A Conversation on Sex, Dating, and Beauty with The Azonwus

Ezekiel & Kiyanna Azonwu have been married for 15+ years, and in this episode they talk with the Perrys about things like attraction, discerning who to pursue romantically, maintaining intimacy in marriage, and flourishing in Christian community. Did they get married too young? Is it okay to care about aesthetics? Would better discipleship in the church lead to healthier marriage relationships? Together, the Azonwus and the Perrys tackle these and many more questions about sex, dating and beauty.
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[@alisanina]

If a woman gets MORE beautiful within a marriage, her husband/marriage has created a wonderful environment/life for her to bloom

[@KelahCash]

Oh I love how you phrased that. Amen. How beautiful 🌸🏵

[@carlamatthewbsbmpm2247]

That's word right there!

[@fruitsarelife7073]

Yes and those that look tired, depressed, less taken care of are in abusive marriages.

[@keisha5184]

periooddd!!!

[@Almondcrossiants]

@@carlamatthewbsbmpm2247eee

[@AshleyyRenee]

Can we all agree that The Perry's & the Azonwus are our cool big cousins.

[@ikselxzy8533]

Facts 💯💯

[@ShamirYukno]

Not me feeling old cause I consider them my little cousins. 😂

[@fearless0122]

FACTS 💯❤️ 🇳🇦

[@surpriselebogang]

Honestly 😂❤️

[@Missp99]

Yessss

[@son_shine247]

I think part of the issue missing from the convo about sex in marriage is that men can often use sex as a stress as reliever or a coping mechanism for life issues masking as having a “higher sex drive” than their partner. Men need to be honest about that. Hence the need for more self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and therapy. Women’s bodies are not tools. Sexual intimacy is a source for connection, reproduction, and more. So let’s bring this fact into the convo too because it’s def overlooked.

[@mjackson11]

Amen!

[@Chosen2healbyGod101]

Absolutely 💯

[@sharongilbert8683]

You said it right!🤗📝

[@timbawangu3038]

Once!!

[@valariebrooks5667]

Great point

[@128lilcountry]

I stopped dating and put my focus on God for two years. I met my husband on Christmas Eve in a game, on my phone, called Words For Friends and we will be married for seven years in December. GOD IS AMAZING! You can't put limits on God. He can do the impossible!!! 👐🏾☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽☝🏽❤❤❤❤

[@marshajean-mary2984]

😮😮😮😮

[@RearviewWisdom]

She said …in a GAME. I’m just done. I love these types of stories. Because it shows us as women that being true to ourselves, our likes , hobbies and interests is part of the journey. We get so side tracked in the wait sometimes we give ourselves over to depression and lose motivation for LIFE. Nah, keep LIVING.

[@Jasmine-qw7tj]

Wow!!! That is amazing!! Congratulations 🎊 God is so good!!

[@iamerind]

Beautiful, beautiful!

[@ogechukwuokpala9607]

​@RearviewWisdom this comment is everything, thank you ❤

[@MooreCry]

The set looks like it smells like coco butter 🤣🤣

[@clhope3075]

It does any jojoba oil 😂😊

[@MrColes123]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ayooooo

[@TalayshaRoss]

Right 😂😂

[@Ol1v1as_world]

And some incense somewhere 😂

[@constancegarrett7582]

I Usé SUMPTN ELSE THO AT AGE 73 & Folk Say I Look AGE, "42 ... ! ! !" *** *** *** KEEP PEACE WITHIN * * *

[@denisahshonte]

Preston: “We is children of God. We cannot let the devil win”. 🤦🏾‍♀️😂

[@deliveredanointed]

Was looking for this comment. I bust out laughing 😂

[@Elishea001]

Preston: “You don’t feel challenged?”

[@It.is.I-tx6ri]

He was in the spirit 😂

[@daniellemejia9643]

saidd we can go to warrr!!! im cryinggg

[@catrishaaugustin7580]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 I’m crying real tears

[@fromarianiewithlove]

"Teach young men and women to be brothers and sisters in Christ!" PRRRREEEEEAAAAACCCHHHHH!

[@KatrinaRay-y6n]

"Falling and going back, hurts more and cost more." Ezekiel, That's sooo good!!!!

[@jdove1392]

Brought tears to my eyes when Ezekiel said "God is so good, that it's his grace, his distinct unique grace that he put in a vessel that was designed for me." SO BEAUTIFUL

[@nompilosibiya8373]

I meaaannnnnnnnnnn💥💥💥💥

[@CristalILY]

I think the video playing mid church was God saying people see you praising me loudly but I see what you do in secret 🙃

[@TahcoShell]

😭

[@zachwinston9384]

Mannnnnnnnmm this the one!!!

[@cget]

They asked Kiyanna how she was able to deal with Ezekiel's struggles, and in answering that she took accountability in how she didn't help him with it. That is true love man

[@cerisue15]

I love the husbands talking about the attractiveness of their wives

[@MsJennDefinerofSelf]

Because men are given the excuse to be visual, that part of the conversation is extremely typical.

[@gintoki_sakata__]

​@@MsJennDefinerofSelfand you're so above it.. You go girl

[@Call-on-Jesus-Christ]

You single?

[@ReaBaloyi]

It hits Preston all the damn time that his wife can actually preach!😂 what a blessed guy

[@erikk2687]

You have a new subscriber, are you going to post more vids?

[@adriennedyke]

"God will often give you a partner that has what you don't have and has what you need." - JHP. Yes. ❤‍🔥

[@abidedbloomer]

Jackie put him on Blast immediately !! Omg 😭

[@timbawangu3038]

Talk about 'icebreaker' 😂😂😂😂

[@fromarianiewithlove]

​@@timbawangu3038 it was an ice demolisher 😂

[@Lifewithchrist__]

Definitely broke the ice lolllll

[@quanb3ll]

Cause she was ready, Jackie has no filter on certain things "progressive filter" I should say. She said let's swing the door open😅😅

[@cynthiahillian]

Filters are helpful....

[@dianaturner27]

I love this because even though Jackie rip the Band-Aid off and tell Ezekiel to tell his story, you can tell by their laughter and the way they can talk about it is there's full deliverance. There's no shame because he knows that he's been delivered, that's the only way you can talk about something so clearly.. .. God is so good with his grace and his Mercy

[@jpoindexter6967]

Jackieeeee the skin is skinnninnnng

[@youmatter2god552]

Not skinning 😆😂but yeah it is🔥💯

[@carolfrazier5107]

I agree! Jackie is a natural beauty! 🔥

[@SheenaMarie05]

Definitely! 🙂🤎

[@mocheney21]

Being a single woman hoping to be a wife one day I am grateful to God for these types of videos. We need more married couples having these types of talks on social media and giving good advice to people who are either married or looking to get married. I realize that there are so many single people who don’t know what it means to be a wife or husband or what submission in marriage really is. I think the reason is because they are getting advice from loud and wrong people on the internet. Thank you for giving people the tools and advice that you did not get so that they can be successful in their marriage or future marriage.

[@andrewalexis7467]

We canNOT let the devil WIN😭😭

[@jivana24]

I was in tears 😂😂😂

[@ShamirYukno]

I agreed with the comment b4 I heard Preston and now I'm 😂😂😂😂😂!!! 51:53 52:25

[@rubylekoko8440]

😂😂😂

[@zoesumner9723]

We Cannot !!!😂😂😂

[@MiquelDancy]

😂😂😂😂

[@son_shine247]

Not Jackie calling out Ezekiel to tell his story 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@miracleinthemirror]

Right?! Off rip!!!!😅

[@utamu777]

Haha that was wild. But I won't lie, I was about to fast forward through the first part of the interview until Jackie said that 😂

[@son_shine247]

@@utamu777 😄😄

[@dianaturner27]

Jackie pull that tape right off...like.. let's get down to the gritty 🤣😭😭😭😭

[@quanb3ll]

She stands on business with a testimonial. I was like 👁👄👁

[@deej3829]

“Beauty isn’t the problem. Our hearts are!”

[@paul_kariuki]

i think any young person looking forward to getting married should go through school with the Perrys.

[@ogechukwuokpala9607]

100% agree with this statement

[@jniyalhand]

They need to do a mentorship or something 🤣🫶🏼

[@paul_kariuki]

@@jniyalhand ikr.

[@Fierclyfabulous]

I think they should be plugged in to their local church and meet with married couples there… do life together

[@paul_kariuki]

@@Fierclyfabulous I agree with you. However, one does not take away from the other. The administration of the gifts of the Christ brings edification to the body of Christ.

[@TheVersatilitiesOfJayyy]

Preston is so SILLY FOR THAT! "We can't let the devil win... you don't feel challenged" it was then I started crying with laughter LOOOOL! Such a good episode, was an episode we didn't know we needed

[@jadorejoiexo]

Was looking for this comment - i was cryinnngggg LOOOL

[@chitsanzokatholowamo459]

That part was so hilarious 😂 , I repeated it a couple of times

[@yshstar]

32:36 “There are so many trials and tests in marriage, in relationships where the aesthetic won’t matter when we’re going through something. What will sustain us is your character, your walk and intimacy with God.” Jackie P.

[@kategeesey8321]

“Conversation and time is just slow discernment.” 🔥🔥🔥

[@swedmerson90]

"I'm being serious too" "You don't feel challenged" 😂 Preston is too much! It don't take but a little for him, the way he has the hots for his wife and she blushes everytime its so adorable. This was a great conversation. When I was married I did withhold sex as punishment but it was also because I noticed a pattern in my husband where he was spiritually and emotionally "dumping" inside of me and it was a transferring of energy. So no when you had a bad day at work I don't want you to blow my back out because then you feel better and now I feel like crap. When instead we could've prayed about it together or something else. I just got tired of feeling like a dumpster and I had nowhere to place my worries, fears, or things that frustrated me. I was going to God double time because I was carrying his burdens and mine but he wasn't going to the cross on my behalf. I would have rather us war together through prayer and also in the bedroom.

[@ashtonpatrice6137]

This is good stuff.

[@gintoki_sakata__]

It's a miracle he stayed

[@monetismymiddlename]

The first 10 mins of this video has me SCREAMING 😂 please keep the Azonwus in frequent rotation 😭

[@Kenya-s7g]

Not “put the pipe down” no pun intended nooo Jackie 😩

[@MaryMcke]

I LITERALLY was about to look up scriptures on EVERY topic on this video description, smh... And then this pops up on my feed... So this is about to bless me I believe... Thank you Lord.

[@RHLover]

Still look up those scriptures 🫶🏾

[@iamerind]

@@RHLoveryour amazing for this!

[@itsmejean4761]

Preston clapping is crazyyy 😭😭

[@chenanigans]

Diabolical 😭😭😭

[@EVenturapurple]

Facts😂😂😂

[@daniellestephenson8077]

Ezekiel story was giving “Imma see for myself” 😂 thank God for deliverance ❤

[@tishstripletsthenewadditio575]

That is so true. When I was abstaining for years & when I allowed the flesh to win, it totally discussed me. I went right back to abstaining & what a great feeling to stay strong & free from sex.

[@hhm9609]

So true. (I think you meant to type @disgusted”)

[@iamerind]

I can relate, when I let flesh win it felt like I went back further than I started 😭 never again.

[@tishstripletsthenewadditio575]

@@hhm9609 Thank you

[@AnastasiaMonet]

He said with Jackie and her 19000 books and she said it's only 4 😂😂

[@11nace]

Lol

[@sugarplum019]

lmaoooo they are funny! and wise I enjoy it God bless them

[@BeingVulnerable]

I LITERALLY DONT KNOW ANYBODY ELSE WHO TALKS LIKE THIS... where are these kinds of ppl, this is so real and honest! I need this community!

[@charniecearielle]

Not me smiling all hard listening to Ezekiel and Kiyanna’s love story 😆 lol

[@Mindsetolympics]

28:33 EVERY SERIOUS MAN OF GOD SAYS THIS ❤ his wife gets more beautiful over time🎉

[@moneakarrington]

That had me cheesing 😂

[@tomiwatoye1438]

Pheeew!! Already commenting 30 secs into the video because Jackie just said all I’ve have been trying to say for the longest time. We need to dial back on this new teaching in churches of “women you need to make yourself available, you need to position yourself, you need to, you need to”…etc! We should first of all focus on God and His instructions for your life, and in turn, He (GOD) will reveal to you places you need to be available and what “positioning” looks like for YOU. My dear sisters, don’t get pressured with the message of “position yourself”. So much balance in what Jackie said and I love it!!❤

[@TheMotoChick9]

I prayed so hard to have a boyfriend and someone show me love since I was feeling so lonely. I put the work in to fix myself from the trauma I had experienced that trapped me into not deserving love. This year has been my yes year for going out and trying new things. I went out to the golf range with my friend not having showered for like 4 days, no makeup, stanky and ended up meeting an amazing guy who loves me for who I am. So much pressure going on dates in my past trying to dress and present myself as perfect. Gods timing is something else 😂

[@janeesimone]

Guess I’m going to the golf range now

[@toonnaobi-okoye2949]

Don’t forget the not showering for 4 days etc 😅

[@israel8803]

Can I ask why you didn’t shower for four days? Was it intentional?

[@ichieholysauce5774]

@@israel8803 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

[@monicawanjikumwaura6689]

Not showering for 4 days is wiiiild 😂😂😂

[@superhooper425]

Th convo about attraction is so necessary. I agree with Ki that liking someone who looks like you is natural and normal but to say specifically you don’t want the very look that you have is very telling of some deeper issues. Attractions are shaped, as a teacher I monitor so much of what we watch and I have seen how my little kids began to prefer vanilla skin because that is who you see on your favorite shows. I have been on a mission since to find brown people who do educational videos. That’s just an example of how biases are formed.

[@ShamirYukno]

7 times worse is no joke!!! Help us stay delivered Holy Spirit! 🙏🏽

[@kgalizero7553]

Thank you for this podcast. This episode especially. I'm a 19 year old male. I used to identify as bisexual and God saved me from that. Coming into a church space (in university) has been so awkward for me especially where I see so many young Christians dating and Sinning in a heterosexual manner and it is accepted. I've just had so much insecurity when it came to dating because I'm generally not attracted to most women (especially sexually)and I've been asked about it a lot. It's just been a prayer in my heart. I want a relationship but I don't know with who because I haven’t connected with anyone. I partially think it's out of fear but I don't know. I have a lot of sisters in christ that build me up and vice versa and I'm always questioned as to why I'm not in a relationship with any of them, what Mr Azonwu said about treating your sisters in Christ well without the expectation of marriage has just affirmed me that I'm on the right path. I'm South African by the way. May the Lord continue to bless you all 🙏🏾

[@Mainni12]

O my goodness, literally a South African as well and varsity is such a difficult place for me as well because not a lot of people share the same values as myself and makes really difficult just to interact with people

[@una19]

Well, just keep praying for God to purify your eyes, heart and mind and to also guide you. Don't rush anything because it will happen on God's timing. Just focus on yourself, study the word and surround yourself with things and friendships that are Godly. Everything will fall into place, don't be presuured by anything.

[@kgalizero7553]

​@@Mainni12 I urge you to value quality over quantity. Having a few good friends versus a lot of mediocre ones is best. But yeah, living in SA is an experience 😂

[@kgalizero7553]

​@@una19 Thank you. I have been praying about it and the Lord has made me realise that I've been very impatient with Him and His process. After all, He's not repairing me, He's making a new me, the one that He always intended for me to be. So I've just decided not to ficus on the romance stuff right now cause you can't deive a car that's in construction. Also being taught that being disappointed by Christtians is something one should expect, we're human beings after all and we all deserve grace 🙏🏾

[@una19]

@@kgalizero7553 Glad it's working out.Always remember it's a learning process,embrace it and be patient with yourself as well

[@PFaith99]

This was the most chill, laid back, serious/unserious episode 😂😂 I laughed but also received conviction and some good gems to jot down

[@cwood197]

33:14 “beauty or being handsome is not going to sustain a marriage”

[@yurifiest23]

What a great vid. I love how God puts 2 ppl together n they balance each other. My marriage started as 2 unbelievers then I became a believer n it was not easy to be patient and sit back have faith in Christ that He would work on my husband's heart. Sure enough now we are both born again, loving the Lord errday. Lol The sex life changed but it was my husband who wasn't as active as I was loll...little did I know it was God's perfect plan to work on me!! I had a problem, I relied on sex for confirmation, validation etc. God was working on me to rely only on Him! After 10+ yrs we are on the same page. God is so good on everything He does!

[@melakim_4580]

When Jackie talked about smoking after being saved it really resonated with me, I grew up in church but only attended to be a good daughter, I was the golden child in peoples faces then did whatever I wanted in private Cus no one suspected me, even after I encountered the lord I kept smoking but I began to always feel tormented when I did I would always feel highly anxious and hear voices that sounded like people arguing, It was almost never a good experience but I just wouldn’t stop, I continued for a bout a year, I would smoke vapes too and would never take anyone seriously that warned me against it as I couldn’t find anything in the bible that explicitly warned against it. at first I threw away all my grinders and papers but after a while I started university and had more freedom than ever and would smoke a lot with friends, it still was an anxious experience but I wouldn’t stop, like Jackie I would smoke whenever anxious bored or upset, it would “heighten” my creativity, but also my anxiety. It felt almost like routine like I had to. Even if I didn’t want to. It took me a while to stop and I jumped around with how often I’d do it, I’d limit myself and stopped vapes but picked up cigarettes, really and truly I was only smoking to distract myself from feeling, I was emotionally mature for other people but totally emotionally irresponsible with myself and used smoking to help me bypass my feelings even more. as of now I haven’t smoked in about a month and a half and this is the longest I’ve gone in the last 2 years, Thank you God

[@dejanasnaturalway]

I’ve been wanting to find another podcast to watch/listen to. I just clicked on this 5 minutes ago and subscribe. To listen to a podcast with black people who also talk about God, relationships is amazingggg im excited to binge watch these videos ❤ as a 22 year old who isn’t dating. Working on me and becoming the best version of myself. I’d hope to meet my husband and be healed!

[@jasn5681]

“conversation and time is slow discernment” so good!

[@wey24]

Jackie set herself up with that warfare comment 😂😂😂

[@_risingphoenix]

"You shooshed the Lord!" 😂😂😂😂

[@HereComesTheSonASL]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Yes

[@khosipenelope5731]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@LaKymana]

This conversation is what I needed to hear. Falling after deliverance lets us know that the devil never gives up and comes back with his seven times worse to trap us. It lets us know that freedom is continual need to stay close to God.

[@berean716]

The amount of laughter here and wisdom just shows what is inside each of you and the maturity and depth you all have in your relationship with God and with each other. May many of us have such great relationships

[@user-sp3ue3mg6m]

This was soo good!! I hope my husband (when he comes) is listening to conversations/podcasts like this!! So insightful

[@HereComesTheSonASL]

Yes, ma'am! I agree! 👏🏾👏🏾

[@CristalILY]

THE HOLY SPIRIT SPOKE LOUD in this podcast 🕊️♥️✨

[@aliceandappetizers]

Thank you for talking about the consequences of backsliding . I’m in a moment where I backslide and it’s been an uphill battle trying to regain the peace I had before. I’m still praying that God strengthens me through the consequences

[@mzblueful]

Jackie's face when Preston said vasectomy 😂😂😂

[@ashleysaffluence]

Oh my gosh 🤣 the way I am rollin’ over the crack head analogy. I use that analogy all the time but it’s the best way for people to understand the breaking of bad habits.

[@suziesmith9076]

I listened to on apple already and it was sooooo good can you have them again please? It’ll be great to know how specifically u guys overcame things like intimacy expectations and wanting to divorce etc what practical steps I can take to help. Also regaining friendship in marriage when it’s lost etc

[@Jenrow153]

I have a friend that loves God and really struggles with porn and masturbation. The way Ezekiel gave that revelation at the beginning of the video was completely mind blowing 🤯 🤯 Like wow!!

[@JustUdoro]

When you have to “shhhhhhhush” God…you know it was the Holy Spirit stepping in to speak to you. My goodness…

[@TeondraIvaree]

You can’t afford to slip up because of the mercy that was poured out….that part! How could you take THAT for granted??

[@xtelfolaj]

25:06 "she said everybody before her was mid" "they were" 😂😂😂

[@karolburke9397]

What does "mid" mean/ stand for? I want in on the joke but I don't get it 😅 (I'm not American kinda lost here)

[@glamour6810]

@@karolburke9397 mid in this context means average or mediocre

[@karolburke9397]

Okay gat cha 👍🏾 thanks lol

[@princeizrael9554]

The Perry’s and the Azonwus a pod we DID know that we needed.

[@alyssasamuel4]

Amen to the part about the belief that we can’t manufacture God’s will! God is sovereign and will control when you meet your spouse 🙌🏾 You can go out and be everywhere and still not meet your spouse until His timing ⏱️ I loved the Dunkin Doughnuts analogy 😂

[@ruth-uy9hb]

The humor in the beginning really helped me make a shift in my own life. Thank you for your honesty, sincerity, and joy in sharing how God has worked in your lives.

[@EbsEbsReg]

Loved this episode. However, I would like my husband to be physically attracted to me from the first time he meets me. And as he gets to know me, become attracted to my personality etc. I think physically attraction is quite important.

[@MsJennDefinerofSelf]

But as women we are encouraged to be attracted to the internal first. Physique changes

[@LadyHunt91]

I think it’s also important. From experience, sometimes the man who u ain’t super attracted to physically can woo u with his personality and the way her treats u. I fell more attracted to my husband the more I got to know him. Literally, One day I woke up and looked at him and was like wow he is soooo attractive in all ways. Thank God for this blessing of meeting and our union before God every day. Trust me u never know when/how u gon meet your future spouse. Just focus on u and getting close to God and being the woman of ur dreams , while God continues to put yall on each others path towards each other.

[@MsJennDefinerofSelf]

@@LadyHunt91, were you unattracted to him physically? Did that affect your ability to desire him sexually?

[@LadyHunt91]

@@MsJennDefinerofSelfI was attracted to him physically, he just wasn’t initially the type of man I was attracted to. If that makes sense

[@MsJennDefinerofSelf]

@@LadyHunt91, I understand, just never experienced this. I typically have the opposite issue- attracted to the internal and the external is a struggle. I think encouraging women to overlook physical attraction is unfair. Your story is sweet by the way. Thank you for answering my question.

[@adrnprod]

This was such an AMAZING MERCIFUL listen!! Such an anointed message for those even dating or in singleness! I’m 26 now and finally the Lord has humbled me to stop seeking a wife, and seek the Lord! & all things will follow if aligned with His Will! 🙏🏽

[@emagorku]

God I love that You are Sovereign ❤

[@jericamcbride3659]

We were taught to look at each other as brothers and sisters in Christ. I teach my nephews that now. My late husband and I gave them purity rings.

[@jasminelanett1]

This is very insightful and fun to listen to. The part where Jackie said there’s not in our control how we’ll meet our partner was a highlight for me because I just don’t agree with all the motion that singles should go out more often and join this and that with the sole purpose to meet someone. I think it will happen in God’s timing and just hearing someone say that is reassuring. Also picked up a lot of wisdom that’s good to know as a single preparing to get married. Thanks you all, ❤

[@andrewkimani5471]

What a beautifully SPIRIT-filled conversation, brutally honest in a clean, edifying way! GOD bless you all!

[@dguitroman]

The Perry's are a blessing to our generation! The rawness and realness of life of a believer. So good ❤

[@chiramcbeth]

This conversation was so real. I loved it. You guys make it so comfortable to talk about the uncomfortable and how we can be ok with not being perfect but being able to normalize that you need to go to God for the help you need.

[@alyjahflakes]

Saving this for my long run on Saturday.. With ads it’s gonna give me at least 80 minutes of run time.

[@victornwoke-07]

Ezekiel pursued his wife like a true Nigerian. As it should be! Without a shadow of doubt, she knew he was interested.

[@Halimaloves]

6:13 "Aint no way, i was really loud with my praise" Man you got me Cacklinnn 😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣

[@NinaRicciBezuidenhout]

The conviction while watching this is insane. God Bless y'all ❤❤

[@JustLouns]

Not the look of worry on Jackie’s face lol 😂 as Preston talk about his attraction to her.

[@svlrji]

I thought she looked a little uncomfortable too lol

[@charellemcneal7326]

😮😮 I'm just blown away with all the golden nuggets of advice they gave out. This interview was such a blessing for me on a truly personal level God bless them love this

[@dieketsengrakgosi1570]

I remember Ezekiel telling this story when they came to South Africa for the We need to talk tour 😂😂😂

[@billiechildress5731]

Productive synergy in a marriage is so key to how you can see God’s hand on your union !

[@Islander463]

I am an unmarried woman, and i thoroughly enjoyed this podcast. Ya'll are so real. Such a relatable conversation

[@valerieh.1624]

I'm so happy to see you all together again. ❤❤ Jackie, how you described your experience when you smoked again. You explained my experience exactly. I said, "I hear YOU, GOD." Never again!!

[@jayvr3758]

Same! My last time smoking God convicted my heart and took the taste right then and there! Thank you Lord for deliverance!

[@nikitamayfield2700]

I love that God will tell you what to help your spouse with and what not to help your spouse with. Having that discernment is everything.

[@itsshantaatkins]

“Full of pride, tear it down”😂😂😂😂 love it

[@iwasnamedeli]

Over the last couple days of picking this video up and digesting the wisdom y'all have given, I just gotta say, y'all some beautiful black people. Thank you for the content and being so vulnerable, so a young brother (24) like me can learn from mistakes he has made and from his older siblings too. God bless and may Jesus keep us!

[@idoloveido]

I couldn't share this fast enough with my sister. I love seeing 2 powerful, authentic black couples be transparent, vulnerable, and unapologetically righteous!!

[@deborahkoumah7617]

Jackie saying for sure about Preston getting a gut was too funny🤣🤣

[@teedotel]

This was amazing! So much information. As an AA woman dating an African man, I would have loved if the Azonwu’s touched on the cultural dynamic.. but I’ll definitely be tuning into their podcast ❤

[@NIO623]

Ezekiel was raised in America. Its a different dynamic from dating a Nigerian from Nigeria. He is pretty much nman African American who was raised by Nigerian parents.

[@lyssad626]

Your LA show is sold out and I can’t believe I’m missing out on this. Please come back to Cali so that me and my husband can attend! We live y’all.

[@bettywright4338]

O my God this discussion was so powerful coming from you guys, I'm not married but I desire to be and I'm trusting God Almighty to bring that person into my life, keep me in your prayers 🙏

[@MzCrayKray]

I have gotten so many tools learning from couple like The Perrys and The Ozonwus. And that other couple you brang on.

[@Andreareneeb]

The set, the colors, the black skin, the outfits, the intelligence, the aesthetic is GIVINGGGG!!! 🔥🔥🔥😍😮‍💨 #FirstTimeWatcher

[@rozzya4881]

I literally love the honesty in this podcast

[@pocaplum]

Can I just say how much I love you guys and how much I appreciate how REAL y’all are keepin it!! 👏🏼😂 More of THIS!! The freedom that comes simply from hearing y’all share and be so honest is life giving! ❤🙌🏼

[@MzCrayKray]

I feel you about addiction. We all go through it. Like for example with food. I be like "I'm gonna start eating healthy. But after I eat this medium pizza by myself." 😩 Or "I'm halfway through the pizza and now I'm full. I should but I need to eat the rest because I don't want to waste this pizza because tomorrow I start my diet "

[@lovefelix1566]

True. My story

[@tsimpson9615]

Lol medium i I be like give me the family size real big back activity going on lol

[@yabidemissie7270]

Yes yes yes to this ! Food is where my mind went

[@theresajohnson4362]

Yep!!! I really been feeling convicted in this. I really God been telling me if I don’t start taking better care of his temple then I won’t have my blessings (a Godly man) Now I don’t think we should do things to “get” things but I do feel God convicting me in the area

[@mogomotsikhoza4130]

God is good. He hears us you know and we can talk to Him about anything. He never judges us but he is happy when we repent. Love you my Perrys❤

[@caribbeankpoplover]

One of the funniest With the Perry’s 😂😂 The Azonwus were truly a blessing 🙏🏾

[@Call-on-Jesus-Christ]

This podcast is a breath of fresh air. Didnt know that other people thought the same thanks for doing your work!❤

[@Nay-ji4zs]

Maybe because I'm plus size, but sometimes I feel like people in church can be fat phobic. When i got married I Expected, somwhat for the world to question my beauty and my husband's attraction towards me, but when the people at church did it it hurt more and made me question for years if my husband really wanted me and had me waiting for the ball to drop. Almost 15 years later we are still together but i still think about how people around me and in the church didn't believe that i deserved the kind of love that my husband has for me because of my size.

[@ninagrace-lee8323]

Validating you in this. Because I’ve personally heard my pastor use disparaging remarks towards big people, specifically Lizzo. Don’t listen to her music, so I had no real reason to be offended other than the fat phobic comments. Half the congregation is overweight or obese, so it really shines a light on how people secretly judge/discriminate. Very sad

[@actormiabible]

Validating you in this as well. Whew.

[@Lordpraisethe]

Crazy, I'm trying to gain weight

[@moviusministries6271]

This was really good, I'm gunna start listening to more of your pod Jackie; I love how well you did in American Gospel Christ Alone, I watch both docs all the time when I can