YMS: The Lion King (Part 1)

[@YMS]

Streaming some Silent Hill 4 on Twitch right now: www.Twitch.tv/AdumPlaze

[@fffiggg]

*smooch

[@taylorbarnett5350]

great video as always keep it up

[@redherring3701]

Good job!

[@freecreditreport.combaby]

the people at 19:29 are so stupid

[@boobootittleman7299]

Hell yea

[@houston-coley]

I took a class at Disney World last year learning to draw Simba, halfway through the artist said “we add eyebrows to our animal characters to make them more expressive…can you imagine if we made The Lion King with realistic animals that couldn’t emote or express? that would be crazy!” the saltiness from hand-drawn animators is unmatched

[@sweetcinnamonpnchkin]

I would like to shake that animator’s hand

[@Roseforever84]

Man, that sounds like an awesome class. Kind of jealous you got to do that, especially with a hand-drawn animator teaching it. I miss hand-drawn stuff so much.

[@laurendearnley9595]

Thats an old joke, that we get more emotional cues from animals like dogs that can use their "eyebrows" and so we can infer emotions.

[@Depth217]

I didn’t know they still did that class? Props to them!

[@BrandonPilcher]

Amazing that an employee could get away with calling the remake out at Disney World of all places.

[@MarcAlcatraz]

Scar singing a villain song to his army of hyenas is so unrealistic so it was a better idea to have him do slam poetry about beeper repair in a horribly lit cave instead

[@thatoneguychad420]

🤣🤣

[@thegentleartoffisticuffs6983]

It's not even a cave, just some rocky terrain that JON decides to inexplicably call a cave

[@alexandramenter4019]

"Slam poetry" BRUH I CANT

[@MF-lt8dz]

What about the hyenas goose stepping? I think that's pretty real

[@DaMaster012]

"Slam poetry sucks even when you're twenty years old and good at it." - Andrew Klavan

[@HC-cb4yp]

"I like keeping my skies simple because it's so rare to catch a beautiful sky." Probably the most anti-Hollywood, un-Hollywood idea in the history of industry-killing ideas. Stanley Kubrick: "I see 'realistic' every day of my life. When I go to the cinema, I'd like to experience something unique."

[@lixd3054]

True

[@ae5704]

Plus has he ever even been to Africa? It is filled with some of the most beautiful skies you'll ever see

[@HC-cb4yp]

@@ae5704 Not cost-effective to shoot in Africa... or anywhere outside a computer.

[@ae5704]

@@HC-cb4yp doesn't mean you can let the artists have fun and render some beautiful skies!

[@kristenyarbrough4287]

Also its insane that people can catch beautiful skies just buy going outside every once in a while and believe that beautiful skies are unrealistic

[@GREENWARRI0R]

"The human emotion in how the rocks tumble down" is one of the craziest things I've ever heard

[@its_elkku135]

Everything Everywhere All At Once actually pulls that off

[@ms.cartoonist9576]

Everything he says in interviews- especially that part about James' voice acting, GENUINELY sounds like what you write on a test when there's that one question you don't know dick about so you just keep talking and making stuff up in order to fill up space.

[@JesusChristMarie]

When you can honestly say that rocks have more emotion than the characters

[@rainbowmoon1461]

Yeah, just like how in nature documentaries, it’s the rocks that have all the emotions and not the animals. 😅

[@thatoneguychad420]

​@@its_elkku135that's a good movie. Enjoyed it alot.

[@aoifecaetan9832]

Absolutely obsessed with the fact that Surf’s Up did the “ground breaking camera movements” first. Surf’s Up fucking rules.

[@isaiahmoungey3193]

not only did they use the groundbreaking tech a decade prior, but they did it so much better. i remember even as a kid i was super impressed by how real the camera movements were. it doesn’t feel like the fancy 2019VR tech added anything to the movie at all.

[@jessehcreative]

Surf’s Up was AWESOME. Great movie. The DUDE is in it! THE DUDE! And Hades, and Napoleon Dynamite, and Sam Witwicky! Also, it gave me a better appreciation for surfing. And I LOVE penguins. /gush

[@shawklan27]

@@isaiahmoungey3193 yeah it was just typical buzzwords to hype up the r/movie crowd

[@troin3925]

@@jessehcreative Who’s the dude?

[@TheDonutMan3000]

I think you’re missing the point a bit. Surf‘s up used the camera movements to get motion capture data of the camera itself, because natural camera movement is hard to emulate. The movements were storyboarded beforehand and they’re using very bare bones animations for reference. Lion king basically had a complete virtual set. Instead of storyboarding everything, deciding on environments and background beforehand, they have the world completely built, so they can set up shots and storyboard everything just like they could if they were actually in the Serengeti. Corridor digital has some great videos on VR production. It’s a completely different work flow to traditional animation.

[@Lex-dw7ng]

"Kids don't like 2D animations, you know what they love? Documentaries." Jon at some point

[@cola98765]

I mean... to be fair I had very fun and calm memories relating to BBC docs.

[@alaksandutheexorkizein7634]

As a kid I loved documentaries

[@thehuman2cs715]

I mean kids do love documentaries but whatever this clusterfuck is it's not one lol

[@sthui2866]

documentaries are awesome til this day.

[@sarwatarannya8786]

Documentaries that presents facts whimsically and wonderfully, educating and entertaining at once: Epic CGI re-hash of a fun movie of expressive animals: Garbage

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

The lack of ear movement is horrendous. Scared cats, inquisitive cats, relaxed, etc. It's a major way that you can tell how a cat feels.

[@Galvatronover]

Animals emote just in different ways And with visual ques

[@lampini]

Right? How easy would it have been for simba to pull his ears back when he’s scared or shameful? They even did that in the original lion king

[@ggundercover3681]

@@Galvatronover and? it's a movie for our entertainment. the biggest gripe about it is that there is no fucking emotion. so all dialogue falls flat. at least show some creativity so people could give a crap by moving ears. what's the point of live action when it just looks bad

[@alice88wa]

Yeah. The brief clip of Aslan made me realize how lacking the ear movements were. Jesus, what a flustercluck.

[@magentasky234]

Ikr! I don't know how they can say felines look emotionless, have they ever seen a cat before?

[@Geck0GC]

Zazu in the remake is "oh it's Jon Oliver" Zazu in the original is "That's Rowan Atkinson?!?"

[@idongesitusen5764]

Oliver pretty much ripped his own performance apart on an episode of Last Week Tonight.

[@pvzgamer6029]

@@idongesitusen5764kinda based

[@nvfury13]

I recognized Rowan Atkinson’s voice instantly in the original, but that is because I *love* Blackadder.

[@skellytonium8160]

@@pvzgamer6029 Not really, a lot of people use self-deprecating humor as a cheap tactic to endear themselves to others or dodge criticism. It's false humility, nothing genuine about it. I'd much prefer if he was genuinely remorseful about his bad performance or openly confident in it, as long as it's honest.

[@HECKproductions]

zazu in the remake: "never heard of this guy but he is annoying and unfunny" zazu in the original: "holy crap it IS atkinson no wonder the performance is so good"

[@BigLadStudios]

Scar's such a good manipulator that he manipulated Jon Favreau into believing his plan was about the roar.

[@mehdimoussaoui1712]

hahaha dude has a 6 year old brain

[@vivalavalentina]

LMAO

[@JeanMarceaux]

Scar more like Jebaiter amirite

[@calyxsalad]

this is the best comment on this video

[@bozotheclown1142]

"Do the roar"

[@Loffeleif]

"A delayed Lion King 2019 review is eventually good, but a rushed Lion King 2019 review is forever bad" - Shigeru Miyamoto

[@thecinematicmind]

A Kimba moment

[@mrmeowsermoney]

Close enough

[@Bone8380]

"A delaye, a dela. A delayed gamne, a delaypb. Bad game design." ~ Shigeru Meat

[@JRennick27]

Better than the movie itself.

[@remiliascarletmybeloved]

“A rushed game will always be bad, a delayed game will also always be bad. I HATE MAKING VIDEO GAMES.” -Mario man

[@ThatOneGuy0006]

I feel awful for the artists who spent years of their lives making photorealistic landscapes and sets only for Disney to pretend like it was live action.

[@TheZigzagman]

They're tricking the audience into being less impressed by their hard work. It's very silly.

[@kristavaillancourt6313]

Lol!

[@fallenmango8420]

@@TheZigzagman Disney’s always done that. It’s not hard work by hundreds of artists, it’s “Disney magic.”

[@CloneLoli]

@@fallenmango8420 Yeah but at least to a certain extent the "Disney Magic" used to imply that Disney's staff were so hard-working they could make any story wondrous and amazing.

[@Mon-Ki]

Well tbf, it's not as if they're discrediting their work by saying it's live action. If anything, most people calling it live action probably consider it a compliment. (although I agree that it's not live action)

[@pattymelt5825]

"No father realistically loves his son" had me dying😂

[@NTMonsty]

"sImBa?"

[@rhysbaker2595]

​@@NTMonstyyEs

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

1:31:40

[@Jiggerjaw]

The fact that I didn't know Zazu was voiced by Rowan Atkinson is a perfect testament to your point about his skill as a voice actor.

[@UltromanTheTacoman]

Rowan playing Zazu was one of the main reasons I switched to watching the English versions of Disney movies instead of my local language (Danish), along with a personal favorite, Jeremy Irons, and of course James Earl Jones. Few can copy such characteristic performances, especially when translated to another language so the lipsyncing and movements don't match up well. That didn't matter as much back when the mouth animations were all wonky even in the native language.

[@Dipstickdude09]

I didn't know Nathan Lane was Timon. Makes a lot of sense in retrospect

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

@@UltromanTheTacoman Wonky?

[@AndyTaken]

I think if you was British and old enough you knew it was Rowan Atkinson even as a kid. Not to take away from his performance but that sounds like something someone who wasn't British or old enough to know who he was would say.

[@obscure.reference]

@@AndyTaken well yeah kids who watch the movie aren’t going to know about voice actors, and if you watch it occasionally as you grow up it’s decent odds it never occurs to you. atkinson’s biggest character in the US is mr bean who doesn’t really have a voice, so we’re already at a disadvantage.

[@Violaphobia]

Imagine being an actual nature photographer, laying in a bush for weeks to perfectly capture amazing pictures of animals in their habitats, and then hearing “the skies are too pretty, nobody gets that lucky”

[@gogongagis3395]

To be fair my only nitpick with this entiiire video was that section, just because of the examples used. All of the example photos are incredibly heavily edited, and most likely they are composites of multiple shots. It wouldn’t be possible to “film” them looking quite like that. That said, his point still stands. There are a ton of beautiful skies and a ton of ways to capture them and they were using CG anyway so they ~could~ film it looking like a composite if they wanted to. Just the examples were poorly chosen.

[@sourdrop]

I can go outside on any random Tuesday at sunset and see the most awe-inspiring, majestic, display of colors, light, and clouds I've ever had the joy to behold. Jon needs to touch grass and soon

[@Robb1977]

@@gogongagis3395 fuck around with your camera a bit, and yes, you can get GREAT sky and landscape photos. Do a little editing and thatll happen too. You know who does that? documentary filmmakers! honestly a good nature doc can be played without narration, and the viewer can just sit in awe at the vistas. besides, ive lived in a few, unremarkable places in this world, and visited a few more. Ive seen beautiful skies from Ticonderoga, Shamokin, Baltimore, Homestead, and even in Ohio. none of these are known for having beautiful skies, But they exist all the time in nature. Be it after the rain, or a day with light cloud cover. why can see long rays of light peeking through clouds in baltimore during a commute but not in the singing lion movie?

[@RapidsLurker15]

@@sourdrop He lives in LA, he's probably never seen grass.

[@cutekitty1212]

I see beautiful skies everyday not gonna lie. It's not that hard nature is naturally pretty.

[@PossumReviews]

"We had to remake it for the new generation." Is there some reason kids can't just watch the original?

[@thecinematicmind]

Jon: Restoration to Pride Rock.

[@chupathingy5862]

Money.

[@fawnieee]

@@chupathingy5862 we've reach that point in late stage capitalism where making as much profit as possible supercedes any sort of artistic integrity.

[@nascour5991]

but it's not as advanced with dah CGI woah kjskjfdksfj

[@UOHCUNY]

@@fawnieee I'm also 12

[@KindlyUmbreon]

The reason that YMS hasn’t made a part two is that in real life, it’s unrealistic for people to make a second part to something

[@samissomewhere4573]

Thats too lucky for real photography

[@matthewisguy7336]

@@samissomewhere4573 Dont forget the fur glow!

[@QueenClaireVT]

you could put up crayon drawings with YMS's lion king review in the background and it would make you cry

[@luisn642]

Yet it’s always realistic for movie studios to make more sequels and reboots

[@randomness928]

It took him like three years to get this one out lol cut the man some slack

[@Poketom-ob1dl]

If you can believe it, removing Zazu’s first line gets worse. In the original, it had a payoff. Right after the stampede, Scar goes down to mock Simba. There’s no external reason why he can’t just have his hyena’s kill him then and there, but instead he mocks him and let’s him run. Why? Because it’s been established that Scar plays with his food! This allows Simba to escape and becomes his downfall. Meaning, not only is Zazu’s first line a great introduction to both characters and their dynamic, but it was INTEGRAL TO THE PLOT AND CHARACTER OF SCAR, AND THEY REMOVED IT! HOW DOES IT KEEP GETTING WORSE!

[@Kylirr]

i dunno about integral but it's certainly significant

[@JanizMakudomaru]

By thinking that is how.

[@Flashplayer65]

Not to mention the payoff towards the end of the movie, where Scar could have just pushed Simba down the cliff, but instead he's breaking his act to tell Simba how he was the one killing Mufasa (inadvertently giving Simba the strength and confidence to continue to fight him).

[@SFTaYZa]

let's

[@MollyMargolisBillCipherIsBae]

WOW! I NEVER EVEN CAUGHT THAT! There are so many details that are in the original!

[@Horsaz]

Jon wanted to make a realistic movie about lions but here's my question... why can't I see their balls then? If it's supposed to be realistic JON.

[@biryanilover7147]

💀 💀 💀

[@darwincity]

This is for the porn knock-off, "This is not the Lion King (2019): XXX". Disney "might" still have some standards.

[@ExtremeWreck]

Nah that's for the 100 times worse Asylum knockoff with CGI that will make Rapsittie Street Kids look amazing in comparison.

[@lollikabosso.w.n7153]

i didnt see their anuses. i think realism has been sacrificed there as well

[@CriticsCupofficial]

This should be the pinned comment haha

[@flarecoils1573]

One thing I want to point out about "I Just Can't Wait To Be King" is how important it is in the original that the animals aren't realistic. As the song progresses, the animals all get cartoonier looking, with the elephants getting fatter and redder, the giraffes getting more angular patterns and thinner necks, etc. Simba's childish behavior is literally warping the world around him, leading up to the moment where the animals do the most outlandish thing-making a tower to hold Simba and Nala above them all-_and it all falls apart._ The movie is literally using surrealism to foreshadow what will happen if Simba doesn't take responsibility for his actions as a king, which is something you literally cannot do if you're so pressed for "Realism" that you refuse to even make the sky memorable in the opening scene of the fucking movie.

[@gabethegm4405]

Oh wow how did I not realise that until now God why does The Lion King get better for me the more times I look back at it, while the remake just gets worse and worse whenever I think about it

[@IDontReallyWantAYoutubeHandle]

I guess it could also symbolise the Lion's place in the circle of life. Sure, they may be the top predators and "king" of the savannah, but that doesn't mean they're mightier or superior to the other animals, as they too will also someday become the grass the antelope eat. Cut to Scar rejecting this principle and mass hunting every animal in the land because HE'S king, and HE gets to decide what's right for the pride, and it leads to the inevitable tumble of the tower. You can't be the king and sit on top of a great throne if there's nobody to rule over and nothing to sit on. IIRC when Simba returns, there isn't even any grass growing, just dry wood and rocks, which is Scar rejecting the circle of life even moreso. That's at least my interpretation anyways lol

[@johnymustacio]

@@IDontReallyWantAKZbinHandle the cire of life is bollocks...

[@Yuti640]

I’d say it’s more that the increasingly cartoonish animals are Simba’s perspective on how idealistic the idea of being king is, which, as you said, is then quite literally collapsed as the reality of what acting that way would cause hits Simba as the song is swiftly finished, in the same way that his rule would be swiftly finished if his attitude was the same

[@johnymustacio]

@@Yuti640 i wouldn't make the argument that there is any actual learership present in that movie. vague aligories that can be interpreted how you like wont cut it.

[@brandongnuschke3870]

Whenever I hear Jon say, “It’s like his lightsaber” it makes me want to punch a hole into the fabric of space and time.

[@thelittlemoonling]

this!!!!!

[@jamcal8086]

You just know they only brought back James Earl Jones because “DART VADR????? STAR WAR!!!!!”

[@bepsi8700]

it's quite honestly the most reddit statement ever uttered by a human being

[@thatoneguychad420]

It sounds like the most scripted memberberries line ever.

[@marmotman151]

"Lightsaber."

[@DoobusGoobus]

Watching you slowly make this over a few years just to see a 3 hour video called "part 1" is something only you would do Adam. Never change!

[@aliveslice]

Haha I was like okay 2h 40m isn't as much as expected oh it's part 1 nevermind 😋 synecdoche all the way

[@communistcomputergod6449]

It also means the journey is not over yet!

[@r.0.b.429]

Why are you so short?

[@drumlindrums7913]

OMG ITS DOOBUS

[@davejones9469]

There's Mauler. He's not done his Force Awakens analysis and it's pushing about 6-7 hours over 4 parts.

[@Huggbees]

"Nothing looks beautiful in real life, I live in Los Angeles." Pretty applicable statement to the entire movie industry as a whole.

[@GameTheGalaxy]

we should move hollywood to colorado or montanna

[@GameTheGalaxy]

@@demonalivefornow9680 they hide oil mines with fake buildings

[@noaharce6921]

that would explain why the color palette of recent Hollywood films looks like it was derived from the holocaust.

[@theturtwig50]

I laughed my ass off in this line.

[@linaskvedaras]

@@demonalivefornow9680 I mean, it's just, like, his opinion on a subjective beauty

[@brandonkennedy4160]

So, I’m blind, and I watch movies with audio descriptions. After watching this review, I thought I’d check out the movie, mostly for the obvious mixing of new and old James Earl Jones lines. Now, most audio descriptions for animated movies or shows begin with “In a cartoon” or “In animation.” If not, it’s assumed it’s live-action. The first words in the audio description for The Lion King 2019 are, “Live-action.” Even actual live-action movies don’t say they are, so somebody at Disney specifically had that word added to the description. They actually straight up lied!

[@amf8648]

Holy shit

[@Rikorage]

@Farflung Clown That's Disney evil!

[@vulturedrawz]

Wait if ur blind how tf did you type this-

[@RanMouri82]

@@vulturedrawz Keyboards designed for blind people, likely with Braille keys.

[@RanMouri82]

They went all-in on the live-action lie. They're hoping that if they just keep telling you that, you'll believe it.

[@HowdyFolksGaming]

“Oh no, fascism is bad! So we cannot use fascism imagery alongside our VILLAINS, because fascism is bad, and we cannot have our BAD GUYS associated with FASCISM, because FASCISM IS BAD.” - Disney, for some reason.

[@HowdyFolksGaming]

@@ricksimon9867 2019 Scar is totally different; he’s boring and uninteresting. So yeah, he does fit the rest of the movie 😂

[@HowdyFolksGaming]

@@ricksimon9867 I don’t know if that was his intention, but it’s certainly what he accomplished.

[@nvfury13]

@@ricksimon9867It was based on Nazi rhetoric…so you either have never actually watched the original Lion King, or know nothing about Fascism…

[@nvfury13]

@@ricksimon9867 The entire theme…repeated lines about how the injustice will be squared once they violently take power, about decades of denial. Basically, scrub his insults towards the hyenas and swap his talk of becoming king for leader, and you get Hitler’s speech hi-lights. That was *why* they went for the Nazi inspired imagery during the animation of the song…the hyenas are Scars Browncoats, criminal scum geared to help him violently take power.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

The hyenas goose-stepping is probably too strongly associated with that scene I guess @@ricksimon9867

[@globules804]

"Nothing in real life looks beautiful. I live in Los Angeles" is such an effective summation of this entire film holy shit

[@seamusthatsthedog4819]

Such a raw line

[@Nick_J_]

Los Angeles was a beautiful place ruined by the worst urban design in America

[@pacman5698]

@@Nick_J_ Roads specifically. Roads and abandoning public transport fucked up so much of the designs of our cities.

[@frostbluez]

@@Nick_J_ I’ve never been, is it actually that terrible? I am absolutely someone who finds urban cities more beautiful then nature. Like, I’ve actually been in San Francisco and wanted to cry because it’s so beautiful. Is Los Angeles actually that ugly? Like, even to someone who loves the way cities look?

[@DaRkLoRdZoRc]

@@Nick_J_ "Urban design." Is that what they're calling them nowadays?

[@xxTC-96xx]

the disrespect Disney has for traditional animation really hurts my heart, they deliberately killed it from staying in mainstream media and now keep trying to emphasize that it's just "kids stuff" and that CGI animation is the stuff for grown ups

[@glitchedsushi]

Walt is rolling in his grave, I’m pretty sure of that. Seriously, I read the extents he went to produce some of his early animated movies and I listened to him talking about animation, and then when I heard those people be like “oh yeah, kids nowadays don’t want 2D animation, is outdated, this is the future!” I felt a little heartbroken, no joking.

[@JesusOfPaign]

It’s pretty depressing. Cuz it’s totally the marketing and higher ups that are responsible. Every 3D artist i know, myself included, have an enormous amount of respect and reverence for 2D animation.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@JesusOfPaign 💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍💯

[@ZombiedWolf]

This is only half true cause they have honestly made it to where animation is general is ONLY for kids. Doesn't matter if its 2d or CGI.

[@Scroolewse]

also pay attention to academy awards. best animation awards always seem to shy away from traditional styles.

[@CosyBee]

You know a review is going to be legendary when it's both longer than the movie itself, and also taking longer to make than the movie itself. Congrats Adum on completing Part 1!

[@gavinfriedenberg4474]

Yah and there FUCKING MORE LATER

[@Connorthecatsdad]

Yeah, interesting to think about how even as I write this literally no one but Adum and anyone who's proof watched this has seen the whole thing

[@devinpaul9026]

I mean, it's not like actual WORK went into this movie.

[@TheReZisTLust]

And is a part 1 🥶

[@franklinbadge1215]

It's kinda like the bullshit asymmetry principle.

[@KolMan2000]

“I was too busy focusing on the fur glow and the dirt colored dirt” was a perfect summary for this entire movie

[@HülyeLó]

Five years have passed since the premiere, and nothing about this trash seems "live-action" anymore

[@jimmy2fingers304]

​@@HülyeLóbojler elado

[@HülyeLó]

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[@bocodamondo]

its pretty insulting how disney is soo scared of the movie being called "animated" because of hollywood's stigma against animations being "only for children"...something that disney themselves are responsible for mind you...

[@Attmay]

I wish I could disagree with that statement. They're projecting their own immaturity onto the audiences.

[@cdubsb3831]

Did Disney actually try to push that narrative?

[@bocodamondo]

@@cdubsb3831 i doubt its directly, but it is largley because of their popular 2d animation movies in the past that made people associate animated movies with primarley being targeted towards kids or family friendly

[@astrolight1279]

Based

[@squadalaguydc]

Its funny how Disney is only now starting to try and go back and attempt doing 2D animation again after seeing their recent live-action remakes fail when compared to their animated films/shows.

[@SteveCrafts2k]

You forgot a detail: When Mufasa first notices the stampede, no music is playing. Both him and Zazu just assume it's yet another stampede and move on with their lives. But as soon as Scar mentions Simba, the chorus gets louder, signaling Mufasa's realization and horror of Simba being in danger. In the remake, however, the music is playing all throughout, losing all of the tension it may have once had in favor of constant noise.

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

Not to mention, the music is loud when the focus is on Simba, while it is present but quieter when Scar is getting Mufasa. Showing the tension is still present, but emphasizing it on where the actual danger is, while letting the actors' performances keep the tension going. While the remake makes the music loud all the way through, with no particular emphasis. Because you need to rely on that music when the actors aren't enough to maintain tension...

[@Simbala-bq5vy]

Dude that scene could be in a fantasia movie Disney missed the opportunity to add it without sounds in fantasia 2000

[@dylanzlol7293]

I love when music is on sync with what's on screen.

[@SammEater]

The music is obviously there to compensate for the lack of facial expression on their models.

[@TrueBuddhaCat]

Plus, in that scene when Zazu points out that “the herd is on the move” Mufasa looks back with an expression of concern and says “Odd…” meaning this isn’t normal, something must’ve happened It’s the very little things in the original that speaks so much without saying anything

[@hornedcrusader9485]

Even Jeremy Irons saying "whippersnapper" is way better than anything the 2019 Scar said in the movie.

[@zachryder3150]

And that was after a 10+ minute long interview, unprompted, without a director.

[@justyouraveragecorgi]

I saw a middle school performance of The Lion King Jr. The kid playing Scar was probably 12 at most. She was still better than anything the 2019 Scar said in the movie.

[@Lil_critter]

Yep definitely I love that so much lol

[@aml.yawaog]

I see no lies 😍

[@MildChunkySalsa]

@@justyouraveragecorgi my Elementary school would do a “big production” where they took a play and did a big show. They did one for the lion king broadway and that had more heart and care than the 2019 version.

[@Tyrany42]

“You can see the human emotion in the rocks and the color of the dirt and the fur glow” kind of broke my brain.

[@zachryder3150]

I don't think Jon read the novel he's presenting the book report on.

[@yunatuna6011]

This movie is like one big "fuck you" for the whole art of animation. And it's from the best known animation studio in the entire world.

[@arandompasserby7940]

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain.

[@UltimateNut]

@@arandompasserby7940 this is basically Disney

[@knightofetro13]

@@arandompasserby7940 nm k ok o Yuki

[@NameNotAlreadyTaken2]

Disney is only a "known" animation studio at all due to what it did far in the past. That Disney doesn't even exist anymore.

[@0average_enjoyer044]

japanese animation (really a lot of japanese media tbh) has the west beat lol

[@OneTopic]

One year in and I can’t wait for the sequel.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

This and Silksong will release on the same day, I bet you.

[@Niagaranobs]

Oh dang.

[@arielchandia2]

Any, second now.

[@SleepyOcto]

any second...@@arielchandia2

[@MaticTheProto]

Oh well well… if it isn’t a youtuber I watch with a similar algorithm for recommendations

[@Shalalacls]

The fact that Simba noticing the wildebeest is a fully CGI still shot while in 1994 they HAND ANIMATED a dolly zoom makes me wanna scream

[@thepassingstatic6268]

There was a point and time where Disney animation was really pushing things forward. Beauty and the Beast was right up there as well. The ballroom dance scene was a technological marvel at the time, and that was late 80s - early 90s! Now they're just coasting on nostalgia with this 260M copyright renewal

[@Vampiyaa]

@@thepassingstatic6268 And the thing that sucks about this 'CGI-only animation is superior/more difficult/more impressive' is that it minimizes just how impressive those scenes are. The Beauty and the Beast ballroom scene is a visual masterpiece that still looks absolutely flawless to this day. But to those subscribing to the idea that hand-drawn/2D animation is simpler and lesser than pure CGI, it's just a cartoon and a relic of the past.

[@thepassingstatic6268]

@@Vampiyaa I agree with everything but that that last part. As long as anime is a thing, 2d will still have a place long term. Thats one place that still gives a damn about hand drawn animation, and good VO. Allegedly Disney is gonna lean back into 2D again at some point in the near future. I'm not holding my breath but we'll see.

[@Shalalacls]

@@thepassingstatic6268 If Wish was supposed to be the start of that process, I wouldn't put all my hope in it. That style still looks over-reliant on 3D and, quite frankly, terrible. So much money, so creatively bankrupt.

[@bobjones2959]

@@Shalalacls I didn't even know Wish was a thing. I looked up the trailer and I get the impression it's trying to go for something like the Spiderverse/Puss in Boots last wish style with its animation, but it looks a lot cheaper than that from what I've seen. I think a great movie that uses traditional animation techniques but with a different kind of look is Klaus.

[@giselle9230]

What’s funny about the Teens React clips is that according to former Fine Bros child actors who are now grown up, the kids would often avoid saying anything negative about what they were reacting to for sponsored videos like this because otherwise their clips would get cut out of the final product every time. Guarantee there were teens on that recording day who had something negative to say about the trailer who either didn’t speak their minds or got cut out.

[@henrynelson9301]

Yeah they’re just acting. Which honestly makes “wow dude pride rock” funnier to me, when you know it’s just him trying to think of something safe to say.

[@HülyeLó]

@@henrynelson9301 That budget at disney went UP

[@fatcat1414]

Hearing the director talk is mind-boggling because he doesn't even attempt to sound like an artist. He sounds like the epitome of unimaginative corporatism and has no shame about it.

[@posthistoricdino422]

every time i watch this video and hear "cg artists are tempted to make the skies beautiful cause why not?" it pisses me off more and more. said as though it's some bad habit ARTISTS LIKE TO CREATE BEAUTY *JOHN*! A VISUALLY INTERESTING SHOT IS MORE PLEASING TO LOOK AT *JOHN*! SHOWING OFF THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE LANDSCAPE LEAVES A HUGE IMPRESSION JUST LIKE THE ORIGINAL FILM DID! *JOHN!*

[@kylejones8289]

And the weird thing is, John Favreau can be a good filmmaker. He has directed and written good movies before. I don't know if his priorities were out of whack here, or if he's just really out of his element here or if he's just collecting a paycheck and didn't give a shit. It's kind of baffling. Especially since he did the 2016 Jungle Book which is a similar film but didn't fall into any of the pitfalls that this one did.

[@EmperorBrettavius]

He’s got the exact opposite of shame. He is PROUD of it being exactly that, showing how confidently incorrect he is about how good of a film it is.

[@avivastudios2311]

"Yeah, I did this for money. So sue me." The fact that that movie made 1 billion dollars just makes me sad. Cause that gives them the green light to continue to make pointless remakes till the end of time.

[@ElArto95]

I'm pretty sure this film is him just being a yes man to Disney's demands in exchange for full creative control in developing the first season The Mandalorian

[@sydneywarren7353]

After this I can't stop taking note of pretty skies on nice sunny days and going "Wow what an unrealistic, beautiful sky, too bad John Favreau has never seen one," which happens almost every time I go out driving

[@davii2663]

HOLY SHIT ME TOO

[@jackcade8790]

I'm the same but with grass. For some reason "realism" seems to mean brownish desaturated grass. Meanwhile in reality grass is frequently, you know, GREEN. What do movies have against bright saturated green? It exists. I can see it every time I look out my goddamn window.

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

Every time I look at a beautiful sky I just go “explain this JOHN!” quietly to myself

[@Lizuma]

I guess he hasn’t gone outside often?

[@gwenivercall]

I remember when Dances With Wolves came out, one of the behind the scenes stories was that filming in South Dakota, the skies were so beautiful that they had to be toned down in post-production, because audiences would have seen them as being unrealistic. But I guess you never saw skies like that, JON.

[@nolsee1176]

I love that John refused to allow Rafiki to carry a stick (because baboons don't do that), but Scar being ambitious enough to plot and plan a stampede to kill his brother and nephew in order to take over a monarchy is still okay. Lions don't do that either, John.

[@monsterfurby]

Yeah, that sounds more like a house cat thing.

[@jonleibow3604]

Lions don't pass rulership of the pride down to their sons, either. If John was truly into 'realism', Mufasa and Scar would have continued to rule the pride together, and Simba would have had to leave and take over another pride when he became an adult.

[@nolsee1176]

@@monsterfurby ....that is the best reply ever. I’m keeping an extra eye on my cats now. Play nice, girls.

[@TheReZisTLust]

Literally everything in the story does not happen. Gatherings of herbivores for lions kill baby?????

[@aazhie]

@@jonleibow3604 Realistically, Scar would have been Simba's father. Darker maned lions, and the older brother get to mate more than the paler maned younger males. Lionesses are more attracted to dark manes, and brothers who form a coalition seem to have the agreement that the older brother is the one who mates, and the younger just takes his place if he dies XD

[@lunalluna9401]

About the 'be prepared' section, they did the same thing with Ursula in the live action remake. They removed the verse in her song were she says that women should not speak. It's like Disney doesn't want their villains to be evil anymore

[@qrowing]

Did they seriously? Don't let them catch wind of "Mother Knows Best" then.

[@mol9842]

THANK YOU. This exactly what I've been saying, people seem to think it's now bad for the bad guys to be bad!😂

[@coolbeans5911]

it is a travesty how they've depicted the African Savanna. One of our most stunning biomes and they made it look so lifeless and washed out. The original film on the other hand translated the quiet beauty of the Savanna perfectly, especially with the opening sunrise edit: with every enraged _"J O H N"_ i ascend

[@mookieluvr]

I feel that Edit on a spiritual level.

[@RinLockhart]

It's Los Angeles, not the Savanna.

[@PeninsulaPaintings]

Agreed! Why is the color contrast in this film so low/dull??

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@PeninsulaPaintings For the fur glow Favreau wanted, apparently, is what Adum says in the video, along with how it also hides iffy CGI. It's the visual equivalent of the weird sound mixing & bizarre choices of takes/line deliveries glued together with nuggets swiped from the '94 masters, stock Savannah Creature noises, & digitized vocal "fixes", all done with the same slapdash artless "we'll make it amazing in Post by slathering on the Uncanny Valley" approach. Tbh it was great to see this movie thoroughly & knowledgeably eviscerated particularly for the ways in which J-Fav's choices violated/failed the sense of craft specific to several of the specialist teams/talent these kinds of massive international releases bring together. Nobody gets to work at their best capacities when every department's busy obscuring colleagues' bad planning/direction/choices instead of better serving the story & elevating/amplifying everyone's collaborative excellence by rising to the high bars they set for each other.

[@iivvrryy]

It would almost be a brilliant metaphor for climate change if it were intentional. But I, you, and everyone knows it isn’t intentional. Jon is just lazy.

[@MysteryDisc]

With how clearly aged James Earl Jones's voice is now, it seems like a better role fit for him would've been Rafiki, which I think would've been great from a meta perspective on how he still gets to mentor Simba

[@adriannas9703]

Oh that would have been GREAT, FUCK, THIS MOVIE IS SO STUPID they didn't do anything to its full potential

[@PeninsulaPaintings]

Yes, I was wondering how they could have still incorporated James without forcing him to recite old lines without the same gravitas. Since they made Rafiki more serious anyway, this choice would've been quite clever - but artistically clever isn't realistic so Jon didn't wanna.

[@AtariiWave]

In the Latin spanish dub, the voice actor who voiced Simba in the 1994 movie (Arturo Mercado) got the opportunity to voice Rafiki in the live action

[@kingofbirds]

thats such a good idea

[@brandonmclendon5368]

Yo, that actually sounds kinda weird but kinda cool

[@madtitan4892]

Lions can only be awake for like... 3-4 hours a day, so if John wanted this to be realistic he should've just compiled a lot of shots of them sleeping and laying around.

[@BimpytheWimpyShrimpy]

Aaah, so _that's_ why Mufasa always sounds like he's falling asleep!

[@the_honored_one_06]

I did not actually know that. That's why they always look sleepy and bored in documentaries.

[@icewolvz6977]

@@the_honored_one_06 yeah, i could only imagine if i had to live in African heat covered in fur having to basically hunt for myself and my 8 kids and fight for every scrap of food and territory 😭 i too would only be able to have about 3 working hours a day

[@gensaikuroki1793]

@@the_honored_one_06 Yeah, they sleep for an average of 18 hours a day and are mostly active at night when it's cooler.

[@BalaenicepsRex3]

@@the_honored_one_06 Yep, carnivores sleep a lot more than herbivores.

[@ThreshAllden]

Not only is this a great critique of the movie, but a great way to teach filmmaking techniques. Honestly some wonderful work.

[@bananatiergod]

Hearing John saying "people moved on from the old way of animation" is so fucking condescending. No, people DIDN'T move from 2D animation, corporate executives just assume we did and went on with what's more trendy, that doesn't mean we don't want to see it again and that's why most people agree this movie sucks ass

[@G396]

Truth be told 3d is easier and thus cheaper to do.

[@bananatiergod]

@@G396 True, but Disney is a business empire with trillions of dollars under its belt so they don't get to pull that excuse. They have no problem gathering animators to make a proper 2D movie like back in the 90s, it's just that they feed people the "it's a dying trend" bullshit to save themselves the effort.

[@00KiryuZero00]

It's even more weird when they say its not trendy but the love for anime has grown so much over the past 10 years..ya know, 2d animation...

[@animatrix1490]

@@G396 The other thing is that 2D animators started unionizing in the 40s and 3D animators didn't exist then, so they're easier to take advantage of --> cheaper animation EDIT: 3D animators might be more covered than I thought initially when I wrote this comment, but checking today I found that *VFX* artists have no union. That puts a whole new, disgusting light on the "it's live action" garbage they were trying to push while they were marketing this vile sewage

[@Yipper64]

Basically they want to spin "we arent doing this anymore because its expensive to produce, and even more expensive to do right, and we've avoided doing it so long that there arent enough people to do it that we could conceivably do it cheap anymore" into "its better and you think its better, *everyone* thinks its better!"

[@DanielBlaney]

The whole thing that makes primates special is that they have thumbs and can hold things with one hand. Him carrying a stick or drawing is literally something a primate is capable of.

[@joshuaanderson1712]

Don't worry about the primates, Favreau doesn't seem to have witnessed a cat animal existing IRL with how bad Simba/etc are.

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

Also last I checked... the guy who said that? He's a fucking primate.

[@yeethittter1285]

So he can't have a stick or do painting, things a primate could absolutely accomplish.. But he can sing and speak English.. Very realistic guys! Just like a documentary!

[@Kultas]

I mean, I get why people say this is "live action". In John Lasseter's own words: "The definition of "Animation" is "to give life to"". See any life on the screen? Ye, me neither.

[@buscemyak]

Смищно

[@lewisreynolds604]

fucking great comment.

[@meciocio]

comes from the larin word "animus" meaning "soul". So yes, to give life/soul to

[@VeganSemihCyprus33]

Lions are going extinct due to this! 🙌💖 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ✌💖

[@beng6149]

John lasseter is a hack too

[@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany]

"Be Prepared" is literally the best song from the original movie and they fucking took it out. Amazing.

[@badbunnyky]

the fact that the "realistic live action" seems to never show them expressing fear/sadness/etc via their ears laid back is so crazy to me. like the #1 most common cat emote

[@debleb166]

It's wild that the original cartoon does a better job of depicting feline body language than the realistic "documentary-like" remake.

[@badbunnyky]

@@debleb166 right. someone should have shown him big cat videos on instagram. they go nuts

[@randompromises1038]

​@@debleb166"too cartoony" "we want to make it realistic" why can't we have fun anymore?? Who tf goes into a family-friendly movie for the REALISM??? What, are we gonna be upset that a movie set after 9/11 doesn't mention the tragedy when the film is about a teenage girl who learns to cook? Are we gonna throw a fit that the movie about a shape shifting werewolf going into middle school doesn't tackle the complexities of right-wing versus left-wing politics? Why tf would kids themselves care about the realism in a movie about talking and singing animals? Why would ADULTS care about the realism if they didn't have gripes about it from the first movie??? My head hurts.

[@bentramer682]

It was really creepy hearing them say "they wanna make the same movie again" if you wanna watch a movie watch it and show it to others if they haven't seen it. It's sad they think this is what they have to do to get people to feel something. And then on top of that they made up crap about how they "tried" and they say they didn't want expression. If they didn't want characters to emote why did they make a movie. That's like making a cake and not using eggs, sugar or butter. It's assanine

[@ammagon4519]

@@randompromises1038 because kids need to learn the "real" world apparently

[@NeptunII]

that commentary about the stick as rafiki's lightsabre is really funny, because it implies that Rafiki used to use the stick, then realized that monkeys don't use sticks, so he hid it away out of shame

[@myyetionfire]

Shaming a monkey for using his stick, oh my

[@Labyethan]

New Lore: Rafiki was a former jedi but used a stick. When Order 66 occurred, Rafiki fled and for the last few years hid his stick... but due to Jon, the Empire located and exterminated him after the reveal of Simbas baby.

[@Hemostat]

He couldn't make the lightsaber sounds with his mouth, he didn't want to ruin the realism by not doing them and hitting ppl with the stick

[@SomeOne-vf1rs]

I got a feeling of dread in my stomach as he uttered that complete nonsense. Like a tool and important part of somebody’s character was basically just a weapon or a marketing point. Saying that a tool like that is only a weapon and not something that is used for character or an extension of one’s body or control. The only thing that resonates with him is action and fighting and not personality and actual lessons.

[@guyofminimalimportance7]

There's such a sickeningly Corporate quality to that comparison. Like; the way he's pretending to be relatable by referencing another brand the studio owns is just so wrong.

[@Zakkleberg]

"Should we repaint the Mona Lisa simply because we have better paints?" Just because the technology is better does not mean that the end product is better by default

[@elaineblanco-connally4749]

top tier comment

[@kategorina3164]

golden comment

[@fortnitesexman]

even if the painting did end up looking better it wouldn't necessarily *be* better for a whole host of reasons such as historical value and with CGI this situation is also somewhat applicable, like yes, the cgi is impresive, arguably way moreso than the cel paintings in the original, but that doesn't make it better

[@Robb1977]

@@fortnitesexman i love the mona lisa for semantic reasons that make me a "that asshole" the mona lisa is mostly popular because it was stolen. Prior to its theft it was just put out in the open like all the others. it was its recovery and the mysterious nature of the heist that made it so popular in the public eye. similarly, many movies like the lion king arent discussed by the public but then someone does something to the original and everyone galvanizes around an opinion.

[@cadekachelmeier7251]

Yeah, but it's not really realistic to have good paints. We'll repaint it by smearing our shit instead.

[@MaidenOfHusbands]

Even after 2 years, I STILL come back to watch this video. Seriously one of my favorite videos on this app. I love the detail and passion put into this and the Kimba video, plus the editing videos about the lion king from the YMS Highlights channel.

[@TheAntlionGuard]

John feels like a guy who's never left a big city in his life and thinks anything beyond grey skylines are pure fantasy

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

He also seems like the kind of kid that would remind the teacher to collect the homework

[@rvbvftc]

He made the jungle book?

[@Lord_Of_Night]

@@rvbvftc Which makes it even weirder that Lion King 2019 looks so dull.

[@roykoopaplush8610]

That's because he is, he was born in NY and lived there for most of his life

[@antona.1327]

So he's exactly like his character from Sopranos...

[@PikaPetey]

The Original Lion King was the B-team movie durring the time of production and everyone threw their heart into it because they were trying to prove they weren't working on an inferior film and it turned out amazing. I hated every aspect of "The Lion King" remake. Everyone involved knew it was going to make bank and where there just collecting a paycheck. It is blatantly obvious in the dialog. I wanted the remake to flop hard, I wanted it to bomb. But no... EVERY MONKEY AND THEIR UNCLE WENT AND SAW IT IN THEATERS. One of the things that made the original movie great, what that it was packed full of visual gags that made the audience laugh. There are no visual gags or jokes in the remake.

[@SobiTheRobot]

That's what it is, isn't it? God damn complacency...they're so convinced they know what they're doing that nobody cares question it.

[@Attmay]

The only reason anybody went to see it is because of name recognition. Just because they paid money to get in doesn’t mean they got a refund to get out if they didn’t like it. And you can quit shoving rotten tomatoes scores in my face. Their binary system is useless because it automatically counts mixed reviews as rotten.

[@officernealy]

It almost makes me wonder why Jon Favreau even agreed to be involved with the project. The man isn't untalented and right now a lot of positive changes are undergoing the Star Wars brand in part because of his clear passion for it. If he's made it clear throughout the entirety of the production process that he only sees the movie as a glorified tech demo (and a paycheck), why wasn't he demoted to simply being a producer? He'd still get to have his fun playing around with the technology while also leaving the director's chair open to a creative who could put way more passion into the project?!

[@thejedisonic67]

Meanwhile the studio focused heavily on the "A-Team" project Pocahontas, forcing in unnecessary changes and leading to that film being shit.

[@uknownada]

@@officernealy Probably because he directed The Jungle Book, which is really similar to The Lion King in terms of the realistic animals. They're not gonna give this project to Kenneth Branagh (Cinderella) or Bill Condon (Beauty & the Beast). Out of their options, Favreau was kinda perfect for the job. Unfortunately he also specializes in really bland imagery.

[@thevastmeow]

I’ve watched this multiple times and “It’s like his lightsaber” still does immense psychic damage like how does someone not have any self awareness to such a degree

[@fluffynator6222]

God, why don't more people point that out? It's like he is trying so damn hard to make this bs cool somehow...

[@drawnwithlove3499]

He sounds like a 12 year old talking about their stacked marker sword

[@DaMaster012]

Jon Favfaux's entire multi-million dollar career is founded upon creating false works where he films people playing pretend. He has no self awareness because he's not grounded in reality.

[@damienearl1310]

Honestly...what's worse is that I bet they actually do, they just hope people will hear that and say "Damn, you're right, this is so cool!" Clever and dumb in the same light, 'tis the way of marketing

[@raidenstone8037]

So true. That statement is not only disrespecting the purpose of Rafiki's staff but it disrespects Star Wars which, at least in the original trilogy that everyone's trying so hard to recapture, lightsabers were never treated as some secret holy weapon to be used at the last moment. The first time we see one used as a weapon is in a bar, cutting some drunk asshole's arm off. Elevating a glorified switchblade into some kind of mystical artifact is just strange. Same with the staff, it's an everyday tool for the character.

[@Metroid22540]

Another proof that the originals hold up? My Dad's 60 years old, he watched the remake on Plus... I knew it was going to be a trainwreck, so I didn't watch it with him. I should have. I wish I did. We would have been shit-talking the disaster the whole time. But what surprised me was as soon as it was over, he didn't go to something else. He put on the original. a 60 year old man who obsesses over zombie media cleansed his palate with the original. He was THAT betrayed by Disney that to this day he ACTIVELY refuses to watch anymore LARs from Disney. Fuckin' love this man.

[@ChiWillett]

this doesn't add the convo but just had to say i love that so much

[@HorrorEdits642]

So Jon Favreau thinks that Rafiki walking around with a stick is too unrealistic but thinks it’s realistic for Rafiki to baptise a baby lion with a red plant root. Wow Jon.

[@davisgoodrich8183]

Let’s be honest, he was just looking for things to change so he’d feel justified in Daddy Disney hiring his “Special Talents”.

[@afreshloafofgarlicbread6307]

It drives me insane from an actual primatology standpoint. It’s not that crazy to imagine a monkey carrying a random object around, they do that all the time. The baptism thing would require advanced symbolic thought and an understanding of pigment usage.

[@Clem_momo]

@@afreshloafofgarlicbread6307 don’t monkeys also know how to use tools to an extent

[@wolflplushlnoice]

@@Clem_momo yeah, your right

[@Clem_momo]

@@wolflplushlnoice so they made it like that “to be more realistic” when rafiki having a stick is also realistic

[@xXDragonCartoonsXx]

The hyenas laughing is even scarier in the animated movie because it’s on cue it means they were watching them the whole time and decided to make an entrance then

[@Trollololololful]

They are both animated movies.

[@xXDragonCartoonsXx]

@@Trollololololful yeah true

[@academicace]

@@xXDragonCartoonsXx "in the better-animated movie". Better?

[@NASkeywest]

@@Trollololololful ITS NOT ANIMATED ITS LIVE ACTION 😅

[@brahwhoa188]

The BUDGET at Disney just went up

[@EarlyOwOwl]

There's no way the director PRIDEFULLY said that "checking the nostalgia boxes in the audience's mind" was one of the main goals right? There's no way any self respecting director would EVER take pride in that...right?

[@343GuiltyBlaze]

The only pride in this film was the rock

[@hillbillypowpow]

@@343GuiltyBlaze DUUUUUDE

[@zachryder3150]

@@343GuiltyBlaze Holy shit you fucking killed him dude!

[@mistersoman]

@@hillbillypowpow Prayde rook.

[@grishgnchegng6391]

you are indian, aren't you....

[@extremelysleepyperson]

everyone calling it live action is literally so insulting to animators. its insane. hundreds of people spent so much time making those models, painting them, rigging them, animating and rendering them, just for people to say "omg its real life its live action!!" like dude what

[@victoriapulcifer6218]

The more I watch Jon's interview footage, the more I get the sense that he just straight up *hates* the original movie. "I like it because it's one of the most successful films of all time, but it's outdated because 2D animation is purely made for nostalgia." "When we looked at the kind of fruit it was, it wasnt filled with _face paint."_ "The original film had a schedule and a budget." "Hans really wanted to fix and fill the orchestra." He acknowledges explicitly that his intentions for the film run _counter-intuitive_ to the building blocks of the original film, as though he's using avant garde decisions to craft some sort of masterpiece. What's especially pissed me off as of late is his insistence that the only emotional impact comes from the color of the dirt and Hans' score, that "You could hold up still drawings, and you'll cry." But Han's score is only impactful because the score worked _together_ with the _animation and story!_ *We remember the movie first!* There's just so much shade being thrown it's kind of jarring

[@carlblaskovich2812]

I dont like the Lion King that much, but I do like some of the things about it. Jon, on the other hand, missed basic plot details and got accepted to make this movie. It's baffling. And what he says completely shits on 2d animation and the limitations they had to face back then.

[@Violaphobia]

I tried watching Rick and Morty the other day, but my brain just couldn’t make sense of the images because animation has just moved on from that style 😅

[@NiGHTSaturn]

Why oh why does Disney purposefully hire people who are in to get rid of EVERYTHING that makes some of their stories magical? The Last Jedi is another example. And the fact that Jon is in control of so many new Star Wars productions makes me incredibly disappointed.

[@keithwellerlounge74]

@@NiGHTSaturn Don't get me started on that. Look what they've done to the theme parks. It's like they can't make their new thing look good without knocking down and insulting something great they've done in the past. Because they know their new thing is SHIT.

[@cutekitty1212]

Ironically enough 2D animation is usually better. But it typically requires talent so Jon couldn't have that.

[@rileyspeck4918]

“We gave Rafiki his stick for the fight, he kept it hidden, it’s like his lightsaber hehe” bruh I’m dead 💀

[@glitchedsushi]

“Just shut up and consoome”

[@cranberryrosebud]

It's especially funny (in a sad way) since the movies with the lightsabers kinda also got their legacy fucked over (and by Disney, no less :D) The wonderful world of Hollywood, where we recognise what made films work, and operate under nothing but artistic integrity. It's like poetry, really. Beyoncé

[@voidofspaceandtime4684]

recently this kind of bs has been pulled in multiple movies with this attitude. One that really did just put a lightsaber in.

[@IDHLEB]

This line makes me cringe so much

[@Сайтамен]

Somebody was making Mandalorian too much...

[@UncleDane]

*Wow, dude.* You should take *pride* in how much work went into this review. You *rock.*

[@resikek1207]

PRIDE ROCK

[@help9602]

Nice one Uncle dane the sentry man

[@mr.whimsic6902]

This entire video is both longer and better than the movie itself

[@cocoroach_ok]

DOOD PWIDE WROCC

[@regularcasanova7137]

Lion King characters as TF2 classes when?

[@cutekitty1212]

Can't wait for Adam to talk about how Timon and Pumba basically bully Simba and treat him like an outcast in the 2019 version. They are so insufferable.

[@SteveJubs]

Human emotions according to Jon Favreau: -Happy -Sad -How the fur glow

[@PeninsulaPaintings]

I'm feeling pretty fur glow today, I'm not sure what you mean..

[@bigstupiduglyogre7205]

- the color of the rocks and dirt

[@callmehotnotpretty1]

But lions don't feel emotions!!1!1!! It's not realistic!!!1!11😶😓☹😰🤬

[@bananaempijama]

Dude....fur glow!!!

[@porterwake3898]

My dogs have emotions in their faces. What is Favreau talking about? Animals DO change their faces.

[@Caddicarus]

I’m never going to say the name ‘Jon’ normally ever again

[@drippyspaff7616]

Hey, it’s the two people I subscribe to who need to take a long vacation the most! Edit: wait, I forgot about Quinton…

[@admech590]

me neither...

[@StoutShako]

Omfg. It's the real Caddinkydink

[@mlgodzilla4206]

JON!…

[@orelpuppington5846]

Same with how I can’t pronounce “milk” right sometimes Mr. Caddy.

[@alfie4234]

As an animation fan, it really saddens me that the highest grossing animated movie of all time was made by someone who is clearly ashamed that his film is animated.

[@Loopimay]

If it makes you feel any better, it technically isn't. Snow White is the highest grossing animated movie of all time. But due to inflation, the Lion King (2019) holds that spot.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

​@@Loopimaythat makes me feel better, at least.

[@AzariahPage]

Inside out 2 just beat it well deserved honestly

[@typhoonthunder]

Listening to Jon Favreau talk about this movie is one of the most frustrating things imaginable because of the absolutely insane creative choices he tries to justify. "Too lucky for real photography"?! "Limiting the amount of facial expressions"?! What is he on about? Thank you for calling out his bullshit, this is one of my all time most hated movies ever made

[@thegreatwallofting]

The best part of it is THIS NEVER EVEN NEEDED TO BE MADE. Disney just wants to ruin everything because MONEY!!!!!!!!

[@kraikein]

I love how John’s interviews basically have him admitting to use nostalgia to manipulate the audience into turning off their critical minds and the interviewers are basically treating him like he’s the greatest film maker of all time. Truly one of the greatest con-men of our generation.

[@davidfisher9252]

@lrig snart I mean, Jon Faverau has been both good and bad when it comes to handling nostalgia. Season 1 of The Mandalorian was made by him, and it's arguably the Disney Star Wars IP that's the most detached from the OT. This doesn't excuse the direction he made The Lion King go, but it does prove that he's still very capable of more than nostalgia manipulation. Also, I'd very much like to give Johnson a second chance, or see what Lord and Miller would do with Star Wars. Liking all four of these directors is not mutually exclusive.

[@disappointeddegenerate3186]

When he directed Elf, he had only a $33 million budget and no nostalgia factor to capitalize, and it’s considered a classic. It’s almost like a huge CGI budget and brand recognition are less important than effort and creativity.

[@PaintSplashProductions]

He learned it from Marvel

[@helwrecht1637]

@lrig snart Rian Johnson, an artist? What cause he made a murder mystery with the most obvious answer ever?

[@helwrecht1637]

@lrig snart surrrree okay 👌, looper sucked too

[@Iamgudjoe]

Jon Favreau is like that one teenager who made a reddit post about how unrealistic movies are and it got 100 upvotes and now it's gone to his head

[@MrToddino]

Jon Favreau is cinemasins?

[@XCHADHIGGINSX]

😂😂😂😂

[@Captaincory1]

​@@MrToddinodifference is cinemasins does it as a joke

[@MrToddino]

@@Captaincory1 cinemasins is a joke, yes

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

😂🤣😂🤣🥲

[@ultravision8161]

I have a little nephew and niece (8-9 years old) and neither of them knew jack about the lion king, so I did an experiment. I watched the realistic garbage one with my 9 year old niece and the original cartoon one with my 8 year old nephew. My nephew LOVED the cartoon, and for the following days he was singing can't wait to be king, doing pumba's voice and drawing lions and stuff. My niece on the other hand didn't even remember the movie, not a single song and I SHIT YOU NOT, she thought we were watching a boring weird Animal Planet documentary. Her words own "so they made them realistic but they can speak English?". enough said. kids can be extremely cynical.

[@soundrogue4472]

I keep having to say this but kids are smart as you raise them. I was the only one of all my siblings who were dropped as a baby, and I ended up being the 3rd smartest but mentally slow, and my cognitive abilities got even more damaged after each sport I was forced to play, my youngest brother who was forced to play the least amount of sports, and had the least amount of brain damage is insanely smart, and has a high paying job. My biological mother did the smart thing, and offered to pay for our schooling if we got straight A's during HS.] My middle brother who is the 2nd smartest learned accounting over the summer, skipped his accounting one class because how well he scored, and threw a temper tantrum that the military only wanted him for civilian jobs so he refused to join the military even when tempted with a higher starting pay. He was rewarded for his laziness/ punished the least. Where if I stepped out of line once I was punished. I'm bringing up my own life as an example of my wisdom; your kids are only as smart as you raised them.

[@maryammuhib]

I agree with your sentiments and I feel your pain, but also I hope you showed your niece the original after putting her through that 😭 otherwise she just got done dirty lmao

[@Stefano-ri5xf]

I really hope you showed your niece the og and bought her ice-cream to make up for the experiment.

[@obscure.reference]

“experimenting” by showing children evil media is unethical

[@owensmart2514]

That happened

[@lanceareadbhar]

I don't blame Hans Zimmer for his comments. He's literally under contract to not say anything bad about the film and could also be labeled as "hard to work with" if he says anything out of line. We can't take interviews from people that worked on a project at face value. Just look at the interviews from the cast of Game of Thrones during the final season.

[@moviemaestro800]

Likewise to Jon Favreau, to be honest. If you have seen the other films he has directed like Chef, Elf or even Iron Man and The Jungle Book (2016), it's clear he is actually a good director. This was clearly a contract job for him too, most likely so that he could get more creative freedom as the showrunner for The Mandalorian, where you can tell (at least at first) that he cared about the project in every aspect. It was a no-win scenario for anyone hired to direct this movie, because Disney was going to get it made no matter what, and eventually someone was going to say yes. It definitely explains why Favreau looks awkward in the interviews compared to when he is promoting most of the other movies he has directed. He almost certainly knows that this movie wasn't actually worth making, but was under contract not to rock the boat, because Disney wanted a surefire hit.

[@jontyonopko]

@@moviemaestro800 While I appreciate that Jon was probably under contract, I don't think any contract is going to demand its directors lie about the content of the film. Particularly for the claim that they didn't reuse old takes from the 1994 Lion King for Mufasa's dialogue. Jon certainly wasn't in any position to say "yeah the film's not good, don't go see it", but even considering his position, I think Jon was way more deceptive than he had to be. I think he's just full of himself and doesn't respect his audience.

[@moviemaestro800]

@@jontyonopko From what I have heard about Disney contracts, I wouldn't underestimate the extent of the demands. That's all I'll say about that.

[@jontyonopko]

@@moviemaestro800 I certainly hope not. If it ever came out that Disney would actually contractually force their project leads to knowingly lie to their own audience, that'd kill their reputation dead as a doornail. No-one would ever go to their press runs expecting honest reveals or accurate information to get hyped about ever again. I think Disney as a company knows that's not a risk worth taking; even being a soulless corporation that doesn't respect their audiences, they do know that audiences don't like being lied to and manipulated. I think it's much more likely that it's just a director talking big game about his own project and never knowing when to back down or shut up, but if ever comes out that Jon didn't have any choice but to speak they way he did, Disney would be in for an unheard-of shitstorm.

[@GalanDun]

If everyone was hard to work with, then everyone would be able to be more honest

[@C.J_the_Goat]

Proof that the remake is souless - - - My wife is a teacher and she told the 1st graders they were going to watch the Lion King, the animated one. A bunch of kids were upset, since they saw the 2019 in theatres and didn't like it. So why should they like the animated? 95% had never seen it. By the end of the animated movie, the kids were in awe. Several had tears in their eyes, they all loved it! The 90s movies hold up, keep giving kids the chance to feel that wonder and awe again.

[@safabekr]

This is a weird perspective to think about. Imagine knowing a movie for its bad CGI version and then growing up to find out about the older, more colorful, more animated version that still functions as a complete and better movie.

[@GippyHappy]

@@safabekrI think there are quite a few movies that people don’t know are remakes, though most of them are live action. Also many movies based on books that aren’t good but then you go and read the book and think “oooh I see why people didn’t like the movie” That’s how I felt with Home 2015

[@safabekr]

@@GippyHappy Oh definitely. That was me with the The Black Cauldron. This comment just put me in the specific mindset of a 7 year old in 2023 for some reason.

[@TisPopRock]

Slightly unrelated, but I remember in third grade when the beauty and the beast remake came out the teacher was asking which beauty and the beast we liked more. Most said the remake was and then ONE kid said they liked the animated one more and several kids booed at them, myself included. Yeah, really wild thinking about it now O-O

[@l_ifeefi_l1998]

The remakes are just low quality production with better gears. Theres no real in depth analysis and thought into making the movies. Also, the video also touches on how the vocal is not complementary to the song and this is repeated in tlm remake. Hallerial sang as if shes doing a strong vocal performance but the meaning of the song was meant to be painful yearning and hope.

[@andginisin]

The plants are so damn lifeless. Such a tragedy. African flora is absolutely fucking incredible and they butchered it

[@strangewigglytuff]

god you know a movies special effects are bad when even the fucking plants look more lifeless than they normally would

[@andginisin]

@@strangewigglytuff looking like the textures didn’t load

[@bananaempijama]

He lives in LA so....

[@yurdadsdad]

That's just about the only beautiful thing to come from that god forsaken continent

[@origamipein18]

How anyone can manage to do that is beyond me!

[@liambrowne3370]

I played Zazu in a high school production, and despite being a stupid teenager with no musical talent, I still did the "If you think-" and "What I meant was" etc with the proper timing. It honestly never even occurred to me then that it was all designed to be timed out that way, and yet I still did it right because that's just what feels natural. It's almost impressive for someone to manage to do it wrong

[@VoidRep]

i think that gives evidence to support the theory proposed that Jon Oliver didnt actually hear the musical number when he was recording his lines

[@throwawayaccount4008]

@@VoidRep Exactly right. Rowan Atkinson's timing is perfect in the song because he clearly recorded his lines whilst listening to the song. I have no idea how John Oliver's lines were recorded, but it certainly wasn't with the backing track! Not to mention, Atkinson never made any mistakes in his enunciation such as "county out". His diction was crystal clear throughout the film, which perfectly demonstrates Zazu's competence and shows how serious and headstrong he is. Meanwhile, John Oliver's constant mistakes depict Zazu as an incompetent buffoon, which doesn't fit the character because it wouldn't make sense as to why Mufasa or anyone else in the pride would trust him in the first place.

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

Bro same. I actually watched the movie a few months after doing the production and couldn’t believe Oliver did that much worse than me.

[@graphitetailgrace3870]

In my school rendition, we didn't even get to use the songs except for Circle of Life. And yet we still gave better performances than these adults.

[@etekweb]

@@VoidRepExactly. Honestly I think that's what explains the "county out" line too. Assuming John Oliver was given the line "count me out" in isolation without music, he probably accentuated each word (like "Count. Me. OUT.") Then the editors had to split the line so it would at least slightly flow with the music. And with that, "Count. Me. OUT." becomes "Count-y OUT."

[@Midnightstar2675]

It was so epic Girl Boss of Shenzi to be manipulated by a crazy old man because he said Beep. I’m so glad they empowered her to be even dumber in this movie, what a feminist icon

[@lukask.3686]

Makes it more realistic thinking about the average feminist's intelligence

[@BurgermanForever-nh2vp]

Trolls really are lazy and weak minded these days lol. Same old simpleton lines- we all know they cant do better 🤣

[@eeyorehaferbock7870]

And that’s what we have now that Whoopi Goldberg is past her prime, folks.

[@mekatora_]

Man, the interviews of the animators from the original movie make me tear up, not just from the nostalgia, but from the juxtaposition of the whimsical passion they had compared to the corporate ego of the 2019 interviews

[@LateNightWendigo]

Because back then, good movies were made by people with a passion for creating art and storytelling. Now it's only about getting asses in the theater seats and raking in the money, it doesn't matter to them anymore if it's a lazy corporate movie with a shit story slapped together for a quick buck. As long as it has the Disney logo on it and some hollywood actors in it, there's gonna be millions of manchildren consooming it.

[@TheZigzagman]

Reminds me of watching Bungie viddocs from Halo 3 compared to the new studio's dev logs. It's embarrassing if nothing else.

[@smokugoku]

I noticed that a good portion of the original interviews show people describing how much they love the film whereas the interviews from the 2019 remake are filled with people explaining why the film is good.

[@NorthernRealmJackal]

@@LateNightWendigo Well "good movies" are still, and always have been, made by "people with a passion for creating art and storytelling". The Disney remakes are just not in that category.

[@mattjindrak]

​@@LateNightWendigosome movies were. Hollywood was pretty damn corporatized in the 90s

[@hannah-hav]

Aslan from Narnia is the perfect comparison. He perfectly conveys emotion yet remains realistic. That small tweak made by the animators could have made a world of a difference.

[@puffythedestroyer8878]

Simba’s cry at Mufasa’s death sounds less like horrified shock, & more like my Siamese reprimanding me for not giving him cat treats.

[@isiscarey]

i bet your cat actually has more stress in it's voice when telling you it's time for treats lmao

[@puffythedestroyer8878]

@@isiscarey He preaches a whole sermon about it.

[@SorowFame]

@@puffythedestroyer8878 I’m imagining him in a little priest costume, it’s adorable

[@Mo__Hamad]

My 2 year old cat made a sadder scream when i was late switching her food XD

[@Teckferret]

part 2 is like YMS's lightsaber. when he's about to leave youtube he'll pull it out randomly for little to no reason other then people to go 'OHHHHH NOSTALGIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

[@InTheMisoLoop]

Imagine you put dozens of hours of time and work into modelling your CGI landscape, and then the director walks over and says "No, thats TOO GOOD, make it more bland" What a world we live in

[@Gabi-vt4ex]

In german we have a saying that goes "warum einfach, wenn es auch kompliziert geht?" which is a bit passive aggressive and basically means "why have it easy when you can have it complicated?". I think John heard this and made it his new mantra

[@fictthecreator7083]

@@Raya-ir4tm i think they’re riffing on how Jon was saying that it’s “easy” for the animators to want to put more character/anthropomorphism into the designs because yeah! Fucking duh! They’re animated rigs, why WOULDN’T you use that to your advantage 😭

[@QueenSoledad]

I’m so glad someone else understands the importance of the triangle. Percussion is something that you don’t necessarily notice when listening, but it’s absence is deafening

[@BradsGonnaPlay]

Soundscapes sell singles. As an audio engineer, one of the biggest problems with “modern rock” bands is their INSISTENCE that the song is done when the 4 band members record their parts (drums, bass, guitar, vocals). It absolutely sells almost any song short by not including percussion or soundscaping.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

Yeah, I really did not appreciate the triangle until Adam put the 2 versions side by side in this video! The difference is wild.

[@Ze_eT]

I haven't even noticed the triangle in other musical pieces like Toreador's March/Song before, but damn do they make it feel better. The LK2019 version doesn't realise that, no matter how small one piece of a puzzle may be compared to the entirety of the puzzle, it doesn't change the fact that without it the puzzle is incomplete. Ironic when considering that they accusing the original soundtrack of being incomplete.

[@DisDatK9]

As a percussionist, I appreciated the recognition. In composition, percussion can really be undersold in the fear that it is “too overpowering.” But we are a whole section - there’s a feeling and place for every instrument. (Also, West Africa music is so percussion centered that it should be an actual crime not to include it.)

[@jaiden3473]

I play percussion myself (piano and drums) and I have to say it completely depends on the genre that you listen to.

[@krangledangle]

Didn’t Hitchcock say something along the lines of “The closer we get to representing reality, the further we stray from expressing art”? Bravo, Favreau.

[@neevko267]

Yeah never got the whole obsessions with hyper realism, the beauty of art comes from how it INTERPRETS reality, not from just straight up copying it

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

Who hired this guy?

[@funnyvideoguy3216]

There does have to be a level of realistic stuff in a movie, because otherwise younger people will get unrealistic expectations, but there's a line where it's just like, nobody cares that the monkey is carrying a stick

[@ExtremeWreck]

And this is why Desert Bus exists.

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@neevko267 Doesn't help that John lives in one of the ugliest looking places on Earth.

[@COOP-m5p]

Scar sounded more concerned for Simba's life during the stampead scene than Mufassa.

[@oswald-kp1bm]

“SIMBA’S DOWN THERE” “Eh? Simba? Who’s Simba?”

[@COOP-m5p]

@oswald-kp1bm Scaar. Help Me. 😠

[@oswald-kp1bm]

@@COOP-m5p "What are you waiting for? HELP me, I don't have all day"

[@St1ckyGrape]

In a way, the 2019 remake is actually the greatest tribute to the original film. It's fundamentally awful and objectively, almost intentionally, worse in every single way, and has made me appreciate the original in ways I had never even considered. Thank you Jon Favreau, you actually made The Lion King so much better, just not in the way you intended.

[@hewh0wearspants]

yeah, seriously, I was 11 when the original came out, pretty much _the_ demographic for it, and at the time I didn't even like it that much. seeing how bad the remake was actually has me looking back like "yo the Lion King was pretty sick, actually"

[@taniaroman5857]

It's very similar with 2019 Cats. Seeing it for the catastrophe it was and how badly they fucked it up, it only made me appreciate the 98 version even more

[@sunlitsonata6853]

Really glad they took inspiration from the 2010 blockbuster classic “The Last Airbender”

[@anonymoussaga8723]

And the fact that it’s the highest grossing animated film is the biggest tribute to how beloved the original film is

[@Rikorage]

Honestly, Hollywood has done this garbage for its entirety, and yet, they find new ways of finding the worst in everything, and having God-Tier marketing to convince the masses that "this isn't that bad, you guys!" Disney gets that pass for most because the rose-tinted glasses are permanently attached (let's say sewn) to the fans, and trying to remove them causes the fanatics pain, so they refuse to acknowledge all the crap they get away with, lest they be reminded of all the bad things they have done over the years, including spiting the man who helped bring about the best Disney movies after this one, who was openly gay, died of AIDS, and his existence is swept under the rug because that doesn't vibe with Disney's "values". They suck, is what I'm saying.

[@Speedojesus]

I am very disappointed in Favreau that unlike real-life, Rafiki didn't brutally devour Simba alive and rip his skin off at Pride Rock like a real primate would've.

[@MollyFC]

Or the other way around, the lion pride ripping the primate to shreds

[@Attmay]

Yeah, they keep moving the goal posts for what constitutes reality because they can’t accept any of it. Favreau is a technocrat. He confuses realism with literalism.

[@songbird7450]

@@MollyFC The Chad Lion King: Simba is born, he and Rafiki immediately kill each other. The end.

[@MollyFC]

@@songbird7450 when can I see this? I want to give it all my money

[@songbird7450]

@@MollyFC In 2043. It will be the hyper-realistic 3D hologram version and the animals won't have facial expressions nor voices, but there will be a lot of hunting, shitting and groaning.

[@BumbleBee-uq4jr]

i’m actually so angry at the clips of people saying animation has ‘come so far’, animation is losing what makes it animation

[@foxsden]

I know! Animation is loosing its charm.. its just sfx now and people act like it’s impressive

[@jskywalker58]

i pretty sure disney made them say that i mean just the way there talking just screams "we were payed to say this"

[@luvamiart8567]

Actually, as an artist I think animation is getting far in examples like Klaus, Arcane, Puss in Boots or Spiderverse. The problem is not the lack of good animation or animation losing something, since in those examples you can see how animation is pushing its limits in a good way, the problem are multi billion studios like Disney not understanding what animation is about, or acting as if animation was lesser or outdated. The problem is Disney as a company.

[@jaybay5538]

@luvamiart8567 Animanimation is more than the visually aesthetic qualities. Look at the rules for Tom and Jerry; Ed, Edd, and Eddie; and Looney Tunes. The characters have to appear "animated", almost exaggerated, to make the motion and emotion and such look fluid. Visually, all mediums have become more stunning. Skyrim was a polished turd that people have nostalgia for because it was visually pleasant despite lack of substance. The new lion king is an animation that lacks "animation". Its visually not bad at all to look at, but its stiff and soulless compared to the 2D stuff of the past.

[@luvamiart8567]

@@jaybay5538 If you think the examples I gave have only visuals as their quality, either you haven't watched them or you don't understand animation. Not to add animation has a wide variety of styles depending on time and country, some more stylized, some more cartoonish, some more cinematic, some more realistic. The original Lion King is way more visual and stunning than Tom and Jerry ffs, you cannot force the animation rules of those cartoons (which are fine, I like them too for what they are), to all animation, or you won't have animation masterpieces like the original Lion King, The hunchback of Notre Dame, Atlantis, Nimona or Spiderverse. Btw, Skyrim is not the best game in history but it's remember for more things than visuals, like the soundtrack, the different jobs, the dragons, the magic and the funny bugs, mods and memes, nostalgia can have more than one factor.

[@ackee39]

honestly this is a great criticism for the new lion king but its also a fantastic analysis of the old one, when broken down like this you can really tell the amount of care they put into it.

[@emmykuna]

As an animal nerd, I’m hoping he’ll address the fact that for all their crying about realism, they’re still very specifically not using lion roars in any of the clips I’ve seen (except maybe the cub sounds?) because they’re not as thematic as other animals. Most lions you hear in film are actually tigers. Seriously, look up lion vs tiger roars. Even some small cats sound more menacing than lions, as a lion’s roar is meant more for traveling long distances.

[@FooPanda]

Spot on; 1994 film used tiger roars too if I recall because they sounded more dramatic

[@erik_arman]

Actually, in the 1994 film the roar sound effects were done by actor Frank Welker, who also voiced Abu in Aladdin. There is even footage on KZbin from the production of him snarling into a trashcan to create the sound of a roaring lion.

[@BronzeAgePepper]

@@erik_arman this sounds either completely believable, by Disney making do at the time and Jim being an amazingly versatile talent, or a clever joke about "tiger roars" by way of Jim also voicing Tigger Edit: well I guess I found out better late than never that it's Frank Welker and not Jim Cummings but I'll leave this comment up for posterity

[@emmykuna]

@@erik_arman I looked it up out of curiosity, because I’d forgotten about that video, and it was actually Frank Welker! You’re right though, I think the majority of the lion sounds were actually human vocals, with the occasional tiger thrown in.

[@Psychobabble6]

oh my god you have to look up lion cub roars. they sound like mewling kittens. like, that high pitched squeaking. some of the older ones sound like puppies. for realism, simba should be squeaking every time he tries to sound intimidating.

[@horrordragon2255]

Apparently the 94 version didn't even use that many real Lion sounds because they were afraid that real lion growls or roars wouldn't fit the emotion of the scenes. So they used a fantastic creature voice actor Frank Welker who did the sounds into a trashcan to get more resonance.

[@amf8648]

Yeah, he awesome! Basically does all types of creatures noises in a bunch of shows and movies! Like Appa from Atla!!

[@DisplayThisOkay]

@@amf8648 You're thinking of Dee Bradly Baker. He's the other guy who was every animated animal noise from your childhood, who basically took over when Frank got older.

[@omarsalem1219]

FRANK WELKER?! As in Megatron and dr claw frank welker was in My all time favourite movie?

[@liliesaregoodfortheliver2954]

@@omarsalem1219 yes. He's also the voice of the leopard, Sabor, in the Disney Tarzan movie.

[@beastmaster0934]

They also used tiger roars.

[@TheAlan136]

Scar looks like roadkill. They found a lion that had been run down by a tank in Africa and recorded it for a few seconds and thought “perfect, this will be our antagonist.”

[@megahobbit5972]

Scar is actually Mufasa after the stampede. Thats what they referenced scar on.

[@Violaphobia]

“Y’know Jon, if we put Scar in the shadows more he’ll look more like the original and it’ll look natural” “… no 😊”

[@djmutt2000]

he should've stayed a throw rug like in Hercules

[@sourdrop]

​@@djmutt2000No, they wouldn't do that because a throw rug would display more emotions than the lions in the movie

[@brandonobaza8610]

​@@djmutt2000I just had a moment. I thought, "I didn't know they referenced Scar in Hercules. I was too old for Disney when that came out, never saw it." Yeah, I was 12 when Hercules released. How miserable was I as a kid, that I thought 12 year old me was "too old"? I must've had the sunny disposition of a Breaker Boy who gets promotions, because he's the sole survivor.

[@UmQasaann]

R.I.P. James Earl Jones

[@jonahbrown5669]

Did James Earl Jones pass away? "yEs"

[@DosieDotes363]

I genuinely love how massively detailed this guy's criticism is. Taking like, five whole minutes on the changing of one note in the opening song... acknowledging just how impactful such tiny decisions can be in story telling, and why, and to what effect... I love this kind of stuff.

[@starkman78]

Ditto. I identify as an overthinker and this guy and Sideways are our patron saints. I’m not even mad that he’s making us wait for Part 2. Let him take all the time he needs to overthink it through. 👍🏽

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

& it's Part 1!!!!!

[@78jujubs]

all out of spite, gotta love the guy lol

[@BionicleFactory]

Same. I love me a Long Man!

[@candych1837]

I watch so many videos like this where the creator says "I could spend hours and hours breaking down every bad thing in this film/show but you probably wouldn't want that" like no, shit like this is my absolute favourite please spend 5 minutes talking about one note being changed

[@rosypython3301]

As an animator, the section were the people on react agreed it was “live action” INFURIATES me. They hired animators to make the entirety of the visuals, it is an animation despite the realistic style. Also trying to pass it off as live action feels like devaluing animation as something lesser.

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

It's from a "Teens react" video. Shockingly, teens are stupid.

[@emeralddarkness]

as an animator that's because that's totally what it is. the animation age ghetto is sadly still alive and well in the states, and it cant be animated because aNiMaTiOn iS jUsT fOr kIdS and this is clearly very serious nostalgia bait for all the adults out there who are far too mature to ever again interact with something so childish. all the live action remakes disney has been doing for a decade are all pretty much the exact same, childhood favorites now repackaged to make them acceptable for adult audiences and it is only furthering this narrative that animation is inherently lesser and making that worse and it makes me real hecking mad

[@sus425]

Because that’s exactly what they’re doing. Infuriating

[@perrilewis180]

I think it's because this movie is essentially the alternates from the Mandela series. It sorta sounds like someone you know it also looks like that person but you know it's not. You don't want to call it animation because that would be like betraying the original that was filled with life and charm and creativity.

[@troin3925]

Dinosaur did the exact same thing yet Disney didn’t market it as live action.

[@warmasterant]

As someone trying to become a traditional animator its very nice to hear people calling out the strange assumption that CG animation is somehow inherently superior

[@cinemaspire7258]

Especially when films like The Red Turtle exists

[@fazmanplayer99]

I find it weird how in the anime community it has a different problem where almost everyone assumes that 3DCG in anime will always be bad

[@trixxartarchive7705]

Personally as someone who both does 2D and 3D animation I can say both can be very good mediums to make animation. And both are very time consuming what I don't like is this push for these films to look real it just saps everything interesting from it especially since they make the characters completely expressionless wich isn't even how real animals act they have emotions obviously not as extreme.

[@dilbophagginz]

Man this video reminds me why YMS is truly one of the GOATs of film reviews. The complete thoroughness of how he dismantled this movie was glorious.

[@Eebers]

the argumwnt that people don't want 2D anymore is exactly like when triple A game developers insisted that people don't want single player experiences anymore, or local multiplayer

[@southxsw]

And then God of War came out and people loved it

[@jondoe7036]

@@southxsw Are we still propping up that game as some sort of poster boy for the point, that did never really need any proving even back then? Honestly to me that particular game exemplifies another symptom with modern triple A gaming, where these ambitions to be narratively all cinematic and "non-gamey" (which seems to have been an approach disproportionately rewarded over the past decade or so within games media) may lead to decline of more ludo-focused forms of storytelling, that are an asset unique to the medium. It also causes GoW4 specifically to come across more than a little bit insecure about its own status as a video game, which I find to be something of a point of comparison with that particular game and this here animated movie playing itself up as if it was a live action...

[@quetzalthegamer]

@@southxsw Also Spider-Man 2018.

[@ericholysword8306]

And pixel art being considered inferior when 3D games were introduced

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

Klaus was so loved too

[@esmeevanheerebeek]

Another problem with the back lighting is that they use it all the time. When they show the front of the animals you can see the fur glow, but when they cut to a different shot and show the back of the animals, you can still see the fur glow. The sun doesn't change its position in the sky when you cut to a different shot. JON!

[@contrast_editing]

I just love that meme..JON!

[@gabby3036]

JON.

[@nnex]

Oh yeah I noticed this and it bothered me

[@esmeevanheerebeek]

​@@nnex annoying, right?

[@uriyahndoesstuff9982]

I like how Simba looks like an impatient kitten screaming for milk when Mufasa died.

[@Sleepgarden]

I remember imagining in your mind Simba giving a little cat "meow!" and it's 10 times funnier

[@aliciacleeland2257]

I thought that too! He didn't look like a cub that witnessed his father's death but rather that he was screaming for Milk.