"A Tragic Decision" - The DEVASTATING Impact Of Choosing Sex Over Marriage

Cliffe Knechtle and Patrick Bet-David discuss the purpose of life, the value of family, and the importance of commitment, contrasting the lives of prominent figures who chose not to have children. Knechtle emphasizes the joys and challenges of marriage and parenting, highlighting the significance of finding security and purpose in Christ amidst life's uncertainties.
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[@eleanormaxwell721]

I never married as I never met anybody that I want to spend the rest of my life with. I also never gave birth to a child, but I adopted my daughter and fostered twins a boy and a girl who turn 21 this year. My parents also adopted my younger brother and sister. The best moments of my life watching those 5 children and knowing that they were put on a different path in life with God in their lives.

[@joycehalperin9562]

I am 69 and take care of my 47 year old handicapped adult son and I love my life!

[@davidpacific]

Now that's what you call real hard work. Most people think having normal kids is hard but it's totally different when you have a special needs child. I have a friend that's severely handicapped and we take him every weekend and it's a massive task. But it's definitely a huge blessing and a lot of fun.

[@shahzaibashraf5269]

Respect

[@edwinrodriguez9918]

Thank you for that! I have a 8 year old handicapped daughter and I truly love her and enjoy taking care of her. I have seen Jesus Christ in her unconditional love even with a disability. That is true success in my eyes.

[@renaissancepoet]

I'm a 60-year-old man who never wanted or had kids. The reasons are many and too long to explain, but my 2nd wife's oldest daughter from a prior marriage had a boy out of wedlock and the father was absent. At the age of 48, I basically became Riley's father. I raised him for six years before they moved, and it was the best job I ever had in my life! It broke my heart when they moved out of state, but we stayed in touch and have more of a traditional grandfather and grandson relationship now. Having Riley come into my life is absolutely one of the best things that has ever happened to me!

[@DTreatz]

"Absent father" You mean she *_CHOSE_* poorly

[@WriterandPhotographer]

My son was born when I was 49. It is a bit challenging at times to be nearly 70 and have a teen. Yet, I think it is an unequaled experience. Hope you get opportunities to see Riley.

[@Trustamania]

my step dgtr had a "happy accident" in 2013...I was 40 n nvr wanted kids...her little girl became my biggest joy n started calling me dad at age 3...she almost 11 n still does...I still don't know if I'd ever want kids( now at 50) but I don't regret having her in my life.....can't say the same about everyone else in that family😂

[@Dub636]

Sounds like the book Reilly's Luck by Louis L’Amour

[@beez991]

Im sure you nevwr made a bad choice 😂 sometimes people lie you know. ​@@DTreatz

[@karlstrauss2330]

Mike Rowe may not have kids of his own but he has helped millions of kids through his foundation teaching them about the trades.

[@jimdandy8996]

Mike Rowe doesn't have to justify anything to these guys.

[@DTreatz]

Problem is by not having kids we've lost those genes in the gene pool, which we need. And thats the biggest issue, the gene pool is sullied with low IQ, ill behaved, and degenerates.

[@sandyjuntunen4088]

@@jimdandy8996 they're not demanding that he should!

[@leonardogastmann6416]

He does have a son doesn’t he? He preaches with him at universities…

[@darbyohara]

Rowe is sort of a different case. If he had kids he likely wouldn’t be able to travel and work to spread his blue collar message. He can get some of the fatherly fulfillment from working with young men

[@john4075]

Had my son at 40. I admit i wasnt very enthusiastic during the 9 months. Day of delivery was pretty stressful. My wife tested positive for covid.i was locked down to the room and not permitted to be in the room for delivery. Finally, when my son was born and brought into the room i was waiting in, nurse put him in my arms. He opened his eyes for the fist time looking right thru me. It was surreal, like right out of a movie. 2.5 years later i can say, hands down,this is the greatest gift i've received in my life... nothing compares to what this has injected into my human spirit.

[@bilbabaobo]

Will you remain as cheerful if your son, after reaching the age of 18, lacks in the two departments which classify a man as a man and thereby becomes the opposite of what you envisioned for him? Due to being below 6 feet / 6 inches, more and more men fail to meet womens' expectations as to who they view as desireable which in turn forces men to become recluses.

[@john4075]

@bilbabaobo All I can do is be present and have as strong, stable, and loving influence on my son as a father that all children need. A father who will walk thru fire for their child is what my boy will get, and we'll let the chips fall where they may. Fortunately as well he is always in the 90 percentile for height on his check- ins for developmental milestones. Sorry that your life sucks so much, clearly devoid of meaning that you actually took the time to respond the way you did cause it disturbs your miserable existence.

[@dillondittemore1102]

I'm 30. My wife is in her second trimester with our first baby. Over the last 7 years of our relationship when people ask me what I want to do with my life I tell them I want a good paying job with reasonable hours so I can be the best father and support my future family. My generation of friends and family look at me dumbfounded when I say that as if it's a strange goal. I pray for the future of the world as they might not be very many humans.

[@Noah_527]

As someone 13 years past 30, that was me right before my first child. 3 children later I can assure you that your motivation and goals will bring you much happiness in life.

[@unknown-vo3di]

people are struggling to pay rent in the new generation. They do not have time to think about starting a family and having kids because their damn salary cant even support themselves.

[@eternalhigh05]

Being married is like having a calling on your life, not everyone is called to be married. Paul talks about it in the New testament.

[@MartinCPA]

Larry Elder did say on a podcast, one of his biggest regrets is not having kids.

[@extremepsyche3135]

Why can't he have them now? Actions speak louder than words.

[@MartinCPA]

@@extremepsyche3135 I personally think having a child at >60 is a HUGE disservice to that child. But, feel free to call in on his radio those and ask him.

[@packleader1215]

Herbalists have kids at an old age. It's still possible if he wanted to

[@jimdandy8996]

@@MartinCPA Why would that be a disservice?

[@DTreatz]

​@@jimdandy8996 Even for a man thats really risky because life expectancy and physicality Even if he had the physiology to live till 90, his physical ability to raise children actively will be hindered Men get an extension way longer but not _that_ long, we still gotta be careful

[@imout671]

We never wanted a child but after he was born we were so happy. I thank God he allowed me 1 child. I wish wed been able to have many more. Married too late

[@WriterandPhotographer]

Can empathize......married at 44; only child born at 49. Rarely see him unfortunately. That day he was born was joyful.

[@imout671]

@WriterandPhotographer they come and go at different ages and different stages. I see mine every day now because we started a business together a few years ago and he's married and settled so I'm really hoping for grandkids this year, lol. When I was estranged for a while in my 20s my grandparents would cook a big meal and invite me over. I think they did all that just to see me. We've done that a few times too. Just to see him and it usually works.

[@stoic_fathers]

There will be lots more time in paradise don't worry. Nothings lost

[@JoshC95]

My grandfather is 80 years old and I caught him watching PBD podcast on his smart TV. He’s a big fan lol

[@rebeccacarter1914]

I couldn’t have a child and it affected my life greatly in a negative way. I finally just had to accept it and move on. I wanted a baby with all my heart. Old age without children is so difficult.

[@tb54321]

Sorry for a long reply, but I do think these talking points attacking childless people are a bit out of touch. Most women I know who are in their 40s and childless and single are pained by it. They wanted that reality of marriage and family their entire lives. I’m one of them. I wanted a dozen kids and I wanted to homeschool them. But I never met anyone to marry. Because I’m a Christian, I didn’t believe in being a single mom. I believed if I was meant to be a mother, God would provide a husband to help be my partner. For me, without the husband, I felt it was wrong to pursue being a mother. I’m not judging others for going out on their own and adopting or choosing a donor, but for me, I never believed that was the right path. I chose God’s will over choosing to marry someone who wasn’t right. Looking back, it turned out some of those men came out as gay and others had major drug issues down the road, so I made the right choice. The men I dated were not right to marry. There is immense pain over the fact that I can’t be a mother and that I wasn’t good enough to find a good Christian man who would stand by me. That’s what I wanted for my life. Now I get shamed by people for being single and childless. Not only do I hurt because I never got to live the dream for my life, but now I am shamed over the fact that I didn’t meet a man I felt was a good God fearing man that I could build a life with. Should I have married a meth addict or a gay guy just to avoid being shamed? Just to have a baby? No. I did nothing wrong. I was never a beauty. I’m only moderately smart. And I am a strong conservative Christian. Not many men want those qualities in a woman. I’m not catch. I know that. But at least I didn’t compromise myself. I didn’t marry a non believer to just be married or have kids. I didn’t find a daddy donor just to force a baby into existence without a father and husband. Sometimes in life, the only alternative is being single and childless. But if God doesn’t provide that path, all I can do is trust he has a plan for me. And maybe the plan means dying alone, but luckily God will be with me in that too.

[@EHT2222]

@@tb54321don’t assume, I’m sure there’s more people than you’d expect that would love those qualities in a woman

[@castratedbob]

@@tb54321 Your still in a much better position than someone who 'partied' and lived a life of hedonism and immorality, just to end up with no partner and child. At least you have your virtue and dignity intact, that is increasingly rare these days.

[@vicente3j]

@@tb54321​​Hi, I’m sure my comments means little to your great expanse of KZbin recommendations and social media sound boxes, but I wanted to say that reading your comment was a bit sobering for me. I’m a 20 year old guy, raised in a loving Catholic family, and all I really want in my life is to be able to provide for my own family and for a spouse. But alas, it seems like women in this generation would rather go out to parties and clubs than sit down and make a commitment to one person. Sometimes my enthusiasm for this kind of life wanes, because it feels like I’m very alone in this desire for something beyond myself, and the alternative of just being totally uncaring about myself and my romantic episodes grows all the more preferable. I guess I just wanted to say that reading your comment gave me some encouragement. Because it would pain me to be a guy with this attitude towards raising a family, but then forego that desire because of a cynical attitude I developed as an adolescent. If it means one day a woman can experience that joy of raising a family, and avoid that situation you seem to find yourself in, it might be worth pushing past these feelings of loneliness and tiredness. The qualities you seem to own are definitely a catch, and I’m sad I haven’t met any girls who seem to embody them. I also find solace in that even if I die randomly on a Tuesday, at least God will be there with me. I hope though that at some point my enthusiasm returns for finding a spouse, and I can raise a family with her. I hope that you know you’re very much not alone in your singleness, as God loves you very very much.

[@nealgunderson7799]

I'm 57 years old. I never married and no children. I decided years ago that my mission in life was to take care of my elderly parents, who are 91 and 87. This decision has allowed them to live in their own home all this time.

[@orlandovega6958]

Who will look after you?

[@uglytruth21]

@@orlandovega6958you can tell he thought that same thing towards the end of his little paragraph 😂

[@jimdandy8996]

@@orlandovega6958 You think that if he had kids they would necessarily look after him? Give me a break.

[@jimdandy8996]

@@uglytruth21 I don't see where he was implying he thought that. Hardly anyone has kids who grow up to be so dedicated.

[@uglytruth21]

@@jimdandy8996 what did you say? If he took care of his parents his whole life he obviously didn’t reach his max potential in relationships or finances and will die alone in a nursing home cared for by strangers.

[@picodegallo1959]

I'm married for 13 years, have 2 kids. However, I got to the party later in life. Not to defend the position, BUT... I was terrible at dating until I met my wife. Then, everything worked out. There are people out there who are looking, but never find that match. They might not have the "Playboy" lifestyle, I wasn't, and just are unlucky. People told me I was immature, wanted to play around, and many other things, but I just couldn't find the right woman. Either it was 'no connection,' no spiritual/religious foundation, which for me is important, not meeting up on really important things. It was hard. I remember that on the first date, my now wife asked me what I wanted out of this date if it works out- I blurted out, "I want to see if you are the woman I'm supposed to be with, get married, and start a family." She said that she had never heard a man say that before. Rock solid since. Marriage and children are awesome.

[@patranney1561]

I have work with senior adults as a Realtor since 1979 and the people without children do not have anyone in their lives at end of life just loneliness.

[@jimdandy8996]

A lot of people with kids have the same loneliness. Which is worse?

[@beez991]

​​@@jimdandy8996true. I know people who have lost kids too.

[@facelessandnameless]

@@jimdandy8996Most people with kids don’t have that though. Whereas just about everyone without kids does.

[@patranney1561]

@@jimdandy8996 There are always exceptions but the majority of my clients with a good relationship with their children have amazing family. Building apartments and moving their parents in or finding a senior care facility near them.

[@davidwagner9644]

Do not get married. I was married 27 years (22 thru 49). You will never recoup the financial losses a divorce imposes on you. In just about ever state a marriage lasting 20 or more years alimony is permanent. My wx-wife gets $1,000 in welfare money each month from me for the rest of my life because a white knight in a black robe said so. I've been divorced 6 years now so that is $72,000 i am behind. Thankfully the 3 kids were adults when we got a divorce so no child support. She tried though, she wanted me to pay tell they were 21. For those curious what happened, Her high school sweetheart became a widdow. He was lonely, they contacted on facebook. It was on. Marriage is a government contract so dont do it men. It is hostile towards you. Do not listen to these tradcon simps.

[@angelsky6869]

She shouldn’t be getting alimony. That is outdated from a time when women weren’t allowed to work. I don’t understand why that’s still in place. Something needs to be done about this

[@angelsky6869]

There’s nothing wrong with marriage, it helps promotes devotion and monogamy where as the latter is just giving away sex without commitment. At the same time your ex shouldn’t be getting alimony. That is outdated from a time when women weren’t allowed to work. I don’t understand why that’s still in place. Something needs to be done about this. Being a bachelor shouldn’t be promoted it’s that those unfair and outdated laws need to change.

[@davidwagner9644]

@@angelsky6869 Only 40% of men in the history of the world have ever reproduced so the majority of men have never been married or reproduced. Monogamy is not that old of a concept. In the feudalism era only poor men had to be monogamous. Wealthy men could have as many wives as they could afford and some mistresses. The puritan view on marriage is like 400 years old, so rather young. Marriage is dead in the west. It is time people accept it. Young men have no interest in marriage, heck most have no interest in dating. In 1999, when todays 25 year old was boen the average house price was $161,000. Now the average house price is $419,000 so there is no way the average 25 year old can afford to get married, have kids and afford a house. As for a devotion, that is a laugher. In 2005 a study was commissioned. The study asked 10,000 married women their opinions on marriage. 72% of women said they would divorce their husband if they could financially afford to. 84% said they wished they married a different guy from their dating past. So devotion has never been high on a woman's list. It is what you can provide.

[@ShawnAR25]

I'm sorry to hear about this friend. Do your kids know the full story?

[@nicholasd7107]

@@davidwagner9644I’d be interested in those studies you mentioned. Can you provide a link or name to those studies?

[@hdiverson]

People projecting their beliefs on other people regarding children…I’ll never understand it. Mike Rowe has so much impact on the world without kids. Selfless dude.

[@orlandovega6958]

Oh like you just did?

[@DTreatz]

​@Wi2Low Not only that for most people ita the obly meaningful legacy they leave behind And more importantly, thr _good quality_ people not having kids hurts the *gene pool* , we have too many degenerates reproducing and not enough higher quality people reproducing

[@JJ-xy8ry]

My child has made me strive to be better in every aspect of my life

[@rockinroland0]

Having STABILITY is underrated nowadays.

[@RivIrie]

Zero mention of no-fault divorce or anything along those lines. The Apostle Paul said it was better to not marry. Super biased view here. You want behavior to change? Change the incentive structure through the laws. Divorce shouldn’t be incentivized for women.

[@acceleration1146]

Divorce is not a problem. Problem is the person you choose to marry. Don’t blame the system or outside sources on your failure.

[@extremepsyche3135]

@@acceleration1146 People change - who can predict what their partner would be like decades down the road?

[@cassier744]

Not true disabled women are given the choice to marry and become a burden on their husband or stay single and continue to get their disability payments and if the woman was too young when she became disabled with a simple disability as a heart defect and marries but now because of how things are has now lost her money because SSI took it because "spouse" makes too much yet they now struggle because she can no longer support herself.. there is no choice left but divorce to get her only way to support herself again... this is known facts and this also happens to boys and men too!!​@acceleration1146

[@ethangamer7869]

He said it was better not to marry if you can remain celibate.

[@ullman17]

Do men have any idea how pathetic they look crying that the government should start forcing women to stay married to them.

[@AimeeMarsh-m5y]

My grandpa said his greatest joy in life was his grandkids on his death bed. Then golf! Lol.

[@nnnnnnnn4199]

I’m a 55 year old with no kids either. Never married because I always felt it would hold me back from career goals. Looking back, and it’s the worst decision I’ve ever made. What is the wealth for if not for family?

[@scottchelmford7136]

So many dudes your age got wrecked in divorce bro

[@xaviermiller2940]

I’ve been waiting for Pat to have Cliff on his show. This is going to be 🔥

[@jerimahjohnson8698]

I'm married 63 and have had an unreal life. No kids but that's no on purpose. I was an athlete in my younger years and later turned that drive into real estate and a career I really can't talk about. Point here is back when I was in my 20s before I kinda made it no girls wanted to pair up with me and say have kids. It was not till I was maybe in my mid 30s and started making good money did women treat me differently and the money and things were the reason. I used to say to women I will never understand how people so blessed to have kids end up in bitter wars over stupid trivial stuff? I will never know that experience like they won't maybe know what it's like to live in my world. If I had to script it out I would not have chosen my route thru life. My wife some times ask me hey did your ex or another girl ever want to have kids with you? I'm like no not that I can remember? There was never a serious talk where they said let's have kids.... I'm just playing the cards I was dealt and can't go back now. Money is not everything guys....

[@stlouisix3]

Virginity, purity, celibacy, and chastity are superior states❤❤❤

[@jamesg3808]

If everyone were celibate, humanity would cease to exist.

[@stlouisix3]

God would perform remarkable miracles 🙏🏻 if everyone were 100% pure and celibate and moral and pious. A saintly humanity would survive and Prosper through miracles ✨️ 🙏🏻 🙌🏻 ❤️ 👏🏻 💙 😊

[@lds251]

@@jamesg3808I think the poster meant celibate until marriage- which used to be normal. Now it’s considered unnatural. Have you ever heard of these “incels”? Really angry guys because they haven’t scored before marriage.

[@jamesg3808]

@@stlouisix3 Then why didn't God just make it normal for people to reproduce without sex?

[@ralphangioli4852]

Yes, Jesus in the Gospels when teaching about marriage mentions those who sacrifice marriage and family for the sake of the Kingdom of God. Saint Paul who was voluntarily celibate wished all believers could be like him cause a single celibate person’s first concern can always be to serving God and His people where a married person’s first concern must always be to their spouse and children. Saint Paul though also recognized that of course more people are called to be married to show intimate love and have children to continue to maintain the Church on Earth. So both states are holy. Those who feel called to remain celibate for life to serve God and the Church or God and another good work and those called to marriage and family.

[@WriterandPhotographer]

Cliffe always has an interesting, and well-thought-out perspective on many facets of life. Pat, I have a suggestion that I was prompted to suggest from another video and reminded of again with this one. I would suggest having a laser-focus on those who are your guests and who you are interviewing. I know you are often involved in on-the-fly research, but is disrespectful to a degree, to seem distracted when a guest is answering your question. I have conducted more than 4,800 interviews myself, so I have some experience. You have been so successful in so many other ways that it seems like this behavior is out of synch with everything else. I rarely miss any of your content.

[@jimdandy8996]

Funny, this is the self-righteous attitude of a lot of guys... until they get zeroed-out in a divorce or their kids self-alienate for no justifiable reason. If I had a dime for every time I've seen this.

[@angelicaangel2624]

I agree. I happen to think having children is usually selfish.

[@darbyohara]

Haha right. Marriage and family works great when you make so much fucking money the woman wants to stay to enjoy it

[@jimdandy8996]

@@darbyohara Or she'll divorce you, and put you on the Kevin Costner payment plan.

[@scottchelmford7136]

This! These tradcons are insufferable

[@masterd3377]

@@darbyohara isn't that why both the man and women should work though? if both the man and women are working the man doesn't need to be a millionaire

[@keyyanarshad7321]

Cliff knows what’s up. He’s preaching truth!

[@HaraldinChina]

And ever since my first son is born (still only 2 years old), everything else becomes just harmless, irrelevant. Work is important, because it's for him, but I don't care. It wasn't the birth moment (bloody, hard, exhausting), but having children is so much more delight than any other high (and I've tried a range of drugs in young age, so I can truly compare).

[@cryptologic90]

Im 28 with 2 beautiful daughters and if i had know this experience was going to change my life like this i would have dont this so much sooner

[@BobKenge]

One of the best podcasts

[@robertparsons313]

Sorry to say this, but Cliffe and PBD aren't dealing with the many parents whose children have broken their hearts and left them devastated. Just google for the articles about children who have completely cut their parents off. Or check out the domestic violence that happens every day between men and women. Young men do not need to hear that their best life can only be found in committing to a woman. It might happen that way for some, but true contentment can only come from within, and not abandoning male friendships.

[@darbyohara]

Exactly. For some reason these conversations are never balanced on the pros and cons

[@preachingtruechrist]

Lotta bitter people surrounding the topic of marriage. Marriage is a beautiful thing and having children is amazing! The whole problem is, both men and women departed from God, that's why everything is falling apart. Life is beautiful with God in the center of it. So many blessings, joy and peace, and real love. Too bad many people never get to experience it even though it's available to all.

[@Danner1195]

The purpose of life is children and marriage. You’re correct. I’ve already completed everything I need to do. I’m a 28 year old man. I’m working to maintain what I have now. And yes I’ve had the sex with all the girls you talk about. This life doesn’t do anything for me. All these things don’t do anything for me. I question every day why am I working hard? Wasting my time? For what? For who? Because it’s not for me. I’m single and childless.

[@franklingrx]

i’m 75 years old and the biggest regret in my life and I attribute this to being duped by the feminist movement back in the late 60s is not having children. So many other women today knew also bought into it choosing to have children on their own without a man and going without themselves… now I’m old and alone with few friends no family and no purpose… stupid me

[@joshuapaulgibson]

There’s one path that was never mentioned. There are some like the prophets of old that never get married or have kids because they devote their entire life to God by following and serving him. I’m one of those people. I’ve been blessed with a nephew that I’m very close with and I’m very close the rest of my family. I just don’t have a wife or kids of my own. I coach kids in little league and am able to love them all as if they’re my own. If I had my own kids I probably wouldn’t be as free to do that. I’m the same way with kids in my surrounding communities. So in a way I’m able to reach and affect more young people positively cause of the fact that I don’t have my own family. God bless!

[@sara_sofia_1984]

That's very commendable and I honor you for it. The truth is that most men who choose to be single it's because they are too selfish to give up their own selfish goals and pursuits for the sake of another... Being a woman trying to find a husband, I have encountered many such men. It's a sad state of the world 😢

[@AnikeLaw]

Children are so impeccably sweet and mystical, I have had instances when children cried after me seeking my attention when I am leaving a venue. Just last week, an asian/british (somewhat 1year) stranger toddler followed me out of a library despite the mother being in the library. The toddler refused to be persuaded to return to her mum until we both returned and I promised her I was coming back. Though I am yet to be married (should have), I so much love children and believe they should be brought up under the right environment, atmospheric family structure. Children have done a lot of strange things around me also

[@KeithGilmore]

Not everyone is called to be married and have children. Marriage and parenthood are wonderful gifts from God, but they are not the only paths to a fulfilling and purposeful life. The Apostle Paul himself, in his letters, speaks to the value of singleness and the unique opportunities it offers for undivided devotion to the Lord. In 1 Corinthians 7:7-8, Paul writes, "I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do." Here, Paul acknowledges that singleness can be a gift that allows individuals to focus more fully on their relationship with God and their service to His kingdom. The key is to seek God's will for your life, whether that includes marriage and children or not. Each person has a unique calling, and fulfillment comes from following that calling faithfully. Whether married or single, with children or without, our primary purpose is to glorify God and live out His love in our lives.

[@NotSure723]

Having children so that you can have a friend, is utterly pathetic.

[@TrealTalk187]

I get what hes saying and wish it was the case but reality in 2024 says otherwise. If he was a young man today he would definitely be lost when it comes to marriage. Most people dont even commit to themselves and enjoy theyre own life but will "accidentally" have kids or get married to almost anyone nowadays smh

[@YoitsRazor-kz7bu]

I usually don’t comment but the reason is most people don’t have a true relationship with god I’ve been in and out of church for 10 years and only recently 2 months ago started developing my relationship with god. If your a man you need god in your life once you find that you’ll find someone similar who god has chosen for you but he can’t bless you until you decide to strengthen your relationship with god

[@jimdandy8996]

That's a realistic way to look at it.

[@QueenCityFilmsComm]

Best orthodox fearless GOSPEL CENTRIC interview I've seen on this platform!

[@ArmorofTruth]

Why is the divorce rate so high? Getting married to seek happiness. There’s nothing more fulfilling and meaningful than putting yourself third, and committing to your life to the love and honor of another. Within such sacrifice is where joy is found.

[@Noah_527]

A lot of people also get married because they had a child together thinking that will solve all their problems. Instead it can create more. Those marriages are far less likely to last.

[@lordflash4312]

Cliff is THE MAN!

[@tgan71]

52, never wanted or have kids. I've step parented/role modelled a couple of times in my marriage (now divorced) and a couple of great relationships since, but I have ZERO regrets to have kids especially in this woke society. I chose to rescue furkids and I think I have sacrificed more of my life (and have loved it) for the sake of animals. I'm not into whoring but am fully open to marriage again, however most women my age are not interested in a life partner at this point. Most feel tied down and just want to travel and shop around with young guys, rich guys, etc. I'm an Atheist and i can tell you i have more morals and values than most religious people.

[@womboyeckelstein]

Where do those morals and values come from? Chances are if they are the values normal people (now considered extreme conservatives) had 40 years ago they come from Christianity. I used to be an atheist too; using all the modern junk till I realized Christ was really the only one to bring happiness.

[@samm8150]

These days the chance of having a successful marriage is 5% to 95% failure . Now you still wanna take the chance and go through pain !

[@christinapomponio6452]

5% is still better than 0%

[@davidwagner9644]

​@@christinapomponio6452not when you are a man, as men lose significantly more in divorce then women.

[@SonjaOkeefe]

@@davidwagner9644everything in life comes with risk. I have gained so much more going through the pain and not running from it. Still married and we are both stronger for it. I now have a relationship with Christ first daily and the gain of that alone doesn’t make me fear possible hurt and loss.

[@darbyohara]

Yup. Between 5-15% of marriages are self reported as happy and I love after 10 years.

[@markadler8968]

@@christinapomponio6452 Of course you would say that as marriage only benefits you and your kind.

[@asherstribe5695]

As a 35 year old man that has found success in my entrepreneurial career, traveled, had many great experiences- the greatest accomplishment of my life was bringing my children into the world.

[@brentboost2879]

Which part of modern women are self interested garden tools do you not understand

[@immigrant6902]

Laws favoring wife, who has not earned a dime, but is getting everything in divorce, is the biggest problem preventing marriage.

[@juniormendoza657]

I'm 52 years old and never wanted to have children i always felt i would be a horrible parent. I had a son when i was attending college outside of marriage. I tried my best to raise a good decent person but i feel i still didn't do enough. Lately I've been questioning whether it was a good decision not to have a bunch of kids some part of me regrets not having more kids

[@romancastillo8430]

I’m a Catholic and my GF is a coming believer but not quite there yet. It’s a struggle to convey to her some problems she holds because she doesn’t view it like that. We share a child and it’s by far our greatest blessing. But to anyone who reads this, if you are believer in Christ then follow his teachings and get married before having sex! I love my child and my woman but some struggles are so hard because she lacks faith in God. So head my warning, follow God and not your own desire.

[@darbyohara]

You fucked up. You got a woman who’s a non believer

[@davidpacific]

Do you realize that the Catholic Church Is leading you straight to hell right!? Catholics because in Jesus PLUS MAN WORKS gets you to heaven. GOD says I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except through me. If your going to a catholic priest telling them your sins you are literally going to a man that is a sinner just like you. Can't do anything. Plus a lot of the things that are in the Catholic church are not even in the bible. You just believe them because they went to some Bible school. A lot of the things they say are not even in there they just make things up and twist the word. So they can make money off of you. Like saying priests can't marry or have sex that's nothing in the Bible and anything it's a gift from god. They do it so these guys become perverts over time and sin by watching porn and everything else because they can't get married. Also For example purgatory. There's nothing in the Bible that even talks about purgatory. God's words even says man is appointed once to die. A man either goes to heaven or hell for all of eternity never to get out. So the LIE of purgatory is just another example of what the Catholic Church does to get people sucked into giving them more money. Plus the Catholic pope has even started to accept homosexuality beliefs and say that they're going to go to heaven too. Completely contradicts the bible. The Catholic Church contradicts the Bible so many times. Not trying to be mean to you just trying to tell you the truth because I was living in a lie at one point and then finally found the truth. People who don't read their Bible believe people who are in supposed to be a biblical authority. The Catholic Church also encourages people to worship angels and to praise them. But in reality God says not to worship any angel or even to talk to it. The Lord said if you have an angel of light up here in front of you not even talk to it or entertain it. Man they contradict the Bible and people who don't know that just believe him right off the bat because they don't read the Bible for themselves. And the Catholic Church takes advantage majorly of people like that as well as other major religions in this world. Also there's like so many other ways they contradict the Bible but those are just a few.

[@sheridanstringer2932]

Going through this exact thing with my husband.

[@romancastillo8430]

@ have faith it will be ok

[@WomanlyWise1]

Excellent Forum. ❤️

[@mspencer679]

We are not here to judge one another. There are many children in this world who need fostering and adoption. May God bless everyone

[@beez991]

There is a lot of judgment in some of these comments unfortunately.

[@tomcoleman8753]

You got Cliffe on the show! Awesome!

[@1stanzione]

Such a wonderful talk.

[@nevadaminer5977]

Marriage and kids can be financial 💀for a man when it all goes south.

[@Enginshim]

Marry the right person. People don’t change just because they get married

[@beez991]

​@@Enginshimeasy said than done in these times

[@josephbenz4913]

If you want to save marriage, start raising daughters that are worthy of, and more importantly, willing to honor the commitment it represents.

[@markadler8968]

Couldn't agree more. The judicial system needs to be reformed as well and represent mens interests instead of just womens

[@Edrian_is_Sincere]

Judicial system needs to be changed, men should have standards & raise their daughters well, & also the men should be raised to be good & serious too. It’s about being involved & making a legacy

[@sheridanstringer2932]

Same goes for our sons.

[@Mr_burke90]

WONDERFUL ANSWER

[@mols0n]

I think this convo is missing one largest factors contributing to people not having kids and that is the increasing cost of living. It's just so damn expensive to have a kid these days.

[@Luvothrsmor22]

Stats show men who have no companionship live 20 yrs less often dying by age 60. I just lost 4 bachelor friends and family members all male before age 60 in past 7 yrs and all but one was a bachelor. A companion usually pushes a man to eat healthier whether straight or gay. Being alone is unhealthy long term. Yes God and Jesus can give us great spiritual companionship but humans need humans

[@ralphangioli4852]

I’m 58, never married no kids. Thank God I have a great job and I hit the gym 6 to 7 days a week sometimes twice a day while eating healthy. I’m sorry for your losses. I believe in marriage and family but the truth is even if PVD and his guest won’t acknowledge it is it does not happen for everyone. Sometimes God has other plans and we may not understand them till later. Thank God for me I was single and childless when my Dad was in his last days as I was able to be is full time caregiver. Yes, marriage and family are good and holy but just because it doesn’t happen that now as a man you’ve just been given an early death sentence.

[@pamelaryan4576]

There are plenty of purposes for life without being married and having kids. It's what you make of your life with the opportunities that arise. Travel, social events, church and volunteerism just to name a few. I was married with a step- daughter and it was a bad experience, never again!

[@BlackPearlMona369]

Never listen to who advies you against marriage. I am divorced but i still believe in marriage. Has so many benefits and everyone knows ❤

[@stephaniejooste3879]

I've seen so many young women who's lives were ruined because they had children out of wedlock. My husband and I chose not too have children because of medical reasons but we said that if God had another plan we wouldn't have it any other way. We now have so many children who aren't ours biologically and still have their own parents, but we are making differences in their lives because they also see what a happy marriage can be. Our one baby turned 6 on the 17th and I can still remember holding him the day after he was released from NICU, a 800g little bundle of joy!

[@Dagnymarie1]

As a mom of 7 living, I think you should thank God first for your sons, your wife second, then health care people.

[@antionejones3242]

Christ won't stop child support

[@niceguy2091]

3:40 doesnt think of including his wife in the "thanks" ?

[@worldisfilledb]

i choose sex over marriage atleast five times a week, twice on tuesday and i gotta tell you, its a rough life boys

[@Edrian_is_Sincere]

Explain the roughness I’m curious Btw If marriage is out the window, I’d still choose dating 1 person than being promiscuous. But ngl, Ideally I would like a polygamy relationship in the same house & save cash 💀

[@jordanboring6321]

The pastor had wonderful advice and answered the question wonderfully. I would just say for PBD and other Christians who make the insinuation that people who don't have kids are somehow incomplete or don't have a full life are making an error because in doing so you are saying that Jesus Christ himself and the Apostle Paul had incomplete lives because they didn't have kids and weren't married. Yes living a life for yourself is an incomplete life, but having kids isn't the only path to a complete life and even having kids doesn't mean that someone isn't living for themselves anymore. With that being said, yes the encouragement of young people to commit and get married is a good thing and should be given more often

[@thomasdukes9685]

The only regret in my life is not having kids. Children are gifts from God

[@jim6534]

The freedom lovers trying to tell us what to do with our lives

[@beez991]

And why do these "happy" people judge others so harshly?

[@jim6534]

@@beez991 it's all an act.they are really misarble

[@Duanenewson]

Ideally I see just me and my significant other with a dog. I see no kids in my future because its just not my cup of tea. But I definitely plan on settling with a stable partner.

[@KingDrub]

They forgot to mention how women these days think they are better then us. But it would be nice to have a family , if it’s what god wants

[@skibum914]

I am 61, never married, no kids. I found that based on my history with women including girl friends that I was very bad at selecting healthy nurturing women...they always turned out to be a disaster. I learned my lessons from this and decided about 10 years ago that I was done with trying to find that great women to be with. I am single for many years now, have a paid off home, money in early retirement and am happy most of the time. If find today's available women to be intolerable. The risk is definitely not worth taking in my case. The woke virus has infected them in the environments I have lived in NYC and Denver. The combo of my knowledge based on my history and the woke feminist virus plus the legal system that is designed to protect women and hurt men makes it impossible to take that risk. Life is worth living alone. Nothing tragic about my life. I do believe in God and Jesus although the church and the Pope are corrupted as much as women today.

[@packleader1215]

Bill Maher is an ancient kid

[@meredithisme3752]

You wouldn't want any issue from breeding with Maher

[@chrisnugent6507]

Why do they insist on referring to selling insurance as being in financial services?

[@ServingGodandcountry]

Please don't choose misery, agony, torture, tragedy. CHOOSE LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST 💯 GOD BLESS YOU. 💯✝️🕊🙏 🙌 ❤️🫂👣

[@5.0king32]

How do they know they might just not be able to have kids/infertility. Instead assuming they just don’t want any

[@beez991]

Yes that's pretty ignorant to assume that.

[@dutz2116]

This man is superb

[@renyarhoj4154]

Instead of a god you put yourself in that role. Rather than anchoring yourself using faith in an outer force I would argue it's much better to be your own anchor. It's much, MUCH harder to be your own anchor than giving your issues, blame, and consequences away to an outer force like a god and it makes you a better stronger person.

[@docgb5990]

Many people can attest to the devastating impact of choosing marriage tho tbf

[@youtubeuser6067]

In this day and age, if you manage to find someone to marry, then marry. But, get a prenuptial. It should cover finances, assets and kids if you have any. This will spare you from lawyer traps set up and re-enforced by the legal system.

[@markadler8968]

Pre nups aren't worth the paper they are printed on. A good friend/client is a divorce attorney and invalidates them all the time. The best solution is what I call a no nup. It works 100% of the time.

[@noneyabiz8225]

I have yet too meet, see god. I dislike kids. My woman died. Game over. I am not lonely whatsoever!

[@palnagok1720]

I have no regrets, I have skills, knowledge, wisdom...and I can pass that on to anyone.

[@bumpercoach]

YOU CAN BE USEFUL in your season but will never make the lasting difference w/o reproducing that you would winning at the ultimate achievement

[@JosefFurg1611]

Great that you host Christians!!

[@colleendavis7181]

Develop the intellectual and emotional self, take care of your physiology and health, heal past traumas, find God (He has already found everyone), then go for it. It is so much fun. Kids will drive you crazy, but people go crazy anyways in the end! So much fun. Also get a dog too!!!

[@beez991]

Or a cat

[@KingDrub]

Some idiot said this: “Marriage & Kids = accepting THE MATRIX” ………(it was me😂)

[@jochoa1570]

Don't forget Henry Rollins. Not married, no kids.

[@judefuselier]

Love letter to Adam

[@Trustamania]

I nvr wanted to bring kids into this shi*hole 🌎

[@Ja50nkAt]

That's crazy Mike Rowe never had a wife or kids. Why do back breaking trades work if you're not supporting a family though, you do those jobs if you need the money for a family and am willing to risk your health.

[@reanschwarzer2187]

Good for yall but your old you see what we have to choose from today. Just having a kid isn’t a good thing raising a good kid in a married home is a good thing. To many think just have kids.

[@Audicjdhro1739]

Must be nice to have a relationship with god. Many of us were abandoned.

[@Francis-kw9ui]

if the Lord allows it…

[@melaniehoyt7607]

Only Jesus Christ can heal.

[@mjfraser04]

All I heard was selfishness. It was all about “me, me, me, I, I, I”. All they talked about is the feelings and “purpose” of their own self-interest neglecting that their “purpose” requires subjecting a human to life without consent. Talking about a new life being created like it’s some inanimate object. People don’t have to agree with antinatalism (the philosophy that creating life is immoral) but to not even discuss it as a reason people are opting out of having kids is rather ignorant. PDB has really leaned into the subjects of kids and religion the past year-ish. I respect him on if not most of his viewpoints but he’s going too far into it with willful ignorance. And having this apologist fruit loop on his show poisons it even more.

[@hectorelmexican4014]

Most beautiful experience in the world are.....baby girls💪🙏💜💙❤️... especially as a grandpa

[@PhotogPhotog-sk4ip]

I don’t don’t view the childless negatively. It’s a choice some folks have made, and that’s fine for them….but I pity them…You don’t know how much you can love something until you have a child. The kind of love that almost hurts in a way. Trying to figure out how to raise each child, give them support, direction, discipline, freedom and space, the balancing act without equal. Children bring the greatest joy and can break your heart and cause so much pain. It’s the biggest gamble of your life. In the end you can control your actions, but you can’t control them. I find the childless hard to relate to. When you discuss the things of life with them, the conversation has limits, they don’t have the same frame of reference. You what life was like before children, they don’t know what life is like after children. You live on two different planets, you don’t really breathe the same air.

[@janakubin2547]

You just spoiled this message with Heads

[@Terri-o5q]

This is crazy. I just noticed that this segment only got 37,000 views or so. Why?? Other segments get so much more. THAT should tell you something about the American Mindset Priorities Desires Choices Expectations Wow.. what a disappointment. I thought this would have hundreds of thousands of views... To me, when I look at this, it shows ME the sad state of affairs in this country because you aren't going to tell me that ever single person who has no kids doesn't have them because they couldn't.... Very, very sad

[@socialnetwork1936]

well, this topic is over used. Some people are tired of hearing "Kids are the ONLY way your life will have meaning". I feel the discussion should go towards why people who do want those things can't achieve them.

[@beez991]

I can't have kids and people judge me and shame me for it. Many people have kids and their kids are abandoned them when they got old. Life is not black and white

[@Terri-o5q]

@@beez991 very true. I worked many years at conv hospitals and many of the women who DID have chidlren NEVER saw them.. they called once a year for a birthday and that's it.......

[@FeelGoodNetwork]

Why does anyone have to explain or justify not having children? The reason(s) are varied... and sometimes deeper than you think. It could be medical, mental, trauma, or they just dont want to. And as far as marriage goes, there are no guarantees. People leave. You can get married and, still, not have children. Life is complex. GODS' plan for that persons' life may not be the same as His plan for your life. Paul never married, and he never had children. Yet he wrote most of the New Testament. GOD has a plan for each of us... even if other people don't agree with it, like it, or understand it. Walk in the shoes of the before you judge them. But for the Grace of GOD, there go I.

[@LK56835]

SEX is MARRIAGE