2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime First Impressions; Ford's Unveiling of the 2021 F-150 | Talking Cars

[@malikpollock3330]

Jen is the cool, wise Aunt that everyone needs in their life. Love you Aunt Jen!

[@yoeuychhung8219]

Can u use rav5 prime as generator?

[@RatKing59]

The F-150 shifter is innovative, but it’s an extra motor that can fail. What happens when you can’t bring it up? You know what would have solved the same problem? A column shifter.

[@ryadhasanahmed5443]

bUt A cOlUmN sHiFtEr Is So ChEaP lOoKiNg

[@toronado455]

LOL yeah please give me a XL with a column shift.

[@Sublimer79]

Would be wise to have a manual mode. As in you can lift the shifter and put it back down if the motor fails plus. One wouldn't HAVE to fix it, if it did break.

[@MarkRVillano]

The hybrid, in tandem with the huge, onboard generator is a real game changer. Aside from it's many job-site, and campsite advantages, it will also be able to provide power to small travel trailers in transit, while topping off the house batteries at the same time. Boon-docking with a truck that has a 30 gallon gas tank, and a 7.2 kilowatt generator will be like nothing else out there. Pulling into a campsite with a relatively full tank, along with a couple of additional Jerry-Cans, power will no longer be a limiting factor when it comes to how long you are able to remain on site. Especially if you have a solar equipped travel trailer with lithium house batteries. You'll run out of food, water, and just about everything else, before you'll ever run out of power.

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

Glad to see Gabe, we need to see him more!!

[@YoursNKR]

For sure Commander!!

[@Pube83]

And less of the scratchy voiced red head. Nails on a chalkboard...

[@ludovicoc7046]

Yeah, uh, we, uh, sure, uh, need, uh, more, uh, of , uh, Gabe!

[@phlydude]

RAV4 Prime is limited to 5000 units in the US for at least the 1st model year due to battery production limitations. Good luck getting one and if you can get one, MSRP will be a good price. Toyota dropped the ball on the production of this one. So much hype and so out of reach for the majority of people that want to buy one.

[@ryadhasanahmed5443]

They've had wayyyyyyy too many pre-orders, more than they expected

[@normt5463]

@@ryadhasanahmed5443 mostly all of them are dealerships. What is Toyota's message to dealerships about mark up.

[@phlydude]

Ryad Hasan Ahmed of course they did, a 300Hp RAV4 has a lot of appeal, saving money by having EV charging capability added to the appeal

[@webcomment8895]

@@ryadhasanahmed5443 They are lying. There is no way they expected only 5,000 buyers. It's a compliance vehicle that they want to sell only the minimum amount needed to get their credits.

[@roger1818]

And they are only selling it in ZEV States. Just goes to show that this is just a green washed compliance car and Toyota has no interest in electrification. They are too big to change with the times and will be bankrupt in 20 years.

[@nickolastiguan]

15:40 thank you Gabe for correctly stating that it is a eCVT

[@Phos9]

So much effort to stay away from a column shifter...

[@YoursNKR]

Hey Gabe 👋 good to see you again 😊, ofcourse we want to see you guys test the hybrid F150

[@chuckwalla2967]

I thought the plug-in gets less MPG than the regular hybrid in the hybrid mode due to its heavier weight.

[@AlexBAlixir98]

Rav 4 Prime is a bad boy. It out paced the Camry TRD off the line on TFL channel

[@normt5463]

Especially at elevation...

[@tinhinnh]

I hope theres a manual way to retract the shifter in case....

[@Noah_E]

I'd imagine a panel on the side that can be removed with a gear to manually rise it, like cars with fold down headlights always had. Or at the bare minimum a plug that can be pulled so it never lowers in the first place.

[@ned8249]

I love the prime but I’m hearing it’s going to be hard to get one.

[@motobc2251]

Ned Dyer More like nearly impossible

[@stephenj4937]

Agreed. Seems like CR will have to get lucky to find one to test.

[@treads2595]

That is an understatement. The dealers are going to be raking in the dough on this one. My guess is that it will go for at least $10K over sticker. And it's already a $50K car.

[@joewilder]

I don't think Gabe was right about the Q7 timing chain replacement cost of $1,000. Here's what I found on Google: The average cost for an Audi Q7 timing chain tensioner replacement is between $2,409 and $2,958. Labor costs are estimated between $2097 and $2646 while parts are priced at $312. Estimate does not include taxes and fees.

[@kennyclark284]

That’s right it’s estimated to be $5,000+ and not just the timing chain on many cars nowadays. You have to pull the engine to change a water pump costing $5,000+ on many many cars. Oil must be changed often and kept level. Mfg recommendations of 15.000 miles between synthetic changes can be a contributor to this problem.

[@davidm5707]

My question is, is the Audi engine an interference engine like a Honda's? If not, it's worth waiting until it breaks to replace it. Since it may never break. Anyway, if you can afford a Q7, you can afford the repairs.

[@g-mang-man7924]

Q7 reliability is really not so good...what's worse are the massive expense of repairs as the vehicle ages. Timing chain replacement is around $5,000. I am a service manager at a national used car retailer, and every time I see these being sold....I think of the repair costs...a headlight is $2,000 if a parking light led goes out....I will keep my Toyotas thank you.

[@tinhinnh]

Wow, no wonder a lot of people lease these

[@michaelhansum9547]

You did not address the limited production limits. 5000 this year and 20000 each year afterwards.

[@nicholassmith7048]

Two words for Ford: column shifter.

[@45414]

Interested in the F-150 hybrid. With the effect of stop and go driving on MPG I am surprised more work trucks haven't implemented hybrid powertrains.

[@updlate4756]

Few things about the RAV4 Prime. I'm amazed the tax credit wasn't mentioned initially when you first stated the price. Thankfully Gabe mentioned the credit later in the discussion, and he didn't even mention state tax credits. These are definitely factored in when the company sets the MSRP; knowing that the majority of customers will be eligible for these credits. Price for the base version in CA would be **under** $30k after CA and federal credits. It's also eligible for the HOV lane pass in CA which is priceless to a lot of drivers. I don't understand why you're saying this is "a little more" horsepower and fuel economy. It isn't. It's a lot more. It's 1.4 seconds faster 0-60 than the hybrid version. RAV4 Hybrid is ~40 mpg, the prime is 94 MPGe when driving on electric only, which may make up the lion's share of a driver's miles. The PHEV is cheaper to fuel, cheaper to maintain, and produces far fewer emissions. . Toyota has said that converting all cars to high gas mileage hybrids makes sense and is possible with limited battery supplies, but these Prime versions get significantly higher MPGe than hybrids because the majority of their miles driven use electricity. In the RAV4 Prime, they're doing this with only an 18 kWh battery, instead of the 50 - 100 kWh batteries in BEVs. Battery supply is limited and currently takes a lot of energy to produce larger battery packs, so this should allow them to produce far more PHEVs than BEVs with lower production emissions, thereby replacing far more ICEs until such a time as battery supply increases significantly and gets cleaner. . You also said that this is great for short pickup/dropoff situations.. ummm, no. It's good for all commuters. 42 miles of electric range is 10 miles more than the average driver's daily r/t commute in the US. That means the entire commute can be made using electricity. For those with longer commutes than 42 miles, this will significantly reduce the amount of gasoline they burn and how often they have to fill up. With workplace charging, you can effectively double the electric range of the vehicle on a daily basis. Being that it's an efficient hybrid, it still gets great gas mileage when it does use gas.

[@sumitshresth]

Perfect argument 👍👍

[@Pigletsyes]

Great to see Gabe again!

[@lopezmichael3]

What's the process to decide who is on the panel? Why are some on more than others?

[@roguedogx]

10:27 if you can only by so many, and I'm assuming you can, I'd actually suggest axing the all gas options and just testing the new ones. Hybrid, diesel, and electric. We know how the gas will perform by this point. It's all the new stuff we'll have questions about.

[@michaellopour7409]

Agree - don't buy an "old" powertrain if you've already tested that particular engine/transmission combo. I'm intrigued about the hybrid and diesel versions. As with many others the decision for consumers probably won't be whether these are "good" options or not, but rather they are worth whatever the price premium is and that's the analysis we like to get from CR.

[@superlight47]

Toyota is also coming out with a hybrid pickup truck, but it is delayed two time I think.

[@normt5463]

No they are not. Toyota doesn't have much beyond hybrids and hydrogen.

[@MrCarpediem6]

Other Rav4 Prime impressions I've heard: 1) heaver/ponderous 2) softer ride 3) not the "sport" you're expecting 4) look and decide carefully between the prime and hybrid

[@dudemiesterification]

Yes, one of the hybrid

[@Sublimer79]

A 100k maintenance is a long time. Generally, I'd say look around at different prices for how much that maintenance would be. If you are buying a new Audi you realize you are paying more. And a 1000 dollars for 100k driving isn't huge. All cars have a costly 100k maintenance schedule. If you are worried about price on maintenance prob. Best to get a non German car. At least not if you are in the USA where it costs more. And not all shops have an interest in dealing with Audi. My friend had am Audi and seems very common that most shops hate working on them. As they are unnecessarily complex. But, there are shops out there. They just will charge MORE for all the work and tech it takes to work on them. The dealer will always cost more. That's my take anyway. Feel free to disagree, if you want. I'm not a mechanic. But I talked to my share over the years.

[@gene978]

My 2017 Impala has Auto Stop and I never lose A/C when the engine cuts at a stop. It goes to a low fan speed but the air is still very cold and after 1 min. the engine restarts to save the battery. But because of auto stop I get 23 MPG City. and Highway 35 MPG and some cases I got 40 MPG highway that is when the Speed limit is around 50mph.

[@N2LADIES55]

I enjoyed the video, quite informative.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Love RAV4 Prime. The eCVT has an old fashion planetary gear and not the belts like most CVTs. My RAV4 Hybrid's eCVT is much better than my Subaru Forester's CVT.

[@tinhinnh]

I thought all toyota hybrids are ecvt...

[@paulc2548]

Why do they say "you subtract $7500 from the purchased price of $41k and it ended up in the low $30k" I thought you subtract $7500 from your income which means you saved the amount of taxable income from the $7500. So, if you are taxed at 25% you save $1875 and not the full $7500...right?

[@paulstein9258]

You are confusing tax credit with tax deduction. Your calculations are for tax deductions. The only glitch is low income people, will not be getting much of the credit. Of course at this price, they won’t be buyers. People that are self employed, and keep their income low by omitting income, will also miss out. Summary. If you pay at least $ 7500 in income taxes, you will save the full $ 7500.

[@JRRR29-k1b]

Great review! Can’t wait to see your review of the Ford Mach E!

[@chrisjoplin3033]

To answer John's question more fully regarding electric heating and cooling. Electric cars using the more efficient heat pumps use the same system for cooling as heating, just like a home heat pump. However, in a gas car the heat source is waste heat from the burning of gas. So in a gas car the heat is "free". To transition a gas car to a heat pump for heat would actually result in a loss of mpg as the system would be using more electricity than a conventional heater. Now, using a heat pump for AC in the summer on a gas car might result in a very slight mpg savings but that would be given back in the winter.

[@The-Great-Catsby-25]

Hybrid F-150 fascinates me.

[@texasliam]

Cool. If it can tow 8000lbs for 600 miles. Question is for how long. Compared to a regular v8. Smaller turbo engines tend to wear out faster under load.

[@ninetwenty]

Great show Thanks

[@bobripley7138]

Concerning the new F150 hybrid, I hope that you will take some time to compare this system to the mild hybrid in the newer Ram and also comment on the weight of the system and its effect on payload capacity. One of the things that has always bugged me about truck marketing is that the emphasis is put on towing capacity while, in the real world where you also are carrying your family and other things, payload is the real determining factor when it comes to how much you can actually tow. Thanks for the great shows!

[@freedom_foz_6337]

I want to see the electric/hybrid hummer. Will never buy one but want to see it!

[@bandkadams8897]

Hybrid is very interesting. Not usually an early adopter, but I will take a hard look... Plus, I love the on-board generator option. Two great ideas] that may be a true competitive advantage.

[@toronado455]

I hope CR buys the hybrid F-150 for their test program.

[@jeffw6894]

Apparently the V8 will have cylinder deactivation technology. I'd like to see you get and review one of those.

[@megant7859]

Get the F150 powerboost please.

[@superlight47]

I am not into Pure EV, it just not for me. once I decide to do a long distance drive like to one I do almost every year, Brooklyn NY to Montreal QC, I do not even want to spend 15 minutes, 45 minutes to a hour just waiting around for an to be full or partly charge to continue my journey. I want to get from point A to B with little or no stop to get to where I need to be, and a HV or PHV is just the perfect vehicle for me with no worries about range to getting off a more direct route to my destination just to get to tap off with electricity. The RAV4 HV is ist only my list for my next replacement that will replace my 2001 Corolla.The RAV4 PHV I would love to get too, and that is even more perfect, but it just close to my yearly income.

[@roger1818]

Brooklyn to Montreal is about 600 km (just under 400 miles) and is about a 6 hour drive. First of all, BEVs are starting to get that kind of range and it will become more common over the next couple years as battery technology improves and their prices continue to fall. Secondly, most people will want to stop at lest once to pee on that length of drive and you can easily add a couple hundred km of range while you do so. Thirdly, even if you do have to wast 15 minutes charging on the drive, count it as a small price to pay for the 12 hours a year you save from not having to stop to fill up the rest of the year if you can change while you sleep (15 minutes a week times 50 weeks).

[@brucemaloy4769]

How many hours do you have to work to pay for a tank of gas? Just a point you might want to consider.

[@VkXander1]

When are you opening up video questions to Android users? Using line/WhatsApp/Google Duo? Not everyone uses Apple devices

[@rightlanehog3151]

Let's not forget that for all their new Hybrids, Toyota is also fighting to reduce CAFE standards and keep more gas guzzlers on the road.

[@tanattecnocraft]

Truck bed spray-on liners will need to rethink their aftermarket clients.

[@michaellopour7409]

It seems the market has corrected the issue there - clearly trucks should have always come with liners!

[@scottvickery2057]

Full size trucks are stupid expensive now

[@AwesomeJoe007]

The new F150 looks more like a refresh than a redesign. Imo, Ford might just be cutting cost and avoiding more spending about redesigning their line up. Their approach is very similar to the aging line up of Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge vehicles.

[@rockford2523]

Hybrids are a good ideal, but they cost too much money initially to purchase. IMHO, you won’t make up the price difference between using gas or buying a $48,000 hybrid vehicle.

[@marekw.9816]

No, you will not see electric heating elements on gas engine cars. This is because about 70% of the energy in gasoline is converted to heat, so there is an abundance of "free" heat for warming the cabin. There, I answered the question the hosts could not/would not answer.

[@banstaman]

Some cars actually have electric heaters in cold weather/winter packages for when you want heat before the engine gets warm enough to cycle hot coolant to the heater core. It's a rare find nowadays, though.

[@Sublimer79]

If Ford's doing so well. Why the crap cant they get there stock price UP?

[@eskieman3948]

Talk to the unions... and GM is RIGHT behind them!

[@edweagle]

Confused why you guys / gals are buying a rav4 prime. Also confused why there was no mention of 5000 vehicles for all of north america. why review a vehicle no one can buy?

[@toronado455]

I think it's because it will be more plentiful eventually, and it would be good to have the test data available when that time comes.

[@MilanStier]

Guys, you should join Spotify, it would be really easy and effective to go there. Cheers!

[@shaneliffin6116]

Great vehicle, but after contacting multiple dealerships, they all tell me the chances of me getting one is quite low.

[@gman1008]

He said $1,000 for the Audi timing chain replacement. I think that is significantly less than what an Audi dealer would charge. Anyone have a real cost?

[@digitaldoc100]

While it is ok for these companies to offer hybrid versions, I also wish that they would continue to offer optional ICE engines. Not all of us are obsessed with fuel economy above all else. while this new RAV4 Prime is fast on paper, it is a fairly dull driving experience, and be a lot more exciting with the V-6 3.5NA from the Camry, or the 2.0T from the NX300. As it stands, although in the market for a compact CUV, I would not be buying this one.

[@nickolastiguan]

Really want to upgrade my 17 RAV4 Hybrid to the RAV4 Prime

[@normt5463]

Maybe in 2022.

[@nickolastiguan]

Norm T yup, ain’t paying above MSRP for one.

[@rayb1613]

Mike M. is the best host

[@tinhinnh]

better than the other hyundai loving mike

[@frumpd63]

Toyota's a bit full of it as this vehicle will have basically no availability this year and very limited next year. You also need to spend the full 50 grand to get memory seats and even that one has a fixed height passenger seat.

[@normt5463]

Yes, but crazy close to $50K.

[@Benjamin-sn5cw]

Oh Gabe is back. Ugh. SNORE! The others have some actual charisma. Gabe is the VW Passat of the team. Fine to have in the line-up but ball-achingly dull. Put him back into hibernation please. The RAV4 Prime is the perfect family vehicle for most people. It's got decent power, great space, amazing economy, AWD, reliability, comfort. A nicer interior would be good but really the only issue is the price which is going to remain stubbornly high due to limited production (currently) with some dealers charging $5k over MSRP. That's crazy but it also means resale is also going to be high

[@antonzhloba6929]

Newer with more miles is generally better, but those need to be the highway miles

[@cesartrujillo4190]

There was no hybrid? Prius proved it was an attractive power train option 20 years ago. Prius was underpowered but obviously trucks could have used another implementation and obviously now have. RAV4 Prime is a joke. 5k in the US? Might as well have just called it RAV4 Compliance Edition.

[@judyaustin8527]

Dear Elon, please send all your batteries to Toyota and Ford so they can quickly produce the vehicles that people really want. Thank you!

[@cadsux]

Mr. Musk already has open patents for other automakers to view & use. As for what people want, last year in North America, Tesla sold 200,000 vehicles, while Ford sold over 1 million F-series trucks, equal to Rav4, Camry, & Corolla combined (the other 3 top selling vehicles). Basically, Tesla sold as many vehicles as Ford sold Fusions, but I applaud Tesla, since it's just 1 factory.

[@MrArdytube]

Ah, competition.... Ford looked into their crystal ball an realized that Tesla was going to offer a lot more than just an electric truck

[@trevorhsu6357]

So the Ford F-150 isn't all new. It is a moderate refresh. I mean you can tell the outside sheet metal is the same apart from the bumper and back. Probably over 95% of the parts are the same. Every time I watch this it becomes clearer and clearer that consumer reports doesn't really know what they're talking about. Also, why don't you guys split us reliability reporting by powertrain. Surely the 2.0 na civic engine and the 1.5t civic engine each individually sell far greater than some nice cars. Couldn't you report reliability for the 2.0 and the 1.5t separately? Similarly for the v6, 4cyl, and hybrid Camry. Ect...

[@FlyGuy457]

Why would we go to all plug in when there is virtually no where to plug it in? No such thing as a stupid question but, man I am not stumped.

[@ltkwok]

Toyota is selling a Lexus all electric SUV in China.

[@Noah_E]

My F350, F250, and my dad's Ranger have column shifters and they work fine. Why fix something that aint broke? Also, on the Audi, it sounds like he is confusing a timing belt with a timing chain. I've replaced several timing belts due to age, but a timing chain should almost never need replacement. That's the main selling point of a timing chain vs belt. It's louder, but should outlast the vehicle.

[@FloridaClay]

A couple of observations. The fold down shifter on the F150 is very clever and you wonder why nobody else thought of that before once you've seen it. Second, Toyota is spot on in its philosophy. We are likely 10 to 15 years away from the time when charging time and a fully adequate charging infrastructure make pure electrics the way to go for most people for general use. When I'm on the road the last thing I want to do is be anxious about whether I can get to the next charger that's convenient to my route and then when I find one twiddling my thumbs at one waiting for the charge to complete. Hybrids are for real life where people just want to get in the vehicle and go.

[@rncondie]

Very disappointed 99% of interested buyers will have no chance to purchase the Rav 4 Prime and to the 1% who are able to buy will spend more than MSRP. Why would Toyota alienate so many interested buyers? Toyota is known for research and they would have known the supply of batteries would not meet demand yet they pressed forward marketing an automobile they knew would never meet the demand. Makes me want to look at a Tesla

[@Buc_Stops_Here]

Toyota does not like adopting all new technologies. Great example - Apple Carplay/Android Auto. Just starting to adopt it now even though all other manufacturers have had it for years. Why would they focus on electric cars when they developed the new hybrid car in the rare time they took the lead in technology? Also, I note Jennifer replaced her 2012 with a 2019, 7 years later. My last car I bought in 2006 (Saab 9-3 by GM) and sold in 2018 - with 191,000. My 2013 Subaru Legacy H6 now has 100,500 on it and plan to keep it through 2025 at the very least. I guess they replace there cars earlier than we do but that makes sense.

[@ERPRocks]

I thought resistive heating was close to 100% efficient. How is a heat pump better than that?

[@stephenj4937]

Heat pumps can be 200-300% efficient because instead of generating heat they move it from outside the cabin to inside the cabin.

[@La-yt1wr]

I was planning to buy a 2014 Acura TL SH-AWD but I didn't because I couldn't find one in my area and because I was worried about the complexity of the Awd and the mileage. So instead I decided to buy a 2018 Honda Civic Hatchback Sport Touring.

[@stevevarholy2011]

Toyota lost me at $48k RAV4...

[@Notkeiran]

Minus the 7k the government gives you

[@joa8593]

Pure battery electric with range more than ~100 miles makes no sense. Over 90% of the time cars are parked, over 99% of the time they are parked or traveling less than 30 miles. Huge batteries are wasteful on many levels. Best is a small battery vehicle feeding train infrastructure. The US is backwards on public transit, so here maybe a plug-in hybrid or plug in-fuel cell vehicles make the most sense. Even autonomy won't change the economics, buses would simply become more important.

[@WDavid-bm9jd]

It not worth to pay for additional $10K for this car, In Japan , we are just waiting for it until it’s available, but in US, it seems a lot of people willing to pay more for this one just for 300horsepower, American really like horsepower car😂

[@jameswitte5676]

Buy a F-150 king ranch hybrid and XLT with 2.7 engine.

[@texasliam]

I thought ford dropped the rivan thing

[@treads2595]

They did. Rivian will not be making a pickup for them....for now. They could go back to it later.

[@arthurkawa7987]

ford has to not make the chrome on the tail gate it shines back in the driver beshind that is why you don't have chrome bumpers you would get blinded

[@billyshannon6454]

I am already tired of hearing of the not sorts car of SUVs, RAV4 prime....

[@mikeceli]

Test the HYBRID F150! IT is the NEW power-train.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

F150 Raptor

[@PaulHo]

Ugh, the non-stop umm machine is back. What even is the point of on-ear headphones?

[@Kylehoulihan]

For the timing chain. Life of the engine is when somthing fails. That's life of engine. I dont have an audi I have a 08 civic and that engine went and I just had another one from the junk yard put in. So for me its cheaper to just wait untill it fails and then put a low mileage used one in. But i have no idea how much engines are for an suv like that but for my money I would own an audi or Mercedes-Benz out of non Japanese luxury cars.

[@shadowdance4666]

Why are legacy automakers dragging their feet so much when it comes to EV’s? Because, they know it will CRUSH their parts division. That’s where they make the lions share of their profits

[@normt5463]

The profit margins on selling EV will double. The suppliers will take it on the chin the most if they do not adapt.

[@WAN2TREE4]

Your statement makes sense only if the cars break down a lot. But modern cars are very reliable now. If they don't break, no money on parts, no money for them. Wrong argument.

[@Mabeylater293]

6:21. U guys have some serious credibility issues if you fail to see the benefit and the appeal of the push button shifter.

[@stephenj4937]

The issue with push-button shifters is you have to look at them to make sure you press the right button.

[@davidm5707]

Especially if you're making a u-turn or parallel parking.

[@84imreplica]

Toyota needs to 'Prime' its full sized pickup.

[@normt5463]

Toyota needs to something with their old trucks and SUVs.

[@mitchellsmith4601]

You send me to your website to read your first impressions of the RAV4 without telling me first that I have to pay? Lame.

[@mikeh.999]

Toyota once again dangles the steak with the Prime then takes it away.......

[@sunnybrown987]

Only interested in electric and gasoline. ...No Diesel

[@mss627]

Plugging your car in every night is already an inconvenience, especially if you live in an apartment or park your vehicle on the street. Is 37 miles of pure electric driving really worth it? Not to me, it isn't. P.S. With the exception of that hideous Mark E, Ford really seems to be hitting it out of the park lately. I had just about given up on them when they announced they were phasing out sedans but now I'm reconsidering.

[@Wrang15]

Live rural where your power goes out once a month on average. My min time is usaly 48 hours once it was 5 weeks. Then add in i have hit -20 some winters with 36 inches of snow over night.

[@coltonphillips1]

Am I the only one who doesn’t want a hybrid or a electric vehicle? I just don’t find them appealing.

[@treads2595]

Have you ever driven a Tesla? That might change your mind. For hybrids, not going to the gas station as often would probably be something that you would appreciate as well.

[@cadsux]

@@treads2595 I've driven my buddy's Tesla S P90D. It's cool, but not $95,000 cool. Fit & finish worse than my Mustang GT. Thin seat cushions. I'd rather sit in the back seats of my Mustang instead of "sitting on the floor" in the Model S. I have owned a hybrid, and respect their place in the market, as well as electrics, but I believe the auto/oil industry purposely "dumbs down" their potential range so they're not as appealing as they can be.

[@yiyangcheng]

It honestly doesn’t look any different than the previous gen. The tech sounds great and all, but it just looks like a lipstick on a pig. It’s almost like how Chevy did the last generation of the pre refreshed Silverado