Huh.. Funny how people have different experiences, I'm having a blast playing this with friends

Never really run magic in souls but it's not "hated" the only instance where one can really see magic being "overpowered" is when facing gankers because managing a crazed unlimited fp freak spamming you while his boyfriend charges at you with a bleed build can get annoying

I think its actually good to have something like that that gives a soft easy difficulty

And there is sire gideon ofnir the omnicient

Souls fans try not to be loser nerds about everything challenge: impossible

As a casual who’s never played a souls game but enjoys magic themed novels and movies I just started with it because it looked cool lol I didn’t even know what parrying was when I started

Maybe just let people play the game how they want to? My first jump into the souls games was Elden ring. I never played a magic build but ran a arcane/dex/faith build for awhile and now running a pure dex/faith build for the dlc.

A friend use a strenght/bleed build and in 2 hit dealt so much damage that 25% of mesmer hp got destroy On top mesmer got stun giving my friend the opportunity to frontstab Most well done build are op not just magic

BRO THIS IS WHY CERTAIN GAMES SHOULDNT ADD PVP BC PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING BEING TOO OVERPOWERED WHEN ITS ORIGINAL INTENTIONS FOR BEING THAT IS TO KILL ENEMIES FOR THE MAIN PVE PART OF THE GAME , YOU COMPETITIVE SORE LOSERS RUIN THE GAME BY SELFISHLY DEGRADING THE CONTENT THE GAME OFFERS BC YOU SUCK AT INVASIONS OR GETTING INVADED . THE GAME ISNT ABOUT PVP ITS ABOUT STORY AND BEATING THE STORY

Erm actually it’s pronounced “unga bunga” not “oinga boinga”

Honestly I find magic spam to be mid against bosses when compared to whatever happens to be the meta ash of war on le meta weapon.

Because they don't know what they're talking about. I did strength and quality builds all my souls playthroughs and i just did magic for the first time and holy shit it's so stupidly hard. Stagger doesn't fucking exist, i absolutely NEED summons so i can actually get alot of my better spells off for these instantly up your booty hole bosses, and blocking is also not great because shields that have better guard on them require str. Now a str/magic user would be good but it would be because of the strength. I get some free bosses that are slow which is like three of them but str and probably dex users get free bosses two. If seen playthroughs of strength builds r1 spamming enemies and bosses to death that i have to dodge roll for five minutes so i can cast one spell to do 1/30th of their health. I am having a blast playing a magic build though, its an entirely different kind of game for me now. Also ive learned that magic is about cheesing the system. You literally have to work smarter because you will die if you try to actually get in and fight most things. Lorettas greatbow is bread and butter for snipping enemies that will decimate you otherwise.

I think the weirdest thing about DMC, is that the more surprising development than, apparently, Vergil f*cks, is that AGNES F*CKED AND BOTH BEFORE DANTE💀

Its funny because i was getting cooked in the dlc when going int/fai build but as soon as i respect into str all the bosses were two or three tries at the most. I think magic is good against overworld bosses but when you're in an small arena it sucks

Yall just bad at the game if you whine over how "op" it is. There's a thing called spell parry, use it noobs

i hate mimic and magic user for same reason. with both of this thing you don't even try to dodge bosses' movements. i think it's disrespect to the enemies moveset its not an idle clicker game you need to use more than one button...

What about the fingerprint shield spear users haha 😂

Those loser are the one how kill u evwrytime in pvp thats why the hate.

Shield & sword for me pal

Meanwhile I play as a paladin...

Play the game how you want. It doesn’t matter what play style you use. A lot of the people in the souls community have a toxic mindset

So I stream this game and the shadow of the erdtree dlc. Ive gone full strength. Colossal hammer. And I’ve had a few people tell me. Using a full strength build is overpowered. That’s why you’re beating the game….so it seems to me every build can be overpowered. If you have enough stats.

Every build can be OP. Magic has a drawback and it’s being a glass cannon. And that problem gets exemplified in ng+. Like strength builds bully the game in ng compared to magic. People only complain cause they are bad, all magic has VERY easy tells and isn’t crazy hard to dodge especially after the nerfs. Git gud

I mean it’s magic, it’s supposed to be an extraordinarily powerful and mystical way to attack something that’s probably way stronger than us in game

Yup. Ive literally got more hatemail from mages whining that I dont even TRY to fight them than i have from anybody. You invade me with magic, enjoy your free win, i usually just jump off a ledge or put the controller down. Its not because I can't beat them, but because I've been dancing this dance since dark souls dark bead spam. Magic has always been overtuned, and its not fun to play against. The best fights are with the people who just focus on a single melee weapon, dont rely on cheesy finishers, and beat you because their good at movement and timing. Like seriously, theres no reward for winning, the entire point of pvp IS the fight. Why rush it by using buffs and bullshit?

Skill issue

What if I do bleed, dex, and strength at the same time? What then? The greatsword with bleed is my baby!

This video is a little... bit.... rambly.... I also don't see people shitting on a magic build since you dodge enough times, they will run out of magic and flasks in pvp. My dex build literally just lets me move around and harass. In addition, there is so many bosses that basically fuck over magic users. You might just surround yourself or go to places with bitter people that complain about stupid shit.

Honestly any type of build can be overpowered depending on how you min maxed it. I feel like if your doing a no summon boss it's easier being a melee focused build to read the attacks and do damage where as having bosses quickly closing the distance on you as a castor can make things take longer as you focus on running away. But with a summons it's pretty easy to just chill in the back spamming spells while the summon takes agro.

If you play life and do it not in hardcore mode, like loosing both legs on war, being homeless or being slave on work, relationships, you are loser😂

part of the reason why dragon communion uses arcane is because arcane scaling increases status buildup i.e the rot and ice breath incantations. Please do your research.. arcane scaling is what can make bleed and frost oppressive.

Everyone knows that blood builds are the true meta

Removing Arcane is a pretty bad take. It keeps regular faith builds from becoming too versatile with the dragon communion incantations, and is also used in bleed, or even non-bleed ARC builds with weapons such as Marais' Executioner's Sword or Putrescence Cleaver.

I don't get the hate on magic its fun as hell to use

Unga bunga all the way

And theres a 4 person, the cry baby hater like yourself for making this stupid reel Bravo👍👍👏👏😅

Strength builds are easy mode, not magic lol

My biggest problem with magic users entering pvp is that it’s just genuinely boring. Ultimately, every spell and incant is easy enough to dodge, but keeps you from getting close, so my fight with a caster invariably always goes one of two ways: you either wait tediously dodging until they finally drain their Fp and then win the fight easily which takes ages, or you get frustrated with how long it is taking so go for a very risky poke that gets you killed

Problem is the spam. In extreme cases you are dealing with 5 active spells at the same time that you need to dodge. each of them cause massive amounts of damage and obscure the screen sometimes. one combo would be : Ancient rancor spells cast 2x, rykards rancor 1x, rannis full moon 1x and to top it all of comet azure or stars of ruin. All of these spells can be casted where the other player has to deal with them all at the same time. Another problem is how much damage they do. I had magic damage negation at 90 k and there was little to no effect after all buffs were applied because in pvp talismans and buffs have their % downscaled. Which means they are not as effective as the stats would show. There is no other class in this game that one shots me so concistantly than mages. I even survived a guts greatsword lions claw with buffs. even the weakest spells like glintstone pebble do massive amounts of damage + have one of the fastest casting speeds and tracking in the game The only effective way to counter mage spamming is lightning spear because how fast you can quick draw it and most mages are too slow to cast spells with the exeption of all comet spells and glintstone spells it also doesnt help that mages in my 100ds of hours of coloseum battles are one of the most toxic classes. After mages bleed maxers are the second most toxic players for sure. But there are a lot of mages trying to spawnkill you and show close to no respect at all and try to act as toxic as possible. Its like they know how op they are and are just trolling at this point

yall allways say "everyone" when like 99% of people just play elden ring to have fun and enjoy magic perfectly fine and are not plugged into your unhinged reddit fuled echo chambers, most people use co-op, most people use spirit sommons, a lot of people use exploits, like 85% people really loved dark souls 2, its not "everyone" yall are annoying

Arcane is for blood build, you get more dmg if you have more arcane. Nice video btw

See,no one can hate me when I use magic because I just do it to do cool shit (like gravitational missile and then using messmers orb) But i think the reason why is because stars of ruin has been known as the mega cheese strat in PvP and it was usually accompanied by a heavy armor/high poise build as well which made getting in and staying in pretty annoying. That being said,it's not always that bad.

Then there me. Dragon & chaos incantations. Omen cleavers. Blasphemous blade and a wakizashi with assassins gambit.

3d is an optimized murder machines. They are playing to win

Sorcery and incantations are cool and fun, what the hell is wrong with you, fun hater?

The soulsborne community hate magic because it’s magic and magic is gay. even if magic was trash it would still be hated on because it is magic there is no way around this it’s the same thing with dex

I would disagree with this in PVE but for PVP totally spot on. You are such a fucking loser if you spam spells in PVP. How’s that even fun? I honestly hate spell spammers in PVP. I want to have a sword fight I don’t want to dodge roll for 10 min.

The loser is the one criticizing others players for having fun playing a game they paid for

Me laughing in 99 in every stat 🗿

After a couple playthroughs of the game, I’d say overall magic is much more balanced than people give it credit for. Really the issue between op magic builds and op physical builds is the ease at which those op builds are found. With magic you just find the “nuclear bomb lightning Armageddon” spell or the “giant shitfuck laser” cast and you’re set. OP melee builds typically sit in between taking 12 different kinds of tarnished steroids and using a giant fucking hammer or the dorkiest looking weapon imaginable that you find of some shack with no other explanation. Either way if you actually want to really challenge yourself you can do that in any build imo.