Writer of Braveheart | Randall Wallace | EP 166

Randall Wallace, graduate of Duke University, is an American NYT bestselling author of seven novels, as well as a screenwriter (TV and film), director, producer, songwriter, holder of a black belt in karate, and founder of Hollywood for Habitat for Humanity. He is perhaps best known for writing the historical drama Braveheart (1995), which earned him a Writers Guild of America Award for Best Original Screenplay and an Academy Award nomination in the same category, but has since directed The Man in the Iron Mask (1998), We Were Soldiers (2002), Secretariat (2010) and Heaven Is for Real (2014). Mr. Wallace also penned the lyrics to the acclaimed hymn Mansions of the Lord (music by Nick Glennie-Smith), featured in the soundtrack of When We Were Soldiers, and performed as the recessional for President Ronald Reagan's funeral.
Mr. Wallace and I discussed the power of art, music, and story, his unlikely stint writing songs for an animal band, the profound influence of Biblical stories on his work and thought, the experience of depression, the necessity and significance of sacrifice, the general development of his career as a successful Hollywood writer and director, and his upcoming action movie about the Pope.
This episode was recorded on March 9th, 2021.
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[@babaksafi370]

"I've been asked why I make warmovies. And I always say I dont, I make lovestories. I want to know what you love enough to sacrifice your life for." Mr. Wallace. Somehow hits me really hard...

[@pimbu936]

😅l I’m going b H😅 ought know on Maybe 😊il

[@melindacohea127]

“You steal from your children, if you take their problems away”.... As a lifelong educator, this quote blew my mind and made me want to stamp it on the forehead of every helicopter parent I’ve ever run into.

[@markfoertmeyer7690]

Thank you

[@margaretcantlon9960]

I want to stamp it on my forehead so every person I pass can get the Message!

[@jmz388]

Your abillity to survive is the core of your beeing and geniouses like Jordan needs lots to keep the tyranical left at bay History must learn us that tyrany shifts with who is in power and Will as power corrupts as the founders knew

[@guymondo]

'Letting go into the arms of God'. Once again we are invited to surrender all illusions of control, and trust in Faith over fear. Thankyou gentlemen

[@FreedomLoversShow]

Personal responsibility is the secret

[@aleece4]

“If they crucified Jesus Christ, there are gonna be some people that don’t like you.” 😂 That’s an epic line

[@rubenmatos100]

Epic!!!

[@RS-chino]

Incredible isn't it. What a woman his mother must have been.

[@rukusfan1387]

"If they kill the shepherd, what do you think they will do to the sheep"?

[@jackhammer7824]

@@FrZ321 Your thought!☆ what if he was just a Delusional crazy man that Had great knowledge and Got angry enough to get in trouble and hanged.

[@jackhammer7824]

@@rukusfan1387 invented and killed him * [ and raised him from the dead ] Maybe he never died ?

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

This conversation is the perfect example of two heavyweights coming together to produce something amazing that everyone can watch for free. What a time to be alive.

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

@Wise Acres 'Hello Fence Post' Stop proving that there are, in fact, pathetic people in society. Them betas be coming in with a vengeance LMAO.

[@Jaster832]

I had a very similar thought as I was watching this. It is indeed an amazing time when you can witness substantive conversations between intellectuals for free basically anywhere in the world on demand. Imagine if this type of technology were around when the Federalist Papers were being published? It is a tide that raises all ships, even for the ones like Megan Chalmers who have no capacity for appreciation.

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

@@meganchalmers6564 You're the one talking about grown men being wet, what kind of cult are you in 👀

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

@@Jaster832 Yeah forreal. But they did an unbelievable job with those founding documents when you consider the access to information and global communication they did have, but it's an interesting thought experiment nonetheless. With regard to the other comments from the cultist talking about grown men being wet, there will always be people who are merely background noise to be tuned out. This is exactly that.

[@mosesmeshack4595]

Yes it’s absolutely amazing! What a great time to be alive and witness this. The wise can choose to learn and not take this information for granted.

[@hollismallory2757]

2:16:25 Jordan: “You know I would like to talk to you for another three hours” Me: “Yes. Let’s do that”

[@JaketheJust]

I second the motion

[@jamesportrais3946]

@@JaketheJust Third!

[@inkbythebarrelandpaperbyth6905]

Fourth

[@qwertpoo1]

Whenever JP says "Hello" I say hello back

[@gretelhance]

Ok?

[@Geovorbin]

Yeah I do that too 😂

[@ninaratiu]

Hahaha indeed!

[@RageQuitSco]

It's only polite!

[@AwesomeFrank69]

HA ha....Me too! You have to say Hello back to Him. He's so Kool .

[@ZwartOpZwart]

This must be one of my favorite conversations. Randall Wallace and Jordan Peterson are like two singers performing a duet.

[@jesuschristislord7754]

We need 4 more hours of these two gentlemen.

[@SVisionary]

The part about the 19 year old woman who lost her fiancé shattered me. Love my wife with the same fiery passion. Rest in peace young man.

[@starksanchez3812]

Bless you.

[@SVisionary]

@@starksanchez3812 Thanks, and to you as well.

[@Milestonemonger]

Just when I thought Hollywood was soulless, here comes someone like Mr. Wallace 💫

[@paulbrereton4137]

Take a look at Gary Sinise and Keanu Reeves as well. There's a few of them out there 👍. Not many, but a few.

[@davidantista3558]

I know what you say is true, that is exactly what I was thinking during this conversation as well!

[@mcuembedded]

@@paulbrereton4137 Matthew McConnoughey is interesting as well

[@matts9491]

They aren't souless they are satanists, freemasons every one

[@thehappyloaf]

@@matts9491 K.

[@grahamhobbs3501]

What a lovely man - and Jordan's joy in talking to him was genuine

[@C2yourself]

Braveheart is one of my favorite movies ever. I watched it about a week ago when the Canadian Truckers started their convoy to Ottowa to protest mandates and demand their Freedom. The support of the citizens along the road, the joining in of farmers and cowboys, the joining in from truckers in Bolivia, Mexico, Australia, Ireland, Italy and USA.. reminded me of the fighting spirit of Wallace. To love your country so much you'll die to protect her. It's a beautiful thing, beautiful movie everyone should watch now and find their own Braveheart

[@johnbags2525]

Settle down

[@coreybacklun6846]

Loved the movie and so sad to know we won’t ever recover. It’s sad but revolt is not an option as we must be civil. I will just go with it and let my Lord JESUS take care of the rest. He has foretold these days long ago

[@thomasb4152]

I love that Randall Wallace is a genuine fan of Jordan's work

[@XandersArcaneStudy]

This!

[@maryelizabethhuber]

I feel like the two of them have a mutual respect that could be a great friendship 💜

[@nataliek5134]

Yes this conversations shows what kindred spirits the two are

[@Sa-nm1gt]

@@nataliek5134 they talked about the Resurrection movie?

[@constancemiller3753]

Mutual admiration.🤝

[@pollynolin3602]

Mr. Wallace- I have to share with you two things. My father was a WWII veteran (a Marine radioman In the Pacific). He was incredibly moved when he heard the West Point choir sing “Mansions of the Lord,” and he told me he wanted it played at his funeral. He had no other requests for his service. And so we had a West Point choir singing at a Marine’s graveside service. Second- Secretariat was one of his favorite movies. I watched it many times with him. 😊 (I loved it, too) So, I wanted to say thank you for your work. It’s been important in my life.

[@peterroselle7612]

So refreshing to hear two geniuses having a deep conversation that made me laugh, made me cry and made me think - one of the best I’ve heard by JP - no small feat.

[@duanegantt5792]

Hi Peter, I second the motion, had the same impact on me. I agree, one of the best

[@Opa773]

Beautiful minds charring life’s moments .

[@bearskinner2601]

Love, love, love this podcast. More Randall Wallace please! I could listen this conversation everyday. Both of you are so thoughtful and wise, and modestly so. God bless you

[@sylvanbear7125]

It would be fun if Wallace would give Peterson a cameo role in his next movie.

[@johnnyvanderheide2298]

Yes!!!! Make this comment go viral!??? An x-files smoking man type!!!!

[@NegationOfNegation]

Would be fun if Marvel make a character out of JP, oh wait..

[@johnnyvanderheide2298]

@@NegationOfNegation too soon.... just too soon lol

[@HueghMungus]

@@NegationOfNegation Oh my god haha, yes to this 😆🤣🤣🤣🙃👍

[@marusgoren9977]

spot on m8

[@charlierose5569]

Randal Wallace fangirling over Jordan is the BEST thing I’ve ever witnessed!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@okoronkwowisdom3811]

I think he is fanboying him instead. It’s not a distinction without a difference, colloquially speaking.

[@davidkoziar1811]

What about Nicole Arbour? 😀

[@charlierose5569]

@@davidkoziar1811 Nicole was a bit more subtle 😉

[@allovertheplace7973]

Some of my favorite childhood movies were made by Randall, so I was so happy when I noticed the same thing.

[@rlperez4]

One of the best, if not the best interview I’ve heard. I had no idea this man existed or still exists in our lives. Priceless interview. Thank you JP!

[@GiannisF_77]

These last several episodes are so incredibly revealing. To have such content for free, man, what a blessing.

[@hanneswurstbrot6902]

it isn´t for free though. if we are lucky enough we encounter some gems that can cost us part of our ignorance. that´s truely a blessing

[@GiannisF_77]

@@hanneswurstbrot6902 Well said, very well said.

[@mikeywhispers1588]

Jordan is just such a likable guy

[@GiannisF_77]

@@mikeywhispers1588 I think the fact that he demonstrates his competence while retaining obvious humility plays an important role in that.

[@mikeywhispers1588]

@@GiannisF_77 I wish he was my dad

[@pheddupp]

I'm tickled to see this video. I was supremely blessed to work as a first unit Grip during the filming of "Secretariat." Randall Wallace is the definition of "a gentleman and a scholar." He was a pleasure to work for, and I would follow him to the ends of the Earth. What a genuinely nice man worthy of all of the praise heaped on him. It was depressing when we wrapped up with "Secretariat" photography. I would jump at the opportunity to work for Mr. Wallace again. Thanks for doing this interview with him Dr. Peterson.

[@oceanrheaful]

Also great to see the impact Jordan has had on him as well. Beautiful thing to see!

[@kitgenz1114]

@Joe Dick ah, yes, I see you’re living up to your name these days. And great job on that billion seller novel you published yesterday. Go you! 😂

[@kitgenz1114]

​@Joe Dick I'm glad.

[@kitgenz1114]

@Joe Dick I know, what a mystery.

[@Egad]

@Joe Dick The only person looking like an ass would be you. Not a great writer? You should probably look Randall Wallace up before making such a generalized statement basing his ability on a single movie, which was great by the way. He happens to be a very prolific writer of books, screenplays and even music.

[@silastube_]

I’m so humbled and fascinated by the information in this conversation. How fortunate am I to get a chance to listen to the cognitive interplay between these 2 brilliant minds.

[@Intercaust]

We are truly blessed.

[@antoinettetidey2430]

I’m old and tired of life watching and listening to these two ‘Brave Hearts’ is inspiring.

[@givinband4]

Same

[@kenyafromcali]

I went to sleep and awoke to this conversation. My life feels better. Brilliance and compassion.

[@pawelmatus]

When Murron looks at the landscape for William right before she is killed is the most powerful moment in Braveheart, in my opinion. Wonderful to hear two great minds talk at length. Thank you both.

[@nubbinthemonkey]

This guy must make friends with everyone he meets and everyone he meets seems to be extraordinary. I wonder if he ever runs out of stories to tell

[@matthewdenmark5490]

I have a feeling that this is the beginning of Jordan and Randall becoming best friends, they’re very temperamentally and culturally similar people

[@michaelstanwick9690]

That was my perception as well. They both resonated with each other.

[@SH-xw1cd]

I had the sense that I knew they would talk again. Wallace seemed to draw something out of Peterson that we've never seen before. A happier side although not any less sincere. I hope they let us listen in to another conversation of theirs.

[@ComradeZBunch]

I think Dr. Peterson (if I remember correctly) has a fairly close friend that walks with him on a daily basis...

[@EBM4545]

Don't think I ever have seen Jordan smile and enjoy himself ever with anyone more😁

[@Zepllica]

@@SH-xw1cd well said sir.

[@jonlynch]

"If you're creative, you like to break things, but if you're orderly you don't like the mess." Oh man, this is my life.

[@alaalfa8839]

Bruce Lipton... and Joe Dispenza say "Chaos is actually ordered."... Chaos is creativity, ... Chaos only it looks like a chaos, but its actually an order, or it creates order....As I understand it , if you have a mess in kitchen it may look like lot of chaos and creativity, but you feel so much chaos in mind that you feel urgency to clean up the mess.., because you dont want to be in mess... so chaos is order because it forces you to do something.

[@hollismallory2757]

You are a very rare person then.

[@joshualovelace3375]

Yeah, it is torture

[@Benjamin-fu5ij]

me too! I hadn't even thought of this in terms of personality traits!

[@micahtherat9101]

It's interesting that it seems negative to you. For me, I find the most joy in making a mess and then ordering it.

[@roseblack3117]

I loved this podcast- in a time where there’s so much craziness; so much fear- watching this felt like sitting down and listening to two level headed; wise and highly accomplished guys just talking about life. The song at the end raised my spirits and I’m not really even that religious- but you’re so right- there’s something so beautiful about faith. Still bawling like a baby 😭

[@fhoinstall]

This was so uplifting at time so confusing, a source of encouragement and strength pointing us to the source and helping me not fear the pain. I'm 67 and starting over and I needed to hear this. Thank you Jordan and Mr. Wallace for the courage to believe again. I loved the song at the end. I'm still wiping the tears away.

[@elizabethwallace-donnelly.2356]

I agree Rose.. 🌹

[@rebelraccoon9018]

"If they crucified Jesus Christ there gonna be some people that don't like you" his mom is a riot😅👏

[@jonlynch]

Maybe I don't get out much, but this strikes me as one of the most epic conversations of this century. Just beautiful in every way.

[@charlottemarsh9450]

Agree!!

[@Matheus16905]

I feel this after every single Peterson's interview

[@notmyrealname8448]

There are a lot of those on this channel 🥰

[@Spearbeard]

Agreed!

[@NitwitMN]

I may return to this over and over. Those two give off dazzling sparkly stuff that’s serious as whooping cough and at other points peak playful delight. That chat was like grandma’s nightgown-it covered everything.

[@laurboro]

I’m about halfway through now, and I have already teared up several times, which is a rare feat. I never ever leave comments anywhere, but this is by far the best conversation I have heard in a long long time and I felt like that needed to be said. Thank you!

[@owenjmolloy]

Thank You . In regard to both perspectives about life work and family. I especially love, put the lights up for God. God bless you both , a wonderful conversation to have the pleasure to hear. OwenMolloyJR. Dublin Ireland

[@-ChrisD]

That is wonderful indeed!

[@ar-sithf.austin3744]

The moment they spoke about the young woman who'd lost her husband thru death and he wanted her to watch Braveheart... I thought about (over six years later now) losing my second wife who didn't die but left me. Who I'd prayed for years after a bad first marriage and was celebate over three years before I met her and waited for the ONE. Who was a Marine ten years, beautiful, strong, perfect for me and my desire and like I had been in the military but failed at and I loved her so much and she lost her beloved grandma who she wanted a life like her grandparents and we had but when her grandma died she lost it on me and left and I loved her so much and she moved back across the country and just killed me, a part of me died.. Anyway, she basically died to me. It tore my heart out, completely... Man, just so much good and work for us and she thought I'd leave her like she was "garbage" in her past as she'd been done and all my family became hers and loved her and she left me, just like I'm junk and the kids that should of been ours that I've had since with people I don't love that she's now had and it was just so much insane pointless waste on hers and the "should of been" ours, "could of" and the tragedy of it was worse than if she'd actually died or me. It destroyed years of my life now and after I got over it I still am not over it watching this... Thinking about the post potential, what I let ruin my life ... There is a point to it all. There always is. God still let's this just strike my heart and me not accepting it and living. I can't even love another woman now and don't want to because the one I did is gone, forever, and I don't want because I married the one I wanted and that is gone. I don't have the strength to even be able to do what I did to get where I was to live and love like that again on this Earth. There is a reason for this and for God I can't see it... That's just a part of the tragedy of life and what I've seen but being cheated almost of the continuince of that love for her, with her, the support. The chapters coming of a book that was slammed shut on me like so many others... Destroyed me and it sounds so stupid and petty and "big deal" and it threw me into a hell on Earth... God this is dumb. Why am I writing about this crap.

[@ar-sithf.austin3744]

I would of walked hand in hand to hell with her and given her my life... I know what it feels like looking at a picture like Braveheart and that beautiful woman with her full figure, gorgeous to perfect... And it dying. Forever. It kills part of your soul. But life is so much more. For everyone and most never realize it.

[@amiracleone2803]

I love braveheart its so good. The movie was amazing wich is why I read the book. Such an amazingly written tale its truly inspirational

[@spacebender]

This is one of the best discussions I've encountered. The passion of each of these two men for their life’s work of bringing meaning to embodiment in story and sound was so evident and, being conveyed in a manner so raw and unadorned and thus pure, created a natural rapport that invited us all to partake of an exchange that felt truly eternal and sacred.

[@orangesox915]

This has got to be one of the most inspiring conversations I have ever listened to. I had heard that Mr. Wallace told Mel Gibson "take it or leave it, but I'm not changing it", and Gibson saw the vision for the movie and the rest is history.

[@Milestonemonger]

Listening to someone tell an interesting story is about the most pleasurable thing I could imagine.

[@jrock8089]

Really?

[@jamesmcnicholas2554]

Today, my day off, I spent a thoroughly enlightened hour or so listening to JP 2016 personality lecture(Piaget to Jung) and then this podcast just popped up. At the boyish age of 60, I felt I was sitting across the table from these boyos, swapping stories in my local pub.. I haven't laughed so heartily in three years and dropped a solid tear on more than one occasion. The conversation and storytelling was so enveloping, colourful and compelling to listen to. JPs early comments on art reminded me of a poem I learnt by heart under the iron fist of the Christian Brothers college education in Ireland ( jokingly referred to in my younger days, as 'the military wing of the Catholic church', due to their fondness of NOT spareing the rod and spoiling the child, LOL ) John Keats poem " Odd to a Grecian Urn". Beauty is truth, truth beauty".. " that is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know" Today was a good day, here in lockdown Northern Ireland💜🙏

[@terrynordon]

Beauty trumps happiness my friend, but I feel happy knowing it :)

[@andrewmckeown6786]

All the pre-2017 lectures rock(no disrespect but you can see the shadow) even the old Harvard lectures-man, such a treasure!

[@amacnaughton85]

I thought of the same poem!

[@givinband4]

God bless you, sir :)

[@hibakhamiszananiri2346]

Jesus loves you ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🔥

[@jhuelsmann9430]

I can’t get enough of Jordan’s podcasts. Laughs, tears, deep thoughts, and loads of encouragement. 😀

[@sunsetonsukkot]

Love Braveheart, I have watched it hundreds of times, back when I bought the video, and then eventually replaced it with the dvd,, it played in the backround too, just to hear the music and dialogue, my children grew up with it, I still will pop it in every few months, my grandchildren all have seen it a few times , great movie, something about it rings true to the heart

[@kckc9955]

Love your interviews. I have a request. A guest would love to see on your podcast! Dr. Thomas Sowell. This would be legendary. Please do it! The world would benefit from that conversation.

[@stompinknowledge3968]

This cannot be upvoted enough

[@hoviksmail]

The world needs this ASAP.

[@cokkep]

Yeeees

[@darkphoenix00001]

this needs to happen without delay.

[@beecee9681]

That would be a beautiful conversation. I love Dr. Sowell's voice.

[@aditimascarenhas5608]

I just finished this episode and I'm crying for some reason I can't seem to fathom right now. This was beautiful, Doc.

[@rpjswish]

I had the same experience.. the ending with Randall's song was a surprise, and fitting, I think, as in to give praise for such minds, talent and commitment.

[@raulespinoaparicio9412]

YES!! Still tearing up! What an amazing conversation, and the ending song was just perfect.

[@michaelkofman3881]

We get to witness a man pressing the gas pedal all the way down every waking moment and it comes through.

[@landerwyoming9720]

You're amazing Jordan and thank you deeply for sharing your life and inviting others like Randall Wallace to do the same. You are doing such an excellent service for others - I too wish it could go on for another 3 hours. God bless you young man.

[@vogel1776]

That Jordan tears up when talking about how is writings helped someone encountered on the street says everything. Jesus stated that when you serve the lowest in society, you serve him. Jordan gets this. Be encouraged!

[@lightworkerwordsmithwhitma1039]

Another one?? These podcasts are like a lighthouse. Can't wait to dive in. Thank you, Dr. Peterson... from a woman whose life you changed. Eternal gratitude for you. May God bolster and bless you and your family.

[@Vashthestampedeo]

The only begotten son of Jesus Christ (King David) is reporting for duty. He was a man whose tongue held no lies, For he was the direct descendant of our father in the heavenly skies. Born to a body of fleshy sin, Though what laid beneath was unlike the rest of his kin. Jesus had the utmost grace, Never being wavered by evils face. He was wise beyond any years, Performing miracles that would bring crowds to tears. A beacon of light on top of a starless mountain, Where words of wisdom poured out of him as if there ran a cosmic fountain. His eyes pierced through you with a single glance, Leaving even the most hardened individuals in quite the trance. The Holy Spirit so ever majestically flowed inside this man, Naturally people caught notice and became a fan. Students began showing up from every mold, When they heard his words their hearts were sold. Wicked men put a price on Jesus's head, He was wanted alive or dead. Despite this he and his disciples continued their teachings, Where on occasion they endured terrible beatings. One of the twelve apostles turned to black, No longer having Jesus's back. Judas Iscariot had done Satan's bidding, And it is in hell where he now is sitting. Jesus died on the cross to pay for our shortcoming, However don't be saddened for if you believe in him you will see him at your homecoming. There he sits at the right hand of God's throne, Being the voice of truth and love that we all have known. Satan's tongue is coated in a layer of deceit, And he tramples over promises with his feet. He's a being who is bound by deceptions, Whose very essence oozes with misconceptions. He struggles to look you in your eyes, For his gaze holds nothing but lies. On occasion he will give you his hand, But don't be fooled by his stand. He seeks to corrupt your heart, You would be wise to avoid him from the start. Seeking quick pleasures and casting aside love, He traverses this land with push and shove. Now Lucifer was once not lost, But pride blinded him at a cost. Disobeying God he waged war, Becoming detestable to the core. Today he is the ruler of Earth, Though for all his power he has no real worth. However most of us have still been sold, Giving into sin and becoming cold. Nearly everyone is a puppet dancing on strings, Marching to delusion for their unjust kings. My people have given into lust, Becoming robots full of rust. However you my child are the exception, So when you meet me don't forget to mention. That you alone have been granted the key, And before your glory they shall all bend a knee.

[@jamesmcnicholas2554]

Such a beautiful sentiment and blessing Miss/Mrs LightWorkerWordsmith. 🙏💜

[@lauramcaz]

Add to that another woman whose life has been influenced and changed from listening to JP during the last year. God is gracious. Blessings to you.

[@cjester23]

He changed my life as well! *High Five* Got me off my ass and "cleaning my room" and then I went back and read Maps of Meaning and I hold that as the single most impactful modern text of my life.

[@nooncecares]

My sentiments exactly

[@briannanovak7831]

My husband loves "Brave Heart", believes it is one of the greatest love stories ever written, and tells me he loves me that much. He is the only man I want to be with, forever, because I really know what a great man he is and I am safe in his arms, no matter what happens in our lives. I am truly blessed. What a gift you have given the world by sharing your talent, Mr. Wallace. Thank you.

[@elagace03]

This is such an interesting, and highly intellectual conversation filled with so much wisdom it’s coming out of their ears. I can’t believe content like this is free.

[@mayermiklos]

I could've listened to Randall's stories and great laugh for hours! :) One of the best podcasts by Jordan, thank you! In the end Randall mentioned Steven Pressfield, who wrote the "Bible for creatives" the War of Art. I really wish Jordan will get him on the show as well, he's also a fantastic storyteller. I wish Randall success with his future projects - if he starts a KZbin channel, I'm already subbed!

[@carpediemjonah8110]

Every time you speak, you make life so worthwhile. And with every sunrise, life is so much more meaningful. I make one room in my home beautiful. Both of you are making the earth a more beautiful place to be in.

[@gregoryteeple9306]

20 years ago my wife, my mother and I were walking through the historic area of Charleston. We were walking past the old episcopal church and could hear the choir rehearsing inside. The voices were angelic. Tears came to our eyes as we listened. The singing was little louder than a whisper from the outside. The transcendent nature of that experience still brings tears to my eyes.

[@MeMe-dw1sm]

Myself and my wife had the same experience walking through Krakow, Poland. They were mimicking animal sounds, I'd never heard that before, truly amazing with the old church acoustics.

[@calebhenry9071]

It's amazing the numerous things men like Jordan and Randall do in their lives. I couldn't believe it as I listened, he wrote screenplays, songs, articles, got into the TV show industry. Unbelievable!

[@rme36]

This might well be the most fascinating, joyful and moving conversation so far.

[@avcrawford]

@1:32:34 “I made a vow that neither of two things would hold me back: a lack of effort or a fear of failure”

[@OwenDrake]

Dr. Peterson's interviews are always interesting and informative. But this one crossed over into a new realm of art.

[@AjGalloway95]

I dont wholly credit Jordan for the extraction obviously but what was pulled out of Randall Wallace in this interview was art for sure.

[@cindyrobertson3798]

Amen!

[@streetballa331]

Maybe my favorite of all Jordan’s conversations that I have heard

[@EBM4545]

I almost didn't watch this episode. It could be one of the best I have watched, lucky me for deciding to watch.

[@BandasPalette]

Yes!!!! Jordan you're on a roll. Love all these discussions. You and Randall just flowed. Such an amazing talk! Praying for great health to you and your family. God bless!

[@bishoprobertbarron8337]

Child of God, let pray for our country Nation State's communities and our households especially our families regarding the pandemic for some countries. Child of God keep your dream alive. Understand to achieve anything requires faith and believe in yourself, vision, hard work, determination and dedication., Remember things are possible for those who believe. (2 Corinthians 9:6) Help others make a living by sowing a seed of faith to this Goodness Orphanage Home Foundation, located in Benin, Edo state Nigeria, before 2days with faith. And let me know so I can join you in prayers deeply because he want to manifest his promises in your life and that of your lovely family. You are lifted up above any spiritual tower. These children are in NEED of HELP. Nobody should know about the seed is between you and God, is a covenant seed, you will testify to the Glory of God after you have done it if only you believe in him and do what says by Lord of host, (proverbs 3:27, 21:26, 22:9) (Due, 28:15)(Zachariah 4:6) contact or WhatsApp the MD in charge of the orphanage to get their details :-[phone] ( luke6:38) As you believe and do so may almighty God multiply your income and and cast all the attack in your life and I pray for Divine Grace, favour, protection and blessings shall be your portion in Jesus Name. God bless you....

[@MariaPerez-uv8mm]

ditto!

[@alexk48]

@@bishoprobertbarron8337 go away. Everyone knows you're not Bishop Barron. You're not even a good imposter.

[@makdaddy629]

I feel like we all just witnessed the beginning of these two becoming best friends

[@Chris-cf2kp]

I was entranced by this movie seeing it at a young age. My mind recognized the heroism and beauty in it's tragedy and courage even though I didn't realize it, and I used to listen to the soundtrack all the time because it would remind me of William Wallace's character qualities.

[@KristopherWilliams_tahmson]

I just want to say, Beyond Order was an amazing book. It is truly inspirational, educational and deep. You have forever changed the way I perceive stories, and their meanings. It’s the type of book I’ll need to come back too, as I felt I finished it too quickly. I’ve purchased the book 3 times and have shared it with others. Thank you.

[@notkhyle]

It's always a magical experience for me to see two grown people get really riled up on an old song i've never heard of. I can't point it out exactly, but i believe it's the glimmer of youth we all once shared.

[@alexk48]

@@bishoprobertbarron8337 this is not from Bishop Barron. It's not even a remotely convincing impersonation. Stop it.

[@76006linda]

Beautiful song at the end. Thank you Jordan and Randall for a great conversation. God bless you both

[@barbaraleiss1415]

Jordan, I salute the Truckers who have taken the essence of Brave Heart to heart!

[@mantrinbago]

Religion, history, songwriting, sacrifice, surprise, movies, scriptwriting and the resurrection. This has to be one of the best and most profound conversations I’ve had the pleasure to witness.

[@JACKSPARROW-iy7rw]

Hi Jordan, im so glad you are better. I'm very poor but you enrich my life with these free high quality videos. Thank you so much for doing this and not putting a pay walk Infront of these great conversations. The best things in life are those things we can all share

[@inthedeepstate]

wish you success and prosperity!

[@albertoantonio1643]

By poor, do you mean below middle class?

[@davecampbell9803]

I smashed the like button too.

[@Dee-nonamnamrson8718]

Are you younger than 25? If so, you aren't poor, you just haven't found the right path yet. Clean your room, and go save your father from the belly of the whale.

[@Dee-nonamnamrson8718]

@Jordan Peterson The one thing youtube did right was adding the checkmark to verified creators.

[@davecampbell9803]

Jesus, I'm in bloody tears, that was amazing. Great job both men.

[@amadadelrey6372]

That was the best interview I've ever seen you do! Thank you for having Randall Wallace on! What an amazing man! As are you!

[@elizabethwilk9615]

I lived in Europe for 11 years. I felt so blessed every time I entered a cathedral. When I would see tourist that behaved disrespectfully it truly hurt me.

[@bridge5999]

I am so uplifted and inspired by this conversation. Beauty, truth, and goodness in these two men.

[@WLynn-su2fs]

*I* would like for you to talk with Mr. Wallace for another 3 hours, too! Thank you, Dr. Peterson. Again.

[@danw331]

What a time to be alive, whereby I can listen to hours of these intellectual titans discuss the meaning of life, and I can watch it for free, at home, or in my car, without any mob being able to get at me.

[@mariaflor9968]

One of my favorite podcasts, it feels like two long time friends having a meaningful conversation. Well done sirs.

[@ReynaSingh]

These discussions have been incredibly interesting. I learn so much every time

[@user-ub1nz9dt4f]

It is such a privilege to ear in on such a conversation. Thank you so much, Dr. Peterson!

[@debrarenteria8167]

Ok, this is the most enjoyable JP podcast I've heard. Bravo!

[@andrewwood7303]

Another fascinating character, rendered comprehensible by the genius and sensitivity of the Peterson intellect. As much as I love the Sam Harris intellectual and moral analysis, I am never moved so deeply as when Jordan works his magic. It really is a peek into the transcendent for the lifelong atheist in me. Gripping, tear jerking stuff.

[@tombarrett7797]

It is a fascinating ability for all of us to eavesdrop on such an interesting conversation not only because the topics are serious and thought provoking but also for the friendly banter of two people getting to know each other with obvious connection. Keep rolling JBP you make the world a better place because you are here.

[@nooncecares]

I absolutely love this conversation and to see the sheer joy in Jordan's face was thrilling. I was so happy to see him happy. This guy is someone I find as fascinating as Jordan

[@billysmith7686]

What an interesting a wide-ranging character Mr Wallace is. I must admit to being a Scot who isn't a great lover of Braveheart but Randall Wallace's influence on the culture of my country is legendary and eternal, just on Sunday the National newspaper featured a front page allusion to the 1995 epic.

[@calummcallister137]

I loved the film. Just wish people knew that it's fiction. Wallace was a criminal and rapist. Also annoying taking King Robert the Bruce's name of Braveheart.

[@camillaluckey4136]

Such pure pleasure to watch the Peterson-Wallace friendship be birthed.

[@Dot2TrotsLowCarbLiving]

This was an amazing discussion. I really need to listen to more of JP podcasts or lectures on storytelling. Just amazing.

[@charlierose5569]

Buckle up!!! The very core of your being is about to go a transformation. I’m very exited for you ❤️👏🏽

[@stephensullivan1011]

Yep

[@rhodagriffith7524]

Thanks for such a lovely conversation. I cant believe I can access such meaningful discourse. Such an affinity between these two men on a beautiful deep soul level.

[@janicemacpherson4158]

@@stephensullivan1011 a

[@stefan1924]

I can recommend a talk he did for the National Gallery of Canada. It's not on his channel, just put it into the search bar. That was one of my favourite bits if him about art.

[@sobrietyandthefivedaygodch2124]

I've changed my life with Jordan Peterson's help! I just lost my son to a fentanyl overdose 30 days ago and have been able to remain sober knowing I can turn thing horrific news into positive actions and positive prayer. I refuse for it to be a horrific event! The passing of my son Brandon will be a Great Event by the time me and my God get through with it! Thank you for everything you have done for me and for this world Dr Jordan Peterson! Much love your way!

[@johnnyamerica4336]

I appreciate Jordan allowing his guests to speak without interruption.

[@christopherrobbins9985]

So good. JP showing great strength and lucidity. Growing stronger by the day. So good to see. Randall Wallace is an incredible human...individuated person. He has integrated Shadow and anima elements. Balanced man.

[@ThaiChinaMalay]

No matter how long Jordan's talks are, I cannot wait for the next meaningful thought and idea that is sure to come.

[@elihill4476]

One of my closest friends was so motivated by Braveheart that he went back and rediscovered his Scottish family roots. He'd re-watch the movie all the time, and looked up to William Wallace as a legend to live up to because of that movie. It was so impactful he had a full-on obsession with Scottish culture, something he still holds to this day. I never really understood it until I one day watched that movie, really amazing stuff. This was an amazing interview/talk!

[@AjGalloway95]

The last half hour was PRICELESS!!!!!! What a profound collision of pain and overcoming. Amazing that moments like these are preserved

[@kenolson3064]

Thank you so much for this discussion today gentlemen. I feel truly fed and inspired to be a better man than I am.

[@ktoth29]

This conversation reminded me of when Notre Dame caught on fire a couple years ago... I had some left wing friends who were lamenting all the money wasted on repairing it that could have gone towards feeding the poor. I was just flabbergasted that they couldn't see the value in preserving a 1000 year old structure.

[@Trollificusv2]

I'm flabbergasted that even leftists could think anybody in Paris, or the West, was actually starving. It IS possible to get enough drugs that eating is not even a tertiary consideration, but nobody who wants food is unable to get any. And I've known people with nothing. Homeless junkies can get food (for free, since the money goes towards dope).

[@yann4601]

The poor built Notre Dame, and the least the « rich » can do is repairing it when they let it burn by negligence…

[@ChainsawGutsFuck]

To be fair, modern religion has become it's own enemy. Far too money-obsessed, with gilded halls, rich incense and luxurious robes... while preserving an old structure is worthwhile, the establishment itself is the rotten core that makes it harder to justify. "It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

[@marisamartin3664]

You can be sure they aren't spending much of their own money on feeding the poor. And does it ever occur to them that even poor people go to a beautiful cathedrals to be encouraged.

[@VoteCliffHutchison]

57:48 in the interview, referencing John 12:3-8. The fuller passage is very illuminating to what you're talking about.

[@margaretsmith7712]

Dr.Peterson and Mr. Wallace, thank you . The joy of the Lord is our strength......Mr. Wallace you have the most infectious laugh I could not help smiling with you.....joy and laughter with Dr.Petersons brilliancy and humility.....excellent for humanity.....My God bless your inspirations, all for the glory of God......Praise the Lord....xx

[@jonis7989]

To me this is the best interview JBP has ever done. God bless you both.

[@bendonkin9449]

One of the best conversations i’ve had the pleasure of listening to Jordan. This is absolutely brilliant content, and really cheered me up and inspired me.

[@thomasludlow4631]

These podcasts keep getting better and better. Going to go watch all of Randall's movies now

[@johnpreuss5796]

Pretty amazing to see someone give Dr. Peterson a tiny portion of what he gives the world.

[@hamidmoradi1340]

Randall wallace has lived such a life, that makes me like living more.

[@OverOnTheWildSide]

Didn’t expect to hear an interview with the originator of one of the most influential movies I’ve ever seen.

[@OverOnTheWildSide]

So grateful you’re doing these Dr. Peterson.

[@michaelmardian1652]

Love this discussion. It is wonderful to hear Randall Wallace discussing his faith so openly. We need more famous and impactful people not being afraid to discuss their faith. God Bless!

[@Tankaroni]

I have loved Mr. Wallace from a distance thru his work. It was a true joy to see his face and heart. Thank you Mr. Peterson for highlighting this hidden gem of a human being. God bless you both.

[@lounaannajung4454]

I really hope the Elon Musk episode is coming up soon 🙏 I know you both are very busy recently but I'm so looking forward to that conversation!

[@ronniemouser1020]

That would be super interesting!

[@DrewSpencer]

Oh man that is exciting to imagine!

[@mjlotus]

Elon and Jordan ... that has to happen!

[@claudiap.6838]

I have yet to watch this episode. Did Jordan mentioned that he is going to do an episode with Elon musk?

[@lounaannajung4454]

@@claudiap.6838 no. He tweeted Elon Musk a few weeks ago telling him he'd like to have him on the podcast and they both exchanged some* tweets

[@inthedeepstate]

I’ve been wondering for a while: what is it that makes him seem so genuine, trustworthy and likeable? I absolutely love and respect him, and I know millions of people do too, I wonder what seperates him from other great thinkers

[@gretelhance]

Annointed

[@mztwixed]

His humility and openess is the stage where he opens truths that have been masterfully thought out, yet graciously and eloquently delivered.

[@ravenzyblack]

Ayla Even- It could be that he comes from a place of truly wanting to help people. He has fame and fortune but is still just a humble man. He is quick to point out his flaws yet looks for the good in every situation. He’s not as nihilistic as the others, so he can bring hope to those in desperate need. It’s easy to be negative all the time and make excuses. It is harder to consciously wake up each day to make the world a little bit better, than it was the day before.

[@jzolli]

Such amazing mutual respect, humor, honesty, and wisdom in this conversation. Really enjoyable....

[@Barbara-zo6pq]

So refreshing to hear a man of wisdom and humility speak of the gift he has been given without arrogance.

[@joshnic6639]

The story around 31:30 almost made me cry. I’m a divorced 41 year old man...I should be cynical enough for that story not to bother me.

[@adampindell]

Glad that it still does 😉

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

I am 53, should be cynical too... yet felt the same way.

[@joshnic6639]

@@StrategicWealthLLC So...is it too late to find love after 40 as a man, in your opinion?

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

@@joshnic6639 - For any destination, there is always a first step. Love after 40 is certainly a reasonable destination... even if one can acknowledge it is a more difficult journey. Maybe the man that takes that challenge on as his responsibility... gets the girl that won the superlative for having the best legs. Best wishes.

[@mztwixed]

You're never too old to feel love/pain. We are blessed you are not that far gone in the cynical dept. God bless you, Osh Ick.