2023 RANGER RAPTOR TOWING TEST. First Gen VS Next Gen Towing Jayco CROSSTRAK.

[@TyFenwick]

Big thanks to Trev for giving us his spare time, Raptor & Trailer for this test. Plus helping this one man band film all day 🎥 😅 Fuel average 14L per 100 in Gen 1 Fuel average 14.7L per 100 in Gen 2

[@jasonkay742]

really? that seems was to similar

[@dwaynE2099]

@@jasonkay742 can confirm... regularly got 16L/100km in my first gen with 2t behind it, easily can get down to 17 even into the 16's happily in next gen towing same weight... you can easily go worse than that though because hills that stressed the old one out doing 60 up the new one will go up at 80 easily... so if you were to take a next gen and a first gen and get the first gen to try to drive away from the next gen you'd be blown away how good the new one is on fuel when driven the same speeds with the same load.

[@sworks7124]

Cannot wait for the USA to get this truck.

[@yourmatejay]

Great vid!! I’m towing a 18ft forward fold camper behind a 2013 4cyl biturbo manual amarok. It does ok for what it is but it’s nothing like the new raptor, even the old raptor would be a big step up I reckon! Going to make my eventual upgrade very hard for sure!!

[@PadavanDeluxe]

Hey guys I have my raptor for little bit more than 7 weeks and I’m truly in love with it 🤩 in germany we has the opportunity to grade up the towing capacity to 3.3 tons. No issue at all 🤘🏽now it is the perfect Raptor 😎

[@alexandrugherghe5880]

Hi there. Is there any technical change performed for that upgrade?

[@Jonnyxttx]

Wo kann man die Anhängelast Erhöhung für den neuen Raptor machen? Oder gibt es das nur für den alten?

[@adamriley6468]

I’d like to know more about the 3300kg upgrade, can you provide a link to the installer?

[@nihontoman]

Are you talking about the upgrade eibach (or whatever) optional springs?

[@harbuds]

thanks guys you've just made my mind up for me

[@TyFenwick]

Glad we helped 👍🏼😎

[@rich7447]

I am currently between trucks and have had to borrow trucks from friends to move one of my trailers (none of the trucks had a gooseneck hitch so my other trailer, which is a 26k lb GVW flatbed, is not going anywhere for now). The trailer is a 30' enclosed car hauler that weighs about 3,800 lbs/1700 kg empty. Out of the 4 trucks (2 Ram 1500s, 1 Toyota Tundra and 1 Ranger) that I borrowed at various times over the last year and a half, none have been great. They moved the trailer fine, but they did not provide the stability that I am used to. My previous truck was a 2011 Ram 2500 Cummins that I sold shortly after ordering a Ford F450 in March of 2022. I wasn't expecting to be waiting close to this long for the Ford to be built.

[@turbostyler]

Thanks so much for this video, it's exactly what I've been looking for! I've got a 2T boat and I was curious how the raptor would tow. I had my eye on a y62 patrol, but I'm not so sure anymore.

[@Brennomac83]

I use the torque pro app in my 2020 nav to keep an eye on all the vitals on my phone.

[@mimbec]

Been waiting for someone to do this. Great work mate

[@TyFenwick]

Thanks mate, big thank you to Trev for giving us his free time Raptor and trailer. Plus helping me film all day, I’m normally I one man band 😁👍🏼

[@jb0502]

When is offroad test coming u have mentioned? I am almost checking twice a day mate

[@TyFenwick]

Next video is BEACH driving… might be tonight 😉

[@blah979]

Haven't seen the Raptor in white much. looks great.

[@stevens.2574]

Fuel consumption differences would have been interesting to know.

[@TyFenwick]

Ran almost about the same 14L for the bi turbo and about 14.7 for the V6 AVERAGE.

[@bendgeddes]

Good question and thanks for the response Ty. 👍

[@dpdog88]

@@TyFenwick wow that's better than I thought it would be

[@darrensmith4661]

I am interested for this to be done with a Wildtrak and Raptor comparison. Is this something you could arrange/do?

[@TyFenwick]

If Ford can give me a wildtrak 😁👍🏼

[@lachlansheekey2839]

Do you both think that the newfound towing stability is more to do with the additional wheelbase length as opposed to the suspension? Or a combination of both?

[@TyFenwick]

Na I don’t think 50mm would create such a massive difference. How the vehicle rides and handles it’s definitely in the new live valve suspension.

[@lachlansheekey2839]

@Ty Fenwick you were both genuinely impressed which is saying a lot, considering how good the first gen Raptor was.

[@ELheretik1351]

What excatly is the "Tow pro" that ford added to this raptor on order and how does it affect for towing against a raptor without that?

[@TyFenwick]

Tow pro is redarc product to control the trailers electric brakes. First gen had no control from factory unlike second gen now has it standard. In Australia you can’t tow over 750kg without electric brakes

[@adamriley6468]

Great video mate, got one on order, like to know what roof tray that is on the white one please

[@TyFenwick]

Rhino rack mate

[@russellbach5615]

Was there much drag with the new raptor? My only concern with towing a small hybrid

[@TyFenwick]

New Raptor will pull the draw bar out of the caravan 🤣👍🏼

[@brenden619]

I feel like the dude is just feeeling like i hate you for making me want to upgrade.. I bought a 21 tremor and ill be getting a raptor asap in the states... lol wasn't expecting it to actually happen for us.

[@JoshuaFairfull]

Great video mate! I'd absolutely love to have one of these, only things is I'm a chippy and have a dual axel trailer weighing about 2000kg. I've got a '21 Wildtrak but would love to upgrade to a Raptor. How do you reckon it would go towing that 5 days a week all year round?

[@ELheretik1351]

how do you like the wildtrack for an everyday driver

[@JoshuaFairfull]

@@ELheretik1351 Its great! Never missed a beat 👌🏻

[@TyFenwick]

Mate the new raptor will rip tow balls off, plenty of guts to haul that around each day no drama. 😎👍🏼

[@rangiwalker6547]

Looked like the back suspension handled the ball weight fine

[@TyFenwick]

Yeah it did unbelievably well mate. Trev and myself both agree it can tow 2.5t all day long no issues.

[@markburley3291]

Awesome, took one for a drive last week , ordered a code orange one, what was the difference in fuel consumption between Gen 1 & Gen 2.

[@TyFenwick]

We got around 14L in both

[@robinindam6983]

Raptor my favourite car

[@120downunder]

Awesome vid mate 👍

[@TyFenwick]

Glad you enjoyed it mate 😁🤙🏼

[@120downunder]

@@TyFenwick Loved it, can’t wait for my raptor to come

[@earthb67]

What sort of linkage is that at 2:58 ish? Also, what towing mirrors do you recommend for the Gen2 Raptor?

[@TyFenwick]

It’s a DO-35 off-road hitch. With raptor what ever your towing will be small so I don’t think oversized mirrors are necessary.

[@earthb67]

@@TyFenwick Cheers mate.

[@baumie461]

Wonder if they can do a GVM upgrade?.....I'm still thinking the 150 for me, although if the Raptor came with the right numbers ie 3500kg gvm and 7t gcm, I'd definitely consider it. 👍

[@TyFenwick]

There’s always a compromise with suspension unfortunately. With a GVM upgrade you’ll ruin what the suspension is designed for. I’d go F150 if you going to tow over 2.5t 👍🏼

[@baumie461]

@@TyFenwick Hey what are you doing with your F250 mate?

[@poodletarmac3274]

New Raptor can't tow that caravan legally I think. Raptor gen 2 kerb weight is 2431kg, GVM 3130kg and GCM is 5370kg. So if your caravan is 2500kg and you fully load the Raptor you are overweight by 260kg. So if you put a 2500kg van on the back, you can only add 439kg to the raptor, so two people and fuel and you don't have much to spare or have I got this wrong?

[@poodletarmac3274]

Hi Ty, Would really appreciate a reply to this comment, am I wrong? As I think your viewers need to know about this stuff. Many viewers will be thinking off adding a bull bar, lights, roof rack, two way radio, bigger wheels and tyres and god knows what other accessories and maybe a dual battery system and unless I'm wrong they will be seriously over weight and illegal and uninsured in case of an accident?

[@striff]

Not sure about other states but in QLD it goes by actual weights. So my Hybrid camper is rated to 2500kg. But it's current weight fully loaded around is 1940kg. The tow ball down weight is 180kg. Adding 400Kg to the Raptor (two adults, one child and some other crap) it leaves me with the following: (GVM for Raptor Gen 2 is 3130KG and GCM is 5371) - 599 kg left of GCM - 560 kg left for ATM - 119 KG left for GVM So the limiting factor is the GVM for me, so as long as I don't load the car to the max it's fine and legal

[@TyFenwick]

It can tow 2.5t legally but you need to subtract your down ball weight from your vehicles payload. And what ever payload you have left is what you have left then add people/gear etc.

[@knuckledustaz]

Old mate needs to stop being a boomer. Get a gvm upgrade or buy a f15O

[@epskiii77]

Solid review mate cheers. August 2023 can’t come soon enough for my raptor 🤣🤣🤣 I’m considering a utemaster lid with the destroyer rails and window protector rail. What mods are you thinking of other than the cast pan and bov Ty?

[@TyFenwick]

I’ve got a few things planned for mine, it’s suppose to be here February. But yes pan and I’d like to get all aluminum pipe work done bigger intercooler etc. I’m still deciding on other things. I have the F250 for camping and touring so this will be my fun weekend rig.

[@epskiii77]

@@TyFenwick keen to see it throughout the channel mate. Keep up the great work 🤙🏻

[@trevormclaughlin269]

My Ute Master Loadlid is up for sale. Cheers Trev

[@mruselescrapytwit3037]

Interesting that they say no special requirements for towing in the mark 1 as standard when you have trailer sway control on the right hand steering wheel buttons menus. It is automatically on when enabled in the ECU ie on a standard factory towbar install and the hand book states you should select sport from the terrain management.

[@mattycostar]

Great video Ty, thanks

[@TyFenwick]

Thanks Matty 😎

[@michaelwright8834]

Great test mate, would you do a comparison test between a next raptor vs wildtrak tow test?

[@TyFenwick]

Depends what I can get off Ford mate. I’d love a wildtrak to test and make videos with.

[@myevilrabbitgames]

When I look up the ranger it has different headlights. It has the lariat headlights not raptor headlights, how does his raptor have lariat headlights?

[@TyFenwick]

The white one is a first gen ranger raptor ? Red one is second gen ranger raptor. Ford changed the design.

[@TRMN8R03]

My Ranger Raptor in USA has drive mode towing mode option

[@TyFenwick]

Could be updates mate since this video was done 👍🏼

[@simo-dv5xk]

I would love one but in reality how reliable are these raptors compared to Hilux and Land Cruisers?

[@TyFenwick]

I’d go a raptor over Toyota any day

[@robinindam6983]

Beautiful car in the world 🌎

[@-Magus]

Maybe I missed it, what's the towing capacity of both Rangers? In the US the Ranger can tow 7500lbs with the 2.3.

[@TyFenwick]

2.5t in Australia

[@maxi5784]

What was the ball weight on the vehicle? Maybe I missed it in the video…thanks

[@TyFenwick]

120kg from memory

[@sealoftheliving4998]

My Imagination Pickup Truck😄😄😄😄😄

[@mclongkock6678]

None of the raptors have more nm than that 200 series landcruiser. They are rated at 650nm stock. The raptors has more nm than the single turbo 70s series landcruiser yes. Get your fact right, especially when you doing a car show. That 200 will leave you guys in the dust when it comes to towing.

[@TyFenwick]

Don’t take life so serious mate 🤣 yes trev got it wrong. No one’s perfect but I’d still rather raptor over a 200. Leaving it in the dust I highly doubt that !

[@trickster8635]

What was the fuel consumption?

[@TyFenwick]

14.7 in Next gen AVERAGE 14.0 in First gen AVERAGE Driving around 1 hour with each

[@007oli]

Just wish they made with a higher gvm/gcm with similar suspension.

[@TyFenwick]

There’s always a compromise mate unfortunately. Based on the weight of the vehicle to stiff of spring and the vehicle will be out side the shocks ride zone. To light and clearly it won’t carry a load or support the weight of the vehicle. And unfortunately I don’t think there’s enough in a variable designed spring to combat both goals of heavy weight carrying and the extremely good off road ability. But technology and engineering keeps moving forward so il be keen to see where it goes in the future.

[@007oli]

@@TyFenwick I agree with what you say. For my personal needs it just wouldn't work, set aside the gvm, towing etc it's the ultimate ute!

[@dannyrexknight]

Frothing to get mine in March.....

[@darrensmith4661]

Wholesale Automatic Transmissions for the pan replacement.

[@adamhuglo111]

More interested in F150 GVM upgraded. 4tn?

[@TyFenwick]

Just buy a F250 ?

[@benthatcher2220]

The gen 1 has more NM’s than a 200 series? Am I missing something? Has this gen 1 raptor had 30k spent on the engine?? 🤨

[@TyFenwick]

Yep it’s got a coyote V8 lol

[@knuckledustaz]

This statement mad me lose the love man. I’m a Ford guy but you gotta know when the big dog has got you, know what I would prefer to tow with, 2OO smokes the 1st gen no contest

[@benthatcher2220]

@@TyFenwick tuned coyote I’m assuming? Stock coyote in a mustang for example doesn’t have more NMs 🤙

[@richardwalsh5570]

How many L/100 and how did the 10 speed go?

[@TyFenwick]

14 per 100, and 10 speed went great.

[@dbjury]

Were the air bags used in the first gen? They would ruin the ride

[@TyFenwick]

No it’s been pretty good 👍🏼

[@jacobenglish6408]

More torque than the 200? Haha put them on a dyno! plus the cruisers peak torque is down low where you need it most when towing

[@TyFenwick]

Cruiser 445NM @3400RPM Raptor 500NM @1750RPM

[@knuckledustaz]

Ok line them up, no question the 2OO eats the 1st gen. If tuned tune both it gets worse

[@paradoxparadise5275]

This Gen 1 sounds different from the one I have

[@gumtree7177]

Where do people buy raptor gen 2 record low drive away price NSW

[@TyFenwick]

At the moment you’ll be paying full price maté unfortunately

[@tersy9862]

Love how people think petrols can't tow.

[@reeceealy577]

What kind of gas mileage are you getting?

[@TyFenwick]

With 35s on my new one I’m getting 14L per 100

[@youtubevanced4900]

Everyone that bought that first gen Raptor is feeling massive regret ever since the V6 model came out.

[@TyFenwick]

I feel like they both have their place

[@dbjury]

Shame about tow ratings based on a silly weight rule of 10% of down weight on ball. Its an excessive rule. Would tow 3 all day

[@TyFenwick]

The spring rate in the vehicle is to hold up the vehicle in a safe manner, add on its pay load etc. Unfortunately the suspension design in Raptor is not meant to carry big weight other wise it can’t be so capable off-road and have that awesome suspension travel. If you added a heavier spring rate to it the back of the vehicle would sit so high and take the shock piston out on the “ride zone”. There’s always a compromise either one way or the other. The only way to possibly fix that is technical advancements in shock technology or spring technology possibly a magnetic fluid style shock etc. Why we have leaf spring rangers also for the weight carrying ability. There’s always a compromise.

[@curtisthomas469]

The Elephant in the room is fuel figures

[@TyFenwick]

14.7 on the next gen

[@MadMax351]

👍👍

[@adamhuglo111]

Thats your standard Vegemite and Toast.

[@melbguy9274]

Make your mind... you said at the start you can feel the tow and now at the end you say you can't.. make your mind

[@TyFenwick]

“Make your mind” School wasn’t your strong point was it 😂😂😂

[@mradventure3566]

Load it all up then do a test

[@brettleonard8602]

I liked the new design at first but the more I see of them the more I like the last front end design better. Let's not kid ourselves they're basically the same car if you look past the sales pitch

[@TyFenwick]

Mate, absolutely not the same car ! If you haven’t driven both then you won’t understand how good the new one is. I’m not here to “sell” anything, I don’t work for Ford 😂 But drive the new one before making a decision.

[@brettleonard8602]

@@TyFenwick leaf sprung rear in... it's practically 2023.. leaf spring first used on horse and cart.. over 100 years ago.. that's some awesome progress..

[@tcmx712]

@@brettleonard8602 they've got coils in the rear

[@brettleonard8602]

@@tcmx712 the raptor only

[@Isaac.Reuben]

@@brettleonard8602 the hell are you on about? My dad has the first gen and I’ve tested the second gen and they are completely different vehicles. The new Ranger Raptor has so much power and the suspension is something else. Go and drive both before posting useless information.

[@newport5504]

2.5T that’s crap , would kill the market for a lot of caravan drivers

[@wizzylizzy69]

More nm then a 200? No. So much no.

[@TyFenwick]

Maybe trev was thinking about another vehicle 😄