We had July 4th here in the USA, and I was also out sick on top of other folks being busy.

Well that’s the usual Bungie, not surprised to hear this

I appreciate the sidequest stuff but get it

That's fair. ​@@dezzdinn

You basically are the only one, its overwhelmingly positive on all fronts even the usually "negative towards destiny" types. I don't see what more they could have done.

Why would they make it a catered instance instead of a pointless zone where you oneshot everything and just use it as a highway to lost sectors?

That's the thing. They never said it was going to be different. People made up that idea in their heads and are now trying to make bungie accountable for something they never said. Matter of fact, i'm yet to see anyone show actual proof of bungie saying what they're claiming, and the ones that claimed to have "proof" pointed to the TWAB where they revealed episodes, which directly discredits their claim. They said they were going improve upon the seasonal system, not remove it or completely change it. The only thing they talked about changing was the narrative, as they believed that the story was starting to get predictable. All they promised was bringing more content per episode than they did per season, and so far, the first act of the episode alone already has about the same amount of content as a full season, and there's still 6-8 more weapons to come, 2 more activities and an exotic mission.

You are totally right, let me copy a paste a comment I left on another channel. Most content creater are being d-bags about this subject. ---------------------------------------------------------------- All valid points but the issue still remains with certain group of our player base, they are physically unable to complete this mission. What bothers me is the following: Bungie likes to gloat about their inclusive culture but then purposely design a mission and put a meta defining item behind it leaving out people that physically can't complete it (I'll leave you an example below), so are we inclusive or not? I passionately hate double standards. You can watch easynow's videos regarding this topic, very similar to what I'm saying. This was planned and deliberate on Bungie's part, to "force" players into this situation in an unprecedented manner. Their main goal should be to RETAIN players and this is a business decision working against that goal, a lot of players (including me) will leave for another game if this is their MO moving forward. Also the seasonal content is very mid and time-gated, another thing that will not work for them the way they expect it to. I leave you this comment from a mute girl explaining why she's a solo player. This taken from another video touching on the subject of solo players. @Senuna-Asiyn Solo player-ish Reasons why: 1) Community toxicity. Speedrunners and Clear Farmers I just won't run endgame stuff with anymore. I've yet to run a raid with a speedrunner/clear farmer that didn't completely fuck up my day. 2) Loot. This isn't a point about the loot being bad. It's phenomenal. When I can actually get some. My RNG is beyond fucked at this point. I'll spare you the details, but tl;dr: 1 gun per raid and 1 every 3-5 dungeons is deeply frustrating. Also, why does 80% of everything roll with a Reload Speed Masterwork? 3.) I'm mute. I can't speak. Most teams won't have me, and most of those that will spend the entire time being abusive, disrespectful, arseholes to me. Hundreds of raid clears, day 1s, titles, it's all meaningless. "Get a mic, bro." Thanks. A microphone is clearly going to fix my dysfunctional larynx. 4) There have been so many prior bad experiences, from clans run like destructive high control groups, to nightmare LFGs, to harassment, abuse, racism, sexism, death threats, r*pe threats, people sending me unsolicited dick pics, creepers, obnoxious sex pests, griefers, trolls, throwers, jackasses, disrespectful douchebags, flat earthers, general time vampires, etc. that it's just not worth it anymore. I'm playing this game to have fun, not to get treated like shit. 5) All my friends quit. Finding new ones just isn't worth the abuse. I'll tell you how it's done in other games: After x-number of clears by the community this item will become available to farm from x, y or z activity in the game (i.e GM's or master lost sectors). Whoever enjoys the duality activity they can farm it but also you don't alienate players with real life struggles and/or new and returning players.

The whole situation is messed up to begin with. Every solo player has a reason they play solo. People are being disrespectful and disingenuous because bungie has fostered a team oriented community since the beginning. Solo players are the bad guys in a team oriented game. There is nothing wrong with or wanting to playing solo. What is wrong is alienating people for any reason. No solo player wants to solo a raid. Very few people solo grandmasters. There a things solo players know they won’t get and accept it. But, you don’t go on a marketing campaign about a brand new way to play the game that everyone will enjoy and then lock it behind a wall from a portion of the community. Everone said it’s a 2 person raid. But why? They could have easily made it accessible by other means. You don’t even need a mic to do a GM nightfall, but you need a mic to get a class item? GM nightfalls don’t give anything that’s worth it and yet they are more accessible than the heavily marketed class item. There is no reason for this. Theres no reason for people to be toxic towards solo players. However, there is reason to accept that people like to play the game the way they like to play it and be respectful. That’s called being a decent human being.

@@RichieF_Jr The girl said it to: I play this game to have fun, not be treat it like this (by the community and by Bungie). The cult-like behavior in this community is pure cringe.

@@antiimperialista5764 Exactly. Her reasons for solo playing is by far different than mine and i still respect the hell out of her for still trying to play the game anyways despite what she has gone through. It shouldn’t be about us versus them cause we all love the same game. Whatever Bungie’s reason for this was, it’s a huge miss because they know full well that there is a portion of their community with certain disabilities. They have gone on record saying that they will continuously try to help them but then cut them off from the heavily marketed class item that is exclusive to the new subclass they are so proud of and said we should be excited for. If they don’t address this in the future, then it’s just another slap in the face by which we should all be used to by now. The issue is that they have been taking W’s lately so it’s saddening.

How are we being disingenuous? We basically said we totally understand why it would frustrate solo players, but Dual Destiny (assuming this is what we're discussing) is a cool setup for two players. The idea that everything -- every last absolute thing -- has to work for solo players has never been part of Destiny's DNA. But again -- totally get why solo players would want everything to be solo-able. But you can't have both unless they design two ways around it in the mission. I'd love that, but that wasn't the discussion here. And to your point you got it done a ton of times. I wish you could do it solo via unique mechanics, but having to find a partner for it for the co-op focus missions is "ok" for TV and I. I'm sure many feel that way, but that doesn't exclude who you feel.

Hey this steak I’m eating sucks on the first few bites; but maybe on the 8th bite it’ll stop tasting like rotten meat.

Not sure yet. I don’t know if next week’s bite will be a steak or pork chop. I think it’s still early, I personally like that the acts are shorter and it seems to be building up, so there is certainly an opportunity for things to improve and this current state for the first two weeks will be forgotten. It’s short, so let’s see how Act 2 and 3 open up.

@@kenzenrengage2315 I fundamentally disagree With this mentality of “well, it’s not great now but maybe it’ll get better later”. That is quite literally how we got to a Lightfall year where player numbers were so bad and the game wasn’t making money that a bunch of people got laid off. I’d rather not see that happen again, and I know Bungie can do better than the same old seasonal model masquerading as something else. Even if in week 8 it gets better of a sudden, that doesn’t excuse the first couple weeks that feel more like low effort content for the sake of content.

@@stirfrysensei great, agree to disagree. I think it’s too early to tell what is actually going on with acts. I don’t think anyone is able to say with certain considering we’re rolling through and act 1 is closing fast. If Act 2 narrative and activity changes, then this is big improvement over the old seasonal format, and considering we’re a couple of weeks in and I have almost completed all failsafe unlocks, I’d say we are going to get a different activity and story beat for act 2. Appreciate the response.

@@stirfrysenseiit can be that act 1 is the prologue then act 2 is the main “act” then act 3 will be the epilogue. If you’re bored you can step away

I understand some people are fans of the game and only want to listen to others that simply praise it and have a good time, but I've been a critic/reviewer/reporter etc. my whole career. So that won't change. That said, critiquing something and challenging points for spirited discussion is a good thing. Don't take critical commentary as just fan negativity. Having said that... I'm the guy that is constantly coming back for every expansion and season, constantly talking about how Destiny is a great game at its core, how I always have a pretty good time. I mean, even look at this episode: people are quick to judge the Episodic content and I'm the one trying to level the discussion that we have several months to go, that the intro mission for Echoes was a solid upgrade, that the activity is pretty fun, etc., etc.

What are you talking about? Fran has been annoyingly positive, full schill mode, since the expansion dropped. If he's being critical about anything, it's likely cause it needs to be called out.

It’s horrible only way to complete my first one is 100 ability or super kills in pvp or 100 motes in gambit, but it’s counting blockers not motes

Pale heart pathfinder is fine, it's the core activity rotator that has a problem, and it's mostly just a matter of tuning numbers of the objectives. If they reduce the pvp and gambit requirements by 50-70%, it will feel a lot better. They should also make better pathing so there's always 1 path for just one of the activities, for people that just want to pve, pvp or do gambit (for the 9 gambit players left lol).

It’s the best subclass rn??? Almost every exotic can work with it without the exotic class items. Idk how it could ever be seen as trash

Not true at all. I have a few builds without the class item. Felwinters helm and mataipdoxia make good prismatic builds for warlock.

Hoil is great on it too....

This is such a bad take lmao

Just say you’re bad at the game. 😂

Text or voice? You might be defaulting to the wrong chat

I think we’ll have to wait until the acts to see how much content comes with them

@@qwertyisaboss Timegating content isn't 'new'. Nothing is new.

Ill for the fine print that you can provide that proves these “lies” 😂

The changes are more egregious, watch latest video from Chablo91 regarding this topic and XP gains.

Soo true