Worse Than Asbestos? | Dr. Scott McMahon & Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker | EP 415

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with Dr. Scott McMahon and Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker. They discuss their potentially groundbreaking research into CIRS, or Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome. Backed by research, these two doctors believe that many other illnesses and syndromes such as fibromyalgia, obesity, and even depression might actually be caused by mutations in common mold as a response to our own efforts to live in a hypoallergenic world.
Scott W. McMahon, MD, founder of Whole World Healthcare has been practicing pediatrics in Roswell, New Mexico, for 26 years. His interest in Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome (CIRS) began in 2009. Dr. McMahon first learned about CIRS after being approached by a businessman whose daughter became ill while attending a local school. The search for this child’s healing led him to Dr. Richie Shoemaker, the global expert on mold illnesses. McMahon visited Dr. Shoemaker’s practice to learn about the treatment for CIRS and saw the tremendous need for more physicians prepared to treat CIRS. He immediately opened a practice in Roswell specifically to diagnose and treat patients with CIRS, starting with 15 patients from the local school. His CIRS practice has now grown and he has seen thousands of adults and children to date.
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(0:00) Tour Update
(0:40) Coming up
(0:59) Intro
(3:32) The CIRS rabbit hole
(11:18) What percentage of buildings are affected?
(17:55) How natural selection created super toxins
(20:20) Susceptible architecture, unintended consequences
(22:48) What level of contamination constitutes a critical issue?
(26:25) 3/4ths of people are at risk
(29:20) Overlapping symptoms, bio-markers suggest it’s not coincidence
(34:23) The prime biomarkers and why they are valid
(39:56) How they test for CIRS using capillary blood cell speed
(43:04) Response time and tendency to occur
(48:36) Behavioral, cognitive, and emotional symptoms
(51:15) How they evaluate brain function
(56:52) Common illnesses and conditions that may actually be CIRS
(1:12:57) Intensification and inflammation reduction
(1:16:55) How should CIRS impact social interaction?
(1:20:36) Is CIRS causing Obesity?
(1:22:38) The GOV found their research credible, then ignored them
(1:25:26) Falling into misdiagnoses
(1:26:40) CIRS and children
(1:29:12) How genetics drives susceptibility
(1:36:43) Alzheimer’s Disease
(1:40:29) 60 papers published, and still fighting for progress against the scientific community
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[@SaintTrinianz]

This is why I live in my vehicle. I lost nearly EVERYTHING to mold but recovered my health in my van. People understand the dangers of fire but they don't understand the dangers of mold.

[@bebatov11]

I got black mold poisoning when I moved back in with my parents before I got married. I was so sick. had allergies I never had before, a cough that wouldn’t stop. This went on for almost a year, countless test and scans. It was a Intern that finally asked about black mold, we found it the guest-room I was living in. That was 14years ago and I still struggle with respiratory issues. Allergy shots help a lot, but Mold is no joke.

[@SpaghettiNoob]

Man you just described my symptoms...how do you get checked out for mold?

[@DrifterZigzag]

Where was the mold exactly? I assume not in plain site

[@Grumpisaurus]

​​@@DrifterZigzagusually it would appear in areas with moisture, so places around window sills and any openings that lead to the outside. I found black mold around my windows in the winters because when the temperature would drop frost/ice buildup would appear on my windows, then melt when we would turn up the temp in the house. Then a li5ttle pool of water would appear, and if you don't clean that water up... Mold will form

[@bebatov11]

@@DrifterZigzag it was behind the wall that had a window…couldn’t see anything on the outer walls…My dad just stated removing the drywall and it was everywhere. Turned out the window seal had a very small broken seal that allowed water in.

[@bebatov11]

@@SpaghettiNoob make an appointment with an allergist. They will both inject and scrap skin with different allergens. It’s not a fun test if you don’t like needles. Edit: the test itself will also take up much of your day. If you can’t get into an allergist in the mean time, ask your doctor for a Mycotoxin testing

[@BrantleyIAQ]

As an indoor environmental scientist, it feels really good to see this information become mainstream. I see many of my clients with these issues and it needs more attention.

[@KnewTherapy]

How do you get a job doing that? I have an Environmental Degree

[@BrantleyIAQ]

@@KnewTherapy A good place to start would be to find a local company and talk to them about a job. That’s how I hired my last employee. She graduated with an environmental degree and just reached out.

[@sherrihogge5054]

Is there a way for us poor people on disability can test the air in our house?

[@keylanoslokj1806]

Ok since it's rare to find an expert of your kind, i have to ask you sir. How does architecture and choices of building and surfaces materials affect the microbiome of a house/office?

[@BrantleyIAQ]

@@sherrihogge5054 All testing methods have limitations. They don’t give you the full story and they don’t tell you the source or how to remove the issue. The most important thing is to start with a professional mold inspector. They can vary in price.

[@gailivey2015]

All of us who have CIRS are shouting a collective "Hallelujah" that this is getting mainstream attention, FINALLY!

[@devin_3875]

I know!!! I gasped, when I saw Richie Shoemaker’s name!!! 😀

[@gunther6744]

So basically the solution is sleeping in the woods?

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@gunther6744mold grows in the woods too, especially fungus and lichen.

[@CIRSlab]

@@gunther6744 Not quite unfortunately! This is a genetic defect that has likely been around for billions of years; meaning, it's part and parcel of an ongoing biological war between organisms (in this case, humans and bacteria/fungi), so the potential for triggering CIRS is always there. It just so happens that the modern construction (perhaps also agricultural) practices have made it much more of a catastrophe than it could be.

[@joshd6876]

Hell yeah!!!

[@truno7]

Jordan Peterson from the bottom of my heart thank you so much for doing this. 4 years of suffering and 16 doctors later, I was ignored and belittled and told I was crazy. I never gave up. It is toxic mold poisoning. Water damaged buildings made me sick. This is a silent pandemic. Thank you so much for raising awareness on this issue!!!!!! It destroys lives and we have been silenced for so long

[@thedavongurkenbeet]

We have to Do something about the Geo Engineering!

[@GU__NI]

hope you get better. Wonder what the adaptogen fungus does on the symptoms and black mold issues like Lions Mane etc.

[@truno7]

@@GU__NI thank you

[@jwallace6913]

how does one get tested for this? thanks

[@TomFranklinX]

@@jwallace6913 Start with the VCS test that's available online on Dr. Shoemaker's website survivingmold.

[@susanlouck1255]

THANK GOD and Thank you Dr. Peterson for bringing this topic into the public forum! After 3 rounds of cancer, over 100 outbreaks of shingles and a host of other symptoms, I found out I had CIRS due to mold in my house. After 3 failed remediations, we left our home and possessions and moved to a home we tested thoroughly before buying. After three years with a low and slow method of ridding my body of toxins, I feel better than I have in 13 years. I'm 62 and hiking every day and always busy. This is a hidden and deadly syndrome that must be taken seriously. If you read this comment, don't let any doctor convince you otherwise. Find a mold literate doctor and persevere. This can be overcome if you have the right knowledge.

[@jwallace6913]

how does one get tested for CIRS?

[@melissamalone1817]

Start with Nutrition with Judy in Austin Texas She has several you tube videos about CIRS also. @@jwallace6913

[@truno7]

God bless you what a story. I’m living through this right now. We abandoned our home and can’t find a place to live yet! But I will remain strong.

[@nancyhewitt6834]

This talk is above my head. Is there a simplified talk? I appreciate Dr. Peterson's efforts. I just need a little more day to day language 😩 😂😢😅

[@rayshoesmith]

​@@nancyhewitt6834cirs group, two women break it down and make it understandable

[@healingwithforrest]

I lost almost 10 years of my life to mold poisoning. I was misdiagnosed with mental disorders and over medicated, which prevented me from being able to work or care for myself. I lost my job and my house got repossessed as a result of the medications and was left homeless at the start of the pandemic. Eventually I found the right doctors and after 3 months of binders and hot salt baths I was 70% recovered. Even after healing from all my symptoms my "normal" doctors gaslit me and said there's no such thing as mold poisoning!

[@my_channel_44]

What's a binder?

[@lisamcmahon9989]

@@my_channel_44 There are different binders you can take, that will bond with the mold in your body, and remove it. It is a way to detox. Colestyramine, Welchol, or there are natural binders like Charcoal, fruit pectins, and a few more out there that I cannot remember. If you are one of these people that cannot detox the mold naturally, then you need to take a binder to remove them.

[@alejandroarguello2250]

​@@my_channel_44Lol, I was gonna ask the same thing 😅.

[@BrillGirl82]

I’m in the same boat. It’s been one hell of a journey. My heart goes out to you! Keep fighting the good fight 👊🏼

[@BrillGirl82]

⁠@@my_channel_44 They’re used to remove the mycotoxins. The CIRS protocol calls for either Cholestyramine or Welchol and some docs (like Andrew Heyman) use an okra & beet powder and/or fruit pectin for patients who can’t tolerate the drugs and/or want to go a more natural route. Okra & beets apparently work exactly like Cholestyramine does in the body, just at a lesser potency and with way less side effects.

[@KnewTherapy]

Mold is not a joke at all. These guys are life savers with their work

[@JK-Handyman]

I work in home repair and remodeling on the Atlantic coast of NC. After hurricanes I see all kinds of water damage and 100% of the water damage that isn't dried out within a few hours, not days but hours, grows huge amounts of mold. If you do nothing you get giant colonies of mold behind your walls, in your attic, under your flooring. Even after everything dries out the mold is still there in its dormant stage just waiting for the next event. If your house had a major flood like a roof leak, make sure you rip out all of the drywall & remove all carpet and pad, remove everything as far as the water damage goes, clean everything with mild bleach and water, spray with antimicrobial spray, use fans and dehumidifiers to dry....If you don't your house will be sick and it will continue to spread. All houses have some mold, even new ones. I'm sure its possible that there was a house built in the dessert somewhere in which it never rained during construction & never had a leak maybe but it would be rare. Id say, If your worried about black mold toxins in the air, use a A/C filter that removes mold spores, get several air purifier for your house, dust and mop often, and open your windows to air out the toxins.

[@Random-JustAnother]

Thank you for the information!

[@my_channel_44]

Just like mushrooms, the roots of the mold are much larger than what is visible. I suspect in such an environment, mold is growing throughout modern building materials, and 'blooms' during certain times like you mentioned.

[@cozycastle]

And get an ozone machine

[@w8what575]

Use an ionizer inside the home….it makes whatever is in the air to drop out of the air and stick to the ionizer blades or whatever is close to it….only bad thing about running an ionizer in the home is it will cause the walls to get a yellowish tint regardless of whether ur a smoker or not….so the walls will need repainted or washed often but it shows all the crap that u would have been breathing in

[@brusso456]

wash with borox, mold will never return. I get '20 mule team borax' at the supermarket.

[@Lookformiraclestoday]

My family - husband and children lived in a mold infested place for 3 years without knowing it… I went from being an active mom/working mom to being bedridden at 33 years old. After discovering the mold - I knew right away what was wrong .. I immediately started researching for answers…. In 2004 - 20 years ago I found Dr. Shoemaker.. we lived in the PNW, he was in Maryland .. I called his office and he agreed to see our whole family. I still don’t how we found the financial resources to get to Maryland but we did. He spent an entire day with just our family - I am forever thankful for the difference Dr. Shoemaker made in our lives. We learned myself and one of my children had the gene that has us be way more susceptible to mold. 20 years later we are still living with the consequences of the biotoxin exposure - and we are living miracles. And 20 years later I can still tell within a minute if a building/home is mold infested - I still react. Thank you for doing this interview …. I’ve spent the last 20 years trying to get people understanding how damaging mold can be.

[@Hemel20]

How can I know if my house is mold infested? Thanks for you le comment.

[@jean-marclamothe8859]

@@Hemel20 look for info with Google, but firstly it takes water or high humidity for the formation of mold ( without that it can’t survive), second I would say the smell is a good indicators too. Not all molds are that toxic neither

[@justawoman8933]

Hmmm have you considered looking at the OAT lab test? If you still react it sou ds like you are colonized. Check out mosaic labs and consider antifungal therapy because it saved my life!

[@jeepgirl8800]

We built our home about 10 years ago. Slab home. We put vinyl planking flooring in about 5 years ago. I started getting sick a couple years ago and very sick within the last year. I started going almost insane. Felt like I was being bit by bugs, so tired, my body started doing crazy things. Don’t know what drove me to rip up one of the planks but I did, and found mold under my entire home! Just moisture coming from the concrete. I developed Morgellons which I had never even heard of before and wish I never had. We removed it now and put down epoxy now, so no more porous material! I have made slight improvements healthwise but still have a long way to go. I had a thriving career in real estate but have cut way back because I can’t handle too much. My nervous system and memory is wrecked and I don’t like to be around people anymore. I know I developed a fungal infection but have been gaslit by medical system and they make me look I’m crazy. I’ve dipped way into my retirement at 43. I have a good husband and my kids aren’t grown yet, they need me so I need to try but I’m struggling with life here.

[@GrowWithSara]

I’m so sorry for you! I would look for a good wholistic doctor if I were you. They will have more experience with molds and fungi. Have you tried taking probiotics for a long period of time to help correct bacteria? What about UV light therapies?

[@jeepgirl8800]

@@GrowWithSara no I haven’t tried those yet but weird you brought it up because I’ve been looking at the lights and been meaning to get a good probiotic. I’m in the process of getting all the amalgam out of the mouth. This is all such a process! My sugar cravings are terrible, maybe probiotics will help with that.

[@GrowWithSara]

@@jeepgirl8800 also weird because I felt really compelled to tell you those things and I wouldn’t normally comment on any health stuff. Only way to get rid of the sugar cravings is to cut it out completely which sucks, I know, but I promise you can do it!

[@Halakah7]

​@@jeepgirl8800Have you read about the carnivore diet? Both Dr. Peterson and his daughter have had profound life changes due to it. Both of them had clinical depression. BOTH recovered after going carnivore... There are numerous YT kids on this.

[@0Eliza0]

Oh man - me too - did you also have Lyme do you think?

[@robiny.4395]

We had black mold in our home in a wall, I guess for years. This was in Southern California. We all felt tired, but when our healthy young dog died as did our cat, we were getting suspicious. My son was very young and in Kindergarten started having seizures, all over body paid, GERD etc. we finally had it professionally tested and found black mold and other toxic molds. The techs told me they had to report it to the Health Department and I would need to remove my son from the home. He was 12 at the time. So all those years he was exposed to toxic molds for all his life. Now he’s 27 has allergies, GERD, Fibromyalgia, POTS and anxiety and is on SS as a result. This is no joke, and if he has another exposure to mold it will be worse for him. Watch out for mold and also if any of you are using cannabis for pain and inflammation, there can be mold in it.

[@bobthrasher8226]

How did you remediate the issue and did you recover afterward? Did you have leaky pipes?

[@gogocube3924]

Smoke smoke smoke smoke that mold

[@BubbleMix-96]

thats terrible. where was the mold located?

[@superresistant8041]

What did you do to combat mold?

[@annamiller3872]

My daughter turns 12 in a few wks and the place we lived for her ENTIRE life had mold in the air ducts. They were up at the 2nd story so unaccessable unless you had a tall painters ladder. I asked over a dozen xs for them to clean/replace the AC unit in the duct bc I thought that was the problem. Wasn't til I got a ladder myself and looked at it that I realized... near 12yrs of mold exposure. The ENTIRE air duct was covered in black mold. The air went straight into our bedrooms... I feel like the worst mom on earth. How could I not know for so long??!? My daughter has GI, respiratory, anxiety, adhd symptoms...etc. now and I'm so worried about her. Idk if you'll read this but if you do, may I ask for tips and anything you would have done differently if you knew then what you know now? I do not mean this in any kind of insulting way at all... I've just learned that the past is usually 20/20 and it takes time to put all the puzzle pieces together. So I'm just trying to find the pieces as quickly as I can so she doesn’t suffer long-term, as much as possible. Thank you for sharing 💜

[@rubyeaw6405]

"It takes a long time to kill you from asbestos, but mold just makes you feel like you want to die." When I heard this from Dr. Shoemaker, I can say it is exactly how I feel living with CIRS. It either induces suicidal thoughts, or gives so much pain that I would rather not live.

[@elsakitty8690]

Jesus Christ truly supplies miracles. I received a physical miracle, we were praying hard -- but not until several hundred people prayed for me at once at a pray meeting did my healing come. There is power in prayer! There is hope!

[@bperez8656]

What do you mean it takes a long time to kill you from asbestos? Don’t you just need a little bit in your system and it kills you over time?

[@flinch622]

Also, I'm gobsmacked the GAO is modifying definitions. I don't go to an accountant if I'm sick, and doctors look to actual researchers to stay abreast of medical matters. This is so far outside the lane... come to think of it, what agency IS staying in their lane at present? Brings new meaning to a term I've come to adopt: free range morons. Unbelievable.

[@BrillGirl82]

I can relate 😕

[@michellelay3140]

Ruby, I'm so there with you, I've been chronically sick for a whole, it just truly reared its head 8 days ago. I promise suicide has crossed my mind. The struggle, the depression that comes with this just makes suicide look like the easiest best option. Thank you for still being here, I feel like you were the answer I needed tonight. That I'm not alone in all this with my feelings!!

[@TryppRyffel]

This man doesn’t get near as much credit as he deserves

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

Anyone who rubs shitlibs the wrong way is denied the praise of regime media

[@artsyelectriathletic]

Yeah I heard Canada is taking away his clinical psychologist license too

[@Human_01]

JP and his medical hosts deserve more credit... I agree!

[@marcelkuiper5474]

The good never do, Jordan has been gaining traction though

[@taryabentley]

What else has been taken away, please! And, why are they taking this license? … I’m not privy to information about these things, and therefore know nothing. But from what I’ve seen and heard I don’t understand why they are taking anything from this man. I’ve always heard good reports about him. Never anything that would destroy his reputation. ..Wait, is this what’s happening, trying to destroy his reputation without proof? My opinion is this man spreads truth…….@@artsyelectriathletic

[@BrillGirl82]

Good job Mikhaila for getting your dad to talk about this! Those of us with CIRS really appreciate you both!! 🩷

[@normajeanchariot]

Thank you for raising awareness of this horrific illness. I suffer from this and it has essentially ruined my life. I have no where to live, no where safe to work, no one to turn to and no way out. We desperately need mold free housing built asap.

[@BrillGirl82]

It’s so isolating and imprisoning. Have you tried any of the CIRS support groups on FB and/or the Gupta Program? I’ve found those to be at least somewhat helpful… it’s nice to connect with others going through the same thing. Big hugs 🩷

[@JennySimon206]

Me too. I am realizing my health has deteriorated badly. I am reacting to something in the environment. I have small fiber neuropathy and can't be in a mold infested apartment. The roof is now leaking into the apartment. Pretty sure they aren't fixing it because they want to demolish the building. The neighbor moved cuz it was making her sick and they haven't moved anyone new in.

[@sammydog4417]

CIRS sufferer here! My 19 yo daughter was just diagnosed as well. She's a psych major and listens to you often. Thank you for recognizing this colossal issue and spreading awareness.

[@MichaelMerritt]

Where did you go to get her diagnosed? And have you had any success recovering or managing? Thanks.

[@Adventure2305]

Which specialist or tests diagnose it 🙏?

[@sammydog4417]

@@MichaelMerritt We did a telelheath provider out of FL who is now no longer able to practice remotely except for in the states of NC and TX where he is getting licensed as well. There are other providers who can treat remotely however. The wait lists are often long so best to get on one.

[@sammydog4417]

@@Adventure2305 Two camps of thought - Dr Shoemaker or Dr Neil Nathan. Look for providers certified by those docs.

[@theforgottenson0916]

Depression can also be caused by the folks being in such pain, unable to function properly and fight chronuc fatigue

[@arwenstrong2818]

Bingo.

[@rayshoesmith]

💯!!

[@tonyc223]

This opens up a whole new diagnostic for many illness.

[@cindianderson9443]

I suffered from CIRS most of my 59 year life, and have dozens of other things that resulted from years of mold illness including being on permanent disability with chronic fatigue syndrome. This stuff is real, and Dr Shoemaker's saved my life.

[@jean-marclamothe8859]

How did he?

[@cindianderson9443]

@@jean-marclamothe8859 By being the first one to figure out that biotoxins such as mold were a cause of many of his patients with CFS. By my 30's I was so sick I was on permanent disability, barely got out of bed for 2 years, my brain barely functioned (they measured and said I'd lost 50 IQ points), I felt like I had the flu all the time, had massive headaches and had been on antibiotics for sinus infections most of my life and had many surgeries. My immune system was so suppressed that I had high levels of every virus they tested for such as EBV, CMB, HHV6, etc. And I had developed MCS and couldn't leave the house. He trained my doctor, we all figured out together I had mold illness, Cholestyramine got me 95% of the way back to normal.

[@lisamarie2784]

Right there with you.

[@cindianderson9443]

@@jean-marclamothe8859 I don't understand this. I wrote a long reply and it is gone. Censored?

[@balnazzar123]

what did you do to get better ?

[@andrewvoorhees1047]

Back in the 70's and into the 80's builders and remodelers were using plastic sheeting as a vapor barrier between the stud wall and the drywall, big mistake causes more problems than it solved in most cases, a structure must be able to breath otherwise mold and mildew will grow

[@jonathansmith3031]

That's in the Canadian building code to this day. It's mandatory. I think it's ridiculous.

[@nordia1976]

I put in plastic humidity barrier without covering it for a while. The humidity behind it would build up to very high levels causing mold on the wood structure. If I had put drywall over it I would not have noticed. People are urged to extra insulate their house and put the plastic sheet barrier everywhere.

[@gisellemorrell1924]

HERX REACTION

[@douglasregehr9381]

Jordan, I’m very glad you chose to highlight this. My wife and her clinic have been working with chronic illness and CIRS patients using the shoemaker protocol for about a year now. Both my wife and I had CIRS and I believe that it affects so many people in so many ways that they believe to simply be “a part of life.” Truly amazing research and treatment.

[@monicaz4949]

WOW. Peterson talking about toxic mold!!!!! Im so happy right now. Ive been exposed unknowingly for decades and soo sick. Glad someone of your level with your platform has found interested in this important topic

[@parentaladvisory66]

How did you find it?

[@YasminMahnaz]

No one answer this question how did find it how we find it

[@HighSpeedNoDrag]

I experienced Mold Toxicity and it hit me so fast, I was overwhelmed and my breathing was severely impaired.

[@monicaz4949]

envirobiomics dust sample testing and mymycolab mycotoxin antibody blood test@@parentaladvisory66

[@monicaz4949]

@@parentaladvisory66 one house it was visible, the other i did a envirobiomics dust mycotoxin test.

[@sanctuaryhomewellness]

OMG I am so grateful for this information. I'm a designer, home builder and wellness consultant passionate about addressing the home environment as a part of health, especially during treatment for disease. I always sensed that the building materials we use are more toxic especially when they break down with mold. This is the smoking gun!!! I have studied extensively natural building and have lived in mud structures in Guatemala and bamboo in Costa rica. Never did I experience any mold in the structures, they're natural!! Our current building materials are generally toxic on their own, add moisture and make extra toxic mold!!! With the modern human so sick these days I am convinced that environment is a huge part of our health. Thank you for covering this.

[@frebrd78]

Well said.. 👍

[@Adventure2305]

How to test for mold we lived in condo building w frequent flooding next door a got sick ?

[@susanremensperger8591]

I feel like I’ve suspected this all along when I started getting symptoms & now I see that there are so many people confirming this! How can I get more information about dealing with CIRS? I have lived in diffferent rental units that I believe were toxic & I can even smell the mildew but no one seems to believe me!

[@starabaker]

My boyfriend is a mold expert and does mold remediation in Northern Virginia. There are so many cases. He is the best, he wants to help but wow, so many people want to ignore the issue.

[@pejv7903]

how do I know if I have mold in my house and how to fix it?

[@starabaker]

@@pejv7903 its kinda tricky cause it goes unnoticed at first (no signs except physical symptoms). After a while, you will see spores or black stains, usually in rooms with humidity (bathroom etc) but it can be anywhere, even around window frames… also, you will have symptoms like fatigue or difficulty breathing. the BEST solution is to call a professional (or several) and ask for testing first. Once testing results come, the professional in mold remediation interprets results and will tell you what are the best steps to take for your situation. It’s better to have a professional who wears several hats (like my bf) who also knows about reno, home building, and a bit of electricity etc. If you are in Northern Virginia,the company is called Mold Removal Services in Sterling. He travels all over Northern VA.

[@arwenstrong2818]

My landlord won't take the mold I found seriously. They say only black mold hurts you, and this is just normal mildew. Meanwhile, I'm suffering mental and physical effects I did not have before. Are they right about black mold?

[@Tetarkall]

@@pejv7903I believe you can get your air tested. I don’t know the specifics of that though, you should look into it

[@starabaker]

@@arwenstrong2818 this is incorrect and dangerous. Call a mold remediation expert and explain your situation. Maybe you can play with insurance in order to cover the cost of remediation.

[@MSV667]

Thank you Dr. Peterson and Dr. Shoemaker. I purchased a home that had hidden mold and water damage. It started with headaches, then blurry vision, chronic fatigue, after a couple months it progressed into debilitating brain fog, nerve pain, temperature deregulation and seizures. Within a year I was struggling to do basic things and lost my business while being tossed from Doctor to Doctor with several wrong diagnoses. 100's of thousands of dollars of medical debt. Then we found the source in the home and I had to abandon the house and detox and run the shoemaker protocol for a year. It was the worst thing I've ever experienced. Thanks to his work and protocols I'm a fully functioning individual just a couple years later. Still sensitive to it. Immediate blurry vision when I cross it randomly in gas stations or stores. But overall back to normal after intense rehabilitation, detox and hard work. I really appreciate you guys bringing attention to this so others can get properly diagnosed and treated!

[@senatorjosephmccarthy2720]

If you take your car to a mechanic and he doesn't fix it, he has to get it right before he's paid. If you go to the medicine man and he doesn't fix it, he still gets the money. That's one reason the Creator calls this world's system Babylon. Confusion.

[@Adventure2305]

Whit what test or specialist did you discovered about the mold making you sick ?

[@Omoroseangel]

OMG I understand, I went through similar sickness, almost losing everything. :( Detoxing saved my life. Regular doctors are NOT trained in detoxification - they are trained in medicines - which adds to our toxic levels. Shame on the industry, major upgrading is needed.

[@ianbell6680]

I am going through what you have mentioned blurry vision and fatigue i have eczema and mental health problems also insomnia my whole world evolves in trying to survive the day to day misery of this hidden problem, thank you

[@MSV667]

@@Adventure2305 VCS contrast sensitivity test- failed terribly before treatment. Passed after 4 months. Mosaic diagnostics OAT test. Typical findings for mold are tanked Glutathione levels- high dopamine, low adrenaline among others. Mycotoxin urine test. Shoemaker VCS and symptom cluster. All failed before and all passed after treatment. HRTSM-2 test for home and basic air and physical sample to prove strain and identify mycotoxin and mold strain. Microbiologydx labs MARCONS test- failed before treatment. I started treatment with.holistic doctor and that resolved nothing so I went with a shoemaker approved Dr. Dr. Andrew Heyman and he helped with correct binders and RXs

[@davemcmurrick7962]

My small pointer is, keep your rain gutters cleaned often, they get leafy matter and pollen in them, and then it rots and more of that air can get into your house than you think.

[@arihelsgfx4353]

7 years (age 30-37) of living in toxic mold. One month since I left and I am detoxing at the moment. This is a serious topic and the fact that there is no proper government regulation on this is INSANE to me! People slowly dying in their homes where they go to rest from a hard days work. Your home is the one place you should feel safe not poisoned! 02.12.2024 I just came back here to add a few things. One of the reasons I think mold is not regulated by the government is because in a family of 5 people, maybe only one person gets severely ill so because it affects people differently and because it doesn’t affect EVERYONE, this issue hasn’t been addressed properly. Another reason is because the politicians are getting paid by all the rich people/slumlords that own these properties. Once a building is found to have inhabitable amount of mold it becomes difficult to sell the property so everyone looks the other way. This is why when these people purchase apartment buildings they opt out of doing mold inspections. They just both shake hands and look the other way when it is damn obvious that the building they are buying has mold. * I also strongly believe the rise of candida in people is due to mold but I am not a doctor but just wanted to put my suspicion out there if it helps anyone. Also, I cannot reiterate this enough! If you are someone who is experiencing mold illness “YOU ARE NOT CRAZY”!!! The lack of awareness and the inability of medical doctors to catch and diagnose this illness will leave you feeling EXTREMELY invalidated! I got to a point where I convinced myself that I was making up my symptoms and that it was all in my head because what else can I do when I ran out of explanations and every single doctor I saw over the course of 7 years telling me there is nothing wrong with me. Hang in there, the mental, emotional and psychological distress is no fucking joke. Understand that mold/fungus fucks with your gut micro biome which then fucks with your brain because most chemicals that support your brain are being produced in your gut. This is also why you can’t sleep through the night. Chemicals + proteins play a big part in you falling asleep and STAYING asleep. And once your sleep is out the door, it is another level of pain and suffering that I CANNOT describe. I literally understand why they use sleep deprivation when interrogating people, I know this sounds crazy to say but mold can do that to you. So it is EXTREMELY important that you understand the magnitude of how mold is fucking up your life. I looooooooove life and this fucking thing had me wanting to end it many times. I fucking love being here! I got this far because of the people that I love and love me. At the end of the day, you are the only one living in your body so if the medical doctors fail you, don’t gaslight yourself! What you are feeling is VERY fucking real!

[@KristeeBee]

Exactly

[@lynneldridgebeloved]

We found a water leak in my parents bathroom that had evidently been there a while. While we were getting it fixed we found mold. We called a mold remediation company. The insurance company usually covers it but read/know your policy. I had a house without adequate ventilation in the attic. It grew mold. Anywhere there is a roof and rain or plumbing there needs to be maintenance. Mold doesn’t care if you are rich or poor or what you think. We have to be responsible for where we live and our own health.

[@arihelsgfx4353]

@@lynneldridgebelovedfirstly i was born and raised in ethiopia and our homes are constructed either from solid cement walls or people in the outskirts of ethiopia build their homes from straw and mud which is naturally an antifungal. there are other reasons mold doesn’t grow on mud homes, feel free to read about it. so with that said, mold in my living space is new to me but i guess welcome to america, it seems to be a major problem here! in addition to that, my husband and i are very responsible people, i didn’t realize expecting and habitable condition from the people/company we pay rent to every month is an irresponsible expectation. please don’t make assumptions about who we are, we know damn well who we are.

[@lynneldridgebeloved]

@@arihelsgfx4353 I did not refer to your situation or you. I’m sorry you took it that way. Not all apartments have mold. I am in one. I pay rent. If I see mold I will report it to the landlord. If he doesn’t fix it I will move. I am not attacking you or anyone.

[@priscilla.colburn444]

Good advice without the foul verbiage.

[@drstevedingus9324]

We had some mould in our house from three wet years. Even after it went away I still had almost constant allergy symptoms. Eventually I went to the doctor - blood test showed I have a mild mould allergy. He suggested I could have mould growing in my sinus cavities. CT scan was fairly clear, but I was convinced it was in there. I used Neilmed salin nasal wash, but this time I put a fair bit of pressure on it and closed the other nostril. I felt the solution go all the way in to my ear canal. Your 2 cavities have a small opening between them. Over the coming days my throat hurt, and I spat up grass green mould. I feel WAY better now. You can add a spoonful of white vinegar to the solution to give it more mould killing power.

[@user-xv6wh1ed3y]

That is insane

[@theofficialnikkisnews]

Thank you for sharing this. I believe this will help me as well.

[@drstevedingus9324]

@@user-xv6wh1ed3y yes. Went for a couple of years wearing masks and stuffing toilet paper up my nose to try and get some relief. I would never have considered that what I was allergic to was growing INSIDE my head 🤣

[@user-xv6wh1ed3y]

@@drstevedingus9324 yeah no kidding.

[@JJ3nkins89]

@@drstevedingus9324 TP stuffing just to get a few minutes of smooth breath?

[@IISocratesII]

Mold in housing is a massive issue here in the UK, lived in a room that like clockwork every winter would get mold around the window and above it where the ceiling meets, i had the windows changed, unblocked the gutters, had the gutters relined, checked the loft to see if it was an insulation issue, you name it, still came back, i had to scrub it off and use an anti-mould paint every time and used had a big dehumidifier in the room (which guzzled electricity)

[@everyonecancraft70]

20 years ago I saw a council flat with the bedroom walls covered with black mold. The tenants were told that the flat was damp because they lived in a wet way. I was told that these flats had single skin walls and flat roofs. Such properties are known to be deadly.

[@ajs41]

It's better to be cold and leave the windows open than get mould.

[@LprogressivesANDliberals]

Bless you guys stay safe amen 🙏🏾 💯

[@IISocratesII]

@@ajs41 That's exactly what i did, made no difference, never dried clothes indoors either, the problem i suspect with the property was that the backside of the house (where the window was) was in perpetual shade, it never seen the sun apart from a tiny window or time very early morning, the rest of the day it was in shade, this is corroborated by the fact the toilet room (which was seperate from the bathroom) also got mould, it only ever happened on the rearward facing room walls.

[@matthewburns7989]

My home is like this. Mold everywhere and winter a nightmare. The house is ex council (bought in 2002) and nearly 70 years old. I honestly can’t see how the house will be mediated within next 30 years, probably would need tearing down. It’s a semi..

[@Soul_Contract]

Toxic mold ruined my life and still does. It can become an invisible nightmare to develop hypersensitivities to it with very little to no standard treatment. You have to seek out very hard to find functional medicine doctors. Doctor shoemaker is THE man on this. I live with this condition. It's horrific.

[@atari7001]

If you have hypersensitivity, you’ve been colonized. Delete the invader and you will regain health. Test your blood and stool. They likely will be positive for mold.

[@asdisskagen6487]

We had black mold in a house we used to live in. The health impacts were no joke; ever since, each house I have lived in has been tested. I will NEVER spend extended periods of time in sick buildings.

[@roxanaroxana4144]

what actually have you done, please give me some ideas , I am living in an apartment and I think it has mold . I've addressed my concern to my manager but she keeps ignoring me.

[@asdisskagen6487]

@@roxanaroxana4144 We owned our own home, so we were able to bring in a company to treat it. If you live someplace where you cannot treat the infestation, you will need to move.

[@roxanaroxana4144]

Thank you for the quick response.@@asdisskagen6487

[@annamillar4794]

BEST joke of All. THEY marry!! Welcome 2 their family. HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA. Unluckyyy

[@nontoxicenvironments]

So happy that JP has put the weight of his program to this. This is our generations asbestos problem.

[@MoldSurvivors]

Dr. Peterson, you just added a new army of supporters. You have no idea how encouraging it is to have this topic covered by someone with as large an audience as yourself. As a father of 6 kids that all had very serious symptoms from toxic mold including multiple kids developing seizures, autoimmune conditions and a list of over 100 symptoms onset within a few months... this has to start getting more attention. Again, thanks.

[@my_channel_44]

As someone else said, it is this generation's asbestos. But probably worse, I'll add!

[@Lalallalu]

MoldSurvivor - all the very best to your family, especially your kids!

[@foreverAmk]

Thank you for giving Shoemaker a platform. People with CIRS have suffered so much and have lost everything.

[@sammydog4417]

The financial devastation and homelessness is the cherry on top after physically and mentally being decimated for years. May we all heal.

[@matthewd759]

In New Zealand this is an epidemic. Our houses are usually overcrowded (as we have not built enough of them to properly house the population), poorly heated, poorly insulated, poorly ventilated. Also many of the houses built in the 80’s and 90’s were poorly constructed and had leaks, causing them to rot from the inside.

[@ericv738]

Do something about it. JP says to change what you can in your immediate community. Can houses in New Zealand be constructed in such a way so as to be preventative of black mold? Develop a thesis, test it, form a company, demonstrate your methods to investors, and build houses that people want to live in because of their anti fungal properties. I guarantee that the current mainstream construction industry is building incorrectly for your climate in your country. Everything from air flow to materials used can be tested, changed and implemented into the "anti-mold" house. Then charge a fair price, and grow rich because of your efforts. That's how a society is supposed to address problems.

[@Tekagi502]

@@ericv738 It's not entirely the houses fault. Cultural practices contribute a lot to mold in old houses due to hanging washing indoors with no ventilation and not opening windows and or doors in the bathroom during and after having hot showers. Overcrowding in the islander communities is common especially when they have a large amount of children as well as their grand parents and other relatives in the same house.

[@stephenadams2397]

Testify.

[@undermuscled7381]

as you say there were known "leaky" homes built in NZ. This was a result of sub standard materials and unskilled labour.

[@denisegaylord382]

We are starting to see the same in some places in America. Especially in these developments where they build "planned communities". The developers and builders are more worried about a profit, than building the homes right. They figure on average most homeowners here do at least 1 major renovation every 7 to 10 years. The contractors leave the problems for the next guy. It's about production and how fast they can slap them together and get them sold. It's sad because these homes aren't cheap to begin with. One subdivision near me, when they first started, 30+ years ago, the houses there started at like $250,000/house, the land was anywhere from 10 to 50K depending on where it was. I guess now they are over 500K + another 100K for the land. It's wild to think for that kind of money, your home should be built to withstand the elements.

[@lukegriffiths4333]

I had a mold issue and was able to control it using damprid. I also got a cheap humidity sensor, and kept adding more bags of damprid until the humidity levels came down. It took a *lot* of the damprid in my case - 21 bags hanging simultaneously in a 500 SF apartment. But my humidity source was quite a problem: zero ventilation in the bathroom. It was worth it. My mental health improved massively in days. I went from living in a dark and hopeless world to living my normal life. For less than $100, I may have even avoided suicide. I got out of that apartment as fast as I could. Landlord let me break the lease. To her credit, she also responded with carpet cleaners when I mentioned the mold problem. Before I learned about controlling it via humidity, before I realized it was mold, I just thought of it as “my apartment has a smell”. I would put baking soda down on the carpet and vacuum it up later, and that helped for a day or two at a time. But the smell would come back. Musty odor, almost like water damage. If your place has a smell, start with a humidity sensor. If it’s reading over 50% consistently you’ve got a problem.

[@Random-JustAnother]

Thank you for the info!!

[@Nutra5]

Thanks man

[@caregivergirlk]

Oh no !

[@for_your_entertainment]

I think this is very synchronistic for me because I just moved out of my house because of a mold issue, literally two weeks ago, the same time this came out. I'm just now watching it. Wild.

[@lyndseyvandenberg3030]

Thank you for conducting this interview 🙏 I have been suffering with CIRS my entire life and have only recently gotten a firm diagnosis after seeing countless physicians of various backgrounds. Thank you for spreading awareness!

[@brandonboulton2776]

I had childhood epilepsy from black mold exposure. Moved out of that house and fine ever since.

[@LadyJaneJolene]

May I ask what the frequency of your epileptic episodes were? I have a child who began having seizures recently and am trying to discern from several possibilities.

[@brandonboulton2776]

@@LadyJaneJolene Have your home inspected by a professional.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@LadyJaneJolene I had seizures starting when I was nine. The cause was brain inflammation but they could never tell me what caused that. I believe it to be environmental toxicity, though it's impossible to be sure. Environmental toxicity could be toxins in food/water, vaccines, chemicals or even the plastics in your clothes.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

First time I've seen seizures mentioned, and I'm also curious about your experience.

[@almacintyre4104]

Suffering for over 30 years now. Tore down and rebuilt the entire second floor of our house, completely remediated and dried out basement, and intensive filtration/ozone treatments, reducing certain symptoms, but still in a highly compromised situation. This is the very first regimen of treatment that’s made any sense or given me any hope for a way out.

[@sandrapetrucci975]

You need to detoxify the mold from your body with binders like chlorella and activated charcoal then the prescription medicine itraconazole. Test your urine through Realtime Labs. Find a mold literate practitioner. Dr. Jill Christa and Nathan Neil are also great resources. It's a slow process but you get there and it will be worth it.

[@sammydog4417]

I'm with you - been 20 yrs for me and $400K plus in costs. Finally am in a much better environment since June and taking CSM (the only binder with the correct charge) and the detox has been unbelievable. Slowly feeling better each month that passes. Don't give up!

[@martine8457]

Que ce la Foi et la force vous accompagne et vous exauce 💥💞💥

[@truno7]

Reading your perseverance is so motivating to me. Thank you for sharing this. Ozone has really helped you?

[@RippleDrop.]

We ozonized everything. It doesn't work unfortunately even though they say it does.

[@korbyn49]

I live in Phoenix, learned about CIRS on Mikhaila’s podcast. Started the Shoemaker protocol and I am nearly healed after 2 and half years of torture. Currently on VIP spray. This treatment saved my life.

[@oggepogge2038]

Happy for you! Im getting the treatment to.

[@rachelstein1382]

What's the VIP spray

[@korbyn49]

@@rachelstein1382 Vasointestinal Peptide

[@poppyseeds.]

@korbyn49 did you test with these drs or through a local doc? Does insurance cover it? If not, approximately how much does it cost to do it? Have spent 50k out of pocket in 3 yrs through functional medicine, supplements etc. broke tired and sicker than ever😅 so tired of spending money on things that don’t work

[@my_channel_44]

​@@poppyseeds.The only thing insurance covers is what doesn't work, in my experience.

[@avaceleste]

I am so grateful to see you covering this!! I experienced getting very ill from black mold. It took 1 year and tons of specialists. Tons of misdiagnoses. And this is quite common. I now work with an environmental inspection company and get to help people going through this every day. The fact that people react so differently is what makes many dismiss the severity. There is hope y’all.

[@thedavongurkenbeet]

Geo Engineering is a huge factor. It is keeping the sunlight away, too much rain is helping the mold to grow and in addition they're spraying spores.

[@BrillGirl82]

😢😢😢

[@topsuperseven7910]

Hey I had this! Yes, a relative was living in a dank basement suite and there was mold and black mold all over the place. I helped them power-clean the place and especially the shower. What I suppose happened is scrubbing and blasting all the mold off the walls is when I got too much exposure. Maybe 3-6 weeks later, I cant recall the exact time but I remember I was feeling so bad, I'd get super hot flushes from the slightest efforts but then I'd get chilled. At a point I was so exhausted, like to-the-core exhaustion, utterly sapped, to stand up was like effort. Finally I go to the doctor and when the blood tests return they have me all but 'emergency evac' to a cancer clinic for big extended tests (leukemia i think it was?) and by the time that happens the 'bad blood count' is going down and down and or the 'good blood count' was going up and up. Indeed, I start feeling better and better and maybe a month later back to my old self. I don't know if I suffered permanent damage though, I think I'm okay. It did ruin my life for a while though. I really can't remember the tests but whatever it was they seemed sure that a kind of black mold was the only remaining explanation and what can do whatever was done. (If its not Leukemia)

[@terifelts1585]

Jordan B Peterson this subjects needs so much more!!! Thank you so much for doing this! Mold sufferer here. So ill and finally figure it out. I lived in a home with leaky windows for 20 years. There are so many living in mold and cannot get out landlords are ignoring many individuals and many do not understand how important it is to clean water intrusion us correctly. I implore you to go one step further and look into Oxalates as molds produce oxalates in the body and create a whole host of health issues....doctors are not trained in mold or oxalates metabolism issues in the body. A great Doctor to interview on this would be Dr. Bob Miller and his associate Emily Garner. Thanks so much!!!

[@mariekatherine5238]

I got mold poisoning from an old homestead where I was resident caretaker for three months, a summer. I had body aches, fatigue, cough, low grade fever with no explanation, brain fog, depression. A dozen doctors and all sorts of tests revealed nothing. I was accused of malingering and nearly lost my job. I suspected mold all along, but was told it was unlikely and there was no means of testing for it. This was in 1999. The symptoms began to fade slowly, and I placed myself on a strict vegan diet, drank lots of teas, took colon cleanses, and spent time outdoors in the sun. It took a year for the symptoms to clear. Now, however, I am super sensitive to mold. A minute or less, and I’ll start to feel nauseous and wheeze.

[@my_channel_44]

You still have the mycotoxins in your system. Iodine, 50mg/day. I helped Tools and Tactics get on it. His videos today (2/24) are markedly better than he was two months ago. He's been on it for that long.

[@my_channel_44]

I would also like to hear of any other effective remediation.

[@BrillGirl82]

@@my_channel_44I take Iodine for other reasons (and, well, because we all need it) and have heard that it helps with mold, but haven’t looked into it much. Tell me more please! Does it work similarly to binders? Was diagnosed with CIRS in 2015 and have had a lot of setbacks since then. It’s been a windy road. I’m currently taking 12.5mg of Lugol’s and for now that’s all I can tolerate. It really amps up my anxiety. 🥴

[@user-bc4gs7hp4s]

Thank you for communicating this! As a healthcare worker, I experienced unimaginable challenges during the COVID crisis. I devoted myself to helping others while living and working out of an airstream trailer. Unfortunately, this seemingly safe haven turned out to have water intrusion issues stemming from a back door that defied repair after six attempts by the airstream dealership. As a result, I fell seriously ill and was eventually diagnosed with CIRS. Testing revealed the presence of Chaetomium globosum, a highly toxic black mold, and actinomycetes, a bacteria that thrives in water-damaged environments, within the trailer. I am currently undergoing treatment, but the toll this has taken on my health and well-being cannot be overstated.

[@my_channel_44]

What treatments work?

[@user-bc4gs7hp4s]

The shoemaker protocol for CIRS: Getting out and away from the harmful exposure, taking Welchol or cholestryramine for a month or two, testing and treating for MARCoNS, then finally starting VIP nasal spray@@my_channel_44

[@conniepr]

How do you treat it?

[@saranic8826]

I'm SO amazed to see this, I've had 10+ head surgeries due to trapped and consequences of mold, with a background in design before and I realized how our homes were built with such an ability to cause illness. Thank you for addressing this!

[@leahkelly8306]

The first symptom I experience if I am exposed to toxic chemicals, mycotoxins etc. is vision changes…. blurring unable to focus that quickly worsens depending on exposure. It is the my sign to, “Get the hell out of here!”

[@Antioche]

I live in a mobile home meant for the lower 48. (Alaska) It was built in the early seventies. No form of winterization is available due to a previous owner having-had the state lend assistance in that matter. (twenty years prior) At this point, the water damage to the building is significant. The roof leaks in several areas & the mobile home court makes consistent checks to ensure we are not doing any rebuild to the homes we own. (It's more complicated than that, but the short version is ' we aren't allowed to do the work that would be needed to fix these dwellings we own, due to them (codes) needing to be recreated in EXACTLY the same fashion. i.e. "no replacement roofs" Not only are these exact replacement remodels not feasible with modern building materials or practices, but they have been proven even when attempted, as ineffective bandages now for years. I have had to remove & or replace insulation in the entirety of my kitchen roof, but was unable to replace the sheetrock on the ceiling due to the continued leaks. Our homes are damaged, our walls are filled with black & green & grey molds, our floors rot out under our feet & have to be replaced by our own hands piecemeal in efforts to keep our homes livable.. I think there may be something to this.

[@my_channel_44]

Alaska? Muh freedom? Sounds like you continue to stay in an HOA which is killing you.

[@zanedzikonski4234]

How does one replace insulation in a mobile home without replacing the drywall? Most mobile homes I know don’t have much of an attic and you can’t exactly take drywall down and replace it very easily

[@Antioche]

Well... As you said, it isn't an easy job. ( Most older mobile homes are not drywall, they are a pressed cardboard fiber material. ) & yes it all has to be replaced bit by bit if you're serious in doing so. You also have to do it yourself. Not a contractor in my state is willing to work on the, No plumbers even. (They will literally hang up on you.)@@zanedzikonski4234

[@w8what575]

@@zanedzikonski4234mobile homes that aren’t new models have paneling instead of drywall to keep the weight of the structure minimal…yes, it’s possible to replace the insulation without replacing the paneling…insulation can be stapled into place and wouldn’t need to be covered to keep it in place….

[@w8what575]

I have a 1977 mobile home that I just got possession of again after a tenant wouldn’t leave for 8 years…it was in horrible shape when I got it back…the roof was leaking along the edges of the home and down into the walls and finally started leaking on the walls inside the home….I got up along the gutter area and unscrewed the gutters and scraped all the old putty and gunk off the siding and roof side and use “through the roof” caulking to reseal the gutter to the home and seal off any leaks…..it helped tremendously at the moment….im in the Midwest where we just got through that arctic vortex so everything is still very muddy and nasty….the roof can be done with new rubber and mobile home tar coating….total cost of supplies would be around $1000 and it would be considered a “new” roof on an older mobile home….if the trailer court gives u any grief, remind them that what they’re doing is violating ur human rights and that if they don’t back off, u can gather many more people they’re causing harm to with their frivolous rules and demands and force them to back off via a law suit….look up the housing laws on the state attorney generals website for ur state…the eeoc has specialized committees that handle cases like urs and at no cost to the claimant

[@solaiscosmos4637]

This needs to be mainstream it’s a huge problem and my home has black mold and can’t afford to move

[@billmachelor8260]

bleach

[@solaiscosmos4637]

@@billmachelor8260 yeah but it’s up in the interior of the ceilings where I can’t get to

[@Shan-mv9pq]

@@billmachelor8260bleach will make it worse! The mold will shoot off mycotoxins.

[@everyone2975]

There isn't a better option than to move, unfortunately. Try outfitting the garage for living space if you have one.

[@holylabs]

@@billmachelor8260bleach will spread it. You need it removed. If ever use bleach make sure you pour and not spray and can ventilate the fumes before living in that area again.

[@McRum-ed5ye]

I’ve lost 4 years to CIRS … been using binders for 1-2 years … the mold community needs awareness and help. It’s tragic to know what has taken your health but not have the resources to recover. Thanks for spreading awareness.

[@insertmyidentityhere]

That seems like a long time to use binders...what kind?...

[@my_channel_44]

Yes, what binders? And does no one read their comment follow-ups? 😂

[@rubyeaw6405]

@@my_channel_44 The main binder Dr. Shoemaker uses is cholestyramine. There are other ones such as activated charcoal, bentonite clay, zeolite, and etc...

[@pouringwithgrace9516]

More than this horrible sickness. The judgement from my family and friends hurts the worst. The lack of help and them thinking I'm lazy breaks my heart. I spent all my money trying to get better and figure out what was going on. I wish I would have known about these docs that know how to help you heal. I believe in Jesus and I believe He can heal me. This is a nightmare but I have hope in Him.

[@rayshoesmith]

Jesus sent you on the path of healing with this information, same as he did with me .

[@pouringwithgrace9516]

I need to find a doc that can help where I live in NC. And yes I believe Jesus led me to this video also. Praise The Lord!

[@lingsuyen9509]

I'm so sorry about the attitude of your family and friends. I understand because I went through it and still do. God Bless and do Healing and Deliverance sessions.

[@donnahubler881]

WoW! Dr. McMahon is/was my doctor, he helped me SO much! An absolute mastermind regarding this topic. My health is not totally restored but I’m doing the best I can. It was unfortunate that my insurance refused to pay for my treatment. Jordan Peterson you are my favorite too! Thank all of you for this presentation.

[@sandrapetrucci975]

Toxic mold ruined my 21 year old daughters health. Its so important to get the message out. Treatment from a proper practitioner is needed and then you will see progress. Its not any easy road but it is possible to get your health back. My daughter is now back on track. Good luck to all!!

[@martine8457]

Force te courage et que Dieu vous ouvre la voie d'un rétablissement total et définitif 💥💞💥

[@alessshorts]

Wow, how did you solve the issue? It’s really overwhelming when I hear things like this because I don’t live alone I live with my family and I’m not sure if they’ll be able to check or any telltale signs. It really worries me too.

[@PhillipJermakian]

​@alessshorts You mean your stuck with it and won't know if it's there if it's there and will be stuck in it? Get a good HEPA air filter, run it by your bed/where you spend your time. Not as ideal as knowing and removing it or yourself but it should strongly lesson danger.

[@jaredamendt6183]

This is crazy. I'm 26 and just saw my doctor about fibromyalgia. I was living in a water damaged basement for atleast 2 years. At the beginning of this I got sick from what I could only describe as covid/pneumonia. For weeks on end. It's not a coincidence I ran into this. I was a manager now I can hardly walk without it feeling like I did leg day at the gym.

[@lowerthetone]

Wishing you a full recovery! Fibromyalgia is a terrible ailment

[@user-uo5jw7lz5g]

​@@lowerthetonemagnesium

[@all_angles8528]

This. My old apartment in Dorchester MA had leaks & drips everywhere… I had multiple issues, including sleep apnea & chronic morning cough… found out my upstairs neighbor was all kinds of ill too. Moved to a newer house & all issues disappeared. Grateful. If you have moisture & water issues & multiple weird allergies &/or respiratory symptoms or sleep deprivation guaranteed the mold is an issue for you.

[@faithnumberone]

I have wanted to scream this from the inner most depths. I am very conscious of myself and have known something has changed in my health in a drastic way. I started an excellent career, but it came with a price. The building in working in has had repeated water damage over many years. I had no idea what was happening to me; post covid, long-term covid. I had no idea, and then it dawned on me, mold. It started with a constant runny nose and red eyes, then came headaches, body aches, brain fog, vision problems, short-term memory loss, and then extreme depression! I have never had depression issues like this. *Note: I am allergic to oral penicillin, also. There are so many odd things going on in my body. My legs, where exposed, were breaking out in what looked like pseudo folliculitus. I spoke to the owner and she had a mold test ran. As you can expect we had a very active result. The area was cleaned and it made my symptoms worse! I bought an at home test and the results were the same as last. A multitude of different spores. Thank you. JP

[@faithnumberone]

Also, I'm struggling with a completion of a sentence while teaching my class. One of my students stopped me concerned and wanted to make sure I wasn't having a stroke! Wth!? I read and well versed in my field, but I'm struggling. I'm very concerned.

[@2010kgurl]

I am fighting for my life with mild toxicity and CIRS!!! Thank you so much for doing this.

[@thenaturespace4073]

Keep going!

[@monicaz4949]

Same

[@user-bc4gs7hp4s]

As a healthcare worker, I experienced unimaginable challenges during the COVID crisis. I devoted myself to helping others while living and working out of an airstream trailer. Unfortunately, this seemingly safe haven turned out to have water intrusion issues stemming from a back door that defied repair after six attempts by the airstream dealership. As a result, I fell seriously ill and was eventually diagnosed with CIRS. Testing revealed the presence of Chaetomium globosum, a highly toxic black mold, and actinomycetes, a bacteria that thrives in water-damaged environments, within the trailer. I am currently undergoing treatment, but the toll this has taken on my health and well-being cannot be overstated.

[@martine8457]

Merci. Tout témoignage est précieux pour ceux qui se battent pour en sortir. Plein rétablissement à vous et MERCI d'avoir été généreux de vous-même durant cette plandémie 👍💞👍💞👍💞

[@truno7]

Holy cow that’s crazy. Chaetomium is no joke. How’d you find out about the actinomyces?

[@user-bc4gs7hp4s]

@@truno7I used a lab my doc recommended, envirobiomics and they did ERMI and actino tests.

[@drexmeu1574]

I do building fabric repairs and I am not surprised to hear about the association with Drywall and toxic mold growth. On a daily basis I encounter rampant mold growth in drywall that has degraded due to water damage. Often it can even be under the paper within the wet plasterboard and only visible as i break it apart. Black mold grows readily inside most of the wall cavities from the humidity alone without any visible signs of water damage. Drywall soaks up water both from the spills and air and hold it like a sponge leading to mold growth. I only get called in when the soft wet plasterboard breaks; I dread to think of all the areas where mold is quietly thriving undisturbed in the hospital. Iv also witnessed mold grow on Antifungal silicones so the idea we are driving natural selection in molds definitely holds water. Mold is a rampant issue in modern buildings.

[@christinamckinney6346]

CIRS patient here! Thank you for doing this interview to get this info out there!! I hear so many people talking about there health issues and I think “ I wonder if they have CIRS?”

[@rosalindr4975]

Can relate. We’re fortunate to have the proper diagnosis.

[@melindahase5807]

I have had my fair share of having to deal with mold. Very challenging to repair and I have moved. They drywall is highly alarming!!! Excellent info and TY as I have all types of alarm bells going off. The fact that our Government has no follow up is maddening.

[@dylanmcdonald7128]

When you don’t take his original advice about cleaning your room then you get mold.😅

[@ayishas4385]

Pah ha ha!

[@buildingbuddy1]

Wow. That was a level of discussion I didn't know I could process ! For many years it has shocked me how many chemicals we bring into a household, for convenience mainly, and the amount of chemical waste we dump out.

[@CreativeDestruction88]

And now a taco peanut butter soup recipe Ingredients: - 1 lb (450g) ground beef - 1 onion, finely chopped - 2 cloves garlic, minced - 1 green bell pepper, diced - 2 Anaheim peppers, diced - 1 can (14 oz) diced tomatoes - 1 can (15 oz) black beans, drained and rinsed - 1 can (15 oz) kidney beans, drained and rinsed - 1 can (15 oz) corn kernels, drained - 4 cups beef or vegetable broth - 2 packet taco seasoning mix - Salt ,pepper, paprika to taste - 2 +tablespoons peanut butter - Toppings: shredded cheese, sour cream, sliced green onions, tortilla strips Instructions: 1. In a large pot, brown the ground beef over medium heat, breaking it apart with a spoon. 2. Add chopped onions, minced garlic, green bell pepper, and Anaheim peppers. Sauté until vegetables are tender. 3. Stir in diced tomatoes, black beans, kidney beans, corn, and taco seasoning mix. 4. Pour in the beef and bring the soup to a simmer. 5. Season with salt and pepper to taste. 6. Add peanut butter to the soup, stirring until it's fully incorporated. This adds a unique depth of flavor. 7. Simmer the soup for an additional 15-20 minutes to allow flavors to meld. 8. Ladle the taco soup into bowls and top with shredded cheese, sour cream, sliced green onions, and tortilla strips. 9. Serve hot and enjoy your flavorful taco soup with a dash of peanut butter!

[@jenipherjasper9496]

I almost died from mold toxicity, lost in a system for 6 yrs after almost a lifetime of exposure. I share my story for this exact reason... it's a HUGE issue that the mainstream paradigms have ignored. Good on you, and your daughter for pushing the bar. ❤ @mymoldjourney

[@johnnytopgun6414]

Straight up. I believe most people's respiratory issues are so similar. All the young people houses I've been to, renters students etc all live in lightly filthy to very filthy and have water damage.

[@FUZYsquatch]

And the amount of people that think those are just stains on the ceiling or on the wall

[@keena8442]

Doctors where I live will not even listen to me about this. They act like I’m mentally ill and crazy for bringing it up. My endocrinologist made fun of me and told me not to make my husband spend thousands of dollars for mold remediation

[@susanawright7757]

You can't trust the AMA. Have to go to naturopaths, alternative Dr's, etc..

[@RestorativeWaves123]

So many doctors are close-minded and egoist, if they don't say it's so then it can't possibly be so, according to them.

[@edwardbrito4010]

F doctors those goof balls only cure obvious stuff. If you actively research & monitor your health you know better than some person meets with you 2-3 times for 15 min max.

[@valerievaleri]

The majority of doctors are morons. Don't let their education fool you. No critical thinking skills nor passion, just good at memorizing and at stroking their inflated egos.

[@BrillGirl82]

Far too many conventional docs are assholes. Sorry you experienced this; I can relate and it’s so disheartening.

[@cristymckinney685]

Looking forward to seeing you in Atlanta GA! Praying for you and your family! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@joelleenlowe2332]

Thank you for doing this interview!

[@serbiancapybara2.068]

I got very sick when living in military dorms, was very depressed. Now that I'm off base and in a nice house, I have been slowly doing better.

[@pyrojason]

be well

[@TheAustinCarmichael2]

Just did mold remediation in my living room this week, glad to have it done now

[@processing8296]

stunning insights, i am 25 now and when i was like 4, my fam lived in a house with water damage and some spots of mold on the walls, i got asthma and was sick so so many times when i lived there plus i got numerous allergies developed....now i know how much of that actually came from that house....thanks you so much, my doc will have a long session with me

[@Matty_Ice3955]

I didn't know mold toxicity causes depression and inflammation. Can mold toxicity also cause other mental disorders like panic attacks? Thank for Sharing Dr. Peterson, Dr. McMahon and Dr. Shoemaker for always speaking the truth.

[@lyndseyvandenberg3030]

Yes!!

[@truno7]

100000000% yes

[@mildmanneredmercifulmouse1839]

I've experienced a wide variety of mold toxicity symptoms. Rashes , aches, blurry vision, insomnia, brain fog, asthma, low energy, confusion. THE WORST part of mold toxicity IS The anxiety.

[@416dl]

Complexity upon complexity. For all the concerns regarding this vast mountain of information; so much of it being new to even the well educated and well informed non-specialist, I have to wonder how anyone can ever hope to wrap their understanding around even a small portion of it. My sincere hope is that somehow these concepts can be made accessible to us, and maybe through the power of A.I.,which, for all the hype, both positive and negative that the very term conjures up, will bring its potential and its power to be able to collate this information in a way that we can benefit from it by our having a deeper understanding that transcends our general ignorance which is compounded by our fear for our very lives and the lives of our loved ones. Thanks Dr. P for taking the time to bring this to us and knowing enough to ask the kinds of questions that we all need to be asking. Cheers.

[@lauraquigley6403]

I just started treatment for mold toxicity it is in my sinuses & other places too I am sure. I have read & listened to many documentation and this was by far the most informative video I have found in my 6 months of investigating my severe inflammation related to mold toxicity! Thank you is not enough!🙏🙏🙏Blessing’s

[@KellyLamb]

I'm in this process too, myself, just starting, and was glad to see this. I highly recommend Dr. Justin Marchegiani & Evan Brand's videos & info on this topic also. All the best to you in your healing!

[@dancreed]

What’s the treatment? All the best 🙏🏼

[@lauraquigley6403]

@@dancreed it is pretty involved. You get very ill taking binders like charcoal to attaché to the mold & the mold is a fungi that reacts to being removed from its host( me, for the best way to describe it). Plus, other meds like 5.

[@lauraquigley6403]

@@dancreed also he has me started on cholesterol medication as a binder that I started today. I had one of the highest mycotoxin levels my Dr has ever seen & he has been doing this a long time in fact he has a 6 month waiting list to see him. Oh..gulthiomone I have been on for 3 months as a binder. My Dr said to expect to get very sick now with the 2 added binders as I have heard from other people who go through this.

[@lauraquigley6403]

@@KellyLamb Good luck. I am Blessed that my home is safe. I was exposed visiting my daughter at her home in Florida for the past 2 yrs spending about 6 months of a yr with her. My house was tested & his safe Thank God! I hope you stay safe!🙏🙏🙏

[@Curlygirly84]

Thank you for covering this, Jordan. Thanks to your guests for studying it. Life changing stuff❤

[@jolenegatto399]

I manage a clinic where we treat mold related illness as well as other super common health issues completely ignored by or perhaps in many cases unknown to conventional medical practitioners. Thank you for bringing light to this issue! This information has the potential to help so many people.

[@Shan-mv9pq]

Do you know of any clinics in Arizona?

[@Ian-np6zt]

Whats the name of your clinic? I need a doc to look into this.

[@autumnleaves2766]

Superb presentation, thanks so much to Dr McMahon, Dr Shoemaker and of course Dr Peterson for his skill in handling an interview that delves into such complex medical science. Great to listen to these two fine doctors and medical researchers and to hear that their treatments are helping patients over in the USA. I suspect we are way behind the curve on this issue in my home country, the UK, where mould in social and other rented housing, as well as in some newer homes, is a big problem and is not helped by our often damp and cool climate. A touch of mould in my own bathroom in this rented flat, very stubborn and resistant to being cleaned off. I spend as little time in there as possible, and the rest of the flat is fine. Thanks again for this excellent interview, will be sharing it with various family members.

[@ericdorninger3559]

Dr. McMahon and I are traveling to the UK in March to help teach UK practitioners how to screen, confirm diagnosis and treat CIRS with CoLabs...unfortunately you then have to still train environmental professionals to deal with the buildings

[@windhoek_stallion8455]

God bless you and all your family Dr. Peterson. Thank you for helping us see outside the box we're shoved in by the mainstream

[@westfieldartworks8188]

Scary stuff....but the portion about the retina test at 41:00 minutes and beyond, is something that really captured my interest. I've been suffering from Long Covid since Dec 22'. I'm going to come back to this interview to finish watching the rest. Wow....amazing stuff. Thank you.

[@ChakraAttack]

Man, I love to keep my apartment warm and humid. I'm creating the perfect conditions for mold.

[@haraldsammer8862]

thank you for bringing this topic to the mainstream! My girlfriend has been suffering from ME/CFS for a while. One truly gets to have an insight into what hell make look like.

[@tnmtnmorning1178]

I have it too. It is a terrible thief. Prayers for your GF.

[@martine8457]

De tout coeur auprès de votre petite amie et force à vous deux 💥💞💥💞

[@andreaberrie]

About to move on to stage 2 of protocol. Praying 🙏 thank you for giving us hope.

[@jamiecook6861]

Thank you for the biggest breakthrough in my life possibly at 50 years of age. A real answer to prayer! I have almost every single symptom.

[@r.d.9264]

Also, thank you for addressing this. You’re really good at lecturing and presenting, more so than the scientists and it’s helpful to have someone with a platform and ability like yours doing that. This devastated my life and most people don’t even believe or understand it, including in my own family.

[@JustinOlguin]

Really happy to see this info disseminate into the commons more. This is a known thing to me and several of my close friends, but I have nowhere near the social leverage as JP. I absolutely geek out on indoor air quality, and find the building materials choices for various locales (regardless of temperature, humidity, coastal, inland, etc. considerations) to be completely insane and only focused on bottom line profit, and not on human wellbeing / needs / values. In addition, nearly all household cleaning products include endocrine disruptors, known carcinogens, etc. and I view this as a very similar overlooked / unconscious problem. I have had episodes of sleepless "mania" that were described as "bipolar", when in reality, my psyche was just trying to tell me to get the hell out of the mold infested, toxic housing environment.

[@martine8457]

Merci du partage d'expérience. Force et courage à vous 🔥💝🔥

[@Technaci0us]

So what cleaners would you recommend then?

[@rossschcheese]

This is a nice new problem that’s entered my thought space that I never knew existed. Cool

[@IrishGypsy304]

😆

[@Naratifan]

Thank you for the interview !

[@rochellefreed853]

Gosh thank you Jordan Peterson and all of you...I've been suffering for some time now with chronic fatigue...severe pain..metabolism issues...skin issues..respiratory issues...ect ect...it's like non stop flu....drs thus far can't figure it out so gonna bring this up as I'm immuno compromised already with genetics...this is absolutely something I nver even thought about but makes so much sense...I've been watching Jordan for a lil bit now n watched about his daughter and she has alot of the same things I have rn....I'm so happy that's makayla is doing better now so you all can keep spreading awareness for us that are suffering with no answers...truly frustrating God bless you Jordan/makayla & these guys 🙏🙏🙏

[@FoammeFatale]

Perfect timing for this podcast, I looked up in the shower yesterday and said to myself "oh, it's back again". We absolutely have black mold in the upstairs bathroom and bedroom windows and the basement too but that was finally remediated. Unfortunately being in a rental leaves not a lot of options save what the landlord wants to spend money on. I have a host of symptoms discussed in this fabulous podcast and was recently "diagnosed" with fibromyalgia. The dr has never once asked about mold. For a year now she has dismissed all of my symptoms as "stress". Her approach and "treatment" is the Rx pad. Thank you Dr. Peterson and guests for bringing this incredibly important research to light.

[@Erick-di9gm]

Stress is a legitimate concern for these symptoms as well.

[@w8what575]

Put some bleach and water in a spray bottle and spray the mold …u can watch it disappear….bleach kills the mold and spores…sounds like it’s settled into the drywall of the home….maybe the landlord would ok the cost of paint that’s specifically for killing and blocking mold….it would be worth the cost to even purchase the paint urself and put a coat of paint on the walls affected by mold…a friend of mine was having a hell of a time recovering from severe bronchitis to the point he would lose his voice….which made life difficult considering his boss is hearing impaired and couldn’t hear him at all when he would have bronchitis flare ups….I stopped over to check on him and noticed the huge amounts of black mold showing through the paint on the walls and ceiling in his bathroom…I sprayed it with some stronger bleach water mix and watched the mold disappear….by the next day, his bronchitis had cleared up to the point he got his voice back and quit coughing all the time….so he had to continue to use the bleach to keep it under control….the only way to get it completely under control is to rip out all the affected material and replace it with water resistant material…they make a green backed drywall specifically for bathrooms and kitchens…it’s a few $ more per sheet then regular drywall so it boggles my mind why it’s not just the normal thing to use in all bathrooms…

[@mytrigger5613]

Thank you for all your effort Jordan Peterson.

[@iAmGIG]

These are the interviews I personally enjoy the most. I'm really looking forward to more like these. I keep thinking about the ATG-Knees Over Toes Guy, in the content of pursuing and pushing the boundaries of what we know and act on.

[@norbucso]

You can hear Jordan take notes when switching camera. He is a pro.❤

[@peter3835]

Gentlemen thank you for a fascinating discussion .The interaction between 3 sophistacly knowledgeable men was a privilege to watch .

[@Tech_Planet]

Thanks for bringing this topic up! The problem with a lot of housing (especially in freezing climates) is the vapor barrier. Miss a spot and you get air drafts. I had mold on the all walls, had to rip all the Poly out and redo the basement on my 5 year old house. I went with closed cell spray foam and it's been perfectly fine. Closed cell will also prevent radon, which is another leading cause of cancer.

[@ericajoseph7245]

Are you chemical sensitivity? I have closed cell and react to it.

[@Tech_Planet]

​@@ericajoseph7245 I didn't after I covered it with drywall, but it was in-between the interior studs @ 3" is it exposed? Also, poly will work but it has to be perfectly sealed,

[@m_v________e8580]

Thank, God you done a segment on this @jordanbpeterson! I wholly agree that I have this as for 6 years I live with dry and wet rot under the flooring and it took my landlord till the 7 th year to pull up, but I have the only downpipe from the guttering for 6 houses which when heavy rain it floods my garden and goes through the vent into the under flooring. I have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue and this has certainly worsen since living here !! My inflammatory markers have been at their highest 200 and lowest recently 30. I of not working sleeping 18 hrs a day as so exhausted I cannot function mentally at times. If I finish work usually fall asleep when home.

[@visualapologetics4891]

Thank you for mentioning military housing. My family has fought mold sickness for 20 years. Now my kids are grown, and they have many friends, who have gone into the military. The stories I hear about military housing make me sick. I have heard of several instances where clothing hung in a closet had to be thrown away because it was covered in mold after just a couple of weeks. Thank you Jordan Peterson for highlighting this issue. Dr. Shoemaker, thank you so much for staying in the game these many years. I have followed your work from the beginning. It has been a very long road for you.

[@melissafarrugia9531]

1:06:40 😊 thank you for the mention