Bosch ECU can’t be done. I tune TL Type S and RLs.

Yes Boston ma lol. What color fl5/de5 or fk8 you got?

@ white de5. Hbu?

Run good on regular? They see a lot of knock on regular, reducing boost and timing why would you even put regular on anything turbo charged

@ have you not driven anything turbo AND direct injected specifically though? like a stock Accord 2.0T?

@@aggnal2892 yes, my coyote was boosted, had a g20 bmw “turbo” i daily now an Fe1 24 Si also know the basics of tuning and these Hondas DONT LIKE 87. The knock sensors have a party and reduce a lot of timing and boost to prevent failure. Can you run it sure the car will adapt to it, SHOULD YOU RUN IT ON A TURBO CHARGED D.I engine? Hell no why would you

@@hialeahhigh bro, I was speaking of STOCK BOOSTED DI Turbo engines. that is the scope of my original post

@@aggnal2892 yes even in stock form they see a lot of knock with cheap 87 has shit they see knock with mediocre 93 or 91 bone stock

i came here to say the same thing. i think my dude from group n is a liar or at least trying to make the swap look worth it mpg wise.

i already see it coming. once something becomes popular, ppl are gonna hop on the bandwagon and start shitting on what came before it. people can’t just let others do what they want

​@@xavierramirez1911 how old are you 2? I'm very sure you guys are teens 😂 outsiders will shit on the k , I haven't seen anyone shit on H or B they dont know about F... they do have a problem with D series tho; that's just the guys hunting for big power an the fact will remain if your car came with it leave it. If it needs a replacement change it. For me if this motor sounds better ....I'll go with it if not k remains the way the truth and the light .

Yeah I agree. I'm not a loyalist, I got into the honda game pretty late in my life, was introduced to H-series, and then K-series. But man, these builds are just getting more and more interesting. Lately G23 has been on my feed lately to which I knew nothing about and didn't even fathom was possible! But Honda truly is a wonderful platform to play around with. I don't like the direction that Honda has been going in lately, but at the end of the day they are competing against the world and its turbochargers, so I get where Honda is coming from with the changes.

R18 is no where near in terms of performance as compared to L15B7 R18 makes 140hp this makes 174hp from factory and it has way more potential in terms of power as compared to the R18 which is naturally aspirated only way to make power from a R18 which would be comparable to this would be a turbo R18

R18 heads warp just by looking at them wrong.

@johnnyd4200 not True

They also suffer from crack blocks.

@@jimxiong04 only the blocks which were made from 2006-2007 after that no issues

He said from changing chassis

We have this engine here in our country with mods and tuning without touching the internals smoking w204 C63 AMG p31 package with launch control a 6.2L V8 getting smoked by a small 4 cylinder 1.5T is impressive even no reliability issues so far on 400+hp with a cvt and yet you think this engine is crap wow thats astonishing 😂

@@FB6K24Z7k series still the best option.

@@Marbind true that but they are discontinued after 2016 and it's only a matter of time after a few years they are going to sky rocket in price coz availability is going to go down just like the H-series and B-series so the alternative cheaper option at that time will be the L15 turbo or the K20C1 turbo which is no K-SERIRS it's just a over sized L15 turbo you can say its a L20C1 with just a K-SERIES badge on it

+1. I daily a JDM 98 spec DC2 R with a B18c and get around 6litre/100Km which is around 35 Mpg in US gallons. Of course it depends on the type of driving, so blasting through Vtec compared to sitting at 100kph/60mph is going to give different results. Doing the latter I can see 40Mpg handily enough. It doesn't burn oil either(must be a unicorn😁). So yeah, unless someone is banging off the rev limiter all the time, no way is a B18 only returning 18-20 Mpg. Or they've a petrol leak...

@@BoostedEP3 you're turbo b16 is not as efficient as a turbo L15. Newer technology.

I had to pause the video when he said all that to come see if anyone else commented what I was thinking. Yep!

@@Superb_Owl80 Same.😁 Don't get me wrong, I think Hondata make some _very_ nice kit and that L15 swap is a great idea and really nicely done(love how they kept it looking "stock"). It will as they say be great as an engine swap alternative to keep our cars on the road, and should be cheaper. Certainly cheaper than rebuilding a B series or maybe even a K swap going forward. Better for emissions too. They don't need to add in dubious figures, we know are dubious, to sell it imho.

No lies, true.

I'm sure it can be done since people swap Ks into MR2s and Integras all the time. Just being a relatively new swap in general (L series), there will be some learning curves to getting all the little details sorted.

I see it as a resto mod, but on a "modern" car. Turnkey, don't have to worry about it, you can use it as a daily driver, it can be smooth and quiet... If you want to do upgrades, info is out there on the engine and ECU and what you can do with it. I think it's pretty awesome, I supercharged my 09 Si 100k miles ago and kept it as stock as I could. It is a great car. I really like this swap.

@@volvo09 Agree, if I were building a resto mod , used as a street car. I can't imagine a better package. However, my comment to the author was based on their consistent push toward efficiency as a marketing tool vs what people would actually care about. Again, I understand the background and appeasing certain organizations. In general, I believe if Hondata want to sell this product they need to clearly identify the performance benefit along with being environmentally friendly / compliant with regulations. Since the focus is only on efficiency and regulatory compliance, they are not seriously trying to sell the product.

@@Goldenagehonda I get where you are coming from. I'm one of the smaller market who bought my original flash pro from hondata to run my stock 09 Si on E85, tuned it myself and eventually supercharged it to take advantage of the fuel, but I didn't go all out... I kept the stock intake and OEM filter, stock exhaust, and all the emissions stuff (even though I didn't actually have to). It made the car into a great daily driver with power, and I've gone 100k miles after that without having to touch the engine besides maintenance. So this is really cool to me, it totally fits my attitude of performance is cool, but I like the vehicle itself more than getting everything possible out of it performance wise. But like you said, it's a great street car option.

The L series is not a "performance" engine. The tuned safe limits are half that of a K motor. Tuned L's on stock bottom end have weak head bolts, rod bolts, and rods and have blown. So that should answer your question why they don't sell the performance because in today's market 250 horses seems anemic. In yesteryear's market 250 was a lot. Not anymore. In Europe they might bring it up as power and displacement is less for most people's street cars.

@@jamesmedina2062 You are missing the point. From a business perspective, they will sell $0 by claiming efficiency on its own. However, their business could sustain or grow by showing the performance benefits at the sub 300 hp level. The L series at 200hp feels faster than a K series at 200hp but most people in your line of thinking believe its a D16Y7. The point is to normalize the performance of the L series vs the K and B. Especially in the sub 300 hp range. There is no significant data to support any claims, but anechoically, the majority of K swapped street cars I've seen are NA builds. Track builds and Drag cars are such low volume its not even worth discussing or they already run something other than Hondata. If I were a "kid" or "old man builder" daily street driving an old Honda, 250 hp and 40 mpg with reliability and OEM parts support would be a plus. I suppose there are a handful of people building ++++ hp cars but that market is not valuable to chase in this product line.

Cheap and a dime a dozen. B18c are stupid expensive now a days.

Indeed

@@manlb9254 k20s are even cheaper and WAY more potential

⁠i wont argue with that. Im personally building a k24 rwd for my s2k. But the L15 is already turbo which saves you a lot of money compared to k swapping. Unfortunately only time will tell when k swaps will sky rocket in price like they did when they 1st came out and how the b series engine is also becoming hard to find and expensive. The L15 will be the new future and those with deep pockets will rock the k20c T

Yes, for an adult owned street car, or an adult owned Track car(my case), New > 23 years old. I am still not on the bandwagon that this is better than a Kswap, but compared to a B series its more economical, reliable, durable and powerful.

@ 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Also, I saw your Gingerman posts on your channel… I absolutely loved that track when I used to live up north 20 years ago. I ran a ‘88 CRX with a D16 (DOHC ZC) a lot there. I loved having a super affordable option and I feel like the L15 swap might be the same.

@@rushmatic Sweet. yeah Gingerman is the Tsukuba of North America IMO :). Currently given the cost of quality B series parts, the L series is a good option for cost. The only issue is that most of the lower end L15's are not durable and you need to get the B7, BE (mine) or whatever the newer generations are which have the stronger rods. I would put this on par with a K swap in terms of cost (now that people actually make parts), but better for overall longevity and not having to source things from Japan. Again, IMO probably the best option for someone looking for a street build in the 200-250ish HP range.

@@Goldenagehonda Quick question, are you running an LSD in yours? Do you have any regrets about your swap?

@@rushmatic Unfortunately, I am running the stock SI helical. I'm debating on selling the car, but if not.. I'll put in a M factory plate diff in spring. In my B18CR, the Osgiken Plate diff alone was a little over 1 second per lap improvement at gingerman using the same B18CR, tune , tires, etc. vs the factory helical LSD. Do I have regrets for the swap? In some cases as a long term honda enthusiast (since 1998) I've been apart of about every trend in hondas. I wanted to be early in the L series for learning purposes and to see if there were business opportunities. In the end, I lacked some of the engineering technical requirements personally and felt the market for L swapped classic Hondas was pretty weak from an investment side. For Fit's, CRZ's, etc its a good option, but I am not a company and don't care to be apart of the market for those chassis. Regarding the swap itself. I started the swap in early 2022 which meant nothing was made. Through the very small community I could get key items made but had to wait almost a year for key components. At the time, I was motivated to build a track monster, but the lack of A/M enthusiasm killed my desire. TBH I now know that many of them were dealing with the gov't agencies and/or understood that the K series would continuously own the majority share of the market. Regarding the track performance... IMO it would have been better for me to do a K swap. The L series is good, but generates a lot of heat and isn't as engaging as a K or B on track. It has very useable power and is enjoyable, but given the lower speeds of a ~200hp track car, the scream of a B or K makes the activity more enjoyable. I double down that if I drove this car on the street. the L series would 100% be my choice. Track car is probably better suited for a K

I would love an EK hatch with a modern engine. The power and fuel economy would be incredible, even with the stock tune.

@@volvo09 Yes, its a big difference from a B series and at street speeds. Feels faster than a K (although not actually faster)