1985 22RE First Start After Replacement Engine [Lots of Problems!]

The father and son time was most important! But the following testing methods are covered in this video:
No Start, Severe misfire, Injector Problems, Cold Start injector Problems, Compression issues.
We also did a spark test, RPM drop test and a quick head gasket test.
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[@secretsquirrel9722]

These videos are such a double edge sword. Brilliant memories for both you and your son and it makes me happy to see. But, also never having any form of male in my life growing up. It's only as I entered independent adulthood where you become aware of what you've never had. Witnessing friends with their dads and uncles. Seeing people you know with their kids as they grow. To videos like this with someone you don't know personally, but have great respect for. Just the act of making and spending that time on/with their kids = equal parts happy and grieving. No one's perfect but your a good man Paul!

[@farmermiyagi1338]

Way back when I was a green tech, we had a dude come in the shop with the rotary engine out of an RX7, in pieces in a box, and wanted to know if we could get it back together for him. "Uhhhhhh................... no." o.0 This is great stuff. I am a proud father today. My youngest son graduated from automotive school this morning, and he is going to work for Subaru on Monday. Eventually he will return to the nest and take over my shop.

[@holeshot1721]

Guy came into a shop i worked at with his rx7 motor in pieces its sat for a week then one morning i jumped on it knowing nothing about rx7s at 8 am car was running by lunch noon. Running down the road by end of day road worthy by end of week super easy to work on shame on you

[@seanshute9284]

​@@holeshot1721 Weird flex on a guy telling a story about when he was super young and inexperienced

[@farmermiyagi1338]

@@holeshot1721 This was a busy truck and RV shop, we had no desire to get involved in a project car. So you reassembled, and installed, and got it running in 4 hours? You're my hero.

[@SchrodingersBox]

This so reminded me how I got started -right down to having problems with my tools so I couldn’t trust gauge readings etc… I used to spend far more time diagnosing and fixing my equipment than the car hahahaha

[@fredflintstone8048]

Have a look at the Start Injector Time Switch. Unplug the Start injector Time switch which is next to the Water Thermo Sensor. It will have two connections. Read between the them (STA STJ). Internally the switch is connected to ground to provide the ground source to the Start injector as well as a ground for the heating coils in the switch Below 86degf : 20 - 40 ohms Above 104degf : 40 - 60 ohms STA goes to the ignition switch and one side of the Start injector, STJ goes to the Start injector the other side of the Start injector. STA goes to a bimetal switch in the Start Injector Time Switch sensing the coolant temp. As the engine warms up it should deflect away from it's connection to ground.

[@ScannerDanner]

I'll be doing a quick video on this with my son when we troubleshoot it. This is good information and long forgotten. I used to teach on these in early 2000 when we still had many of these systems on the road (cold start injectors). GM used one on their early 2.8 or 3.1? Same system. Some of the Bosch systems had them too. The CIS system had it. Hated those things! Thanks for posting this!

[@terrycollins0314]

Never knew my biological father & my step-dad was a truck driver. But when he was home. We had father/son bonding time in the garage. Brings back memories.

[@seanshute9284]

Wow, that's crazy. I grew up the same way. Working on stuff was the only thing we had in common, and it was definitely the only reason we ever started getting along

[@happygarage6310]

There are many emotions when unpacking a box of potential issues and creating some during the process. What a great project. I'm really enjoying these videos of troubleshooting problems using foundational knowledge and tools.

[@tracydiller9378]

I agree Paul the most important is Father and Son time spent together and throw in a sweet project that the two of you can do together is time well spent. God Bless.

[@johnbob4711]

Hi, best regards from Germany again! I can only agree, time with your family/son/father is the most important. Like working on broken tech. If you can find the problem and make it running, it's best reward! My son bought himself an Volvo v70 d5 as first car, with 420 000km 😅 now we are slowly fixing it's problems together. Best wishes to you!

[@tracydiller9378]

@@johnbob4711 Best wishes to you also.👍

[@harveywalker1560]

When i 10 my dad and I rebuilt a 52 chevy 6, and that started my dyi auto repair life. This is the kind of old school repair I do without a scanner or scopes.

[@AutoDiagnosticsPK]

Paul! you are simply Love ❤❤❤ It is always beautiful moment when we see a family, father & son working together stay blessed, happy and safe Paul

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you my friend

[@careyautorepairs]

Paul is the king at this game. Never seen a cold start injector before here in the UK.

[@ScannerDanner]

Thanks man

[@jinxxpwnage]

Paul I've been watching scanner danner premium and saw a fan motor bypass video where Beau was just a toddler helping you out. Now i see him here all grown up that's crazy congrats

[@ScannerDanner]

Time flys my friend. Thank you for your long time support!

[@jinxxpwnage]

@@ScannerDanner Sure does! Paul just a quick question , do you offer assistance services? for newer technicians that would be willing to pay for it similar to identifix hotline. where you could suggest potential diagnostic steps based on a given diagram.

[@ScannerDanner]

​@@jinxxpwnageonly through my forum on my website which is free to join www.scannerdanner.com

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

22RE...brings back memories

[@kevinh2076]

Only engine I ever built from scratch, I was yelling the firing order for you 😂

[@throttlebottle5906]

lol, 1342 they had 2/3 swapped. if the dist. spun the opposite direction it would have been right. they got the rotation backwards, easy to do. lol I could hear and see it was wrong right away, which makes sense after 30+ years of working on junk with every bad issue and things messed up by everyone.

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

These are great engines once all the little bugs of age are sorted out. Toyota has always made great drivetrains with very few exceptions. Great family time too.

[@kalindambozi2356]

These are the engines i used to work on back in 2006 after i completed my Automotive Mechanics training. I haven't seen any in 14 years. Great video.

[@briansilva9120]

Hi Paul, thank you for all your hard work 👍🏼 your son and you puts out some outstanding work!

[@wadepatton2433]

just like all the stuff I grew up working on. good learnin'.

[@ekimbrough1413]

What a beautiful video! I'm thoroughly impressed! DAMNB... you got it purring like a cat buzzed on cat nip overdose: with a mere pry bar and test light! I wanna be like you...when I grow up, Car Whisperer! Now THAT'S, pure, plain.... GENIUS!

[@isalmankhan1]

Yes, what a way to start my week😍😍😍 Thanks for sharing SD👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I Love the old-school case studies you put together👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Plz do film every step when you do the engine👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Stay Blessed Danner Family🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@calholli]

I've never even heard of a "cold start injector" lol.. The learning never stops

[@isalmankhan1]

Back in the day, I've worked on a ton of these engines, actually my DaD trained me on these engines, but unfortunately the one's that Toyota exported to KSA are all with carburetors, I've never seen one with EFI, so really nostalgic for me😍😍😍

[@artvance8251]

Getting bit kinda brightens up your day, don’t it. Thanks as always for your videos

[@nancylewis7142]

Thank you for this video. All this information.

[@richard1835]

Thank you Paul. Hard work and a Great video

[@Pablo_Automotive]

Nice video, thanks for share Paul.

[@bryannunez4181]

12:45 i have been in that trouble before with an old SEARS compression tester that I wanted to rebuild because i was on a budget. What I found it´s that all you have to do its take a normal schrader valve from a tire and just remove the spring from inside twisting it couterclockwise until one tip of the spring comes out and take the rest with some needle pliers, that way you dont have any resistance and you will get it working brand new! i have compared the results with another known good and both readings were basically the same.

[@lupedelacruz4152]

Very nice way to bond amigo good job thanks for sharing

[@commonsense411]

Pretty cool I’m actually in the process of putting my 22re back together after a failed head gasket. Decided to take a break and this is what pops up. Cheers from Modesto.

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

Put a tape over your phone camera...Google is watching.

[@throttlebottle5906]

make sure the head and block surface are both flat. since overheating loved to warp the heads and if previous owner kept driving and using block/leak sealers or let it leak, it can erode the block away at the leak area leaving a low spot. that's how the typical toyota owner treated them back then.

[@Rawr454]

can't wait to see his first drive

[@ScannerDanner]

never thought to film that . he's never driven a stick before, should be fun 😊

[@ibriheemabohlel4518]

My friend and teacher, I hope you are always well. My greetings to you, your son, your brother, all your families, and your beautiful little girl. I hope the translation is correct because I do not speak the English language well, so I translated it as a translation. I have learned so much from you

[@ScannerDanner]

That translated very well my friend. Thank you so much! I have so much respect for those of you learning and this isn't even your language!

[@nm-qt2hb]

It's running now. Keep it that way. Drop the oil and filter. Use a break in oil or a break in additive. That engine needs ZDDP. We're the stock injectors low ohms or high ohms? Most peak and hold were under 5 ohms. I recall the 944 turbo Porsche had the highest ohms peak and hold. When replacement injectors were high ohms, over 12. Resistors were used. They worked but not perfect. Not sure why Toyota runs a resistor box?. Love seeing father son projects. I did many with my boy.and girls. Always great memories and they will remember for the rest of their long life. Hopefully one day they can do the same with his kids. Good luck with the build.

[@OKBAOK]

Father and Son bonding and look alike 👍🙂

[@h2opower]

Nice work on finding the wire to the resistor wasn't hooked up. I had an old 83' Scirocco that had a cold start injector but the system was vacuum controlled which I think is totally different from that setup so I'm basically learning this type of car as I never delt with one before as you two work on it. I miss my old Scirocco but the electrical system was going out, VW wouldn't give me any support in getting new parts, and even things like buying the battery had become a problem as most places no longer sold the battery that went into the car. I finally got rid of it went the engine harness caught fire and I had to perform all types of work-a-rounds just to get it moving again. I even had to re-soldier the board in the computer box as due to the shorting engine harness things melted on the board. I miss the car but will not get a new one as the company simply doesn't support their customers and even went as far as to tell me to buy a newer type Scirocco and I thought to myself if your not willing to support me went I already spent a lot of money with you why should I trust that you will support me with another car when it gets old? So, that was the last VW I will ever own in this lifetime. It's sad though as I purchased four VW's and that was how I was treated when the car I loved got old. Anyway these old cars are simply built better than today's cars as the computerization is messing things all up as most of the time a sensor has gone out and you have to check multiple different computers to tract the problem down compared to the old days when it was a bit simpler as you just unplugged something to be able to see if it was working or not.

[@dannysheppard2882]

Hey danner check your cold start time switch on the front of the timing cover . Well it’s on the front of the intake . beside the coolant temp sensor. Usually if your cold start isn’t working or spraying all the time it’s usually the problem from my experience.

[@johnaclark1]

There is a diagnostic connector, I think on the driver's side that you short the two pins on and count the check engine light flashes. I think it's a round plug over by the ignition coil, if I recall correctly. It just hangs out over there not connected to anything.

[@billyr9840]

Nice !

[@dfields9511]

Great memories , made in garage. Reminded me of my 1977 Celica with 20R engine . Similar design. It with out EFI it had carb and points ignition

[@throttlebottle5906]

the carbureted models are what gave them the great following, soon as they added the fuel injection(problem child), everyone started to hate them. too many issues.

[@James-fs4rn]

👍 awesome dad!

[@akshonclip]

You may have the electrical connectors for the vacuum switching valve and the cold start injector mixed up. If I remember correctly the plug plastic should match the connector color.

[@ScannerDanner]

I haven't dug into it fully yet but I did confirm no power with the key on and good power cranking, which is what the supply circuit should be doing, but I have power running. Maybe it is switched, but I'm pretty sure I confirmed wire colors too. Could be wrong. Thanks!

[@tincankiller6454]

Ahh this brings back fond memories, and a big reason I am going bald, enjoyed the video guys

[@CherylHenderson0416]

I'll give you $4000 right now for that car, delivered to Illinois. That engine is a beast. I've owned 6 Celicas. The best one is the 84-85 hatchback

[@CrankAddict]

I was really hoping for a Supra when I saw the thumbnail for the video, but should have known that the 22RE is the four banger.

[@ScannerDanner]

Yeah, my son Caleb grabbed the image off the net for the thumbnail, not knowing it was a celica supra

[@kevinshasteen5682]

Oooh man. I cut my teeth on the old Datsuns/Nissans, and Toyota Celica and Pickups; even had a corolla or two - back in the day. Now fix that exhaust leak and help Beau with his A/C, its summer - Beau needs A/C ;) Good video, havent heard anyone use the Cold Start Injector lingo in quite some time. Brings back a lot of memmories. Those 22r and 22re's are tough engines as long as you keep it in its RPM range - tell Beau not to hotrod by redlining it or he will throw a rod. Good Vid! Edit: Good job "Dad" in helping Beau get his car running!

[@ScannerDanner]

Thanks for being part of this with me. Appreciate your comments

[@throttlebottle5906]

my ears didn't lie when they heard a more or less 2 cylinder 22R(E) running at start of video. 🤣

[@michaelgleason4791]

Step 1: Plug everything in? Beau: Did you complete step 1? Dad: Yeah I swear. Beau 😑😑😑😑😑😑

[@nickayivor8432]

Tutorial outstanding video amazing film footage .enjoy your evening Thank you My mentor SHREWD Sir ScannerDanner From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 08:06AM Good Morning

[@ScannerDanner]

Unfortunately I filmed this in portrait. I had originally planned to do a bunch of shorts. But thank you!

[@Phantomas2011]

It’s donut time Danners!!! Great video with Biggggggg Daddddddy! 👊

[@richard1835]

A customer brought me 4 coils he purchased on ebay for $52 for a Scion and got a call back from him the 2nd. day after installation and 2 failed at once. Glad he saved three of the factory coils. That ebay stuff is crap. The prices testify to that. I understand Bo wanting to save money but those injectors cannot be trusted. This video is a good case study. Thank you Paul.

[@ScannerDanner]

Can't find them anywhere reputable

[@Darkjedi99]

@@ScannerDanner fiveomotorsport Has some as does precisionautoinjectors I bought a reman set from yoda1 but they’re currently out of stock.

[@richard1835]

@@ScannerDanner Really. Hope Bo gets her going.

[@Darkjedi99]

@@ScannerDanner precision auto injectors has some, I bought a reman set from yoda1 but they’re currently out of stock.

[@Darkjedi99]

@@ScannerDanner not sure why my comments keep getting deleted but five o motorsport Has some as does precision auto injectors I bought a reman set from yota1 but they’re currently out of stock.

[@PirateEric1911]

LC Engineering if you need any 22r parts. Sure miss my Celica's

[@kimokahikolekalihi]

They sell beck arnley injectors on rockauto for $45 a piece. But your best bet is to send the original injectors in to be flow tested, cleaned, new seals and pintle caps and retested at witch Hunter performance. They do an amazing job rebuilding injectors with spec sheets. And it's only $23 each I think. They did all 4 on my 22re and the cold start injector as well. Some were as high as 9% off on cc/min and now they're all within 1% of spec. And 22reperformance has all the OEM parts you'll need including that pcv valve and grommet. They're awesome. I've ordered a lot of parts from them over the years. Highly recommend. Be sure to run through the sensors on these old engines to make sure they're working right. Calibrate your tps, your idle speed screw, timing with the advance disabled and I found through testing my MAF (different MAF because I have a pickup) was not within spec according to the FSM. Truck ran well but once I replaced that MAF with a $100 Amazon Chinese one that was much closer to the FSM specs, it gained a noticeable amount of torque and throttle response. I was able to drive in a higher gear than before at lower speeds without bogging the engine. Great engine.

[@ScannerDanner]

Unfortunately in our boxes of parts we had 2 pairs of injectors (two different style connectors). Only two were from this model year. Our hand were forced.

[@ScannerDanner]

Thank you for this information too!

[@kimokahikolekalihi]

@@ScannerDanner no problem! Thank you for your wealth of information. I watch a lot of your videos and learn stuff all the time from them.

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

When i was 15 i had two VW type 3's the 1970 blew up the 72 was a turbo parts car so i tried making a good motor out of 2 bad ones ! all in all only to find out thats not possible ! Well it almost ran ! LOL !

[@martyisabeliever]

Witch Hunter Performance will rebuild and flow match all the injectors for you. Paul LC Engineering has the cold start Injector time switch...

[@fascistpedant758]

You need a special Schrader valve with a weaker spring on the compression tester.

[@kennethstrait6391]

just wonderen ???whats up with the truck motor???have not seen any vids. here or on the ones doin the job???

[@throttlebottle5906]

did Danner trip back to day one recording on a phone in vertical orientation? what a newbie! LOL 🤪

[@ScannerDanner]

I was planning on a series of shorts and then things got interesting 😅

[@throttlebottle5906]

@@ScannerDanner I figured, but it was wide open for a razzing. 🤡

[@spinb]

Portrait mode? Is this from 2012?

[@ScannerDanner]

Yeah, I'm sorry. My original plan was to do a series of shorts with this. I didn't expect it to go this way

[@AAA-br3cs]

Respected sir I need thumb rule for amount of oil in any AC system R133

[@ScannerDanner]

That is based on the component being changed. There are charts for that for every car. For example: condenser replacement you'd typically add 2 oz

[@garygardner9677]

Why does everyone have trouble stabbing a distributor? Bring the engine to 10 degrees before tdc. With distributor near the number 1 plug wire(with correct firing order) With the key On, turn the distributor in the direction of rotation. When you come up on the leading edge of the reluctor the coil with spark. Snug down the distributor, the engine will start and the timing will be very close to where you want it.

[@ScannerDanner]

your step 1 is where most people get tripped up

[@orlanmedina3693]

That engine will last till tbe end of times...

[@obsoleteprofessor2034]

PCV on backorder Temu

[@johnaclark1]

Available for a couple of bucks on RockAuto.

[@dresdensvo]

How many videos do you see that after "Listening for the compression stroke" get it wrong , as in 180* out . Take the oil cap off and look at he no.1 intake rocker closing , This is the start of the compression stroke every time . Was that a big Pffft or a little exhaust pffft ?

[@ScannerDanner]

Listening is not what I was doing. My thumb was covering the hose and only compression will make it pop off. The exhaust stroke would do nothing. This is a fool proof method. You can't always see the #1 cylinder rocker arms. In fact most cases you can't.

[@deerhunter8533]

LS swap it!!

[@Embermist69]

Relax son, your paw had/has a few tricks up his sleeve. 🙃

[@bereel5621]

Put a carburetor on that 22RE!!! ^.^

[@johnaclark1]

That would make it a 22R, but why? The 22RE was bulletproof and much easier to work on.

[@ScannerDanner]

100% waaaay better system than a carb. Complex for some, but same fundamentals across the board

[@tnamen1307]

Hello, after longtime....😊 Here, 12V Vs 7V... I have one Super CONFUSING VOLTAGES READINGS on door opened or closed status. For example, in i20 2011 India version without LCD display on instrument cluster, the voltage at any door switch is SOLID 12V when door is closed, and immediately drops to SOLID 0V when it is opened. Now, in today's modern car like Toyota Glanza and Toyata Taisor which has LCD display, and for the same situation, when door is closed from opened, the voltage remains at solid 12V, and after about 20 secs, the voltage drops to SOLID 7V. As soon as door is opened, it changes to 0V. Now, when the door is closed again from opened, the voltage immediately rises to SOLID 12V, and stays for about 20 seconds, and then only drops to 7V. Now, why is this voltage drops delaying from 12 to 7?? What's the purpose or significance of this delay in voltage drops? Why not immediately changed to 12V from 0? Why 12V, and then later slowly to 7V???

[@ScannerDanner]

It's definitely an additional self test capability. Tell me more about the switch circuit. Is it part of a module?

[@tnamen1307]

@@ScannerDanner yes it is a signal wire coming out of the BCM. It senses the door open or closed status. It is a ground side switch. With door closed, it's 12V, door open 0V. But when door is closed again, it's 12V and then after some 20 seconds, it drops to 7V. What's the significance of using this capacitor? Also, after dropping to 7V, when the lock or unlock button on remote is pressed, the voltage rises to 12V and then after some time, it again drops to 7V....

[@tnamen1307]

@@ScannerDanner you can find it on Toyota Taisor or Toyota Glanza.

[@ScannerDanner]

​@tnamen1307 i understand that part. I'm asking for more information on the switch itself. There are modules in the doors these days too

[@tnamen1307]

@@ScannerDanner no such module i found on the doors. All the 5 door signal wires goes to the BCM on the left side of the co passenger under the dashboard. The switch location is normal as seen in old vehicles like i20. Its a normal push button only.

[@marty0715yt]

WE BOUGHT INJECTORS OFF OF EBAY? Warranty -the power of ebay

[@jimmyfiggs6293]

You might want to take a couple courses in a Auto Mechanic School

[@ScannerDanner]

Yeah, I probably should

[@mph5896]

Attention to detail. 😆

[@robertsmith2956]

How can you bond without a scope and pressure inducer. I think you want the kid to suffer....... Love the old school pre odb. Firing order got me on a 81 fairmont. But I had the misfortune of believing the manual.

[@eddiereichel9354]

Did you call him a goat head?

[@SilentServiceCode]

I'd watch this but it's all vertical

[@ScannerDanner]

Sorry, I was planning on just making a series of shorts then things got interesting. Watch from your phone 🙂

[@teresitarumboz6239]

Chinese made whaaat?😂😂😂

[@mph5896]

You guys blamed all the issues on everybody else. 🤣 Ebay injectors, kid that built the engine. 🤣

[@ScannerDanner]

These were legit concerns. The ebay injector plug ends were the problem and the engine was put together by a tech school kid (should have clarified how nervous I was about that)

[@davidsawyer1599]

​@ScannerDanner Hey Paul,good stuff as usual. BTW, Eric O just did a video about injectors. If the OEM is charging $150.00 per injector and the chinesium knock is a set of 4 for $30 bucks. That should be an immediate red flag.

[@orlanmedina3693]

Dont complaing about ebay stuff thanks to those asians our old school cars can stay running

[@BlackJesus8463]

Nice!

[@abdul-kabiralegbe5660]

Noice!

[@ScannerDanner]

indeed!