SANGUINIUS SPARES KONRAD CURZE

Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here,
Today we continue our look at the conversation between Konrad Curze and Sanguinius. As we get a final glimpse of the true Konrad Curze beneath the Night Haunter.
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[@jeremybarbic6635]

I never realized how much emo the emperor had in him since Kurze and Corax represent part of him.

[@domtha566]

The Emperor is the embodtment of mankind. He holds all of the traits of mankind. The good, the negative, and the rest. He is simply the best of us.

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

dom tha and the worst of us

[@skywatcheradept]

When the Emperor made Curze and Corax he must have said: "Nevermore!"

[@Archon3960]

Yet, it has not been confirmed that the Primarchs are parts of the Emperor's psyche... and I love it !

[@URKCEHinoSuu]

There are speculations now that say that the Emperor went into the warp and made deals with lesser beings, beings that at the right time, would embody the primarchs, meaning the primarchs were literally gods in super-enhanced bodies. Do you also not find it surprising that when the primarchs were yeeted away, they would each land up on world's that were specifically designed for them? Guilliman in Macragge. Konrad on Nostramo. Magnus on Prospero... and so on. This also adds to the theory why Clonegrim is able to recall all the memories of his demon prince counterpart. That's cause when Fulgrim ascended, the original god that was there was kicked out and, maybe perhaps replaced, or rather, since they have no soul now, kicked out of Fulgrim, and was roaming freely until Clonegrim was created, and his pact with the Emperor forced him to re-enter the new body.

[@davidk6269]

"...Fulgrim regarded Ferrus very highly--before he killed him." LOL

[@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignis]

The same could be said for Horus and sanguinus

[@Kareszkoma]

Horus and Sanguinius were one of the closest Primarchs. They relied on each other so much. After reading the first Herecy book?... Oh.. and he killed him. Horus was really gone.

[@saltedllama2759]

@@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignis Sanuinius had to sacrifice himself to that cause, or risk becoming full-blown Red Angel and succumbing to Chaos.

[@MrManueldx]

Everyone loved ferrus, he was a really cool dude

[@kennethbedwell5188]

I think Cruz really wanted to remain loyal. He wanted it so badly.

[@lordcommanderralathor6491]

Curze wanted to, but The Night Haunter would not allow it.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Curze wanted to remain in the light but the dark of the Night haunter was too strong

[@scribe620]

Everyone thinks their in the right until Sanguinius shows up.

[@happyhammer1]

I think everyone thinks their right up until the point when they don't.

[@CAP198462]

They’re .....😖

[@psychedashell]

Russ didn't change his thoughts on facing Horus in spite of Sanguinius' cautions on the matter, just became more committed. Probably didn't help Sanguinius' cause that he compared Russ' personality to Jaghadai Kahn though.

[@Kareszkoma]

Sanguinius: "Russ you are being reckless!" Russ: "I will EAT HIM."

[@TheGhjgjgjgjgjg]

@@CAP198462 Theyere' ****

[@Sceptis]

Kurze: Brother, I try so hard, and got so far. But in the end, it doesn't even matter.

[@Dadecorban]

= ) 40k is pretty heavy metal, but it's got some alternative rock in there as well.

[@robmoss3501]

Linkin park in the end. Nice

[@azreanaibrahim2721]

Linkin loyalists

[@marcusaurelius5786]

C(R)AAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIN! - Loyalist Primaris Night Lords, circa M42

[@Cynocehali]

"And I'm about to...BREAK!"

[@andydrewwww]

What I love about Curze more than his personality or feats is that he was not really turning to chaos as much as he was just rebelling against his father and his perceived fate. A lot of us feel tortured by life, circumstance, and a lack of meaning. Many do become a villain in those circumstances. It’s easy to feel overwhelmed and insignificant in the face of everything.

[@franconnorton7087]

Well Curze also had foresight which showed him a horrible future. And everything he tried made that future seem closer. Imagine growing up seeing horrible things happen in visions and trying to stop it only for your actions to be the very thing which brings it about. And they happened even if he didn't try to stop them. His words were something like 'they were right often enough to make him second guess his every action'. Plus he had no one and I mean no one to talk to him or help him make sense of it. And just like you said he didn't turn to chaos. He stuck to his principles and said 'I broke the law, I deserve to die just like everyone I killed for the same thing.' He could have done it sooner but he was obsessed with fighting his fate. He's the weirdest but most compelling primarch in a way.

[@Rowantg]

The moment Sanguinius spared Curze was the moment Curze was lost for good. Curze's death at the hands of the emperor is the end all be all for all the choices he's made to this point, something he points out at the moment of his death. To die at Sanguinius' hands would have been the happiest and most hopeful moment of his entire life because it would have said to him and everyone "You are wrong, there is hope." And to be denied that, was the greatest, and saddest insult.

[@Azzurian]

But if Sanguinius had done it, while it would have proved Curze wrong (the fact that fate can be changed and the fact that there is hope) it would have aslo damned Sanguinius and probably turned him to a darker path. Sparing Curze showed the noblest aspect of Sanguinius and stayed true to his beliefs of hope for his brother and at the same time damned Curze to his beliefs of fatalism. Vicious circle... i know!

[@alexyoblick]

Azzurian I really like how Sanguinius and Curze are polar opposites in the sense that they bring out the best and worst in people.

[@sirmount2636]

@@alexyoblick Just like their legions which are sort of opposites of each other.

[@ianharrison5758]

Konrad is so tragic to me because I can see the good in him. If he didn’t care, or truly enjoyed being the night haunter, he wouldn’t be bothered by fate. He’d feel it is his natural place, closer to the acceptance sanginius has but more sadistic. That’s never been the case. For all his flaws and hypocrisy I genuinely think people forget Konrad didn’t act like this because he was just some bitter lunatic. He acted like this because he was genuinely suffering from primarch level mental health issues. He wasn’t truly needed in the crusade. The night haunter defined the culture of his legion but never was the reason it was successful. The night lords could have been under their legion master while Konrad gets treatment. They could have saved him, at any moment they could have. But everyone from his brothers to the emperor made the same mistake we mere mortals do in these situations. They didn’t listen, they didn’t care, they saw his suffering as his own fault when it wasn’t his actions that caused it. Konrad was slowly losing his grip on reality and instead of helping him, everyone in his life treated him like that’s what he truly was inside, a monster, when that isn’t true. Konrad was meant to be Konrad, not the night haunter. That tear in his psyche was never part of the plan. I just can’t understand why the emperor never fixed him when he had the ability to. He wasn’t Angron. He didn’t have archeo tech crudely merged with his flayed brain. Konrad was just in pain, so much pain, that he couldn’t think past it to analyze why he felt the way he did. He needed someone to advocate for him and actually make sure he gets help and no one who should have stepped up did. Maybe Konrad could have been less of a edgelord, but never forget who saw him standing on the edge and thought he was claiming that spot on the fringes, not preparing to jump.

[@josemanuelgarciagomez1750]

​@@ianharrison5758su padre no lo ayudo porque es una pésima personas, y es un padre terrible , narcisistas, egocéntrico el no necesitaba un hijo el quería un arma

[@noahturner6807]

Konrad Kurze: I'm a better fighter than you Sangunius. Sangunius: *Laughs*... You Actually believe that.

[@shipmate3577]

CMDR. Shepard Sanguinius: “I can kill you in the nude.”

[@AdeptKing]

Considering how pissed Sanguinius was he probably could have killed him even without his sword.

[@Ideo7Z]

Sanguinius made K'abandha his prison bitch twice. Curze didn't stand a chance.

[@rjsteeves]

Konrad Kurze: I'm a better fighter than you. Sanguinius: Oh? You're approaching me? Instead of running away, you're coming right to me?

[@kubapiwowarczyk599]

Not the best comparison - Russ outright states that he doubts he could beat Curze in the same breath as he doubts he could beat Hawkboy while stating he'd beat most others easily. Konard may as well be the most lethal of them all, assuming he - from the start - fought against gangbangers and murderers with bare hands in dark alleys. @IDeO Didn't Konard strangle a pretty strong daemon IN THE WARP with bare hands? come on

[@shipmate3577]

Konrad represents the despair the Emperor struggles with and Sanguinius represents the Emperor’s hope for the future of mankind.

[@PrimordialAnnihilator]

If Sanguinius was war master I do believe the Horus heresy would have happened due to Horus own hubris not wanting to except that he was not the better Primarch for the title

[@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926]

One of the main reasons Horus fell to Chaos was because he felt abandoned by the Emperor and was being overwhelmed by his duties as Warmaster. Also in the first book when relations with the Interex went to hell in a handbasket Horus quietly muttered to himself "Father why did you abandon me, it's too much"

[@skywatcheradept]

Sanguinius was a mutant with wings. He wouldn't be accepted as a leader of the armies fighting for Imperial Truth.

[@DhDeadMan]

@@skywatcheradept Sanguinius was beloved and reveered by all, what are you talking about man?

[@skywatcheradept]

@@DhDeadMan It is true that Sanguinius was loved by the common folk, but the ideologist of Imperial Truth would not approve him as the Warmaster. Emperor started the Great Crusade in the name of Imperial Truth to purge the galaxy of xenos, mutant and psykers. His armies destroyed countless worlds even if their populations commonly loved their false idols. They were very strict with the Imperial Truth ideology. On the other hand I still don't know why the Imperial Truth allowed their legions to be called Angels?

[@logandelaharpe6317]

@@skywatcheradept he was the most loved by his brothers as well no being the imperium would dare talk out or even feel the need too Your talking out your ass

[@yungtoolshed251]

Man you really have to feel bad for Konrad, he wanted Sanguinius to kill him so he would be wrong about everything. Konrad wanted his visions to be wrong because it doesn’t seem like he really ever wanted to betray Big E, he just wanted his visions to be wrong. If he dies by the hands of one of his brothers then that means that the Imperium doesn’t fall and the traitors lose one more weapon which could allow them to win the heresy. Konrads war was against predestination, not the Imperium, he wanted his fate to be different because he hated being the Night Haunter and he wanted to be more then just a spiked bat that gets thrown at whatever the Imperium says is a threat. He wanted to die as Konrad and not the thing calling itself the Night Haunter. While I’m not a Night Lords fan, Konrad has slowly started becoming one of my favorite characters in the lore next to Angron and Hawk Boy himself.

[@kelman727]

Yung Toolshed We know Kurze saw different visions of the future depending on how he acts. Doing the righteous thing in the end required too much effort. The quick returns for nihilism seduced him.

[@m.mkhademi4648]

I like your thoughts.

[@Justin_Anvil]

Konrad is a great character, but it’s hard for me to feel bad for him….just based on him slowly skinning that young lady in his city. (She attempted suicide, and he reveled in skinning her…he enjoyed it. So, he gets what he f*cking deserves (and actually, he got off easy)

[@Channel-23s]

Naw he caused all of it Konrad turned traitor but couldn’t stay loyal only a fool would choose to be killed to be proven wrong rather then act differently

[@randomcenturion7264]

I pity Konrad. He spent so much time running from the monster he feared becoming, only to realize one day, he'd actually been running TOWARDS that fate.

[@redsampler2017]

well put, thats because life is a circle its best to stay in the middle.

[@piercebrosnan9528]

That last part where Kurze runs his finger along the pinion of Sanguinius wing in awe and fascination of something so pure and uncorrupted makes Kurze's conflicted nature really stand out.

[@adaeptzulander2928]

Kurze turns from Batman into Joker.

[@michaelriddick7116]

So .. Batman Who Laughs? 🤔😁

[@FireRevanShadow]

Sanguinius fans be like: In, my, self righteous suicide I, cry, when angels deserve to die Father, father, father, father Father into your hands, I commend my spirit

[@narzoggash]

Soad is so suating

[@henrymilner7061]

Why have you forsaken me, why have u forsaken me

[@bradhunt3562]

Konrad biggest Tsundere confirmed. "I've always been hated, stupid ba-baka"

[@Amatsaru29]

Summed up perfectly

[@edim108]

The Heresy! It Burns!

[@jungoogie]

@Zoomer Waffen "Stop being a weeb" --Ridged much? Should he have used sports terms for ya?

[@WAcrobat19]

Space Jesus vs Batman

[@demiurge9212]

Space Michael vs Batman

[@glorilol9546]

@@demiurge9212 space Michael vs the Batman who laugh

[@darrianweathington1923]

You mean Justice league

[@gwyndolin1536]

Or pretty much that last interaction between Joker and Batman in the Killing Joke.

[@Dogue83]

More like Space Rorschach

[@matthewsmith1779]

I love how the Angel is always able to get his brothers to talk.

[@BladeMaster117]

Really want to hear their final conformation where Sanguinius tells him that the Emperor actually would have forgiven him

[@Dadecorban]

Did this happen? If it did then Sanguinius may be the deluded one. Daddy didn't seem like he was going to be very forgiving of Magnus disobeying him again. But I'm not a lore master.

[@Fullgrym]

@@Dadecorban or Sanguinius fearing the Emperor might erase him and his legion if he knew about the flaw. Surely a genetic flaw is a lesser offence than rebelling.

[@BladeMaster117]

@@Dadecorban In their last confrontation Sanguinius tells him that he actually saw a possible future where the Emperor did forgive him, but might cause him to fall to Chaos so he kicked him into a cryopod

[@klompb]

@@Dadecorban the Emperor never planned to kill either Magnus or Konrad. Horus altered Leman's arrest order into a kill order and Horus sent the assassin in the Emperors name. Both actions were always meant to get both brothers to turn away from the Emperor.

[@crocrox2273]

Emperor said he wanted Curze back on Terra so he could help him with his visions,but in the end after all he has done,emperor forgave him personnaly before he died trough the meat statue Curze made in honor of the emperor

[@BM-is5ei]

God damnit Kondrad ... God fkn damnit. In a way he, alongside Angron, had more insight into the nature of things than anyone else.

[@Lord_Inquisitor_Ignis]

Okay Rho you’ve made me feel sorry for Konrad and I like him more now

[@wolflordrho]

😉

[@markogilja4994]

Wolf Lord Rho: *releases new video* Me: *happy noise*

[@Sephvion]

Imagine if it was the other way around. Imagine if Sanguinius has become Warmaster and Konrad stayed loyal. I feel like this story has to go in the direction that one stays loyal and the other falls. These two are similar that they both have sides of them that are quite dark. One has to push through and conquer their darkness, while the other succumbs to it. Konrad would try to persuade Sanguinius that he was the best of them and even him, Konrad, can overcome his darkness, given the chance. I would like to listen to an alternate timeline of this.

[@Darksnider05]

Konrad always the most Depressing boy.

[@Kareszkoma]

If Sanguinius would've turned, there would be no Imperium. He - blessed be his name - stopped a whole Legion at the Eternity Gate. His prowess cannot be matched.

[@ajaxo85]

I always felt Konrad embraced the darker aspect of his existence because it was all he truly knew. He desperately wanted and needed peers to confide in, to share the darkness in his past and to help him understand himself better, but his brothers almost to a man rejected him in some form or another. If they are slamming shut the doors to redemption, it leaves him isolated and eventually he will find the darkness comforts him simply because it was the only true constant in his brutal life.

[@petesinton69]

The most tragic of primarchs bless him,he was the the judgement of the emperor & wasn't raised by an adopted father or clan to guide him to point him in the right directions of humanity or what was expected of him.Love him & sanguieious.Perfect contrast between brothers

[@shanegrimes3455]

Angron is the most tragic

[@fambofambo7940]

WE SEE THAT CURZE IS ACTUALLY VERY PIVITOL AND SEES THE TRUTH. I LOVE HOW HE TOUCHES THE WING. LIKE A DEMON OF THE VOID FACINATED BY THE LIGHT IN AN ANGELS FEATHERS

[@irishwarlord100]

Thought for the day : Carry the Emperor's will as your torch, with it destroy the shadows.

[@narzoggash]

Because of your Videos I recently baught my first black libary book.

[@viewernewest]

In the end, they are all pawns of order and chaos.

[@JascDark]

Batman who laughs....

[@carlosfreitas1722]

Astonishing, breathtaking imagining every word! curze's pain must be unbearable.

[@Teyl1]

Kruze could be fixed, he'd just have to have the help forced upon him, and the night haunter would never accept that. He'd fight it the whole way, but if the Emperor had the time, and the other loyalists could just around him with out all the posturing, showing him support and giving him any nurturing at all he could have had hope, a chance for happiness and brotherhood instead of self loathing and and seeing no way out. I think Chaos wanted this outcome. He was too dangerous a tool of order when he supported the crusade, imagine if he'd known about Chaos and was set on fighting against it. If we'd gotten a stable imperial truth founded Imperium, and he's the one leading the inquisition to root out heretical Chaos worshippers. He'd stop at nothing to make sure they couldn't regain a foothold anywhere he went.

[@Dadecorban]

"A thing is possible if you did the the thing to the person but it couldn't be done because he wouldn't allow it" Genius analysis. Just genius.

[@yojon4905]

Konrad leading the inquisition would be amazing !

[@Erikjust]

I don´t think Curze could be fixed, he was the Nighthunter and the nighthunter was him two sides of the same coin. I think that even if Curze had landed on Baal or even Macragge, The Nighthunter would still have emerged, gradually becoming stronger and stronger. We need to remember from childhood Curze was cursed with his visions of the future where he always saw the worst possible outcome. I think that might have been a catalyst for him becoming nighthunter and all the love in the world would not have prevented it from happening, only delayed it. Even if Curze had remained loyal to The Emperor i think he would eventually crack, he might start fighting Horus but once the first few planets declared their loyalty to Horus, Curze would have started to destroy those planets one by one and then maybe start with other planets that he even suspected would side with Horus. Even Mars wouldn´t have been safe i think Curze would eventually burn the entire surface of Mars to destroy the rebellion. Eventually the Emperor would have had to either censure Curze or stop him like he did in the original time line.

[@Azzurian]

Having in mind the novella of Curze in the Primarchs Series, the 2 problems that Curze met in his philosophy was that he didn't belive in choice only in fate and second that he believed in absolute justice and not in justice tempered with ethics. So the only person that could show him these would be a person that either had them (so that he could be able to learn form respect, for example Sanguinius) or a person that he considered above him (so that he could teach him, for example the Emperor). If only the Emperor had more time with him and for him...

[@ianharrison5758]

@@Erikjust Konrad was not the Night Haunter. The nigh Haunter was simply the manifestation of his insanity, brought about by his visions and lack of guidance. If his mind had not broken, the night Haunter would not exist. It seems so core to his character that it’s hard to believe but that’s because that’s how Konrad sees it, but like many things, he is wrong. With the guidance of his father or his brother, Konrad would almost certainly have stayed loyal. He acts according to his design more so than any other primarch, but that design was twisted by madness. He was Judgment and punishment personified, but the emperor would not have designed him to be like this. It would be pushing the self destruct button on his dream. The emperor wanted his sons to be loyal, all of them. Konrad is no different

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

Konrad does make a good point about slavery. People like to think themselves free, but can one really be free if he is merely a slave to his own goals and desires? All humans are slaves, but we have the choice of our masters. Do we choose to be our own masters? What kind of master can such an imperfect creature be? Do we choose other men to be our masters? How are they any better than ourselves? Shall we invent gods, pointing here and there, to the sea and the Sun, and shackle ourselves to them? What kind of masters would the creations of already imperfect masters be? Or do we refer to the pursuit of Truth, seek out the Light, and find, at the end of all questions, the Father we left so long ago? What better master for mankind can there be than his own perfect Father?

[@TherealSBlair]

Oh Konrad. Blessed with sight beyond sight but the dark was all you were ever willing to see.

[@monkeylugz]

Ave dominus nox ! Cheers Wolf Lord Rho super Sundays at their finest !

[@wolflordrho]

You are welcome 😊

[@57575756]

Konrad Kurze: Kill me I dare you. Sangunius: Errrrr your plot Armor is so tough not even the Emperor could kill you now.

[@Duppyman695]

Then a Assassin killed him ! I guess his plot armour wasn't thick enough !

[@darrianweathington1923]

I think the emperor knows branches of the future and he targets a favorable future and goes for that and plans accordingly because plans change. Kinda like Dr. Strange.

[@Pickatimatrina]

Thanks for your awesome videos !

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks for the support!

[@Truegrade]

This Night Haunter series is so good, such a tragic villain. And far more interesting than nearly every other lore.

[@alexstan414]

Not only do I get to listen to one of your videos before I sleep, but one to wake up to as well? Awesome as always Rho!

[@davidphilbrick7222]

I honestly get as much joy from the lore as how you read it in awe of it. The lore is awesome, your delivery is top shelf.

[@shawnyasin2307]

I think if there is any passages from When Conrad tortures Vulkin then that would be a great vid!

[@Modernarcher119]

Commenting because you deserve all the love and subs. Cheers

[@davidk6269]

Hail, Wolf Lord! Thank you for another wonderful upload--on the day of rest, no less!

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks for the support!

[@erho2967]

When our Holy Emperor played Malcador, was he not genuinely surprised at Mortarion’s betrayal? I think he tried to gamble with them but the STHF because they are Chaos... obviously

[@Corey931]

They’re relationship reminds me of Thor and Loki. I love your videos man

[@christopheraaron1255]

Also, I don't think the Night Lords turned to Chaos so much as they went renegade.

[@Sceptis]

The "Lord of Night" novel more or less confirms that there is a divide in the Night Lords: some warbands fall to Chaos, others just do their own thing.

[@joshuamedina7292]

Why didn't sangunius tell his brother he loved him? Most of the problems with the Emperor and the primemarks is that they were to distant with each other.

[@jakewu8268]

Amazing vid Wolf Lord Rho. 👍👏🏼😌😀

[@wolflordrho]

Thanks!

[@KanjaHanta]

Thank you again for a great video. New subscriber here :) been trying to catch up on all your old videos. All awesome and I really like your thoughts and interpretations of the meetings of these great entities:)

[@inquisitivei2188]

Are you going to cover the rematch between Kurze and Lion that happened after this? I would really like to hear your thoughts on that fight. If not, that is alright. Keep up the good work.

[@wolflordrho]

Yes I will definitely cover that at some point!

[@briharrisWarhmmer40kfan]

Amazing mate ✊✊✊ LOVE IT!!!!

[@vanguard9015]

SPACE MARINES BATTLE BRUVAS TODAY WE ARE EARLY

[@azariahkyras7736]

We know our duteh and we will dew eet!

[@vanguard9015]

@@azariahkyras7736 ALL WE NEED IS ENOUF BATTLE BRUVAS ON THE GROUND THAT WE CAN CRUSH THEM UNDER OUR LIKES AND DESTROY THEM WITH OUR SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT IS WAT MATTERS SPESHE MARIUNE

[@AdeptKing]

This makes me wonder if Sanguinius could have kept Konrad on their side if they were actually closer. Konrad seems to hold him in pretty high regard.

[@hiddenhydewithinhim]

The sad thing is that Konrad, according to his Primarch novel, respected or even loved most of his brothers, yet he was despised by all.

[@ashleyblight8165]

The epilogue of this book was a face smacker, abaolutely makes you go "oooooho lawd" Wolf Lord Tho please do a video on this!

[@surtaandume_psykermystyk4010]

Kurze so badly wants to be amiable bros with Sanguinius, to the point of his grim, dark, brooding derision slipping ever so slightly, becoming excited at points of debate in their conversation, and not-unkindly teasing during another.... Ah, the Konrad we would've gotten if Chaos hadn't football-spiked his gestation pod deep all-up-in Nostromo's(of all the places) adamantine guts...

[@Tsunamiieh]

We need some angron wolfman. Love your content btw

[@andrewvincent89]

Such a good channel

[@wolflordrho]

Thank you

[@Black_Blow_Fly]

Hi Rho thanks for all you do. 💪💪💪

[@wolflordrho]

Thank you for the support 👍🏼

[@Dir_Grobbman]

Im surprised you havent touched on more of the new konrad curze novel. A lot of good curze moments in there, as well as sevatar.

[@CDLMcLellan]

The Emperor knew about both Konrads Afflictions, he could have intervened earlier and given him the proper help needed instead of the temporary respite that he had given upon finding his son on Nostramo. He could have been the Law Keeper/Giver and judge he was meant to be...but no. Anyways, in the words of the late Jago Sevatarian - "death to the false emperor" 🦇Ave Dominus Nox🦇

[@scrubsrc4084]

I think the heresy would still have happened but taken an utterly different feel with the traitors having to work from beneath rather than being in the driving seat. More of a slow burner gorilla effort from the shadows

[@tappingninja]

The death of one timeline brings opportunity for a new one thanks to Abaddon, things that weren’t possible before are possible now as said by the Sanguinius that wasn’t Sanguinius...

[@jackfrost2978]

Konrads psychosis is constantly reinforced by his visions. His visions mostly show the worst aspects of things, and negative outcomes. I think it would be interesting if in his "death" Konrads visions showed him the negatives of what would happen if the Emperor and humanity lose.

[@chungusdisciple9917]

Wolf Lord Rho. More like Wolf Lord Brho

[@justinvandygriff2829]

Wow what a talk what a talk

[@Thedagda801]

Free will versus predestination!

[@Chris-yz7cs]

Who is more of an edgelord. Konrad or Corvus.?

[@stian7479]

Yes

[@texasallstar6969]

Corvus easily

[@jaquilynnblack187]

Corvus is emo, Konrad is blackmetal. On an unrelated note, Fulgrim is symphonic death metal.

[@barnsnoble3105]

Crovus last words "nevermore" talk about cringe.

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

Who is more of an edgelord, Konrad Kurze or the Night Haunter? 🤔

[@dirk903]

With the upbring curze had, i think its more likely that "night haunter" will shake off any pretence of konrad curze

[@christopheraaron1255]

I don't think the Emperor planned it per se... i think he realised it was a possibility. He's sorrowful because he knows this is the path He didn't want to follow.

[@jasonwould8878]

What do u think im funny im hear to fucking amuse u what what? Ha almost had the little prick

[@darkhawk7494]

I think he is redeemed in his last moments when his life ends. Love konrad and would of loved to see him as a loyalist who betrayed the traitors but it wasn't to be, I think I'm gonna work on some loyal night lords known as the night haunters.

[@marcusaurelius5786]

Hang on a minute. If Ferrus can be brought back... could Konrad? His soul wasn't erased, he was Assassinated by a mortal. *Batwings flap enthusiastically*

[@fernandopires135]

Every time someone says the emperor planned it all I think "its more likely he knew it would happen, and could not find a way to stop it"

[@johnathanw.336]

I have recently started to broaden the idea of starting a chaos army. If only there were a fountain of knowledge and lore that made it all enjoyable... OH WAIT! Thanks Wolf Lord, the Emperor protects!

[@Czer141]

Question: I get my HH books through an audible subscription I assume BL would get a cut from that?

[@animemanXLK]

I've just finished reading the horus heresy primarch novel Konrad Curze the night haunter and in the final chapter their's a brilliant passage were just a few minutes (or possibly hours) before Curze's death he has an unexpected encounter with a certain someone. To some it might be obvious but I'm gonna keep it quiet anyway. Any chance you'd be covering this in one of your videos?

[@emerson21962]

AVE DOMINUS NOX!

[@grtdrmmrs]

Even though everyone knows what’s gonna happen, we always hope that just maybe he will grasp some hope.

[@lovethedupstep111111]

Can you do a video on the lion and papa Smurf and picking sanguinous as the new emperor. That sounds like an epic conversation between primarchs.

[@bobsledmitch7614]

What music do you use in these videos?

[@bluebuda8170]

Who's the next Primarch your gonna focus on?

[@wolflordrho]

🤔

[@bluebuda8170]

@@wolflordrho The Lion?

[@KanjaHanta]

@@bluebuda8170 yeps please. Cause we know he is going to awaken soon. I'm sure of it

[@TAURUSger]

Magnus?

[@Xxxnoctis1]

Will you be doing Horus videos ?

[@PrimordialAnnihilator]

Do you have a favourite 40k character non primach for instance I do enjoy fabulous Bill aka Fabius Bile.

[@Chris-yz7cs]

LT GENERAL KITTEN

[@frankfelerski1043]

Curze just needed a fucking hug

[@cn9707]

For a good look into Curze, listen to Konrad Curze. Little pieces of Konrad peak through the darkness that is Night Haunter, and he even "talks" to the Emperor at one point. It's awesome.

[@Practical-Theoretical]

Well said Rho. How could you not be loyal to the Emperor were that sacrifice true. THE EMPEROR PROTECTS

[@JB-xx3dq]

The whole thing is the the Emporer self reflecting.

[@ControlUrSelf666]

The Angel spares the damned.

[@ronibelal1411]

Whats music in background???

[@davidlewis9346]

Well done, as always. You seem to raise the bar for Warhammer 40 K excellence. Now that I'm done complementing, my theory… I've had a very deep seeded belief almost the entire time I've been reading the HH, that the emperor seeking to raise himself to God hood was true. I do not believe it was his plan to abandon humanity like so many of the traitors accuse him of, but I do believe his ultimate goal was godhood. And still is. Everything the emperor has done, has been planned. Are we really supposed to believe that after the emperor struck his bargain with the powers of chaos, he didn't plan on them striking back after he failed to for fill his end of the bargain?! I've never believed that the emperor was so shortsighted. I'm actually writing a fanfiction that lays out my theory that everything has been planned to a T since before the emperor decided to unite terra.

[@LOLITzAudio]

Great now I want a night lords army.

[@street1111]

Curze and Angron got shafted

[@XHobbiesPrime]

Great stuff. Curze really was a tragic figure.

[@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470]

I think the one that could probably get through curze or at least have the best chance would probably be Vulkan he seems to have a knack for appealing to people's better nature

[@patman123ist]

Sparing Conrad Curze was the most heinous act of cruelty the Angel ever committed.

[@cosuinofdeath]

The emperor couldn’t see beyond a certain point in time like the golden pat from dune

[@aria5614]

Curze needs a hug.

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

For me the most underrated moment is when Kurz is at his lowest, his most despairing, torn between his hate and his love for his brother…. And he reaches out… and he touches Sanguinius’s wing. Not his face, not his hand, his wing. The feature that Hawk Boy himself is most uncomfortable with, and can’t stand to be touched. The angry limb shakes him off.

[@georgesoha4725]

I know it will never happen but if they made an alternate timeline/series where the traitors stayed loyal and the loyalists turned I would happily buy and read that along side the Horus heresy.

[@randomcenturion7264]

You could check out the Dornian Heresy wiki.

[@georgesoha4725]

@Random Centurion is it something like what I wrote above?

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@georgesoha4725 Sort of. It's still pretty incomplete, but I loved the alternate take on Angron and the World Eaters, who became Zen-Berserkers who fight in a state of Tranquil Fury, choosing to master their anger than become slaves to it.