10EE Part 17

On this video we'll be cleaning up the cross slide casting and asking viewers a question.

[@robertpearson8798]

Enjoying the process of cleaning this machine up and making it look pretty is the only justification required.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

I agree.. It has been a very rewarding project on many levels!

[@bobweiram6321]

I agree with you. I hate watching half-ass restorations. It's very rewarding to bring a machine back to it's factory condition or better. Excellent job. Btw, can you put lathe restorations in a playlist. It will make it easier to see them in order.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Hi Bob! thanks for watching and yes, I'll figure out how to create a playlist

[@bid6413]

Kevin, I absolutely love the rebuilding process and admit I maybe will spend more time and effort doing cosmetic improvements than necessary. There are always imperfections but I do enjoy having my projects not just be mechanically correct but also look beautiful. That said, I did have a friend surface grind the top of my cross slide and the flat surfaces on my saddle. Before grinding they looked like some had hit them repeatedly with a ball peen hammer. After my friend ground just a little off they look great, not new just great. I don’t think you’ll be able to completely remove the damage done by the crash though it might look better. I think ultimately you should do whatever makes you happy. I trust your judgement to not over grind. One of the other comments spoke to scraping and I agree it is critical in some areas. I don’t think the top of the cross slide, or the flats on the saddle are those areas. On my 10ee rebuild all the critical sliding surfaces were scraped in. Especially the saddle needed to be scraped because I’d had the bed reground. Fortunately I have a friend who has done a lot, I mean a lot, of precision scraping so it was a great learning opportunity for me. The saddle, the tailstock and the headstock all “print” beautifully. After remounting the headstock on the freshly ground bed the runout is less than Monarch factory specs. So, as long winded as this comment is, I think function is the most important priority and looks are a personal choice. I’m sure enjoying your videos and appreciate you taking the time to record and share your process with your Monarch. Cheers, Will

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks Will! I glad you are enjoying the videos. I'm with you that for me...the look and feel is almost as important as performance...its a genetic thing I guess!

[@bid6413]

@@fourpondsshop7940 Maybe a curse, but I like it. Cheers

[@bobweiram6321]

I look at it more simply. We all like compliments and beauty. I don't want to stare at an ugly machine and the compliment of an excellent job is worth it.

[@Ideasite]

I would stone it to remove any protrusions, then I'd use Flitz polish (on Amazon). To maintain whatever dimensional accuracy, I will count the number of strokes I use and divide the area into sections, planning it so that I don't overlap or rub any area unevenly. This can get the part all the way to a mirror finish, if you're obsessive/compulsive. I think that putting a great finish on visible ways and surfaces is usually underestimated in importance. It affects the attitude you bring to every job you will do on the lathe. When you set to work on a machine that's beautiful, you work will reflect that beauty. Tough guys and studs will call this nonsense, but I think it's essential. Grinding is always an option, but it can become a nightmare if you end up chasing squareness. Then, if you throw in additional hurdles, like having to do surfaces in 2 setups, that becomes a whole different animal. If you stone it and check it for flatness on a surface plate, you can get to a great finish without removing unnecessary material by going right to the polish. Love watching this series. I've restored a lathe & a mill & I learned a great deal in the process.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks for your input...I couldn't agree with you more that the attitude you have about the machines you use plays a significant role in how you tackle projects.

[@joeblan9426]

No on the Grind, File High spots Plastic Fill or Metal Filler ,Paint or Polish

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks and glad to hear from a person that ran one of these machines in "real life"!

[@Anotherhomeshopguy]

There's no better way to learn about a machine than taking it apart and figuring everything out...that how I learn about how a bicycle was made in 2nd grade. By 3rd grade my little sister had a semi assembled questionably safe bike 😁🤣

[@fourpondsshop7940]

your history sounds just like mine! LOL. My dad would take my brothers and me to the dump on Saturdays and we would rummage through all the bikes, lawn mowers and whatever stuff people would throw away. He would let us drag home just about anything that would fit in the station wagon! by the time I was in elementary school, I had a PhD in small engine mechanics!

[@kjellno62]

Thenk you for a great video Don't grind it. Stone it.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks for watching!! stay tuned!

[@robertpearson8798]

Let he who is without sin....😆

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed...IMO, I trust your thoughts and decisions

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks Chuck! And thanks for the shout out, just watched your video last night. Very helpful walk thru on the controls. So this week I'll be posting the video on the cross slide reassembly... I'm sure you'll be sitting on the edge of your seat to see how I finished the cross slide base!

[@davidfe47]

Interesting dilemma. From old eyes, search "lance baltzley stones". Precision Stones & their use before and after you measure on you surface plate should lead to the next step(s) if desired or needed. Old Iron Machine Shoph has great & simple self made iPhone holder. His pre-paint repairs & surface finishing is inspiring too. Hope you Publish your postponed model radia enginel. Great videos so far.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thank you!! I'll have to check out the phone holder. I actually have a set of ground stones....they work great

[@kimber1958]

Doing great work . No real knowledge on why I would advise not to surface grind the cross slide top but then again if you have the capabilities to do it it would look nice in the end. I know that was helpful. Lol have a great day thank you for the video

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks!!

[@TraditionalToolworks]

What about filling the dings where it crashed on the chuck? Then take it to the surface grinder and smooth both sides. You could probably tig weld those voids fairly easily. Make sure to clean all oil out of the cross slide if you do.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks!! I thought about that...maybe??

[@loraelgin7345]

NO! on the surface grinder.. You check for flatness on the surface plate. All surfaces form the top of the saddle, cross slide ways and compound ways should scraped flat even the gibbs bottom of the tool post. That way you will have a good surface to carry oil. Shouldn't take that long on a quality machine like that. Thanks, Daryl

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks...stay tuned!

[@johnwenzel9252]

I’d grind it but only with a larger surface grinder.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

I think you mat be right!

[@v8packard]

If grinding gets the look you are after, do it. I probably wouldn't, but whatever you like. Fyi, my 6x12 Boyer Schultz will do nearly 15 inches. Might want to verify your actual travel

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks! so i just checked my harig and it has almost exactly 6"x12" travel...that's a bummer!

[@markmuranyi9289]

If it were mine and only could traverse the surface grinder 12 inches and not the whole lenght I would deburr the spot where the chuck had hit the slide and scotch brite or other abrasive of your choice.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks!! lots of great suggestions

[@kevinhaley8625]

You plan, g_d laughs.....just how life is most of the time.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

That's for sure!!

[@assembler01]

Surface grinder, no!

[@fourpondsshop7940]

LOL!! I knew someone would want to reach thru the computer and stop me!!

[@oldmetalmachines2094]

I wouldn't do it just because of beautification. If it were mine. But it isn't mine. Love your videos

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks!..still trying to decide...the answer will be here shortly

[@markanderson5777]

I wouldn't grind it especially since your grinder is too small to sweep the whole surface. When I rebuilt mine, I drilled coolant drain holes in those pockets where the TA bearings sit so coolant can't make a standing puddle and grow nasty things and rust.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks Mark!.. you are spot on regarding the drain holes! my TA casting had nasty build up in those areas because the oil has nowhere to go!

[@loraelgin7345]

Kevin, Please check out: KZbin, Power Scraping a Camel Back Straight Edge using a Biax Power Scraper, / Scraping a Lathe Compound Slide: Monarch Lathe Restoration - Part 30 The problem with trying to surface grind a surface and moving the piece to finish that last inch is you will create a hole or belly in the flat surface. Been there done that! I took a scraping class from a extremely knowledgeable person (RK) on equipment rebuilding. The video's will explain the need for scraping. Stone the gouges flat and live with the former sins. Regards, Daryl

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Hi and Thanks for the tips! Next video will show what path I chose for the cross slide!

[@jonrbryan]

I would be reluctant to do a full grind. What about jeweling?

[@fourpondsshop7940]

I've seen that done.. not sure if that's the look I'm going for but truly appreciate your input!

[@BillyHardcase]

I don´t have a surface grinder. If i did would I be able to hold back ? I don´t know. If they are just battle scars from use then why? Can a stone do the trick? it´s less invasive. The WD 40 rust remover looks effective. Never used it. Generally not a fan of WD 40. I use a mix of acetone and hydraulic oil. It works but it is not too effective. And Evaporust for rust removal. If you Orange peel just ad a splash of thinner to the paint. Especially if you spray-paint it should run thin as pis.

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks Lars....So having the surface grinder available is exactly why I have this dilemma! I don't get to use it that often so I'm always looking for an excuse to fire it up!

[@BleuJurassic]

clean up the dings fill and paint it

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[@JSokil]

I would just hit it with a DA sander, probably not worth two passes on a surface grinder

[@fourpondsshop7940]

Thanks, that's certainly an option