Alyssa Hates The Tesla Model Y After Spending A Day With One! Juniper Improvements She Would Want

[@LindaCampbell-nz7mo]

How fun to include Alyssa! We bought a used 2019 Etron last year with low miles after listening to Kyle’s advice. Like Alyssa, we love all the comfort, total quiet- yes bank vault and rocking sound system! Room for our 2 Goldens! Charging at home is super easy. She added a good perspective to the podcast. We look forward to more with her. Thank you guys😄

[@symawd]

I agree with Alyssa. I had a 2023 Model 3 Performance and had to get rid of it right away (during covid, so no money lost). I couldn't stand the road noise, rough suspension, rattles, phantom braking with autopilot, lane changes canceling autopilot, no Android Auto, and awful Tesla customer service. I am so much happier with my Q8 etron. The quietness, ride comfort, etc is pretty much unmatched and that is really all I care about for 99% of driving.

[@boostav]

I mean to compare and cross shop a Model 3 Perf with a Q8 etron you need to have double digit IQ

[@EvMan6466]

2023 wasn’t around during Covid?

[@dennisschlieckau8723]

I always enjoy Alyssa’s opinion and participation in these videos. However, I really miss Francie. She had real gift for hosting and did a terrific job researching and presenting each topic. I’d love to know what she moved onto and if it’s in the EV industry.

[@raymondmatava9285]

Agree. She was a real asset.

[@laggreen]

Francine was amazing.

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

I love Alysa real person perspective. And she is not afraid to say she doesn’t like a Tesla as her car

[@777Outrigger]

Tesla loaners are often older Model Ys, often as far back as 2021. 2023 and later Model Ys have improvements over those older models.

[@donn5188]

@@777Outrigger Thanks for mentioning this. I have a 23 and have none of the negatives they're talking about. Quiet and solid.

[@aaronalter2000]

I had the same impression of the ride quality of the Model Y as a passenger. It had a very rough ride unless the pavement was perfectly smooth.

[@georgegmc6215]

We have a 2022 Model Y long range with 50,000 miles on it now. We bought it new. No rattles, love driving it. Suspension is rough but not that bad. Just got the Christmas software update, amazing! Driving on long trips is great especially the charging! Best car I’ve owned. I’m 82 years old. Thanks for the video though. Very informative!…but not how I feel.

[@Streeknine]

I have a 2022 Model Y Performance and it's been amazing. Great camping vehicle I can carry my folding ebike without putting down the back seats and it was great sleeping in it this past summer. I had a Model 3 LR before, it was fun but I needed more space and utility. Sure if you want an around town car, Model 3 is great. But when you want to go camping or take your bike somewhere or hook up a cooler, M3 is garbage and you'll wish you had a MY. These people have driven $100,000 + cars... of course the Model Y is junk for them.

[@MountainManGuy]

@@Streeknine Completely agree! Great take. They don't give the Y enough credit. The 3 is a great car, but I need the space of the Y. It's significantly better for me than the 3.

[@briansherwood3643]

Same here. I have a 2021 with 75,000 miles

[@RonSwanson1969]

Please turn off the TV behind Kyle next time 🙏

[@Mike.T.]

Yes! Seeing Kyle's enlarged arm swinging behind him with a slight delay was really annoying.

[@kevinchu3529]

Yes. I have a 2023 Model Y and the ride is TERRIBLE! Make sure you test drive before buying…..

[@kevinchu3529]

ALSO, the interior is very “boomy” Yes. The model Y needs the Highland treatment…..

[@philippeguillemette3025]

🤣 I thought that was someone making fun of how much he talks with is hands.

[@geopickle]

I bought a 2024 Y long distance (Hardware 4) in July, because of $11K off between Fed & MA discounts. I came from a Subaru Forester, and after 6000 miles, I have come to love the Y. Initially, did not like visibility via the mirrors, very hard to see looking back. It seemed big and I could not "feel" how close I was to curb, other cars, etc. I have learned to appreciate cameras and Autopark. With FSD, started using it mostly as cruise control as it steers better than a driver, tho yes, it does not see potholes, and speed and positioning in traffic less good. Eventually, used FSD (v.12.5.6.3 is a game changer!) from Boston to Queens, NY - shockingly good, tho in heavy rain it needed me to drive. I just drove to eastern Mass on FSD door to door, there and back. I fiddled with chill, standard and hurry modes, as well as using the steering wheel adjuster to tune speed parameters. Driver monitoring is a pain, but it does force you to be attentive, which after all, is it's purpose. Can't wait for FSD v.13! It took me some time, (which Alyssa did not have) but I've come to love the Y. The 3 is too low for me, I don't like sedans, and I dislike the 3 back glass design for New England (fill your trunk with snow!) No complaints on Y ride comfort. I also think some Juniper upgrades were put in late 2024 Y's with Hardware 4, but I am looking forward to the refresh. I don't think the Y deserves to be trashed quite as much as you guys did, sounds like older ones are worse? I'm with Kyle's mom re: the Y. The Fed discount will likely be gone by date of Juniper refresh, but I can always trade up...

[@MurrayFCohen]

We have late 2023 y. Horribly bumpy. We just drove through an alley in Los Angeles and I have a traumatic brain injury.

[@andyhengel9285]

First, more Alyssa is always welcome! I value her perspective on whatever car is being discussed. As a MYP owner, her comments are spot-on, except I’ve grown to love the car over time. It’s far from perfect, and our other daily driver (an I-Pace) offers a superior driving experience. But every car on the road comes with some collection of compromises and we bought the Y for utility, not to be the ultimate driving machine. For us, the combination of Tesla’s SW, the stereo system, and the space (including the frunk which we use all the time) outweighs the crappy ride and handling, at least at its price point. Give it a better suspension and more NVH refinement and it’d be a home run. As it is today, I think it’s still the best value in its price segment.

[@johnlabernik4599]

We’re past the early adopter phase for EVs. People are looking for value and practicality above all else. That’s why the Y is so popular.

[@karlwolf2]

Good to see Kyle stop interrupting people and letting them speak by themselves now

[@davemayo70]

“Won’t be super long.” 54 minutes! 😂 Keep these podcasts coming. Great listening material for my commute.

[@xjdisuehd]

I have a 5 month old, Model Y AWD. This car works for me, because my wife likes it (we're a one car household), she doesn't have to go to a gas station ever. My parents are about 200 miles north of us, while my in-laws are about 200 miles south of us. If driven at 65mph, regardless of the weather, as long as we start from our home at 100%, and the cabin is pre-heated and battery is at a nice temperature too, we will always reach at either of our parent's house within 3.5 hours, and not needing a pee-break or a charging stop. It also fits very nicely two young kids in car seats, and one very cuddly cat whole loves to hang in my wife's lap and laying directly on top of my kids. Not to mention auto-pilot, which makes the journey nearly painless. We're in Virginia Beach, and have taken longer trips (we don't do more than 1000 mile road trips, just fly at that point), and charging to 80% gives us about 170-200 miles, while the first leg gives us about 250-275 miles, pretty good, considering our trunk and frunk are usually fully loaded on longer trips with kid stuff and our own clothes. We have one more kid in the next few months and are thinking of adopting a dog, at which point we're either going for the big Kia electric, or a minivan. As to Alyssa's point, I don't like the Model Y, but till now, it has literally been the perfect car according to my wife, and she's the one who does majority of daily driving, dropping and picking me from work during the week, and me driving during the weekends.

[@Icayn]

Well, you would have to let your wife try out different option to compare it to. Say an etron, or a Lyriq . Then she may or may not find the Y to be so perfect.

[@tojesky]

Great listening to Alyssa! What a gem for the channel.

[@Hugo-py2ce]

The model y is a great car, the best-selling car in the world. There is a reason for that! That's a big word to use for the model Y "Trash"? Cmon.

[@naterobinson5141]

Being objectively critical is why I tune in. I appreciate Alyssa’s POV it is refreshing in a sea of Tesla fan vlogs.

[@lyfandeth]

Same feeling about the Y suspension. Going over RR tracks, it rides like an old Chevy Nova. As upposed to a well tuned German car that can literally climb a curb without you noticing. Yes, tires, performance, an extra ton of batteries all make a difference. But the suspension on a Y is just totally unimpressive at the price. Even a ten year old Lincoln is smoother.

[@AK2CO]

My first EV was a used 2019 model 3 long range plus. Had lots of buggy issues and didn’t enjoy it. Then got a brand new 2024 model Y long range AWD. Got it in February, 18k miles on it now. However we traded in the wife’s SUV for a Kia EV9 and WOW - what a massive difference. It’s bigger and drives far better than our Y

[@karlwolf2]

@@AK2CO of course it's bigger lol. Its double the price....

[@danandfaith]

We just traded our Model Y to get a Mach-e. Nice to buy a car from a company that has always been a car company and knows how to build cars. Done with Tesla.

[@Cyrribrae]

Huh. Interesting. Is this just a no tesla thing or do you find the Mach-E better? On paper, I'd be surprised to think of many things the ford does better (maybe interior/UI choices or if you like the styling, fair). What do you like more about it?

[@GDM22]

@@karlwolf2 Yes, double the price is no exaggeration and a rediculous comparison. For most, price is everything, the Model Y in Australia where I live is a cheap EV, only slightly above the Chinese EVs. Cybertruck is also incredibly expensive in comparison and has numerous negatives.

[@BensEcoAdvntr]

I’m with Alyssa. Yes, nobody has software as good as Tesla. But day to day having a comfortable and quiet car is a bigger priority for me

[@Wasabi9111]

Same here. I rec teslas to everyone bc it’s just easy to use. But I can’t stand the ride, noise, squishy seats or fast steering of MY. Like Kyle said, I gives me a headache from it.

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

It is a lttle funny to see how strong the opinion of Alyssa is about the model Y. It reminds me strong of my wife, when we are looking for an EV, which she insisted to do. I first fall in love with a Model 3 performance while doing a testdrive. Also the kids did. But she did not like it at all and even refuse to test drive it. So we were looking for an alternative, at this time there were not many, especially if you consider the price. (2019) Thankfully that has changed. PS. When a VW calls for an Oil change it is calling for inspection/service. I would not call it bad software, only old fashioned/confusing way to say it. In particular for an EV. Kyle is totally right when he said VW has not a good use of space anymore. They have lost there way. The Golf I was a wonder of useing space at the time it came out. And it saved the brand at this Time. It was truly the car for the pepole, which Volkswagen literally means. VW has to do it again. Apparently Tesla has become this in the EV world.

[@ParzivalHB]

Alyssa really brings a simplistic viewpoint of what a car should be. I like the focus of build quality and reliability in this discuss above tech. A car’s primary purpose is to get you to and from a destination without drama. All that other stuff is just a cell phone review.

[@stargazer3828]

I have to agree with Alyssa. I was all set to buy a MY and then my neighbor who previously owned one told me to go on Turo and rent one for a week to see how I would like one after it has been broken in! I have to say the firm ride and squeaks and rattles annoyed the hell out of me and my OCD. I was turned off after that experience and now I am waiting to see if the Juniper refresh will address those issues otherwise I may just wait for the Cayenne Electric.

[@jaybarker3718]

I just traded in my etron for the MY because of the opposite of what she is saying. I agree its suspension isnt great but everything else is better. Also had an merc e class and im still picking the MY. The experience is way better and etron’s interior is just as bad or worse! I also literally couldn’t sell my etron and had to take the hit and trade it in. Oh yeah, FSD for the win!

[@deplorablechump8758]

I complained about the noise and bumpiness of the Y and then drove my 2010 Lexus sedan and I realized the Y was better. 😂

[@justanotherguy7798]

Kia EV6 rides great charges fast looks amazing and the dual motor is pretty snappy, no rattles and everything works perfectly, not much of a software nerd just know it all works, every car takes a little getting used too.

[@techismycologne]

This has been known and should be discussed more. People always ask "Why anything other than a Tesla?" - but then go on and on about how rough their suspension is, squeaks and rattles, road noise; things that are uncommon in other brands EVs.

[@pppscooby]

Totally agree, tesla are a great for two things 1. Supercharger network 2. Lots of tech for your money I had an audi a6 loaner, and that car was so much nice as a car, more refined ride, nice low driving position, more going on around you. If you could combine both, that would be something.

[@joenace6473]

Great Video! So what car would you get over the Model Y in the same price range?

[@ronniemullis8717]

The Chevrolet Equinox would be a much better choice for better looks, style and build quality if you’re not concerned about fast charging.

[@walterwareiii3164]

My wife and I rented a model Y on road trips to Las Vegas and Nebraska and I can say the supercharging is awesome but we were unimpressed. The ride was not comfortable for me. We had owned Kias and we went and bought a EV6 at a super great price. We love, love our EV6 Gtline. I drive it every day and use it for my work car and we road trip it. It is to be in on a daily basis. I guess I am not a tech nerd and having cheap cars over the years I don't mind some of the plastic.

[@Usedcars1st]

Great seeing Alyssa do a podcast love the podcasts keep them coming!

[@Mike.T.]

I don't own a Model Y but I've driven one and the lack of a screen behind the steering wheel is just stupid. Why does Tesla think that eliminating normal car things just for the sake of eliminating them a good idea?

[@hlothr]

It’s just cost cutting.

[@greenearth9945]

Definitely cost

[@justinschultz4325]

Alyssa was quite good in this video. I could see her being the regular podcast host.

[@lm3718]

I love Alyssa's review, her no holds barred comments were great. The car "is trash" 😂😂 I liked that Alyssa doesn't let Kyle direct her thoughts.

[@sudeeptaghosh]

She is behind the camera since Kyle started YT .. please correct me if I’m wrong.. so she has quite an experience

[@MichaelMuni]

the longer cars also tend to be really used trade-ins and one I got had a sticker saying it was bought back due to lemon law. You may want to test drive a current model to see if its the same.

[@randyshanofsky9903]

The sound quality is superb. You may want to consider having Kyle and Coleton on the left of Alyssa in the 3 box configuration so that the eyeline is correct.

[@djand77]

My wife went from a Honda CRV to a 4680 Model Y with castings front and rear. She loves the car and since we mostly charge it at home, the supercharging speed isn't an issue. No rattles, solid suspension, great seats and a huge cargo area. She did NOT like my 2023 Model 3 Performance at all, stiff suspension, a few rattles, and she didn't like that it felt so tiny which meant she didn't feel safe. Fast forward a year and I traded my M3P for a Cybertruck and she LOVES the truck. If Tesla can make the new Model Y emulate the feel of the CT, then it will probably be a huge success.

[@tant.5864]

I just bought Model Y a month and a half ago. First thing I noticed was how rough the suspension is too. My explanation is it feels like I drive a skateboard. My previous car was not even an expensive car, just a regular Toyota SUV, and it was way more comfortable than Model Y. I admit that I did not test drive Model Y before I ordered, becauseI thought it won't be that much different than Model 3 Highland. Turns out I'm wrong and now I'm stuck with it. All I can do now is just get used to it and enjoy the practicality of it instead of how stiff it is. My car also rattles the hell out of the trunk too.

[@rlyonsiii]

I have a 2024 Model Y AWD Ultra Red with the 20" wheels, not sure where it was assembled at but i don't have any rattles or gaps (quality issues) the ride is stiff but doesn't bother my me or my wife, we live in South Florida so maybe our roads are better, no potholes or patched up roads, not sure about the Colorado road conditions. I love minimalist like Kyle. Please do a review of the 2024/5 Model Y before the refresh and after. As for this review maybe you need someone that owns a 2024/5 Y instead of riding in a loaner a few hours for a better perspective. Great video overall 👍🏾

[@voldar70]

Exchanging my 2023 Model 3 LR AWD for a 2024 Model Y LR AWD was the best thing I ever did. The ride quality is the same between the two cars I owned. It is true though, Tesla changed the suspension in late 2022 and the 2024 Model Y is smooth like butter. Maybe Alicia experienced a 2021-2022 Model Y loaner. Next time it would be great to have the years of the loaners when we are talking about Tesla. Things that made me move from Model 3 to Model Y : - ingress/egress - towing capability - hatchback configuration And remarkable as it seems, the efficiency loss in the Model Y is less than 15% compared to the Model 3. And way better compared to all the other SUV competitors of the Model Y (Mach-E, Ioniq 5, EV6, ID4).

[@johndleggett]

I recently drove a Highland Model 3 and a Model Y at the dealer. Liked the Model 3. Hated the Model Y. Will give a retry when Juniper comes out, but the Y I drove was nothing like "smooth as butter".

[@voldar70]

@@johndleggett I own(ed) both for more than a year, nothing like a 30 minutes ride, and the 2024 Model Y is as smooth as the 2023 Model 3 - not the Highland. The Highland is better, but not enough to make me forget about the fact that I have to dive inside it.

[@voldar70]

I should underline one thing : my Tesla Model Y has 19" wheels and that has an impact on the ride quality. The Tesla Model Y that are given for test drive are usually on 20" wheels and this does have an impact on the ride quality.

[@munionr]

2023 model Y has greatly improved suspension. It isn't so much stiff as it is rigid. You barely feel potholes if only one wheel is affected. I am looking forward to the refresh. Fantastic car for the money.

[@dosethree-q6b]

The suspension on the latest long ranges is pretty good - on the sporty side though - it’s still a noisy ride though for sure compared to Audi Something being popular isn’t a reason to avoid it though ppl do that all the time like with bands. If you imagine no one has one, it’s cooler, but that’s in your head

[@hereigoagain5050]

A key to being a happy EV owner is not lusting after more range, better charging, and more advanced tech. Love Alyssa's viewpoint.

[@ryankelley6982]

As a MYLR owner who has owned "nice German cars". I need the space for 2 teenagers and hockey gear so a 3 doesn't work. Not a truck guy. MY is pretty much the only option if I want to stick with Tesla (software, superchargers, etc). Can't wait for Juniper for all the reasons you called out. FYI, also rocking a 2017 Leaf for around town.

[@dandaigle4546]

couldn't spell one word :) figured it out thoroughly enjoyed this podcast, Alyssa was a fresh viewpoint, keep these coming Kyle

[@gmv0553]

Alyssa was genuine and great in the podcast!

[@greenne]

If you can deal with a slower charging speed the Equinox is a great alternative. Once you throw in incentives.. the Equinox is going to be a good $5k cheaper (or more) than a Model Y. The interior is much better and the ride is much more comfortable. It is an extremely likeable vehicle, despite losing almost everything on the spec sheet. It just feels right...

[@boostav]

Interior is much worse on the Equinox not better, this is simply an objective matter based on quality of materials used.

[@greenne]

​@@boostavi disagree.

[@boostav]

@@greenne There's nothing to agree/disagree, quality of materials is an objective metric. That the average buyer is incapable of correctly perceiving quality is well known in the industry, which is why legacy OEMs fill their interiors with all kinds of cheap design elements that add visual interest so as to give the perception of higher quality.

[@greenne]

@boostav quality by its very definition is subjective. How do you measure "quality"...are you equating quality with durability, cost, or value? (Some combo of the three?) Where are your metrics? Oh wait...another Tesla bot. Tesla is not regarded as having great QC....

[@elde667]

Man…..OOS is so positive, so educational and multifaceted. All that with a dose of varied personalities manning the ship. Pure excellence in entertainment as well as education.

[@thomaswilliams6155]

Alyssa is the bomb. great personality fun to see her express her own opinion, even if its wrong...lol

[@DavidHamby-ORF-48]

I have a 2023 Fremont Model Y with 19 inch Gemini wheels and Continental tires. Wheel choice was deliberate to tame ride noise and harshness. The 19’s accept several covers. And aftermarket covers.

[@user-oo3uj5ku9r]

I am loving this podcast series!

[@ourkaravan]

I drove 38 different vehicles before purchasing the Y. Sure, there are a few cars left that are more exciting to drive, but they are either exotics or they cost 2-3X what the Y does--I'm referring to cars like the 911, M3, some AMG cars, etc. I learned pretty quickly in car shopping that there is no better $40k cross over SUV that combines practicality, safety, performance, driving pleasure, etc.

[@shou635]

Alyssa: “ I love my ETron” Also Alyssa: I don’t really use it beyond in town driving. Don’t precondition it. Don’t DC charge it. Yeah…. I’ll stick with Tesla.

[@Tonar18]

Have a 23 MYP and couldn’t disagree more. Great build quality. 20,000 miles and no rattles. I have pretty good roads in Arkansas so the suspension is great for me here. Much easier for me to get in and out of compared to MS or M3. I take it on road trips frequently and love it. (And I’ve owned MB and BMW, and Volvo) I’m looking forward to improvements, but love my current one. I get the “basic” interior knock, but I’ve gotten used to it and get the design. The ambient lighting will be a noticeable improvement.

[@junehanzawa5165]

She likely got a pre '23. The suspension was really rough on both the Y and 3 prior to '23. There's really a big difference. So coming from a luxury vehicle, it's really noticeable if she got a pre '23 model.

[@DiscThrowr]

I have a 2022 MY LR and I live in the Mid-Atlantic. We don't have the best roads and the suspension has never bothered me. Can it be improved? Sure. I just put Hankook EV Ion tires on it and it is even quieter than the original OEM Continentals. The ride of the Performance model is stiffer I hear due to the larger wheels. I think having the 19 inch Gemini wheels was a good accidental move on my part. Oh, BTW I've driven to Florida twice over the past 2 years and the only state where I noticed a less than desirable ride was going through South Carolina and it wasn't that bad.

[@tomm5936]

I love Alyssa, she’s so honest and direct, it’s hilarious 😂 I agree with you guys. I don’t understand why people love the Tesla Y. I think it’s as you said that people just want the simple A to B solution. I hated driving it, I got out of the parking lot so it took me a minute longer than Alyssa. I also don’t like how it looks, and it’s way too common and they’re all the same color.

[@jonmarc876]

I think Alyssa basically sums up why ppl don’t complain about the 3/Y ride and noise issues here 17:55. Most people driving a Tesla today new is actually their first new car. I’ve heard so many friends say “this is such a nice car” sitting in a M3 they bought and in my mind it’s really just mid/ok because I’ve driven nicer cars (not even REALLY nice either, like top spec Toyotas and BMWs)

[@sickset]

100% agree with your comment and also with what Alyssa is saying. I think the price point allows people to get into a new car, especially with state and provincial incentives. But we did a full round of test drives several months ago which included the current Model Y LR, the Audi Q4 and the Audi Q8 e-tron and SQ8 e-tron (now mind you the last 2 were double the price of the Model Y) - The Q4 trim was about 10,000k CAD MSRP difference before any discount discussed. We took the exact same route and the Q4 was way more smoother than the Model Y (SQ8 etron was my fave) That alone made any decision difficult because the Audi suffered on the tech but the build quality and refinement and just interior quality was also better than the MY. The tech in Tesla was light years better, and it just works - especially the app versus Audi. With that said I am happy to see all these raving reviews about the Highland Model 3, especially regarding the suspension. I am looking to test that this week to see how it compares. I think that is a better option than the current Model Y. and I was traditionally looking at a more SUV size, but can't get over that MY suspension, whatsoever. The Tech is what really keeps it on the list, and of course the price point (the price gap does lessen given Tesla's current rates in Canada versus the lower rates from other brands)

[@Harrythehun]

I don’t agree on the first car part. We are many that are willing to compromise with the “niceness” for the best value electric car. Performance, software and technology.

[@777Outrigger]

Model Y has superior technology, software, and trip planning. Some of us prefer that to the ride of a $75,000 car which is inferior in those areas. Not to mention a premium charing experience. That sums it up for me.

[@craigarnold1212]

My cousin sold her Y and bought the id4 and 'loves it from a driving perspective but especially no rattles.' Her words on Sunday. For me I am leaning towards the EV9. I feel more comfortable in that style than the Y or the cybertruck. It isn't going to change what I can do and should fit into my life. It basically is similar with what I have and it is 5 to 6 times more efficient. Thanks to Alyssa for giving her impressions! Always enjoy your thoughts and feelings. It helps other gain perspective. You looked fairly annoyed on that trip to Norway, except for most of the food.

[@cranium1441]

Quite interesting perspective! I had a 2018 Model 3, and the 2023 Y is such a better ride (to me). But now I have to look with a different perspective. Thanks for this!

[@johnlabernik4599]

There are 3 reasons you might buy a model Y: 1. you want the best value EV 2. You want a dummy proof road tripper 3: you believe in FSD

[@AaronCrawford]

Much prefer the MYP over the M3. M3 is too low

[@surf-n-turf]

I understand and agree with the stiff steering, even using the lightest setting. However, FSD largely eliminates the need to steer manually. 😉

[@eiremerald]

I appreciate having your POV, Alyssa, so thanks for braving the podcast. From another introvert who is not good with remembering numbers… hello dyscalculia. 😂

[@rkgsd]

I found out my 2021 Y has lost 50% of its value after just 3 years even though it only has 18k miles. That scares me enough to want to sell it ASAP. I'm so glad to hear the discussion about the ride quality because I once considered trading it in for a newer one with the so-called comfort suspension only to hear it's not much of an improvement. There are also rattles from the cargo area trim panels.

[@1AdamDaily]

More Alyssa! Couldn’t agree more about the model Y. It drives so bad! Can’t wait to see refreshed model Y.

[@TomTWalker]

3:40 Love Out of Spec, but not knowing the manufacture-date of Alyssy's Model Y loaner is a miss. Tesla is alway improving things, and I believe the suspension was improved a year or so after initial production. It's still a bumpy car compared to more expensive/luxury cars, but not as bad as the initial year M-Y. Also, context is important. Calling it a trash-can on wheels is a bit harsh without explaining that you are comparing it to more expensive luxury cars. I trust that the upcoming M-Y refresh does for the current Model Y what the Model 3 refresh for that car.

[@Weezedog]

My current biggest complaint on basic Autopilot is that you have to constantly disengage it to change lanes and it's terrible. If you cancel via the stalk you also cancel cruise control, so you have to cancel it via turning the wheel which takes a lot of force then you have to re-enable after the lange change. It's so bad. It either needs to do the lane change for you like enhanced autopilot does or pause while the turn signal is on, then resume after completion.

[@joegibbs2508]

I have cruise on one pull, and Autopilot on 2 pulls. To lane change I use the turn signal which after a sec. disengages Autopilot, but leaves the car in cruise. So it maintains the same speed, you just have to steer into the new lane then, 1 pull puts it back into Autopilot. Not bad, but it does have me not wanting to change lanes as often as I would, if I was driving in just cruise.

[@blubaru09]

This was great. Alyssa has a knowledgeable real world perspective that is refreshing.

[@rwjr1944]

To each their own. It is good to hear someone's HONEST opinion (even if badly stated). Except for the rough ride, I am thoroughly enjoying my 2024 MYLR. With the rebates (state, local and federal) and low interest rates AND superb Tesla software.

[@georgepelton5645]

We have driven Corvettes most of our lives. The Model Y suspension delivers the same experience. The 255 mm wide tires have the same footprint as the revolutionary 1984 Corvette had, and even a bit more aggressive aspect ratio. So I am very pleased with our Y, a cargo hauler and high performance SUV in one vehicle. However as we get older, I hope the Juniper Model Y refresh has a softer, more isolated, ride. I think most mainstream buyers will also appreciate that.

[@NormalShock]

My 2024 MYP has a much better and quieter ride than the 2023 MYLR demo car I tried about 3 months previously. Yes. the Performance. (former suspension engineer)

[@BobMarley-te4dx]

I went from a 21 MYLR to a 24 MYP. The 24 rides and feels better in every way

[@NormalShock]

@ They changed something. Perhaps the engineering team or, most likely, a new team lead.

[@manuelwilson9214]

a Kia EV9 is my lease purchase.......

[@bjakub82]

Love the video and very interesting views from everyone. I bought a 2022 Y long range new (ordered in 2021 and waited 8 months). I agree with the ride quality, it could be better but mine is built solid with no squeaks or rattles. I drive 25k+ annually so while the car is only 2 1/2 years old, I have 65k miles on it. The charging, compared to the competition today needs improvement, but you just can't beat the Tesla network, it's everywhere. Im also very techy and software is VERY important to me, once again Tesla wins. I do prefer the model 3, hands down, but I need the space the Y provides on my long distance trips along with a hitch to carry my mountain bikes. It's not perfect, but for me, it very hard to beat.

[@EvMan6466]

What about Chevy equinox EV I think that’s a home run

[@dvwatts]

The Model Y is a 3 that has traded extreme driving fun for practicality. The Y gives you a hatch with a flat and low tail gate that fits almost anything and is very comfortable to sit on. Open the hatch, sit down on the shaded tail, crack a beer, call your dog up to sit next to you. Of all the Teslas you sleep most comfortably in the Y and can fit a DC fridge in the sub trunk. You can also tow up to 3,500lbs without adding an aftermarket hitch (18ft camper). I have a MYP and miss driving my M3P every day but the Y is a LOT more useful doing bigger things than the 3.

[@PGD39able]

Maybe Alyssa should look at the Volvo EX30. Oh... I know it's small and having dogs it may be too small. But Kyle was very excited when he drove it.

[@walterwareiii3164]

My wife test drove the Volvo EX30 and she liked driving it. I was surprised that I fit in the back seat, lol.

[@deranged731]

For me, I like the seating position of the Y. If the same updates as the 3 are applied to the Y it will be nearly a perfect daily driver. Just my $.02.

[@miodice3]

I think they still get the win for specs on paper and it’s still relatively early adopters that are worried about the infrastructure. My dad got an s for the range and supercharging and after 2 years he has realized he doesn’t use either and could have got basically any other EV.

[@AffableAlpaca]

Really love this long form format and it was great to hear from Alyssa! One small bit of feedback, having the TV doing inception behind Kyle is a little distracting visually, otherwise great audio and video setup.

[@vetteb96c]

I agree.

[@lm3718]

I agree

[@777Outrigger]

Tesla's about to blow everybody away with FSD and a $43,000 car. Audi, Mercedes and other German luxury cars will look so 20th Century.

[@JorJorBinks123]

Crazy that this comes out the day I get a Model Y loaner! This one has acceleration boost so it feels just as fast as a Model 3. I think it’s for the person who doesn’t care about driving dynamics, and wants a bigger model 3.

[@dianewallace6064]

Great discussion. I'm like Alyssa. My Ioniq6 is super comfortable and I don't road trip it. And it was only 38K.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

The model Y ride realy depends on the year, 2021 drives like a tank, 2023 they did improve, but not enough for me so I replaced the dampers win Tien Adjustable, that improved it but not enough so I am going for progressive springs to improve the ride even more I heard lot of 2024 owners say that model was a big improvement!

[@michaelfavis8050]

I own a 2021 model Y. It’s amazing. I needed a compact SUV. I almost purchased a BMW X3 plug in. I have only owned BMWs because of the throttle response, handling ( I like the sport suspension). I drove the model Y and I was hooked because of the acceleration, handling, and superior sound system ( way better than BMWs premium Harmon Kardon). I test drove the more expensive etron and it was not as zippy, no regen and infotainment was inferior. So happy with my decision. No rattles and the range is great.

[@HansProbs]

Yeah Im with you. Im kind of shocked at all the Model Y dislike. Its such an awesome package especially for the money right now.

[@ronrandquist7762]

@@HansProbs right, but when you are 28 years old and get to drive so many 100k+ cars all the time and you have a Model S Plaid, CyberTruck, and Audi eTron in the garage all at the same time, you can afford to look down on all the lowly people who own a Model Y and think it's the best car they have ever owned.

[@paulschilling6756]

I _wanted_ to like the model 3 as I like how it looks and had read it handles better, but I am what one might consider a tubby individual, and found the Y much easier to get in and out of. I ended up with a late ‘23 MYP and am quite pleased with the ride & handling. I had an anniversary edition ‘99 Miata (factory lowered) & also an ‘09 Acura TL Type S, and I would put the ride & handling of my MYP between those two. I do tend to prefer cars with stiffer suspension as I am prone to motion sickness, and I’ve learned over the years I do a lot better with stiffer suspensions; comfy cars with soft, cushy suspensions might as well be boats as far as my stomach is concerned & make Dramamine mandatory… …with regards to the boominess, no resonance in mine (it’s a late ‘23 Fremont build), as I understand if the bump stops on the rear hatch are not properly adjusted it can cause that resonance.

[@Usedcars1st]

Yes keep Alyssa on the podcats!

[@joshcreel2490]

I’m not buying a vehicle that “punishes” me when it thinks I’m not paying enough attention! I just got my Lightning Flash and it’s the best EV for me!

[@johnlabernik4599]

Reality check here, they are comparing a mass market EV to luxury EVs. I would argue most people driving a model Y have never driven a luxury car.

[@msmith3395]

Just got back from a trip where I rented a Model Y from Turo. My first Tesla driving experience. Aligned exactly with your comments: fast and handles well, but ride too harsh for daily driving and the NVH was fatiguing. I found that latching the unused seatbelts helped with rattles, but were others that wouldn't go away.

[@binjones]

I found that the Model Y really depends on the model year. I had a loaner that was a 2019/2020 it was less than desirable. Then I had another loaner that was a 2022/23. Much better ride and handling. We test drove a 2024 and my wife feel in love. I’m still enamored with my Model X.

[@pauliusraila5798]

Now the highland is much better than the older ones, so we just have to wait for the same upgrade to model Y, it's simple... Nice podcast, thanks 👍

[@1shotray]

I still love my ‘21 ID.4 Pro S AWD. It’s built solid no rattles German engineering oh and heated steering wheel. Never had a problem. But don’t ask me about road tripping on EA. Ft Worth to El Paso is the Wild West. 🙄

[@Robin-es3os]

Alyssa: model y is not a great car.....Me: okay which car should I get then? Alyssa: ............ A Model Y.......

[@Streeknine]

I always find it funny, they call the Model Y junk but then say.. well my mom traded that in on a Porsche. Oh must be nice. Of course Model Y is junk lol Alyssa: I liked the $129k CyberTruck. Remember, Kyle had to get a low end EV because people were complaining the EV's he was driving they couldn't afford.

[@FlashyTesla]

This man said " even pulling people's model Y's into my garage I'm just like... you guys drive this around?" 💀💀

[@boostav]

Yeah no EQG will tank hard, only way for that not to happen is if they restrict production but the demand isn't there to do so.

[@ultrastoat3298]

0:20 "That's definitely not true" lol 🤣😂💀

[@DrKellieOwczarczak]

If the car is not fun to drive, I have no interest in it. Sounds to me that the Model Y is like what a Corolla was like to me 25 years ago. I am a tech person, and I LOVE EVs, but I am also an woman that loves to drive a car or truck that is fun (and not squishy).

[@Darrenraitt]

In Australia we are getting bombarded with Chinese cars at the moment and most of them look so much better then the Y...

[@k1ngdomkid]

We have a 2022 and 2025 LR Model Y. There is a big difference in ride quality when it comes to the suspension. I do like how they improved the rear camera which is better covered to avoid getting dirty. I believe the Juniper, of course, will bring next gen technology. Love the podcast and audio sounds great!

[@PianoBoy99]

Alyssa -- The Steve A Smith of Automotive podcasts 🙂 Owning a car is multi-faceted. You have different criteria depending on the situation. She spent 50 minutes complaining about the ride quality and build quality of the model Y, but when faced with the comparison at the end with similar car models, ultimately recommended the model y in every comparison except for the Kia, for which the 800V charging won the day. I find this typical of anyone that suddenly is asked their opinion on a complex topic and sometimes the emotional response doesn't match the analytical response. She really doesn't like the MY. But analytically the MY is the best choice for many many people. For example a mustang mach-e with the PE trim has the active suspension. It's still a little firm, but it is a great ride compared to the MY. Charging curve sucks, but for an everyday driver with occasional road trip, a great car. Kia/Hyundai has great charging curve, good build quality, crappy SW. Great roadtripper. Not great if you are tall (at least for me). And then there's the intangible How does the car make you feel. I agree that the MY is cavernous. But some people love that (my son), and some hate it.

[@andrewbell8282]

I wonder if chill mode was on for that Model Y loaner, as Alyssa complained about the performance.

[@johnlabernik4599]

There are 2 safe ways to disengage FSD: 1. Tap the brake 2. Push up on the right stock. Torquing the wheel to disengage is the least safe way to disengage.

[@Resist4]

All Tesla's are curb magnets, because Tesla uses wheel packages where the rims stick out flush with the tires. But, my first Tesla was a 2018 Model 3 then in 2023 I bought a Model Y Performance and it felt so much better to me. I did replace the heavy wheels with an 18" wheel package from T Sportline. But it has more room inside and because the seats are higher up it was easier to get in and out of. Alyssa is way off base about the Model Y. There is a reason why it's the best selling car in the world. And I completely disagree about the ride quality, but then again I like a stiffer suspension to feel the road better because I'm used to driving Corvettes.