Zinc Sunscreens Don't Work Better: Every Myth Busted | Lab Muffin Beauty Science

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

So yeah... the next video is almost definitely about sunscreen too 😅 It's sunscreen discourse season and I've seen too many myth-ridden articles, plus there's the benzene thing we need to talk about...

[@franciscorodriguez7542]

Hii, powder over suncreen is Bad? Please help me, love u

[@teletubbiestunetwister9570]

Michelle.... I would love to know what you suggest we use on our eyes. Chemical sunscreen migrates to my eyes and irritates them. I have been using mineral on and around my eyes and chemical elsewhere, which works, but it's impossible to put makeup on over the mineral... HALP!!

[@Bramblerose21]

Please do a video about sunscreen for eyes, Michelle! I love my new sunscreen but it’s killing my eyes. Thanks for yet another informative and easy to digest video :)

[@queenofstitcheswarrior2668]

@@Bramblerose21 hey! I had the same issue and used an spf 50 stick, Svr sun secure, LRP, bioderma Cicabio spf 50. Now i use LRP Shaka fluïde uncented or the Ultra Hydrating spf 50 and these don’t burn or sting the eyes 🎉

[@sheilavillar2974]

Please make a video about the benzene controversy.

[@melbygrace]

And the truth is, “The best sunscreen is the one you use.” True that!

[@queenofstitcheswarrior2668]

I would rather use an less elegant but hardcore sunscreen but that’s just me as a chronic skincancer patiënt

[@Emmiee114]

….and doesn’t contain benzene.🥴

[@donecurry1938]

No, the truth is, the best sunscreen is the one that is effective. Just because it says sunscreen, doesn't mean it's effective.

[@KB-jz1nq]

…and is suitable for the environment you are going to be in. Keep our oceans, lakes, and rivers alive and thriving! ❤️🌎

[@SueRosalie]

@@donecurry1938 in Australia it does. We have robust regulations. If it's approved here, you know it's good.

[@damaracarpenter8316]

Michelle: “hopefully my next video won’t be about sunscreen” Me wanting her opinion on the benzene in sunscreens tea: 👁👄👁

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

I filmed this before the benzene thing happened 😅😅😅

[@arelysjournal]

yup haha

[@elizabethackermann3189]

Sunscreen videos are the best!

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[@luisaarch9645]

@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Michelle I am very sure that you have heard this:... you are an amazing woman that anyone would love to have in their lives not only for the Well of knowledge, and the way you make others understand that information... more for the humanitarian soul that you have... !!!

[@faceonnailsdonehairdid]

With all the information you've blessed us with on sunscreeen (amongst other things) you should seriously consider setting up a Sunscreen Advisory Council or something because so many professionals in the skincare community still perpetuate these myths which then leads to us mere mortals passing on the same myths thinking it's accurate.

[@princessaluchi8924]

I agree!!!

[@djlinux64]

Already exists its called the EWG

[@BenneWill]

They may not work better... but work just as well. I like using sunscreen that does not damage our coral reefs and toxins to our skin.

[@kookootrix1978]

@dj, the EWG spreads misinfo at an alarming rate.

[@appelsap1986]

I do think that these myths from “chemical vs mineral” comes from the fact that the USA has only the older filters available that can cause some sensitivity. Australia and Europe have a lot more options to make formulations that are great with sensitive skin.

[@84rinne_moo]

I’d really like to try them!

[@HoneyCramps]

I 100% agree. Instead of pushing for better filters, they fear-monger.

[@zachinky]

I don't understand what you mean by the US only had older filters... I'm sunscreen ignorant although I've ALWAYS used something and often.

[@renebaebae0600]

I dont understand why the US does not push for better regulation that will allow the alternative, better chemical filter, or why the US companies does not lobby the government to do that. Moreover when they knew that racism is a big problem there, they really have to make a great sunscreen for black peope, unlike pushing a physical filter that would make black people look white.

[@annabela.1673]

Yeah, here in Brazil we have the new chemical filters too.

[@eafafeayd]

me fangirling over this video as a FAN OF “CHEMICALS” here as well!

[@moose8762]

I have gotten to the point of eye rolling whenever a derm is saying an inorganic SPF is their favourite. Trying to find an inorganic SPF in Europe is like trying to find a ginger... or a less weird analogy

[@moose8762]

No, the analogy makes sense. You aren't just going to find one in every store and when you bring them out in the sun they burn in like 15 minutes

[@puccapopular10]

Chemicals are the best 😌😌 lol

[@eafafeayd]

@@moose8762 i live in germany and i think you can find mineral spfs from french brands however i dont like the white cast so i prefer "chemical"s :D

[@lemenyh]

Same here!

[@WhereDidIndiGo]

It’s so crazy the amount of these myths that skincare people on KZbin unknowingly spread, Michelle is always here to give us the facts. Its also so funny that you can kind of see the annoyance in her face as they come up. It’s understandable tho, I’m annoyed and I don’t even study chemistry for a living xx

[@orpheliaolivia]

The reason I stopped using mineral sunscreens is bc I could visibly see the clumping up after sports (or naps haha), even with water resistant ones. I always thought it was my mistake, so thanks for explaining it

[@rheaultm33]

Michelle, you should do a video explaining the chemistry/physics behind chemical and mineral sunscreens! I graduated with a degree in chemical engineering last year and it would be so much fun to listen to organic chemistry information again! It has been so long and I kinda miss it 😥

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

Not sure if you've already seen this one? kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5e6eGmXq7SFlac

[@rheaultm33]

@@LabMuffinBeautyScience OMG I didn't see that 👀. Thank you!!!

[@HearturMind]

Camp instructor outdoors all summer for 18 years. Used generous amount of zinc rubbed into skin after showering. Then used generous amount of foundation with sunscreen in it overtop. It was often over 100 degrees and we did sweat working the camps so we did lose some due to sweat. But this double whammy approach was pretty effective because I only have sun spots in one small line on the side where I had most exposure cause I had to stand in one spot often as the instructor. My skin looks pretty amazing for a 59 yr old so thank goodness I just happened to do ok without KZbin to get great advice like yours!

[@tn6207]

Sadly every chemical sunscreen I’ve tried broke me out horribly, so I only use mineral sunscreens now.

[@user-gc3rv6jw3n]

Hi, what is you favourite mineral spf so far?

[@knuffelmaus7175]

Same...

[@garlicbread2789]

Same for me. I thought I just had bad acne since I kept buying different kinds of sunscreen, until I realized every time I broke out I was using a type of chemical sunscreen

[@Light-yw8wy]

I totally agree with you. I think chemical sunscreens, when formulated effectively, can provide a more robust broad spectrum protection of both UVB and UVA (especially UVA). I’ve always admired zinc oxide because it provides more stable UVA protection in comparison to avobenzone (the US’s sole UVA filter approved by the FDA), however with brands such as La Roche Posay and Neutrogena they’ve managed to actually stabilize their avobenzone. I think a video of you elaborating a little more on this topic would be so interesting.

[@rayeed2959]

^^ I second this ... would love to hear your thoughts

[@amandalawrence880]

I third this! I opt for mineral or non-US sunscreens because I've heard avabenzone is unstable.

[@allysonbergman1303]

@@amandalawrence880 I didnt know it wasn't stable but I always stayed away because it stings my eyes..so. dang.much!! Oy, that's a tough thing to find an avo-free chemical sunscreen!

[@APersonWithAName1819]

I just wish chemical sunscreens didn’t burn my skin while using Tretinoin. I’d totally use them because they sit better under makeup

[@amandalawrence880]

@@allysonbergman1303 Avabenzone stings my skin too! Look at non-US chemical sunscreens, they have much more robust and stable protection and use chemical filters that for some reason the US doesn't allow or use at the moment. They also don't sting my skin.

[@KF-vk9oc]

I wish my skin could tolerate chemical sunscreens 😭 my rosacea flares and burns whenever I try them, no matter the filter or formulation! I hope my zinc sunscreen is doing a good enough job, I definitely don’t love applying it but ya gotta do what ya gotta do when you don’t want skin cancer.

[@Missycandylips]

Hi, I'm so sorry about your situation. Have you ever tried sunscreens with newer generation chemical filters like Tinosorb M, Tinosorb S, Uvinul T 150, Uvinul A plus (etc)? Or have you only tested your skin's reaction to the older generation chemical filters restricted for use in the U.S.? Your skin might possibly react differently to certain newer generation filters.

[@allysonbergman1303]

Have you tried a hybrid sunscreen? I have extraordinarily sensitized skin and those work well, especially when formulated with only zinc and another single organic filter....a cheap one to try if your interested is Walgreens sensitive SPF 50, it's only $2.99 so if you hate it...no biggie! Good luck!

[@kyrakytana]

I don't know if you have Daylong where you live, but it works great on my rosacea skin, even when I have a flare up. I can't tolerate mineral sunscreen, however, so your skin might react differently.

[@kattkatt744]

If your skin burns in addition to flaring up your rosacea when you use organic filters it may be worth checking out if you are allergic. It turned out that the burning and flaring for me was because I am allergic to several organic filters. I also learned that these filters may be used in other skincare products, not for their uv protection of our skin, but to stabilize other photosensitivit ingredients in the products. Turned out some creams I thought was giving me flare ups where actually giving me allergic reactions. It may of course be different for you, but it is nice to have allergies ruled out at the very least.

[@evgeniyaseminenko8594]

I have pretty intense rosacea, and the best sunscreen I found for myself is UltraSun sunscreens. It's also the only sunscreen that prevents me from getting freckles!

[@SpaceOutlaw_]

Love this. Very interesting how different experts and professionals in the skincare community have different findings and opinions. Even though I still like physical because I’ve noticed it generally doesn’t irritates my skin and it doesn’t sting my eyes, but I do agree that JUST WEAR SUNSCREEN EVERYBODY (correctly) no matter if it’s physical or chemical. Find one that you love

[@sunscreenhoarder6558]

Honestly the vast majority of the actual experts/professionals in the skinfluencer industry tend to be very pro-organic sunscreens as well from what I've seen. There's Dr V but she's questionable at the best of times so not many people pay her much mind. It's more unqualified skincare influencers (predominantly just one guy in particular that comes to mind) that are really pushing the "zinc oxide is the only filter I think people should be using" thing.

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

I think a lot of the time people aren't great at evaluating sources and relevant experts - for example, the AAD website unfortunately has the "physical sunscreens reflect and scatter" myth all over it and people assume they're correct, even though the way that UV interacts with metal oxides has nothing to do with dermatology (it's physical chemistry, and physical chemists have been saying that metal oxides absorb UV since day 1).

[@7792pnaurfr]

Other dermatologists don't know that much about cosmetic or biochemistry or pharmaceutical chemistry. I love skincare and sunscreens. Im both a dermatologist and pharmacist but I defer to the knowledge of scientists and experts like Michelle (people who actually understand these things at a fundamental level). An annoying part about the culture we have now in dermatology, especially aesthetic focused dermatology, is this thought that we are the final experts on skincare and cosmetics. That isn't true because that's not what dermatology is. My dermatology training was on diagnosing and treating disease, not chemistry.

[@lizcademy4809]

@@7792pnaurfr I am always amazed by companies pushing "this product was developed by a dermatologist". I'd rather have a product developed by a cosmetics formulating chemist, ideally one who stays current on new science. There's nothing in a derm's training that covers emulsification system, hurdle technology, or even pH adjustment. They can learn those things, but then they are learning cosmetic formulation (I did, it's a hobby of mine. I refuse to make sunscreen in my kitchen "lab". I know better.) I'll make an example from my field ... would you rather have your website built by a PhD in Computer Science or a professional web developer?

[@SpaceOutlaw_]

@@7792pnaurfr that’s why I like dr v and dr Alexis stephens. Both have dual background in the skincare field.

[@SamMKKK]

Nuance! So much of our skin care convos lack simple nuance - eg: “we should all be wearing and reapplying sunscreen daily,” “never mix ingredient x & y,” etc. You always bring perspective, Michelle. Helps me sift through some of these odd skincare rules.

[@annabela.1673]

Yaaaaaaaaaas!! Where I live, mineral sunscreens are not common and the few ones are very expensive, so when I finally found an affordable chemical sunscreen that wasn't unconfortable ( octocrylene or homosalate or both are like fire on my eyes, so I avoid them) I saw people saying zinc oxide was the god among the peasants chemical sunscreens and even bought I overly expensive zinc oxide once. Thank god I came back to the affordable chemical one.

[@maenad1231]

My favorite sunscreens are all hybrids. Mix it all together and you know you’ve got the best of both worlds

[@helenavasic9989]

Still new to sunscreen kinda I’ve been wearing it for the last year and a half. Started with mineral (because sensitive skin) and now as it got hot again I went back to chemical because I was tired of how heavy and white the others were. No I have the issue of eyes burning so yeah hybrid is the way I want to be! Which are your favs? I really want to try canmake and altruist but I hope more are developed in the future!!

[@maenad1231]

@@helenavasic9989 I really love UltraSun’s sunscreens the most, they’re a European brand. The “Tinted FACE antiageing” sunscreen & the “extreme” sunscreen are my favorites. They don’t sting my eyes because they rely’s on Uvinul A plus _(organic),_ Tinosorb M _(organic)_ & coated Titanium dioxide _(mineral)_ for UVA protection instead of Avobenzone. The tinted face sunscreen also has iron oxides _(yellow, red, black)_ and pigmentary titanium dioxide so it should protect against visible light Make P:rem’s new fluid sunscreen _(white & blue bottle)_ is also a really good hybrid sunscreen without Avobenzone. I’d recommend it for people who prefer Asian sunscreens Shisedo Anessa Mild milk is another hybrid sunscreen that deserves a shout out

[@msk-qp6fn]

Same here, most of my fave sunscreens are hybrid!!

[@kaceynm]

@@helenavasic9989 I had the eye burning problem too, but I learned from Mixed Makeup that if you set your sunscreen with translucent powder it helps a LOT. To the point that I don't have that problem anymore.

[@helenavasic9989]

@@kaceynm really! I’ll have to try that I was gonna buy another sunscreen (mineral) soon once I can and use it in the eye region and suffer until then lol! I’ll try that thanks so much!

[@salponce3368]

Thank you, as always, for your insightful videos! I hate the fear-mongering around organic filters (at least here in the US). Organic sunscreens can leave such elegant finishes compared to the chalky, goopy inorganic ones. I love how you addressed the upcoming sunscreen season despite the fact that it’s almost winter in your country. Have a nice day!

[@FuriedHearts]

Your hole/wall analogy is BRILLIANT to explain the broad spectrum part. Just... wow. You're an excellent teacher.

[@lavayuki]

I don't mind mineral, hybrid or chemical. I prefer hybrid the best like a few of the Japanese ones or mineral, but not a huge fan of only chemical as my skin reacts and breaks out to those. Sunscreens like Anessa sun milk, Allie and Bellflower blueberry sunscreen are my favourite hybrids, which also have zinc oxide but still feel light and do not leave a cast on me.

[@kagitsune]

Zinc Oxide was a great "training wheels" suncreen for me, while I got used to the routine and while I was healing my skin from years of irritation. But it just didn't block enough UV for me (I would still notice blotchy tanning around my forehead). Well-formulated organic/chemical filters are my go-to now. I've even come back to some of the old sunscreens I wrote off as "too irritating" now that my skin barrier has healed. Everything can be for someone!

[@manxuberglider8]

Been wearing sunscreens since the late 80’s. But I’m a guy living in the burbs, so that was weird for certain. Can’t tell you how much I’ve hated that white cast. I’m happy with Neutrogena 100 ultra sheer body mist spray, sprayed into my hand and then applied liberally. I always powder it. I reapply it. It’s invisible. Hats, clothes, shades, stay out of direct sun, all that.

[@cherrybearylemondrop]

Reapplying over a powder has always been messy for me. Do you wash it off first?

[@pilotjones9866]

Since you’ve used spf for that long, would you say you noticed a big difference in the way your skin looks

[@manxuberglider8]

@@cherrybearylemondrop Yes, I use Burts Bees wipes before reapplying. It’s all under three minutes!

[@manxuberglider8]

@@pilotjones9866 I’m turning 50 this July. I’ve always looked and felt younger than my age. People have often commented that I look younger. Never married, no kids, and that’s significant. Mainly, I’ve kept skin cancer away, and that was the main goal for me. The side effects of taking care has been that I have very fair, smooth textured skin (but it’s always been oily, so I’ve had to take extra care..cleanse/tone/exfoliate/moisturize to slow down the oil) No freckles on my face or throat. Some dark freckles on left “drivers” arm (I don’t sunblock my arms under long sleeved shirts) Some creasing under/around eyes, some horizontal throat creasing lol, so I’m not freakishly baby faced anymore, but I’d say a lifetime of sunblock has kept me intact. I look about 38-40.

[@kahladavis9858]

FYI - This was one of the worst offenders in the recent report testing for benzene in sunscreens. I love that sunscreen, too, so that was a big bummer to see.

[@consciouslypure2176]

Great video!! What about so many people saying that zinc oxide and titanium dioxide are safer for our health? And chemical sunscreens are supposed to be bad for our health, especially avoided by pregnant and breastfeeding women?

[@LittleMonstr16]

So many people say inorganic sunscreens are better for people with acne and that was all I used for a long time, but the moment I used an organic sunscreen it felt SO much better on my skin and now I rarely use inorganic sunscreens unless it's tinted and I basically use it as a foundation. Inorganic sunscreens just feel heavy on my skin. Also, another problem with inorganic sunscreens: my vitamin c/antioxidant serums make them turn orange sometimes 🤦‍♀️

[@mariebray9831]

I think organic and inorganic chemical sunscreen is a much better words for the types of sunscreen creams you can buy. Physical sunscreen should be what we call; hats, sunglasses, clothes and shoes.

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

I agree it's better terminology, but using it means you end up only reaching the top 1% of people who are already informed about sunscreens 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@aimenfatima7713]

i have NEVER found a mineral sunscreen that works for me; they either give me a white cast or leave that weird powdery residue in my hairline and eyebrows. even the purito mineral sunscreen that everyone loves pills on me like crazy. and because of all the sunscreen misinformation out there i genuinely used to think that chemical sunscreens were bad and had to spend a long time every morning trying to make mineral sunscreen work for me. i’m sooo glad i looked into it more and switched to chemical sunscreens recently. if i had seen a video like this back then, my life would have been so much easier. love love love your channel!

[@Zantetsukens]

All those newbie wannabes KZbin Dermatologists should watch this video. Many of those personalities are still perpetuating falsehood and myths and act as if they have authority in science. They forget the papers and research they study are made and written by PhDs.

[@MinnieMakeup_]

I can’t believe I’ve been told every one of these from a skin expert

[@theywalkinguptoyouand4060]

I can believe it. "Skin experts" barely know anything about science and information not spoon fed to them by skincare brands.

[@MeowKa852]

Thanks for your info. I personally can only use mineral sunscreen because I am allergic to some ingredients (I tried tons chemical ones but all failed). But I encourage my friends to use any sunscreen they like, no matter mineral or chemical. And chemical ones work great on them. Both have their own market. The best one is the one which works for you.

[@unsoundmedia]

Wanted to ask about sunscreen and skincare when pregnant. I know they say to not use retinoids/retinol and to not use chemical sunscreen. Can you please do a video for myths on pregnancy skincare and sun care?

[@valentinaci7888]

Yes pleaseeee! I would like to see more specialists onnyoutube talking about pregnancy and breastfeedung in relation to skincare. Like with scientific studies and more details. Not just 'if you are pregnant don't use retinols!'🤣🤣

[@consciouslypure2176]

Yes, that would be soooo helpful!!!

[@anikakelhanka]

Yes please

[@wickednailsrylee]

I hate putting on sunscreen and my face turning opaque white and then going outside and sweating rivers of white down my neck and chest. Please, no.

[@TheSolipsist0]

Try japanese or korean sunscreens. They are like moisturizer.

[@84rinne_moo]

Me I have sensitive skin, so I always use products with mineral/physical sunscreens for that reason. My skin gets irritated with many chemical blockers, esp upon repeated usage in a short time. And as far as white cast, they are making a lot more better formulas using mineral/physical blocking ingredients now a days!

[@user-gc3rv6jw3n]

Hi, i have also sensitive skin to chemical ones. What is your favourite mineral one?

[@carinapearson9040]

I can't tell you how helpful and life changing this video is for me! I've been suffering through white thick sunscreens for YEARS because I thought they were better. You are amazing at what you do and doing the public a service! Thank you!!

[@dannyc3008]

im definitely not biased towards zinc sunscreens, my HG is definitely the make p:rem fluid, but i also love chemical sunscreens i just think you need to know which ones will irritate you in certain places, say around the eyes, i just love how thats avoidable with a good zinc sunscreen

[@crazysavvyloverlee]

yeah, this is why I can only use mineral sunscreens on my face as the chemical ones (even ones made for kids/sensitive skin) cause my eczema to flare up.

[@kahladavis9858]

I just went to reorder the Make P:rem Sun Fluid and saw that it's no longer all mineral -- they changed the formula so it includes chemical filters now, as well. I haven't decided if I still want to repurchase it.

[@dannyc3008]

@@kahladavis9858 the reformulation has personally worked just as well for me so far, but i definitely think its because i know i can use most Korean chemical UV filters, i think its the usual suspects in US sunscreens like avobenzone, oxybenzone, and octinoxate that give me problems and sting my eyes

[@kahladavis9858]

@@dannyc3008 That's good to know!

[@Walking_Spinel]

FIRST!!! Came for the title. Can't wait to see this! Bc so far mineral sunscreens are NOT it for me

[@williamtheantioxidantqueen3546]

Do you sit on YT all day? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Walking_Spinel]

@@williamtheantioxidantqueen3546 nope. I have notifications turned on for Michelle 💗

[@msk-qp6fn]

Same, it dries me out although it is less sensitizing to my eyes

[@williamtheantioxidantqueen3546]

@@Walking_Spinel I ❤️ you

[@HumbleWifeandMom]

Take all of these “beauty gurus, dermatologists, skincare specialists” to school, Michelle!!!! Let them know!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@mashaal7782]

I want to use chemical sunscreens so bad for their high UVA protection and cosmetic elegance, but alas, I have very sensitive skin and cannot tolerate them.

[@aimenfatima7713]

try using one that doesn’t have oxybenzone! i have sensitive skin too and chemical sunscreens work for me as long as they don’t have ozybenzone and fragrance. some of them still sting my eyes though, so i use a mineral sunscreen around the eyes

[@marycansing]

@@aimenfatima7713 same!

[@mashaal7782]

@@aimenfatima7713 I have! Unfortunately they still irritate me. I even tried the SVR Cicavit SPF 50+ with only Uvinal and Tinosorb, and it still irritates my skin.

[@user-gc3rv6jw3n]

@@mashaal7782 Same here! But i dont like mineral spf so much. What is your favourite mineral spf? :-)

[@syedaaymen4558]

Samee 😭😭 I have a sensitive skin and hyperpigmentation on some areas. After a lot of research I found a physical sunscreen coz the chemical ones were so irritating but I'm not really getting used to physical sunscreen at all. Don't know what to do anymore 😑

[@nirmalaanissa9439]

Hi Michelle ! Amazing video 👍👏👏...zinc oxide is so overrated, and I get annoyed at the fear mongering around organic sunscreens...especially these drs saying mineral sunscreens are better for skin of color and hyperpigmentation 🙄 ...this is so false !!! I do hope that your video helps people understand that they were misslead and missinformed !! Organic sunscreens really helped with my hyperpigmentation...and the new organic filters are also very unlikely to be irritating 🤗

[@coralrey3401]

Agree! On that note, if you haven’t already, could @labmuffin talk about if skin of color has different sunscreen needs?

[@rjloveslaurent]

It sounds like you said “nerdifications” and I’m going to start using it immediately.

[@mlancholia3920]

ngl her channel educate me so much about sunscreen. the fact that she doesn’t have millions of subscribers baffled me!

[@PinkHairDontCare]

I've become loyal to mineral-based sunscreens because the chemical ones seem to hurt and it feels stinging, like my skin is burning or drying up. I use the Elta MD products and those seem to be better for the most part than others. Luckily for me, I'm already rather pale, so white cast isn't as much of a problem as it may be for others.

[@goodsamwise]

Watching this whole video riveted like it's a crime thriller. Btw, I have zero problems with you making EVERY video about sunscreen!

[@annasbano4297]

I wish sunscreen was a captain america shield 🤣🤣 i found chemical sunscreen to be damaging to my skin personally. It just made my skin super sensitive and the zinc based sunscreen helped calm down inflammation in my skin. But i also know people where the physical sunscreen made them break out and they did much better with the chemical. It just depends on your skin 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@ositaiza888]

yeah! i tried out a bunch of chemical sunscreens before, and i never got around to using them on a super regular basis bc they all ended up irritating my eyes. im pale enough that the slight white cast on my mineral one almost acts like a tint and cancels out some of the redness on my skin, which has definitely made sunscreen application more satisfying

[@kyrakytana]

Exactly. I have yet to find any zinc oxide sunscreen that does not break my out terribly, but do extremely well with chemical ones without any irritation at all. Also every single (non-nano) physical sunscreen left a white cast on my face when I used the recommended amount, and that was a big no-no for me as well. I sometimes use them on my body, but never my face...

[@umaimasiddiqui7376]

@@kyrakytana non nano Tinted sunscreen do this white cast as well? Because we need to apply/reapply atleast 1tsp as well?

[@kyrakytana]

@@umaimasiddiqui7376 I was speaking about non-nano sunscreens leaving a white/pale tint. Nano-formulations often have less white cast, but yes, you need half a teaspoon for your face and neck no matter what kind of sunscreen you use. Chemical ones tend to be pretty invisible even after multiple reapplications.

[@umaimasiddiqui7376]

@@kyrakytana yes I got one Non-Nano tinted one but again I was wondering If i need to apply/reapply 1tsp of it everytime that'd definitely leave white/chalky cast even if its tinted, and the ingredients were so good.. Now im looking for chemical +mineral based😔

[@kyleboodoo902]

Thank you so much for being so thorough. You’ve literally answered every question in the most scientific way. I love your channel! Never stop!!

[@MissMoodyMoony]

Thank you! I can't use zinc sunscreens without having a terrible reaction. Thankfully I've finally found a sunscreen that doesn't cause a reaction.

[@elizabethspitzer4001]

What was your reaction like? I think I am having one too

[@MissMoodyMoony]

@@elizabethspitzer4001 it causes a rash.

[@chappyhappy8483]

I was on the ZnO trend a few years. Wished I found this video back then. I only looked for ZnO in the ingredients. A huge advantage with ZnO or TiO2 is that they wouldnt irritate my eyes (that is until I realized recently LRP's UVmune400 line doesnt irritate my eyes and it has better protection).

[@kitegirl83]

Thank you for this in depth video! I'm so ready to phase out my zinc sunscreen and use my chemical sunscreens without feeling unsure about them!

[@tamiibarra3027]

Thank you so much for this information!! I'm so tired of hearing about how mineral sunscreens are better. In my experience, that certainly has not been true for me! I hate wearing the mineral sunscreens I've tried. I'd rather go without it than to deal with the nasty feeling of mineral sunscreen on my skin. It really clogs my pores too. I'm going to be sharing this video with everyone that I see spreading these myths. We all need to hear this info!

[@scarlettsugar8159]

I gotta use mineral sunscreen exclusively. I've tried so many chemical sunscreens and they always burn the hell outta my eyes. Even keeping them far away from my eyes (maybe from sweating) so I always just dealt with the white cast giving me that casket ready realness look/ gray cast on my non white Latina skin. La Roche Posay's tinted mineral sunscreen has been a godsend. Liquidy, light, goes on smooth, dries down great as well as matte, layers under my power foundation great. The tint is perfect because I don't need it to really match my skin so much as not make me look like I'm cosplaying Morticia Addams. While pricey for the amount I love it and just use it for when I go out. If I'm hanging out at the pool or not really going anywhere important or don't need to look particularly presentable, I still just throw the regular La Roche Posay Anthelios Mineral sunscreen on and go about my vampire lookin' ass day.

[@kahladavis9858]

Yes! I love the tinted options for some mineral sunscreens, too. I'll have to try LRP's. I'm currently on a bottle of Sun Bum Mineral Tinted that's been surprisingly nice (although it has a silicone-y feel, which I know not everyone loves).

[@blee8607]

In Canada, the La Roche Posay tinted mineral sunscreen version only has titanium dioxide, not zinc oxide, so I don't think the coverage is good enough so I never bought it. I have problem with burning eyes with chemical sunscreens too, so I often used physical sunscreen around my eyes, and the rest of face with chemical sunscreens for better texture. Recently I am using the Korean Isntree hyaluronic watery sun gel, and it is the only chemical sunscreen that did not burn my eyes so far, so quite happy with it, and it was also tested and confirmed correct SPF 50+ and PA++++ as on the label.

[@stephaniegrehan9084]

This completely explains my Mesoestetic mineral matt antiaging fluid! It's oily as hell when I put it on and I have to shake it up. Thank you

[@vanessamoreno2975]

Yessssssss I’ve been needing this !!!! I fell for most myths !!! Thank you so much you beautiful human being 😀😀

[@devrieoxner4633]

I love your videos! I work in the cosmetic sales industry, and I am always talking to my customers about sunscreen. I constantly preach that you need a sunscreen that you enjoy putting enough on and is a high enough SPF. I get so frustrated when people only want to by Hawaiian tropic SPF 15. Saying that however I use a titanium dioxide/zinc oxide on my face (Lise Watier, a Canadian brand) as I have yet to find a chemical sunscreen that doesn't make me insanely itchy on the face, but I can use them on my body.

[@johnsoncylee]

Thank you! I feel that those who use zinc sunscreen got this superiority complex and look down on us who prefer organic filters.

[@kyrakytana]

Exactly! I constantly have "friends" try to convince me to switch to SUPERIOR mineral sunscreens, even though they know that I HATE them, because they break me out and leave a white cast whenever I use enough product. It gets even better when they tell you that you just have to "rub it in" a few minutes to eliminate the white cast. Honey, you're rubbing your sunscreen OFF, not IN🤦‍♀️

[@donecurry1938]

You are wrong, many of us can't use chemical sunscreens, and we envy those who can.

[@millig8980]

There are a lot of people including me who are allergic to chemical sunscreen, where the skin starts tingling, become warm, eyes swell up and start watering even if it's applied carefully. Not to mention a scores of study regarding chemical sunscreens getting absorbed into the system. Oh and did I mention coral bleaching and EWG ratings?

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

If you're allergic to something obviously you should avoid it. Absorption isn't the same as harm, as the studies have noted. Coral bleaching is not caused by sunscreens: m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGrdh5mgbbZlps0 The EWG is a pseudoscientific organisation that used to promote the idea that vaccines cause autism.

[@Alexa_Kanelos]

I swear every “physical” sunscreen I’ve used (even EltaMD) has irritated my skin and has even caused contact dermatitis. I’m starting to think my skin is too sensitive for zinc.

[@ramenhair7178]

EltaMD physical dried out my skin so badly it felt HORRIBLE. Don't even know how to describe it. It took so long to recover.

[@alliblackman5020]

Same!!! The Neutrogena Hydro Boost was LOVED by my skin. When I went for the hypoallergenic physicals my skin felt horrible and had a huge reaction.

[@josephmizi2896]

Some of the physical sunscreens use coated zinc (silicone) which can cause contact dermatitis. Have you tried one thats silicone free?

[@morbikdon5245]

In my country, micno is getting more and more popular. Have you ever heard of it? I don't know if it is hype or real thing. Thanks so much for your videos Michelle! I love them.

[@PetDKK]

Aaah, thank you so much!! I feel SO blessed to have your videos! 😍🙌

[@cmelnik6567]

admittedly i prefer chemical sunscreen too for uv protection, but i have to say skin type is a big factor in why I don't mind using inorganic sunscreen formulas too. I am SO oily and I have noticed that the drying effect of oxides is a plus. The pastiness can be mitigated with some bronzer when I use those forms of SPF

[@c12486]

This is so useful I'm gonna look at inorganic sunscreens when I run out of my current one

[@charleswalsh9619]

Great breakdown! Would be great to see a myth buster on phalates and xenoestrogens in sunscreen

[@Albin9197]

Thanks for all your sunscreen videos! I know so much more about sunscreen now and it's really helped to alleviate my anxiety around it and now I can focus on finding the products that I like the most. I was putting mineral sunscreen on my tattoo this whole summer thinking it was "better" but it was causing my black ink to look blue for a bit! I was like ah it's just a minor thing but now I can rest easy knowing I can put nicer, lighter feeling sunscreens on my ink and it would work just as well. I'm planning on getting a sleeve too - I couldn't imagine putting that goopy mineral sunscreen all over my whole arm. I got my bf to use that sunscreen when we went paddleboarding and it got stuck on his leg hairs and he couldn't even get it off after a shower lol.

[@tsumetokiba]

Thank you for this video! So informative! I was wondering why bottles of physical sunscreen also say apply 15minutes before sun exposure Seems like so many myths started as marketing tactics

[@traepalmer]

The reason I don't like sunscreens with insoluble filters (so, the inorganic filters plus Tinosorb M and Tinosorb A2B) is that they show up in my facial hair. A tinted product solves this for one layer, but if I reapply a second layer of sunscreen with insoluble filters, it'll show up even if it's tinted. Sunscreens with all-soluble filters never show in my facial hair no matter how many layers I apply, so it allows me to reapply later in the day if I need to. The one instance where I do like sunscreens with only insoluble filters is around my eyes: I find that they sting less and the facial hair issue doesn't occur there.

[@alexanderolafsson4709]

I'm gonna link this on so many Facebook group questions from now on

[@twinoferos]

Welcome to Asia where the white cast is desirable and marketed as "tone up"

[@faceonnailsdonehairdid]

Just had to like for the KZbin algorithm(s) before getting back into the video- I already know it's going to be a good one and some heads may roll after this😏.

[@PlsWaLuigiDomMe]

Liked 1000x subscribe 10000x!!!!! Literally loved my chemical sunscreen so much but switched to a $40+ physical tinted sunscreen bc I fell into the marketing. Recently switched back before watching this video but felt bad. Thanks for this!!

[@itslissette6621]

I appreciate your informative sunscreen videos!!! There's so much information & misinformation online. As a newby to skincare (thanks, 2020 quarantine) it's easy for me to get overwhelmed.

[@capricorneum7745]

👏👏👏👏 Zinc lords! "better for the environment" is another myth.

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

Yes! That's going to have to be a whole other video 😩

[@cherrybearylemondrop]

@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I'm so excited!

[@justherke]

@@LabMuffinBeautyScience also the whole myth about having to apply chemical sunscreen directly on skin as opposed to zin oxide which you apply at the end of your routine

[@dododa6087]

@@justherke I'm sorry but what do you mean by that?

[@erazn9077]

@@dododa6087 With skin care there’s an “order of operation/application” sort of thing, so if you’re using multiple products at once i’ve read it’s good to start with a spot treatments (if needed), then moisturizer, and then is sunscreen. I’ve tried putting on sunscreen on bare skin and honestly i can’t tell a difference...bare or moisturized they both turn my face into a study of valleys and mountains lol pimples galore

[@sulakaricats]

Holy grail sunscreen for me for last 20 plus years....Natio Tinted SPF 50....shade light for me Often on sale available at pharmacy and department stores I usually pay between $12 and $14 AUD for 50 mls and buy 3 at a time when on sale Goes on like a light foundation/BB cream and very buildable so when I reapply it goes on well and looks good Love this sun screen and wear it everyday it’s enough coverage for daily wear for me I just add mascara and lip colour I have been asked multiple times what I use as my skin looks dewy and fresh.

[@KellyDriscoll]

This is a much needed myth busting video, thank you Michelle! ❤ (and I still say the bomb!)

[@BeautywithDu]

OMG! Loved the Kirby reference! Thanks for the video Michelle!

[@vidyaveeraraghavan6509]

I love how you busted all of the myths from Dr V

[@tatianaa.3694]

...You're simply the best, better than all the rest, better than anyone anyone I've ever met... 😜 Thank you soooooo much for being so nerd and make these wonderful videos. LOVE from Spain ❤

[@ci1161]

I like seasick sunscreen. It's mineral but quite easy to apply and doesn't leave me strong white cast. Also the efficacy was tested in 2022. Non greasy and I feel my skin is moisteurised for the whole day.

[@sheilavillar2974]

Thank you. I've always wanted to use organic sunscreens but I've always thought that the Casper-screens are better. I'm really gonna buy that biore now.

[@Kueytwo]

I have dark skin and hyperpigmentation from acne marks. I use Altruist Brand, but I would like a full review of this sunscreens from this brand. I really like it and want to keep using it but would like some good science review. Altruist band used tinosorb.

[@mytelevisionisdead]

Holy what an information dense video, fantastic work! Thanks a lot

[@barmus]

Got the mineral la roche posay shaker fluid on sale with the idea that it could work better than the chemical one I have been using and loving. Definetly under the impression that it offers less protection, I had a burned face for the first time in as long as I can remember even though I reaplied a lot more often than I would with the the invisible one. This may be more product specific but really made me rethink this whole myth.

[@zjenci]

Every time you say "notifications" (as in "click the bell to receive the notifications), I hear "nerd-ifications", and I think it fits. 🙂

[@esjebesje8638]

Yep I hear this too hahaha

[@mihaeladog7187]

I wish I paid more attention to those chemistry classes in school 😩. Chemistry is fascinating ❤

[@christinel6325]

I used to be all about zinc oxide because it was non irritating for me, but it usually dried out my skin. Since I discovered the Tinosorbs and the Uvinuls I stick to those. No irritation or dryness while getting excellent UVA/B protection.

[@donatapluskota9875]

How about safety of using the “chemical” one while you pregnant, breastfeeding or for kids?

[@cferracini]

She has another video about absorption by the skin. The takeaway is: your skin is not a sponge. But I'm not a doctor, so talk with your physician.

[@carak4356]

Read my mind! I was buying sunscreen today in Sephora and wondering about the exact hype and whether or not it was true. Thanks so much!

[@user-ed1oj2wo1b]

Mineral sunscreen works best on my dry sensitive skin whenever I use the other kind I break out in a rash and my face burns. People need to use what works for them not what someone says is debunked or not. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m also Hispanic and brown skinned and don’t get a white cast you just have to shop around I guess

[@user-gc3rv6jw3n]

Hi, same here i react to every chemical spf i have tried and have tried soo many. What is your favourite mineral one? I find it soo hard to like mineral spfs on my face. Also because i like a very natural look, not a foundation layer or like that... just personal preference.

[@user-ed1oj2wo1b]

@@user-gc3rv6jw3n hey 👋🏼 I have been currently using the cocokind one :) I’ve also used the Monat spf and I really liked that one a lot of people won’t buy though cause it’s a mlm but I just find someone who sells it and buy it off them but if you want just an easy one you can buy in store try cocokind 👍🏼 I like testing out different ones

[@user-gc3rv6jw3n]

@@user-ed1oj2wo1b Hi, thank you so much! Which one from the cocokind do you use, tinted or non tinted? And do you reapply both this sunscreens troughout the day? And are they nice without makeup? And what do you mean with: mlm? :) Hope to hear!

[@sheatheviking]

Another amazing video! Would love to see one on "does the order of skin care application matter?" Especially when it comes to actives like acids and tretinoin. Thanks for all your hard work! Start a podcast! (Because I'm sure you have oodles of free time)

[@roxymartin9094]

You're so good at explaining things!

[@moonlitskyes]

as a brown girl with melasma and hyperpigmentation I’ve been told time and time again that I should only be using tinted or physical sunscreens for my concerns, leading to regretful purchases of chalky and pasty sunscreens that I hated using for months. your knowledge has guided me to the light however, lol, and this video is truly the one that will help me forevermore with my sunscreen choices. thank you, once again, for your myth busting and sunscreen wisdom, michelle 🤍

[@rose2dimples]

How are you brown?? You look Asian

[@elise2068]

@@rose2dimples lol I think the person in the profile picture is a Korean actress

[@moonlitskyes]

@@rose2dimples yes, I am asian since I’m from india but my profile pic is of son ye jin, a korean actress.

[@umaimasiddiqui7376]

So can you tell ms If the ingredients in chemical sunscreen as a brown girl protected and prevent your melasma and hyperpigmentation than physical?? Because qs brown we tend to get educated from even youtube dermatologist ( brown ones) to uae physical or prefer physical because of our skin tone 2e get hyperpigment easily.. Im kinda concerned of using Chemical ( skin Aqua used to be bomb but it recently failed FDA test) so looking for the other

[@moonlitskyes]

@@umaimasiddiqui7376 ?? this video illustrates exactly why physical sunscreens aren’t better than chemical in terms of sun protection, which is the most important factor for not worsening or agitating hyperpigmentation and melasma, especially relevant for brown and black skin. chemical sunscreens do tend to irritate the skin a bit more so a combination sunscreen (with both chemical and physical filters) will probably be the best option for the least irritation possible with the best protection. elta md’s uv sport is my holy grail.

[@SusanSlattery]

Also, Invisible Fluid is the most aesthetic sunscreen I've ever used. I put it on, and then I'm like, "Wait, did I really put it on?" It's a liquid, I use three finger lengths on my face, half a finger on my ears, and two fingers on my neck and chest. I put it everywhere, including in my ears, on my eyelids and right up to my lower lashes. It does NOT migrate. I have to work fast. It sinks right in.

[@anaerobic]

'Mineral sunscreen effects on the reef are similar to chemical sunscreens.' I heard this recently, thoughts? I think we should really start pushing fuller coverage swimsuits as 'reef safe' instead of hyping up specific filters.

[@kaceynm]

She actually has a couple videos on the “reef safe” thing. You should watch them but in short there’s not much good evidence that sunscreen is a significant contributor to coral bleaching.

[@ty_chi_chi]

Personally, as a black woman, I'm pretty sad that I can't use chemical sunscreens as they give me massive frontal headaches. I've just had to get used to the chalk-white cast of physical sunscreens. :(

[@josseemacinnis1778]

Can you please give another sunscreen recommendations (and maybe include sunscreens accessible in Canada?) 😄

[@Jamie-qz6mo]

YES!! The queen has posted

[@serenawatanabe3816]

it is so appreciated, the work you do to translate your phD knowledge. thank you for making it accessible for the average brained! my skin thanks you 💙

[@susannadler9791]

I learned a lot. Thanks! I’m not sure if it’s already been done, but I would love to hear more about which organic (chemical) sunscreen ingredients are less likely to cause sensitivity/reaction on skin. I have had reactions in the past and dread having to test new ones.

[@FelineTomfoolery69]

Im happy someone finally said this, I’ve been absolutely loving chemical sunscreens and I feel like they are so effective. And I’m talking about US chemical sunscreens since Japanese and European are way too expensive for such a small amount. I hate all the fear mongering from soccer moms saying that mineral sunscreens are the best for you and the environment. Every time I say I wear chemical sunscreen people freak out and say “omg it’s causing you cancer!!1” It’s just so annoying

[@sct4040]

Zinc Oxide sunscreen is not better than chemical sunscreens. I use Olay Complete SPF 30, with both a chemical and physical sunscreen. Great video, Michelle.

[@ashleechmielewski8230]

I find it so odd that people thought sunscreen with zinc oxide and titanium oxide acts immediately. I use sunscreens with those ingredients and it still says on the bottle to wait 15 minutes. It’s so crazy how these myths come out of thin air. Growing up my family used chemical sunscreen but I always got burnt by the sun even if I reapplied every hour. I have very fair skin and take medicine that makes me more susceptible to sunburn. However, since using sunscreens with zinc oxide I have been having better results. I really dislike the chalkiness of them though, and I have dry skin so it really is not helping in that aspect.

[@lorainemcgillivray77]

Hi Michelle I use a mineral spf due to rosacea. I used and loved ultrasun for many many years (chemical sunscreen ingredients) and was always really happy with it - I still use their lip spf and on the body. When I developed rosacea many of the chemical filters sting/burn and I absolutely cannot tolerate a high amount of alcohol in the formulation. I find many of the mineral filters dry out my already really dry skin and have to moisturise well underneath them for them to be comfortable. It has become a real issue for me and has lead to a constant battle and searching for something my face will tolerate. I'm currently using either the paula's choice calm mineral spf30 normal/dry for face and a chemical spf everywhere else, or the skinceuticals mineral spf 50 face/neck/chest and a chemical spf everywhere else. Fragrance is an absolute no no for me too. Finding the PC calm and skinceuticals took A LOT of trial and error, with some severe irritation along the way. I'm aware chemical spf's give far better UVA protection and wish I could still tolerate them, but the irritation just isn't worth it. Being a bit dry is far better than days of flared up skin tbh. i'm not using mineral as i believe it to be better, but just due to irritation and issues with some of the chemical ingredients causing stinging/burning. Best wishes.

[@LabMuffinBeautyScience]

Yes, irritation is a legitimate reason to use mineral sunscreens! I talk about it in my earlier chemical vs physical video 😊

[@carolannthornton1918]

You're the bestie best expert of all! I rely on your education and research and funniness. Thankyou