2017 Honda Civic Si Review - First Drive

[@AE86ofMtAkina]

jus gonna talk shit so no one buys these and I get one half price dont mind me

[@Oplix]

What's bad to say about a car that has no competition in it's price segment. This car is a base price of $23,900 and comes with power/quality/features/value retention that has no rival.

[@chengsgroup2518]

cost 50k Us dollar out of the USA and cost $150k Us dollar in.singapore

[@EddV91]

Looks like a fun daily driver. Those MPG numbers are amazing.

[@Yammie_Moto671]

That's exactly why I'm getting one.

[@moneyseeker8886]

@@Yammie_Moto671 did you ?

[@Yammie_Moto671]

@@moneyseeker8886 I did! But sold it last October.

[@owengordon4521]

@@Yammie_Moto671How was it? It terms of reliability and Gas mileage? I own a 2008 Mazda 3 reliability is great but the gas mileage is okay

[@SilverScarletSpider]

This is Honda's ultimate replacement for displacement. Using a smaller much more fuel efficient engine and turbos instead of vtec. Can't say I won't miss the vtec rush, but the car overall becomes more refined and usable for everyday.

[@toddmediumwellingtoniii478]

I like it don't see why people have to complain about the hp.

[@fatasian22]

well there was a 2 year hiatus and while there is a a new engine and has more torque and better gas, it has the same HP and they took out V-Tec (the SI was literally known for its VTEC). I would rather have a detuned Type R 2.0l engine in it that a supped up 1.5t.

[@gabepettinicchio7454]

It seems as though he wasn't overly impressed by it. Odd that the turbo motor doesn't awaken until 3500rpm. The V-tec engines were also late bloomers.

[@AutoEsoterica]

No, it really is a great car and SO fuel efficient! That being said, I still think I'd rather have a GTI, if just barely.

[@outpatient83]

Craig Cole I love your reviews and this one is no exception. I just had to say though that I think it is great that this car is fuel efficient although in my humble opinion that is not what I am looking at when looking at an Si or any other car in this class. It is a sporty car. If you want mileage by the EX-T or another comparable car. Also, the fact that you would prefer a GTI is telling considering they have been out since 2012 and this Si is technically not even available to find in dealers yet (at least I can not)

[@gabepettinicchio7454]

I think too good, too refined ... can be ... ''too'' boring!

[@Thiterest1]

It just takes a while to build 20 psi of boost, turbo activates at the same point in the type r too.

[@nicklarson657]

like it and love the new SI. Nice review for me as a Honda fanatic. Excited for the type R though!

[@waseemsells5378]

Why is the volume knob such a big deal. You have a volume control where you're left hand holds the steering wheel.

[@oldtwins]

exactly. in my accord I can count the number of times I've used the knob. the steering wheel controls are very effective and quick in Hondas. So much safer to keep your hands on the wheels. I guess it's the same people whining about it are the ones who demand to have more cup holders and food trays installed on their dash so they can eat a five course meal while driving on the road.

[@waseemsells5378]

oldtwins I agree. My wife has a 16 CR-V and the steering wheel control is the most convenient. I also think it's safer to use the steering wheel controls over the stereo.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Go to your safe space.

[@osamabindrinkin40s]

The touch screen isn't even that bad when test drove it!

[@HiMyNameIsJonathan]

Waseem Sells I disagree, I often find that I want to turn the radio down as I’m making a turn into a parking lot. It’s hard as the steering wheel is spinning. It’s a small complaint but valid for the ones who actually own the car,

[@Ballistik3]

Hmm.. I guess you can't say it's click bait when it's in the intro of the video Lol. Nice review.

[@gtmgu]

CrashMaster23 er... intro bait, maybe?

[@QuickQuips]

I think the original term, at least for TV, is teaser.

[@gtmgu]

QuickQuips so teaser bait it is

[@WaARMLY]

intobait

[@housepianist]

I really wanted to hold out on the Si but I ended up getting a '17 Focus ST. Its starting price is about the same as the Si but it can climb to 30k if you're not careful. But there's something about 270 ft lbs of torque (252hp) that just pulls this car with such authority and vigor, it's easy to forget its "shortcomings". Anyway, I'm looking forward to an Si/GTI/ST comparo soon!

[@buildmorefarms1007]

And it has a volume knob, and doesnt understeer!

[@Acc0rd79]

Ya know....when my old 2001 Honda Prelude was pushing 200hp stock back then and Honda Still tosses in a boring 205hp engine in a current car....sorta tells you they are slipping. From the video I gather it just needs to be around 230hp and have a damn volume knob! haha

[@gorlaconify]

Acc0rd79 Nice, I have one myself in the same year even. Great car. High revving 197hp NA H22a4, double wishbone suspension all around, nice interior, great ride quality, and under 3000lbs. Says a lot when I would take my current car new over any 2017 Honda. They lost their soul a while ago, and have been downhill since.

[@AutoEsoterica]

Actually, it may be putting out around 230 horses. It feels like a VERY strong 205.

[@TassieLorenzo]

If someone doesn't need a warranty, they should pick up a Prelude Type SH rather the 2017 Si coupe. The Prelude SH seems like so much fun, with it's trick ATTS.

[@tercel95]

Take off the rose colored glasses for a second. First off this car is probably underrated from the factory. It also has more power, more luxury features, better fuel economy, better safety features, weighs less and costs almost 10k less than a Prelude when you factor in inflation. The Prelude was a great car but not really when you consider it cost 36k (in todays dollars) and weighed over 3000 lbs (2001 SH).

[@gleekthageek]

John Pang I think you are right and they already have tuning programs to wake up the car a lot already and just released. Also all these people complain about the hp don't realize that a good car with less hp is better on insurance than per say the high hp advertised car, so I think Honda underrates some of there cars to help you save money in the long run too which is nice. Because who wants to get ripped off on car insurance when it's not necessary.

[@McBurnside6380]

Finally an honest opinion of the clutch pedal feel. I drove a 2018 hatchback sport and hated the clutch. You couldn't feel it start to grab at all. No friction zone whatsoever.

[@justindavis5983]

Good review. I love the new Si. Good amount of performance, style, and practicality.

[@f181234]

Honda has always had soft feeling clutches it makes them easier to drive especially if you're a beginner manual driver

[@RyanRusich]

I originally hated the styling but it's growing on me. I'm over the hill but would absolutely love this car.

[@siamiam]

really liked that song at the beginning, worked out great with the editing to introduce the car great overall review

[@brianlee-zx1ig]

I am confused...if any of you also watch #the fast lane car, roman said that driving impression on the civic is embargoed until June 6th...Craig was also at this Honda event and i am pretty sure there is driving impression here...someone please shed some light on my confusion.

[@RainbowTy]

brian lee I was wondering the same thing lol

[@brianlee-zx1ig]

Also checked the #redlineReviews and same thing

[@AutoEsoterica]

Honda initially told us driving impressions were embargoed until June 6. However, at the event they said it lifted on May 30 at 12:01 Eastern Time. We asked them about 18 times to make sure it was May 30 and that's what they said. I guess they just changed their mind...

[@RumblestripDotNet]

We were told at the MAMA Rally, and signed the appropriate NDA's, that the driving impression embargos came off on May 30th.

[@erikch5752]

more torque with a chassis that weighs 100 lbs less than before, still w/ an LSD, still a 6spd and refined ride which is why most civic owners of my generation upgraded to more "premium" brands. I think this is good

[@aeronj7283]

i guess we're intro baited! nice review as always sir!

[@patrickm6967]

Craig is back, baby!

[@SkyeHack]

7:12 *evil nerd laugh*

[@Chris-iq5pr]

SkyeHack 😂😂

[@TheItemBox]

Comment of the century

[@505enthusiast4]

Tune it and the beast awakens

[@Mindyhartwick]

Great review! I just bought this car two days ago and I love it! The clutch doesn't bother me at all, but then I drive in stop and go traffic a lot and a tight clutch can get tiresome.

[@mEnTL32]

You won't believe the 6 things that happen when you step on the clutch! #4 blew our minds!

[@swanblake]

Would love to see a future comparison to the Hyundai Elantra Sport please @Autoguide

[@raymondakam4208]

I like this guy one of the best automotive journalist

[@laurenlalo153]

holly jesus! what a intro, love it, great review!!

[@kevinalan1335]

the vague clutch complaint has become an journalistic trope. We're in the era of light weight flywheels and hydraulic clutches. take a spin in anything with a cable actuated clutch and you will forgive any amount of seat time it takes to be accustom to such a seamless clutch pedal. A slave cylinder typically only extends about an inch to 1.5" and it's not as if each gear grabs at a different location. I actually think it is much easier to feather the clutch than past Honda's that had excessively high clutch pedals. No more having to actually lift your leg during gear changes.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Good: 100 lbs lighter, more torque than last gen model, red seats are gone, better fuel mpg. Bad: no vtec, no volume and tuning knobs, not much improvement in speed, rev hang. For 25k not bad but not much improved.

[@hasanal-habbobi4018]

Dam the editing skills !!!

[@TassieLorenzo]

Very slick editing!

[@ydmf2]

prefer light clutch myself, heavy ones are tiring in traffic. no volume knob, so annoying. Everyone hates it, why does Honda takes years to listen...

[@RainbowTy]

ydmf2 I don't know about you but when I have steering wheel controls, I don't even use the head unit controls. No biggie to me.

[@kadzricafort3343]

Vee Daab finally somebody said it! RIGHT

[@Justin87878]

a bit clutch heavier give you more fell in the driving experience (Y)

[@maximus9401]

They listened...for the CRV only. I have no idea why they haven't put it on every other car, maybe that unit is too big or differently integrated? I'm not sure. But I'm willing to bet that same unit with the volume knob from the CRV is going to come to the rest of the cars fairly soon

[@michaeldeadwyler4034]

it helps to prevent distractions from the center unit. less knobs, less distractions, less accidents.

[@burkett1983]

Craig your reviews crack me up!

[@chairrules2007]

After Honda made us wait soooo long for this redesign, it would be very hard for this car to NOT be a little bit of a disappointment. it doesnt really matter. Honda specifically made each model/trim of the civic as a bait and switch to lead you to the next trim level up, at no point giving you exactly what you want and no more than you need, at the price you can deal with. This SI is very much bait for people to wait and get the type R civic; and spend more and more money. Big props to this reviewer for not kissing Honda's butt and 100% raving over the car in general (Honda pro Jason), and the clutch more specifically. "Lower base price than many of its rivals". Yes ! Lower base price than its "closest" rival, the Honda Civic sport touring hatchback. Funny how that worked out, right Honda ?

[@Mugenkidd82]

my 93 si will always be the best model

[@kevweodogun7221]

The only Honda that I'd buy.

[@mountainhobo]

So they slap a turbo on it, but you still have to rev it to 3500 rpm to get a response out of it like a naturally aspirated engine? So what's the point, higher repair bills?

[@B1ackTheRipper]

More torque down low my friend. Easier to drive in traffic.

[@mountainhobo]

More torque down low would have meant response at lower rpms, but Craig clearly said, until it hits 3500 rpm, nothing happens. So apparently the torque curve is not what you think it is.

[@skirmich]

The torque curve even when its in the middle-high range is still shit loads better than any of the previous Si´s Engines which means once you hit the 3500RPM it will pull and leave behind any other Civic except for the Type-R. You seem to forget this car is not a commuter, This is meant for Track-Sport duty and last time I checked you will be riding the high end of the RPM in those situations.

[@maximus9401]

If you look at dyno sheets of regular Civic turbos, you can see that it's a progressive build, then flat torque all the way across. There's a good bit torque down low. The difference being that the Si turbo impeller is set up for higher rpm flow (9 blades versus 11) so it has to give up just a bit down low. There's still plenty torque though, it's not bad at all

[@crispinsugita9398]

Previously, you had to rev it to about 5,000 with Vtec.

[@BenHayat]

I can't wait for this reviewer to review the Type R clutch and compare it to Si.

[@MrChevybaja]

Craig, aint nobody dont love some VHS's

[@brucec43]

Interesting styling, which is rare for a Honda.

[@charleshu5752]

Bring back the K20A… I love the NA VTEC. Bring back the S2000

[@f181234]

Charles Hu turbos are the future NA wouldn't pass emissions everyone is switching to turbos

[@Yammie_Moto671]

Turbo kicked in yo!

[@LVang152]

this short guys is great!

[@911Glokk]

Couldnt stop rewinding to 7:12. Funniest laugh I ever heard.

[@jasondavid6357]

This video was great. Thanks for the cheeky humor!

[@spike378]

Si for fun daily driver and type r for track. Its time for you guys to upgrade

[@GamingSkeptic]

I love the civic coupe and the accord coupe

[@HowToGoSupernova]

we've been trolled by Cole! lol I like this guy

[@abaj006]

There is always a common misconception about FWD under steer. These so called 'sports' cars under-steer because their front suspension does not keep the wheels perpendicular to the road when cornering (i.e. the front wheels do not gain negative camber with body roll). The under-steer is not due to the front tyres being overpowered by the engine's torque. A very simple fact, which most motoring journalists simply do not understand.

[@Brandonツツツ]

I've been bamboozled. Was this directed by M. Knight Shyamalan?

[@googleit1131]

I'm just waiting for the Type R

[@LVang152]

I been waiting for the R as well.

[@AriSubie22b]

This is not a race car. This is a sport car hence the si and for what it is , it is perfect. Want some thing beastly, go for the type r. "Clutch being too light" what? You prefer to step on a brick?

[@ChunkyChipz]

I hope that head gasket hold before the turbo goes out.

[@dawsonjohannes613]

Interesting how he states the engine doesn't live until 3500 RPM and peak torque is from 2100 RPM. I guess I'll have to drive one!

[@supershark9k708]

Note one thing he said test cars got track pads to sum that up break fade for days with the version you will buy

[@edgardiaz4200]

i still like the 9th gen si coupes more

[@apt62]

Good daily for the money!

[@neiljborja]

3:42 wow, the zoom in on the black plastic fake vents doesn't do Honda any favors. I really hope they move away from this look.

[@danielallocca7770]

Still think a 1 year old 370z is a far better buy for anyone who can sacrifice the "back seat" that the si has.... and I'm a long time Honda owner.... two Acura TSXs, a civic, an RDX and an MDX.

[@zero00-100]

Do a new video with this Civic vs the BRZ!

[@joseraynortibor334]

My dream car when I grow up

[@dadvibes8861]

Inconceivable!

[@zero00-100]

Civic vs BRZ!!

[@iquattro5331]

Which one is better

[@WelshyAutomotive]

The hatch is waaaay better looking than the sedan haha.

[@krishnaryali5593]

well concluded! kept all guessing

[@JuanGarcia-zq5tp]

I thought you guys had an embargo that meant you could not give any driving impressions or opinions until June 6th?

[@AutoGuide]

The embargo was moved to an earlier date!

[@DawidAugust]

US has now Civic Type R...Let Europe have this one:)

[@DawidAugust]

Say...Type S :))

[@palebeachbum]

Very odd that a sporty car with a turbo engine has no torque. Turbo engines are usually pretty torque-aggressive. I expect that if it's got no guts under 3500rpm, it's going to feel a lot slower than its full potential in daily driving. So, it probably won't be as much fun commuting as it could be. If it's only fun out on a track, it seems like Honda missed the mark to me as most Civic Si will be driven predominantly on the street. That's a pretty big flaw. How does it compare to the likes of the Elantra Sport and Sentra Turbo? I'm hearing the Elantra Sport drives great. It's also cheaper and better warrantied.

[@RobertBrown-xr5wk]

I love my si

[@chanace]

you sneaky sneaky man

[@erichaynes7502]

I'm going Type R after watching this.

[@gtmgu]

I love civics (i own one), but... why this instead of a brz? Arent they similarly priced?

[@LLSniper]

BRZ is approximately 2k more I believe, and the SI seems to be much better equipped for the price it is. Also there's the benefit of having 4 seats in the coupe, or even just going with the sedan.

[@f181234]

q your comparing apples and oranges why buy an brz if I can get used mustang GT?

[@HalfBreedMix]

Because you can't drive a BRZ in snow.

[@AE86ofMtAkina]

+Luke Lenci (SniperLUKE) The BRZ has rear seats

[@ShakingTwoTrees2012]

Unless, of course, you put proper snow tires on it.

[@MexicoTijuana741]

Look like you have to learn that Honda makes their clutch like that because people like it light

[@riceme]

Does anyone have the 2017 civic SI and know how comfortable it is for long rides 5+ hours?

[@sivispacem101]

the Evil Tester !

[@ani2595]

Any mods out for this car yet?

[@Reggaetonaldo]

That music thou.

[@zero00-100]

I hope they'll make a Si R

[@jennsidhe]

What is the name of the guy narrating this video? His voice reminds me of hank green from sci show and I'm wondering if they are related.

[@DreamhopMusic]

Wow..

[@HiMyNameIsJonathan]

I completely disagree about what he said about the clutch and inability to drive smoothly.

[@LukeO-1234]

Debating between a 2018 SI or a certified 2015.

[@iquattro5331]

2018 Si

[@dootndo2]

Troll Level 9000. Love it. :D

[@justintrinh8766]

I like it

[@jorgegil3770]

Will their be a four door hatch version ?

[@JohnSmith-rx2nd]

YAY ITS CRAIG

[@GrumpyFelo]

the only good thing this civic got is the B-roll take at the begging of the video

[@anajay78]

You lost me at no volume knob.

[@FasterThanSoup]

We gotta get a sandwich or two into this guy

[@deljuegogaming8545]

Looks good but not enough for me to trade in my '15 coupe........

[@CSIG1001]

look up in the dictionary "pencil neck geek" and this guy's picture will show up

[@tormenmashi_]

Type r should have a option for coupe.

[@blahber222]

Craig, I'm in school for car design and I want to be an intern for youuuuu

[@jason82180]

I just drove one today. Holy shit that clutch sucks. Absolutely zero resistance and zero engagement feel. That alone ruined the car for me.

[@senorbautista6143]

The SI coupe needs a spoiler delete option.

[@saq4851]

What is better civic si or Elantra gt

[@Fadic4]

S AQ test drive them both. The civic has a better chassis though and also better suspension set up, and also that Honda transmission. Test drive them both though.

[@jakop8029]

How to know the car year made please?

[@andrewl8251]

give me some " meat on the bones"😂😂

[@hortn123]

What car can you guys see Craig to be a perfect match for?

[@wojiaobill]

hot pink toyota prius

[@normileguy6788]

hortn123 I could see him getting a Kia Niro personally

[@05Forenza]

I've got an older TSX that has a clutch made out of lead. It's kind of ridiculous. I'd prefer something lighter.

[@honda116969]

3,500 rpm? Starts to pull no way dude more like 2800 you feel it by 3K it's moving

[@AoiGP]

Honda isn't a Honda without it's VTEC. so all Civics (except Type R) has no VTEC.