Wrath of God: Why Does God Allow Hell? Can I Be Happy Without God? (Pencils & Prayer Ropes)

A lot of people struggle with the notion of a perfectly loving God allowing people to suffer in hell for all eternity. Do these ideas contradict one another? Can God sustain sinners in a sort of eternal, godless happiness instead?
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00:00 Intro
00:35 A Banal View of Hell
01:50 Of Cubes and Cones
04:38 Adding God to the Picture
05:36 A Godless Paradise?
07:24 Undeserved Gifts of God
08:31 Parable of the Three Friends
10:13 Atheists in Hell?
11:02 Good News, Everyone!
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Narration: Miloš Đekić and Reader Bojan Teodosijević
Illustration: Reader Bojan Teodosijević

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[@j.s0n]

“Because the people who don’t put shopping carts back where they belong have to have SOME eternal resting place”

[@joenathan8059]

Man NEEDS God. Atheist always say they're happy,but if you look at their lifestyle you know its not true. Im not perfect and i constantly slip into sin,but i know if i try hard enough and truly repent he will help me. Let us pray that the lord keeps us in his love and fear unto the ages of ages

[@storba3860]

I don't think God always brings happiness. A 5 year old boy at my church died of cancer and welcomed it because "At least he wouldn't be sinning anymore". There's nothing happy or hopeful about that. That's also not to mention the countless hateful abusive monsters who use God as an excuse to justify immorality (Inquisitors, those who preach infant damnation, John Calvin, child abusers, Wesboro Baptists, etc). Now we could say they chose to twist God to justify their bad behavior but then we're left with the issue of being unable to know how to be the correct type of Christian.

[@seanchaney3086]

We need more Orthodox evangelism....

[@AetheriusLamia]

I'm thinking that's called "living well and doing good works".

[@completionofcomplex]

@@AetheriusLamia I think he means a more direct approach. Rarely do people just look at an orthodox Christian and be marveled enough to become orthodox themselves. We kinda need to show people what it's about and why you should become orthodox.

[@mycahsmith5615]

​@@completionofcomplex you are completely right! Most people especially in the west who don't even know that Orthodoxy exists (I was one of the them) when we see Orthodoxy to us it just looks like a type of Catholicism. As a protestant that didn't appeal to me at all. It was the history and the theology of the church that drew me to Orthodoxy especially because where I am from and many in the US, most of us have never even met an orthodox person in our life and the nearest church is several hours away. These types of videos have proven invaluable to us. I don't believe in simply just existing as Orthodox and people will just love your life so much that they want in on it too. Doesn't work especially for many of us who didn't know Orthodoxy even existed.

[@completionofcomplex]

@@mycahsmith5615 Yeah we need to spread it in a good way although. We can't indoctrinate people like some denominations.

[@cameroncampbell7706]

Good job! Pray for me who is converting to Russian Orthodoxy in Tennessee, I am going to Catechumen classes

[@owainthoma3945]

0:58 HE SAID THE THING

[@Real_Life_Eren_Yeager]

HA!

[@user-ru1pf9eq8t]

God in His mercy made The fixed pains of Hell. That misery might be stayed, God in His mercy made Eternal bounds and bade Its waves no further swell. God in his mercy made The fixed pains of Hell. (C.S. Lewis) The best answer I found.

[@silkisnothere]

I am agnostic, I am subscribed just because I find Christianity from a history standpoint interesting and it is also fun to see some opinions from actual christians, even if I disagree with them. Also the drawings are nice.

[@BibleIllustrated]

Thank you so much! Very appreciated! :-)

[@noahlindgren1014]

So your gonna try and convince me the pit in my basement that seems to have no end isn’t actually a literal gateway to hell?

[@BibleIllustrated]

We honestly cannot completely do away with that notion.

[@b_ks]

Now my burning question is how did you get your own hellmouth?

[@BibleIllustrated]

🗡

[@johnpaulhumphrey2981]

Custom emojis for KZbin 😱

[@somerandomguypart]

giga chad custom emojis

[@themanofjesuschrist7836]

Satan sinned in Ezekiel 28:12. Therefore, Hell was made (Matthew 25:41) You can't blame God for the Devil's sin. Man sinned in Genesis 3:6. Therefore, Death was made (Romans 5:12) You can't blame God for man's sin. The Almighty God whose name is JESUS CHRIST the name above name has from beginning been rescuing mankind. The problem is that man doesn't want to be rescued, because their deeds were evil - John 3:19 STUDY !!!

[@kapellan777]

Thank you for your explanation and great artistic style.may God bless you,my orthodox brothers.cheers from russian orthodox church.+ Христос анести+

[@markford202]

The exact nature of Hell, just like the exact nature of Heaven is still a mystery. I think the Bad Place notions really come from our own carnal desire for revenge (at least to some degree.) I do think the song Spooky Mormon Hell Dream is a great example of the absurdity of pop culture Hell.

[@Bill_Garthright]

I agree. Heaven and Hell are both pretty absurd, huh? Especially given the complete lack of good evidence that either actually exist? Well, I should say "any" of them, since other religions have similar claims of reward and punishment after death, don't they? And _none_ of them seem to have even *one* piece of good evidence backing up those claims.

[@petarmilich8684]

@@Bill_Garthright did you arrive at that conclusion because you actually researched the subject? Oh wait, of course not. You just declare there to be no evidence because you think it makes you smarter than everyone else.

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@petarmilich8684 I arrived at the... tentative conclusion I stated above - that "none of them seem to have even one piece of good evidence backing up those claims" - because I regularly ask theists for just one piece of good evidence. So far, nothing. Very few theists are even willing to _try._ I watch videos from Christian and Muslim apologists (mostly, though a few from other religions), too. As far as I can tell, they all just preach to the choir, because people who already believe their particular claims - and really, really want to _keep_ believing them - seem to readily accept that stuff without questioning. Of course, that doesn't mean there _isn't_ any, necessarily, but just that I've never heard any. So, OK, let's hear what you've got. Just *one piece of good evidence,* please, specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself, that your god is real, rather than just imaginary. Or that _any_ of the magical/supernatural claims of your religion are actually true. Your choice. I'm not sure why you think you can read my mind, but I'm assuming that was just an attempt at an insult? Well, I don't know you, so I can't compare our intelligence, can I? But if you've actually got *evidence,* then it doesn't really matter how smart you are. Do you? Just *one* specific example?

[@coreygossman6243]

@Bill Garthright Except our religion had a guy who claimed to be God, died, and came back from the dead. That's pretty good evidence, considering it was all written down by eyewitnesses and published widely in the years following these events. Of course now starts the special pleading...

[@griswoldthegoblin9420]

@@Bill_Garthrightyou also can’t prove that they don’t exist. It goes both ways, eh?

[@catbound8669]

Very nice video. ❤

[@johnpaulhumphrey2981]

I love these guys

[@AetheriusLamia]

10:40 Agreed. How horrible that Calvinism is preached as if it were Christianity! ("Your sins merit eternal punishment, but Jesus paid the price to save you from God's wrath.") How many are not Christians today because they were taught Calvinism?

[@shredwarfare5446]

Had to rewatch the sock so many times

[@robertwaguespack9414]

There is a story of st Catherine. One of her friends died and was sentenced to hell. St Catherine prayed to God and the soul was brought to heaven. But it's suffering was greater than that of hell. So by the mercy of God it went back to hell.

[@williamorpheus2635]

I dont understand how the suffering was greater?

[@robertwaguespack9414]

@@williamorpheus2635 because this person's life was a rejection of God. To be in the presence of what he rejected was greater than to be in the darkness and the fire of hell. Even in this darkness, the mercy of God does not punish the damned with all that they deserve.

[@andrenaumann6635]

Thank you for this anecdote. But how can that be: I thought heaven and hell in orthodoxy is the same presence of God, but the state of the soul differs. For the unrepentent sinner it is hell, for the penitent it is heaven (Forgive me, maybe I am wrong). I don't know the story, please can you explain?

[@robertwaguespack9414]

@@andrenaumann6635 When Jesus said that there was a great gulf between Heaven and Hell there was a reason.

[@andrenaumann6635]

@@robertwaguespack9414 Thank you for your answer. But I think what you meant is from Scripture and Scripture is a closed book without the Holy Fathers. Heaven and hell, in orthodoxy, are not places but more kind of experiences of comfortable or uncomfortable "feeling" in the presence of God's love. Can you give more information about the story of st catherine or where to find it? Thank you, God bless you.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

5:46 - that was the most creative Friends reference I think I've ever seen, certainly in the context of admitting the objection in question might be a sockman.

[@hozic9929]

As someone from 80% atheist country i think this is very interesting

[@hozic9929]

@Luthum Czechia

[@andres.e.]

​@@hozic9929Is that true, 80% Atheism? Wow.

[@hozic9929]

@@andres.e. it is true. People are nice here

[@andres.e.]

@929 They're nice because they're Atheists? Lol!

[@jonnyf6664]

good one

[@klausdalang4936]

Nice

[@BibleIllustrated]

So nice

[@klausdalang4936]

@@BibleIllustrated ♥️☦️

[@logandepino8417]

I think you should discuss more on Universalism/Apokatosis (apologies if I butchered the spelling) at least for a video. Specifically addressing the debates around, the writings of David Bentley Hart, and others. If this does interest you anyways, if it doesn't understandable. But I think it be very interesting.

[@Crimsonfireball]

It's either you're with God or against God. There is nothing in between.

[@Bill_Garthright]

Nonsense! I see no reason to think that "God" - or any _other_ magical deity - actually exists. That's like saying we're either with the Tooth Fairy or against the Tooth Fairy. There is nothing in between, huh?

[@noway165]

​@@Bill_Garthright so you must not believe the magical 'big bang', or the magical self assembly of DNA. Hard to have the faith required to believe those!

[@Crimsonfireball]

@@Bill_Garthright Let's not believe that magical dark matter either right?

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@noway165 What are you even _talking_ about? Ask cosmologists about the so-called "Big Bang." Ask biologists about DNA. I'm neither a cosmologist nor a biologist. And what does _any_ of that have to do with "God"?

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@Crimsonfireball Heh, heh. You're kidding, right? You _must_ be joking. Or are you really that clueless?

[@cope2217]

Pomaže Bog(God helps) Can you do video about people who aren't baptised(but they plan to) and want to believe in God, are they allowed to pray, will their prayer be granted etc.

[@andres.e.]

Any person, no matter their circumstances, can and should pray. Even if you're not fully convinced of God's existence, prayer will be good for you. At worst, you'll have a quiet time for yourself. At best, you will start connecting with the Creator of all things, the source of all good, the One who sustains your life moment to moment. So yes, you can pray!

[@kapellan777]

Archibald and Roland.are they the heroes from heroes of might and magic 2? I only remember Roland from the heroes of might and magic 3. That was a great game.

[@chetnik19]

Hi Bojan hopefully you can see this comment but I want to ask you that if you don't do fasting is it a sin? The main reason I cant fast certain foods is because my parent doesn't allow me because they think I'm too young what is your thoughts and answers to this?

[@palamabron2481]

Do you sell prints of any of your artwork? I could see myself ordering a copy of something like that drawing at 1:44-1:50.

[@BibleIllustrated]

Yup! :) Contact me at my e-mail address at the 'About' tab in channel page

[@theshigingaijin1985]

....bro tell me why that sock icon is kinda cool though lol

[@BibleIllustrated]

I won't lie, the sockpuppet was the most fun to draw :D

[@ayeeniko]

12th!!

[@user-rj9ho9ig8b]

Hello, I have a question regarding which bible I should read as someone who is interested in becoming orthodox. I have heard that the Orthodox Study Bible is good but are there any other options or just more than the OSB that I should get?

[@griswoldthegoblin9420]

That’s the best one you can get. (At least for now)

[@duckmeat4674]

Just get the OSB, don't put too much time or energy debating other bibles

[@ericg34]

I think you got the cubes mixed up with the cones.

[@jubal-lunsul2972]

i have notifications on and i still didn’t get one! oddd :/

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

5:02 Actually, animals, unlike man and angel, cannot love God because they have no freewill; freedom of choice precedes love, one cannot accept God if he hasn't the chance to denie Him, that's also why the only two creatures found in heaven and hell are man and angels (/demons).

[@BibleIllustrated]

I can't agree with anything in your comment except animals not having free will :) (And not being in hell)

[@uncledolan9271]

Isaiah 11:6 read more

[@carolusaugustussanctorum]

@@uncledolan9271 Isaiah 11,6 refers to Earth after the Resurrection (which shall include even inanimate [soulless] beings such as rocks, water and air). ‘read more’ more like: you have basic text interpretation before saying that to people after giving biblical passages that say nothing by being off-topic.

[@uncledolan9271]

@@carolusaugustussanctorum you Definitely need to read and pray more.

[@uncledolan9271]

@@carolusaugustussanctorum there's nothing offensive to tell another Christian brother to read more. If God created animals for the Garden of Eden to give us a picture of His ideal place, He will surely include them in Heaven.

[@Clodaghbob]

These are probably stupid questions but why is your cube drawn as a blue sphere and why is your cone drawn as a red square? And why are the cube’s rectangles (the bit you stood on) drawn as triangles? Have I missed the joke … again? 🤔

[@BibleIllustrated]

English isn't my first language

[@Clodaghbob]

@@BibleIllustrated Huh???? Your English is beautiful and elegant and creative. It’s your mathematics that I was wondering about.🤣 I felt sure that there was some hidden significance in the shapes. Something amazing! Maybe, if we looked deep - really deep - into the blue blob/sphere we would see its inner cubism emerge like a Picasso painting during his Blue Period, or, if we focused our attention on the red square … without blinking …. for five minutes…. we would be able to leave our bodies and experience true transcendental coney-ness. But no … it was just a mathematical typo … _sigh!_ … 😞

[@Clodaghbob]

I’m just ‘pulling your leg’ … in case there was any doubt. 🤣😂🤣😂

[@stephenrice2063]

@@BibleIllustrated Okay, but it will lead some people who need to watch this to ignore it instead. Is it possible to correct the audio or add a caption acknowledging the mix-up?

[@eternalflame8104]

I am just wondering, will I be damned in hell If I leave the ortodox church? I still have a lot of informing to do in regards to the Bible and set of beliefs in the religion but basically consider that the religious visions of Orthodoxy do not match some of my personal moral and political beliefs, which are very important in modelling my worldview (most of them have to do with universalist principles, the idealized portrayal of humans in most scriptures and humans sinning if they try to alter their structure, but there are still some other things conflicting that I am not certain about yet). I do still have strong attachments to the system which I was ultimately baptized in because it brought fond memories and I would be extremely offended If it was made fun of or shamed in public. However, I am not a practicing Orthodox Christian in the true sense and none of the rites hold any substantial meaning to me except the major ones.I wholly consider that I am ultimately staying because of both family pressures and the fear of going to hell in the event of betraying god.

[@pat1442]

Why do your moral and political beliefs inform your religious belief instead of the other way around?

[@eternalflame8104]

@@pat1442 because truth is fixed in the way that only God knows its full extent and us measely humans cannot interpret it correctly even through scripture. Thus, books at some point stop telling an accurate picture of the world but still hold some value. It's just that they would need some suplementation in order to get society to work as it should. I will correct myself and say that politics and morals are not truly what I believe because the former is fuelling biases and trapping them with greed in order to defend one's ego and resources, while the latter is not permitting any sort of questioning of it take place. It's rather philisophy because it's the mother of all sciences and it's uncertain nature permits the to launch the starting of independent research for everything, thus leading to inovation in a lot of areas.

[@duckmeat4674]

No one can say you are going to be damned or not. That's up to our Creator, but there are things that put you at risk of it and leaving the church is one. Best to talk to a priest, not even the one in your church but other places or online even

[@kriegjaeger]

Regarding the Cubes and Cones, another way of looking at it is to imagine two communities; Community A is loving, sharing, honest and caring people. The community B are hateful, selfish, lying and narcissistic people. Naturally people of community B want to be part of community A to enjoy the blessings and benefits of this community, without actually adhering to its values. But by definition if community A has people from community B, it is no longer what it was. For community A to remain what it is (in a word, perfect) then people from B cannot enter it. Our sinful nature literally cannot exist in heaven else it would not be heaven.

[@copiumofthedamned]

I agree with everything you said and that's why I understand the fact that someone who doesn't want to adhere to the rules that make heaven a heaven, shouldn't go there. Here's my problem though... I don't WANT to go to heaven, I simply want a heaven out of hell on my terms, even if that means I have to be exiled in some dark corner of the outer darkness. Technically speaking, God could give me a mindset that would find even a boiling hell with demons stabbing me with their pitchforks enjoyable, so why doesn't he do that? I'm honest enough that I don't pretend I want the giver, just his gifts. You might say why should he do that? Well because having joy is better than not having joy, as to exist is better than not existing. So, if God is willing to keep the demons and unrepentant sinners into existence, he already does gives provides them with the minimal form of "goodness", ontologically speaking. Would it truly hurt him to share a little more of his goodness in order to make the damned find joy in their state of existence?

[@copiumofthedamned]

What's the reason for the cruel cosmic joke of keeping the damned suffer in hell, even if they deserve it? It makes no sense. Here's what would make sense to me. God could make all the damned realize their mistakes eventually and bring them to universal salvation, or send them to non-existense, or make their hell a heaven. All of the previous would serve a meaningful function. In the first case, well it's obvious, everything was just a big cosmic lesson that turns out for the good of everyone. In the second case, since the creatures failed to uphold their moral standard, they don't deserve any kind of gift, so the ultimate removal of their ontological goodness would be non-existense. In the third case, there's still a "happy ending" since the damned due to some form of illusionary interpratation of the afterlife, at least can find joy, even a cheap copy compared to the ultimate communion with God himself.

[@copiumofthedamned]

But keeping the damned alive without any alternative to joy, is truly the worst of both worlds. On the one hand, the sinful nature of a rational being moves them towards non-existense, but the nature of the creature itself, desires some form of goodness, so the radical end of the perfection of that creature is theosis, just as the "perfection" of sin short to speak, would be the return to the void from which the creature came. But being alive just to suffer? What's the point? If the answer is that God keeps them in existence as a form of goodness, then why not step up the parameters and give them the mindset (even an illusionary one) that can find joy in whatever state their in. If the answer to that is that they don't deserve to be happy, well, they don't deserve to exist either, since existence is a gift from God also. Either perfect the creaturehood of the unrepentant sinners through apocatastasis, either perfect the nature of their sin by returning them to the void, or since you bothered to sustain them with the good of being, then the gift of joy in their state wouldn't be so hard now would it?

[@copiumofthedamned]

I'm at a very weird place right now spiritually, and I'm an extremely rare case of a Theistic Satanist that basically believes in the Christian worldview, even one that gravitates towards Orthodoxy funny enough, but has an extreme hate of God, which would make me a misotheist. I'm obsessed with the nature of hell, because I know for a fact that I'll go there. Even my username was created as an inside joke for a friend, because I can't stop talking about my desire to find some kind of copium in hell. Anyway, as you can see I'm far from an atheist and I don't have a problem believing in the existence of God, nor do I have questions if God good why bad thing happen? But the finality of Hell without any form of joy, hope, or even non existence bothers me. I would appreciate if Bojan or the commenter I replied would be interested in a conversation, since I want to challenge and exhaust any excuse I might have, before my final outcome. I've got nothing to lose.

[@kriegjaeger]

@@copiumofthedamned God WAS tremendously merciful regarding this when it came to Adam and Eve who he would have been justified to cast into hell on the spot but instead only cut off their immortality. Likewise Cain he would have been justified in casting into hell on the spot but he granted a blessing to protect him. The result was a never-ending cycle of suffering from the depravity of mankind as caused by mankind. Basically this has already been tried and humanity made the world unbearable.

[@j.s0n]

Early onset damnation 🔥🔥

[@curiousworld7912]

I guess my problem with the concept of Hell is that a man's life is only a few decades, whereas eternity is forever. How can we be sentenced to an eternity of torment, judged on behaviors which constitute less than a mere drop in the ocean of time? That's like sentencing a teenager to, say, 100 years in supermax for jaywalking - the punishment seems to far outweigh the crime. And, I would always wonder in the back of my mind, if I worship God out of love, gratitude, awe, and humility; or, is do I worship because of fear? I do believe God is Love - perfect Love - and it just seems unfair, somehow, to think that decent, loving people, who follow a different faith, or are pure humanists, would spend eternity suffering. When Christ said 'Forgive them, Father; they know not what they do' tells me that God understands what idiots we are, that we barely know ourselves in a lifetime, and that most people do the best they can - and, He loves us, in spite of ourselves. Just my thoughts...

[@forgottenhistory249]

I think you could be interested in the doctrine of Christian Universalism. It’s the believe, that god is all loving and will someday reconcile with all of creation. Depending on the branch of Universalism one may still believe that a person may go to hell (and there are many universalist bible interpretations that state that there is no hell in our understanding) but that the punishment in hell is not eternal but only so long as it takes to cleanse a soul or until a person accepts their wrongdoings and is forgiven by god

[@zre8535]

Did you watch the video? I think it addresses these points well

[@zre8535]

​@@forgottenhistory249 What if after being in hell, this person's heart hardens even more, further and further the longer time goes on, and still wants nothing to do with God, like a serial child rapist and murderer with nothing but hate and contempt for humanity in their heart? Should they be dragged to heaven kicking and screaming? Many saints would say that that man's experience of heaven would not be heaven for him, but maybe even worse than the darkness of hell. He may experience the love of God as a burning fire. I won't pretend to know the answer but Orthodox tradition gives an answer along these lines. Like was said in the video, we basically choose our after death state ourselves. Love for God, the source of all good, brings lasting peace and happiness - whereas those can't exist long term without God. Eventually they dry up as they are not self sustaining. "The doors of hell are locked from the inside". I believe universalism is condemned as heresy by the Orthodox Church for a reason.

[@curiousworld7912]

@@forgottenhistory249 Well, that makes more sense, to me. Perhaps there's a purgatory, or some type of 're-education', or if someone has been very naughty; they must endure what they put others through, or something. It's just the proportion of the sentence to the crime - that our loving Father would send us to an eternity of torment, or that He would even 'create' such a place. I certainly don't have any idea of what becomes of us after death, but as I said; I believe that God is Perfect Love, so I do the best I can, and put my trust in Him. I thank you for your answer - as I say, it makes more sense to me - and, for your courtesy. It's appreciated. :)

[@curiousworld7912]

@@zre8535 Yes. I did. And, had I not questions, I would not have asked.

[@isaiahthomas118]

*to a certain extent* i disagree with the "falsely call themselves Christians" at 10:39. Christians can do bad things.

[@ioioi_prx4639]

10:41 Isn't that a quote from the enlightened redditor Mr. A. A. Lewis

[@BibleIllustrated]

Very much so :D

[@TheRoark]

I think that this is all true, but it is also true that God is a just judge and that people earn God's righteous wrath by disobeying him. People can go too far with making things a point system as you said, but we shouldn't downplay guilt incurred through sin when holy scripture is clear on that as well. Luckily, we have an advocate in Christ who has fulfilled the law, nailed our debts to the cross, paid our ransom, and united us with him in his resurrection! Thanks for the video guys, God bless you.

[@marvelousmedes]

A simpler way I like to put it is this: Sin is like mold, when you find it on your food, you throw the food away. Doesn't matter how good or tasty the food is, since there's mold on it, the food is ruined.

[@violetfern9885]

Well… it’s the start of lent, goodbye video game channels, hello bible illustrated. 😅👋

[@BibleIllustrated]

Well well WELL, look who came crawling back!

[@violetfern9885]

🤣 love this channel!

[@BibleIllustrated]

@@violetfern9885 Thank you!

[@violetfern9885]

You’re welcome! Thank you for all the great videos!

[@Cata-Holic_Doode]

I've seen some very evil ppl in my lifetime & God is VERY just

[@sylvaind5303]

There's no eternal hell. It is always compared to Sodom and Gomorrah, but we know that these cities are not burning anymore. Those who will end up into the lake of fire will just burn until they are ashes, as said the Lord: "for dust you are, and to dust you shall return". + life is only possible with the presence of God. So without God there can be no life. However, everyone shall have peace in the end, either in the second and eternal death, or in eternal life. May the Lord bless you and your ministry.

[@griswoldthegoblin9420]

I think the quote „for dust you are are, and to dust you shall return“ refers to the fact that our body will decompose after our souls leaves it.

[@sylvaind5303]

@@griswoldthegoblin9420 But Mary stood outside by the tomb weeping, and as she wept she stooped down and looked into the tomb. And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. Then they said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “Because they have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid Him.” Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?” She, supposing Him to be the gardener, said to Him, “Sir, if You have carried Him away, tell me where You have laid Him, and I will take Him away.” Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to Him, “Rabboni!” (which is to say, Teacher). Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ” John 20:11‭-‬17 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/jhn.20.11-17.NKJV Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame. But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?” Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain-perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. I Corinthians 15:34‭-‬38 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/1co.15.34-38.NKJV So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. I Corinthians 15:42‭-‬50 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/1co.15.42-50.NKJV Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed- in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?” I Corinthians 15:51‭-‬55 NKJV bible.com/bible/114/1co.15.51-55.NKJV Where was Jesus then if He wasn't with the Father immediately after His death, like the Sadducees believe? The resurrection comes at the end. No one is forced to watch the suffering of the world, otherwise they would not be sleeping in the peace of the Lord. As we are living souls composed of a body with a breath of life coming from God, we are dead once there is no breath of life. See what Martha said to Jesus when her brother was dead and stinking for 4 days before he was resurrected. She knew much better than the fathers of the churches that came after her and taught pagan philosophy instead of the word of God. Do not be afraid, everything must come to an end, and it will be soon according to the signs of times. May the Lord bless you.

[@Uthwita]

The lake of fire is eternal as the fathers have taught clearly, the resurrection is common to man but those set for hell are resurrected into that eternal damnation.

[@mr.caretaker6086]

I really want to like this video but I love the fact this video has 666 likes 😂

[@BibleIllustrated]

Haha, it is what it is :D

[@Astorath_the_Grim]

I'm not an atheist, just a Roman Catholic interested into converting.

[@theyoshine]

The idea that animals lack volition is very Rene Descartes of you?

[@BibleIllustrated]

Nah, just Christian. Animals have no free will.

[@theyoshine]

@@BibleIllustrated verse or church father in question?

[@chrissears8575]

Can you define free will if we are chosen by God?

[@BibleIllustrated]

Chosen by God in what way?

[@chrissears8575]

John 15:12-17 ESV “12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command you. 15 No longer do I call you servants,[a] for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you. 17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another.”

[@Uthwita]

Those who choose to follow God are in turn chosen by Him.

[@chrissears8575]

@@Uthwita God ‘causes’ us to choose him therefore we are elected under grace (Romans 9)

[@Uthwita]

@@chrissears8575 He causes all men to choose Him in that he inclines all to choose Him but it's up to the person to accept Him or not

[@ilerien]

Crazy bit... If i was 10 again I'd think you are right I think ill adress every example and argument you bring here...i love taking bait

[@ilerien]

why is my comment of 10000 symbols gone?

[@ilerien]

i\m not gona write that ll second time with sources and stuff was gona add edit of this but original coment is gone oh and i just noticed at no point you said why god permits hell you simply realy long elaborated that yes god has made hell

[@dopomaximus7083]

A bit overbearing with that subscribe stuff...

[@BibleIllustrated]

Please remember to subscribe to our channel

[@dopomaximus7083]

@@BibleIllustrated lol I did! Pinky promise!

[@bigloler99lel42]

Those in Hell all knowingly reject God and hate Him. There is no "boo hoo what I have I done" in Hell, there is "CURSE CREATION WHY CAN'T I DO WHAT I WANT REEEEE". If a soul were to be taken out of Hell after a thousand years and be given a second chance at life they would immediately plot horrendous acts against God. They are eternally evil, and so their punishment is eternal. Here is a story: a young Satanist, a true knowing hater of God, was harassing a church one day, and the Sunday school teacher prayed that he would be forced to walk outside and stand on the sidewalk, and it was done. With his class watching, he then prayed for a curse to be put on the Satanist: whenever he stepped over the property line of the church he would feel the unbearable agony of Hell, and when he stepped outside the agony would stop. The Satanist stepped into the parking lot and immediately stepped back screaming. Then he stepped forward again and stepped back, repeating this over and over again. The teacher commanded him in the name of Jesus to stay still in the lot, and commanded him to not scream. He asked, "How does this feel?", and the Satanist replied, "It hurts so much, I can't stand this!". The teacher commanded him to walk back and stay still on the sidewalk and asked him, "How did that feel?". He said, "It hurt so much, but I think I like it. I want to feel it again!". The damned are drawn to it like a moth to a flame, for they reject life and choose death. God doesn't force people to love Him, and though He desires that all be saved it is a sad reality that most of humanity would rather burn in Hell than live in Heaven. We are 100% responsible for our sin and if one rejects the incomprehensibly infinite mercy and love of Jesus, which is offered to all, then what else can be done? What else can be said?

[@AquinasBased]

I still don't really get it. Why can't God just create a place for atheists that doesn't burn like hell? Why are there only two options? isn't this basically threat that you have to love God or you go to hell?

[@servus_jesu_christi]

““There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭18‬-‭20‬

[@servus_jesu_christi]

“For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭3‬:‭23‬-‭24‬ “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭6‬:‭23‬ ‭

[@izidorzupan9665]

ROLAND AND ARCHIBALD?! You two, homm3 addicts!

[@BibleIllustrated]

I was aiming more for Homm2, FAKE FAN

[@izidorzupan9665]

@@BibleIllustrated ah shite I misremembered, i really am a fake fan. Also I really like how we balkaners and eastern Europeans all grew up with the same games, the heroes series, stronghold and such.

[@alexkross186]

Why can't we accept God after we die, or more precisely why can't we accept him while in hell, do we lose our free will then?

[@petarmilich8684]

If you say that you just accept God while in Hell, you’re only doing it to get out of trouble, not because you actually want to be a good Christian. It’s like a serial killer admitting that he’s guilty just because he wants to be released from prison.

[@alexkross186]

@@petarmilich8684 you're still saying that a person once in hell can't do something, in this case truly accepr God. So he no longer has free will at least in thar respect

[@johnpaulhumphrey2981]

What we know is today is the day of salvation. We say Christ is risen.... upon those in the tombs bestowing life. We need life to repent. Life is in Christ. That's as far as I have been taught. If im misrepresenting please correct.

[@alexkross186]

@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 I think you should think about whether you have good reasons to believe that's true, not just accept everything you have been taught

[@samtjman]

This gets into the deeper issue of body and soul. Think of the 7 deadly sins, pride, gluttony, greed, lust, sloth, anger, and jealousy. In life, I can practice and meditate on these dark things. In death, my spirit is separate from my body. I no longer can eat or critique food, so I cannot practice gluttony, gold and riches do me no good so I cannot practice greed, I have no body with which to work or rest or have carnal pleasures with another so I cannot practice sloth or lust, I have no voice left to yell or mind to desire that which belongs to others so I cannot practice anger or jealousy. The one thing I am left with is perhaps a feeling or focus on my own greatness, ergo pride. There is a term in Orthodoxy, repentance also known as metanoia which means to turn around and change ones life. If one's soul is filled with these dark things, then self effort is no longer particularly doable after death as facing the temptation and surrendering it to the Lord is how we put away such sins. Now, we do believe that the prayers of the righteous avail much, and the prayers of the living do have a comforting and potentially even salvific effect on those in torment, but that is because either A the person still has a body with which to work or B, one is alive in the Lord and thus has sway in that regard. Another analogy, after one takes a test in school and turns in the sheet, the answers are what the answers are. I have free will with which to study or not for the test. I have free will of whether I will sleep well the night before or stay up playing videogames. However, I cannot change what is already completed. If I go to a casino and put $100 on black, I will either win an additional $100 or lose it all. All that to say, we still have free will, but we are left with the consequences of the choices we made with it. As best I can understand, hell is for those who hate God and can't be rid of Him, or at worst/best the closest thing to separation from God that can be maintained in eternity for those that hate Him. They don't want Him anyway. Read The Great Divorce for a much more more poignant take on this. A dread mercy that I pray none take.

[@elijahzetye7582]

hell is a MERCY of god, proove me wrong

[@Bill_Garthright]

Hell is imaginary. Prove me wrong.

[@petarmilich8684]

@@Bill_Garthright ok. Plenty of people have had experiences where they’ve seen Hell and they can differentiate between that and just having a nightmare.

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@petarmilich8684 _Plenty of people have had experiences where they’ve seen Hell and they can differentiate between that and just having a nightmare._ *Evidence?* Plenty of people have had "experiences" which they relate to whatever religion they were taught to believe as a child, many of them _contradicting_ Christianity. And how, exactly, can those people distinguish that from a dream, a hallucination, or some other perfectly natural event? I ask for evidence, because evidence is how we distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking. What method do _you_ use to distinguish reality from delusion and wishful-thinking? Is it a _reliable_ method? Or don't you even try? Keep in mind that even evidence wouldn't be proof. But if you have no good evidence, you have _nothing_ distinguishable from wishful-thinking.

[@petarmilich8684]

@@Bill_Garthright these people were clinically dead or almost died and saw Heaven or Hell. Whether this is divine or demonic depends on the individual. But you probably think that these people deserve to die anyway simply because they’re religious and atheists today are taught to vehemently hate Christians.

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@petarmilich8684 _these people were clinically dead or almost died and saw Heaven or Hell._ *Evidence?* There are many problems with that claim, but the biggest is that hallucinations are perfectly natural when a brain is stressed. And we can't tell what a person actually experienced, but only what they say they experienced after they wake up - in other words, as their brain is trying to make sense of a period when it was stressed nearly to death. They never have any new information. Even when they claim to have met Jesus, Jesus never has anything to say that we humans don't already know. Also, although there are _stories_ about how they know stuff they couldn't possibly know (like something in the hospital, for example), those stories never hold up when examined, as far as I can tell. And _what_ they report tends to depend on their religious background (and become more elaborate over time, as they inevitably create new memories - something that happens naturally with human beings, anyway). It seems to be exactly what we'd expect from a vivid dream or hallucination. (On the other hand, why in the world would a _god_ choose to communicate in this way? That makes no sense at all.) Christians know what they're _supposed_ to experience. NDE's get a lot of publicity, after all. And Christian imagery isn't exactly unknown, either. It's kind of like how alien sightings tend to be similar once movies and television have shown a particular kind of alien and after particular aliens get a lot of media attention. And, after all, we do tend to dream about stuff we're familiar with. Most other religions don't seem to put such an emphasis on this - or maybe I just don't hear about it in this overwhelmingly Christian land - but there _are_ reports of NDEs backing up Hindu mythology and other religions. (Christian apologists don't usually mention those.) I'm sure an NDE is a profound experience. I don't doubt that. But as far as I can tell, there is _zero_ evidence that it's anything supernatural. It seems to be perfectly natural. _But you probably think that these people deserve to die anyway simply because they’re religious and atheists today are taught to vehemently hate Christians._ Heh, heh. Who has filled your head with that nonsense? Or are you just so faith-based that you regularly imagine whatever you _want?_

[@ronankerrigan7821]

This is just dehumanising people who don't believe in God as bad people. Good people are blue and believe in god, and bad people are red and don't believe God. There is no tangible difference between cones and cubes, they both follow rules and have free will, you didn't even establish where cubes get their rules but it's clear you're implying that these rules come from god. There is no inherent reason that cones will do bad things because their rules are established by what they personally believe, nor is there any inherent reason cones will do good things because they get their rules from god. I think it's telling that you equate cubes to pets, because that is a very common mindset of religious people, especially those who are a part of organised religions. They are god's (religious organizations) pets. Controlled, domesticated and unable to participate in the decisions around their own lives and fate without the fear of punishment from a higher power. This is a vulnerable state of mind that is unfortunately abused by people who preach hateful religious dogma and propaganda. If someone is in the mindset that they are god's pet, and that religious organizations are vessels for the voice of God, they can manipulate people to do terrible things that people wouldn't think to do otherwise with the added fear of the punishment that is everlasting suffering in hell. Just as an owner of a. Dog can teach their pet to bite certain types of people using the threat of punishment to motivate the animal. People who believe in god are not bad people, nor are people who don't believe, but I would implore any religious people to take a hard and uncomfortable look at what their church tells them is right and think of who it hurts. If there was no hell, or punishment from god, what would you feel about sinful people? What would you think of your own sins?

[@BibleIllustrated]

Everything you have criticized in the video is responded to within the video. Cubes ARE pets (animals in general) - they are not people, whether religious or not. And we already said in the video that we're NOT saying that all atheists are going to hell or that all believers are going to heaven. Whether someone is 'good' or 'bad' does not figure in this video, again something we said from the get go (the banal view of heaven and hell).

[@icarusrising355]

One would have to presuppose a perfect knowledge & understanding of consequences to constitute a clear 'rejection,' as described analogously in your video. Perhaps if perennial philosophy or theistic pluralism were granted as true, then maybe, that sort of argument could have some potential. Otherwise I think it's just the same thing Christian apologists have been regurgitating for the last several decades.

[@0670083130]

Its not about where you are on the ladder, its about what direction youre climbing Theistic pluralism isn't necessary for this argument to work, as the basis of the argument is that everyone is judged individually based on the illumination granted them. Someone with no exposure to God of the bible, but only to the grandeur of nature should still feel a tug in their heart to seek the source. This would be a response to God, potentially opening the person up to salvific grace. Thus it is in every individual circumstance. Perhaps a staunch atheist hasn't had exposure to good theology. Perhaps a lifelong hindu is simply acclimated by upbringing to his false beliefs. These are mitigating factors, but still within these circumstances there is the obligation to seek truth. A Sunday Christian with no intention to seek a deeper connection to christ or do the works of a Christian is stagnating