Zelensky’s political reckoning & quitting the intrusive ECHR - The Week in 60 Minutes | SpectatorTV

[@advocate1563]

A privilege to hear Lord Sumption speak as always (pretty much saved me during Covid as I watched the world lose critical faculties). Miriam Cates is an extraordinary MP. Clear thinker, clear communicator, and can make things happen. Much trated by gender critical females and mums for her stance on "what is a woman".

[@rioswim3234]

I have enormous respect for Jonathan Sumption!

[@remainertears]

Jonathan Sumption's voice is simply beautiful, hypnotic and mesmerizing.

[@LuisCarruthers]

I totally agree. This is what perfectly spoken English sounds like.

[@stirlingmoss9637]

True but tautological

[@monsieurgrigny]

Of all the people worth listening to, Lord Sumption is tops. Best show of the week by a country mile.

[@o00nemesis00o]

Ditch the ECHR and ditch the Supreme Court while we're at it.

[@froggiewrench1]

Let's go ECHR

[@philipclemoes9458]

Oh yes i remember Lord Sumption, he was the hero of Lockdowns, saved our sanity. I also remember Dominic Greive, not so fondly but again he is batting for the side of keeping us under the iron grip of the Brussels dictatorship.

[@mokeboi3328]

Sumption is giant of reason and fairness. More of him in the public square please.

[@galaxytrio]

Quite.

[@andylewis7360]

Quite so

[@allisononeill7838]

Loving Lord Sumption. He is brilliant.

[@liamhemmings9039]

I could listen to Sumption all day long, his analysis and explanation of complex issues are beyond compare. It was very nice to see such a thoughtful and temperate debate between Sumption and Grieve. It is very refreshing to see a discussion rather than a lot of trash talking.

[@GordonCooperPiano]

I thought both were perfect gentlemen, the best of British really. A credit to themselves and to our nation.

[@anonnemo2504]

Yes, a measured and courteous exchange of views came as a breath of fresh air to me too. Mr. Grieve speaks of trust, however. After his determined efforts to thwart the will of the people over Brexit in the last parliament, how can anyone place much trust in anything he says? Re the substance of the discussion, the prisoner's voting rights issue, when the UK ignored the verdict of the ECHR, demonstrates that we may remain a signatory to the convention and ignore any of its verdicts with which our government disagrees. Other nations regularly ignore its judgments too and the entire apparatus of the EU, its council, commission, parliament and civil service is not subject to the jurisdiction of the ECHR, though the Lisbon Treaty of 2007 stated that it must be. Whether we should leave the ECHR or stay with it has become a much larger issue than it ever should have been.

[@harold4506]

Grieve is a traitorous nazi.

[@SepulchreBrit]

Sumption has just released his final book on the Hundred Years’ War too- a tour de force

[@andys1333]

Poland and Humgary have no issue with policing borders and controlling illegal economic migrant whilst in the ECHR. Our leaders lack the backbone to work within existing legal options.

[@filthychav776]

It's not that they lack backbone. It's that they have NO INTENTION of controlling it. They, and the interests they represent, want it. Anything they say about controlling it in either its legal or illegal form is designed only to convince voters that someone is listening. They aren't listening and they hold even their own supporters in contempt. Check out what Peter Sutherland said about the 'duty' European leaders have in relation to destroying the e*hnic and national homogeneity of European countries. THAT is what they are doing. Their words are meaningless.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

We must leave all institutions that are hostile to the wellbeing of the UK. We must leave the ECHR. If the EU wishes to continue to damage itself by remaining in it, that is up to them. We should not remain in it because the EU may wish to damage us because we refuse to do so. It is another example of why we had to leave the EU in the interest of our own nation.

[@catherineallinson8562]

Thank you for giving airtime to Dominic Grieve - I'd forgotten what a casual slimebag he was and it is good to be reminded of it. Sumption is a national treasure and his intellectual firepower exceeds Grieve - so I suppose we can acknowledge that Grieve was prepared to debate Sumption. Still given what we know of politicians' arrogance, I'm not sure that is a big plus.

[@hezkyden]

There's no need for gratuitous abuse of Grieve. The discussion was a very civilised affair between the two men involved but your comment spoiled the engendered civil tone.

[@neilrobson3064]

Listen to yourself. Hurling popcorn insults on a chat bar….

[@helenn6061]

​@@hezkydenno Grieve had that understated air of "how can you be so crazy" hysteria. He acted like Sumption was talking out of his arse, when he is making perfectly rational legal arguments based squarely within national sovereignty - as calm and collected an area of constitutional law as you can imagine!

[@AntPDC]

Grieve is a traitorous little sleazeball who couldn't wait to use parliamentary misbehaviour and lawfare to block the result of a nationwide referendum. His hypocritical prating about "democracy" here was nauseating in the extreme.

[@jdg9999]

He is a nasty little globalist

[@johnmiller7755]

It’s transparently obvious that Grieve is desperate, like a lot of Tories, to rejoin the EU. His main argument for remaining in the ECHR is that other countries, seeing the major power that is the UK, would then leave, would set a bad example and encourage them to relapse and become horrible cesspits again. A modern British politician would normally avoid this sort of argument like the plague. But Grieve is so desperate and his arguments so flimsy, this is what he resorts to. Mr Sumption as always is wise and logical in his views and Grieve looks like a naughty schoolboy in comparison.

[@colinelliott5629]

I see Dominic Grieve is as arrogant and wrong as ever. He exemplifies the kind of people who've brought us to the appalling situation in which we find ourselves.

[@anonnemo2504]

Mr. Grieve speaks of trust. After his determined efforts to thwart the will of the people over Brexit in the last parliament, how can anyone place much trust in anything he says? He certainly, through his success in helping make no deal illegal, thereby tying the hands of our negotiators, guaranteed the UK a sub-optimal Brexit. Re the substance of this discussion, the prisoner's voting rights issue, when the UK ignored the verdict of the ECHR, demonstrates that we may remain a signatory to the convention and ignore any of its verdicts with which our government disagrees. Other nations regularly ignore its judgments too and the entire apparatus of the EU, its council, commission, parliament and civil service is not subject to the jurisdiction of the ECHR, though the Lisbon Treaty of 2007 stated that it must be. Whether we should leave the ECHR or stay with it has become a much larger issue than it ever should have been.

[@colinelliott5629]

@@anonnemo2504 Blair made our courts subservient to the ECHR, and because our courts are willing and able to decide against the government, we are more affected than most countries. We're talking here about application of law to an individual case, which then becomes a precedent, but as Sumption says, the legislature should decide the law, and change it if necessary, not the court, as the ECJ is now doing.

[@andylewis7360]

@@colinelliott5629To me, the main issue is that our political class has forgotten how to legislate because it’s just done as it’s told for the past forty years. We need to teach every MP and senior Civil servant exactly how our constitution is arrived at and what leeway this confers upon legislators.

[@Lord_Saruman]

Another person added to the list of [don't want to hear from them ever again] - Iain Dale -

[@JD83000]

The host is a class act 🫡

[@SamSamSamSamSam]

Iain Dale is such a melt, real Blairite in his views

[@LuisCarruthers]

He thinks the way conservatives can win is by totally destroying everything they stand for.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

Gaibois, other childless & atheists don't care about the future after they're gone

[@Lord_Saruman]

his comments on masking were mega cringe, what a loser -

[@lawrenceplatzky8639]

Fits perfectly with ghastly LBC. Not a real Conservative at all. Spineless and nonsensical

[@andylewis7360]

Heh! Quite right

[@wgascoigne6538]

Always a pleasure to hear Lord Sumption speak, Europe make the rules only we adhere to them.

[@StephenSeabird]

Agree, but I'm afraid a range of people in Britain now feel that our human rights cannot be trusted in the hands of our recent choices for Home Secretary.

[@macmcc3201]

Brilliant Jonathan

[@londicardona]

The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance. It's obvious we are headed for hyperinflation,it is always the poor who take the hit.

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[@anonnemo2504]

Mr. Grieve speaks of trust. After his determined efforts to thwart the will of the people over Brexit in the last parliament, how can anyone place much trust in anything he says? Re the substance of the discussion, the prisoner's voting rights issue, when the UK ignored the verdict of the ECHR, demonstrates that we may remain a signatory to the convention and ignore any of its verdicts with which our government disagrees. Other nations regularly ignore its judgments too and the entire apparatus of the EU, its council, commission, parliament and civil service is not subject to the jurisdiction of the ECHR, though the Lisbon Treaty of 2007 stated that it must be. Whether we should leave the ECHR or stay with it has become a much larger issue than it ever should have been.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Interesting to hear that Ian Dale thought not wearing a mask on the underground was not about the safety of the MP but about setting an example. Another demonstration that they knew for a great deal of time that the lock down rules were irrational and unscientifically arrived at.

[@SmileyEmoji42]

It infuriates me whenever I hear someone defending undemocratic institutions or leaders because they think that they are doing OK at the moment. Apart from military coups, every dictatorship ever, started with people accepting, or even encouraging, undemocratic lawmaking.

[@zachariah4853]

Extremely relieved to hear Dominic Grieve thinks the call to leave ECHR will go nowhere - he said the same thing of leaving EU!

[@BrianSinai]

Why speak to Mr Dale when there are so many actual Conservatives you could have talked to?

[@helenn6061]

Imagine being on this show in Late Sept 2023 and trying to shame someone for not having worn a mask. What an embarrassment.

[@swissjackie]

Lord Sumption makes some excellent points. 👏

[@jdg9999]

Why are half of the Tory party opposed to conservatism?

[@hezkyden]

Suella Braverman says that homosexuals should not be allowed rights to asylum in the UK, automatically. Iain Dale is homosexual and he is invited to come on the Speccie, a supposed 'conservative' magazine, to speak about the Home Secretary's speech about immigration. Surprise, surprise, Dale finds her remarks 'offensive'.

[@davidrenton]

I'm Gay and she's right, firstly most are lying , secondly why should they receive preferential treatment. at this rate, it seems the entire Muslim and African world is full of Gay men, ISIS would have had their work cut out for them

[@mister_bojangles]

Grieve makes my skin crawl like no other politician can

[@plweis7203]

We need to leave the ECHR yesterday! Grieve is an embarrassment

[@roamingism]

Does anyone else have an aversion to Dominic Grieve? He makes me nauseous.

[@cecilefox9136]

Lord Denning said that the European laws were flooding into England like a tsunami!😢

[@sue.F]

Ian Fleming has a fascinating history, I had no idea of his comprehensive involvement in the establishment of the CIA or that he was so integral to WWII naval intelligence. Looking forward to this book.

[@darrenmcmellon8575]

We already have an equivalent to the ECHR within our own existing laws

[@galewhite9723]

Grieve said just what i expected him to say.....it s rubbish as usual

[@notmyrealname9032]

Grieve, like a lot of his types, are more concerned about the rights of foreigners and other countries and puts these before the rights of native Brits. He should leave UK politics and go and work for Amnesty or a similar crooked charity.

[@TheDailyGroov]

I see Dominic hasn't changed 1 bit. If's and buts..... sometimes I'm amazed he even manages to leave his house in the morning if he has the same approach to his everyday life.

[@nickscott6139]

Nicholas Shakespeare is brilliantly entertaining.

[@iconicon5642]

Reputational consequences - who gives a fig about what people like Grieve think?

[@DerekKerley-qg7iq]

The LibDemer Ian Dale is not happy…

[@TessaTickle]

Mr Dale, we're talking about a boundary, immigration. People *should* be talking about lines, who gets in and who doesn't. Your feelings are irrelevant. That Mrs Braverman's speech offends you pleases me. There's way too many feelings being allowed into this debate. It's time to get emotions out of this discussion.

[@petermitchell6348]

Obviously, Dale DIDN'T watch the speech!

[@skymanifest8339]

He has his regime media paycheck and Twitter's opinion to worry about. It's mind blowing to think that this is considered conservatism opinion in 2023.

[@martynwebber]

Reasoning civilly together even though in opposition. How refreshing.

[@christopherdew2355]

I don't think Jonathan's position is a minority view outside the Westminster bubble.

[@WilliamBrown-yl8tt]

Lord Sumption's shirt is fantastic. Great cuffs

[@Ichioku]

Turnbull & Asser I expect.

[@colinelliott5629]

Once again, i hear the statement (by Dale) that members chose Truss. NO THEY DIDN'T; MPs did, rejecting better candidates from the usual limited field. Members rejected Sunak, leaving Truss by default (reminiscent of May's appointment).

[@chrisnicholson1088]

Grieve...Arch remain voter which is fair enough..but he does come across as a fifth columnist he definitely was in 2016 and still appears it. Undemocratic.

[@viesia8]

What a brilliant debate between two brilliant minds. As a lay person, I really appreciated it.

[@nickwalsworth7650]

ECHR ruled that as a matter of fact, “vaccination during an epidemic” was considered a typical example in drafting Article 8’s public health limitations and a legitimate rationale for the interference - allowing mandates to over rule bodily autonomy, Yet bizarrely in the ruling never questioning the convenient change in the definition of "vaccine" away from a requirement to curtail spread? Ergo Websters, wikipedia (or UN ), seemingly can rewrite our rights at will, with a simple swap of meaning.

[@exebit9366]

Best of many excellent take on this problem.

[@davebarbadillo]

The Strasbourg court has made it extemely difficult to participate in operations...in Afghanistan or Iraq. What, the illegal disaster caused by UK invasion over 20 years ago? 18:11

[@igreen4726]

It is a pity that someone less odious and untrustworthy than Grieve could not be found to debate Lord Sumption. Grieve's behaviour in playing to the gallery in the EU after Brexit was close to treachery.

[@QwentyJ]

Treachery, ffs. Please use words pertinent rather than hyperbolic

[@martyn8116]

How much time must we waste pontificating about the ECHR? These politicians won't do it. FPTP guarantees the political class will continue to dominate and ignore us.

[@malehumanperson7901]

It would be the same without FPTP. Look at the AfD in Germany.

[@martyn8116]

@@malehumanperson7901 Germany still uses the post-WW2 system imposed by the Allies. The system is unique, and rigged to share power between 3-4 big parties. Possibly the worst example of PR, bar Italy, you could've used. AfD have their first Major and 21% in polls, but they now have to navigate a complex national voting system split between regions, parties, FPTP & PR. Again, bad example. People vote differently under FPTP & PR. Mainly because, whereas each vote matters under PR, a large perentage of votes under FPTP are wasted. The last PR vote in UK was the 2019 European Elections: 30.5% - Brexit Party - 29 MEPs 19.6% - Lib - 10 13.7% - Lab - 8 Compare to 2015 GE: 36.7% - Con - 330 30.4% - Lab - 232 12.6% - UKIP - 0 The only people who cling on to FPTP are tribal Tories/Lab supporters. There's zero logic to it, which is why all the ex-colonies dropped FPTP as soon as they could.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

​@@martyn8116 Be careful what you wish for, Muslims outnumber the Northern Irish, Welsh & Cornish combined, (and will soon outnumber Scots), & PR will lead to the creation of their own party who will always swing enough seats to either be kingmakers of each & every coalition government or at least mean large & permanent concessions, in law, will be made solidifying those changes to our country that are already offensively accepted de facto, child genital mutilation, public health burdensome inbreeding, islamic blasphemy laws, economic & political corruption etc.

[@MrDavidht]

Grieve is a rabid remainer/rejoiner.

[@peterdockerty8077]

Dale and Balls more New Labour and my god the haters and sneering from them was offensive to the majority of the UK population and using a former Tory Dale who is actually of the soft left. You and Dale helped to oust 2 PMs and still enjoy laughing at Truss. Sickening so please enjoy your party at the Labour conference

[@seanpidduck]

That comment about will the members regret voting for Truss Lmao they're absolutely fuming that they've been ignored and they will remind you when they get chance Spectator are full blown blairite now

[@WW2warcrimestrials]

Hearing Lord Sumption called by his first name by a young reporter seemed to me rather odd. But is it I who am out of step?

[@irenelancaster3242]

Don’t worry. In Israel pupils call teachers by their first name. It’s simply a warm way of talking. And just think of some of the Lords and Ladies we have floating around, not to mention princes!

[@Cdarlosfletch58]

Why can’t someone be honest about Ukraine 🇺🇦 it’s over the loss of Ukraine life is staggering !

[@stephensampson9208]

Julian Assange case

[@skymanifest8339]

Watching Speccie TV is like a glimps into a parallel world of cobweb covered cucumber sandwiches. You just haven't got a clue as to what's happening outside the Wesminster bubble.

[@libertasdemocratiam887]

Depends on who the guests are.

[@andylewis7360]

Quite so. The whole lot of them need to be lassoed and dragged to the middle of the Peak District and left to find their own way home

[@davidrenton]

i do feel the spectator is like granny trying to understand social media and goes on about the 'youspace' and the 'cyberwebs'. I'd imagine they just all talk to the same people, who have a very narrow political mindset, and is like trying to explain to King Charles about what makes a good night on the piss. It's just not in their world, they are in a slightly different dimension, that's detached from reality.

[@tobias1075]

Dominic argument uses I think and I feel far to much. Clearly has bias in this as to admit the echr is bad would mean he would have to admit the legislation he helped construct is pointless.

[@gilllondon8617]

Gosh. Ian is looking particularly Mick Lynch-ish today.

[@rogerflack415]

Kemi for me.

[@davidadiwego4608]

Oh. Ian Dale. I'm out

[@LS-xs7sg]

My main concern is the long term survival of my people as a relatively coherent ethno-cultural group. Universal human rights fundamentally undermine the ability of a Nationstate to draw an arbitrary line between those who belong and those who do not. And between evolutionarily adaptive behaviour and nihilistic self worshipping behaviour. We need to build a theory of rights which is rooted in our tradition and our being.

[@skymanifest8339]

You're barking up the wrong tree here, lad. This is the Speccie. They don't do ethno-culturalism. They'd sell their mothers down the Thames for GDP and the "respectable" approval of the north London chatterati. Conservatives that conserve nothing.

[@andylewis7360]

Our constitution provides this but our current political class is simply too ignorant to realise the leeway that it bestows.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@andylewis7360 Not all of them are stupid. I think New Labour realised that the deeper they imbedded the culture and structures of international human rights and U.S style institutions (like the Supreme Court) the more complicated it would be for a future government to change things. But yes theoretically a Parliamentary majority can do what it wants. Our problem is that the Tories are just neo-liberals who occassionally make rhetorical noises to make themselves look conservative every election.

[@andylewis7360]

@@LS-xs7sg I can’t argue with that. No, they’re not stupid at all. Far as I’m concerned our current Conservative party is neo-Blairite / Globalist in ideology ( if it has any ideology at all, apart from picking meat off the bones of The British Empire’s corpse ). The fact remains, they DO have the wherewithal to do as the population wishes. They just choose to wring their hands and make excuses.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

The MPs provided the Party Members with 2 undesirable candidates then blamed the Party Members for picking the "wrong one". If it was entirely up to the Party. neither Truss or Sunak would have been in the last 2.

[@andylewis7360]

Totally agree. Why would anyone be a member of that party? They simply do whatever they want. In this case, promote a bloke from a back room in number 11 to PM with improper haste

[@libertasdemocratiam887]

The UK doesn't have UK or GB on stamps, because we made the stamp system. Why are we in any human rights treaties or bodies when this country founded the foundation documents and laws that made human rights? With regard to NI absolutely not we should mot leave NI behind, the good Friday agreement can be chnaged. We wouldn't be diverging all that much from the current rules in the treaties, the only thing would change is illegal immigration/asylum. I'd be happy to bet my right arm that many in the Republic of Ireland would happily have their own bill of rights to deal with the biggest issue human rights has caused, illegal immigration. Asnfor Braverman Ian Dale is way off point. The public absolutely support what Braverman said thenother day, it IS a western porblem! It is not extreme nor racist nor homophobic to stay what she said. Those wo can't fathom tha someone who loves in Iran being a woman and being gay is not the same as it is Jordan, where the state doesn't punish homosexuality but memebersnof the public may still discriminate, that's not the same things and should not be treated as such. Lesbian's and gay's in the UK did not wake up one day with the freedom to live their lives with another consenting adult of the same sex, without the threat of the state interference. That ability to live like that was fought for by many for many decades,even as far back as the 1800's. The same can be said for all common law rights that translate into what is now caled himan rights. The UK didn't just wake up to the bill of rights 1688, blood was shed for centuries for us to get to that point. Human rights do not work when the countries who want to be part of it don't really want them nor do their people. The only countries that have really embraced human rights are the eastern bloc who had enough of tyranny andlooking to the west of europe wanting ther freedom. India isn't all tha interested, many African nations are not interested, bar Jordan and Israel themiddle east is not interested, not even Japan is on board with them either. China, enough said. Even some of monarchs realms are not signed up to them. Why on earth does the counry that wrote the rule book on common law aka human rights, need to be part of a treaty lushing what our country made? Why are we taking orders from judges in countries that foldedt the nazis and had to be forced into stopping their slave trades?

[@jdg9999]

The text of the convention is worthless too. E.g. the free speech protections have so many exceptions that they are worthless.

[@j4mm3d]

Remember when Liz Truss's policies were so bad because of the bond market reaction that the cost of government debt had risen to 4%? It's currently over that at 4.5% and nobody cares. I wonder why.

[@neilrmartin1984]

I think you're on the wrong channel

[@petesmith5124]

@@neilrmartin1984?

[@froggiewrench1]

Go Sumption for common sense and reason. Always bang on the money. Called out much of Nanny State's nonsense diktats during the great Covvie saga era, too. You are up there with Scruton.

[@DrEO86]

Iain Dale is a liberal

[@jenniferfranklin9382]

Interesting that the cutaways to the lab robots at 05:00 are filmed in the Bayes Centre in Edinburgh Uni. A building shared by Nasa and Huawei.

[@daspallacommunity4594]

I used to enjoy Ian Dale's excursions into podcastery, when it was still a pretty new thing. These days not so much. He's become the worst sort of establishment, milk toast, una-party conservative. It may be the sort of obsequity he needs to perform to remain mates with Jacqui Smith, but it hasn't allowed me to take him seriously for a long time

[@andykerr4180]

It's not a majority opinion in the wider public.

[@dariusdoodoo]

Lord Sumption absolutely trounced the other chap hands down. He’s such a precious, valued man.

[@galaxytrio]

Excellent debate between two very intelligent men.

[@sisiphas]

How could the Tories turn round their chances? Moderate net zero? Reinforce why UK left EU? Cut the gender woo nonsense in education and NHS?

[@errolkim1334]

About 2 years behind the rest of us.

[@blackdog1392]

At least 2 years I'd say.

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

Yep - the Spectator hasn't got a clue.

[@errolkim1334]

They really don't have a clue but they're also propagandists and that stops them from having the wherewithal to do a proper job.

[@potrahsel4195]

Wow such a posh plumby bubble,, with wooden panelling as support 😂😂😂

[@keewng]

First our Supreme Court Judges and Politicians should note that our UK Housing shortages should be considered before allowing 150,000 backlog of illegal channel migrants license to remain, Rwanda could be a blessing in disguise.

[@jdg9999]

Did that guy say that Zelensky is doing a great job of running the war? Lol.

[@54dermot]

After a year of back to back pieces fom Mark Galeotti telling us that Ukraine and Zelensky are winning the Speccie suddenly slips in that actually, they're toast. Wonder when the print edition will catch up.

[@commonwunder]

Zelenskyy is a TV comedian, famous throughout Ukraine and bordering slavic nations, for playing a make-believe ' normal-guy-off-the-street' that becomes the president of Ukraine. And miraculously beats the systemic corruption in the country and falls in love. Over two season... the show was a huge hit. His TV producers, after the series ended... were bankrolled by Ukrainians oligarchs, to make the fantasy into a reality. The TV producers formed a political party. With Ukrainians bored of their regular politicians, who were all corrupt. A new voice, was something unusually fresh. He promised peace with Russia and an end to corruption. They won the next election with a seventy percent majority... from a relatively small turnout. Zelenskyy makes great speeches... but that's his profession - reading scripts with conviction. It's tricky to know where the TV comedian ends and the politician starts. He literally has no experience of being a diplomat or a political strategist. He make countless errors and misjudgments that the Americans have to constantly 'Walk-Back'. Who's really in charge and what is their goal? Zelenskyy is an actor playing the part of a political leader ...for the West to regularly applaud. That the population of the West accept the irony of this situation... 'Bankrolling a regime, already bankrolled by oligarchs' shows how convincing propaganda is. And its effect on those with short attention spans and zero interest in anything other than, naive and simplistic narratives.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Australians, New Zealanders and Canadians - democracies with King Charles III as head of state, the common law and the Westminster system of government all have levels of human rights at least as good as the UK and a judiciary at least as good as the UK that protects those rights and they have no need to be in the EHCR or any equivalent. Far too many people who are EUophiles (as opposed to Europhiles) believe Briton's had no rights or no system for the protection of rights until 1 January 1973 when the UK joined the then EEC. There is a legal term long recognised that describes this belief: "bollocks".

[@saffronsolo9668]

We should control our own human rights laws.

[@artistphilb]

I noticed that the options given by the interviewer for Ukraine were a victory or a stalemate, he didn't countenance the possibility of defeat, which seems like one of the reasons that "the west" is pushing for elections, they want someone in power who can negotiate and Zelenski has ruled this out, so maybe it's time for him to go?

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

Bond has not been "brought up to date". It has been vandalised. 007 was culturally appropriated by a black wamen and then they killed Bond at the end of the film and said he would be back. What? If that means that they want to tie Craig's blond, blue eyed, dower, James Bond into it's own universe and continue with proper, womanising, more fun, Bond, that would be great. Sadly I doubt that is the case.

[@richardwheatley7194]

Iain Dale gets in right wing slur from the get go. 😂

[@marknash4442]

I was so excited to see Sumption here, who I love, but to have him sat next to the traiterous Grieve is an interview oxymoron, with the emphasis on Moron with regards to Grieve

[@QwentyJ]

Traitorous* and also it doesn't apply. Grieve is not a traitor

[@marknash4442]

@@QwentyJGrieve should be fired, along with the rest of traitors in parliament, for attempting, and continuing to attempt to subvert the 2016 Brexit vote. No doubt you are another remoaner who wants to rejoin the bEUrocracy and tower of babel in Brussells and Strasbourg. Unelected, failed politicians riding the gravy train

[@christopherbrookfield4785]

He had his finger in all the bunkers, did he? Dirty rotten scoundrel! ❤

[@jdg9999]

It's funny that Dale is so put of touch that he thinks young conservatives are to the left of older ones.

[@fbinformant]

We stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦

[@jamessheedy8933]

Good, measured debate between Sumption and Grieve.

[@seannicholson8530]

We already have a bill of rights.

[@davidrenton]

the reality is the Tories would be doing far better in the polls under Truss than Sunak

[@rogerhudson9732]

The Ukraine and Fleming segments are priceless. Now I know 1) why Zelensky is riding the back of a tiger (when after failur to achieve 'victory' the far-right devours him). 2) why Fleming Bond first editions are so rare and expensive.

[@clivelittle831]

Grieve smirks and sneers in much the same way as that Campbell creature,

[@markw1413]

Fancy interviewing Grieve after he tried to thwart the people's vote on Brexit. I'm surprised you would think we'd want to see his curmudgeonly bitterness again.

[@rodneyrichardson3580]

Please don’t have Ian Dale on again. No common sense. I.M.

[@niknikmoore]

Don't forget to LIKE the video

[@weedheals4202]

Awww look at Dick and Dom agreeably disagreeing! 😊