Yes, but with extremely radical beliefs regarding what was idol-worship and worship of things not God combined with doomsday ideology. The qarmatians were an outlier within Shia, & Ismaili Shia islam, but certainly an historically interesting group to study.

Yes, though I think it is less hidden it and more forgotten about it as it became viewed as a bygone thing. This was a type of large scale slavery that certainly shaped European history but that has fallen into the dark, unknown, side of history. A history I intend to bring more into the light. Regarding North Africa and the Issue of skin color , coastal north Africans above Sahara have generally been pretty white skinned even before this trade and you can actually see this in art work from Roman times & before and look generally pretty similar to other Mediterranean people (there might exist some sort of genetic study that I am not aware of either that can shed light upon this as well) so the impact of Slavery on skin color would have been minor (people taken from norther Europe in comparison to southern Mediterranean Europe were negligible in terms of numbers).

The early (and arguably the later ones too) Islamic schools of jurisprudence were not in consensus regarding the definition and use of intoxicants under the term kahmr, some Hanafi jurists for example restricted the term to a narrower range of beverages and did have allowances for alcoholic beverages made from honey, barley, wheat and millet for example but not for beverages made from grape or dates, and also with exceptions such as long as you were not intoxicated to the degree you could not function , and in the early Hanbali school you had allowances for drinks not made by yeast fermentation (there exist other types of methods to produce alcohol too). You also had allowances among certain thinkers in the other schools for when alcohol was okay due to necessity. Early Muslim fiqh regarding alcohol was rather diverse and I can recommend this article in regards to some of the discussions in connection to it: Haider, Najam (2013). "Contesting Intoxication: Early Juristic Debates on the Lawfulness of Alcoholic Beverages". Islamic Law and Society. 20 (1): 48-89. Regarding my germ pronunciation with hard g instead of a j, I am not a native English speaker, so mistakes like that do unfortunately happen.😅

Well, I am actually Swedish and English is not my native language.

But, it is good that you think the information and topic is both interesting and great! 👍

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👍 I am glad you appreciate my efforts! And I did not know that those plants were also so highly held over in India, though it makes sense as they were imported from there and only grown in a limited fashion in for example southern Arabia.

Well it is kind of disconnected to the subject of the video, but even then I will reply and discuss this as I do disagree, there are a lot of problems which I would consider currently being worse than the religious-political problems associated with certain strains of Islamic thought (though I still think there are issues), I think the risk of nuclear war And/or WWIII between the great powers is a larger potential problem. I think that a lot of the issues found in the Middle East are more connected to clan politics and systemic corruption and issues of old dictatorships still retaining power (many of them started out as specifically secular but then often resorted to religion for political power reasons). I also think the global warming crisis is bigger as well and that the development of easy genetic engineering of biological weapons is another major issue of greater weight, and there are probably a lot more. Once again, this is not to say that there are not issues within various traditions of Islam, but Islam as a religion is far from the biggest issue humanity is facing currently.

Only according to you...

Probably a typo, but it could also just have been me mistyping it into Swedish (where it is Libanon rather than Lebanon) and/or autocorrect in the titlefile (which is used for creating text in the video editing software) miss-correcting it into Swedish.😅 But, yes that was very much not intended and I meant Lebanon.

​@theculturedjinni I mean in arabic its also an "I" sound, there is no e in arabic (there is e in urdu and farsi tho ے)

@@radish_irrational Yes, though it is pronounced as Libnaan in Arabic so it was probably me writing the Swedish version due to a mistaken in writing or due to auto-correct being set to Swedish.

👍 I aim to be interesting and educational and I am glad I am!😊

Yes, it also was preferable to drink in a lot of cases.

@@theculturedjinni could you perhaps touch on some of the recreational drugs that were available in the Islamic World? hash and khat come to mind. i once took a botany course called "Medicinal and Hallucinogenic Plants" and it was very interesting how a small dose of X can be therapeutic or serve a cultural purpose, but a large dose of X could be anything from poisonous, to psychedelic, to an effective appetite suppressant.

@@beepboop204 Sure thing, I have actually considered doing something about the use of psychedelic mushrooms that were used in a lot of mystical Sufi practices and this could be an extension of this.

@@theculturedjinni my best friend in high school was an Algerian dude whose last name was "Sufi" and i must admit that since then i have been very much fascinated by Sufi mysticism and practices. 😅

@@beepboop204 Funny namings! Sufism has not been my main focus generally, but I do have some videos planned associated with sufism that hopefully you will find interesting.

it is common to hear the idea about fresh-water sources being an issue for the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Europeans, so they consumed a lot of watered-down alcohol, either some sort of beer or wine. this always made me wonder about how people who didnt use alcohol would manage

@@beepboop204 Well they had other tricks as I mentioned here or they also used alcohol despite the rulings against it.

@@theculturedjinni i must admit, id never thought about the non-alcoholic options before lol i have watched some survival shows, but then that really brought to mind how the geography of the middle east is very different than europe or north america. it is interesting and somewhat hopeful to see how humans can survive and thrive because of their ingenuity and craftiness.

@@beepboop204 Yes, what really surprised me is how relatively modern some of the methods seem, using poison (plants and metals such as copper/silver) to kill germs & using chemical reactions with certain minerals to purify the water and so on, but in fact are quite the opposite and have been in use for a long time.

👍 I did not know that and are you sure it was just al-shaba? was it not al-sha'b= the people/tribe or some variant from sh +b+b = having to do with the youth(s)? (Sometimes transliteration from Arabic into latin can be very tricky and miss a lot of nuance)

Sorry but I can't understand whatever language it is you are writing in?

Actually I do think Mecca existed in the sources as told as there are a lot of factors that do speak in its favor of having existed, such as the water existing in the area, the name being generic enough (the watering place) and possible new (hence not mentioned by that name in the sources), it being in a strategic location for trade and the general implausibility of just making up an entire city from nowhere, and also Mecca is mentioned in the Quran which we know is at least a pretty early source for it.

@@theculturedjinni oh mecca existed all right. But not as described in islam. There r paintings showing a handfull of houses in like 1500s. So u misunderstood: mecca existed, muhammad didnt. Sirah, hadith - 200 yrs after the fact. Can u imagine even today, in times of cameras n stuff that we wait till 2170s to examine what did elvis say n do...

@@RealuserAlice Those paintings are artistic license because Mecca certainly had a permanent population in the several 10nds of thousands several centuries before (both in sources discussing the city and in taxation list accounts). I do not believe the entirety of the Islamic narrative and I do admit that there are a lot of potential fabrication within it but Mecca being as is described is something I find likely. Mohammed is a lot more foggy, but probably existed in some sort of form even if not how the sources depict him.

@@theculturedjinni 10000 + cattle on one well? Olive trees? No archeology? Ok.

@@RealuserAlice It is not only one well, as the zamzam dips into a greater reservoir of water underground. You will not be able to water a city of tens of thousands (in the later medieval period) without a large scale local water sources. Mecca & the surrendering area today has over a million local inhabitants and they get a lot of their water from the local ground water still. Water existed in enough quantities there for Mecca to be a viable large city in late antiquity.

As I have not read Bart Ehrman I cannot comment upon him, but I can say that while I agree that a lot of history is guess work (though it should be based upon qualified and reasonable argumentation and fact and not pure speculation without any reasonable backing), a lot of it is also based in evaluating which sources to believe or not (and even clearly biased sources can have valuable parts in them that can be used due to various circumstances and not everything in a biased source need to be affected by the bias either) and you have a lot of different theories and views on this. With this said, I do find it problematic how certain historians do take extreme leaps without due backing in fact or reasonable logic and that this later spreads causing misunderstanding and false destructive ideas to spread. Yet instead of trying to silence or censor bad views or information, I am of the opinion that the best way to counteract bad information is to do so with spreading good information with good arguments generally. So I and others will just have to take the load and do our part in order to spread good information (and hopefully avoiding spreading incorrect or badly argued information in the process but it is always a risk in these processes).

Quran 3:144; 33:40; 47:2 & 48:29 do mention Mohammed by name, so the Quranic corpus does mention him (and there are probably some old Quranic manuscript part that can attest to this) and there are also early stone inscriptions that are very near in time mentioning him too if I am not mistaken, I thus think that Mohammed did exist and was not another person.

​@@theculturedjinni I acknowledge that Muhammad did exist, however, his mention in the Quranic corpus is ambiguous and vague. It is speculated that the figure referred to in the Quranic corpus is prophet Mani, the founder of Manicheanism, mentioned as the "Praiseworthy" or "Muhammad." Meanwhile, it is a fact that Muhammad of Arabia, son of Abdullah, did exist. I never denied his existence; it's just that the Muhammad we believe to be a historical figure is different from the one mentioned in the Quranic corpus. Do you understand what I mean?

@@DomainofKnowlegdia Yes, though I still think considering Ockham's razor (also ,considering the later sources and statements that say they are the same) that it is more likely that they are the same person than someone else being the prophet who there exist very little indication of.

I am good 👍, I have just been very busy lately! I actually do think Mohammed existed in some sense, even if not exactly as the Islamic narrative would have it (though I still think parts of it is true), and I doubt the link to Mani and Manicheanism that some have proposed and I might actually make a future video about this some time in the future where I go more in depth into Mohammed as a historical figure.

@@theculturedjinni As I said before I am not denying the figure of Muhammad bin Abdullah's existence he was a historical figure we have so many sources that prove his existence I also reject the theory that Petra was the original Mecca in fact I believe that Mecca existed before the time of Muhammad Bin Abdullah its just that Muhammad's life in Mecca is not very clear and we know very little we have more information after the hijra event according to the Islamic tradition it could be that Muhammad was from Yathrib and had no connection to Mecca and never claimed to be a prophet or apostle of God he was a warrior, military commander and head of a state. Who spent whole of his life in Yathrib he was no merchent or business man he was possibily born in Yathrib.

@@DomainofKnowlegdia Here i can agree that there are a lot of ambiguity and murkiness in the history that makes it hard to know exactly who Mohammed was and what he did.

@@DomainofKnowlegdia Mohammed is certainly a historic character that is very hard to pin down due to the state of the sources being later, possibly biased, and contradictory.

@@DomainofKnowlegdia extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources. What are your sources for any of this? From what I understand you are basing your argument on the lack of historical information of his(Sallah Alaih Wasalm) time in Mecca and similarities to another religious figure. I admit huge amount of bias on the topic as a Muslim but considering how much Muslims were attacked and how few of them could read/write in Mecca, there is a reason for not having records before the Battle of Badr.

Yeah, it kind of happens a lot especially when I shift back and forth between English and Arabic (I do not really do this when I just speak Arabic alone for a time), as I kind of keep trying to reboot my brain for the new foreign language (neither English or Arabic are my native languages and switching between them is harder than switch between them and my Swedish mother tongue )

@theculturedjinni I know is a heart for non Arabs to pronounce the harsh letter in Arabic specifically the ع but the big problem turn on Arabic speaker when they want to pronounce the letter ع they go hard to and they Force themselves to go back there throat just to pronounce the ع that is painful just for advice for you go easy when you say the ع and try to pronounce this like the Swedish Ja

True, I did overdo it there.😅

Yes, now that you mention it, it is very similar. Maybe even the claims of Sajah bint Al-Harith al-Tamimi being a self proclaimed prophetess could also have been a sort of a propaganda against her in later writings. I generally think the Riddah wars were a lot more different that mostly portrayed in the more classical Islamic narrative. This is due to a lot of contradictions both in between the sources (saying that some groups were apostates and others claiming that they were simply never under Islam until Abu Bakr conqured them) & in pure reasonable likelihood. It would not surprise me if the narrative around Sajah could have been a construct to fill a certain narrative. Maybe this could be a future video. The Barghawata are a bit later but they certainly were also a very large thorn in the Umayyads' side and also to the later Fatimids and Al-muraabiTuun, I might actually make a video about them too as they are an important yet pretty unknown hence "dark" group. You gave me some ideas for future videos!👍

👍 I am glad you found it fascinating!

👍 You do have a point that there could have been elements of this, as certain Jewish & christian mystic groups have practiced various types of meditations under even the influence of drugs and thus get mystic visions, that sometimes were even sought by others and that others not of the faith practice could have interpreted as being Pagan practices. I never considered this so it was a very good speculative hypothesis on your part, though I would probably still think it was mostly due to propagandist purposes that she was portrayed as a magic practicing pagan.

Well, I also think that Russia is losing this war. Russia has had losses, both in manpower and in economic terms due to sanctions & attacks on their oil refining capacity , that point towards this not being sustainable for them.

@@theculturedjinni Russia had a strategy to make their economy sanctions proof and it worked. They are selling their oil higher than the "cap" price in large quantities. Just look at Tucker Carlson's visit to the grocery store in Moscow, so much cheaper than the West who really is suffering from their own sanctions. I have family in Donbass. Things are so much better there since it reunited with Russia. The Donbass people never want to be part of Ukraine again, which was something artificially put upon them by the Soviets during the CCCP formation

@@tamalfrost2220I doubt those things, sanctions seem to be working as Russian official and diplomats constantly complain about it, Gazprom is currently at a reported loss & Rosneft has extremely reduced revenue (and will probably operate at a loss this year), and the ruble has constantly been subject to inflation despite the very high policy interest rates from the Russian central bank and the economic support of the Russian state buying its own currency, food prices must be taken in consideration to the purchase power and earnings of the people there. And we are not really suffering from our own sanctions (prices have lowered here in Sweden recently in comparison to earnings). Also, Russia has no right to invade and force border changes regardless of the situation in the Donbass.

​@@theculturedjinni how come Russia has a GDP growth of 3% then? Here in the UK and also in EU countries the food prices have risen to eye-watering levels. I'm glad it's not bad for you in Sweden, but here it is fubar. Meanwhile, my family members in Russia live well and prosper. The Donbass people are ethnically Russian, have always spoke Russian. They went along with project Ukraine until they could not anymore ( When Ukrainian ultra-nationalust neo nazis took power in the coup de etat of 2014 and were set on brutalising the "orcs" [Russians]) It was the Kuev regime that invaded Donbass that started this war. The Donbass people held a referendum and 97% wanted independence. Nobody in the west wants to recognise this. They ignore democracy when the result is not to their liking. Please understand, Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. It was always bad, hard going, poor, corrupt, low wages, etc. My ex-wife was so glad to leave. She called herself Russian. I didn't understand this at that time. Now I do. Ukrainian soldiers threatened my family members at gunpoint, held Severodonetsk under martial law for years, stole my brothers car and my father in law's car. Russian soldiers treated my family members with respect, gave food, gave toys for the kids, and Russian government gave my brother in law and his family a free holiday in Crimea. You will never hear this in mainstream media. I knew mainstream media were lying when their narrative since 2013 was completely false from what I was told by my family there. I have boots on the ground and know what's really going on. The Donbass people have been shelled , killed, and brutalised by the for es of the Kiev regime. They will not forgive, they will not return to this corrupt and dark governance

​@@theculturedjinni and the World Bank has just come out and said that Russia is now the world's 4th biggest economy, having overtaken Germany and Japan. Still think those sanctions are working?

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👍Sure I can (I have written it on my to do list), and he is an interesting figure in interesting times as he is an example of how regionalized & chaotically fractured politics became in the shadow of the chaos of Samarra period.

​​​@@theculturedjinniIf you do a video about him, please try to explain who are the 2 "Sons of Rustam" who rebelled in Tabaristan and invited him to be their leader. I always wonder who are these 2 guys...

@@History_Teller1250 Will do! There are some interesting interpretations about them.

👍 I will keep them coming, hopefully with a lot of unique and new creative content!

I will write it up on my to do list! 👍 (though it might be a while until I get to it as the to do list is quite long)

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💯 true!👍

I might make a discord server for myself in the future. Right now I have full time work IRL and this channel to care for. But, good idea!👍

@@theculturedjinni ur video, the way u do things & compare. Dude ur an absolute genius. U provide so much help. This content needs to be organized & given to a much larger audience. We need an age of “enlightenment” & it todays day & age won’t take as long, but we couldn’t accept values of Machiavelli or all of Nietzsche prior. Maybe this is the solution. Maybe the persians or Germanic caliphate rule are only solution Maybe our generation is the solution. I don’t know. I do believe that Arabs can’t offer much anymore & I don’t trust the ottomons. It’s a difficult situation we are in.

@@Technique787 I am glad you think so and I will continue making content like this as I very much strive to contribute to the spread of human knowledge. Some of what you write is not entirely clear (especially the part about persians, Germanic Caliphate or Ottomans?) but I think I am getting the gist of it, and yes I agree that the Islamicate world ( more specifically the Middle East) does find itself in a difficult situation yet I think we will see improvements eventually there (economically, educationally and culturally and in terms of security & stability) as I am seeing some positive developments. Europe in much developed their culture as a reflection of the consolidation of states and also their cultural changes were reflected too in the consolidation. So it was a mutual process but also a very long process that sometimes like during the 30 years war was far more brutal than anything we have seen in the Middle East recently. We also have to remember that a lot of the states found in the Middle East are pretty young as they were more or less created in the aftermath of European colonization and the fall of the Ottomans. Institutions that will help in developments in society and take time to become legitimate and to be established and culture also takes time to adapt and to want these institutions too. I also think a lot of the disorder & problems we are seeing is a result of attempts or reaction to attempts to actually change things in a positive direction.

👍I did not mean that they weren't different from each other. it was just that in early history of Islam the differences were less and they were less distinct as different groups than they would become later. I hope this clarified the matter if I was not clear in the video.

@@theculturedjinni Sunni remained the same

@@TheMostSusGuy I would actually say that the all the Islamic sub groups of Sunnis, Shi'as and Ibadis all changed to various degrees in different areas over time in terms of theology and the like. Islam like other religions is very much a reflection of its believers and the thinkers and priority of sources within all of those traditions did much of their theology in response to the needs around them.

@@theculturedjinni Sunni wasn't a sect before, the people who claim to follow default Islam are called Sunni. Wikipedia isn't a great source to learn Islam btw, it has a lot of lies.

​ @TheMostSusGuy It of course depends upon how you define sect, but to me sect is a sub-group (sect <--> section) of a religious tradition and here the Sunni are as much a sub-group as the Shia, they are just the tradition that is bigger. I have not based my view on this on Wikipedia (I actually have a background in history with a master where I did work with Arabic-Islamic Abbasid History and prefer relying on literature in the field & things I have observed in my studies). I have rather based it upon the observable fact that the traditions associated with what we observe as Sunni Islam evolved gradually, the earliest sira traditions were written down a century after Mohammed & the hadith collections were collected from the 8-10th centuries AD, the description ahl as-sunna wa al-jamaa'a (from which Sunni derives) does not appear until the Abbasid era at first in polemics with the Mu'tazila and then also with the Shi'a/ali aligned groups as a counter claim of legitimacy. You do not have the madhaahib of fiqh until the 8-10th centuries. You have not the theological traditions of Ash'ari and Maturidi until centuries later 9th-11th century (arguably they were also rather different at the beginning than they would become later), and you have differences in interpretation of regarding the creation of the Quran, God sitting on the throne, the attributes of God, questions of abrogation in the quran and the issue of the the ahadiith al-qudsiiya in determination of importance & relation to the Quran. Issues that mostly now today are not that central but were back then and had a lot of differences in interpretation than today. Sunni Islam has very much been an evolving group of traditions within Islam. Similar can be seen in the case of the Shia. Furthermore, coming from the outside perspective (as I am not a believer) I do not place greater trust in the Sunni narrative of history than the Shia regarding the beginning of Islam either (it really depends upon a source by sources or case by case basis what I think is more reliable). Especially not when you see all of the inherent contradictions in regards to other sources and narratives not to mention inside of them. I do not think that there is any sort of unchanged group of Islam rather there are different groups evolving from the original Muslims and the groups within Islam as we understand it evolved through several historical processes (and are still evolving). I hope this clarified it. 👍

Axum had already collapsed by the 12th century so you are right in that Alwa/Alodia was stronger by then , but I would argue that it was the downfall of Axum in the 10th century (which previously had been way more powerful than Alwa/Alodia) that lead to the slow beginning of the end of the peace with smaller scale raids back and forth. It was only the Fatimids reliance upon slaves and conflicts on other fronts that made the peace last during that time not the kingdoms in the south that prevented it from aggression southwards unlike as had been the case during the Umayyad and Abassid eras before when Axum did act as an active threat that could raid the red sea coast and do military invasions of southern Arabia and northwards too.

Sorry you're correct, the axumites collapsed in the 9th to 10 century I was wrong on my original statement, but I stand by my original statement that Makuria was in no way a buffer state for the axumites, if the Arabs wanted to attack axum (which they did attack the port city of adulis ) they would have simply crossed the bab al mandeb and they did, as far as the kingdom of Alwa we know little of them but we do know they reached their zenith between the 9th to 12 centuries, they had the largest supply of agriculture in the region,even interfering in axumite politics by marrying an alwan prince named Malachi to an axumite masoba he viewed himself as helping the declining aksumite kingdom.

@@asiaelniel2530 It is okay to disagree upon this, and upon how important Axum was. I would still maintain my view of Axum's importance as Axum was mentioned as a strong force and sea invasions would not have been in the favor of the Arabs generally. The coast would have been easier controlled by the Axum empire which also sacked for example Jedda and threatened Mecca at times and it would have logistically been hard for the Umayyads and Abbasids to maintain an invasion, also considering how fragile their hold over Yemen generally was, more nominal control than de facto, it would not have been a good base of operation for an invasion. Thus, a land invasion would have been preferred if it was not for Makuria that even if not de jure a buffer state would have acted as de facto buffer that could have played both sides in a conflict and possibly made a fight there extremely risky and thus peace was maintained. But again, disagreement is 100% fine! History has a lot of spots where things are very much subject to discussion in terms of interpretation. This is also a place where I am open for the possibility that it was more local power that kept invasions away too, rather than a stand off between Axum and the Arabic northern caliphates.

I agree 💯, Axum was at It's height from the 4th to 8th centuries a very powerful state, for sure no disagreement on my part on that.

Hello, there are actually a lot of issues with Patricia Crone's ideas regarding Mecca not existing: Mecca does have large underground water reserves where for example the Zamzam well takes its water and this seems to have been directed in past for irrigation so that you could grow things there. The city is in the middle of what has been known to have been used as a trade route for a long time ( we even have the ruins of roads from the Lihyan period (6-3rd century BC) going through the area. And we do know now that close cities & settlements such as Jadda did exist under different names in the area around Mecca, making it likely that Mecca did too but under another name than just the "water place". The qibla direction, as argued by people such as Dan Gibson, is actually not true as it was conducted using a skewed sample, furthermore the direction of the Qibla was also not standard Islamic practice in early Islam either as for example even the much later Muraabituun (moravids) & Muwahhaduun (almohads) in northwest Africa (which are groups after the year 1000 AD) still built mosques facing other directions. The direction of prayer or building of mosques in that direction is consequently not something that is strong evidence against Mecca. I hope this clarified the matter. 👍

I am not really understanding the question, but I guess you ask about if I will mention more about the Sassanids' actions on the Arabian peninsula? I actually plan to do that in future videos. 👍

The Qarmatians were certainly many things some were ascribed to them some they really were.

And then the Banu Hudhayl tribe showed Abu Tahir his place...

👍 Always glad to provide interesting content!

Personally, I think a modified version of the classical narrative is more believable with the Quraysh being a local Arab group in the Hijaaz region, which had grown rich due to the trade from the southern Arabia and the north going through the Mecca area and the Lakhmids and Ghassanids are other groups separate from Islamic history as there is not any evidence for a Lakhmid or Ghassanid connection.

I did not make the map, but if I would guess I could see it as being some sort of local minority majority of immigrants coming from the eastern African coast where the Shafi'i school has been prominent. This is just my guess though, it could also have been the result of local conversion efforts.

@@theculturedjinni , there are also the cape malay muslims; maybe they could be related to that?

@@Jedd0 They could also be a potential candidate for why it is dark blue as Malay Muslims tend to be followers of the Shafi'i school, I am not at all familiar with South Africa and my familiarity with South East Asian Muslim traditions is somewhat limited, but I know that the Shafi'i School is the predominant school in Indonesia and Malaysia (though both Hanafi and Hanbali traditions have existed there. The Hanafis through trade with Islamic polities in India and the Hanbalis through strong influence by various Hanbali Suufi groups having had a large influence and missionary activity there).

On that statement I would mostly agree with you. Islam is a lot closer to Judaism in being more focused on divine law than Roman Christianity (there are other types of Christianity like the Ethiopian traditions that are a lot closer to Islam in terms of legalistic thinking).

👍and I am thankful for you watching my content!

could you perhaps talk about the dominant narratives that existed for the various historical Islamic socio-political religious schools/empires? as in, how they place the rise of Islam in the "story of the world" and how they place themselves in history as both inheritors of, and precursors to, something like "the heights of human civilization"

@@beepboop204 Do you mean their own view of themselves in the grander narratives of the world and the rise of Islam? Not how we describe them?

@@theculturedjinni yes, how they saw themselves and what they saw themselves as doing, their internal teleological view. as a Canadian, we are used to hearing this sort of stuff from our sourthern neighbor all the time 😅 its always fascinating to me how people (singular or plural) can confidently look at themselves in one light, whereas people on the outside can see them in a completely different one. dont get me wrong i love objectivity and neutral 3rd-party stances, but it fascinates me to understand what people are up to by just asking them 😆

@@beepboop204 👍 I might do some more focus on this, after all I have done similarly before when I talked about how the Ottomans adopted the roman legacy and saw themselves as the continuation of the Roman empire. Just like in the West there has not been one singular view within all of the various polities that have existed in the Middle East and this is something I will have to incorporate over several videos. But, it is something I will keep in mind.

تظنه زنديقا لكن لكثكير من الناس يعتبرونه مفكّرا علامة عظيما في الفكر الإسلامي لم يزل ذا الصلة في تآوير الإسلام لهم و أعتبره من العظماء في كلا الفكر و التراث الأسلاميين و هو مهم كشخصٍ تآريخي أيضأ . على أي حال هذه القناة مفتوحة للآراء المختلفة فقبلت تعليقك إذ قد وقف في المرشّح قبل قبولي إياه .

I am glad you liked it!👍

Actually, this is a pretty recent thing, historically the various Ethiopic dynasties & political entities have had access to the sea, mostly in what is modern day Eritrea, through port cities such as Massawa & Adulis that either were directly under their control or indirectly as vassals. That modern Ethiopia is a land locked country is a relatively modern thing. Historically it has had access to the sea.

@@theculturedjinni LMAO what are you talking about that's Afar, tigre and Beja lands that the tigrinya ruled 😂 How on earth does that make it 'ethiopic' the Amhara and Oromo have never had sea access and that's who crested ethiopia in conjunction with the Europeans. Stop reading fantasy books

@@theculturedjinni Zeylac, Djbouti, Berbera, Ras Hafun, Hobyo and Mogadishu were port cities from antiquity and it is somalis that took advantage of the monsoon pattern. Sultanate Badlay was the one who built the port in Eritrea when the Afar accepted the Somali Adal rule... Loool if you don't know something it's not good to talk on it. Eritrea has many people with rich history for you to be calling it ethiopic because of Meneliks conquests 😂 land he never ruled and sold out to colonisers in exchange for weapons to take more land to create his fake 'ethiopia'

@@shafsteryellow Axum, the Zagwe and the later Solomonic dynasty (which you could argue is the only Ethiopic one) had at various times control of those areas, this is applying modern definitions to historical entities that were far different in their border structures than today. Massawa for example was under tributary vassalage for most of medieval history and in the 15th century due to Gabra Masqal II it was under the direct control of the Solomonic dynasty, but was lost in the 16th century and same for the 19th century up to the 20th century as due to Yohannes IV the coast of Eritrea was once again under Solomonic control. I know quite a bit and I would recommend to see for example: Pankhurst, Richard (1997). The Ethiopian Borderlands Essays in Regional History from Ancient Times to the End of the 18th Century

👍I will write those things on my to-do-video list.

@@theculturedjinni looking forward to it.

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@@theculturedjinni okay, how else should I show my respect to this language than to repeat the words he clearly wrote in big red letters to be repeated by people..

@@nyb101 Sorry I meant no offense by my comment, the opposite in fact! I am just glad you liked it!👍

It is my pleasure!👍

👍 I have something like that planed regarding the golden age of Islam (though it is still only on the drawing board stage)! I might also make a video where I argue the issues in defining the Golden age as well as you could argue that the early and middle Ottoman times also had similar achievements and you also had similar developments during the Umayyad period. Then there is the entire issue of using terms such as "Dark" and "Golden" to describe time periods, which there is a large debate about generally in history. Also, I have not seen that channel and video, but I might look it up.