahlangabeza6639 A minority within a minority within a minority. Lol, amazing how such a insignificant small group can trigger such reactions. I am sure the good doctor is capable of answering for himself. No need to do so on his behalf

[@HelenaOlivier-l4q]

Sizwe, you and I are on opposite sides of the political spectrum on a lot of issues, but here I agree with you 100%! Thanx for your show. x

[@siyandankundla-mgudlwa1888]

Thank you for unpacking the SCI-FI NOVEL. So entertaining 😅

[@bernd_das_brot6911]

Its not at all invalid to seek independence against a regime with a different ideological viewpoint and economical situation. Slovenia did it for example

[@gerhardwillemse4043]

I am living in the Eastern Cape, I fail to understand the allegation of Independence being foolish and delusional. I quote; "Greytown - The Abantu Batho Congress, let by the mayor of the Umvoti local municipality, Philandi P G Mavundla, is advocating the establishment of a sovereign Zulu state in KZN and a self-governing Basotho state in the Free State. It says this vision will progressively extent to the creation of an autonomous Xhosa state in the Eastern Cape." Why not address this together with the RP? Maybe it is time to get away from cadres.

[@thamimahlangabeza6639]

Sir, this call is not new. In the 90s we had to contend with the calls by Addriaan Vlok of "Die Volkstaat" and a call for a federal government by IFP of Mangosuthu Buthelezi. Do you know why they failed? Because the call from these two parties were both self-serving and totally distractive. If our freedom was based on the entire country, then what right do we have to start cutting it up. The only problem that needs to be faced by both the Independent Party and Abantu Batho Congress. It is that they have only two options. Either to figure out a way of making South Africa (as a whole) work for everyone, or to simply chose to go to the country of their choice that would pander to their whims. What they are asking for is not an option ...finish and klaar.

[@khumofx1838]

Very soon the Chinese, Nigerians and so on will be requesting a referendum. It's a wet dream Sir, and it will remain just that.

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

Allow me to add my two words here, from Cape Town. I was never for Apartheid, viewing it as a way of distorting the economy, creating social barriers and setting up artificial barriers to growth. Now that we no longer have it, I feel that I have nothing in common with the population at large in any way. I am forced by law to be forced into a quota system (strangely, exactly the old system). We are still constraining our economy. We are forcing people into boxes. Its not working and I want out. So I support Western Cape Independence.

[@_SMWX]

Maybe you should ask why you feel nothing in common with others in your country?

[@paul_AM]

What you actually want is to preserve and protect the gains you obtained from apartheid and any decisions by the government to redress the crimes committed by apartheid seem to be unacceptable to you thus your wish to breakup from the black majority.

[@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210]

@@paul_AM You may want to say that but I don't agree with you. I want to live in a society which is prosperous, growing, thriving and wealthy. I want our children to be well educated. I want my country to bring in people and money from offshore because of the richness of opportunities. Alternatively, we can live in a country where the government actively makes everyone poorer by putting up barriers to investment. Where our children cannot read for meaning. Where our young professionals graduate and leave as fast as possible.

[@nehemiahfredericks6464]

@@e-strategicsaccu-maths9210 lol and the western cape is an example of that society? The Cape Flats where the majority of the land dispossessed live due to policies like the Group Areas Acts. Do you support us getting our land back? Cape Town hasn't changed at all we have a white matriculant running our province and Black graduates can't even get an internship? And that is across industry in Cape Town in particular from the older white population.

[@nehemiahfredericks6464]

Those boxes are needed, and the policies needed to readdress those boxes. You take owning a house in a safe, good neighborhood as an example we have been deprived of that by our past like the group areas act. Majority of whites did not pay for those properties at market value, it was the gift of land dispossession now you want us to pay for stolen land at market value, you are delusional and crazy.

[@RynoLeGrange]

I was in their Discord server out of curiosity and it is extremely fringe. We debated the practicalities and my conclusion was that it's impossible to achieve because of the myriad of obstacles you laid out. The members were quite young and naive with pseudo-anarcho-capitalist convictions and conspiracy theorist tendencies. They'd call a social democracy communist. Definitely influenced by US Republican libertarianism.

[@akaddj]

I also looked into them, and the collective intelligence is limited, and politically very Trumpian. Why are they getting so much media exposure though? Craig is a snake oil salesman from the UK, and his young sidekicks have a rif-raf vibe to them.

[@pinkymnyango6036]

Dr Mpofu- Walsh great review, you are making sense to me. Thank you 🎉😮

[@_SMWX]

My pleasure!

[@bernd_das_brot6911]

God I hoped for some actual anti-independence arguments but all I get is some hipster condescendingly making awful arguments with holes so large Zuma could fit through. On the one hand I want to point out every mistake and on the other I want to stop watching.

[@michaelventer885]

I'm not from the Cape. But I'm sure that Ad Hominem is not a good argument against Democracy and applies irrespective of geography and/or our presuppositions.

[@farieddebruyns338]

What is Self Determination in the South African Constitution.

[@thamimahlangabeza6639]

Self-determination has implication to a 'nation' that is recognisable by international law which should be able to rule itself but it is not because of external factors like subjugation by an occupying power or colonialism. The present case of Palestine fit the case of a territory that might be understandable when it calls for Self-Determination. Not the Western Cape...sorry. I'm sure our constitution will not contradict that.

[@avrilmemela9392]

A nation of South Africans . A group of Europeans in South africa, does not constitute a nation in this country...

[@kennyappany3805]

They also laughed at Orania , these boers are really doing fantastic.Most people are jealous of them.They are independent and everyone works. They pay tax to the ANC government

[@akaddj]

Orania will implode eventually. Greed and self-interest, if not unnatural selection, will take it's toll. Isolation is sickness.

[@leo-adamza6753]

10:36 😂 Ja, nee... hy't nogals baie hieso laat "blend"

[@guillaumecabano33]

Section 235 of the constitution provided that the right of the South African people as a whole to self-determination does not preclude the self-determination of any cultural group within the territory of South Africa, as determined by national legislation. What this means is that the South African nation may not prevent any other nation within it's territory to exercise their right to self-determination. This ought to allow a nation sharing a common linguistic history, such as, say, the Gorinhaicona of the Cape, to secede and form their own state on South African territory. Section 235 does not preclude this right, nor does intenational law preclude this right - it is inherent to human beings. Whereas national legislation does not yet exist to regulate this right, that simply means that this right to self-determination must be interpreted in terms of the constitution, and the constitution does not "preclude" (i.e. 'prevent') secession of this kind. However, is the Western Cape secession movement a legitimate expression of self-determination? No - their scheme of secession is not popularly supported within the whole Western Cape because most people justifiably recognize this secessionist movement as a ploy of White supremacy capitalism in order to preserve White privilege to the detriment of everybody else; hence why the movement is not a justifiable expression of the self-determination of the people living within the territory of the Western Cape. The movement could maybe buy up a piece of land and secede that piece of land, like in Orania, and that would be legal; although, should they then institute unfairly discriminatory rules/laws within that territory (e.g. "this land is for White Afrikaners only and not for non-White non-Afrikaans people") then this would be an unfair violation of the right to self-determination of other people within the territory of South Africa. Such an exclusionary state would be an apartheid state, which is a crime against humanity. Another thing to consider is the material consequences to such a secessionist nation - they will be economically severed off from the rest of South Africa because there is nothing compelling South Africa to continue providing public services to a nation / territory that it no longer part of South Africa and which South Africa no longer occuppies. Though I disagree with your interpretation of the law - nevertheless: I agree with your denouncement of this CapeXit movement. It is a foolhardy, divisive, and dangerous movement. It exists to pressure concessions towards further preserving White privilege, and that is wrong.

[@mbuyiselimatshangane7542]

Its okay for those who wanna practice that, but with that they should forfeit all the land and wealth(businesses) should be surrendered to the state. They must go and start fresh and build their own country(state).

[@agrid2608]

"....as determined by *national* legislation." i.e. SA national decides what that is. e.g formation of a localised authority. Obviously. It is an integral, sovereign state. Random people don't just get to make that decision willy nilly.

[@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716]

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Boer children. God Bless the true Dutch natives if the Cape. I pray that they gain their freedom