You ONLY Win Draft Based on Who YOU Are, NOT the Game! - Winning Draft - League of Legends

[@christianlillelund2239]

not the intro we deserve but the intro we need

[@wanderingwanderer7559]

many feelings about this intro all of them sexual

[@mingxungoh5630]

That intro had more effort and taught put into it then all the esports talks videos. Good stuff man.

[@jiliel7887]

when he rubbed it on his gums lmao, must be some good shit

[@TheRagingWade]

Done it. Can confirm. Watermelon Ice better than crack cocaine.

[@Megaloblocks]

Wtf this is the best Intro so far and i have seen many. Even if you aren't interested in the Product at all its free Thron entertainment! :D

[@cuchalopa]

wtf is that product anyway?

[@sidchuownz]

imagine having such a bomb intro that nobody talks about the rest of the video contents.

[@Timuhh1]

Holy shit ... gamersupps dont pay you enough :D

[@R4vel]

I have no words for that intro..

[@ifi5362]

this intro too good

[@scouthatesrainbows]

6:25-6:38 Thorin’s soul briefly leaves the body, returning after an insightful journey into the spiritual realm

[@TheBoomace]

i thought i was drunk or something

[@jackphillips6742]

Thorin is lucky that his sponsor is fire enough to warrant that intro

[@inigorodriguez8299]

it is befitting that the Internet Historian and the Esports Historian have a similar vibe when it comes to ads, well done.

[@joaobrito2653]

ls talks about draft in a way where his thought make sense if all players are all equally good at the game and all play their draft optimally. draft isnt the only deciding factor though. there was the 100 t vs ggs fiesta where ggs had a massive draft advantage and they still struggled to end because their players sucked

[@josefehling1134]

I get why you perceive it that way but he also states that champions like renekton can be a tool for better teams to defeat weaker teams. Most of the times he talks about draft in the sense that a different comb would help the team with the weaker players to get an edge over the other team and the combs he talks about aren't that difficult to execute for players on pro lvl. The next thing that goes into it is that he doesn't like how players play out the lane and the mistakes they make on a micro and macro lvl of fundamentals. Wich he also stated in context to how a draft should work and why teams aren't able to get better results, but he doesn't repeat himself so it is hard to find those clips of him stating those things.

[@raydza]

The broadstroke MMA analogy you were using PERFECTLY described Usman/GSP, they’re so well rounded and intelligent in their game plans

[@paper_man]

23mins of one of the best insights about league i've seen in a while and everyone in chat talking about the intro, yeah, that's league community.

[@rangered_64]

Lemme be of the first then. Thorin is actually right, there's a vid where LS and Nemesis did a tier list for the best champs for the meta, and most of them I disagree with, because they mostly brush over the synergy between certain champs with others, like the ADC section of the vid, most of the good champs ended up being low.

[@Tjosenn]

Very insightful and thought provoking, i guess the rest of the video was good too

[@DollofFate]

that intro is hilarious. well done thorin

[@AdamHamdan1]

I don't even know anything about League. Just came here for the intro

[@JetHawk222]

Well this intro is certainly getting replayed an unhealthy amount of times.

[@supermightyllama]

I don't know how much GamerSupps is paying Thorin, but he deserves a raise. These intros are too good. These sponsor ads are the only ones I don't skip from any content creator.

[@Gravemaker9036]

Think the most recent examples i can think of to really show what Thorin was talking about was game one of C9 vs TL for spring finals 2021. TL had urgot and supposedly other great picks and I remember a lot of the casters and even LS thinking that TL won draft. Didn't matter TL ended up get thrashed game 1. I also remember for I think game 4 Jensen picked Sylas and the C9 players were so happy about it. They basically baited TL into the Sylas. Really just shows there really is more to the "They won draft" phrase. Back in the day when impact was still with TL. If impact got Shen it would usually end up a win for TL. Didnt really matter what the other team drafted nor what the rest of TL drafted. Impact on shen usually meant a win. In those games i would definitely call it a TL won draft with just one champ.

[@CK-nh7sv]

Everyone (very much including LS) is aware of the fact that winning draft isn't the same as winning the game. You don't even need to play perfectly, you just need to be as good as your opponents. If you are worse than your opponents, a better draft won't win you the game but it might give you a chance to beat a better team. Even if they lose, they still had a better draft. And another, worse draft wouldn't have saved them. There are drafts which have certain win conditions (Like Nidalee, Renekton etc what Damwon did in MSI Finals had to hard win early) and their opponents need to prevent that win condition from becoming true. If they don't do that, the worse draft wins due to reaching their win conditions. LS proved in the scrims he and his friends did against T1 Academy that winning draft in the sense he uses that phrase is actually incredibly useful.

[@mxgoh1997]

Markz made very fantastic point abt this in 2017 after Freesm lost in grps again. And that is most fans like to blame to draft because its way easier to say they should have picked x instead of y, then to spend time and effort to think abt what goes on in each game, and how the team failed to execute on their drafts win conditions. In short fans are just dumb xD. So I'm finnaly glad that you debunked this stuff

[@alexanderschwarz242]

One point about Ls's way of thinking about draft that I think is not expandet upon in this video is, that he believes humans are capable of playing is type of drafts and style and thus they should draft in that way even if they are currently not skilled enogh to pull it off consistently because it is an overall higer level to play the game people should aim thowards. Its like if 20 years ago some NBA Coach came up with the idea, that they should shoot more threes because it is humanly possible to get the succes rate high enough where it is worth to go for. Somebody had to prove that it was possible to get an accuracy of around 40% reliably in order for people to start trowing more threes. Ls is saying: " here is what you have to prove to be possible to beat everybody else and force them to adapt."

[@joe_robloxgameing]

As a dota player/watcher I think the concept of "winning draft" comes from dota. In dota teams can 100% win draft because the heroes in dota 2 specifically counter winning conditions from other heroes with their own win conditions. Because of this it is a lot easier as a dota analyst to look at a draft before a game of dota and say, these heroes in combination with each other have an easier win condition than the other teams heroes and therefore the game is going to be easier for team A to win so therefore team A won the draft. In league of legends I have no idea but if you watch a dota tournament analysis after the end of every draft will tell you who they think won the draft and it is just generally really common.

[@gmnr1336]

So here’s the thing about the robot angle, he takes into account the players making mistakes, if you have no insurance policies in the game you have to play more like a robot aka the early game comps you have to play well. Look at the Renekton game perkz played, he flash stunned a ward and the game was over. I can agree with the premise that LS does not take into account team strength which is a missing avenue in his style of drafting, but it’s understandable, because a player can learn anything from game to game, a team’s “strength” can change from game to game sometimes. Look at how much better Fudge got, not even Fudge even, look at how many players got better over the split. If you reduced them to a single strategy, basing your draft off that seems, shortsighted.

[@gmnr1336]

Also, I think the concept drafting for comfort has been pretty much come under scrutiny. Before 2020, the only way people ever drafted was comfort. Whether or not it’s correct or not, I don’t know I’m a random. What I do know is that LS had a bunch of scrims against T1 academy, his players were ex-pro but the t1 academy players were challenger 1000 lp on korea, so very respectable players and noticeably better than LS’s players. One game, the enemy team picked Kalista and Irelia, and LS responded with Nasus support, and by all metrics, the enemy could NOT play the game. Even if that was the best irelia and the best kalista, they literally, I don’t think at least, do anything. So drafting is a very complicated concept indeed, one that fascinates me a lot.

[@Braw92]

Yeah, this counter argument has been made over and over, yet the "they're not robots" meme keeps being repeated.

[@abaanahmed7195]

only ad i had to replay

[@TheRagingWade]

The video editing slip up at 6:30ish got me so confused for a second. I usually am tabbed out but I unpaused then that happened and I thought I snorted too much GamerSupps.

[@nikolakrastev8880]

Why don't you make the ads on TV?

[@Riokaii]

Its not that player mistakes invalidate winning draft. WInning draft means you can make more mistakes and they are going to be less punishing. They mean you can win, while playing comparatively "worse" than your opponents. The comps add some aspect of "playing themselves".

[@Iukeeey]

It depends how much the players' mistakes impact the win condition. If a team builds a wombo comp that counters an enemy team's comp and the players miss their ults in the teamfights because they aren't used to playing those specific champions, what might be the "winning draft" in that context becomes the losing draft because the players didn't have the skillset or playstyles to execute that comp.

[@nakedSnæke]

@@Iukeeey If you constantly miss your ult in every teamfight, you are the worse team hence you should lose. But it's not the point. The point is win draft so you are more comfortable in game. Ultimately winning draft is not equal to winning the game, you have a game to play in the first place.

[@dooh]

omg Thorin 😂😂😂 GamerSupps made a great deal 👍

[@HeLLraiSa911]

that intro is just straight up unreasonable

[@MrBudquaza]

Incredible ad read. Perhaps the best of its kind

[@owen2.035]

When thorin is talking about taking away picks, it just reminds of that sk vs uol series. Uol kept banning lucian and graves every game and pick caitlyn for their ad so Forgiven was on trist. Forgiven lost all of his non caitlyn games in that series.

[@MissAllSundaee]

The creativity and funny of this intro. Mr. Shields never disappoints.

[@sleven8013]

Thorin entered Dad level of spoofs

[@reallifeweightloss932]

That fucking intro must even be good enough for reddit to not ban it

[@bikesnblades6737]

Well, if the whole gaming journalism thing doesn´t work out, you can still have a great future in marketing!

[@SapphireHeaven]

This is what peak promo of products looks like and it comes from Thorin!

[@mhtonheim]

Kareem analogy does not work i think. Result based analysis. It would be the same as saying a onetrick held rank 1 for the entire season so his champion must be the best and everyone should play it. Also i’m pretty sure LS has mentioned the robot thing many times saying people should go scaling because it is easier/less room for error

[@lolwunderman1660]

so best champs are point click champions because robots cant dodge point click skills... robot with skill the shot can hit another robot with 100% dodge ability? i think scaling is terrible with high skill shots. better team need built point click with prefable aoe damage

[@TheJodalorn]

I think this entire video highlights the beauty of league at it's very core. There IS a meta that's ever shifting but because of the human element of the game there is ALWAYS a way to play around it or break it.

[@LegendaryBilly]

Loved the MMA reference thorin, specially cause it was accurate

[@nikitamarynich1794]

Intros are getting better and better

[@user-yr9sf2yr3n]

U know, philosophical preparation, at least a bit, is something everybody should have, but no one does, and it puts you way above the regular content makers. Will elaborate on it a bit if it interests you (might be relevant positive feedback) or anyone else. What you're treating here is really easily generalizible, also. A "concept" only makes sense when you consider its determinate totality; taking an absolute away from its interior concreteness and trying to "glue" it back to any given arbitrary particular phenomena could almost be the most general definition of "dogma", and some very bad ones. Ure teaching some dialectics here, though. U begin with the abstract idea of what the "best draft" is; then you show all the determinate relations interior to that idea, making the concept concrete; then we can return to the simple idea of what's best, but understanding it is correspondent to those concrete interior relations you spoke about, which ends up being "whats best for a determinate team". If you only said the last part, as abstractly as the idea of an absolute best, it'd still be mediocre and not meaningful; your power is you know how to think and develop the concept, bringing it alive. I rly do appreciate it, mate, it's really soothing, since most content there is about league (or anything, really, even science and philophy) is simple and meager thoughts without depth, or mindless repetition. It's what makes LS interesting too, but I do think he is a bit too dogmatic and for sure less able to articulate the content and communicate it the way u make it. Congrats! Will keep following, thanks for the content. Btw, great intro and ads, as others said LOL

[@nokowinsidence9854]

He nailed the "draw the audience in part". I forgot why I clicked on the video while I watched Lol.

[@diogopadrao4118]

I think especially after Misfits drafting Akali, to use in their playstyle, just shows that draft is not everything.

[@rangered_64]

Also, having pros play with their flex picks, it is the best thing you could do in your team for at least 1 member if they're the carry

[@toffeeFairy]

This intro damn, has been long time since you had one that fire

[@esportsweapon6907]

Every time I see one of Thorins self made ads for Gamer Supps, I get closer to buying it. Get it...Selfmade....Closer. Okay. Im done.

[@Stephon9015]

I came for the content but stayed for the intro.

[@ugurcankarakas6554]

Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid -Albert Einstein

[@nightwing09x]

THE BEST AD I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE

[@discountstepbro60]

Slowly progressing from the esports historian into the.... uh.... Lord of Adds

[@liammcgartland3600]

bro i might be high as fuck but i lost my shit at this intro, nice work

[@kaychanpion8614]

I have no regrets in saying that I replayed that intro

[@Dfelder261]

R u spanking that water bottle? I gotta make a product so u can sponsor it. #legend

[@pancakeDoesThings19]

ok thorin im convinced , ill buy gamer supps

[@isaacbragg-gardiner2456]

I hope this intro gets posted as its own seperate video

[@kennystillalive7119]

I swriously want to know what's in gamer supps. This man has been putting out so many videos lateteöy I can't keep up. Where from does he get the energy to make them?

[@Mr-fe5ng]

I fucking hated LS casting Lck but as a personality and his stream I did appreciate it during playoffs and msi. I take a pinch of salt but I can appreciate his mastery.

[@kpal17]

best promo intro yet!

[@Andres9562]

I have purchased this product based solely on these intros and I'm not disappointed.

[@Raidenze]

I was not ready for this opening.

[@zero_wing_]

that intro was fucking based

[@H7Roba4]

1:16 SKIPPERINO

[@shoelesseagle]

thank god for this intro BANGER

[@karlloovali4531]

You should release a montage of your intros.

[@xhaffa5444]

I support Gamersupps if Gamersupps support Thorin.

[@itemtest1]

Basically play your own style of champions. But try to adapt them to the draft. Simple as that :)😊😉👍

[@rickroodbergen5957]

Just liking cuz of the intro's at this point. And im not ashamed

[@DanikonLUK]

Ls and his posse the only people that say “won draft”

[@TheVoltCasts]

I think most of these takes are great but I don't see why any of them go against what LS says, he always talks about coherence and he talks about the basic level of up play that most pros have for comps and champions to work, like he only talks about champions like Jayce/xerath and likewise champions about being champions that are hard to pilot

[@thatcherfreeman]

Literally clicked only for the intro

[@seangill2522]

This intro is a banger

[@Sparta_cus91]

love it anytime you go at tsm

[@crowvii5081]

AHAHA THORIN MADE ME laugh out loud i cant take it

[@xfrixor_2132]

Clicked to crusade for LS, ended up headbanging to random beatboxing.

[@mikelmrns4712]

where tf is catnamedmittens?

[@maximus8119]

Just finished the intro I’m sure the rest of the vid is great as always but no need today

[@LegendaryBilly]

We don’t deserve thorin

[@Akuiko]

That intro belongs on tiktok 💀😭

[@abdullapankhawala3814]

6:28 there is some video or something of that sort where what your saying dosent match your lip flaps. Anyways great video

[@dbzy_]

what an intro

[@bilboswaggens2975]

I came here for the intro

[@YuriYodie]

intro question mark

[@bradbrad090]

Hahahahahahaha what did I just watch.. next level intros mate!

[@mariobressler9001]

intro was lit

[@ramontavaresdacruz2256]

LS just talk about draft like all players are robots with the same capacity and League is just a simulator, the guy ignores that there are human beings playing the game lol

[@nakedSnæke]

You never watched LS for more than 10 minutes. Stop embarrasing yourself. According to him scaling drafts are the better option bc players are not robots. A good draft should give you comfortable winning conditions, strong champions against your opponents so that even though you make mistakes ingame, you are saved by your draft answering your opponent well.

[@MuunNii]

Haters will say he's lost it now

[@galarzasensei10]

Dr House is that you?

[@yaboku1686]

Ok this video tell me that Thorin does not understand what LS is saying.

[@AMVsUltimate]

This intro!!!! Legend

[@demondude15]

i like men now

[@shadowsdied]

this is gold

[@Adam-ie7dw]

I just come here for the intros now. The rest of the video isn't even close in quality.

[@simply_maple]

Thorin never fails in surprising us

[@MestoLV]

You are clearly my favorite tiktoker

[@GabeHernandezz]

youtube algorithmmmmmmm

[@farleydbear]

11:50 i dont see why this is worth mockery. seems like a smart idea to me. body sports do this all the time, even during real matches

[@Thooorin]

Great. If sports do it I guess it must be better then. Thanks for that insight. NFL is the biggest American sport so we should wear NFL body pads too.

[@farleydbear]

@@Thooorin what do you think about LS taking snapshots of matches and analyzing them, because thats basically the same thing. pausing a game and breaking down whats happening. league of legends doesnt have the luxury of rounds like csgo so this is the best we got. also, its a scrim, meant for improvement.

[@Iukeeey]

@@farleydbear there is no scenario in a professional game of League of Legends for a team to have a timeout and ask their coach for advice, so pausing a scrim in order to do so is illogical (if your aim is to practice for professional play) as well as disrespectful to the other team that has to stop playing mid-game and wait for them to finish their spontaneous coaching session.

[@farleydbear]

@@Iukeeey there is no scenario where you will need to lift 300kg off of the ground in handegg, so going to the gym to do that is illogical.

[@antarash1279]

what a waste.. left some on the thumb

[@OriginalRaveParty]

Drugs

[@charleston7717]

Hahahaha that intro