Why YOU should try trail braking with ABS OFF in Assetto Corsa Competizione

[@pri1ime880]

Time to quit, Nils faster than me with no ABS.

[@DCFHazardRebornChannel]

Yeap, Ive tried abs off and it really is a good way to further learn your car. I also tried it after getting some time on iracing. There are so many people saying iracing is more realistic, I had to try it, and ofc the age long argument of "it does breaking better"... i would disagree. I would say it overdoes lockup, especially with abs. Feels completely wrong to me. Lots of fun to further learn even more aspects to trail breaking etc, but I would say they went too far and if anything it is less realistic in that regard. Acc with no abs on the other hand felt much more normal, and with abs it just feels like the abs system is actually working.

[@rickrolled7930]

I once got bored of the brake/turn/accelerate nature of the gt3s and tried the porsche cup with abs to zero. Lots of fun and challenge. But that improved my trail braking in gt3, when i later switched back. Lots more confidence and better precission.

[@lemondigitaldesign]

I remember in LFS, on the FZR notably which I drove most, we used to set the Brake power so that when you hammered the brakes at the highest top speed you would just be underneath the lock up threshold. And then bleed off the brakes into the turns. That may not have given you the ultimate laptime but is was basically like driving with ABS, at least on straights and high speed braking points. It made a huge difference in drivability ... and If I remember well that was around 83% brake power - so pretty close to what you're doing here :)

[@SimracingPopometer]

We did that at the front of the grid too :)

[@kb5057]

@@lemondigitaldesign is that legal? I hear a lot of people do this, set the software to limit brake pressure, how is that allowed, feels like cheating to me. Is it allowed IRL?

[@lemondigitaldesign]

@@kb5057 it's part of the cars' setup options, so I don't think there's anything illegal or cheaty about it.

[@SimracingPopometer]

altering brake pressure by adjusting the brake cylinders, discs, pads or other components of the brake system is normal on real cars. all have an influence on the friction. the game only allows to adjust the brake pressure. due to ABS you dont need it. and there's also no need to limit the brake input artificially in your pedal software because you do need to be able to reach 100% in the game when the tire allows it for maximum braking efficiency. limiting your brake pressure is stupid so to say, so whoever wants to do that in ACC - feel free :D different in iracing where you can almost always brake more than the tire would be able to take, so it used to be common there to artificially cap the pedal to never exceed a certain brake input, due to the extreme sensitivity of iracing's tires to braking

[@kalrot3992]

What I learned from a sim course is that is not good to just expect the ABS to do all the work, rather learn the correct pressure for each corner without ABS and then when you turn it on, you should give yourself like a 10% threshold from the correct pressure (so now you avoid extra heat and tire ussage from just going 100% all the time). Dont know if this is good to do, but in my case, I can modulate the brakes better, and driving without ABS feels nice, dont know why.. (of course I dont do it on a race, only when learning the correct brake pressure). Edit: In my opinion, I think the tires are too insensitive to micro locks from braking and are too hard. You can see this in some GTWC sprints, for example at Brands Hatch: Top drivers where doing alien laps but they were 4/5 seconds slower on race pace (even with fast lap, I think the fastest was a high 24). Plus, because they are like that, you can use very low ABS without cons (apart for a little more of usage). Just my opinion, I could be wrong xd

[@kalrot3992]

Must add: After learning to treshold without abs and doing what I said, I have found all the agressive setups (all cars) very good to rotate the car. Even the AMG feels good and I can trailbrake with it, wich most people say its imposible. Whats wrong when driving the AMG is staying too much time on 100% or even staying too much time on high %, in that case it will be imposible to trailbrake.

[@dealscale]

Just buy a simagic haptic for the brake. Its super helpful.

[@lemondigitaldesign]

​@@dealscale I have watched a couple of sim racers here on YT who say that it's almost like a cheat code cos you can so easily feel the ABS threshold and navigate just below it which gives you better turn in and control. I am definitely going to invest, only wondering whether to upgrade the pedals themselves before I do :) Need to do a bit of research frst, I have simagic alpha and different wheels for it but my brakes are still fanatec loadcell kit, nothing wrong with them but the Simagic hydraulic ones look sweet :P

[@dealscale]

@@lemondigitaldesign I have heuskinkveld sprints and diy mounted them on my brake and throttle only. It's a game changer.

[@kalrot3992]

​@@dealscale I only have a DIY modded genius speed wheel 3 (look for it on Google). I would probably buy a good wheel before going for those pedals (and only if I had the budget)

[@petermallmann8120]

Mal wieder Topbeitrag. Sehr interessant.

[@chishingchan6069]

I am also playing with ABS off, because it feels more fun to play. (Playing CUP car only, no TC more fun..)

[@emre.gry01]

2:05 bottom LEDs on Porsche 992 indicates if the fuel is low or not. I'm not 100% sure but the 2 lights on the bottom left and right were flashing when my fuel was low.

[@XBOW83]

Its fun i just play acc since yesterday without ABS + TC to train IRL trackday amator on Nordschlief. Iam little sad because KTM gt4 was really bad feeling but when i go on Alpine GT4 its amazing feeling, i will try also Porsche cup. When i go to Iracing to train on same conditions i realise ACC have great physics and could be superior on certain conditions The lack of brake feeling in ACC was probably because ABS was too powerfull, its my feel

[@SimracingPopometer]

Let me know how you get along without ABS :)

[@Sauron.1]

I do not even get along with TC off :D

[@J3yB3]

@@Sauron.1 it’s terrible in slow turns bro. Also fastest laps have been set with 0-2 tc, and 0 is maximum for a half of the lap

[@reinholdhelge6676]

The professor! 👍🔥

[@RadracingHPP]

I tried two race no abs popped the tire didn't realize to turn back brake bias a lot more then usual ooops

[@HkgGodTracks]

May i ask, it's possible no abs at 100%damage rate? Every time i am braking into corner, and the vehicle will gradually to oscillation a lot. And the front tyre got puncture easily:(

[@SimracingPopometer]

that's because you lock up too much and flatspot the tire. you need to brake more carefully :) I also had damage on 100%. that's the idea of turning abs off: being forced to brake within the limits of the tire

[@reviewforthetube6485]

I swear the ffb feels so weird now after the final update. It's making me bummed lol. Also I feel like active pedals would really benefit us with abs off lol. Let me ask you though, so you also use no tc? If so why? In acc can it help you really be faster? I always feel like it's so much harder to trail brake well when the car is slippery. Lol I'm gonna try this on the 992 gt3 😉 it's already slippery so let's goo! But if you can't do it or won't chance it in competition what good is it learning a completely different driving style. I feel it could get in the way of what yoy adapted to already. If I learn something and I'm gonna get good at it I'm gonna use it in competition. So maybe I won't do this. Maybe I'll just use like tc off or at 1 and abs at 2 on all cars instead. I'm already at 2 on tc on all cars and abs at 3. So yeah.

[@SimracingPopometer]

The TC often cuts too early, before the tire loses grip. So turning TC off is the only save way for the last bit of lap time among the pro players, where every hundredth counts. It's irrelevant for amateur players i'd say. You're likely slower without TC as your error rate goes up massively. Active pedals might indeed help with ABS off if you can get it to respond to the correct information fast enough to react. Yet, I'm still sure ABS is faster at the end of the day

[@boosivemotorsportofficial]

Is this going to be the new meta edge? Risk versus reward....

[@SimracingPopometer]

no, definitely slower

[@warszawarc]

I mainly drive iracing (4500 IR, MX-5 Cup & 992 Cup) In the real world I drive Mx-5 ND (trackday itp) I have 700 hours in ACC (and I played it before Iracing (750h)) I tried driving without ABS with your setup. My best time was 2:19.400 (and after turning on ABS and TC it was worse than better. I used to like ACC (I know I've changed, it doesn't game) but now it irritates me a lot. I waste a lot more time to PRO than in iracing

[@RelaxSimmer]

Why is your Caster maxed out?

[@SimracingPopometer]

more grip, sir. caster helps retain camber while cornering and since our camber limits are quite low, more caster is usually better

[@RelaxSimmer]

@@SimracingPopometer From my understanding using more caster it increases the alignment force of the wheel but at the same time causes more camber when the wheel turns. So generally the less caster you have more camber you have to use to get the most optimal contact patch of the tyre. Do you know at which point you're using too much caster so the camber ends up being too much going past the optimal contact patch on the tyre when in turn? I always thought, run lowest caster you can with the FFB you want and that way you get more grip.

[@SimracingPopometer]

you have to see that the values we get in the setup screen aren't random min and max values. they are within the reasonable or regulatory margins of the series/car/tyre manufacturer. in ACC's case, camber limits are defined by pirelli. using more caster helps us essentially exceed these limits. its hard to get too much camber in ACC.

[@RelaxSimmer]

@@SimracingPopometer I see, do I ever have to worry about having too much camber in ACC or no?

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@RelaxSimmer unlikely. you can play with lower rear camber if your car, for whatever reason, does not rotate enough. it might also give better traction.

[@pupserq]

Cool.

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

Would you say abs is too powerful in acc?

[@SimracingPopometer]

no. there are enough GT3 drivers confirming the input pattern

[@andreasmadsen4759]

when will we see you again in LFM pro?? you are missed!😢

[@SimracingPopometer]

once its not 30°C outside ;)

[@Madness-g8m]

Super

[@emre.gry01]

3:08 German ''gut'' and English ''good'' confused lol

[@alpha007org]

I see what's ya doing with that title. You are playing Assetto Corsa Evo, but since you can't show it, you're replicating behaviors seen there in ACC. Sneaky...

[@SimracingPopometer]

*confused look*

[@simracer1256]

Are you on smack?

[@288gto7]

What i dont understand is why do they make the brakes so powerful in the first place. If even at 80% rating we can lock them up in heavy straight braking after a straight, why did they make it so powerful in the first place. Like who and when is gonna need that 100% full strength brakes

[@SimracingPopometer]

I don't think these values are a decision - thats just a value you'd get together with the other data about the car from the manufacturers. The brakes need to be strong enough to lock up. At full speed even with ABS off you won't be able to do that, so they are not even strong enough in theory. If you'd make them so weak that they couldn't lock up, everyone would just smash the brakes even with ABS off and without any fidelity needed - largely unrealistic.

[@cedricg5108]

Should we leave the brake power at 80% once we turn the ABS back on or do we set it higher? back to 100%?

[@SimracingPopometer]

let me know if you find a difference :D