World of Warships- So I Was Wrong About Wisconsin.....

Hey guys! Today I correct some things that I said in my Wisconsin Review Video! Enjoy!
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[@sealordmountbatten]

Something I forgot to mention is that the lesser Krupp of the Wisconsin will lead to slightly less penetration at short range, but the shells will have better penetration at longer range due to the shell speed thanks to the better air drag

[@tijger5353]

thx

[@boydy7351]

You need a play list of “I was wrong about {insert random ship name}……”.

[@sealordmountbatten]

There’d be like 3 videos in it lol

[@elliottbriggs3385]

@@sealordmountbattenSea Lord your ability to correct your mistakes says a lot about you. Not many creators can go back and say “actually I was wrong”

[@thavinny9943]

I think you mistake him for.PQ

[@MadmanLink]

That would be entertaining and educational!

[@boydy7351]

@@sealordmountbatten I don’t know how or why, but I always confuse you with PQ and vice versa.

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

The shell dispersion difference between Iowa and Wisconsin is massive Hor Dispersion 180 vs 149 (@ 12km) vertical dispersion 91 vs 75 Sigma 1.9 vs 2.0 Shell speed and pen a bit higher to Wisconson top 5 accurate bbs in the entire game

[@junkiexl86]

To make up for having 1 less turret I imagine and something to coax people to grind/spend money on buy-out lol

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

Wisconsin should still have the same heals as Iowa, its just that Wisconsin's HP pool is slightly larger so the consumable proportionally heals a bit more.

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

math aint his strong point

[@sealordmountbatten]

The heal literally heals more, yes I am aware of why it heals more, but you still get MORE HP per second

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

@@sealordmountbatten That's like saying Nagato heals are better than Fuso's heals. C'mon man... Most ships have different heals by that logic. Still, respect for actually replying. No other WoWS YTbers interacts with the comments like you do

[@MadmanLink]

@@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to you really aren't getting it. Most ships have different heals. Take T7 brit bb's, the Rooke has 59,200 hp and heals at 296 a second. Then there's the Nelson with 59,400 hp and it's massive heal of 1425 a second.

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2toin a moment, that slightly more HP per second can make a difference, especially when you have the ability to crank another off in 18s with the combat instructions. Players used to take SE on BBs for that very reason back in the day. Yes it is a small difference, but it’s worth mentioning imo

[@rickwiggins283]

WG: "Comrades, we will soon be releasing a new menu option for gunnery details. It will be unlockable with 'stats tokens' which you can buy in new 'Gunnery' gamble boxes!"

[@GaryJones69420]

Haven't watched yet but istg if he's doing a PQ Nvm he still has sense.

[@plichi87]

Doing a "PQ" has finally become a real verb from just being a meme? 😂👍

[@medstud]

What I don't get about the PQ situation is that he aims right, the shots are beautifully dispersed (or lack thereof), land where he wants them, do decent pen dmg, but don't do WTFPWN 8x citadels dev strike consistently like he expects them to, so he rages. Citadels were always a dice roll, and at any rate that's not the ship's fault, but the game mechanics' so not sure how he comes out of it saying the Wisconsin is mediocre. Dude the shots are LANDING.

[@eragonrank5303]

I think it’s just not tempering your expectations. I think I saw him smash a Kremlin for near 30k without a Cit and he was disappointed. Expectations man… Like honestly, Siegfried with Cruiser dispersion and 2.05 Sigma and you don’t Citadel every broadside you see. Citadels are just bonus if you ask me. Getting 6 full pens on a broadside BB for 22k is already considered very solid a salvo.

[@GaryJones69420]

@@plichi87 "Doing a PQ" - Phrase "Doing a PQ" is when you make a video on a new ship, then immediately go back on what you said in a new video talking about how underwhelming it is for a few clicks. Then getting made fun of.

[@paddington1670]

wtf is istg

[@EviLDEAD109]

I always think it's funny when I'm watching your videos and I notice I'm in the same round in the background video, I run into you more times then I can count. The Wisconsin looks like a pretty decent ship.

[@xzarial6652]

Well done sea lord for a quick admission and correction of your mistakes! So glad to hear that it makes this ship a better choice for me grinding the dockyard.

[@wun1gee]

Wargaming assumes its players are stupid and dumb down the UI as much as possible. They did the same thing with WoT, where there are a lot of hidden statistics. I remember back in early WoT people were complaining about Russian tanks having better armor than they should for their thickness but there was nothing to prove it. Until it got datamined and it was shown that many Russian tanks had much higher homogenization statistics for their armor, making the armor 'harder'. Soon after that they claim they "retired" that stat, but yeah, okay.

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

I'm hoping the stuff to fix my game rig short term arrives this week. If it gets me up and running, I'm grinding for the Wisconsin. For the first time, I'll spend real cash on the game itself for a doubloon package. Hopefully the grind will get me through some tiers as well, and position me to get the Maine if it becomes available. This Wisconsin thing is the first thing I have seen them do that gets me interested in playing again, and I was in the beta.

[@erikwellerweller8623]

I have concluded that splitting hairs on stats is irrelevant as WG never tells the truth and the spaghetti code, countless bugs, and hidden algorithms mean any given salvo is a crap shoot and your ships win rate depends on how you play it and how WG wants to fuel your gambling and rage addiction today.

[@Stephen__White]

I can see an argument for why some numbers aren't in game, take for instance AP fuse time, 0.033s for normal AP shells, and 0.015s for short fuse honestly doesn't LOOK like a big difference. Sigma and Krupp also don't make the most sense on their own without also having an explanation of what they are. If you tell even some veteran players that their ship has for example a Sigma of 1.8, they will have no idea what that even means. Even though the dev blogs talk about that information a fair bit. Now I get the argument of if that information was in game people would know what it meant... maybe... People still get the information we have in game wrong as well. For instance I had someone try to argue with me that Adatara was more accurate than Bungo, purely because the stat card dispersion says Adatara has better dispersion. Even though both have the same sigma and same dispersion formula, the only difference is max range. Bungo shoots farther, so it's max dispersion is larger, and that made someone actually think it was a less accurate ship. Or how about the time I had someone argue with me that when you use your spotter plane, it uses your stat card listed dispersion at your new max range. Or there is also the old tied, "faster rudder shift makes your turning circle smaller!" even though it doesn't, and the game doesn't even pretend like it does. There are already so many misconceptions about stats that we can see in game, that honestly might be the reason why Wargaming doesn't want to show us all of the stats. Even more so as they are not always intuitive. Like "fire resist" for example.

[@williamneitzel2249]

What I would like to know is why WG changed the dockyard reset from Mondays to Wednesdays ? Every DY I have done, up til now, always reset on Mondays.

[@txgator7299]

I agree, they don't include this information because this game is not a simulator and is not meant to be. I agree they could add drop down menus for stat warriors, but the vast majority of players won't find much value in "how my shells are .002 harder than this ship so it'll pen so much more". And you will rarely if ever get into a situation in game where knowing you pen 2% more is of any value. Shoot the player if you pen or don't, also 2% extra pen isn't your issue with the rng in the game. I would like to see a AP pen capability for each ship like "500mm-50mm" min to max range. This is easier than remembering and mathing out 4-5 different numbers. Thank you for the content.

[@meneldal]

I think what would be really useful is to have a set of values for 2km - half range - full range that show angle of impact, time to target, pen and dispersion (if possible on a standard target with 100 shots so we can judge the pattern)

[@Apollyon-er4ut]

I didn't catch the BC on the shells, but I didn't notice that on ranges 15k+ only the Slava has better vertical dispersion. I think that is going to make them feel more accurate than other ships with 2.0 sigma.

[@wastelander89]

I think Wisconsin is decent . I say keep expectations low and you should have great fun. Its amazing how soviet shells are faster and most of the guns and ships were never built. Thanks for going into depth about the ships guns

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

Well, as a closed beta tester for both WoT and WoW, I can say that imaginary Russian weapons are the favorite and the go to of wargaming. In another sport I'm involved in, we call them "paper cars", stuff that was proposed, and some parts made, but none were actually produced.

[@wun1gee]

"Keep your expectations low and you'll never be disappointed" is basically the #1 rule of World of Warships..

[@malguskerensky]

I am curious SLM how much flak you get in matches while running the Wisconsin? Its stupid how folks are trying to shame people who have the ship already, from what I have seen recently.

[@sealordmountbatten]

I find myself being extra popular and easily farming 3mil potential lol

[@pallegantzhorn3742]

9:49 Payback!

[@vk45de54]

The info isn't in game b/c they didn't plan to edit any of these values at the beginning but then needed to add more and more ships.

[@SapphirosCZ]

Just unrelated question. Ive never seen Elbing in match, is it that bad? Vast majority of DD´s i see are Shimakaze, with other regulars being mostly Harugumo, Marceau, Gearing and Daring. Other sometime pop up, but ive never encountered single Elbing.

[@NikosChristi]

As it is well known atmosphere is not a thing for the mighty soviet union, the soviet existed in a vacuum and it was fuelled by Vodka, so the existence of Slava in this game is perfectly reasonable. 😁

[@kodiak138]

Can you get the wisconsin with only buying the first stater pack or will you need both to reach the end.

[@justinsimpleton833]

Wisconsin seems to be just a typical target and pita, thus far. I hope I can grind my way through the dockyard to see how she plays.

[@MOrab46019]

One thing I did notice the dock yard is slowly opening each part of the build.

[@hcollins1259]

They have been doing that for most if not all dockyard missions

[@chrisschack9716]

You can look ahead, but not do those missions yet.

[@MOrab46019]

Plus without the other ship it is going to take awhile.

[@theteacher3148]

Is there a way to get rid of old ships that you don't want anymore to make room for new ships?

[@junkiexl86]

My problem with it, is it has no business being in Tier 10. Its an Iowa class BB. Just keep it at T9 as a premium Iowa, not in the same tier as a ship a whole class newer.

[@Joey_Liu]

USS New Jersey Speculation video!

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

It would be cool to have the New Jersey. As the same sort of deal as the Wisconsin.

[@ralvolvi7668]

PQ moment

[@milan540522]

I have the ship Wisconsin but I can't put it in the game, why?

[@ElmwoodCertified]

I have seen a significant increase in alpha damage/citadel hits with the Whiskey as compared to the Iowa!

[@junkiexl86]

That's to be expected since Wisconsin has better dispersion and sigma. Its one of the most accurate BBs in the game atm.

[@ElmwoodCertified]

@@junkiexl86 Hope is stays that way!

[@danielvaughn1535]

Thanks for the update, don't beat yourself up, we all make mistakes

[@wramsey2656]

A real man is not afraid to say he was wrong, readjust, then move on. Well said SLM.

[@Icechuck]

Hey Sea Lord, just letting you know your Discord invite link is dead.

[@sataniachya1840]

why?, Why don't you touch the R, if with that particular ship, you have accelerated reloads? what a way to give away HP

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

Still can't decide if i should pull the trigger and invest 3200 dubs for the ship.

[@sealordmountbatten]

I would recommend her

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

I plan to buy the 7500 doubloons/30 day premium package, just for this grind. I've been a f2p player since the closed beta of WoT and WoW, and never paid for anything before.

[@billwalker9509]

You are still wrong. E.g., Wisconsin AP pen 569 is higher than Iowa AP pen 562, not lower. Wisconsin higher shell impact speed of 613 m/s VS. Iowa 585 m/s probably has some bearing on penetration. And stop calling it a reload booster, its Immediate Systems Reload which covers more than gun reload. And, quite frankly, at the end of the day most players don't give a hoot about all that "vital information".

[@sealordmountbatten]

See pinned comment

[@mattgearytransplanted]

would like it since I live there, but not willing to put up with the matchmaking you're getting, because that's what I see too.

[@lukasmoncek9480]

Cc responsibilities?😅

[@sealordmountbatten]

Not a CC, but wanted to correct myself

[@medstud]

I'm grinding (well, half-whaling) this dockyard because I absolutely hate BBs, and grinding any tech line will burn me out, so wanted a decent T10 prem BB in port for missions and fucking about. Wisconsin is perfect for that. Just wish they gave it a slightly better reload speed, to make a meme BC dispersion/reload build viable. Like 26-28 seconds.

[@leemarcus6123]

a good way to look at the game is that, you should try to enjoy the grind and not hope for the price. Thats a good way to keep you from getting burn outs.

[@mertc8050]

Just grind good lines then simple fix and try not to be overfixated on reaching t10

[@medstud]

@@mertc8050 Try not to offer unsolicited advice. There's no problem to fix. I simply dislike BB playstyle, but need at least one high tier one in port for reasons. The dockyard provides that. Win. Move along.

[@j_taylor]

​​@@medstud I'll use the dockyard similar to you. Life is too short to play games that aren't fun. That said, all our comments are "unsolicited," including yours. Relax and enjoy KZbin.

[@cyborgvalkyrie]

For the love of von Clausewitz, will you please start using your F key?

[@sealordmountbatten]

Nein It’s a bad habit of mine in games lol. If I get given like a rare potion in a game, I see that as “never use it”

[@paddington1670]

he needs to learn how to damage con too

[@mertc8050]

@@paddington1670 yeah he always uses dcp 2 seconds late makes sure enemy gets 1-5k dmg all the time

[@stflaw]

How dare you not give us the air drag coefficient in your original review.

[@smaug9617]

Hi to everyone

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

What is this genuine non-clickbait content? Change for the better? Good video

[@sealordmountbatten]

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[@quor2243]

Nerd stats!

[@ethanoss3604]

oh hey theres me

[@gyrene_asea4133]

We saw that. After obstructing his torp dodge, you swear to defend SLM against stream assassin. : ) Good manners though.

[@sethdunn96]

What is the difference between the Ohio and Montana? Both look rather similar.

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

Ohio is armed with 4x2 18in guns instead of the 4x3 16in guns found on Montana, she (Ohio) has access to improved secondaries accuracy, short cooldown heals, and improved rudder shift. In exchange, Ohio is slower, has slightly less range and the heals are less effective.

[@sethdunn96]

@@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to Cool. Thank you for the info.

[@ifax1245]

Do you have an "Arch?"...

[@sealordmountbatten]

What ya mean?

[@ifax1245]

@@sealordmountbatten You should've asked Arch for his opinion...

[@Toldyaso1216]

Ok in the real world the airdrag coefficient should equate to what is known as the ballistic coefficient in the world of long range rifle competition. The ballistic coefficient is a calculation based on length diameter and shape of the projectile. The higher the ballistic coefficient the more aerodynamic the projectile and the more efficient it will be at longer ranges bleeding velocity and energy at a slower rate. It is extremely common for a projectile with a large advantage in velocity and energy at the muzzle to fall well behind a high BC projectile at 500+ yds. Are you certain that you have the airdrag numbers correct? The Wisconsin should have a higher coefficient number not a lower one. Of course that is assuming wargaming actually understands how that works and coded it correctly.

[@mikehenthorn1778]

So WG made stupid changes between the sisters.

[@sealordmountbatten]

I mean Wisconsin is meant to be a later refit of the class sooooooo, it makes sense?

[@tahiribnmohammad5410]

If you want to get good at the game, you really need to use mods and shiptools Why wouldnt you use mods?? its like having a 30 point captain. Its not third party, these mods are used with the help of WG

[@paddington1670]

wudder

[@sealordmountbatten]

Rs are the bane of my existence, I had ankyloglossia until I was around 5

[@MuckRatz]

To be honest, the only value worth looking at is the pen Value. For players who play like half a dozen matches per week tops, that info is more than enough. Hop in, play a few, back to being an adult..

[@Cryogen69]

"The Wisconsin heal heals more than the Iowa heal" I dunno, cuz it has more HP? Edit: Penetration value of an AP shell is based on both the krupp value and the speed of the shell, so Wisconsin will actually have more pen than an Iowa past 10km

[@sealordmountbatten]

I mean yes that is why, but the heal itself is still slightly better because of it

[@sardaukerlegion]

Hm

[@scootypooper]

hello

[@Mike-DuBose]

Hello from the other side

[@aurdel775]

I thought it was a Potato Quality video lol (no hate but recently he post a lot of those)

[@TheRonbo1680]

nah

[@Catto-oy9mx]

Again

[@americanmig160]

LMFAO WHERES THE DUDE THAT SAID WAIT ABT A WEEK FOR THE "I WAS WRONG ABT THE WISCONSIN" VID wait how do u follow the shells like you did?

[@sealordmountbatten]

Z

[@americanmig160]

@@sealordmountbatten preciate that big homie 💯

[@SmegHedd117]

It's an Iowa with a few extra bells and whistles! BIG WHOOP!

[@nipponmanju4516]

the info isnt in game because the average BB player is.....ehm.....a shit player. They don´t know these numbers anyway. And they dont care. Player that dont know the values of the ship they play.....

[@teddysurf]

Honestly man, what is wrong with you? In the clip you just showed your literally sailing into player after player… hey maybe you could do a video about not be a narcissistic player who just thinks he owns all the space on the map, and other people should make a way for him…

[@sealordmountbatten]

Ship big Big turning radius Little ship get in way

[@sealordmountbatten]

Also I wouldn’t call bumping into two ships running into “player after player” Especially considering the Smolensk literally sails right into me The Woostah at the start also was dodging torps so I don’t think you could even argue that one as well

[@teddysurf]

@@sealordmountbatten really I would… You ran into one player and then after you ran into another player… here’s an easy solved don’t lemmingtrain to one cap and sit behind the same island…spread out…

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@teddysurf it literally does no damage, I’m far from the only one that bounces into other ships

[@teddysurf]

@@sealordmountbatten and me pointing it out does no damage to you, but it’s annoying… Isn’t it?