MZTV 1594: Is the Shroud of Turin Legit?

[@neonlight4778]

Hey Martin, I looked into this a while ago. One of the head researchers was Jewish and it made him rethink his beliefs. But his only question was 'why is the blood still red' - years later he would find out about an enzyme called billy ruben (spelling citation needed) that at extreme times of emotional and physical stress, goes into the blood stream and when that happens the blood stays red forever. not only this, but the number 3 appears on the body three times. Amazing happenstance considering he was dead for three days. Although, another huge mystery is how did this clothe have a multi layered image seared into it when attempts of replication have all failed-including ancient and modern photographic techniques using salt and various chemicals. Well here's the odd thing I learned, I am not a scientist so I can't repeat what I learned verbatim- The light came from inside the clothe, it would need to have the same strength as laser light, and it was specific in striking and illuminating very SPECIFIC parts of the clothe. Well what in the human body emits such a light at such a frequency? Dna.. The human dna emits laser light. And the conclusion of this research is, it's as if some great 'power source' came on to the dead man and ocellated his dna to the point it shone like a bright star. neon. *EDIT - People tried to say it was forged via carbon dating but that is now well known to be wildly inaccurate due to carbon rubbing off on things after years and years. It's not an accurate source. It is true, no one can explain the shroud. (Still watching the video apologies if you covered these thins i said)

[@zendermeister]

Wow! thanks for this great information. Your explanation is the most plausible I've ever heard.

[@dawng.2919]

Good morning my beautiful family!

[@simonundergrace]

Good morning, lil sis! 🌞❤️

[@lionbear7706]

Good evening Dawn. ❤

[@CzechcanaSATX]

Wow!! I just wrote off the shroud of Turin as some Roman Catholic relic. Was interesting to see you take a little side step into topic most of us rarely think about. The Isaiah description of Jesus sure doesn't match up with the oh so hot Jim Caviezel of the Passion movie,,,, I saw you get emotional when reading the scripture. Bless you, my dear brother Martin. If you were here I would give you a big Texas hug

[@unapologeticallyJax]

How can anyone mock our beautiful Big Brother.. the Saviour of all mankind. Thank you Lord Christ Jesus. May you be praised always.. and you will be. TYSM Martin. From this black sheep to you.. another black sheep. I love you in Christ Jesus our LORD... our Head. And I love all my black sheep brethren!

[@CzechcanaSATX]

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[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

🙏🏼💜

[@jenniferweiss4734]

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[@EagleSean]

Good Morning Martin And Y'all Recipients Of Grace ❤️🦅✌️

[@TerryClemens-uv2er]

A great way to spread this channel. Leave a link to this video in all the comments sections dealing with the Shroud of Turin.

[@zendermeister]

Good idea, Terry!

[@CzechcanaSATX]

That's a good idea!

[@lenpaganelli1395]

This topic has fascinated me for years. I also have followed the research. My biggest question originally was, why would God drop this physical verification in the midst of all the other dark miracles of dead bodies in the Catholic Church. They seem to be obsessed with these things. When I ask questions like this I think of Peter who was the lead ready, fire, aim questioner among the apostles. God is humorous. I think He likes to smile so he inspires our silly questions. He can do whatever He pleases in our lives and history and he does. This is not a story of a dead body. It is a story of the first flash of life after death, the resurrection. My thoughts are like yours on this topic. Your putting it in the correct perspective of Isaiah’s prophecy is the perfect context. All the research and apparent verification of what the shroud of Turin is saying, as glorious as it is, pales in the face of God’s word about it,

[@svenandhelga6959]

Thx for this interesting topic. I always held the shroud's authenticity at arms length however it always intrigued me. After the latest findings, I also, believe it is authentic. And, like you, it didn't move my faith when I was suspect of it's validity but now it sure doesn't harm my faith either.

[@stevejanowski4557]

Rob Schneider is putting together a great documentary of this. The only way it could happen is supernatural. Something amazing took place when God raised Christ up from the dead. I bet the entire universe groaned and shook... to leave a mark on a bed sheet? Pfsshhh... That's nothing!

[@zendermeister]

I love the way you're looking at this. As if this is some amazing thing that God managed to do. This is the LEAST of it. Excellent, Stephen.

[@EagleSean]

Great Reading Martin 🥰🦅 This Life Is So Short Here On Planet Hollywood, Compared To Weighted Glory Ahead Bless You Amigo 🦅

[@CzechcanaSATX]

Hi Sean, i see you every day on Ace's,,, if I ever start feeling better I need to jump in. I feel as though I personally know everyone of you. Big Texas Hugs,brother

[@EagleSean]

@CzechcanaSATX Good To See You Sister 🥰🦅 God Bless You

[@donaldkgarman296]

GOOD MORNING SAINTS

[@kaysie11dh]

I’m so glad we are included 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@undergrace722]

☀Grace and Peace☀

[@kaysie11dh]

That was a deep one. Brought to tears, Martin

[@lisaelvisfath]

Love the southern accent!

[@zendermeister]

I try!

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

@@zendermeister...Kamala should see you for linguistic tutorials😂😂

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

Just another "black sheep" adding my 2cents😄I'm no scientist nor anthropologist...so my thots are merely conjecture. My thots lay more along the lines of the imprint being the Glory of the Spirit of God as it entered and raised Jesus from the dead. God's glory in a bush did not consume it but merely set it aflame. His glory on Mt Sinai had to be veiled so it wouldn't kill Moses, and the glory on Moses was so great when he descended the mt that his face had to be veiled!! I think God is also saying to us, death is now "swallowed up in Victory!" Linen was associated w/ burials, and Jesus own image was now stamped upon it! And an earlier commenter notes the length of His hair, citing Corinthians "it is a shame for men to have long hair"...That statement is totally relative. Compared to the woman's hair of that day - that was not cut, a man's hair at his shoulders or neck line was much shorter than a woman's, and thus not violating Paul's directive. IMHO LOVE all the comments! And looking fwd to tomorrows video!! Much love grace and peace to all🙏🏼💜

[@jenniferweiss4734]

Absolutely amazing video, Martin

[@ChessArmyCommander]

What a great talk! 🤗

[@zendermeister]

Thank you!

[@TheMotivationalMovie]

Martin, I break when you break. Beautiful. I've always believed the Shroud of Turin was legit, even when I was a blind Christian wearing tree trunks in my eye sockets as a fashion statement. Nevertheless, this is the most profound exposition I've ever witnessed about the Shroud. That IS His Face. Thank you, Brother.

[@TheGreatUnfoldingRobWile]

Interesting stuff, "I can't stop to comment" 5 seconds later "I need to comment" 🤣I laughed out loud haha. Thank you Martin

[@zendermeister]

Haha! Can't help myself.

[@fluffyfeathers49]

Beautiful. Thank you, Martin.

[@zendermeister]

Thank you, Fluffy.

[@JoshDavisfarmbureau]

I think you are correct about the carbon dating.

[@JKBelle]

I have also come to believe the shroud is authentic also. I’ve gone back and forth over the years, but now I believe it’s most likely authentic and yet another sign of the existence and most importantly the actual “death” of Jesus Christ, which is the most important thing ever, next to the resurrection!

[@zendermeister]

Always love your comments, JK. Thank you.

[@robnraa1]

Awesome presentation.

[@zendermeister]

Thank you!

[@kaysie11dh]

Exactly, pic or not? Is that the fact that we are all included

[@shauninthebody]

The image of the invisible God either way.

[@pattonroad6305]

I had the same thought regarding the AI image Martin. Just too good looking.

[@zendermeister]

Yup!

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

Totally!

[@janealexander5597]

Great message!

[@teejosh9550]

Great message 😊🎉❤

[@whizchic6252]

On the same page. I've followed this story for years. WAX dating is so superior to carbon dating which has long been known in the scientific community to be very inaccurate. This "new" evidence is among the "knowledge shall increase" of Daniel. Many archeological finds that support the scriptures (alters, temples, towns) are being unearthed in recent years, even though war efforts are attempting to bomb them out of existence. All prophecies will be fulfilled according to the will of God.

[@zendermeister]

Great comment, Whiz. You sound like you're voting "yes" on the authenticity of the shroud.

[@GregUniRec]

Right after I posted my comment, I thought of the increasing knowledge in the last days of which Daniel spoke. Gods timing I guess. 🙂 You are so right Whizchic.

[@markhaukaas4170]

Martin, I loved your reading of Isaiah 53 from the Concordant Version of the Old Testament and the Message Bible. I wish that I could cast a "yes" vote about the Shroud of Turin, but I'm unconvinced by the evidence presented by the researchers who have studied the Shroud of Turin and concluded that it is authentic. On the other side of the academic debate, some scientists have analyzed blood patterns on the Shroud and have concluded that they are inconsistent with Jesus being in one physical position. In addition, in his article "The Shroud of Turin: Blood or Artist's Pigment?,” Walter McCrone said that he found two artist's pigments of the 14th century, but no blood. Finally, a single shroud runs counter to the burial customs of Jesus' day (e.g., strips of linen), which are reflected in various scriptures (John 11:44; 19:40; 20:5-6). The contrarian evidence extends far beyond these points, but I won't dive deeper.

[@robertlakey]

"othonion" just means a piece of fine linen. So it makes sense to me that one piece of linen was laid on he ground with his back on the linen with his head in its middle, then the other half of the piece of linen was brought over the top of his body. They then "bound" the body so covered with a rope (or other stripes of linen) so they could carry him to the tomb. The New evidence suggests this is exactly what happened.

[@markhaukaas4170]

​@@robertlakey Hi, Robert: The Greek is plural, so there must be at least two pieces of linen in your scenario. In addition, the figure in the Shroud does not appear to have suffered the level of trauma that Jesus suffered. A lot of things don’t add up to me. Overall, I find the evidence for the authenticity for the Shroud of Turin lacking. On another note, I appreciate your comments here on MZTV. You bring angles to things that most people don't consider.

[@markhaukaas4170]

​@@robertlakey Hi, Robert: The Greek is plural, so there must be at least two pieces of linen in your scenario. In addition, the figure in the Shroud does not appear to have suffered the level of trauma that Jesus suffered. A lot of things don’t add up to me. Overall, I find the evidence for the authenticity for the Shroud of Turin lacking. On another note, I appreciate your comments here on MZTV. You bring angles to things that most people don't consider.

[@robertlakey]

@@markhaukaas4170 Good point. Then the body was really tied up with linen strips rather than rope! LOL Thanks for your kind words Mark. By the way I once tried to friend you on your Facebook page but you turned me down LOL - but I liked some of the things you were saying here so I tried.

[@fluffyfeathers49]

I read that the original carbon dating was done on a section of fabric that was actually a repair piece after a fire. So, not on the original cloth. They tricked a lot of people.

[@zendermeister]

Yes, you're right. Really shameful how they did that.

[@JoyceKreis]

Thank you for another excellent video on the Truth😂😂😂

[@zendermeister]

You're welcome, Joyce!

[@stevejanowski4557]

I like The Message, usually, as well. It's not a translation and doesn't try to be. I do believe Eugene Peterson didn't good job, overall. His NT passages are amazing. Like Romans 5 and 6...

[@zendermeister]

Yes, he is absolutely amazing in some places. Really insightful.

[@donaldhandy1060]

The Sign Of Jonah, to a wicked and adulterous generation

[@eastcoastheraldCA]

"Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame to him?" 1Corinthians 11:14.....just asking ???

[@zendermeister]

I agree. I thought of that. But the hair of the man on the shroud is really not that long. Just below ear--length, but not on the neck.

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

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[@srvafool]

I came to the same conclusion a few years ago. "Ok, if it's fake, then reproduce it".

[@MrArdytube]

The fact that no one can explain the shroud… does not explain the shroud

[@kennethbest4640]

Does this your statement explain it then?

[@MrArdytube]

@ No, i have no explanation either. But just to put the argument in context… people will claim that there are things you cannot explain about the moon landings… therefore bla bla bla, there are things you cannot explain about 9-11, therefore bla bla bla, there are things you cannot explain about jfk, therefore bla bla bla, there are things you cannot explain about the election, therefore bla bla bla,.. there are things you cannot explain about covid, therefore bla bla bla… there are things you cant explain about autism, therefore bla bla bla … The point being that the fact that we dont entirely understand everything about something Does not prove anything If it were the case that theism is true… and god sent the shroud aa a sign… There would have been many other better ways of sending a sign from god

[@zendermeister]

You're right. But it sure pushes one toward believing it.

[@robertlakey]

It is great that so much of the Bible has been verified since 1948. I fully expect the ark of the covenant to be found soon, if not already in the possession of the Orthodox Jews who are just waiting to reveal it when the third Temple is constructed. In my view, it will be built before the abomination spoken of by Daniel and Jesus. The preparation has already been done and after the peace treaty is made to begin the 70th week of Daniel, it will be finished in less than a year (the Empire State Building was finished in 13 months).

[@christopherperry406]

How could the Ark of the Covenant be found when it was carried off by the Babylonians and assumedly destroyed? And we know it wasn't used for the Second Temple, which is unthinkable if the Jews actually were in possession of it.

[@JKBelle]

@@christopherperry406 I’m not so sure it was destroyed honestly. I mean, the ark caused death to certain people and was thought of as a curse to gentile nations. I think if God wanted it preserved they would be too fearful to destroy it IMO

[@christopherperry406]

@JKBelle that might be true. However, it wasn’t brought back to Jerusalem, so unlike Raiders of the Lost Ark, I don’t think we’ll ever know where it ended up

[@robertlakey]

@@christopherperry406 It never left Jerusalem would be my guess. Hidden under the Temple Mount. There is no record of the Ark being taken to Babylon.

[@christopherperry406]

@@robertlakey even if that were true, it doesn’t solve the problem of why the Jews didn’t use it in Second Temple rituals, if they actually did have it

[@stevejanowski4557]

So... Christ was probably a short man. Maybe Zaccheus climbed the tree to see Jesus, not because HE was short, but because Jesus was! 😅

[@zendermeister]

Hot dang, here you go again with an amazing unique perspective which just may be true.

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

Hahaha!! Love this perspective!! I'll bet Zaccheus would too!!😂💜

[@maryy2121]

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[@georgemooyman7155]

Whether it is real or not it is irrelevant to me.

[@zendermeister]

Me too. But what an artifact if it is real. And I now think it is for those who raise at the GWT. I will explain tomorrow.

[@georgemooyman7155]

@zendermeister ok I will be watching.

[@SandyMiller-ep9tl]

If it's not real, then I would totally agree...BUT if it IS REAL, it should generate amazing thots and ideas around Gods plan and purpose in leaving it for us to contemplate! So much has been destroyed and no longer exists from that time period, the fact that it's still here for us to find is in itself part of the miracle. Can't wait to hear tomorrows vid!!