Serral vs Clem - StarCraft 2 World Championship 2024 - Grand Finals

[@WinterStarcraft]

Thank you for watching. I'm not sure what the future holds for SC2, but I hope to always bring you good games for the fans. Please use this comment as a SPOILER COMBAT SHIELD (and also recommend me other great series to cast!)

[@WookofWallstreet]

Hey hey ho ho zerg has got too go

[@leredrasscul]

gee that sure was an exciting match that one of the players won or maybe the other one did or maybe it was a draw. who knows?

[@marblepie7904]

Serral Hero was beautiful

[@lukesdewhurst]

Your a legend mate

[@Icytouched1337]

@WinterStarcraft Looks like you're gonna have to update Clem's card frame very soon 🎉😊

[@Division05]

Can we just appreciate "the frenchman assassinates the queens. A revolutionary idea..." Are you kiddin me? He just whipped that out?! :D

[@TheHalogen131]

He whips it out every time. I like Winter's commentary, but his jokes are as stale, as croutons.

[@teddanville6996]

@@TheHalogen131 some people never heard that joke from winter. It's a shame if he has to invent new jokes only to use it in 1 video only.

[@oldoddjobs]

​@@TheHalogen131Stand-up comedians tour their 15 minutes for a whole year

[@ferjavm]

love his comments xD

[@Refirrus]

Pure perfection 😂

[@Alloran]

I don't think I've ever seen Terran played that well against a Zerg playing optimal starcraft. That game three especially, Clem really did put on a show.

[@FinoClips]

Unbelivable... 5 GAMES AGAINST SERRAL. This is historic, amazing games to both player and congratulations to Clem

[@screes620]

Clem beat him 3-0 earlier in this same tournament. So he effectively beat Serral 8-0.

[@richardly1543]

8*

[@growtocycle6992]

And yet, there is a very good chance that clem would lose to Maru. Different play strengths and weaknesses

[@Twiixq]

@@growtocycle6992 Different matche up* and Clem managed to beat Maru 2 times last year (1 bo5 and 1 bo3, and once in an offline event..), and as Clem said, his main goal in Korea was to train his TVT. So he could have destroyed Maru as well.

[@ferjavm]

@@growtocycle6992 or to Dark, his play style is a lot different from anyone, but Clem can beat him too, but is the wild card xD

[@GoodEggGuy]

"Frenchman assassinates the queens... revolutionary thought." Sacrebleu, we love your commentary, Winter!

[@Martin_likes_beer]

Clem just played the best Starcraft I've ever watched. Just incredible. It's insane that Serral pretty much looked lost the entire time

[@longaugust]

I don't really watch SC2, this just popped up on my feed. This Clem guy is pretty good.

[@chensel65]

@@longaugust He beat the BBEG. Serral has pretty much dominated the game for years, so this came as a shocker.

[@Nuurix]

@@chensel65 I would not say it came as a shocker considering he 3:0 Serral in the same tourney already, but yes the level of play clem showed in this tournament in general was insanely shocking.. I have never seen such a perfect terran player in watching SC2 since 2011, its unbelievable how fast and perfect he played. Crazy to realise that even after all these years we still get new talent that even outreaches the greatest of the greatest. I hope he can keep this level of play for years to come, because I would love to see him enter the goat debate eventually.

[@karma5140]

How all he did was cheese the drop ship and marines that pretty stupid and boring and needs to be nerfed.

[@Martin_likes_beer]

@@karma5140 haha we got a butthurt zerg overhere ^^

[@DroppinBombzonYoMomz]

BIGGEST MATCH IN THE 14 YEAR HISTORY OF SC2 LETS GO

[@RoboticsBay]

Blissful ignorance

[@DroppinBombzonYoMomz]

@@RoboticsBay i was being sarcastic.

[@Twiixq]

@@DroppinBombzonYoMomz Why sarcastic ? it is indeed the biggest match of the history of sc2, because of the highest prize pool ever ^^

[@luishurtado2170]

Clem optimizing his APM along in addition to it being quite high already shows results. Talk about game balance all you want, Clem was microing several fights at once. Unbelievable skill you can see it in his face, the intense focus that guy has, truly amazing.

[@TheBigEmstos]

That’s the problem though. When Terran is played to this level (Clem is unbelievably good), the other races just cannot really do anything. The skill potential of MMM and ghosts is too high that in the right hands, it renders Terran overpowered, but only if the Terran is good enough

[@displacedicon7643]

​@@TheBigEmstos Agreed basically... The Terran skill ceiling is higher than the other two races due to the higher movement speed, the faster fire rates and the general strength of individual units. Clem is just the best Terran right now and the only one who has reached the point where his skill ceiling is higher than the maximum potential of the other races. Meaning that unless he's caught blindsided while playing at that level its pretty much impossible for him to lose to a non-terran.

[@keizan5132]

You talk about speed but zerg has the fastest units.

[@displacedicon7643]

@@keizan5132 Okay, let me specify ranged units that run faster than any other while under stim while most of them also have an extremely fast firing speed allowing for even more micro. In case you needed specification if you though some protoss units or zerg units were using stim. This is mainly since ranged units in general have more micro ability with things like stutter stepping and kiting. And I was also meaning the maneuverability of medivacs aswell for reference which is possibly a bigger part of the higher skill ceiling since they are the fastest transport with their boost plus are massed more and help heal. But I have no qualms with the healing or boost since all transports are unique.

[@yugonostalgia8961]

@@keizan5132 It's because Banelings were designed as the 'counter' to marines. Except... They are melee range and Blizzard clearly didn't expect players to get good enough to target fire them down. Especially since their HP was nerfed

[@henryviiifake8244]

This has to be the single highest-level match of SC2 in _history._ *The Kid vs The G.O.A.T* was guaranteed to be a banger! 👏

[@genesisone6725]

GOATs don't lay eggs...

[@beyondthedetails]

Serial can't be considered the GOAT any longer losing 5-0

[@hydraxc2478]

​@@beyondthedetailsIt's true. Nobody can take away that he was the GOAT until this game. He's still the best Zerg, but Clem is at an all time best again.

[@beyondthedetails]

@@hydraxc2478 Yep!

[@danielsmith5079]

@@beyondthedetails serrall just can't practice enough right now and thats fine. Once he's very familiar with that his opponents are doing recentley he will be fine but he just needs to be more aware of the current strategies for people like clem

[@matthewbader2003]

You’re a legend Winter. Keep up the great work.

[@KingKongWorld]

Hero crushed the entire lower bracket (2-0, 2-0, 2-0, 3-1). He seemed unstoppable. Serral crushed the Korean Zerg final boss Dark by 4-0 (at this point Serral also seemed untouchable). Serral was at the peak of his art. Hero was at his best's. Maybe Hero could beat Serral, who knows... In the end the real big boss revealed himself, Clem beat both of them (3-0, 4-0 and 5-0). The Final was not the result of chance or luck, Clem is simply the new King of SC2.

[@carlosvaldez3093]

it was pure skill but haters will still say balance and ignore the fact that Maru was in this tournament and got his ass dominated by Serral. another thing, this tournament has A LOT OF TERRAN players who joined but ONLY CLEM manages to get through ----- but haters will still say its balance lol

[@corelleague8132]

@@carlosvaldez3093 Nah. Clem is a beast! He plays near perfect! I cant even imagine something he isnt doing right. But the thing is... The same goes for Serral. You cant say, with a straight face, that Serral is a bad player. Hell, Serral could have had a bad day that day. But no, i think both players are amazing and legends in SC2. And i will even admit that Clem is better than Serral. He clearly is. But i think that the races have different ceilings. Terran has more to play with than Zerg, or protoss for that matter. A Terran can be anywhere, any time, with anything. They heal their units, they are the most cost efficient ever. And MULES? 5 workers ish per mule. Which late game is an unlimited resource. Zerg cant keep up with this, and neither can protoss. Terran has more cost effecient fights and a better economy, better harrasment, and a better defence at home. Would you rather have a tank or a queen defend your base? Through game 2-3 here, you can se Serral doing everything right. Vipers, infestors, banes are even hitting, splitting zerglings that get targeted by mines. Upgrades are kinda similar. But still, absolutely rolled. Yes, Clem is better. He showed that this match. But he is getting some drag help. BUT, a player needs to be good enough to utelize that help. Something Clem absolutely is.

[@blue-phoenix115]

I've never seen Serral so helpless and frustrated against an opponent.

[@NecronIsGood]

I was watching this live with a bunch of people and we were all just like this game makes Terran feel so stupidly imba (it is not just this game but our own)

[@kracao]

@@NecronIsGood correction, Clem is imba but not terrans. In the semi-final there were 2 zerg, 1 protoss and only 1 terran. And Serral was 13-1 agaisn't Maru .

[@oldfrend]

@@NecronIsGood for real, serral should submit this to harstem's is it imba or do i suck.

[@khultarratluhk1849]

@@NecronIsGood Terran created to give the feeling to the player that they are intelligent against others, you can counter almost everything with 50 mineral costed marines. GG right?

[@nhieljeff2156]

​​@@khultarratluhk1849 im sure you'd fare better than maru when against serral then.

[@jeffreyrook8073]

That 1 marine, 1 medivac micro was just hilarious

[@Twiixq]

Man i was going crazy like, "Are you serious ? That far in the game with others army to manage you got time to micro THIS one marine ??"

[@TheHalogen131]

@@Twiixq And it wasn't futile! That Hero Marine had at least 8 kills before he died!

[@jeffreyrook8073]

@@TheHalogen131 That's the best part. I naturally thought it was just an exercise in "see how fast I can click", but Clem gradually made it obvious that when he's doing something, it's because it's not pointless. Christ, I've thought for a while Gumiho might be catching up to him a bit in micro, but Clem in top form is just disrespectful.

[@joseluismedinaponce7945]

can u link time? plz!

[@MiseryIncognito]

@@joseluismedinaponce794518:45 18:45

[@daszveroboy]

The longer Clem's hair is, the better he plays. Is he a saiyan? It was truly the highest level terran gameplay I've ever seen. Keep going kid, you'll go into the history books if you keep playing like this. Only Reynor was somewhat able to cope with Clem's speed and took a couple maps from him, otherwise it was as one-sided as it could get

[@attractivegd9531]

Samson!

[@daszveroboy]

@@attractivegd9531 so, Serral just need to bring scissors next time they meet

[@Gitalien1]

Game 4 was impressive. 57:05 Look at the map control...

[@Grégoire_abc]

Maxpax is good too to beat Clem! I believe, Clem is OP in TvZ.

[@soulshock210]

No he is not a Saiyan he's just a plain human

[@faridmk3707]

The best thing about these series is their unpredictability. You never know if it will be TvZ, ZvT, TvT or ZvZ in the grand finals.

[@geuros]

Well yeah. Protoss have exactly 2 players that could get to the finals, but one of them doesn't play offline events... That kinda lowers the chances despite herO wiping the floor with everyone except Clem the whole tournament.

[@danielzanotelli5800]

@@geurosexecept clem and serral*

[@bigstreetguns6619]

Well maybe the protoss race only has two strong players because it's underpowered. Ever think about that? @@geuros

[@pauldraper1736]

@@geuros and why is that do you think?

[@IsaacFNghost]

@@bigstreetguns6619No. Not underpowered lol 😂

[@efegokselkisioglu8218]

Clem played spectacularly. Look at the way he target fired banelings

[@Eveseptir]

Not only did Serral roll over for Clem 8 games in a row, he also took out Dark. Not saying Dark would have beaten Clem at his best like this, but he did 3-0 him just a few weeks ago. Clem's play was insane though, GG champ.

[@keizan5132]

In wht tournament? I'd bet it wasn't nearly as important. He was clearly saving himself for this one. Serral was 3-0ed by Neeb JUST BEFORE his glorious run at Blizzcon in 2018, happens all the time. It means nothing.

[@Rws4Life]

@@keizan5132 In the group stages of the same tournament

[@panner11]

@@keizan5132 this one lol

[@Talyrion]

@@panner11 As far as I can tell, Clem only played Classic, Hero, Reynor and Serral (twice) in this tournament. Dark wasn't in the same group as him, and got (as mentionned) knocked out by Serral in semi-final.

[@pelinore2366]

@@Rws4Life no, he asked in what tournament Dark 3-0ed clem recently, and answer is: in a very minor tournament. They haven't met in EWC.

[@MrFunkhauser]

Its unreal the amount of damage and production they've had after only 10 minutes gametime

[@brendandavies9270]

"Serral hasn't lost a single game in a premier tournament final this year." I haven't dropped one in my life, what a scrub

[@nathanmays7926]

On a related note, my college has never lost a football game

[@dunngyllite7883]

It would be an understatement to say "This - I didn't expect" Gratz to the Kid, that was a well deserved victory.

[@therealjta]

Clem is a fucking monster

[@thdjjfsfh]

Yeah, he played like demi-god in this series.

[@RyuFelinshire]

Clem really at his peak here. Amazing series from him.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Yeah, insane skill level.

[@stalwart56k]

Look at that dope sport coat! I love it that Winter wears a jacket when casting grand finals.

[@adamhubbert8896]

I KNEW IT! Literally the world championship match between the goat and maybe the best current player and you couldn't stop yourself from talking about Dark.

[@redpyramidthing6586]

I remember a time where it was Zest after he went into military service

[@TowerSavant]

Half the time here on Earth, it's Dark.

[@michaelgroves6468]

But Dark is the greatest of all time. Just ask Dark.

[@ferjavm]

@@michaelgroves6468 true hahahaha

[@miza6]

Makes sense this is a main dark channel

[@genehenson8851]

I’m glad you got this so quick. I watched live but like hearing your comments on it anyway.

[@byrondanielvilladamagana5828]

It was amazing, the casters were speechless of the outcome.

[@brillmongo]

Probably cuz they finally realized how OP Terran truly is, 8-0 against Serral is ridiculous. What’s the point playing any other race than Terran at this point?

[@byrondanielvilladamagana5828]

@@brillmongo you didnt see anything and know nothing regardless the races, do you even know who serral is or clem or maru?

[@kninenolia]

Clem with Terran needs a nerf, his micro is insane. My only complaint is you never see clem do anything other than bio and still can't be stopped. It seems bio in his hands is nearly unstoppable if he is peaking. I'd like to see them fix it up a bit more. No shade clem deserved this win and I think he us so good he would be good at any comp

[@robinramkhalawan468]

​@@kninenolianot everyone is clem by nerfing makes it harder for normal players

[@manningbartlett522]

Terran is not OP. Observe how often Serral has destroyed Maru and other Terrans this year. Also Clem is not OP, he has just studied Serral better than anyone else in the history of the game. Note that Reynor took 2 games from Clem in a BO5, so he is not invincible. Clem came into this championship on the gamble that he would meet Serral at the end (which was a very reasonable gamble) and he knows how Serral plays better than anyone else in the game right now. And his strategy paid off massively.

[@BinxyBrown]

This was a crazy set of games. These players are both godlike

[@grifono3317]

I'm 16 but I've been playing for less than a year so I don't think I'll ever get to those levels but thank you Winter for the opportunity to see these amazing games with the best caster ever

[@lightdx7008]

Reynor started quite young and become one of the youngest pro zerg player players. Is posible to become great from very young, bu most of them had some more experience before getting pro. You are pretty young so is possible you get at this level with serious dedication and maybe some couching. Of course, this kind of level require some talent, but that can bloom any day as long you are on this.

[@iweber95]

The level of play in this series is absolutely insane.

[@zypher779]

Props to the all that involved in making sc2 great in the last few years. Thanks riyadh for hosting sc2 and all the caster and also players that participate in the EWC tournament.

[@JarvisValko]

Watched it live today - still eager to watch Winters casting immediately

[@petercoderch589]

I am primarilly a WC3 player, but the title caught my attention. Wow. I obviously knew who Serral was, but I never heard of this player before. I think the last big series of Serral that I watched was Vs Maru, when Serral won pretty handily. The impression that I have here is that Serral got out-microed. Truly incredible control from this player. So many favorable trades. Zerg I guess the most RTS race in SC2(which makes it the most RTS race, period), so Clam played a very aggressive harrassment game and didn't allow Serral to unfold his game. WP by the winner!

[@INS1cells]

Clem 8-0 Serrals after Serral 13-1 Maru in their 3 recent match ups. We can put the Maru GOAT debate to bed.

[@babayigit.D]

Also maru 29-12 clem in total.

[@jkkim6928]

so Clem > Serral > Maru > Clem?

[@Icytouched1337]

​@@jkkim6928Ouroboros confirmed?

[@adminsaify]

U cannot be a goat if u lost like that Clem is just better now. Maru lost hardly vs Cure which is a slow version of Clem.

[@LorisEnsatzuken]

@@adminsaify And Clem had no strong terran in his road this tournament which are his absolute worst matchup. Having bad chemistry versus one specific player doesn't wash away all the previous achievements (else Maru would have never been in the goat talk). The goat in most sports (and esports) all had losses (sometimes crushing ones) during their career, it's not a title meaning "undefeated" it's a title for who impacted the game the most while being extremely successful. Clem has a long road ahead before be considered in the talk for the title, this is his start of it.

[@handsomeblackman255]

Serral is the Sonic Foxx of StarCraft.

[@JurijLasic]

IT BARELY FINISHED XD and the cast is here already, you HAD to immediately start casting it once it was done lololol

[@travistobiassen7514]

Winter has filled the void created by the absence of Day 9 casting many years ago. He is making SC2 fun to watch again.

[@WizardyDylan]

clem went 2 rax on every map that he could heavily delay the 3rd base, i dont think its a coincidence that those are the maps that serral went for roach pushes. serral does things that make sense and clem had the read on it. (is what it looks like from where i'm sitting!)

[@Great_Cambeno]

Ngl the winter sports coat casts are the premier KZbin gaming casts. It’s disrespectful they don’t ask to him to cast for these tournaments. Best caster by far. Lowko is ok, but winter is the best

[@Devillionaire]

@@Great_Cambeno Winter is super entertaining but his insight into the game isn’t anywhere near on the same level as say Pig. Which is why Pig casts huge tourneys like this.

[@keyes8495]

Biggest match in history. Clem toppling the best SC2 player of all time is such a stunner.

[@surferdude7679]

What a dominant performance. Serral has been on the other side of this for so many series and tournaments. Wp.

[@ProfKisuto]

Marines have to be the most cost per value / strength in the game. They are just too effective and versatile at every phase of the game.

[@pauldraper1736]

Stalkers come close

[@ProfKisuto]

Also can someone explain why he didn’t get some corrupters to shoot down some med vacs? They went unchallenged the whole series

[@GeoaxeYo]

@@ProfKisuto Corrupters can't shot down, marines and ghost will eat them alive. Serral tried with Hydras.

[@pinkopallino4796]

@@ProfKisuto serral had his problems trying to contain clem making ground units.... making corruptors costs money / larvas/ combat unit space (so less zerglings, hydras, less anything), if you do that at the wrong time it will for sure cost you the game..... but even if you kill some medivacs it could be not your victory, a zerg with a lot of corruptors but few gorund units will lose to a terran with a lot of bios even with no meds. The costant pressure clem made was mostly to not let zerg freely using the tools at his disposal. In the end, if the best zerg in the world didn't consider it i think we at least should think that he didn't "forgot" a unit, it just considered it not a viable solution. He is a human being and could be in the wrong obviously, but i can assume an obvious strategy like that, in the sooooo many games he played, he tried it and it wasn't worth it.

[@BulDurham]

@@pauldraper1736 just what they cost gas and shoot peas lol

[@davemountford748]

"Operation Overlord" - so brilliant. Also the name of the D-Day invasion of the allies into France, so the joke just worked so well! Love it.

[@anthony.catbagan]

Its cliché but it needs to be posted here. Serral understands how it feels to be "Serral'd"

[@georgewashington1414]

1:03:45 - 1:03:49 you are a man of great sophistication and knowledge. Your Costco analogy is on par with the greats like Shakespeare and Plato

[@themud7736]

(Reads title) I wonder if this is a Serral vs. Clem match (Serral shown) That was obvious (Terran CC shown) Yep, it's Clem

[@n7shepard913]

Legendary Bo9! Clem is insane! and yet Serral was playing very well but totaly surpass by the lighspeed execution of Clem and his global vision. incredible

[@Honyakusha]

I felt violated after watching this series.

[@josey_8204]

Looks like he's the clèm of the crop. What a brutal takedown of a series.

[@lairdofgarscaddon]

Clem made terrain look so goddamn op. I wonder how Serral will evolve from this?

[@displacedicon7643]

Honestly, I don't think he can. I think he's pretty close to the skill ceiling for Zerg it's just the Terran skill ceiling is higher so when both played to perfection Terran will almost always win its just Clem is the first Terran to approach the Terran skill ceiling.

[@thefalsehero]

@@displacedicon7643 The sad part is, I don't even think Clem is approaching the Terran skill ceiling. Only a literal computer AI programmed to micro each individual unit can achieve that, which is sadly outside the realm of possibility due to natural human limitations.

[@panner11]

Kinda funny watching Serral win 5 of the last 7 premier tournaments which includes this loss, but people think the sky is falling and terran can't be beaten anymore.

[@6ixpool520]

​@@panner11 not terran. Just the *best* terran. Clem is gonna get terran nerfed, the same way serral got Zerg nerfed

[@panner11]

@@6ixpool520 the best terran was in all the other tournaments this year too. It's not smart to think someone can't be beaten from one result.

[@zach358]

Idk, I've seen Serral play better. He made basically zero anti air to cripple the medivacs and didn't really did any split pushes or pincer attacks to break up Clem's army.

[@1wayroad935]

A feature length grand finals? Awesome!

[@wilshireanasurimbor3068]

Wow, not even close. Never seen either of them look like that, very well done.

[@Markty07]

I had an angioma on my hand and it pretty much looked like a zerg building in construction.

[@RatreoTumips-ig8lg]

ouch. take care man

[@Markty07]

@@RatreoTumips-ig8lg thanks, but it's gone now. It went away on its own

[@Pafdanslemuseau]

i'm so happy for clem ! i've seen him 10 years ago at a local lan (yes he was really young ) and he shocked me ... He was playing with his dad and sister i guess it's a family thing ^^ . bravo clément t'es le meilleur !!

[@BuddyWudzyn]

Watched it life and watching it again now. Watching sc2 from the first GSL, that was the best I have ever seen anyone play ever from Clem, it made it seem like serral was playing poorly, but it wasn’t! Serral played well, Clem was just absolutely out of his mind with his multitasking and micro

[@Midnight_Cereal-x9u]

The way clem played. It was suffocating opponent with his efficiency that there is no way to counter his play. Amazing play by clem

[@kapilavastuvasin]

You and PiG are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better casters than Tasteless and Artosis. I watched this first on the official channel with Artosis and tasteless commenting and they literally did ZERO in game commentary, just talking what serral must do to win/clem must do to win, how good they are and spend half of one game analyzing moves of the prior game and being completely clueless about what is going on, literally having moments like 'serral is finally stabilizing he should be stable now--->yeah he is dead in 15 more seconds'. I seriously hope they use you and PiG as casters in next championships, because you two are excellent real time commentators who actually call the game for whats going on, what the plan is, etc instead of just sounding like post game analysts and fanboys talking about how x is so good and y is so good etc.

[@Medabg88]

People whine about zerg nerfs, it doesnt work when serral slaps all the top terrans around this tournament. Except for clem. Who destroys him completely. Just accept he was better that week. Im not fan of either, just objectively, when you lose 8 straight maps, its not a competition, its owning.

[@RFKG]

This series gave me a very Bisu vs Savior vibes. A zerg so dominant for so much time not even understanding why they were losing. Glorious

[@crowlsyong]

I love this announcer. Haven't watched StarCraft II in years but im 30 minutes into this video, in large part because this announcer fella is keeping me in the loop and has a great vibe. cheers everyone!

[@Patrick-ng1vg]

In a climactic battle to determine the fate of the Korprulu Sector, Broodmother Serral clashes with Comander Clem for the fates of key worlds for staging grounds. Will commander Clem be able to rid these worlds of Zerg infestation? Or will Broodmother Serral be able to crush these Terrans under the weight of the swarm? Find out on this edition of ESL FINALS!

[@lightdx7008]

Wow. Serral started to look like an unmovable force sitting on the very top of this game for quite a while, so it became very rare to see him even lose 1 game, but Clem somehow manage to kick him out from his spot in this tournement. Both of them played marevelous. Tbh, i'm unsure if Clem just reached the next level or Serral had a slighly bad week only which while was very hard to notice for anyone who isn't around Clem level so he managed to take advantage of it.

[@choncis8318]

I just watched the original stream but I needed to watch with commentary from Winter 😎

[@byrondanielvilladamagana5828]

X2

[@jeremymezzano7911]

To beat Serral so convincingly... I never thought I'd see this. And Winter's commentary matched Clem's perfect play. Great video!

[@bigstreetguns6619]

Thank god no protoss in the finals. They're winning everything left and right and I'm sick and tired of that.

[@alanepley4326]

Well done Winter, you truly are the Clem of SC casters

[@DistortionStudio]

Ngl i know clem is playing spectacularly but the insane amount of flexibility and scans is making it very hard to not hate Terrans.

[@thefalsehero]

People like me who've known this since release are finally getting vindicated?

[@anonihme5142]

terrans hadn’t won world cup since 2016, only one terran in top 4 this year. not sure why you’d hate them

[@loucahoornaert6013]

I mean serral just 13/1 Maru so i dont know if you can really hate on Terran

[@DistortionStudio]

@@loucahoornaert6013 i get that and im definitely ass at this game, but it's hard to see how you can justify the insane flexibility and micro with Terran medevacs, widow mines, tanks, banshees, ghosts especially, etc. like it just seems oppressive and incredibly hard to break. Especially when the ghosts just like... One shot all the super expensive units like vipers, queens, ultras, etc.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@anonihme5142 because most of them suck when compared to those that won. And it's mostly because they have their broken race to thank for that that wins them games without requiring much skill.

[@drakorez]

36:05 I had the exact same reaction here. 1) Clem defended very well and is ahead. 2) Oh wait, there are more reinforcements. 3) Oh, never mind. There is a tank. :)

I love Clem as a player but the Hive has my heart. Lets go, Serral! You got this!

[@mendez.g]

I haven't finished watching yet I just had to pause and comment and say you're the greatest caster...! "This message brought to you by Big Queen" You never fail to crack me up. Thank you for the great entertainment Winter!

[@salvocampoli]

Wtf incredible. It' already difficult to take a single game from Serral and he has defeated him 8-0 in this tournament. I've never seen noone left serral at 0 ever. This is strange, wtf happened to Clem? You can destroy Dark, Hero, Reynor and everyone else, we know that he can do that, but destroy in this way Serral it's strange...

[@herofunnytv7721]

i think 99% team Liquid bought serral, 1% serral is sick. he can't lose like that, i fought serral many times I THINK THIS GRAND FINALS - Esports World Cup IS FRAUDULENT

[@atifarshad7624]

​@@herofunnytv7721rediculous. They would've had to pay him atleast $250000 dollars (since that's the gap between 1st place and 2nd place prize money) if that was ever the case. Which is stupid.

Well the balance defeated serral. Game is in shit state right now. If terran is played correctly it cant loose.

[@ThisProgram]

Been listening/watching your SC2 content for years. And it keeps...getting...better. Especially love your in-character; Brenda and gang, changeling "5 by 5, am I right?" etc.

[@aaronmoravek]

As a zerg player I think we need to give clem his flowers, but I'm going to be honest. I hope he doesn't 5-0 the zerg player next year.

[@agustingallero1590]

So your meta message, is that zerg s been nerfed many times, mabye cuz of Serral?

[@shaydenprime275]

@agustingallero1590 stop yapping so much you salty zerg fanboy. Cant even read a comment...

[@aaronmoravek]

@@agustingallero1590 I don't know. I remember when startail bomber would stream down marines while doing perfect marine splits and I would think that this was unfair because I couldn't see a way for zerg to counter it. Now I know that it wasn't so easy to do at the time. But serral has been winning a lot so I wouldn't think it's a problem until the games get boring. I thought spider mines were a problem but the games were real close back then between serral and Clem.

[@Memphis_ritz]

Winter’s casting is hilarious. I used to be an avid watcher for years but I’ve been away from SC for like 6 years. Glad to see he’s still at it

[@jessejames5452]

Idk why but this broke my heart. I know Clem is amazing and all but damn. Didn’t see that coming. Felt like it was gana come down to the wire

[@JakeLeonardPhoto]

I really wish Starcraft would make a comeback with it's esports scene. Watching old Blizzcons and seeing those stages just brings a tear to my eye. Hopefully the Esports World Cup is enough to revitalize it, even a little.

[@aidantvhead]

Clearly ghosts are OP and need to be gutted... maybe split the emp and snipe into 2 different units, or just remove one. A single unit (ghosts) counter the whole zerg race. They counter casters and all late game units...

[@benismann]

get rid of the cloak maybe? If we're taking something away

[@keizan5132]

Serral 13-1ed Maru this year including a 3-1 in this tournament and you're talking balance? Absolute idiots.

[@keizan5132]

Serral 13-1ed Maru this year including a 3-1 in this tournament, and you're talking balance?

[@aidantvhead]

@@keizan5132 your telling me it's balanced to have 1 unit counter a whole race??? Please explain why that is fair

[@keizan5132]

@@aidantvhead Dude, look at the results of this tournament. Only one terran in a final four that had TWO ZERGS, where Hero got there beating a Terran. How can Terran ever be imbalanced when it literally got crushed in the EWC except for Clem?

[@dark0knight490]

Incredible level of Terran. I am not a fan of Clem.... But now he became one of the greatest.. Respectful and strong. Clem, take my cheers.

[@Roguedeus]

I sense a *balance* patch in the near future...

Yeah, buffing terran.....

[@a33262]

Winter made a Hockey reference! We as Canadians now claim him for team Canada.

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

I can't believe Clem is on final. He finally overcame 1 thing prevented him from being greatest Terran currently (which is him keep fumbling in big offline tournament due to pressure and anxiety). Maybe it is time for Maru to hand over his title as best Terran player.

[@hydraxc2478]

It's been time. Maru is my favorite player, but he's number 2 Terran right now. And has been for some time.

[@oldoddjobs]

He already won in Dallas

[@JJEMTT]

Never seen any of your vids or casting before but you're very good! Only 4 mins in but I'm already sold. Keep up the great work!

[@Jet-ij9zc]

Guys serral made it to the finals again, I think we need to nerf infestors and buff ghost

[@memb.]

add stim pack to ghosts

[@christopherscott6383]

🎉🎉😮Yes!!! JIMMY!, It's Winter casting SC2 ✨️ Between Serral and Clem! Let's Go

[@Jaryism]

Clem just finessed on Serral, dude was on fire 🔥 …

[@bobkerman9818]

Oh come on, at 1:09:15 there's like 10 minutes remaining so it's a done deal

[@Quin.Bioinformatics]

Has everyone noticed that nerfing the things which counter terran bio was like buffing terran bio?

[@benismann]

Nah i think we gotta take another 5 hp off banes

[@Quin.Bioinformatics]

@@benismann terrancraft, the 1 race game that nobody likes

[@essen9329]

How was that freaking possible. Insane. The best player in the world, outplayed.

One word. BALANCE!

[@DotteeG]

Clem about to get MMM nerfed just like ByuN did with the Reapers....

[@matiashamalainen7965]

Blizz will only touch the MMM when there are multiple terrans able to abuse it to the end like in these games. Until then they'll just resort to nerfing ghost so that there will be at least some end game options.

[@atifarshad7624]

MMM doesn't need nerfing. Otherwise you distrupt early game balance, which for the most part is pretty decent. The ghosts are what should (and will likely be) nerfed. 2 supply for Ghost is too little and it should br 3 imho.

[@maba6315]

Unbelievable. The first game set the tone, inhuman, perfection. 🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@Davidirawatts]

Players by race in tournament Terran 9, Zerg 4, Protoss 3, conclusion clearly Terran needs a nerf, undisputedly. Players making it to semi finals Terran 1, Zerg 2, Protoss 1, conclusion despite having an overwhelming majority of Terrans, they cant compete at the top level, Terran clearly a weaker race. Finals: Terran beats Zerg 5-0, conclusion, player skill through and through

[@carlosvaldez3093]

they are not ready for this talk lol. at day 3, terran players were ALMOST extinct while zerg players were sweeping/gentleman sweeping other races. Clem is just different.

[@Q_z_]

Additionally, people are complaining about balancing using the top 0.0(...)1% of players in the world as their metric, as if their games wouldn't qualify for BLH casts

[@xIcarus227]

@@Q_z_ this is exactly what killed this game and people don't even understand it. HotS launched the Widow Mine which seemed okay in pro play but was completely destroying the ladder. Half a year later the ladder is deserted and people don't understand why, while they're arguing about balance in the top 50 players that participate in tournaments. It's hilarious.

[@aaronburnett1131]

iv been watching competitive SC2 since wings.. Seen so many casters come and go. HD, Husky ECT.... I think you are the best one. You are very fun to watch!

[@bayernsupporter93]

Lets not forget..this was serral he was playing against. Mofucking serral...

[@marlonchosky]

My respects for Clem. Amazing player 🎉

[@dooomlerno720]

What does serial have to do differently to win? Is he the best still? I’m new to sc2 but I’m a big fan of serral. Painful to see it end like this. Gg to Clem tho he is seriously insane

[@Mudada91]

Nothing just because he lost doesn’t mean anything. This was a 50/50 game and could’ve went to either side of the coin in the toss. Clem just happened to get the right plays off at the right time. Name of the game.

[@DrLife121]

Clem is insanely good. He seems to be in better form than Serral rn. Takes nothing away from Serral. The guy outperformed Clem at the last two tournaments, is the most winningest, consistent player in sc2. It's just how it goes sometimes. Honestly, making second place at the world championships despite being actively fulfilling military service is a hell of an accomplishment. Clem was just better this week.

[@geuros]

Well, Clem has reached a whole new level. You heard it from Winter, this was by some margin the best performance and the highest level of SC2 ever achieved.

[@pauldraper1736]

Stop doing roach all-ins.

[@aaronmoravek]

Yeah, no one has any ideas. I'm at best a gold league zerg. Harstem might have a response to this question on his KZbin channel.

[@betlogboy3]

.. And the Grand Finals is no exception.. Jimmy!! - Man had us in the first half.. never change.

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

Snipe should do no dmg against big creatures, its insane. They are so oppressive. And no I'm not playing SC 2 anymore, but each time you see them on the field its so clear.

[@displacedicon7643]

Tbf I think its potentially a bigger problem like Terran bio as a whole. Faster units with range and healing, Terran does just straight up have a higher skill ceiling due to the faster fire rate and more micro able units opposed to both Protoss and Zerg. Which wasn't really a problem because no Terran had reached above the skill ceiling of the other races but I genuinely think that Clem is playing higher than the potential skill ceiling of the other races meaning as long as he doesn't get blindsided its quite possibly impossible for him to lose. Especially since as you've said units like Ghosts are just better in supply in every way to any unit in pretty much the game Especially against Zerg and non-Skytoss.

[@avepuella]

Or cost more energy or something. Goofy to see just infinite snipes.

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

@@avepuella yea counter too much while not having any hard counters. Their hp is ridiculously high for a human in a skin tight stealth suit you literally see nothing else but ghosts in end game and they compliment the already insanely strong MM combo as well

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

@@displacedicon7643 yea bio is already super strong, but when you add ghosts and give it to one of the best pro gamers it gets close to something that is impossible to defeat unless he makes a huge mistake Terran army comp just doesn't have any downsides that the other two have So either nerf ghosts or give a a counter to the other races to be able to deal with ghosts without losing half your army to snipe when terran armies are already the biggest thanks to mule economy

[@displacedicon7643]

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Yeah, its a tough balancing act because its kinda a problem with the mobility and versatility of Terran bio. I almost want to say Medivacs need a pickup nerf (maybe 2 units every 0.5 seconds so it'd take 2 seconds to pick up a full medivac) and reduce health of ghosts by 10-20 hp so the micro is only changed a bit inside of actual fights while lowering the maneuverability of what already is some of the fastest units in sc2 when stimmed.

[@bottlewishez7889]

Hats off to Clem. What an incredible feat.

[@shinyespeon3995]

God, Zerg units look absolutely helpless against MMM, Tanks and Ghosts.

[@danieloyarzun000]

They ARE. T is so BS and Imba

[@elgar7252]

@@danieloyarzun000 Serral: Dominating every for 2 years straight unchallenged World Championships in the last 7 years: 6 zergs, 1 terran Today, Terran finally wins another so Toss and Terran can have something These guys : REEEEEEEEEEEEE TERRAN IS SO BROKEN

[@displacedicon7643]

​@@elgar7252Tbf, this was a little different since normally there is something that could've been done better, e.g Maru normally being too greedy and gets rolled but as I'm sure everyone does know Serral is good, very good. Its no fault of Clem obviously blame the game not the player, basically the only problem I can really identify is basically the way Terran bio works as a whole if played perfectly should almost literally never lose. It's just that no one approached the skill ceiling for Terran no offense to the other Terran players but they simply are not and were not ever as fast or good at micro as Clem is. Terran has a higher skill ceiling than both Protoss and Zerg due to the micro ability of their units meaning that considering Terran does arguably also have the best 1:1 supply units a good enough player, only seen with Clem should be pretty much unbeatable.

[@keizan5132]

​@@displacedicon7643Still has a huge merrit, don't you think? That literally no one else, EVER, not even Maru has reached this level of gameplay. He's like Flash but with steroids.

[@displacedicon7643]

@@keizan5132 I agree, its no fault of his own. Rather its more like he is better than it was thought possible by blizzard. He is literally the first SC2 Terran player to reach this level really ever I mean if you watch other Terran players at their peak you could still point at mistakes or counter plays from the opponent but Serral just ran dry. Making someone as versatile as Serral stumped and pretty much helpless is an incredible feat.

[@zathrasyes1287]

This series should be called: "The Incredible Games" - Thx a lot!