Comin' Straight Outta Salt Lake - NWA (Nurses With Attitude) | Incident Report 087

[@billharden357]

I'm a Protective Services Officer in a level one trauma Hospital and this whole story just has me furious! Not only did it expose Det. Jeff Payne and Lt. Tracy's corruption and incompantance of law ..oh and the assault on RN Alex Wubbles. It also shinned a light on the Security issues that the University of Utah is faced with ( let's just say a few Officers need some additional training or career paths) it also has brought to light a lot of HIPPA violations .. the attempted illegal blood draw police using their body cams in a patient care area's and a ton of other issues. I agree 100% with the policy change the Hospital put in place with the way they deal with outside law enforcement agencies.. Even if it is a band-aid on a shotgun wound! I just hope the Mayor of Salt lake City takes the correct actions on this matter because Chief Brown can't be trusted after trying to cover the incident up and then coming out and lying about taking action in the first 12 hours... Sorry Chief .. the incident happened over weeks prior to you faking ( I mean taking) any action besides the covering it up action. I hope the DA has a field day with this.. it needs to set a precedent!

[@kaciestarz]

If a patient sees a person of authority mistreat a health care personnel, then a patient is more likely to believe they can do the same. It really is time for a change.

[@NewNurseOver50]

My pharmacist brother recommended your channel and I am so glad he did. Ready for a second career, I am currently back at university working on my RN to BSN. If anything, the Salt Lake City situation has fueled my desire to reach my goal. Yes, nurses are subjected to loads of crap from all sides but being there to protect the patient is priority - no matter what. Having been on the receiving end of both WONDERFUL, truly caring nurses and doctors, (as well as really horrific people in said positions), Nurse Wubbels is an absolute role model.

[@mr.murlock9780]

Man, absolutely addicted to your channel doc! I've recommended it to all all the RNs in my unit here in the bay area.

[@larrysmith2636]

"Conformity is doing what one is told regardless of whether it is right. Morality is doing what is right regardless of what one is told." - Anon

[@unndunn1]

I just found this page a week ago and want to say thank you for having these discussions. Most of us are afraid of the repercussions of talking about what our jobs are really like. I've been a psych RN for 29 years and a Clinical Nurse Specialist in psych for 25 years. I've been punched, kicked, bitten, and had my life and my family threatened. I currently work in a detox where we have been told we are not allowed to call the police. This is a self standing detox, no security, the front door doesn't even lock. If a patient physically attacks a nurse or even another patient we are told to call the risk manager, not 911.

[@RNintheGarden]

I wish the doctors I work for are as transparent and open as you.

[@ellenlewis9860]

Living this channel. Glad I found it.

[@Kahtini]

Not sure if anyone else has stated it, but the 'buffering' for the camera is simply how much the camera will store without having an active command to record. Basically anything prior to that 30 second buffer to when the body cam is activated is lost.

[@deborahlavers6788]

I can see that this nurse was defending her patient. And the truth is that we face these issues everyday. Whether it comes from administration, doctors, other nurse, other patients. And we are the line to protect those who can't protect themselves.

[@DoctorDaveMH]

I've been a Mormon forever. I watched the video and there is nothing that I see in that video that has anything to do with "Mormon culture". Do Mormons respect authority? As a rule, yes, but in many ways they will not simply bow down to authority if something sounds wrong. I don't know if any of the people involved in the video are Mormon, but I could see the same thing occuring tragically anywhere in America. Making associations where none are apparent is lame. Love you, Z , Tom and Logan!

[@lizziebreath9]

I was kind of taken aback by the comment as a lifelong Latter day Saint since the comment about deferring to authority. SLC is one of the least LDS areas in Utah and the people I see around me were just as outraged by the Alex Wubbels case as anyone else. We have a strong libertarian/constitutional conservative culture in Utah county(constitution days all over, everyone has a concealed carry) which has far more Mormons per capita and have a long history of being abused by government, why would we be more compliant? A cop isn't the Bishop and we all know that when we get pulled over. I was warned by my parents as a kid to not argue with the WVC cops or hold anything when they approach you because they were jumpy but that's the extent I was ever told to be compliant and that was to avoid bullet holes in my person. We do tend to have a stigma against lawsuits around here though so that might be a factor in police getting away with things.

[@terrylcoffel6797]

Can we please just have a full 20 minute video of Tom giving any example of clapping back? I cannot stop laughing! 😂😂😂

[@AH-bm4ts]

Detective got fired from his part time EMT job because of his comment about bringing transients to her hospital.

[@fitzrcis]

When I saw this video I immediately told my wife that officer had some beef with that particular RN

[@zibbezabba2491]

I should bloody well think so too.

[@sammyj64]

That clip still makes my blood run cold. And I know I'm way behind here, but I work as an RN at the hospital where this event took place and the organization is very supportive of and protective of all staff. I'd give it a Healthcare 3.0 rating for sure!

[@phoebesweet3664]

I worked in a hospital where many times injured cops were brought in and the whole place was praying and hoping things would be good for the cop and if a cop dies in our ER we are all in tears. I always felt we were fighting the same battles thus brothers in arms to protect the citizens. This video was one of the most disappointing things I've seen in a very long time.

[@exilfromsanity]

Gee Phoebe. I so sorry your little Pollyanna world view got shattered. Wake up, the cops are not your friends.

[@MegaMindyLou]

If it was good policy, why did they change it?

[@Thistledove]

No, I think hospital administrators are very sensitive to HIPPA and SOP's. They are also very sensitive when it comes to employee relations. I am sure when the administrators got wind of this they were horrified on so many levels and from the beginning they supported the nurse. As a nurse, I think that is what went down. So don't think this was an isolated incident. This happen to a nurse in Selma North Carolina in 2012 but their was no camera's. The officer was demoted but that's it.

[@Kinoons]

The policy does seem like a knee jerk reaction to manage everyone instead of managing the exception. It's lazy administration to manage everyone with a broad policy brush instead of dealing with the one person who isn't doing what they're supposed to. That takes effort. What I am disappointed by is the lack of an apology from the specific officer involved.

[@catchtheelements]

I live and work in Salt Lake and while I have never worked in the ED at UMED I have worked at our other trauma center and have transported pt's to and from UMED many times. I remember times in the past when I have been very grateful to have a cop in the ED when we have been threatened by violent pt's or their family members. That said I must say there appears to have been a change in the police community over the last year or two here in SLC. It seems to have started a couple of years ago when a Salt Lake City officer went through a gate into a fenced backyard looking for a lost child. There was a dog in the backyard and when the dog began barking at the "intruder" the cop shot him dead. What makes this even sadder is it was later discovered that the child wasn't missing after all. The owner of the dog filed a complaint against the police department which caused the SLCPD to dig their heels in and behave in a way many in the community saw as belligerent and callous. The police chief eventually was asked to retire over the behavior of his department. This seemed to be the beginning of strained relationships between the SLCPD and the community. The interesting thing is the cop in question in the UMED incident last month is also an EMT for our local ambulance company, Gold Cross. He has worked as a care provider. Some eye witnesses on the scene say the officer was getting direct pressure over the radio from his superior to arrest Alex Wubbels if she didn't comply with the blood draw. If that is true then a portion of the blame must be placed on the supervisor. Regardless, I miss the days of sitting around the nurses station shooting the b.s. with the cops and the firefighters. Those days seem gone forever.

[@phoebesweet3664]

Watch the full video and its clear the arresting officer was acting in tandem with the department. The guy showed up (faster than hospital administrators to my dismay) and tried to coerce her to admit she was the one in the wrong and went even further by threatening one of the male nurses (seemed like her supervisor or charge nurse) that he will tell his department to bring only the homeless, and other unfavorable patients to that hospital and that they will be bringing patients with insurance and such to other hospitals. A really insane threat. I feel like that's the guy that ordered her arrest and that's the guy who needs a big slap.

[@catchtheelements]

Looked up the full video about 10 minutes ago. Now I'm even more upset. Officer Payne is obviously not the only officer involved here, which is kind of what I suspected. Also, this "we will take all the insured pt's to X and only bring the transients to you" game is a game the cops here in SLC have been playing a lot lately. Same threat was made to a friend at my hospital a couple of months ago.

[@Chelmsman]

What did the police need a blood sample for that would be relevant in a patient who has been hospitalized for such a long time? This retired R.N. would like to know.

[@nursepinup5427]

Love that you are bringing awareness to WE HAVE THE NUMBERS, MOST TRUSTED PROFFESSION, HIGH MORAL FIBER ❣

[@beaubritton4362]

These are the times when restraints are used, physical restraints. I have seen many patients that are restrained, because the nurses want them to be seen. One guy, he was tall and muscled, had restraints on each limb, and a chest restraint. I heard a bunch of noise, and this restricted guy comes walking out of his room with the bed still attached to his body. I was thinking, looks like the hospital is going to lose a gurney.

[@splashesin8]

I can't actually "see" the video, so I am curious about how she was assaulted during the arrest?

[@cherylcarlson3315]

Audrey Sims go to USA Today to see the clip

[@TheCatsMe00w]

I mean he grabbed her and forced her outside the building. That's assault.

[@chiledoug]

get a clue shill

[@friendlystranger167]

Standard bum's rush. See on any W.C Fields film.

[@woo9194]

What didn't make sense to me was that if they already knew that they needed a warrant (because they've done this before) why didn't they do that first and avoid all the bullshit?

[@glenysdunford819]

I love your uploads, this Nurse is awesome, we need more here in UK too

[@splashesin8]

I wondered if the arrest was encouraged, to actually prevent her from being fired by corporate. It takes her out if the equation of being fired for going against administrative policy. There's no way corporate can pull that card in her and cover their asses now.

[@splashesin8]

If and on. ios irritates me to no end with the i o switch.

[@jennifergudmundson2277]

I could kiss you for standing up for us nurses consistently!! Not a lot of doctors do. 😘

[@VenusInCancer01]

Compassion is the bread and butter of healthcare. Nurses are supposed to go into nursing because it’s “Gods work.” I’m proud of Nurse Webbles response.

[@fitzrcis]

Zdogg as a 25+year cardia Cath lab RN I have been pulled over at least 8 times, doing 15mph over the speed limit in the hiway, on the way to the hospital for a STEMI patient, and only once has the officer let me go. Thay being said every single time the judge has dismissed the case. So maybe that get out of jail card only works for women RNs

[@caroldalporto8153]

I'm a little late with a comment but speaking as an ICU nurse, the cop should have shown up with a warrant, and checked with the front desk first, stating why he was there. He bullied her while cuffing her. His voice was chilling and it was obvious he was mad at her supervisor.

[@jessicaclark2224]

Always love what you have to say about Compassion. Thank you for keeping us balanced.

[@nathanward4899]

The local drunk tank sends EMTs out with body cams, and the medical director can in fact view any footage recorded. My friend had his footage reviewed before he got a signature to apply for his EMT-2 (a little lower than an EMT-A, we're slow in alaska)

[@jenniferberry120785]

Dude they were the last to recognize it. Also they will be allowed in when needed. Did you not read that they will work through each situation? Yes there is a connection and that is why patients often get mistreated coming from the hospital. There were like 3 officers that did wrong. It was not just only Jeffery Payne. Also doctors deserve the respect as well.

[@raemcmillan9881]

Right(to the bit about having to earn compassion)?!! What if our patients had to earn our compassion? That’s just ridiculous. Compassion isn’t about you.

[@witchdoc5075]

Just now seeing this for some reason, but yes, I wear a body camera at work. And yes, there is a 2 minute buffer when I hit record. It is mine, I have been asked to give footage to admin, but I have refused with zero push back (that I know of!).

[@taylorcwimberly]

What state? What does your company policy say about recording devices on the premises?

[@jenniferberry120785]

This whole story is a HIPPA violation to all patients in that patient care area. Not just the patient that Alex was protecting. Honestly the police should have to check in and do this.

[@joellekhan9643]

I love your songs!!

[@crazybros581]

We have no choice other than to go back to work...our patient needs us.

[@brettwhaley9659]

The detective was obviously wrong, but officers are too important to hospital personnel to ban them for one man's actions. - Brett Whaley, MSN, RN, ACNP-BC

[@phillipwombacher9635]

Brett Whaley I disagree I’m my experience as a travel nurse police often cause more problems than they solve also they almost without exception harass my female colleagues and CNA’s

[@kathryngunther8777]

Do you think the actions of the police would have been different if it was a male nurse?

[@jenniferholden9397]

I also think that the negative (mostly male) comments are because she was a woman not deferring to a man, i.e. She brought it on herself by resisting and screaming.

[@thegreaseboys3263]

i highly doubt that this coward would have the balls to try and manhandle a male nurse like that. it's clear that his ego got the better of him because he was being told no by a woman.

[@stephanier.tinney343]

Kathryn Gunther yes. For sure

[@jennifercalhoun7931]

Bahahaha! Professional SHOULD always say balls, dick and taint!

[@LaSmoocherina]

Let's write a Bill/Law that combines #UtahNurse AND #SilentNoMore. The charge would be "Removing a healthcare worker from the line of duty." Be that by a violent act OR by an arrest. We should be able to hand off patient report even if arrested. Lives are at stake. People get arrested if they interfere with an investigation or a firefighter. Why not healthcare. And guaranteed, if a doctor was in surgery, he wouldn't get pulled away mid-surgery to be arrested. Why is a nurse on a burn unit any less important! And if you injure a healthcare worker, it interrupts their ability to do their job. It should be up to the healthcare worker if we should PRESS CHARGES. But let's make it about the OTHER patients in our care.

[@cherylcarlson3315]

I used to be able to ACT therapeutic so easily but NEVER forget. Go into cardiac arrest in front of me and see if I forgive. Now have been told scary eyes and saying "really?" is confrontational. Well duh.

[@drawspikachu]

no we see the smoker and go, "oh good, job security, guess i'll be seeing him soon"

[@AngS22]

Look at KSL.com Today the ambulance company which the police officer in question worked part time was fired. There's another article from the the mayor about this that was published today. I work for the U of U Healthcare as a Nurse Care Manager. We have gotten two separate emails from the top brass from U of U Health about this situation.

[@iamatoaster2693]

Police: What we did was legal. This was implied consent and nothing else. What she did was disobey a direct order from a police officer. We have the law on our side. What do you have? Hospital Administration: HIPPA and enough money to keep very good lawyers on retainer just for such an occasion.

[@kristiewommack2635]

My ER collegues and I would probably all end up arrested. #squadgoals #weintroublegirl #calltheACLU

[@chiledoug]

Ok as I commented on your other vid My daughter is A Utah Highway Patrol trooper with a medical background I sent her the last video

[@chiledoug]

just sent her this one

[@chiledoug]

The thing is I used to live in Utah and p always found Utah police very respectful. even when I was arrested OUCH No seriously never had any problems with them..

[@lestrella1016]

I agree exactly about Samaritan's Purse. I'm not happy about the religious aspect HOWEVER, I have a friend in NY along Island, who lost her home from Irene and then again the following year from Sandy. She said Samaritans Purse directly helped them and others like them who were affected. So I therefore donated to them through a link from my friend who knows how it feels to lose everything.

[@phillipwombacher9635]

No the majority of the time I have police in my unit they’re either being needlessly hostile or sexually harassing my CNA’s and I’m a travel nurse so I’ve been all over the country. There needs to be a culture change within our departments with heavy handed oversite

[@maggieg771]

As an Rn & then an Np-C, I’ve been direspected SO many times when my patients 9r there families so many times. because I wouldn’t bring them Dilala ( I goes w/ the territory. SO GLAD to be retired! I lived in fear that I’d lose my license- whether it had to do w/ overmedicating or not ordering them “”Dilalah”. I loved my profession! That said, I didn’t want to lose my license or go to prison. I’m too short for prison!

[@maggieg771]

I worked in the Memphis Trauma 1 unit. I see both sides of the question. We darn sure needed them! OTHOH, they’d go into our break room & steal the leftovers we brought from home so we we didn’t have to order out. I was so pissed when I saw an Officer eating my lunch. I told the Head Nurse I was never coming back until this malarkey was fixed! I won!

[@MrCrocodog]

Don't let the clickbait titles spike your cortisol. They do that to aid snack advertising.

[@startastictime3529]

I had heart she was the charge nurse. Meaning the patients could have been at risk. I was a CNA for a long time and I got my ass kicked by patients all the time. (nursing home).

[@humanhunter2322147]

Law enforcement serve the employing-class and the State. They're no friends of workers. The entire history of the labor movement calls that mistaken. Solidarity with Nurse Wubbels. IU610, IWW

[@samb123078]

Officers have to turn in their weapons, cuffs, and pepper spray. And they have to sign in into triage. I had no idea this was not the norm else where. Granted, I work at a psych hospital and have trained psych techs to protect me. Law enforcement is usually only called in on discharge if they are on probation.

[@nursepinup5427]

ZDogg COMPASSION that's what makes you an exceptional MD

[@janineroberts3009]

What the hell is the comment with the “LDS culture” affecting the events leading up to this event? I don’t understand how this correlated at all.

[@TheYipYee]

I agree that restricting officers from patient care areas is extreme, but two facts make me think that it was necessary at this hospital: 1) Nurse Wubbels stated that her motivation for coming forward was that other nurses had been regularly harrassed by police and nothing had been done. This incident is not a single outlier, it's part of a pattern. 2) A month after this event, no significant action had been taken against this officer or his supervisor, another reason Wubbels had to come forward. The saying is, "one bad apple spoils the bunch" and in any cohesive, hierarchical system this is true. The Salt Lake City police have a systemic discipline problem and, until they correct it, the hospital has to protect their employees and patients. tl;dr: "This is why we can't have nice things" -- Salt Lake City Police

[@larrysmith2636]

Most interesting. As I understand it, the court has ruled that it is not the responsibility of the police to serve and protect the public, but to serve and protect the public interest. See Black's Law Dictionary.

[@eruth7883]

I'm going to start taking my steth everywhere I drive lol

[@ChadwickVonGriffindorIII]

Following an illegal order is on the Detective.

[@TxNursePatti]

I haven't had a speeding ticket since 2006. *Stethoscope Power*

[@evenbet9603]

"Brothers and sisters in blue." (?) What have you been smoking?

[@britanicalee]

Wow...I like ZDoggMD but that other guy back there defining "clap back"... No. Great channel but he kind of ruins it for me 🙄 Also that's not what clap back means. So good job being offensive and incorrect

[@larryehrlich8702]

Check out "LEO Round Table" on KZbin. Find out what the retired Cop's think about this situation.

[@MissMagnoliaLove]

Great 👍 video

[@SGRODmaster]

Thing is Z, when the victim or people in authority start talking about forgiveness or compassion, the perpetrator isn't going to suffer the consequences they should, and the changes that need to happen likely won't. And let's be honest, only certain groups of people who act criminally are the recipients of this good will and compassion, which isn't fair to everyone else.

[@gigis731]

My doctor would put those guys in their place and he's a black from St Lucia .

[@spaceycasey871]

Cursed Nurse of all who shall not pass (a patient had a different way of saying that to me last year, hypernatremic/CHF/edema-lesions legs, So I guess you could say that he was actually ""salty""", and we were busting at the seams ..well, figuratively I thought it was pretty clever.. I was laughing ..really out of all the slang that's really recent that's actually pretty good one.

[@ellenlewis9860]

Regular people?!??! RN 😂

[@susanbrown7185]

17:38 to 18:55 ❤️ classic moral injury .. 🤓🧐💩

[@kimismith10]

As a nurse, Mormon, and a fan of your show-your comments about Mormonism are generalized and untrue. I would love for you to do a little more research about the culture in Salt Lake. I am literally the only Mormon nurse at my job and I would’ve had the same reaction as this nurse. Respect and bowing down to authority and are two VERY different things. Still love your show- but do some more research before you speak up. Thanks!

[@larrysmith2636]

WUBBELS! WUBBELS! WUBBELS! WUBBELS! WUBBELS! SALUTE!

[@donaldslayton2769]

#soulcrushing

[@johnmerriam7844]

Zdogg!!!