This time on SPPTV Rob and Mike go to the rescue to prevent our friend Jerry from selling his brand new Terminator X! Will it start? Everyone has been through, or knows someone who has been through their first standalone EFI experience. Some with HP Tuners, some with Megasquirt, and many with Holley EFI. The Terminator X is sold as a plug and play solution for people looking to run an LS engine in a project vehicle. In most cases it probably is, but that depends on everything being correct mechanically with your engine; and all the information you plug into the Holley Terminator X ECU. If the computer does not know what specific parts it has at it's command, it will not be able to work as it should. We realize drilling a hole is not optimal. But the IAC settings seemed to effect no change, and we were trying to prevent a carb from being put on this sick engine! Plus the TB with the hole won't be on the truck much longer, and will be replaced by a larger unit and TBSS intake. This was just an exercise in making it run for now. Jerry's truck has been around for awhile but this combination is all new. it is a 6.0 based LS with aftermarket heads, a cam with over 240 duration, and nice parts throughout. If this video reaches 500 likes we will do a closer look at the truck once it is cruising the streets!
@brentspence33792 жыл бұрын
Hey guys just FYI most LS Holly setups you have to crank open the throttle body including the stock ones. Then you do TPS resets. When you can adjust it to where the IAC percentage is between 5 and 10%, it's almost perfect every time.
@darrenlooper10952 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely need to do a tps auto set in the wizard after adjusting the throttle adjustment screw
@SPPTVarmy2 жыл бұрын
We did
@brentspence33792 жыл бұрын
@@SPPTVarmy there's also iac parked which you may know cranking air and iac hold position which is basically like base idle airflow in hp tuners
@darrenlooper10952 жыл бұрын
@@SPPTVarmy awesome, yeah the terminator is badass for sure . They just have weird little quirks to get used to but once you do they are pretty dang sick
@MrAllan5oh2 жыл бұрын
Good job guys! A few tips. "Startup IAC position - hold time" set to 0 so idle spark and IAC control takes over immediately after initial fire. The learn table is always active, you don't need to transfer learn to base for it to change fueling. Always say no to smoothing and smooth manually. Always need to do the static timing check after first fire. Idle spark control will do a max 8 degrees + or - from your base spark table. Usually you have to jack up the "IAC parked" table with a stock style TB on a cammed engine. I like using the strip chart for start and idle tuning. Aim for 2% or less IAC at warm idle at target idle RPM. Happy tuning.
@HeadFlowInc2 жыл бұрын
He should have picked a tune from the tune files as a base tune. Simple then let it learn from there. Well crap that Camshaft must be huge with a really low manifold vacuum at idle. Good work guys that was a challenge!
@BDauto862 жыл бұрын
Yep exactly what I would do. I bet that aftermarket tb needs the IAC passages ported and the inlet before and after throttle blade opened up or like you said it's just an aggressive cam profile and tricky.
@stevenayala23242 жыл бұрын
thats bad ass yall went and saved the day so he can ride lol good looking out Rob and Mike
@yahawashitheserpentofbrass21402 жыл бұрын
You have to get that IAC count down to 2 to 10% at above 160 degrees. Tune the throttle screw up or down depending on IAC count then do an auto tps reset. U have to keep doing it until the IAC count is between 2-10%..
@njracing43972 жыл бұрын
I had a very similar issue with a turbo 6.0 . IAC always 100% and wouldn’t idle. I tried another IAC then another map sensor. I was going to try and drill TB because at 1500 rpm holding blades open it seemed fine. I went back through the wizard and realized I used cam duration at 007 lift since it was first duration number on cam card. When I switched to duration at 050 lift truck idles great and went right into learn mode.
@fuzzymoto8962 жыл бұрын
So Rob and Mike are kinda like Batman and Robin in a Tuning emergency? To the Carb cave Batman.
@robertironside31662 жыл бұрын
Looks clean... very clean. Stock regulator a problem if it doesn't respond to the new kit? Good point... I have no idea.. can you tell? lol
@michaeldavis17182 жыл бұрын
Mike, please learn more about Holley. I love your guys videos and have a Holley Terminator X max myself and love to learn from you guys!!
@brendenkesterson92002 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the same issue i had check your sensors for .5 volts. My fuel pressure sensor was my problem. As soon as I unplugged it it fired right up and no longer had problems
@bobg46542 жыл бұрын
Before you commit to drilling it pull a vacuum line and see what it does with more air.
@rpturbo2 жыл бұрын
Mike you did a good job with no Holley experience. As you seen, it's pretty easy to use. If you can use HPT, Holley is way, way easier, and not only more intuitive software wise, but controls better. If you transfer the learn to base, it is more accurate than transferring the difference in fueling in HPT.
@jord93082 жыл бұрын
Watch Joe Simpson’s vids- he has a tuning class for Holley starting soon
@tommys29792 жыл бұрын
Holley has a good 18 minute video about getting them going on ls motors
@nicksimeone89332 жыл бұрын
You have to do a TPS relearn every time you adjust the throttle body
@jasonhastings55382 жыл бұрын
Those things will drive you crazy!!!!
@ritchardposterior262 Жыл бұрын
next time, install the set screw in the throttlebody lol. that way you can set idle till IAC is at 10% or less
@lilpickleracing2 жыл бұрын
sick lil pickle shirt
@jasonhastings55382 жыл бұрын
Hey guys take a road trip to Southeren TENN!!!!😁😁😁
@Kelvinbellrose2 ай бұрын
I was told a bigger cam needs more air
@davidreed6070 Жыл бұрын
When you figure that out I'll know what is wrong with mine, same thing.
@brianmay84452 жыл бұрын
You guys did great. Im however a full year after terminator install and went through 1000$ in dyno tuners and still cant get my truck to move more than 2 feet without falling on its face and stalling out
@BDauto862 жыл бұрын
That really sucks man. Where you located?
@brianmay84452 жыл бұрын
@@BDauto86 fostoria, Ohio
@brianmay84452 жыл бұрын
@@BDauto86 the tuners i used locally claimed to be good with HP tuners but both never used holley before and both had my truck months claiming to be getting it dialed in with no success and kept my money claiming it as labor fees. I switched from my stock harness and ecu and went to the terminator x max for the self learning capabilities and not being a slave to tuners any longer but not knowing its really not that simple. My truck isnt even anything crazy, its a 99 gmc sierra slammed with a cammed 4.8/4l60e with a 3200 stahl, 48lb holley injectors, 102mm tb, sheet metal intake, headers and fuel cell with a inline pump
@BDauto862 жыл бұрын
@@brianmay8445 majority of my tuning is HPtuners as well, each platform is setup alil different but it's all similar strategy. Holley has a nice setup but ppl push that self learn and your correct it's not that simple. Even at that, it's still a base tune and needs correction. Sounds like a fairly common/basic setup, I hate to hear you've spent good money and havent got the results your looking for. I was just curious how far away you are cuz I'd be willing to look at it for you but that's pretty far off from central PA. Hopefully you get it dialed in and working well.
@mcfero12 жыл бұрын
Wow that sucks. My terminator is has been going great for 2 years now. First was stock now cam and springs. Next up is turbo. No professional tuning just watching joe Simpson videos on KZbin as well as sloppy mechanics has a good homey n/a tuning video out. I wouldn’t take my car to a tuner who has not used Holley.
@1Kile12 жыл бұрын
More power to you guys. As someone who tunes holley, this video is so cringe to me. You did well to troubleshoot though not knowing the software.
@jasonhastings55382 жыл бұрын
Time to spend some 💰💰💰 and buy the holley stuff!!!
@allencobbs40472 жыл бұрын
Put those hood struts on my s10. Found them on eBay work really good
@yoosrid2 жыл бұрын
that was cool
@jalvp11952 жыл бұрын
s10 hoods fold in half really easy. be super careful with those struts
@SOLDOZER2 жыл бұрын
They only fold if you're a clueless millenial.
@SOLDOZER2 жыл бұрын
Reason 8,975,647 for a carb. All these TBI guys sit in the garage with laptops scratching their heads.
@sticc2itgarage6722 жыл бұрын
Read the instructions did you DO TPS AUTOSET?
@billwilliams2242 Жыл бұрын
So he has it set up speed density
@nocturnalspecialties642 Жыл бұрын
On a stock throttle body, take the idle screw out and thread it in from the top. Gives you more range of adjustment and easier to adjust. Also start out with more airflow than you think you'll need. Its easier to work to down than up. That way you dont have to do a TPS autoset every time only till you're done.
@jord93082 жыл бұрын
The throttle needs to be cracked to just below desired rpm, then do tps reset - that way IAC doesn’t have to work as hard
@SPPTVarmy2 жыл бұрын
That was the thing, we maxxed out the throttle adjustment screw, did a tps re learn, and it still wasn't enough, behaved the same basically. The Shithorse is DBC and works without a hole. But this S10 has big ass ported heads, 240+ duration cam. We could have just pulled the IAC and saw if it ran like that. Likely the 2 IAC's we tried are faulty. I found several guides on setting them up in the Holley software and none of the settings suggested made a change.
@terrypickette1182 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@KarKamp2 жыл бұрын
Holley EFI has the ability to change the option for cam and tps relearn.. You guys should've watched some more videos lol get ya some more learning HOLLEY efi is far easier than HP tuners
@richardhahn80832 жыл бұрын
Possibly setup wrong injector calibration
@terrypickette1182 жыл бұрын
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@jdubcbr6002 жыл бұрын
That things gonna fukn rip!
@youalreadyknowwhoitis64882 жыл бұрын
Hello, Does anyone know the paint code or the name of the color? It looks great.
@SPPTVarmy2 жыл бұрын
I will ask him.
@youalreadyknowwhoitis64882 жыл бұрын
@@SPPTVarmy Thank you.
@youalreadyknowwhoitis64882 жыл бұрын
@@SPPTVarmy Hey, have you heard back from him regarding the paint code/color? Also, can you make a video about the truck? thanks
@adamspencer36202 жыл бұрын
Chineseium throttle body ?
@kyleneedham61062 жыл бұрын
Drilling the hole is just a result of a chinesium throttle body.
@SPPTVarmy2 жыл бұрын
Stock throttle bodies are made in china?
@BubbaB43 Жыл бұрын
@@throttlebottle5906 a lot of assuming going on to bash on some dude's truck for what reason? It just makes you look like another keyboard warrior.
@chrismeyers5309 Жыл бұрын
It wasn’t reading the RPM
@williamcordle2 жыл бұрын
Drilling a hole is a fix for poor tune I have a 5.3 with a BTR stg4 truck cam and never drilled any holes BUT I’m DBW
@SPPTVarmy2 жыл бұрын
Ya,we havent had to do it on any other builds but thought we would give it a try.
@williamcordle2 жыл бұрын
@@SPPTVarmy definitely needs more iac tuning but at least you got to play with the Holley Terminator system
@tommieleedahawkotb17172 жыл бұрын
Do you have any tips for me I have a 5.3 with DBW and mines is doing the same thing as this video showing
@nocturnalspecialties642 Жыл бұрын
DBW won't need a hole drilled into it. If it doesn't run you need to open the blade more in the tune.
@brianhaw93982 жыл бұрын
Good save guys,lots of keyboard warriors in the comments. You didn't show every thing you did!
@clint.garage.60922 жыл бұрын
Do not drill that hole….every time you adjust your idle screw you need to do a tps reset, dammit. How good is Holley morons do everything wrong truck still runs… 🤣😂😅 just jokes guys don’t shoot me.
@SPPTVarmy2 жыл бұрын
We did do a tps reset after adjusting idle
@Avalanche2 Жыл бұрын
99% of the initial start issues w/ term X are the MAP, even when it works nobody gets it right for some reason. I knew it before I even clicked on the video. Also, throw those chinese throttle bodies in the garbage, they are 100% junk and a waste of money. Not using the wizard base tunes is a mistake.