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[@blacksugarpill]

The whole gift thing irritates me so much. You wouldn't go up to some stranger who you see is giving a gift to their friend and be like "oh well...they got a gift...can I get a gift too?" Common sense isn't common with such people.

[@TimeCodeMechanics]

Actually, I think I might try this. "Hey, um... you gave that guy a gift, soooo..." 😆

[@GrippyGoth]

I think it bleeds from the school mentality of "you've got to bring enough for everyone or you can't share with anyone", because I remember being in grade school and if you gave something to a friend you had to have enough for the whole class or it "wasn't fair" well that's life, lol. Not everybody gets things just for existing, and people take advantage of that mentality, unfortunately...

[@TheWilderCat]

This is something people do at six years old.

[@fandomfan2800]

I love the way you draw!

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

GIFTS ARE NOT THE SAME AS COMMISSIONS OH MY GOD. Some people. They always confuse requests, commissions, trades, and gifts, ugh

[@Twist3dDisast3r]

Yup all the time

[@PlebNC]

To be fair, it's terminology that is only used by professional artists and some of the terms aren't particularly intuitive. Speaking of which, what's the distinction between a request and a gift? That a gift is created by the artist without being asked to and given away for free and a request is the same but a commissioner has asked (*cough* begged *cough*) for it to be made for free?

[@-kiwiflower3783]

PlebNC yep

[@oleaho4027]

Exactly. *basically only beginners to art programs and commissions*

[@sayflower1855]

Request - Art that was suggested by someone Trades - You draw something for someone and that same person draws you something Gift - You do art for free to someone else as a form of apreciation Comissions- You do art for a certain price for someone

[@marshmallowmountains4636]

My mom commissioned me and she was super friendly and great about it. But when I reminded her how much it was (it was earrings so I asked in person as I gave them to her), my family was around me and they later chastised me for making her pay...They said stuff like, "She's your mom. Give to her for free!" "I can't believe you would make her pay for that!" Um, no. Just because you're related to me or are my friend doesn't mean you will get free jewelry or sculptures from me whenever you want it. If I want to give something away as a gift, that's my right to do with my skill and materials/time, but I can also just tell you no. And the best part is my mom actually said in the same text message she asked me for the earrings, "Don't worry, I'll pay you for it. How much will it be?"

[@mollysministuff]

Personally, I would never demand a close relative to pay for something I made (I make earrings and sculptures too! :) ). But if they're willing and want to, I don't think you should be criticized for having her pay.

[@IIIGioGioStarIII]

For me, if it's for a birthday present or something along those li bvb es, I'm fine with doing it for free to s family member. If not, they are paying (although at a discount from me)

[@deadaccount5893]

I would give my mom free art, my mom she’s nice. My brother, I’ll make him pay, I can’t trust him with me art.

[@expertclown8020]

I would give my family stuff for free, just my way. But if they pay, then yeah, it's business. You're doing your job.

[@2Btoobee]

When I finished college (bachelor of science in architecture), our relatives just expected me that I draw them their vacation house for free (these relatives are those show-off people who only visit us during holidays and talk about themselves and their cars and trips to other countries), they already gave me the size of the land and everything but lol, I'm never gonna do that shyt XD (sadly even my parents encourages them since they're a bit of a kiss-ass). (But I'm currently working on my grandparents mausoleum for free because its just small and simple and I love them)

[@linlupin]

A few years ago I've seen an artist have a potential commissioner tell them to kill themselves because their $5 emergency commissions was still too high. It's just like, you don't deserve to be on the internet.

[@tdstudios7097]

Linlupin I've seen this happened to

[@Tamaki742]

IT'S LITERALLY 5 DOLLAR *EMERGENCY* COMMISSION. IS THAT REALLY WORTH BEING A DICK OVER?

[@rach3092]

Linlupin if 5$ is too high, they shouldn’t be on DA in the first place!!! That makes me so mad 😠 lol

[@Hailz12211]

For 5$ i would buy so many 😂

[@cartoonycanine1606]

One artist I knew got a message from some kid asking for art. They said they could link them to commissions, but this kid asked why he couldn't have it for free. They explained it took time and effort when they could be doing other work for school and such. The kid then continued to guilt trip them, saying that his brother was dying of lung cancer and wanted art from her to make him feel better. When she said she was sorry to hear that his brother was so ill, but refused to draw art for free and suggested that other artists may be taking requests and to have a look around, he said: 'IF MY BROTHER DIES, IT'S YOUR FAULT. YOU KILLED HIM." And when I heard about this, it disgusted me that someone would use that as a way to scrounge for free art.

[@Zoey587]

CartoonyCanine That’s like the most common guilt trip I see it doesn’t even phase me

[@Tamaki742]

... Y'know, my Mom died from cancer and that kid just rubbed me the extremely wrong way. While I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone, karma is a mean bitch if that kid actually has a brother.

[@notmary1119]

CartoonyCanine is that Chaos? The story sounds familiar XD

[@Tamaki742]

GiveMe Love Nah that kid who msged chaos used the excuse of their dad having cancer, which is always what made me mad.

[@notmary1119]

Tamaki742 ohhh thx

[@zens9669]

That ending actually TRIGGERED me. And I'm not even joking. Who in their right mind has the audacity to tell you to draw them something so degrading, when they don't know who you are or your background and what you were going through to need that money... like, what?? And then the people that have the nerve to try to go all cheapskate and belittling a certain when someone's going through an actual crisis. Have a heart, people. I'm sorry. It takes a lot to get me mad but that... No. NO.

[@Jajuan44]

I mean it's kinda funny.

[@marblelemonade76]

I see your profile picture... No objection to that.

[@daphnia9664]

same, no sane person treats someone like that

[@nopunupa]

"You wanted money?" Has happened me to me to many times that it honestly confuses me. Of course I want paid! What did you expect?! And that's why I haven't had a commision yet lol

[@MAGAMAN]

"And that's why I haven't had a commision yet lol" Or maybe you just suck.

[@BlightfulProductions]

MAGA MAN or maybe he's just cautious because there _are_ scammers out there.

[@nopunupa]

TheBlightfulGamer Ah thank you but I'm not worried about it, I've had plenty of requests and a few art trades (3 this month) I know I still have a lot to improve but I also know that I do not "suck" if people are asking for trades and requests I must be doing something right with my art.

[@nopunupa]

EmilyPorterOfficial Lol thanks 🤗

[@nopunupa]

Mossstep For me it's college lol but relatable still

[@Pastelmonstaa]

Anyone that thinks they own any artist can COME CATCH ME OUTSIDE.

[@break_the_galaxy]

HOW BOUT THAT But true, very true. XD

[@paintbox3011]

How bout that

[@Miss_Dante]

I have physically dragged away people asking for free art (annoyingly and repeatedly) at one of my friend's booths at comicon. You. Will. Pay. Or. LEAVE. As an artist and customer service working myself I am really upset when you are not paid for what you're doing. There are plenty of places to beg for free art. Gaia online has a free art area! RESPECT ARTISTS. Love the video!!!

[@meaganlindson9030]

Dear god, Gaia Online... Haven't been there in a while.. I wonder how that hell hole has been doing, lately. Last I was there, ZoMG was removed, and the market went to shit. Don't really care enough to do a password reset to see for myself, but an interesting thought to ponder.

[@gokaichibisu]

that YCH story, absolutely disgusting. Good on you for turning them down, I have to wonder what would make anyone ever think its okay to ask for something like that. I mean I get it may have just been a troll but that doesn't make any less disgusting.

[@studiopapa5874]

Anal beads

[@RWAsur]

There are kinky people out there into that stuff. But asking a 'random' artist who never drew that stuff before to do so, and in a humiliating way, without asking if it was something they could have... for cheap? Please. Extremely rude.

[@moved3495]

yes, scammers can art people

[@Wildcard71]

That means what?

[@bread1882]

People can art scammers

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

Funerals are expensive. And the industry is predatory. And people who just wait for emergency pricing also sound fairly predatory.

[@Lundy.Fastnet.Irish_Sea]

Sebastian Sean Crow aren't they literally waiting for something bad to happen to people just so they can get things cheap? "Oh, I'm gonna wish until someone's family die/someone loses their job/someone's family got sick/whatever and then I'll get a discount". That's.... Fucked up.

[@Pipkiablo]

There's a reason I told my family that I just want my body to be put in a refrigerator box and dropped in a random hole and if they embalm me, I'm haunting them.

[@sixrabbits3972]

It's disgusting when people try to take advantage of artists when they are in a desperate situation. I've had a similar experience to your last story, it just makes you feel so gross and violated... it's like these people don't even regard the artist as a person. It's dehumanizing in a way. Good on you for sticking to your guns!

[@iexistprobably6728]

I really like the mermaids you drew, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone do a mermaid based on cola before

[@Quantablos]

I exist probably | She’s actually Orange Coffee~

[@Twist3dDisast3r]

eheh thank you but she is supposed to be orange coffee

[@iexistprobably6728]

Oh, sorry. I thought that the drink was cola :o)

[@unluckyomens370]

“Throw money at me I’ll totally do it” words to live by

[@AleTitan]

I've seen a screenshot floating around of a guy admitting to the artist that he was going to not pay her and offer a KZbin shoutout instead.

[@gayclownenthusiast2762]

*"F O R E X P O S U R E"*

[@cherylmoore640]

what in the hell?

[@idontwantahandlebutok]

I bet the person who was going to "Shoutout" had at least 5 subs

[@giorgiofoti1782]

Well if they are a big youtuber, that kind of exposure is good for the artist. But if you are gonna tell your 700 subs about how I draw well instead of paying, FUCK OFF

[@JadeSim]

Giorgio Foti even then, it's pretty shit it it's a big KZbinr say they'll pay through exposure >_> If they're big, they'll definitely have the money to pay them.

[@matmeg6198]

I think a big problem with selling commissions on deviant and places like that is that a lot of the people are young kids. They don’t understand the value of work and of money because when they want something their parents just pull out a credit card. I think kids need to be taught at a younger age the value of work, especially art because people often don’t recognize the work that goes into it.

[@JuggalogoJackerbox]

This is why I'm worrying about doing commissions when I get my deviantart back

[@AliPyro]

I'm not complrtley sure if this counts as a scam, but it was really shitty. Okay so, I make fursuits and fursuit parts. I never really get commissions so I get kinda loose in terms of shipping costs, like I'll often wait for the person to pay shipping as long as they pay the cost for the part. This one person commissioned me on Etsy for a pair of feetpaws and they lived in like, Iran or something, and I said from the beginning "Hey you have to pay a little more for shipping, is that okay?" And they said yes. I asked multiple times, making it clear as day thoughout the process if you can pay extra and they kept saying "Yeah I can pay extra" and the moment comes, I make a beautiful pair of feetpaws I went to the post office to check how much it would cost to send, I told them the price and they said "Oh I can't pay for shipping." . . . . EXCUSE ME?? I messaged them more asking them why they said they could pay when they couldn't and no response. Well I guess someone else gets the feetpaws. I no longer do commissions with anyone outside the U.S. now unless I know them and I know they'll pay extra.

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

I do 5% down payment but I don’t think I could go into commissions without any payment at all first. It’s like when you go to Walmart, you can’t take home your groceries until after you’ve paid for them.

[@abbeyh]

Lotus Galaxy ikr😂

[@xxemii5679]

*Sad, but true-* I honestly hate the fact that "scamming" is an actual part of the artist community ;-; I've never done any commissions for people because I know the drama that can sometime come with doing them, ( not saying that commissions are bad things ), I'm just generally disappointed with how many instances there are in which either the requester scams the artist or the artist scams the requester ;-; it sucks

[@marshmallowmountains4636]

I know this was a whole two years ago but you can require people pay you either the total cost upfront or have them pay you a %50 non-refundable deposit (once you start) upfront. Edit: and when you use PayPal send them an invoice. Do not accept money from them any other way. That way it's harder for them to go back and say "Oh I accidentally sent that!" It's harder to accidentally accept an invoice.

[@Katiekilljoy09]

I crochet and someone commissioned me for a pair of Pokemon. They said "I can pay you Wednesday when I get paid." Okay no problem I crochet the Pokemon and send them pics, and they're all of a sudden "oh how much do you want wednesday." The full amount. It's 25$. For two plushies. Plus shipping please.

[@selenec2046]

Cadist Creations 25$ for not one, but TWO crocheted plushies!? That’s a steal of a deal (and honestly I think that’s underpriced) and I’m astounded that they fail to see that. Also, out of curiosity, do you have any art accounts where you post pictures of your crocheted creations? I haven’t met many artists who do that medium (if that’s the right term).

[@Katiekilljoy09]

Selene C I have a deviant art under Cadist Creations where I post every couple days. :) there's a bunch of stuff on there, if you're interested in looking.

[@selenec2046]

Cadist Creations Will do!

[@Elfboi]

This is off topic but hey, I really like listening to your stories while I draw and your voice keeps me company on most days. Thanks for all your hard work and best of luck with everything.

[@charleshills1408]

I got asked to do a drawing for a close friend and she wasn’t going to to pay me, but it was just a small photo and she was going to mention me in their profile about it. She didn’t do it so I asked her to pay me and she didn’t ;-;

[@Lydiachan22]

The illustrations today were honestly so beautiful! I love their colors and the effects on their tails. * v * Beautiful work as always Twisted!! Ohh those comments after you tell someone your commission price. :') I'm thankful I haven't been scammed in quite a few years, but have gotten a loooooot of "disappointed" comments after hearing the price. Some of my favorites are: "*Ugh*" "Oh sorry, I was under the impression it wasn't for real money." "Do artists really charge ___ for work?" "Aww man." //And considering I put a lot of time and effort into my services, I'm highly under-pricing myself and people are still commenting this. :'D

[@leira99k]

The funny thing is someone I know just had their art stolen by someone who commissioned it. They removed the watermark and posted it when it was sent to them for final approval.

[@yourmom-tr7gq]

I made art for someone on animo and then they told me they didn't want it and it pissed me off.

[@Sapphirerosewolf]

I'm so glad that at this point I've basically said no to points, because holy cow I don't want to deal with explaining point = penny. I"m also glad that that any customers I've had the changes they've wanted haven't been much. Also the one with someone wanting you to draw yourself. That's an instant no to me. HOLY SHIT! THat's gross and creepy and rude AF

[@Twist3dDisast3r]

I only do for people who don't have paypal

[@socialmediamoth2205]

that person from that YCH situation sounds frickin disgusting, seriously wtf is with that? i'm so glad you turned that person down cuz that's honestly sickening lovely art btw, super cute!

[@froggi.a.mushroom7465]

once I charged these 2 boys literally 10 cents for 2 drawings, but they said they don't have the money and they want it for free so I ripped the drawings up

[@Tamaki742]

Who The Hell Is AARON SAVAGEEE

[@casssimons9319]

Why did you destroy the art??

[@Silencer796]

@@casssimons9319 Because it’s their art not the boys

[@zapacunotres59]

I love your art, wish I had a job to afford it, and I don't understand why anyone would try to degrade you like that. Honestly, if I could, I'd go to every artist that do emergency co..issions and just give them $100 if I could. There was this one couple who were doing emergency art a few months back because they had a DAY to either pay rent or leave and the art was beautiful. They managed to get the money, but I do wish I could have helped them, all I am ever currently able to do is encourage people. Anyways I'm glad everything worked out. :)

[@datpony101]

I'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARDS TO THIS SO MUCH- LITERALLY WATCHING/LISTENING TO IT WHILE I WALK HOME- (your videos are always the highlight of my day ^^)

[@Twist3dDisast3r]

Thank you

[@sweetly.artistic687]

Yeah I dun goofed on one of my first commissions. It was a “friend” (who is also an artists) who asked me like “hey could you draw 4 characters” and I was like sure pick a price. Than she said 8 flippin dollars. For 4 full body characters. Now my art is no where near good or perfect lol but 8 dollars! I didn’t know what my commissions were worth and I also had a horrible opinion of my art lol. So I asked for 10 she said ok. I thought well she’s a friend it’s ok... (it’s not! Anyone commissioning do not let people use you lol) and she never payed me my 10 dollars but she has pictures of all of them (another mistake) I don’t do constant commissions (like I did my 3 yesterday lol I’m a huge newb) but that was the first lol. so don’t let people see the art before your payed or price yourself extremely low cause they’re a “friend.” And I can promise you after countless attempts to get the money at school it has not worked lol. I did a commission for a friend yesterday with 3 characters and a background and she gave me 30$ while I think that’s a little pricey lol cause I still don’t really love my art. I realize 8 dollars is just not enough. So really look at your art and found out a price you’re comfortable with.

[@UnfortunatelySunny]

An easy way to actually fix the points problem is to just have the value of them in the description of the post. People usually just have something like 100pts=1$

[@cheatexp]

okay so like this is a serious video but I love that your pencil tool is called "god sket" and i don't know why...

[@Twist3dDisast3r]

Lol its ok im happy someone noticed

[@elliotd.215]

I just discovered this video and holy crap- As an artist who is JUST getting okay with my own art to the point of doing commissions and everything- this TERRIFiES ME! On the last story about the inflation kink thing- when I was 13-14 years old, I was doing requests on DA and I was desperate for just ANY ideas, ANY way to get better.. the first few were awesome! Mermaids or pirates or a Gemsona in this super cool fighting stance! Heck yea! Then I had a 35 year old man PM me... and asked me... for the male counterparts of the power puff girls... force-feeding the power puff girls.. to the point of being huge... I panicked and deleted my account because he’d harass me non-stop about doing really disgusting works, when my account explicitly said I was only a kid... to this day, I flinch away from requests

[@broadwayaddict6665]

That’s horrible! Honestly, I’ve abandoned deviantart as a platform. Too many creeps!

[@JuliaNightmare]

Stuff like that is why I'm cautious about opening my poetry commissions (and those are probably going to be dirt cheap at first). It is hard to trust people online sometimes.

[@mango464]

I can't wait till I have PayPal so I can actually pay People who are doing Emergency commissions :D I've seen really bad emergency commissions where people need money because there at the point of living in one room at their friend's house

[@ravenpotter3]

This is really helpful, in the future I plan on doing commissions for fun (rn I only can do art requests cause I need to wait like 3 more years until I can get a PayPal) it's important to learn about how scammers scam to make sure that it doesn't happen to you :) I don't mind only being about to do art request right now because it's good practice for art and stuff.

[@marshmallowmountains4636]

On DA I think they might have the option to send the money to a bank account instead of PayPal. Just use the commission widget and have them pay through the widget (if they pay through the widget, you can change the points into real money). I might be wrong about the bank thing, though. I dunno.

[@jillandjack7631]

I have to wait four years to get a bank account ;~;

[@TimeCodeMechanics]

"They didn't pay you." "Yea... they're my friend.... that's why it's a gift." OMG! 😆😆😆

[@shunuuu]

just say "20 dollars / 2000 points" to make things easier and if they give you 20 points you can tell them to read the post again. kinda just to make things easier for you and for other people who are new to the system.

[@Sam-bm6yf]

Just be careful out there folks!

[@Parziivale]

I know you said you were waiting on this because you see it a lot on youtube, but it's always interesting to hear another person's expierences with that. That story about the commissioner with your persona is honestly horrifying, I'm so sorry that happened! But I'm glad you have a system that works for you now!

[@dragonscout79]

Can i just say I absolutely love listening to your storytime and advice videos. I usually put them on when I'm working in the office, I just adore the calm voice and interesting information/stories that come with it!

[@tdstudios7097]

DragonSpaceDoodler thank you so much that's so flattering.

[@Chiffawndue]

I honestly hate scammers. Both artists and commissionees (or whatever the word is lol). I know no one whats to hear this little story, but yeah. Here we go: A close friend of mine commissioned me for *HIS* friend, and since I'd known him for a few years, I was like: "Okay, you can pay me soon." So I went ahead and did the piece within 3 hours. It was just a casual two characters, shaded, no background. I gave it to him, and two months later..no pay. I ask him about it and he said: "I get paid next Friday." So okay..I wait. Nothing in my paypal and keep in mind that he's had the email linked to my account to pay me... So he kept showing me commissions that he had to pay up for, and I finally snapped and told him that he was supposed to pay me and that he never did.....So I just stopped talking to him, and I never do commissions without being paid upfront. Unless of course, it's a close friend whom I KNOW is going to pay within a week or so.

[@nevadash]

Tip: tell them the price before you do the commission, it takes less time and doesn't waste your art

[@karisaysthings]

"My parents are dying but if you give me your art for free, it'll make me happy"... Damn. That's some life priority right there. LOL.

[@Foxfire-chan]

That’s horrible that artists can be treated as lesser by their clients. The lack of respect at times that you mentioned really hit me.

[@senpieloven]

I just have to point this out, just cause it made me laugh so hard. Around 16:15, and you were drawing her chest, the way you pronounced nesetaties, made me think you said "ness-i-titties" and the timing was just too perfect

[@mx.menacing]

Tip: Write the value in points. If you have an adoptable up for 20 dollars write either: $20 = 2000 points (or if you choose to use 1600 points instead) Or $1 = 100 points (or if you choose to use 80 points instead)

[@SSZaris]

I could never receive a piece of art from someone and be happy looking at it each day knowing that I scammed/stole it from someone. That shit would just eat away at me from the inside.

[@twatcentral564]

13:13 I love how the color reference is a cup of coffee

[@wpgngaming-videos888]

I hear you on that! I have a trusted commissioner list and I allot them a "credit" balance I keep tabs on via google docs, and they have a week to pay off the balance, but they can use as much of that credit balance as they like, because they order consistently, and ALWAYS pay off their tab.

[@dragdramane]

I’ve been scammed once, I think the best thing to do is tell beginners the signs so they know what to look out for. While they do change from person to person it’s still something to be aware of. My best tip is if the mode of conversation you’re using shows when they’ve checked your message, see how long it takes them to respond. If it’s more than a day, I’d skip the commission. Another one is when you’re talking with someone and they just drop the conversation and then start it up again as though you didn’t ask them something last message. If they’ll randomly drop a conversation where money isn’t involved, what’s to stop when it is. But that’s just from my own experience.

[@OnionFairy99]

As much as hearing these stories breaks my heart, I find them really helpful. Not only just as an artist, but also as a *buyer*. As someone a bit new to commissioning people, I am definitely learning about what alarms people and how to avoid being a major jerk to them accidentally. I'm always freaking nervous that i'm being rude or not doing it right, so I'm glad I'm hearing the do's and don't's of this~ Great video as always~!

[@Spartathekitten]

I'm so grateful I was able to skip over all this sort of stuff by coming in a bit later, and having experienced artists to follow example from. I can't imagine people pulling the kind of shit you talked about, and I'm super happy your in a good enough place now to share your stories, and act as a speaker of caution to younger artists who are at high risk of falling for scams. I knew there were bad people out there, but god damn! That YCH story- what the hell?

[@jess-jl5mq]

Imagine bad customers asking work from bad commissioners. The world would be a better place

[@killiancreation5540]

I know the feels of the emergency commissions thing. I'm probably gonna have to do the same thing soon, my grandfather recently passed away, and he was literally paying for everything I needed in my life. Food, the bills, water, everything. And i'm completely lost without him. It doesn't help that his son who hasn't even spoken to him in 25+ years is now trying to take everything I have left of him from me, including my home. Money brings out the absolute worst in people.

[@alixr3120]

I’ve been waiting for this!! Amazing as always!

[@IIVIIadFaction]

This makes me nervous to do commissions, I usually ask for half before I start and half after its finished.

[@taja1868]

Thank you so so much for posting your stories, it helped me to catch that someone was trying to scam me on one of my first commissions. I owe you one. :3

[@StrawberryNova]

First things first: Your art is freaking amazing. I love watching your stuff and you've been one of my biggest inspirations on here, ngl. Anyway, I can't believe how awful some people are. These videos of yours are really helpful to people like me who are starting out and considering doing commissions. It's good to know what kinds of things may happen and what to watch out for. I'm so sorry people have done you that way - especially that last story, just what a horrendous person! But thank you for making your videos like these. Seriously, they're greatly helpful and eye opening.

[@venus_belle_8293]

Motivational and inspirational messages coming from one of the artists I've admired for some time. Love you, Michie~~~

[@nattyart124]

I am so surprised you aren't even more popular! You post every Wesnday, and they are really good lengths, I wish more people would watch you! You are so awesome!

[@autumnthemasterofjokes2148]

I love your art! It is truly amazing! Good job! Don't let *IDIOTS* get to you... I don't do commissions because of tracing/stealing a piece, but if I am just on a bench drawing people will try to make me draw them for free... But don't let people like that get you down!

[@MaliceStryker]

Personally I feel like the safest bet is taking half payment upfront, and then the other half upon completion. That way you find out right off the bat if they intend on actually paying you, and even if they bail on paying for the completed piece, you at least made something for your troubles. I never really liked the idea of paying the whole price upfront, because I've commissioned an artist like that and after paying, I never received my art and after waiting a few extra weeks to give them the benefit of the doubt, they just disappeared. @_@ It just seems like paying half now, half later is the best way to avoid abuse/scamming by either party.

[@silassketches6741]

I’m an artist as well and I have had people want a giant rendered thing for 5 bucks and they said even that price was high. It’s so freaking stupid

[@excessiveirony651]

“That might sound like a lot to some people...” I don’t understand! When you’re commissioning an artist, that’s their time and resources and talent. Artists deserve so much better 😭

[@oliviathedoodlebug3295]

I think you make some excellent points in your video about the shitty people you have to deal with when doing commissions. I opened commissions to my followers online recently and I had the deal with a 12 year old who didn't seem to understand that art commissions are items being sold, not things to bargain for. When she finally agreed to pay me, I sent her the PayPal request for the payment and she then proceeded to ignore it and demanded to see the finished product. When I told her I had to be paid first, she got angry at me and then claimed that she paid it (She didn't, to nobody's surprise) and asked for the finished piece again. This continued on for about a week until I eventually got so fed up with her trying to weasel her way out of paying, I just said I wouldn't do the commission anymore. She asked me for a refund that I couldn't give because she never paid me and she is now blocked from my art account because I don't have time for people trying to get free art out of me when I specifically state that I do commissions, not requests 90% of the time. okay, rant over, I hope everyone doing commissions in this comment section has a wonderful customer and gets paid fairly for their art

[@SofieLoaf]

And then there's people who ask you to draw for them, then call you selfish when you say you don't do requests

[@isasa29]

Omg! I’ve just discovered your videos and I like them so much!!! Keep drawing because you are so so good!!!

[@Melodemonica]

I honestly love the drawings you did in this video!!!!!!!! They look so cool!!!!!

[@miyarikku3086]

It's like commissioners don't actually know what a commission is sometimes.

[@SamanthaRodriguez-jr2gb]

I just found you yesterday but i am already in love with your channel. You have awsome storytimes and you are just so kewwwwl.

[@EeveeHawkFan]

I love how you grabbed the color palette, I never thought of doing that and I'll def think into it next time I'm designing a character! As for the content itself...yikes. Its exactly why I'm hesitant to do commissions, I've always underpriced myself (less than a single dollar) and now I'm far more confident in my art skill and want to raise my prices.. but I know some people will find my stuff too expensive so I just.. don't do it lmao.

[@esmeealexander6113]

Your story times are perfect to listen to while drawing

[@bonestheartist]

Michie, I don't know if you'll ever see this, but you're such an inspiration to me. I appreciate you being on KZbin and DeviantArt, and I absolutely adore your art. Thank you, for being awesome. Keep on keeping on, Michie.

[@qpauline100]

I just found you channel, it's amazing! Keep up the amazing work!

[@sami_the_neko2475]

Bruh thank you for giving me ideas to set up rules for when i do start wanting to do commissions Sooner or later I WILL commission you and i can understand the whole trust thing so when i do i'll try my best to show you i'll pay (bc I would feel like shit if i ended up fucking you over, cuz i mean, you're amazing??) But yeah, thank you for this! Love your vids!

[@dumbiev3263]

"Throw money at me, and I'll do it!" Lmao

[@andten100]

Piece of advice: always ask for budget first

[@Robin-sp2lj]

That last one really put me in shock, I'm sorry that had happened to you :(

[@cheshirecat3428]

Could you make a video talking about online artists that inspire you or that you watch/are a fan of? Also this video is super personal and I'm grateful you made it, things like EDs shouldn't only be recognised for their stereotypes, and people need to be more aware of these kinds of issues

[@paigecritchlow]

Preach! I had to learn the hard way to make people pay half up front for commissions! I've had a lot of people back out or ghost me mid project, despite the fact that I make it very clear what it will cost before I start any work. I've also had the issue of having to tell people no when they ask for ludicrous changes to art that is finished, things that could have easily been done during the sketch phase. Most of my experiences have been good, but the few bad apples always get my blood to boil.

[@strawberrymintz]

"You wanted money?" Or "I thought it was a gift" God i hate those types of people who do that.

[@dominantshxrk4649]

Amazing video! Also your drawing is beautiful omg!

[@marlaparraguirre277]

I honestly watch all your horror stories and commission stuff to take notes for my own stuff. Like, I don't do paid commission yet, but when I do. I'll be ready for it. xD

[@KATILOVESANIME95]

i can totally relate to all of this..and im a very small artist who started showcasing my art on the internet recently... ppl can be just...special

[@gianttol8024]

I’m sending good vibes your way man, I hope that last story never happens (the 20 dollar mean person one)

[@TheBoundFenrir]

I know it's not the subject of the video, but I really love your art that's providing the background video!

[@Cheshiregrinn91]

When I can tell someone is having an emergency commission because the prices are just way too low for their artistic skills or whatever I usually just tip them like 100% or something.

[@GhoulishDryad]

I really love your mocha mermaid!

[@Twist3dDisast3r]

Thank you!!

[@_ama__]

I never got to the point where i wanted to sell my art because id hear and read all these stories of people ripping the artist off and i just thought "its not worth it".

[@deleijon3415]

I work has an artisan making lamp shades and lamps, and we always ask for at least third up front and the rest want they come to get the finished product. We've been doing this for 30 years so it's completely normal to ask money up front for a service.

[@ReligiousFanboy]

im very glad you guys are okay

[@LAngel2REAL]

I used to do requests all the time. It made me happy that people liked my work enough to want me to draw for them. I was like 13/14 and my art was crap. But because of the requests, I drew so much that my style steadily improved. I've never opened commissions before so I don't have these sort of stories but I do remember a few people I did requests for. I went to their account and their favorites was just full of requests of the characters they asked me to draw.

[@FaffuArt]

Thank you for telling your story!

[@anorangetictac6110]

I do characters for this RP/game I’m doing where these random people will enter I draw their characters and they play, (I enjoy it) but sometimes they will completely take advantage of that, they’ll complain if their character isn’t drawn in every scene, they’ll want a new redesign every week, it sucks but we all manage 😅. Love your art and work, Keep it up!!! 😄

[@QUEENOBSCURE]

This is why I always pay in full! I tell artist I commission “ I know half now and rest later is your Policy , but can pay in full now?” Some say no, So I do their terms as I know I’ll not screw them, but am sure one day they will be.

[@colegolden9855]

Wait why don't they ask for your LOWEST PRICE!?!?!?