Will Mercedes have the 'Rocket Engine' in 2022?

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So what was that Rocket Engine about last year? After Brazil, Merc seemed to just be able to produce WAY more power - meaning Lewis could start LITERALLY AT THE BACK in the sprint race and still win the race on Sunday.
So how did they do it? And will they be able to do the same thing in 2022?
We’ve got Scarbs back to help explain - let's go!
Right, so back in Brazil we first saw this ‘Rocket Engine’ or as Mercedes called it - the Spicy Engine.
They seemed to have an OUTRAGEOUS power advantage on the rest of the field, with Hamilton reeling in cars from SECONDS back on that long-ish back straight.
And yet - the teams were not allowed to change anything about that engine. So was it a secret upgrade? Or did they just find some extra power?
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[@ThatCyberpunkGuy]

Red bull

[@F1Jackman]

If the regulations and budget caps do not leave much for car development the quickest cars will probably be decided by their engine manufacturer.

[@captainrogerdodger144]

They might have the rocket engine but i think ferrari will catch them eventually, not red bull cuz they will have a crap engine

[@skwisgaarskwigelf331]

I believe in EL PLAN

[@timoooo7320]

Impossible to tell with each major regulation change, but it's very possible that it's Mercedes

[@freeski919]

Mercedes had essentially created the engine undercut. It's a strategy that plays out over races, instead of tyre undercuts which play out over laps.

[@lambro9973]

Like do they need strategy if we can call safety car and then restart race for one lap?

[@yarkobroda]

This. I was thinking the same thing but didn't know what to call it. Everyone was talking about Mercedes "reliability issues" last season. It was on purpose so they could run them harder.

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[@syntheovaldy5173]

It's clear now that they were using Bottas as the test subject for the engine, hence all the ICE replacements

[@sethje]

The "story" is that Mercedes tried several potential devastating engine settings on Bottas. It cost him several extra engines before they found the setting maxing out the power for two or three races. In fact they overclocked the enige for a very long time, just as the quali settings from 2019 and before. The big problem is the penaltys tried to reduce the number of engines .But changing only the ICE the penalty is not a big problem.

[@cyclopszn8895]

Was just thinking of this. Bottas used like 5 or 6 engines and we had the feeling they were testing and trying different modes pushing to find the limits

[@alunesh12345]

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[@BryanSteacy]

That's why I don't really think Hamiltons charge through the pack in Brazil is as heroic as people think it is. He had a new engine that was turned up as far as they could thanks to Bottas' season being sacrificed so he could be used as a testbed and he was competing against most people that were still on their third engine.

[@jeromenido365]

@@BryanSteacy truth

[@karthikpenumetch9300]

@@BryanSteacy Still it was a really calculated drive in the sprint and race

[@f1matt]

Great to see Scarbs involved with this channel.

[@Gizfreek]

He's a great addition, his content on twitter or F1TV is amazing.

[@amaccama3267]

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[@DuckFolk]

I learn so much from him. He is great at simplifying technical information.

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@DuckFolk yes.

[@prakesh2904]

They found the extra power in some of Toto's diagrams

[@SamuelSantos_]

So the Mercedes engineers read Toto’s emails but Masi didn’t 😝

[@willlasdf123]

It was in one of the emails he sent. Did you get it Michael?

[@Leonardo-vj3hm]

in the email

[@jrmcpuff-n-stuff7524]

Ya Toto davinci he's a genius just ask him he'll tell you

[@aad9108]

Yes more turbo pressure 😁

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[@AdityaSingh-rp4mt]

That's useful Thanks

[@wahedeenhoorn6444]

great advice

[@glyph241]

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[@Knightsthatsaynih]

Well I think Mercedes might want to plan running more than 3 engines anyway from the start of the season given their power advantage. "IF" overtaking does get easier, as expected, then a 5 place grid penalty for changing just the ICE can be recovered in the first 5 laps of the race.

[@yukierose9225]

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[@Jakaj99]

@@alunesh12345 wtf, who do you talking to? Lol

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

@@rodrigofonseca1160 ye hope 2024 engine rule change it up and make them not have such a advantage

[@ediltonspencer6974]

This guy Craig should have his own KZbin channel and it would be a huge success. He's so knowledgeable about F1.

[@robertkaspersen2814]

He's one of the hosts on f1tv tech talk.

[@littlebendixon93]

He does a lot of technical analysis on Peter Windsor's channel, well worth a watch

[@losness24]

He’s on F1TV tech talk with Sam Collins most weeks during the season. Gotta have that subscription though. Sometimes you have to suffer Will Buxton or Ted

[@alunesh12345]

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[@tristangagnon7348]

I'm glad that this channel have started bringing Craig Scarborough in. I really like the driving content that Driver61 makes but I found some of the less driving related videos were lacking on the technical side with some misconceptions being repeated. Bringing Craig Scarborough in really ups the content that the Driver61 chanel brings.

[@dv2735]

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[@KevinPassino]

Honestly, the grid penalties are so light, if I'm Merc or RB, build 8-10 engines and just plan on 2-3 races out of each engine. Lewis and Max can easily go from 6-8 to a podium finish if their engines are at 100% power while others are 6 races deep on an engine. Cost caps don't apply to engines and it's not like either team has to worry about money constraints in that case.

[@yasirahmadX]

Grid penalties are risky cause , in starting laps you basically have faster car behind slower cars and it would only take front wing damage or a slow puncture to go from 5 place grid penalty to back of the field with 20sec gap after wing change

[@jame8618]

it sucks thats how people see grid penalties today. It goes to show how strong merc and rbr are compared to this rest of the field. Serving a 5 place grid pen or even 3 place in 2012 was a devastating blow

[@cmcg6464]

Yeah theyre going to have to change that rule soon before teams make a joke out of it

[@basberend]

@@cmcg6464 mercedes already did make a joke out of it... very strange that the more unit were been put in the lower the penalty became... very very strange. should have been more severe every time. and an extra points penalty in the teams and drivers championship

[@muhmonsta]

@@cmcg6464 I mean how more jokey can it be ? 25 Grid Place Penalty still finishing First ! Just Put Every 3 Races a new Engine in First Place, First Place, First Place then 25Grid Penalty First Place, First Place, First Place Whats the Down Side ?

[@timoooo7320]

It seems they dialed it up when it didn't need to last 7 races, but also it seems that they were having some reliability concerns at first and then by Brazil they said they figured out the reliability issue and are not concerned anymore, so I think that also allowed them to dial it up more, so I think this will carry over to 2022

[@tonho_PT]

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[@Alex-md6bu]

Bear in mind that the turned up engine no longer needed to last 7 races so could be run higher, think of it like undercut with tyres, by doing an extra pitstop it gives you an extra set of fresh tyres to come back with.... It's exactly the same with the p.u mercades "rocket engine" that's brand new may seem very good against a Honda that's already done 4 or 5 races, but how does it compare to a p.u that is also brand new and also needs to do the same number of races? Is it actually so much better? I highly doubt it

[@vinnie8792]

i mean they made it clear, the upgrades they brought werent performance, but that they better understood how to use it (so reliability, how they could turn it up etc) also... partly why bottass took 4 million engines over 5 races. test shit out

[@tonho_PT]

@@Alex-md6bu we just need to wait now. I hope that Mercedes wont be dominant as it was on other seasons. Btw Im not a Mercedes fan i still hope that they have a really good car 👍

[@Alex-md6bu]

@@tonho_PT dominant? I'm sorry we're they dominant last year? You know the one where max led more laps than the rest of the field combined? According to Adrian Newey red bull had the better package for the majority of the year, I trust his assessment of car performance beyond pretty much anyone else..... Perez should apologize to the red bull for not getting the constructer's wrapped up for the team last year

[@Leviathan3219]

Nice explanation: "Teams are only allowed to run three engines per year" Also him: "Seven engines times three, that's your 21 races, quick math" (1:09)

[@yukierose9225]

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[@zzgaming29]

You know what he meant mate lol

[@janklas7079]

They are allowed to run three engines. Any extra engines they will be penalized for. Which they were.

[@alunesh12345]

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[@manrajchinjar7352]

Ahaha good catch

[@SAITHCO]

heres a theory. the botas power unit swiching was a binning process to find the most reliable engine for lewis

[@czarpotchok]

Finally someone said it

[@Awlstarr_2]

No wonder Bottas was pissed and let Max by, can’t blame him

[@joshuagabrielcatindig7607]

They made Bottas the test mule... Typical of a German overlord.

[@ScottPankhurst]

basically a way of dodging the testing regulations by "testing" during racing.

[@sentientspaghetti1898]

@@Awlstarr_2 or you know....he just cant defend for shit...

[@menecross]

I thought the limitation of 3 engines is done for sustainability reasons. I guess that is a joke when you need to win the championship. Why is that rule still in effect? Either increase the penalities or take it out. Mercedes user 6 engines while the other teams used 3 (4 in the case of the ones that were broken in crashes).

[@SvenVoelk]

Basically my thought as well. Def not take the penalties out, but make the penalties so severe that deliberate "overclocking" of the engine with the idea to get less life out of them and swap more engines in over the season becomes absolutely unattractive. The going system that penalties for an engine swap become less severe the more engines you swap is absurd. First one over the limit should already set you back (the 10 positions seem ok), afterwards it should be automatic end of the grid for the next one and maybe even every additional one with a time penalty added to that as well!? Like you get on your third extra engine - you start end of the grid and automatically get a 10 (or more) second time penalty!? Increasing from that point on... Using added engines needs to be so prohibitive that the idea comes not even to mind. As it is, it is an invitation to do so - if you have a strong power unit. Alternatively hit the teams with a massive financial fine for each additional engine (no peanuts, sth like $1 to 5 million from the 5th engine on, for example).

[@lucianoalves1878]

If they don't patch the 5 place grid penalty after the fourth engine, I can see some teams abusing this for sure. They need to increase or keep at 10 for every engine after the maximum allowed

[@Hark3n]

I think moving the penalty to after the race might be better, but more controversial. We've seen with Mercedes that even a 10 place grid penalty is essentially useless when you can run your engine at 110%.

[@blgn3502]

Not every team can abuse it. Its not cheap lol

[@77Raffi77]

@@blgn3502 That's the point though. It gives the richest teams a massive advantage, which is precisely what they're trying to prevent with the cost cap

[@douwe1995]

I wanted to comment exactly the same. In some sense, Mercedes actually got rewarded by abusing the excisting rules. Where Red Bull actually tried to manage the 3 engines they were allowed to have. In my opinion, if you exceed the maximum engine amount you just get 10 place grid penalty per engine.

[@valkeitos]

Yeah, the only reason it exists because of honda but since there is no longer a need to have the rule, it can be done away with

[@manicdan481]

I still dont understand how the cost caps affect the teams yet. It feels like they have unlimited money to just buy new engines as needed.

[@trout5434]

Afaik engine replacment and repair is not included in the budget cap

[@brendancskinner]

Chain Bear's video on the matter should help you out if you want more info. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3zaaJyvpbNngJo

[@ehrlichgesagt863]

I think they have more risk of failure because of say smaller mistakes in them and they can run a full race on push because engine would just overhead and lose all the power advantage

[@userbosco]

The 21 Mercedes made it look like every other car had dropped an anchor. It was crazy to watch!

[@ManOfPillowDoom]

The 2021 redbull was apparently faster according to Google at least...

[@nestroit5010]

@Ryan Lane so thats why merc dominated in portugal and barcelona, literally within the first 6 races. yeah... sure. rbr was "wayyyyy quicker", little kiddo.

[@alanjm1234]

@@ManOfPillowDoom according to Adrian Newey also. But what would he know?

[@JudoMoniz]

@@nestroit5010 he didn't say wayyy quicker did he now

[@adz933]

@@nestroit5010 even Adrian is lying then as he said it was faster and the start also, but your source of dude trust me is probably more reliable right 🙈😂😂

[@Bahamuttiamat]

Fun fact, Mercedes engine has always had a higher performance ceiling at the cost of reliability. The banned engine modes of 2020 adversely affected them as they were forced to run similar modes in both quali and the race. In the past they'd use strat 2 (party mode) for quali, then switch to strat 5 for the race. Operating in lower (ICE) mode reduced the engines duty cycle, extending it's useable life. However, the redbull challenged meant that wasn't possible. The engine swaps weren't primarily for performance but reliability. Hamilton's 2nd PU prematurely died in zandvoort. As did bottas' (big end bearing failure). Also worth noting Hamilton ran the turkey engine in Qatar, where he enjoyed the largest dry weather quali advantage of the entire season. Meaning, mercedes found a setup break through for the final races. Most likely an increased rake, allowing more rear downforce.

[@roastingminer6919]

Yh I always think just how far ahead merc would still be if engine modes were allowed

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Could it be the damping.. maybe that's what acts as a "pseudo/quasi-actuating suspension.." I highly doubt they'd have messed with the rake too much with a longer wheel base.. that would be how you end up with SF90 like slingshot oversteer.. perhaps idk. What I'd like to know is how the floor and wing developed from mid to end of season, I mean supposedly they did nothing, but if they were able to change the design of the rear then maybe that's how they managed to get extra performance.

[@robh9577]

The engine mode ban was related to burning engine oil for power during Q3 and high pressure race scenarios. A cap was put on oil burning (after Ferrari's "leaky" intercooler), but merc was still using it and the FIA wanted it stopped.

[@roastingminer6919]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks no they said they did bring the last upgrade at Silverstone and it was near then or a few races after that one of the sky pads picked up on it but nobody was talking about it till Brazil, when the new engine also came in

[@janklas7079]

The mercedes car has also always been the better car. Red Bull NEVER had the better car. They had an engine which performed similar to the downtuned mercedes and the better driver.

[@anthonfuisz8457]

They need to make each additional engine have exponentially larger penalties

[@leo1fun]

that's a bit of a problem, because the current engine limit is too low and almost everyone is guaranteed to have a penalty at some point. If they are too much worse, what you'll see is engines running very low power modes...

[@kirstenalexander7339]

No, if anything the penalties either need to be reduced or engine amounts increased, most engines are useless after the 6th race with it and 18-21 races means atleast 1 penalty is guaranteed whether it's the result of a crash or wear and tear

[@layoutman69]

They need to do something. The Mercedes was already considerably more powerful power unit than the rest.

[@karl8805]

@@kirstenalexander7339 the honda engine phenominal...did vandvoort to the finale with minimum power drop.... and max only had to take that because of silverstone..makes maxs season even better imo

[@mscbijles1256]

Guys (here in the replies to original post), why do you think the rules are too strict already? There’s both a budget reason and a sustainability reason for limiting the number of engines. If a manufacturer can’t handle that, they should just work harder on that part. Teams will always look for the limit of performance so no matter how many engines you allow, they will always think it’s at least one too few for them.

[@blonded_458]

that merc livery in the thumbnail is amazing

[@erikapple8955]

Mercedes made a mockery of the rules by bringing in so many CE's

[@leebutler9470]

Like red bull didnt by using duck tape on their rear wings, or michael masi giving the race win to Verstappen at yas marina.

[@richhughes7450]

@@leebutler9470 exactly. Complete and utter farce. Ridiculous pathetic mad. A race where the best driver lost due to being stitched up.

[@lukewood2662]

Makes me appreciate a bit more that Max's Jeddah lap(before he binned it), that would've been the season highlight, a much faster lap than a much faster car, almost crashing in a lot of corners just to get that time.

[@Sticktothemodels]

More powerful engine doesn’t equate to a faster car. RB had much more downforce and less drag hence their car was *actually* faster. Max went flat through sector two every time Lmao.

[@t.d6379]

@@Sticktothemodels much more downforce and less drag? Lol wow.

[@naathnaath6377]

@@Sticktothemodels Are you serious... Did you read this BS somewhere

[@t.d6379]

Luke, Max's first two sectors were astronomically fast but Lewis was a lot faster in Sector 3. Pole position would have been decided by 1/2 tenths at most if you look at the data - I think Max would have been only 1 and a half tenths faster after S3.

[@TheHadjiro]

@@Sticktothemodels more downforce and less drag???? Unless you're using ground effect for increased downforce, then more downforce means more drag no?

[@olivialambert4124]

It seems like everything the FIA does backfires. Drivers have only a limited number of overtakes based around the extreme engine limits. That's due to the engines being so expensive that teams can only afford a few. That's due to the ridiculous engine specifications they refuse to fix, which caused a mass exodus of engine manufacturers and left every single season stale since their introduction (with the exception of last year). They seem to think that they can prescribe everything, and anything which doesn't work simply needs more rules. As excited as I am for next year given a lot of their fixes mirror my suggestions before even 2017, part of me is worried given the FIA's history on changes over the past decade.

[@florisbackx1744]

That is generally what happens when you start regulating stuff. The more fences you put up the more valuable it is to be the one to get on the other side of the fence. Without there regulations there would be a much more gradual curve in performance between teams. It's like speedrunning a computergame, look for hacks and shortcuts instead of just good engineering.

[@SvenVoelk]

In a way, yes. But don't forget, that applies to all teams. So, the average power-loss of the engines causes no advantage to any team, as long as you don't start smart ass BS like Mercedes. Ideas how to prevent it I voiced a couple times further up.

[@olivialambert4124]

@@SvenVoelk Thats why I used other examples. It applies to all teams equally that they're paying ridiculous amounts of money for each engine too, but teams like Williams are feeling it a lot more than teams like Ferrari. It applies all engine manufacturers that they don't want to start hiring jet engine specific personnel and learn that engineering, but the very few remaining have to work within those rules (and be forced to sell engines to teams they don't want to touch equally). All of these problems were started by poor FIA decisions, and all of them have been remedied by poor FIA decisions which almost always backfire and need more rules to cover that. Most of them could be very easily fixed by simply accepting that they failed and stop pushing on what didn't work. As an aside, we're already seeing cost caps starting to falter before they've even started. Teams are now making massive amounts of money now they can't spend it. Now the grid is looking to expand far beyond what was hoped and the FIA is turning them down. So teams are being bought away from groups who care about the racing towards groups who simply have stacks of money as its the only way to get this money making entity. Lets see where this goes, maybe they will ban innovation to appeal to the financials and turn it into the new LMP.

[@gustavo_paganelli]

Aged like milk

[@fgroen1225]

The penalties for engine swaps are way too light. Using more than 3 engines per season should actually cost championship points, progressive with the number of engines. So e.g. the 4th engine costs 5 points, engine #5 costs 10 points, #6 20 points and so on.

[@nesovsky1474]

Good idea

[@KevinPassino]

I agree that they need to be escalating penalties, regardless of what they are, because the current penalties do not in any way deter a team from blowing through 8-10 engines in a year if they really wanted to. Lewis used, what, six? (he swapped back to an old engine after Brazil then brought the spicy engine back for the last race if I remember)

[@arroe8386]

The problem is that this also heavily punishes drivers that have to change it through no fault of their own and that 5 points have a completely different significance to a Merc and a Williams driver.

[@hanskuijsten2380]

Unless the change is forced by any damage beyond your control.

[@WRCWRX]

Great idea.

[@Noircogi]

I thought these engines were almost completely performance limited by the fuel flow and total fuel restrictions. I understand how this could help in qualification, but it shouldn't do much in a full race if that's the case.

[@markdenyer8072]

They are but the teams will turn that power down in order to make an engine last. So while the other teams were turning their engines down to last longer, Mercedes were still running theirs at full power.

[@tobywonkinoby8916]

You can add boost and not use anymore fuel. The engine will run lean, but it will have more power.

[@Peanutdenver]

@@tobywonkinoby8916 This is not how it works my friend. More boost means more air and with more air you need more fuel... that's where hp/tq increases come from by jamming more air and fuel into the engine along with several other factors.

[@tobywonkinoby8916]

@@Peanutdenver forcing more air = more oxygen. You can run more boost without altering fuel flow tables. Just adjust timing. Like I said, the engine will run lean. Lean means more air in the air/fuel mixture. So yes, you can add more air without adding fuel.

[@jackwilson7082]

@@Peanutdenver running leaner will generally give you more power, but burns a lot hotter and ruins engine

[@poropuri]

if they're willing to take even more engine penalties than they took in 21, maybe, the FIA should make the penalties for taking engines out of the allowance more severe instead of making them leaner the more engines you take.

[@Panzerfury18]

This.

[@Euclides287]

But those soft penalties were introduced to help Honda after McLaren and then *Red Bull* and *Toro Rosso* kept being sent to the *back of the grid* for engine changes because Honda wasn't anywhere near as reliable as it is now.

[@skynet0912]

It kinda makes me wish for a sort of "penalty distance" system, where you can end up not only at the back of the grid, but a set amount of meters BEHIND the final grid slot! Let's say you have to use an entire new power unit and gear box beyond the allowed, and the power unit results in 200m of penalty, and the gearbox 100m, that would mean that you start 300m behind the entire field! Hell, you could even make it so harsh that drivers, teams or even both could lose points in the championship for going above the allowed engines. That might be severe, and to a degree unfair depending on who was to blame in a team for losing an engine, but penalties SHOULD be severe enough to ward off breaking a rule intentionally and still profit from it...

[@michihoffi69]

The rule was made for honda, Mercedes just found a way to exploit it. For me this is part of F1. Find ways to get an Advantage while not breaking any rule. Mercedes took a risk and it secured them nearly both titles.

[@mirkof2068]

The easy fix in the rule book would be if you maximal allowed to use 6 engines a year 3 are the ones that are normal used the other 3 are with a pitlane start included so what Mercedes was doing with bottas would never happened again and if a 7 engine is needed it will be a pitlane start and a 10 sec penalty so teams would think twice about changing the engine to get a advantage

[@houseofzom]

Great video as always. Good insight.

[@Addyboy0190]

The spicy engine was a culmination of running a fresh new engine at a higher output and everyone else using engines nearing the end of their life cycle since Brazil is near the end of the season

[@veYda25]

if you start last and you're so much faster than everyone that you're leading by lap 20, why not have 8 engines per year and skip qualifying every weekend... The FIA should look into regulating these obvious tricks

[@alunesh12345]

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[@m.n152]

Yes, quali also takes life from the engine, by skipping quali and doing the work on race day they can even safe engines. I do think this can only apply to the best drivers though, not all of them have the capability to overtake consistently

[@andremonteiro1643]

Craig is such a damn pro, I love him. Great video!

[@jnto2603]

Amazing collab! Looking forward to seeing Scarbs in more vids

[@gerbengroenhof8398]

Haas could surely been great from the get go. The knowledge of Dallare on ground effect is huge.

[@manuelmanterola7070]

what?

[@alunesh12345]

@@manuelmanterola7070 Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. GOD loves you soo much unconditionally.🤩❤

[@darcos7535]

You smoking something?

[@toto-wolff]

Haas will beat Mercedes.

[@ahl.56]

@@alunesh12345 god doesn’t exist lol

[@asyncronic7035]

Are the Mercedes AMG F1 Team's engines exactly the same as the engines that merc delivers to their customer teams? And is developing the power unit/ purchasing it from a manufacturer restricted by the cost cap

[@jknightsimracing4354]

I think they're supposed to give the exact same engines to the customer teams, not sure if it's required though.

[@layoutman69]

I think the factory teams have always had the latest and greatest over the costumer teams.

[@GowthamV07]

NOPE. It takes like 2 races more to deliver the updated engine to customers due to availability and logistics issue.

[@pabloquijadasalazar7507]

Now I understand what they mean over the radio when they talk about switching modes or some synonyms of modes.

[@Will-kt5jk]

Rye "spicy" reminded me a bit of the stories of Jos the Boss (with the Karting team he was running) buying 10 engines, finding the best on dynos, then testing part combinations from the best in a new build to bet the best bits & best output from all 10 in a single unit, then get that homologated & sealed/tagged. All parts are in theory the same & within tolerances allowed in the regs, but with anything you get minor differences adding up. You often randomly get 1 engine that puts out more power, so looking for those ‘special’ units & putting all the best parts together makes a lot of sense. If those karting stories are true, it’s half awesome engineering approach/show the determination Jos has, and half sad that it reduces the chances of those who can’t afford 10 engines. I’m assuming the top teams already do that kind of thing for their units, but there’s always a chance they stumbled on a peach of an engine through random differences in tolerances, along side the fact they were just running the thing harder for the limited number of races.

[@ryanknapp4964]

This video didn’t age well

[@yuvrajt]

This actually makes me respect the Honda Engine more.

[@nutellabrah6718]

Excellent window into the inner logic for racers; Keep taping this guy for common information from the insiders, cool video today.

[@tristanpage6805]

Great video. Bonkers season ahead!

[@GertvandenBerg]

My guess was that they were basically just running the old quali "party mode" for the entire race... (AFAIK the regs require the same mode to be used from qualifying though the race....)

[@yukierose9225]

*Only for fans over 18 years old* LOVEME.UNO/EVELY mañas no se la Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy . Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım'' Erinder: ''Sezimdüü'' Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak'' Dene: ''Muzdak'' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾 Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente 💗❤️💌💘💟

[@ffvgaming3735]

I can't remember where i read it but there was a breakdown of how exactly they remapped their engine slightly to gain a few extra bhp

[@TMJ32]

@@ffvgaming3735 the guy chopped through the field like everyone else was driving Honda Civics. It wasn't a "few bhp".

[@ffvgaming3735]

@@TMJ32 data released said it was 14bhp increase for 1044 bhp is what I'm basing it on.

[@streuthmonkey1]

The amount of engines available was reduced to cut costs. However Mercedes have got around this rule by simply turning their engine up and taking the 10, or later 5, place penalties as an easily absorbable hit. This is not within the spirit of the rules and is dishonourable at best.

[@DailyShit.]

How can you call anything in F1 „dishonorable“ ? Half the sport is the teams looking for grey areas in the rules.

[@neelabhagrawal7505]

i feel like there's more to this story. bottas in his beyond the grid episode said that the two cars were different and that he couldn't discuss the differences and he certainly took a lot of penalties, but his car's pace wasn't anything crazy when compared to lewis

[@SvenVoelk]

I think more often than not last season Bottas (and his car) got used to run experiments for the next setup/ improvement for both. After all LH is their 'Superstar' that delivers and needed to win. VB was in a comfy enough situation to still support the constructors championship. But for the drivers championship they needed max results every race to keep up/ stay equal to RB and MV. Can't really blame Mercedes there!

[@BLX187]

Good video. This channel is what’s been keeping me interested in F1

[@SRacingUpTune]

It feels Mercedes was sandbagging for years when it came to the power unit

[@basedkek4427]

In race? Nope. But in quali, they used to implement the party mode, which makes the engine insanely fast.

[@ole7762]

I still think they should look at the engine penalty system, I don't think it should be the case that a new dialed up engine is so quick you can easily recover the grid drop and more! Of course starting from the back wasn't even enough in Brasil haha

[@yukierose9225]

*Only for fans over 18 years old* LOCALDATE.MONSTER/EVELY mañas no se la Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy . Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım'' Erinder: ''Sezimdüü'' Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak'' Dene: ''Muzdak'' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾 Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente 💗❤️💌💘💟

[@KirbyCharkra]

Yeah they must review this. While I find the strategy interesting, it just goes against sustainability targets and fairness to other teams who aren't manufacturers. Further, I don't understand how Mercedes could go through so many engines and not have cost cap issues.

[@michihoffi69]

@@KirbyCharkra look at honda a few years ago and you know why the rules are this way.

[@harrisric128]

You mean Lewis starting from the back wasn't enough... There are maybe 2 drivers on the grid that could've done what Lewis did in Brasil. Most any other driver would've ended up in the middle of the pack which makes sense

[@Wuppie62]

@@michihoffi69 No excuse for 2021, let alone next seasons.

[@sampathg8709]

Very good content in this channel.. I love watching all these videos.. keep growing..!!

[@Seb87Seb]

Great episode as always! I think that in previous seasons when Merc drivers were allowed to use different engine mappings during the race, it was easier to manage the engine life. They were just temporary changing engine mode to beast mode when necessary and were using life saving mode if were on safe position.

[@SvenVoelk]

It wasn't just 'Merc drivers' allowed or able to do that. They just had so much 'overhead' in engine performance to be able to use it effectively.

[@JSB-IZ-ME]

I think the MERC package for 2022 will be colossal.

[@recipoldinasty]

That would be bored

[@nielsdebakker3283]

As in 1 unit per 2 races. That would be like buying the title. (as they almost did to get the wdc last year, it worked for the mfg title)

[@toto-wolff]

Lets hope so.

[@SvenVoelk]

@@toto-wolff Well, i wish all the best. But seriously (in terms of keeping F1 more exciting) I would wish that a team like Haas or Alpha Romeo pulls a 'stunt' in development to just dominate the season. It would be friggin great... but very unlikely LOL. We shall see - I am really interested how the first half of the season will work out with the new designs etc. for all the teams. The first time in many years I am excited pre-season ;)

[@toto-wolff]

@@SvenVoelk no no Sven, noooo!

[@DERoestorf]

Personally, I would say, if you use 1 more engine than permitted, you loose positions for that race, if you use a 2nd engine above what is permitted, it should last 2 races, and so on and so forth. What last year showed was that the penalty on using extra engine is not severe enough.

[@Glorytoglorzo]

What about a penalty for crashing into others and causing their engines to break? (Bottas hungary)

[@stemartin6671]

What about the extra engine RB had to take due to damage from a crash?

[@stemartin6671]

@@Glorytoglorzo Lewis at Silverstone too

[@davidcumming8567]

@@stemartin6671 i really feel that stuff liike that punishes teams more since its not fault of there own that they have to replace an engine

[@Glorytoglorzo]

@@stemartin6671 Silverstone is more controversial/debatable than Hungary you could say was 100% driver error.

[@vrooom71]

The livery on the thumbnail looks WAY better than the actual livery, in my opinion

[@jerperderp]

Man, am I excited for next year! I loved your comment at the end, about the nerdy engineering stuff. Made me laugh as I totally relate to that.

[@matthijsvanveen]

To be honest I think this is called a loophole. It's what makes F1 interesting and annoying at the same time. Penalties after the fourth engine aren't the same as for the fifth. It shows Merc knew Max was the faster driver so they had to find this loophole to make for an exciting last race..

[@adz933]

or the fact they were chasing red bull at the stat of the season who had the fastest car and wanted to win the constructors maybe lmaoooooooo faster driver cracked me up tho cheers mate aha

[@ivanjoldic826]

Nonsense Dutchman. Red Bull had the quicker car, it was obvious from the start of the season. Newey makes the best cars and for years Mercedes had more power to offset the advantage Red Bull had with the chassis. However, Honda was almost as powerful this year so Mercedes had to go for more power, increase the revs of the engine and suffer more wear and damage to the engine. It could not last more than 3 races.

[@andrewbell7579]

Red Bull was the faster car right up until around Silverstone, then they were pretty similar in pace, until Mercedes put the new engine in, in Brasil. Imo the Honda engine is the faster of the 2 engines, hence why they won quali in Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi, its just when it came to the race Mercedes could run the engine at a higher power mode and Red Bull could not afford to take the risk of their engine, to match the power of the new engine in Mercedes.

[@ivanjoldic826]

@@andrewbell7579 It was pretty circuit dependent even after Silverstone. From what I`ve heard Mercedes had a small engine advantage of about 10 HP but Red Bull had a fantastic chassis and it was more than enough to compensate for 10 HP. The stability of their car in corners was unbelievable. The Verstappen fanboys have no idea that Newey deserves more credit than Max. Newey made Vettel a four time champion. An insult for Prost.

[@AZBCDEE]

Of course the Dutchman would try to play max as the better driver in a car 1 second slower than the Merc 🤣

[@voidzone]

Very big potential problem is that merc can simply instal a new engine every race, Brasil style, and still finish first on most tracks if it's that good, no matter where they start. Can't believe this whole ordeal didn't prompt a rule change on engines yet.

[@jakob.k_design]

It's baffling to me. Everyone with half a brain can see that this tactic was so effective, that if not prohibited Mercedes will just go that way the whole next season. And that would mean no interesting title fight and instead just Mercedes flying past on the straight in every race.

[@ChristopherBuenviaje]

I hope they change the rules about this. This thing Mercedes is doing isn't following the spirit of the rules.

[@Adamgoms]

@@jakob.k_design You're deluded if you think Mercedes are gonna do that. Just because they can doesn't mean they will

[@paddyneill1964]

Great work, thank you for the information. I have a question. A question I’m having a hard time getting anyone to answer. At 10:48 in the video you show an Alpha Romeo in the garage with the computer screens. All I would like to know is… what type of information does the pilot have access to or needs to see at that moment and why? I obviously don’t need specifics, just a general idea. I’ve been watching F1TV pro (I love the pit lane channel) for a couple of years now and can’t seem to get anyone to give an answer. Love your channel, bravo zulu 😎

[@Hamlet-wp2ri]

Thanks for the clarification, cannot wait for 2022 season to start.

[@adamsteinhardt6393]

This brings up a question I have about the AMG One. Sure the engine is detuned and rev limited but it’s still an F1 engine based on a design that was originally intended to have a lifespan of 7 races, right? How reliable will it be in a super car? Will it require a rebuild after a few thousand miles in the track?

[@NoOne-ye5jf]

Just by having it detuned and rev limited should increase the durability a lot, either way cars like the amg one are rarely driven more than a like 20k miles, they mostly end up being garage kept by collectors

[@adamsteinhardt6393]

@@NoOne-ye5jf I just read that it’s maintenance plan includes a total engine overhaul at 30k miles

[@s1n1stersixsgaming8]

7 races, 300km each... 2100km expected on an F1 engine, 30k on a detuned unit... as @NoOne mentioned, most likely will be a weekend play toy for those that can afford it and/or just a collectors eye candy for the stable, pretty sure a rebuild will be cheaper than a factory fresh replace unit, but who knows when there's money to burn, so to speak

[@adamsteinhardt6393]

@@s1n1stersixsgaming8 maybe so, and it’s true they will most all be show pieces instead of being used as intended, but still, it feels a shame that something that well engineered and expensive should be so limited.

[@sakethram6496]

They won't be driving it as hard as an F1 car...surely no way near those limits...So would be fine

[@colz848]

Is this not gonna cause issues over the next few years though? If someone comes out with a engine far better than everyone else, that's it for years then, no catching up allowed, innovation out the window(what f1 has always been about)

[@christophmayer3991]

Well, in that case we will probably see a lot of "reliability updates" from the other engine manufacturers...

[@colz848]

@@christophmayer3991 yeah that's what I was thinking as well, seems like rules for rules sake. All its gonna do is cause a lotta dummy being spat over the next few years, probably more than usual

[@colz848]

@@yugarten8523 tbh I would piss myself laughing if merc and Ferrari came out next year and blew rb away but with newey about I doubt it, just to see Karen Horners face would be worth it🤣

[@colz848]

@@yugarten8523 with more and more it coming down to the aero package think that's where rb have the advantage unfortunately, especially if fia continues down the route of nerfing merc, just need to see how it pans out the first few races

[@purwantiallan5089]

@@yugarten8523 hi yugarten.

[@NarenHarwani]

Excellent explaination Team Driver 61 and Scarbs 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@yukierose9225]

*Only for fans over 18 years old* LOCALDATE.MONSTER/EVELY mañas no se la Megan: "Hotter" Hopi: "Sweeter" Joonie: "Cooler" Yoongi: "Butter Asi con toy y sus mañas no se la lease que escriba bien mamon hay nomas pa ra reirse un rato y no estar triste y estresado.por la vida dura que se vive hoy . Köz karaş: ''Taŋ kaldım'' Erinder: ''Sezimdüü'' Jılmayuu: ''Tattuuraak'' Dene: ''Muzdak'' Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis. Aç köz arstan Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon. Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu gana taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. ''Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt'' dep oylodu arstan. Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu.#垃圾 Son unos de los mejores conciertos , no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla, se que estuvo sorprendente 💗❤️💌💘💟

[@nominaltimes]

@Driver61: Question: Does McLaren and Aston get to fudge with their mapping, and [I know this question is unanswerable] do their lease programs with Merc allow them to take on extra motors? Is there a hard cap on the number they'd get in a calendar year?

[@GowthamV07]

Nope. All mapping is controlled by the engine provider and they have to buy the mapping for a price. So if pay more millions you will get the better mapping.

[@SvenVoelk]

As far as more engines goes - according to the rules a mfg has to supply what the teams pay for. Kinda the short answer. As far as I am aware the engine supplier can't deliberately short a client team. Would be bad business anyway - you do that and you lose a customer next season surely. As for the mapping (I am guessing here, don't take it for granted) I would think each team is free to create their own engine mapping. Easy enough to put your own controllers on any engine to start with. It sure is more complex than a street car - but any engine can be remapped (even if the mfg - like on street cars - tries to lock that).

[@SvenVoelk]

@@GowthamV07 I am not 100% sure - but I doubt that very much. Any engine can be remapped, and in F1, with the plethora of top notch engineering cracks that wouldn't be an issue at all. And seriously, would you spend millions of $$$ to buy engine units you can't modify and trick out on the programming level from any provider? I wouldn't!

[@srfhdx5584]

I also think ham was on elite mode for those last 5 races which heavily contributed hence why bottas wasn’t that much better despite the straight line speed advantage

[@OlaJustin]

Finally someone talks about this. Mercedes basicly found a cheat and NOONE is talking about it. Suddenly we are back to the top teams throwing engines at it because 5 grid place penalties is nothing.

[@550LMS]

Exactly. Remember all the teams complaining early 2000s that ''top teams can use X engines, it's not fair'', and that led to engines forced for whole weekend, then 2 weekends and so on. Now it's a 5 place grid penalty to get a huge power advantage that's made up in a couple of laps. Is the rule the same for all the teams? i.e. can Mclaren buy a Mercedes ICE and it not affect their budget? What if Mercedes and Mclaren are fighting for the title and Mercedes claims they can't supply an ICE that quickly? Monopoly once again.

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

The candle that burns brightest burns shortest. Great job on the engine segment! 👍 😃

[@pjtemplin]

Tell us more about the games that could be played with the engine count penalty regulations. For example, could teams run one engine at Bahrain, a second at Saudi Arabia, a third at Australia, a fourth (with a penalty) at Italy, a fifth (with another penalty) at Miami, and then have five in their pool (with penalties under their belt) for the rest of the season?

[@KevinPassino]

As far as I can tell, yes. Merc actually did that with the spicy engine when they used it for Brazil but didn't need it in Qatar and went back to an old engine. So, at least from what I can tell, they could just run 7 engines 3 races apiece assuming a 21 race season and just take those 5-place penalties after starting at the back of the grid the first time they do it.

[@somat111]

Hmmmm, perhaps there needs to be a bigger penalty for taking a new engine purely as a performance advantage and not for reliability. As it goes against the spirit of the rules in having a certain amount of engines per year?

[@Thunterise]

Yeah, this does seem like a bad thing for the sport in general. The grid penalty was there for a reason: to deter teams from doing this. Apparently, the pentalty's not large enough.

[@somat111]

@@Thunterise Perhaps a back of the grid penalty for the offending race and following race as well if you replace a serviceable engine purely to gain performance?

[@Thunterise]

@@somat111 FIA rightfully avoids ruling on things based on why a team makes a decision, because it's hard to prove.

[@phippsa3]

5 place grid penalty for 4th engine, 10 place for 5th engine, 15 place grid penalty for 6th engine, back of the grid for any further engines.

[@somat111]

@@phippsa3 useless penalty if you're Mercedes and can easily come through the field with a fresh engine

[@matthewstecker8947]

FIA needs to start including constructor's point deductions for engine swaps.

[@terrathaw]

Damn right buddy. It's about time FIA started including point deductions for the car itself. How dare they bring them to the car race 😤

[@lukasralys6096]

Yea sure you have an engine failure, or someone crashes into you and wrecks your engine, not only you dont score points from the dnf, you get an extra penalty in points, good thinking dude

[@psychlops924]

They do that in IndyCar. If you use too many engines you get a grid penalty and either Chevy or Honda loses manufacturer points. I don’t see why F1 wouldn’t do that.

[@matthewstecker8947]

@@terrathaw If the manufacture cant make reliable engines why bother.

[@professorquack]

Best transition to sponsors ever.

[@Srga91]

Great analysis by Scarbs! Mercedes very cleverly exploited (and may continue to exploit) a loophole in the budget cap regulations. But it's still a mystey why Mercedes experienced more wear on their ICE than any other manufacturer even before they started to run them a whole lot more aggressively. However, I disagree with Scarbs on the hardware of the ICE staying pretty much the same. We already know that Renault and in particular Ferrari are going to make big changes to the architecture of their combustion engines and we don't know what Mercedes and RB/Honda might've done in that respect. The adaptation to E10 fuel might not be as simple as it looks at first glance, because Ethanol-based fuel has different cooling characteristics compared to conventional fuel. In an ideal scenario the manufacturers could use the better cooling effect of Ethanol to run the engines at a lower operating temperature and thus regaining a little bit of power. This could also have a positive impact on aerodynamics by reducing the size of cooling intakes required.

[@rockgeluk9746]

It really forced Vers to drive 110% in those last 3 races especially in the last one. If it was any other.competitor, Ham would’ve walked away with it

[@sentientspaghetti1898]

especially in the last one ... i mean he was 14 secs down jeddah on the other hand he drove 110% pulled shady moves but still drove 110%

[@superchacho777]

I think you mean if it wasn't for Masi Also Hamilton used an old engine in Qatar and still easily beat Verstappen

[@georgedooley8247]

@@superchacho777 that track was damn near impossible to overtake on, too much turbulence when following behind a car

[@superchacho777]

@@georgedooley8247 Did you watch the race? Also Max just wasn't able to get close to Lewis during the race

[@weignerleigner3037]

@@superchacho777 more like latifi, massi didn’t really do much I know as a ham fan you’ll never admit that but truth is cars always unlap and Hamilton cheated earlier in the race on top of it so not every decision can benefit Hamilton.

[@alexcarolan8825]

So many Merc engines blew up this year and last in all the customer teams and Bottas but you're gonna telle that they could run the exact same engine in Hamilton's car.... on full blast.... for a "shorter length of time".... and lost zero power.... and had zero issues.... I don't really believe Mercedes.

[@Gebirges]

Nobody does.

[@sharvapotdar3257]

Which other customer had their engines blown? Each customer used 4 engines per car over the entire year. Only person to have used 6 was Bottas. And all the customer teams turned the power down while Merc probably ran near or full power for all races. It makes sense.

[@Mandykiss4500]

@@sharvapotdar3257 It was obvious that the Mercedes Customer Teams had to TURN down the Power to keep Reliability later in the Season, the drop off in Qualifying Pace & Race Pace was OBVIOUS. The Mercedes Engine was CRAP!

[@sharvapotdar3257]

@@Mandykiss4500 and how many penalities did these customers take? 1 per driver. Mercedes took about atleast 2 penalties per driver. And they fully knew why, because they had to TURN the engine up for higher performance in the WCC fight. I don't see your point here, every engine manufacturer has probably done the same.

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

Wrong

[@cesardepena7498]

While this does make the engine penalties pretty light, I don't expect them to change every single rule after a regulation change, maybe overtime to properly make the rules fair, but not instantaneous, unlike how some other people think....

[@gordonwallin2368]

Very interesting!! Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

[@enochs3659]

"for all we know, Haas could be quickest next season"

[@DarthSk8r]

🤣

[@PauluzP]

Lmao ...

[@thegreatafrican3367]

Slight difference between quickest and fastest mate

[@jondonnelly4831]

Very quick race just 1 lap and retire the car.

[@MiniMii550]

There's no cost cap on engines next year and Mercedes came SO VERY CLOSE to snatching BOTH titles from Redbull's hands (and it didn't happen for reason beyond their control) with that strategy of giving Lewis a late season engine change. So what's not to say next year the other teams that can afford to do that would attempt that strategy call as well next year, or maybe even account for that within their budget for the following years after at least until the new engine formula comes in.

[@yoeriw7099]

Well that leaves out RB and Honda, since Honda kept the rules in mind and the engine doesn't drop off nearly as fast over it's lifespan. But it also can't run much harder than it already does. If you ask me it's a joke that you get less of a penalty, the more you go over the allotted number of engines. 4th 10 places per part, 5th part 5 places (some exceptions apply for parts you can only take 2 of, and the gearbox ofc that needs to last only 5 races)

[@DarthSk8r]

i spat my coffee when he said "for all we know, haas might be fastest next year" lmfao! not bloody likely Scott..

[@procatprocat9647]

Massively impressive Engineering from all F1 teams to meet these rules. As a highly experienced professional Engineer, I have massive respect for their achievements!

[@angelizador1]

The massive difference in HP only by mapping and the loss by wearing is the thing that popped up for all teams the thing is nobody was able to detect any irregularity and Mercedes was really carefull to hide that car immediately in Brazil. I still think there is more to it than just mapping a new engine but that's just the sort of things that happens in F1. It was a great season after all.

[@mickgibson370]

When I was motorcrossing with a Yamaha 175 in 1973, I would sit up the motor to run with rings. Then I would brake in the piston with the cylinder before the rings! I was turning out 45 hp at 14,000 rpm. It was twice powerful at stock and at 7000 rpm all hell broke loose! 9 ports, mechanical fuel intake, 8 reed valves, and expansion camber. I ran it in the open class!

[@nordsterngsd]

@mickgibson as one Yamaha man to another I don't know if you were using ART or Wisecos but the former were incredibly durable. F1 uses mid corner speeds to judge which is not accurate. It's the corner exit speed which is more important.. We're dealing with novices in these KZbin comments.

[@jfl1746]

I'm more a 4stroke driver. Just because i started with tuning them from 1977 onwards. But still love the smell of a good 2stroke engine and the explosive power delivery. Was the standard yamaha MX175 equiped with 30-48HP at 14Krpm?

[@mickgibson370]

@@nordsterngsd I ran over a guy 350 hussy. He almost stopped on a corner and I was getting ready to pass him and I climbs up his back and tore up my rear tire as it hit his rear brake cable. Both us were out!

[@ericnicolulis7411]

Thats a lot of hp for a air cooled single. Was that at the wheel, the crank or piston pin?

[@mickgibson370]

@@ericnicolulis7411 That was at the engine out at the primary sprocket.

[@wolfgangjansen3628]

Would be nice if you would explain if this change for performance reasons fits within the regulations. As far as I know, it is allowed to change engine (or parts connected like MGE-H, MGU-K, TC) when this parts are damaged or malfunction. Not because the ICE lacks a few horsepower.

[@jackweta]

what rpm were they running & was it higher on the spicy engine with lower gearing?

[@frederiquerijsdijk]

Yes

[@christokapp597]

Hence my argument that if you exceed your allocation of engines the penalties must increase per additional unit used and there must be a loss of constructors points for excessive replacements. If the ICE is damaged in a collision with no fault to the team the new allocation should be without penalty. Losing constructor points should stop any shenanigans.

[@mattpitcher8293]

It was a complete grid drop to the back until Lewis took an engine. Then the FIA changed it to just 5

[@jeremyreid9582]

Oh yes … how are the unobjective Marshall and race-director going to decide who is responsible for the incidents; and who is ‘not at fault’ ? Is every corner on every track going to be predefined where a pilot may overtake or where it is prohibitive to overtake (remember liddle horner on Silverstone :” … everyone knows you cannot overtake at Cops” !!!). With the driving promising to be even closer in 2022, there will be far more collisions… especially with a ‘protected max’ continuing to play dodgems.

[@boostav]

@@mattpitcher8293 Wrong. After the 4th engine the penalty goes from 10 spots to 5 spots. Hamilton was at the back in Brazil because of his rear wing not the engine.

[@boostav]

@@jeremyreid9582 Are you stupid? Every time there's a crash the stewards make a determination on who, if anyone, is at fault.

[@mattpitcher8293]

@@boostav I’m aware of that! I’m saying he only got 5 place grid penalty for the engine change when others in the beginning of the season were dropped to last for the same thing!

[@papas_fritas7696]

This is soo cool

[@erikgomez7766]

hello, you should go over how engine supplying works; as in. do customer teams get the newest power unit? or just the one that the engine supplier wants to sell? maybe a tuned down version of it?

[@riccardosartori3822]

So they can change the software on the engine? Like can they change the engine mapping/tune the engine?

[@JeremySchoepf]

Ferrari: Extremely faster than everyone else on the straights -> Everyone else: They must be cheating! Mercedes: Extremely faster than everyone else on the straight -> Everyone else: They are racing gods!

[@SamuelSantos_]

It’s because Ferrari’s engine involved illegal functions, Mercedes’s engine so far hasn’t been discovered to function illegally. And a bunch of fans question Mercedes’s legality lol

[@bryanroseberry2808]

It shows how talented Max really is !!!

[@verb5006]

Mercedes's engine is so fast that they have to bring in Audi/Porsche engine to power Red Bull's car

[@st33Npuist]

😂

[@gabormiklay9209]

Another factor popped up in my head: I don't know the exact PU rules for this kind of engine change, but changing the engine could mean changing software settings (engine mode) regarding the new PU. So, this engine change could not only mean a new physical part of the engine, it could mean playing with software settings. Just a thought! 🤔

[@arvmamuad]

2022 season will be a blast!!!!

[@virgilioanlupas1459]

I have a doubt. From the beginning of the season, the engine had to have the same configuration. This means that the thermal part is unchanged. To get out, with the same parts more power means to use more fuel than before. I don't think Mercedes drove his engine under the max. potential before Brazil. If they did not force the engine to the designed limit, it would have been seen that they did not consume all the fuel they were allowed to consume. I don't remember talking about it, and I don't think it would have been overlooked if it had been noticed. So the super engine did not increase in power at the thermal part. Now the spicy part is seen to be in the electric area and the fact that the FIA ​​has introduced a new sensor for 2022 seems to confirm this. So in 2022 the Mercedes engine will no longer be so spicy.

[@GowthamV07]

YES. Also the rear end stalling with suspension design on the straight is also banned in 2022.

[@florisbackx1744]

All teams run their engines under maximum potential, to make them last to avoid the penalty when having to replace the engine. All teams also run less fuel then the maximum, giving the mercs the option just just take more fuel (as long as it doesn't exceed the maximum of 110 kilograms). The ceiling of the Mercs engine is so high that, in combination with the extra sprint race they could absorb the penalty. It's just simple math freeski919 said it perfectly in his comment, "Mercedes had essentially created the engine undercut. It's a strategy that plays out over races, instead of tyre undercuts which play out over laps."

[@isaac3360]

Short answer now: no...no, they dont

[@nielsvanbezouw5207]

So if you use your 3 engines fit the whole season normaly and you take a grid drop somewhere to use an extra (more powerfull) engine you easilly get extra points right?

[@nielsvanbezouw5207]

Iknow you need some luck with the races and you need a very good car but its pussible I think

[@DackFort]

Great video. Was incredibly to see how Lewis get back to the pole in Interlagos, and after that, left Max behind with the free track

[@Alex-cw3rz]

It's hilarious looking at the comments it seems more than half the people didn't watch the video and are just implying Mercedes cheated, which we know they didn't as well we know what they did.

[@recipoldinasty]

They didnt cheat, just paid a low price for huge gains …

[@sulphurous2656]

Because people already know the answers to the question. Mercedes always turns down their engines as low as they possibly can. They've been doing it since 2014.

[@mohamednassar42]

I feel that it would make more sense for the teams to replace worn out bearings and seals instead of replacing the entire PU component

[@philanimtshali4090]

In theory it could be cheaper

[@motoman1008]

This is formula 1

[@SvenVoelk]

That way you would open the door to constant rebuilding of the engines between races. Not the general idea. The engines are supposed to have a balance between power and reliability. Hence (like last season) they should last roughly 7 race weekends. I think it is also an issue of allowing the smaller teams with lesser budgets to even stay competitive. An 'overhaul' of a F1 engine is still a very expensive operation.

[@chriskeentechnician]

Hopefully the 2022 rule changes make a big improvement to the racing. Some of these remaining rules could do with an overhaul to produce closer racing. That’s what we want!

[@Cafferssss]

My gut was saying they turned up the boost or altered the timing/fuelling and shortened the life of the engine thusly.

[@tigerrx7]

That’s a stupid rule to share your FIA docs to change something with other teams. One of the awesome parts of F1 is seeing how teams play the technical guessing game to find out what they’re competitors are doing and challenge them.

[@yoeriw7099]

You know the rules are there to push teams to be more sustainable (at least that's what the FIA and FOM say). So less engines thrown in the bin basically, don't know why the 4th is 10 place grid-drop and the 5th is only 5 places tho (all extra should carry a heavier or similar penalty to the 4th).

[@GowthamV07]

So you wanted the mercedes to have another 10 years of dominant engine while lewis sores off to a 10 second lead and get the championship without even driving for it. ?

[@tiagodumont4422]

My worry is that either Mercedes, Ferrari, Alpine or RB nails the E10 engine and, with the engine freeze, everyone else will be a sitting duck until 2025. The tight rules on aero also don't leave much room to make up any significant power deficit.

[@stemartin6671]

Don't discount Mclaren at all as they should have their chassis up to scratch for 2022 🤞

[@timoooo7320]

I think F1 when they introduced the new rules they said that they're not set in stone and will be adjusted as needed to ensure we get good racing

[@tiagodumont4422]

@@stemartin6671 They will be running Mercedes' engines.

[@stemartin6671]

@@tiagodumont4422 yeah but their 2021 car was designed to run a Renault engine and after the manufacturer change, they weren't able to develop the car to suit the merc engine. They were only allowed allowed change the bare minimum needed to FIT the merc engine. So 2022 they will have been able to change the whole chassis to suit.

[@tiagodumont4422]

@@stemartin6671 Yeah but I'm talking about engine manufacturers nailing the design and mapping for E10.

[@GerritTjaardAMarinus]

nice one, tumbs up !!

[@justamanchimp]

I think it's also worth mentioning, and this is partly theory lol, but the car setup as a whole and the strategy merc went for is probably the more important thing with his "rocket" car that day. Intuitively for interlagos, you would probably try and setup the car to work well in the middle sector and the fast high downforce corners because there's potentially a lot of time to make up in there. You try and keep as much straight line speed as possible but you'd find that right balance and make sure you have enough downforce for certain corners. As merc knew they would be starting last, they needed a car fast enough to easily pass and the best place to pass in Brazil is the main straight. As the merc is a beast anyway, I don't think they worried too much about setting up the car for the middle sector as overtaking here is a waste of time, waste of tyres, ers, dirty air, etc. Instead I think they setup the car to be as fast as possible on the straights. All Lewis had to do was make sure he followed close enough in the middle, not worrying about attacking necessarily, and then to deploy and get a rocket exit out of the last turn, using those tyres he saved, maximising every bit of ers and engine. He just timed it perfectly every time. Brundle pointed this out in the live commentary, I remember watching at the time thinking the same thing. In most of his overtakes he got alongside way before the end of the straight. I think merc likely ran the numbers on this and realised that's actually the best strat given how experienced lewis is to pull that off. I bet on the next Brundle Hamilton race rewatch videos they do Hamilton will reveal this haha. So I don't think the whole win can be accredited to just the engine itself. I think the combination of setup and strategy, utilising the engine life, is what made it seem so rocket but actually, it was the same car.