WINDOWS 12 Is Coming!

[@CosmicCitiZenOfficial]

Windows 12 - AI powered Microsoft Telemetry 🤔🤔

[@SuperTort0ise]

Ai powered bugs 💀💀💀

[@Sinke_100]

Gpt4+powershell 🔝

[@The_Penguin_City]

Moco$oft AI spyware.

[@The_Penguin_City]

@@Sinke_100 Jajaja.

[@Night_Spy]

Windows Users: Oh hell nah.

[@four-en-tee]

(tries to open Task Manager) Windows 12: I can't let you do that, David.

[@yumri4]

the part of it now speaking to you when you type in a question into the search bar is kind of cool but i wish i had more control over the voice used. I have 80 AI voices for another TTS program connected to another program etc. with connected programs until you get to Blender output audio channels. So knowing how to use some or all of those voices i have trained already would be nice but so far is not a thing in the windows OS. It is a thing you can add to it but not built into the system. Quality of Life improvement that few if any will use and i really hope whoever made the voice for all those years ago got paid well as it is the default for everything in all versions of windows since added if you want TTS and now to talk with cortana. ... kind of it has a selection of voices if you dig for it.

[@Rohit-Kumar741]

Remember that time Microsoft said Windows 10 is gonna be the last and latest version of Windows

[@m.y.a.111]

😂😂😂 fxcking scammers

[@arvindraghavan403]

Just like everyother fast & furious movie

[@andronut]

yall repetitive af its irritating to hear every single time

[@dbsirius]

@@andronut Go and take a nap...or go outside, you're cranky

[@andronut]

@@dbsirius you the guy that would constantly tell people that it was said by a single ms employee and not getting tired from it

[@SpiritmanProductions]

• Having started with Windows *_3.1_* (on floppies!), I'm convinced that the good/bad cycle is real. • I think people might be confused about the early versions if they forget that *_98_* had a second edition. • *_95_* was an incredible advance on *_3.1_* but then *_98_* failed to live up to expectation. However, *_98SE_* was the fix that gave us a hugely popular and able OS. • *_Me_* (which I always thought was pronounced "em-ee") was dire, but then the hallowed *_XP_* came along, and seemed like the last OS we'd ever need; indeed, according to Statista, as of January 2023, approximately 4.5 million computers in the world are still running it. • As mentioned in the video, *_Vista_* got the same reception as *_Me_* and you know the rest.

[@JohanNyberg77]

The good/bad cycle all depends on how you count the releases. 1985 - Windows 1.0 1987 - Windows 2.0 1990 - Windows 3.0 1990 - (OS/2 was joined work between Microsoft and IBM that Microsoft left to work more on Windows, taking parts of OS/2 3.0 and making it Windows NT) 1992 - Windows 3.1 1993 - Windows NT 3.1 1993 - Windows 3.11 Windows for Workgroup 1994 - Windows NT 3.5x 1995 - Windows 95 (with some more releases to OEMs with full FAT32support, Internet Explorer 3.0 and USB support Windows 95r2 and 95r2,1 and 95r2.5) 1996 - Windows NT 4.0 1998 - Windows 98 1999 - Windows 98 SE 2000 - Windows 2000 (February 2000) 2000 - Windows Me (September 2000) The first non Windows NT codebase version that actually could be called a new OS as it didn't need DOS to run. 2001 - Windows XP (6 different releases during 2001-2005 counting 64 bit release and Media Center Edition but still counting them as Windows XP) 2007 - Windows Vista 2009 - Windows 7 2012 - Windows 8 2013 - Windows 8.1 (yes, it's counted as it's own release as it was a major change on Windows 8 and got the same increase in build number as between Windows 7 and Windows 8 and a new major codename change) 2015 - Windows 10 (1507, 1511, 1607, 1703, 1709, 1802, 1809, 1903, 1909, 2004, 20H2, 21H1, 21H2 and 22H2) One can argue that each new release should be counted as a new version, or at least count 1507-1511 as one, 1607-1809 as one 1903 as one and 1909-22H2 as one because Microsoft gave them completely new major Codenames and they took forever to update to (basically installing a new OS). 2021 - Windows 11 (21H2, 22H2) Both releases have the same major Codename. And all these are consumer/professional versions and not counting server versions.

[@palomarjack4395]

Except it's been "bad" since version 8. That's why I use Linux since then. No spyware, no security issues, no malware, no tracking and no aggressive registration/activation. I can also move the taskbar where I want and networking is so easy while Windows became a nightmare, and there is far more. Apple and Chrome OS is no option, just as invasive to our lives. For what, just to sell them to the highest advertising bidder. My life is deMicrosofted, deAppled and deGoogled. And life is good again.

[@insoft_uk]

Windows XP was the successor to 2000 and 2000 successor to NT 4, as Windows line ended with Me, NT family of OSs took over and Windows XP is NT design with the home user is n mind and clever marketing to make it sound like a Windows update when it was a Windows NT update why a lot of users discovered some of their old software didn’t work as for one NT don’t allow direct access to IO stuff like out or in to access the parallel port some users found that out the hard way

[@SpiritmanProductions]

@@insoft_uk I should have made it clearer that my list was a reflection of the average home user's experience, with versions aimed at business and/or servers omitted. ;-)

[@charlie_nolan]

What about Windows 2000?

[@edison3571]

I get the feeling that Windows 12 will just be polishing the turd of Windows 11. It would be nice if the people at Microsoft would listen to what people really want in their O.S. instead of just making the system harder and harder to navigate and control.

[@SectorfiveYT]

Thats why I use Linux, O.S. made by people for people.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

At this point, if you're still using Windows, maybe the polished turd is exactly what you want.

[@dbsirius]

Shiny turd fun

[@cootmaster]

yup 12 will be like 7, 8.1 have to go in and FIX everything. like 8.1 putting START back in

[@DanielEA14710]

That is NOT all: Microsoft Windows need to bring back their smart phones plus+ their tablets as well. Back then, Windows phones + tablets were just as great + perfection as Android tablet + phones.💻🖥📱🖱⌨

[@phir9255]

It's year 2100, my grandkids are upgrading to newly released Windows 60.

[@johnps1670]

Windows classic with the look of 3.11.

[@m.y.a.111]

Windows 2000 literally

[@devilsoffspring5519]

And they STILL haven't fixed all the bugs

[@CoolBreezeAnthony]

@@devilsoffspring5519 LOL.

[@RumpleNJ]

AI in my OS just means more things they take away my control of, and more spying on what I do. I would still be on 7 if my hardware supported it. I will not move off 10 until the same situation arises. Every iteration removes more of the granular control the user used to have. More and more often we are forced into registry edits to change things that used to be easily found in Control Panel. I really wish there were some competition in the OS space. I remember Windows 386, a really long time ago. And I was always a proponent of Windows, until 10. Spying, making it harder to change the look/feel/operation on my own computer. They're out of control, and we have no real viable alternative.

[@reignmack]

so you would have remained on 7 despite the lack of security patches and potential zero-day vulnerabilities?

[@MikeWiggins1235711]

@@reignmack You forgot to mention REQUIRED hardware updates, subscription "services", and being on the "cloud". Yes, I am still using Windows 7 and with the way things are looking it will be my last MS product.

[@Fiffelito]

@@reignmack windows 98 still to this day recieves security updates. Same with windows 7. Not everything is backwards compatible, every blue moon I need to boot up 98, and I do it connected to the internet. There is no reason to be fearful of the lack of security updates from microsoft for your OS. On the contrary, sh*t has a tendancy to break with auto updates of ANY kind. When you are computer fluent you really don't want "something hidden going on behind your back" which is why the LACK of security updates and turning off driver auto updates is a GOOD thing, not a bad. Me personally wouldn't have switched to 10 unless Steam is ceasing functionallity for 7 next year. I don't want a ... how to put it.... "hyper left leaning" AI ( ask any big language model what they think about communism, holodomir, child transitioning, capitalism et.c. et.c.) autocorrect my work documents - a feature they bragged about in windows 11, and now with the manufacture auto-response from Alexa being INTERPRETED as "racist" which led to Amazon shutting down a smart house and had the user blacklisted. And why would I want to be forced to use cloud storage? How many times of major security breaches i.e. 'the fappening' but on a business side do we really need to suffer before the cloud is finally viewed with no tinted glasses. Everything new is not good, Nothing good is new. And one of the first "FEATURES" was a big-brother chip NEEDED to run windows 11, which was quickly silenced and "patched out", will it return in 12? So the first argument against staying on older OS is rejected "lack of security updates", the second and last argument is "it's free" - which is a non-argument, I can give you a week old sandwich from the gas station and ask you to eat it - for free, why wouldn't you? it's free.

[@internet_userr]

What lol loloolllol

[@gokublack8342]

Linux

[@Bareego]

Most of the real AI performance comes from the server backend, so as much as some hardware manufacturers might try to showcase AI circuitry for the end user, it's silly to be honest. To me increased use of AI points more towards an always internet connected OS with a subscription smodel, which is what MS has been trying to move people towards anyway.

[@floycewhite6991]

Like Internet portals.

[@leecmh]

Pure Capitalism. Only the rich benefit in this modern world.

[@Gramini]

@@leecmh Are you sure you replied to the correct comment?

[@roccociccone597]

​@@Gramini is he wrong? The only reason there is such an incredible hype around AI, is to accelerate tasks, even fully automate tasks, so the rich can spend less money to make even more than they already have. That inevitably what has set in motion and it will only get worse as AI improves. We don't yet know the limits of this technology and it probably will be a long while until it innovation in this field stagnates. Companies cater more to the shareholders than the customers, because god forbid the company might not increase their profits year over year to quench the greed of investors. Any money that is saved, or earned by using AI will go straight back to those already fortunate enough to benefit from a company's improved margins, which is never the consumer nor the regular employee.

[@ApplePotato]

Running AI models local is useful too in situation like Text to Speech for accessibility menu narration (should work offline too) or simple photo editing capabilities. On cellphone etc where data could be expensive there is a cost benefit to run them local.

[@nankinink]

Just a heads up, Windows stopped being Microsoft's flagship for long time. The team working on Windows might be very tiny. Most of their resources, nowadays, goes to Azure and that's where they get the most money. That also explains the (tried to) change to service-based since it's cheaper and cost-effective.

[@rdnowlin1206]

Linux is eating Windows lunch.

[@new-channel-xrwwia]

@@Nighterlev isn’t chrome os a Linux distro

[@zg-it]

Exactly, and now they're using the government to create regulations to force everybody business to use their services.

[@qwerte6948]

​@@Nighterlev its based on linux lmao

[@joshfromsmosh3352d]

@@qwerte6948 still not linux. the average user never interacts with its linux components. and the linux dev enviroment that can be used on chrome os is just a debian vm

[@Jazztache]

With the potential for AI Powered Telemetry and ChatGPT being integrated into the search bar, I recon now is as good as time as ever to pickup a Linux distro such as Linux Mint or KDE Neon and bail on the Windows ecosystem as a whole. At this rate Linux already more user-friendly than Windows 11 and that trend doesn't seem to be stopping soon.

[@yungchop6332]

Been running ubuntu for a month now as a beginner to linux stuff.

[@electricindigoball1244]

I'm so thankful that Linux exists because with the direction Windows is going in we will need a "dumb" OS even if we're forced to use Windows at work or for some specific software. Honestly if I wasn't a gamer I probably wouldn't even use Windows for the last few years and with how far tools like Proton have come along gaming on Linux can be perfectly doable depending on your game library.

[@yungchop6332]

@@electricindigoball1244 Proton literally works better for me for a lot of games on my laptop. Probably because way less overhead from how bloated windows is. I mainly play Resident Evil 5 and 6 and a bunch of indie games.

[@The_Penguin_City]

You won't regret that decision.

[@Dave102693]

Linux sounds more promising with each every day

[@jscottupton]

The computer I'm using right now was running very slow with Windows 10 even though it is 4 core, 6gb ram and intel i5. So I loaded it with Linux Mint and it is FLYING. It's a whole, different machine.

[@gokublack8342]

Everyone needs to just rip off the bandaid and go to Linux

[@OmegaZyion]

AI controlled OS brings just makes me think it is going to be another version of Clippy, but worse. Clippy was annoying because it was trying to be smarter than its user, but ended up getting in the way more often than helping. I have a feeling that the AI for Windows 12 is going to be allot of the same, but is going to be more taxing on your machine because the AI is constantly running in the background watching everything you do and sending it back to Microsoft. Only occasionally popping out of the shadows to tell you that you're using Windows wrong.

[@ranchocommodorereef]

This honestly sounds scary and dystopian.

[@GabrielVilanova-n3p]

If you'll not be able to turn it off in regedit, then I'm switching to Linux permanently, fuck Microsoft.

[@WalterSobchack-s8n]

AI inevitably translates to less privacy as AI 'recommendations' is based on collecting data. Imagine your PC recommending you cold medicine and a doctor cause it 'heard' you sneezing. Yes, not all AI is bad, but all AI does need data to work.

[@robertpucovsky]

Too soon imo. They should first polish win11, like they did with win10. I'm still on 10 since my hardware is not officially supported by 11 (yeah I could circumvent that but I chose not to), I could see myself heavily modifying it to suit my needs.

[@SinbadNaiver]

I agree, windows 12 will be as filled with bugs as 11.

[@joshuan.]

My guess is they want to rush Windows 12 to move on from the Good/Bad mindset that's affecting 11.

[@CesarPeron]

Historically, Microsoft publishes its operating system in Beta state and after a few years of use, they release a "new" one (the previous one but finished). Win. Vista (beta) Win. 7 Win. 8 (beta) Win. 10 Win. 11 (beta) Win. 12

[@Liggliluff]

I think you can go to language settings and set Windows 11 to Polish yourself

[@SpinDlsc]

I wish MS would do something like 5 years between major releases with 3 years of feature updates, and 10 years of security support for each OS. The feature team could move onto build and debug features for the next OS after feature updates for the previous OS are done.

[@beterax]

At some point I will switch to Linux due to all the "bullshit" ms adds to windows.

[@russellmania5349]

You should do it and I promise you that you won't regret it. Linux or Mac OS is the way to go.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Now is a pretty good time. I set up a Linux Mint dual boot a few weeks ago on my personal PC (mostly for browsing and gaming) and haven't touched 10 since then.

[@juushy]

windows 11 is excellent at tracking and monitoring everything you do😊

[@floycewhite6991]

It literally takes days to go through and turn off the tracking settings.

[@tech-bore8839]

"Cant's say Windows 11 is a bad OS" The mandatory & aggressive telemetry from 10 & 11 automatically make them bad OS's. Their perks, despite how useful, don't negate that fact. Let's also not forget the silent upgrades that Win10 made to users' machines without their permission upon its debut.

[@AntsAntsAndAnts]

Can I just say, this video being able to be consumed oth only audio is really a life saver! It really allows me to do some other work while 'watching' youtube

[@teaganmonroe29]

Windows 12's development and release sounds like a similar fiasco Miscrosoft had with Windows 8 where it was unpopular and even affected their shares. As a result of that, they quickly pushed out 8.1 and then went full-steam into Windows 10 development reverting back to a lot of the familiarity of Windows 7 (while still making it a mess).

[@louishurr393]

Man, I really appreciate the comment about audio form. I wish more YT creators did that. I consume most of my KZbin while doing other things and can’t actually watch the screen.

[@iansarmiento23]

Was Windows 11 that bad that they need the next one?

[@derek8564]

Yup

[@ThatOneAmpharos]

Yeah

[@Aphelia.]

as a Win 11 user, yes 100%

[@cathacker13]

It's terrible I am so glad I kept 10 on my home pc

[@RikKoedoot]

Personally i like windows 11, even though I do see it is rushed, still inconsistent, but 10 was too, it's just windows 10 but with a new look, and the new look imo looks great

[@Lounes378]

i thought the idea to just have windows and then releasing updates would be way better than a full release one OS that keeps getting better over time is better then releasing new version and abandoning the previous release

[@SHEARMINATOR]

You got it in one..Windows are not calling it windows 12

[@UnFishe]

But they need to resell licences to people who have already paid which is rubbish but still sadly the way things are

[@SuperTort0ise]

Arch(btw)?

[@ww1flyingace263]

They need to tell the user what version of Windows they are on, so they can learn it. If it's just Windows without a version number, and it's always changing with multiple updates, how do I learn it? Those version numbers are good defining points.

[@SuperTort0ise]

@@ww1flyingace263 no. Win 10 at the start of it's life is very different from win 10 now, version numbering doesn't need to be on the box.

[@roboko6618]

I never moved to Windows 11 because I don't think it's finished, and they're already making a new 'OS' - Is Microsoft just not capable of finishing their products any more?

[@TheTytan007]

No operating system is finished nowadays, why do you think that any other OS like macOS, Android, Linux distro constantly gets a newer version. Windows 12 will be improved version of Windows 11 and then Windows 13 will be an improved version of 12

[@Dave102693]

@@TheTytan007 they get feature updates and it takes more than 4 years before current config gets dropped outside the smartphone market.

[@TheTytan007]

@@Dave102693 On the fundamental level feature updates and new versions of Windows, Android, some Linux distros, macOS, iOS and ChromeOS are the same thing and require entire os to be reinstalled or swapped.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

Just wait until they move Windows to the cloud and you're running it OSaaS style (Operating System as a Service) with a small monthly fee.

[@RepostCollection]

Windows 10 is so much better than Windows 11

[@ThePhysicsWorm]

@@itsshafayat6378 yall prolly biased 💀Clearly, Windows 11 is BETTER even if not design-wise, it is if we consider the Security and the Speed. Now before either of you jump on and backfire my Speed point it's just cuz you upgraded to 11 on UNSUPPORTED Hardware... This is the reason many people have speed problems or prolly they have a low-budget pc to even run W-11 properly. So, considering weaknesses too W-11 has made tasks a LITTLE bit harder as you can't get access to more options when you right-click the taskbar or a file, and the W-11 Start UI is worse than 10 but you wanna change it back to the original using third-party software (not recommended) Not cuz of "Virus" or "Spyware" but even the legit ones can drastically slow up your pc. So recollecting em up - * Issues ---> Ease ---> Minor bugs (Switching to different interfaces in the Task Manager) ---> Design (Like the Start menu) Still, with all this, Microsoft will definitely fix em up until the next 23H1 update rolls out! And with an end to this, W-12 will be EVEN MORE advanced than W-11 and W-10 especially if they are gonna add some AI-stuff features.

[@CesarPeron]

not visually

[@_Surajs16]

I think that Microsoft should have tried hard to make windows 11 run on low end hardware. I have a laptop from 2016 which does have a TPM chip it was just disabled in the bios by default and for some reason Microsoft still was not letting me install windows 11. I had to do the registry changes to make it work. Another thing is that they tried making windows 11 look like and smartphone OS like the notification panel, the animations, the Microsoft app store all just make it look like a smartphone OS not an OS which operates on a PC.

[@chesi_7_0_79]

I have a Dell 2018 with a badass Intel CPU that didn't had TPM and barely used it until 2 years ago, and I refuse to buy another Laptop just for Win 11. If we're to buy one with the same specs as the one I currently have it would be 900 bucks or close to it, ridik

[@The_Penguin_City]

Like windose 8.

[@obj_obj]

If you have low end hardware you should be installing Linux anyway

[@The_Penguin_City]

@@obj_obj That's not the main reason. Obviously you don't know anything.

[@_Surajs16]

@@obj_obj I could but I have used windows for my whole life now and gaming on linux is not good enough.

[@Ross8k60]

People never mention Windows 8.1, which was phenomenal, especially with all the updates.

[@garyradtke3252]

Yes, what's up with that. I used it for years without any problems. The problem I have is all of the major changes in how we have to get around in the operating system. From 3.1 to 8.1 it was relatively the same procedures to get around in them. We could use and make changes simply without relearning the operating system. It's like constantly putting your tools in a different drawer in your tool box and then having to relearn muscle memory all of the time. It's not productive unless there is a real need for it. Another problem is there is no competition. All of the programs such as OEM marine engine diagnostics are built for windows only.

[@WyattOShea]

My favourite version of windows tbh it was much snappier feeling than windows 7 and once you turned off the live tiles thing so it booted right into the desktop as well as using start menu 8 (I think it was called) to get it to look like win 7 it was GG for me. I had no major issues that I can remember and it ran flawlessly for years until I upgraded to 10 then later on 11.. Still kinda miss it tbh as everything I had just worked for the most part without there being any major hassles unlike windows 10 which for the first 6 months was broken for me hardware wise (screens turning off and on every few seconds or so) Also game crashing/bluescreening etc on the software side.

[@DeepThinker193]

I remember optimizing a customers computer ultilizing win8.1. Just as a throw away service after I had repaired their laptop. It was normal speed at first. Then I disabled all the useless process etc and I was shocked. It was butter smooth. It was so smooth and fast infact, I had to research why it was like that compared to win10 etc. I saw a lot of comparisons with boot times and was amazed to learn it was the fastest. The thing damn near blinked on from shutdown when I was done with it.

[@FriedEgg101]

People never mention it maybe because it messes with the good/bad cycle model. But if you just make it fit then win10 becomes the bad release, which I'm fine with. 8.1 was the last of windows as a product, and not a service.

[@johanb.7869]

W8.1 was a service pack for W8. Remains the fact that W7 was imo the last good Windows.

[@RustyNova]

If they add AI, while they literally fired their ethic team, then that's a nope.

[@MysticalPerson48K]

What is the minimum CPU you will need for Windows 12 , or are they ditching that stupid CPU requirement that Windows 11 had but did not need.

[@hermanwooster8944]

They need to drum up hardware sales for their partners, especially since most customers already have more than enough power to run their programs without requiring an upgrade every 4 years.

[@marsmotion]

@@hermanwooster8944 bingo

[@Vandreand]

I don't even feel Windows 11 is finished lol

[@annoyingguyoninternet1631]

They will treat Windows 11 like Windows 8

[@unknown_codec_404]

@@annoyingguyoninternet1631 Windows 8 at least was fast and bloatware-free

[@Vipce]

@@unknown_codec_404 its just downhill from 8.1 It was the last okay operating system. 7 still the goat.

[@Onepunchmeme1]

@@Vipce I thought 7 was looking back with nostalgic glasses but i found window 10 to be the better system.

[@henson2k]

It never will

[@ThatOneAmpharos]

I wasn't really impressed by windows 11, I still sticked to 10. Hope they make it better this time.

[@Aphelia.]

I wish i also sticked to Win 10. 11 is so slow and bulky, harder to navigate and overall worse than 10 even though it brings nothing new to the table.

[@oscs4556]

it’s visa 2.0 - that’s why

[@pyp2205]

I upgraded to Windows 11 almost a year ago, and I've seen better performance compared to Windows 10 (at least on my home laptop, it sometimes felt like an MS-DOS computer). But I still stick with Windows 10 in other places.

[@tonigon5767]

My opinion of W11 based on use since release is: I continue to be underwhelmed by W11. There is in my opinion, nothing bad about it. But there is nothing about it that stands out for me..

[@henson2k]

Start menu became worse

[@Aera223]

AI powered windows should have a file transfer bar that is accurate, taking into account every file process that has run, and having separate predictions for "lots of small files" vs "some large files". Edit: Fixed mall to small. And, yay, 58 likes so far!

[@MrArrmageddon]

Amazing idea. However I have concerns? Like how does it train this? If it sort of collects data and sends it back to Microsoft I don't like that. Probably means it can identify what files your using due to name, file size, dates etc. Things that would likely be used to train such a feature. So as long as all the training is done on microsofts end. And the AI that runs on windows 12 is not collecting and sending or leaking data back. That is fine. But I would not want an AI working as a secret agent on my PC. lol

[@scpatl4now]

It will be AI that also tells MS about everything you do

[@Aera223]

@@MrArrmageddon It could be trained based on filesize and amount of files. No file names or contents would be shared. Also, it could take windows processes into account, since microsoft knows how they would be scheduled

[@DaystromDataConcepts]

I hope the AI features can be turned off. I suspect Windows 12 will see near mandatory use of a Microsoft account to use it. If so, I'm out.

[@cryptoexperience4446]

Have you ever setup a new build of windows 11 home latest version? You literally have to have a Microsoft account to complete setup 😮

[@DaystromDataConcepts]

@@cryptoexperience4446 Yes. This is the direction Microsoft is going. They want to make Windows a subscriber service. BTW, I believe you can still bypass the Microsoft account requirement, but you have to do some slight of hand. I'm sticking with 10 as long as I can.

[@Soundy777]

At this point the only people upgrading to the latest windows versions are the tech KZbinrs covering it

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

No, boomers who don't know how to stop it are also getting upgraded.

[@fy7589]

I can imagine a future when there are underground groups that pay ridiculous amounts of money for AI-free operating systems and processors made by random companies.

[@PeterHonig.]

It's called Linux and it is 100% free now and for the foreseeable future.

[@fy7589]

@@PeterHonig. Ah yeah except you have to find a nice distro that does everything you need and is not broken at the same time. Or you're stuck with things like ubuntu which are really not all that trustworthy according to Richard Stallman. And what do you think about the processors that come with embedded AI? Tech is moving forward at a really fast phase and 10 years fast forward, our best current hardware will probably be practically junk. And I feel concerned about this AI inside every chip these companies make. Like phone chips all them have embedded AI. And even Intel and AMD are starting to do the same thing. Since we never really know what they actually do on the background because they're all closed source. I know it kinda sounds paranoid but that's how ideas form. I think all AI must be open source or else it should be illegal.

[@yourworstfear]

let satan in so here comes Ai

[@rtyzxc]

@@fy7589 The TPM thing already hands over your PC ownership to Microsoft, remotely. Your next computer will take part in Microsoft's botnet, functionality of which will be masked as "Antimalware Service Executable".

[@fy7589]

@@rtyzxc True, but we can still at least play with group policy settings and disable things in windows 10 so microsoft can't execute any commands even if they can still practically send your kernel orders thru the TPM, essentially you are breaking the software by doing that so it throws an error rather than following microsoft's command whether it's scanning for malware or giving up on your details or handing over remote access. Does it make your desktop experience bad? Yes. Does it also make your pc vulnerable? Yes. But if you're on a processor with embedded AI, good luck because AI can actually identify the problem and fix those settings you messed up without even telling you. And in that case it doesn't even matter what operating system you are on. It's concerning to have embedded software that can do things if they are told to, without the user's permission nor knowledge.

[@Blindtechnician]

Sometimes I think that they’re trying to become like macOS where you get a new version every year but if they’re just gonna keep releasing versions like this are they gonna continue with activation and all that because it would be annoying to have to keep buying a new key whenever you build a system.

[@JodyBruchon]

*No, Windows 11 is not remotely decent.* 12 will be even worse if this AI nonsense gets added. An OS has one job: provide universal interfaces for programs to talk to hardware. Marketing and AI nonsense doesn't belong.

[@андрей_свиридов]

How will windows dye: 1. Terminating support for OpenGL and DirectX 8/9/10. 2. Terminating support for win32 apps in Windows 12. 3. Terminating support of MsStore and updates in Windows 10 and 11 right after the release of Windows 12. 4. Including anti-piracy software on hardware level. 5. Terminating support for normal games and apps in favor of UWP and .appx sht.

[@quinnarx]

Windows 12 already?? I don't even have Windows 11 yet

[@russellmania5349]

Your not missing out on anything

[@darkcastle85]

Windows 11 is worse than 10 and I wouldn't recommend updating to it until the ui and home page doesn't look like an ipad

[@quinnarx]

@@darkcastle85 it's just my windows 10 runs really slow

[@h-dawg6462]

@@quinnarx basically, remove all win10 apps, also stop the pointless "updates" that don't protect you from anything, and win10 runs quicker !!!

[@quinnarx]

@@h-dawg6462 can you send a video?

[@Frannoidea]

poeple with windows 12 on a fast pc: random youtuber: "CAN IT RUN WINDOWS 12 ON A WINDOWS XP COMPUTER!?😱😱😱"

[@Inosix]

Objectively 10 is trash. They didn't even finish switching all their systems to the terrible W10 settings style menu. You still need to use win7 menus. To be clear, I would rather never touch that terrible settings window ever again. It's bad and many of the things I need to change often I cannot do from that menu. You must use the 7 applets instead.

[@russellmania5349]

Not just trash, but Windows is malware baked into the operating system. Linux does circles around Windows and uses way less ram also.

[@Inosix]

@@russellmania5349 what made me laugh was a server grade OS comes installed with dumb shit like Candy Crush.

[@SuperTort0ise]

6:48 win 8.1??? It's the best. IMO 11 is like Vista and 8, not actually that bad but not good, 12 will be like 7 and 8.1 "fixing the problems" really there weren't really that many problems after launch, people just need a new number to realize that. That's not to say that 11 or 12 is/was/will ever be, perfect or even good because at the end of the day it's still windows.

[@coffee-is-power]

Microsoft has gone too far now...

[@fennyfinari906]

I feel like there is a sector of the community that doesnt want their computer locked to windows only or even want to have access to the information sent abroad. If you look at the difference in internet traffic sent to third parties in comparison to say, XP? there is a vast difference. The AI integration honestly scares me as a consumer as much as the company is already mining me for information without any warning on when and how aside from, "they might".

[@27.minhquangvo76]

The user experience for me was honestly quite OK despite being on the Dev channel. I believe that Windows 11's release statement mentioned mostly graphical changes, otherwise it is still nearly identical to Windows 10. Performance-wise, one of my machines is doing OK, while the other made me drop the F-bomb on even Windows 10, urging me to downgrade to Windows 7.

[@MasterBluspark]

I hope they fix windows 11 fully before they release that. And windows 8.1 is better and nicer than the windows 10.

[@vasiliyt8600]

@CJ Hutchinson True. But not Windows 8.1.

[@perfectionbox]

wait, there's a Windows 12? But I haven't even finished ignoring Windows 11 yet.

[@DXMage]

11 is bad because reg backup is disabled and if you install from scratch half the time system restore isn't turned on by default.

[@kimxgamer]

I don't have a good view of the upcoming "Windows 12" it will probably just be windows 11 but more polished. I prefer to stay on one windows version and then get feature updates instead.

[@ZeriumYT]

when ever i think of windows 11 i came up with a name for it "the windows 10.1 circle update" i call it that because everything now is just rounded corners and some ui changes fundamentally at its core to my knowledge its mostly windows 10 so i treat it akin to that of windows 8 vs 8.1 in terms of what changes happened

[@RowanBird779]

Honest I don't think Windows XP was as good as people said it was, it feels oddly sluggish on even high-end machines several years after it's release. It's not unfinished, just a sort of slow and unresponsive

[@beanmchocolate3900]

Having AI be the main driving force of your OS is a LEGITIMATELY BAD idea. God forbid the AI gets confused, and believes that to best help and serve you, it must send all of the information about you to Russia or China, you’re screwed and there’s no way to predict when the AI will get confused. Imagine getting a copy of Windows 12, and then suddenly, you get weird messages in other languages that when you translate them, say something like “We will be visiting you to negotiate your possibility of life going forward. Your social credit score is very poor, and we believe you are in need of a punishment.” That’s why you DON’T make an AI powered OS. This is going to cause hundreds of thousands of people to get hurt. Offices can be shut down if the AI sees a game that you are developing as “problematic” in accordance to what it sees on Twitter, causing all computers in the studio to lock down because “shotguns are too violent according to Twitter”.

[@gzoechi]

Sounds like "Winter is coming" 😬

[@AmmarFarisA]

Can't wait until windows finally releasing windows 69 and I'm waiting for it.

[@DaystromDataConcepts]

I hope all the AI "features" in 12 can be turned off. I, for one, do not want AI assistance unless I ask for it. If we think the telemetry is bad now, can you imagine what it will be like in 12? I can't move to Linux, but I just want a lightweight Windows OS that focuses on stability, reliability and not continually adding eye candy tweaks in order to convince the masses that something "new" has occurred in an update. I used to be part of the Windows Insider program. As a visually impaired user, I kept sending bug reports about their Narrator accessibility tool. They never listened and completely ignored the comprehensive list of issues. In fact, it got worse, losing a key feature that never returned. I gave up with the Insider program when I'd receive notifications about how there was a new colour on the Windows Explorer bar now and other such trivial UI tweaks.

[@GazzaBoo]

I'm fairly certain that win 12 will, again, require new, new hardware, so I doubt I'll bother with it. I'm not buying new pc's to do what I already do quite happily. Chat gpt and the likes are of little interest to me these days, I don't do anything much that it's useful for. Sure it's a cool novelty, but unless you have a specific purpose for it, it really won't change anything much for a good while, despite what Panay says. Besides, I live in programs, as long as the OS can launch them and not get in the way I don't care too much.

[@lucky_lol]

Idk but I don't got your video in notifications/Subscriptions and recieved it as a recommendation 2 days later

[@TheBigLou13]

I want control over my hardware. I don't want to be interpreted - I want to be obeyed by my software. My system shall be empty, technically flawless and efficient (no preventable runtime errors, crashes or wasted CPU load), and it shall be visually/usabilitywise customizable - capable of installing, configuring and executing things I tell it to. For the masses with an optional software bundle for a quick start. I want to know and control everything that goes in and out and how it's processed/sent/received. I want to be indepentend from clouds/edges/remote-intrusion/telemetry and I don't want to be compelled to state everything I don't want (blacklist), but rather I only want, what I state I want (whitelist). In short: An empty offline-first platform that is compatible with as much software as possible; That does as little as possible behind the scenes to make it work.

[@mikerestivo5510]

You want Linux!

[@kodemasterx]

I just laugh at people who say Win10 was a good OS, sure it became stable AFTER 3 years of patches... Win 7 till this day has been the best OS MS has ever released.

[@davidcave5426]

I have Windows 11 on my new laptop. I think it's one of the best versions of Windows. However, it's still Windows. I've gotten random blue screens and autoreboots that I only found out about after I got up. I use Linux primarily. The above are two reasons why.

[@DrinkingStar]

You make many great points. Two things I hate are:1) having to get new software and hardware to work on a new system; 2) learning how to work the new system when I am already acclimated to and comfortable with the old system........ Remember that "New and Improved" does not necessarily beat "Tried and True" Better than saying "Stay Strong", instead say "Stay Happy". ........P.S. I loved XP.

[@yeetyeet3279]

Seriously? Didn’t Windows 11 just come out like last year or 2 years ago? Windows 10 lasted a lot longer

[@samsebin7895]

Yup and it definitely felt like the windows 10 would be last forever

[@hermanwooster8944]

MS keeps changing from 6-7 years development cycles and 3 year cycles. It made sense back in the 1990s to update the OS every 3 years because significant technological advancements were happening every year. Now? No way. The OS is a behemoth that needs time and care to get it right.

[@Dave102693]

Reminds me of Win 8 to Win 10 with 8.1 two years before 10

[@joshuan.]

The algorithm is robbing you blind. I feel more informed on Windows and more by watching these videos than anything else.

[@MGmirkin]

What are you even talking about? Take off the aluminum foil hat, sir... It's frying your brain.

[@khanisbrown6424]

They shouldn't worry about get this out too soon, they should take their time and get us a better product

[@tank_z6632]

This video is talking about windows 12 and I am seeing this 12 days after it is created noice

[@UltraCenterHQ]

Windows 8.1 is super underrated

[@yazanyaseen10]

agreed

[@Indrakusuma_a]

If that's the case, looks like I'll be skipping Win 11 for Win 12, if it proves to be a worthy successor for Win 10 I'm currently running. And yeah, Win 7 is still the best version for me. Though judging from current Win 11 condition, I don't think Win 12 will amuse anyone.

[@garyharrison4915]

Windows 12 with AI chips and AI software sounds like hell.

[@mistrotech8894]

I miss windows 10 touch features on 11. Therefore, I'm still on 10 since I have a 2-in-1. It just doesn't feel at all designed for touch, like using Windows 7 on an old Surface. Also, my computer can technically run it, but with 8GB soldered RAM, it's slow as molasses. It uses 6GB RAM with a fresh install on idle. Windows 10 in comparison is typically around 1.3GB. I don't know why 11 uses so much RAM, but that's one issue. It doesn't support most computers anyway without installing freshly. The other issue is that the desktop lacks features and customizability...you can't change anything. I'd like widgets on the desktop, and a desktop that actually does something. Perhaps, integrating an optional Bing AI feature, news, or scrollable widgets. It should be similar, and in-sync with Microsoft launcher (that too could use Bing AI)...that launcher is nice, but seems stagnant. Though above all, it just needs to be more optimized.

[@_elifilen]

Microsoft: Win 11 is still beta Also Microsoft: win 12 is coming soon

[@maodebo3301]

What are they even gonna do with this "Ai" on my pc anyway? Like what functions could be improved by an Ai?

[@russellmania5349]

More tracking to sell you stuff that you don't want or need of course.

[@maodebo3301]

@@russellmania5349 :(

[@samsebin7895]

Maybe if the ai could detect the private version of windows and then do something on it. :⁠-⁠(

[@CesareVesdani]

Is Windows 12 for real? How can this be? Windows 11 is barely 2 year old.

[@abhijitha.a]

is ryzen 5 7520u has ai core streams and supports Win12

[@ford1546]

Hello. I don't like microsoft coming out with windows 12 so fast. Windows 11 was disliked by many especially because of the hardware compatibility. Now many have managed to install Windows 11. Many have just start learned Windows 11. People have also got all the hardware working and installed all the software they want. When windows 12 comes out, there are guaranteed to be some compatibility problems with hardware and software people like to use! We don't need new windows so quickly. Neither technically nor in terms of safety. Many people also like to update their computer more than they use it!! What we need instead is classic start menu from windows 7 and a properly transparent taskbar where we can adjust how transparent we want it to be. And rounded corners on the Taskbar. All this so we don't have to use (roundedTB) (translucentTB) (open shell menu) More opportunity to customize how windows work! Windows 11 is less pretty straight out of the box!! we don't need a new windows 12. microsoft is not kind to users

[@floycewhite6991]

Classic start menu. Hear hear!

[@redstone0234]

I don't care about AI bullshit I just want a os that works!

[@AndersHass]

Biggest issue with Windows 11 is system requirements which I doubt will be improved by 12

[@FriedrichII1712]

They probably will further increase them

[@AndersHass]

@@FriedrichII1712 I think the main thing that will change is the supported CPUs start from even newer generations, lol

[@TomSmith-sr2br]

Windows is becoming a dumb terminal spyware os.

[@ownzuall]

lol my IT still struggles delivering Win11 on all the machines, one coworker got win11 update a month ago while most of us did not. So rip IT I guess

[@junaidwarsi498]

Windows 10 was the last version of Windows but... we are seeing W12😅

[@leonid3312]

XP and 7 were excellent, and the 10 is... not bad: it's stable, but the multi-language keyboard support really sucks... Hope that the 12 will improve this issue...

[@3PurpleSquirrels]

I would ues windows 11 if it had a taskbar and not a app tray and if it had any benefit over 10. Looks like i we running 10 untill it stops getting update.

[@maksymiliank5135]

AI should be a feature that you can opt in, but knowing how microsoft pushes their features on their users, it probably will be very hard to disable without modifying the registry. Just like the annoying bing search in the start menu. Maybe the Pro version will have a gui option to disable it. The telemetry, ads and data collection have become so invasive in Windows. it really sucks. I still use Windows 11 for games, and because it's user friendly, and I like the UI, but I don't like the direction microsoft is heading. I tried to disable all of the bloat and telemetry with tronscript a while ago, but i'm still not sure how effective it was. If this trend continues I'm going to consider switching to something like MX Linux or manjaro.

[@hermanwooster8944]

If they don't integrate AI properly, it will end up next to Cortana - in the dust heap.

[@henson2k]

AI integration will benefit Microsoft, not users. Users will pay for ChatGPT X instead.

[@Kor1134]

Win7? Good. Win8? Bad. Win10? Bad. Win11? Bad. Win12?

[@hercthx]

How about we get the update for11 working first lol.

[@jakeaurod]

Windows with AI will be like Windows Bob, where Bob's your uncle... a guardian who takes care of your needs and makes sure you don't stray... but also spies on you when you're expecting privacy. MS Uncle Bob will look over your shoulder to make sure you're not "violating DRM" by using torrents or copying mp3 or youtube videos, or playing with deepfakes or asking ChatGPT to do your homework for you.

[@derdodel7978]

i don't think AI would improve anything other than replacing the google search bar so you get an answer without clicking away 10 popups telling you to accept cookies and to turn off your adblocker. Systems like large language models lack the ability to comprehend, they just give you a combination of words that matches the patterns of whatever source they where trained on. The only place where AI is actually useful in it's current state, is graphics calculations and upscaling tech like DLSS. What i imagine Microsoft will want to do is use AI to track user activity even more. AI is just the new buzzword companys throw araound to impress shareholders.

[@gijbuis]

Do we need Windows 12? Did we need Windows 11? No! and No! Microsoft just wanted to install more spyware and make it more difficult for users to avoid their spyware. Microsoft wants to control your computer online. Even though you have purchased Windows (or your computer supplier has purchased Windows for you) Microsoft is not happy with that. Ultimately they want to retain total control over your computer so that they can shut down Windows on your computer if you don't comply with their new rules. The new rules will ultimately mean that you cannot buy Windows any more - you can only rent it from Microsoft...

[@vilin8r]

@4:46 - Windows 2000 isn't listed! I used it for my home PC. It did work pretty good!

[@derickbartlett1714]

Yeah.. I'm not sold on the whole AI thing at least in its current usage. But I'm fairly certain I'm done with Windows. Tried Windows 11 a few times. Didn't like it at all. From the UI to the spyware and performance degradation it felt like Vista all over.

[@billlyell8322]

If they shove ai down my throat in version 12 especially if I don't easily have FULL control of it, then I'll go back to Linux permently! I'm past sick and tired of corporations thinking they can do whatever the hell they want with my property I have paid for.

[@hykok]

Not sure how good a reception will be if it requires a Microsoft account to interact with the Windows Desktop AI. If they make interaction anonymous, that is probably most preferred. They should also do better job cleaning up residues of temp files which is notorious slowing down the desktop.

[@fredreed2001]

No It's time to move on from Windows 11. Windows 11 is a total waste of time. What makes you think that Microsoft will actually release another OS like windows 12 less buggy not going to happen. Windows 11 is still full of bugs some of those bugs are still there since day 1. Developing an OS takes time which for some reason doesn't seem to take affect which microsoft. Microsoft needs to hire educated Programmers not these idiots who are from clown school.

[@fredflintstone505]

Windows 11 is bad. It does everything Vista and 8 got blasted for. i.e. Burying frequently used features deep into submenus and trying to cater to touch and alienating desktop users in the process. That equals bad.

[@KeithHeinrich]

Do we need a new version of Windows? 10 and 11 both work fine and do what people need with adequate performance and security. AI is the new marketing buzz word. Its going to be that irritating paper clip rebranded.

[@bk.dannaa]

bro what are they doing. windows 11 is so botched rn like fix this and make it available for EVERYONE and EVERY PC first then we'll talk about windows 12

[@mrtuk4282]

I prefer Linux, an OS that is just an OS, nothing more and nothing less. Just a stable secure OS for whatever software I want to run on it. I don't want Skynet on my computer !

[@JosephM101]

What about the people that need to use Windows, but don't need or want all of this AI crap? What if you just want your computer to be a computer, and for everything else to stay the hell out of the way? Hopefully Wine and other Windows compatibility layers start getting better on Linux, and with the Valve Steam Deck being such a major success, it might just start happening soon. Here's hoping...

[@michaeleber4752]

My kids use Windows for doing homework assignments from school. I use it for playing games and buying stuff. AI has no place in my operating system.