Btw, the biggest problem with this new ceo isn’t that he wants to cater to the old boys (he doesn’t) it’s that he wants Harley Davidson to be the most premium brand of motorcycle in the world, and his idea to achieve this is by simply “raising prices.” He doesn’t understand that to garner a premium price tag you must deliver a premium product. Case in point: the new Harley Nightster. Should have every feature available and make 100hp for the price they’re asking.
@rkow85082 жыл бұрын
I've owned Harley's and Japanese bikes more Hondas than anything else. I really think Harley waited to long to make a motorcycle that younger people wanted. Ashamed they didn't make the Bronx. Buell was on the right track.
@robbyclark69152 жыл бұрын
@@rkow8508 Yes, definitely. Harley is a day late and short with the new rev max platform, and now that finally made it to the party, they price it like they just invented the segment.
@budrobrookshire98812 жыл бұрын
@@rkow8508 I agree with you on the all-round best of the m0t0sycles I wood have to say of all those I have ridden & owned the ACE 1100 Shadow 98 ( first year produced) sadly for 2 yrs ONLY thanks to Harley) is by far the best I have ever had in my life. Guess that is why I am selling my 09 H/D Nightster & my 98 S model 1200 xl sporty and the money will go into the Shadow.......after all it's a HarleyOnDrugsAsshole haha stay in the wind brother Peace Out
@puffybodie5282 Жыл бұрын
Well he got it crazy wrong even based on financial results of company 🙂 What is most funny is attempt to make it product for the rich. Well either it is expensive and so well build that it stays running for 50 and more years on one engine - I think we all know they are not there 😀 Or it is expensive, failing, but is manually build and really exclusive like something from Italy - well no surprise he failed there too 😀 Actually China with Italy shows with SWM Custom V1200 Stormbreaker that you can still build Evo motor, have it air cooled, have it pass emissions and even make more power then H&D and to provide it for price of ex H&D for blue collar workers. Fun aside....they are only one making motorcycle with "soul" and relatively simple and very different engine with torque in the range where it makes sense including sound (even from M8 you can get that). All of the others are in the arena of overcomplicated engines making 100, 150, 200 horse power which you can't anyway use on the roads with that amount of traffic or amount of radars everywhere. Yep, had superbike with 150 horses, able to use them, but if anyone is honest then he/she knows the truth that it's not bike for regular traffic. But PR from vendors is great about need of having those 🙂
@CantTreadOnMe Жыл бұрын
Well now they are trying to go the way of the woke which is the worst possible route to go. Don't seem like they've fully dove in yet but they are clearly dipping their toe in and expect they will get their toe back. No they will lose a toe and if they continue this route, they will lose everything and forever destroy the Harley name. I was about to buy a 2022 Harley 48 from Harley dealer then changed to Indian Scout Rogue after seeing Harley try to bail the Bud Light Groomers out. Pushing beer on children through a lgbtq propagandist with millions of followers who have an average age of 15 is way too far and we need to reject it every time it rears it's ugly pedo head. Harley didn't do it but they are attempting to help hide the body. They are trying to normalize pedoism and already changed the term and meaning to "Maps" aka Minor attracted persons! It's already implemented on the Lgbtq flag that every corporation and Democrat is shoving down our throats on tv, in all sports, commercials, in schools and making into 4 holidays and a whole fkn month! I'm not writing Harley off, I'm just gonna be watching what they do and I hope they succeed and do what's right not trendy with Democrats.
@adolpholiverbush58672 жыл бұрын
The younger generation doesn't spend the extra coin for the brand name. Those days are almost over. If they buy a Harley it's because they like the style. They have to find a way to get costs down because Honda and Kawasaki are just a better bang for your buck.
@sentenced032 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on this almost completely. the fact the honda has everything nighster does and more at less than 10k proves the price is unnecessarily high. I love this bike and would own this bike no question, but it's hard to make a case for it when the rebel 1100 exists.
@talkingmango86582 жыл бұрын
But it’s a shitty Honda and not a shitty harley
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
Tell me you are too fat to fit on a Honda without telling me you are too fat to fit on a honda
@ohn12345672 жыл бұрын
@@talkingmango8658 Have you ridden the Rebel? Go tell Honda, the biggest, most selling motorcycle manufacturer ever, that their bike sucks lol
@talkingmango86582 жыл бұрын
@@ohn1234567 if it’s not in America it’s irrelevant
@Leviathane2 жыл бұрын
@@talkingmango8658 the rebel 1100 is selling much better in NA than this bike ever will
@aliasfakename22672 жыл бұрын
I'm Canadian and couldn't see ever owning a Harley, waaaay to expensive up here. I'm happy with my Honda at 1/4 the price
@wubstepgrandma2 жыл бұрын
1/4? You must have something nice. My Honda was low miles well cared for and clean and cost 1200. What's better is that as a 1979 cb650 it's an even comparison to your average sporty both in power and in technology lol
@leftlanelanny47072 жыл бұрын
Most bikes are cheaper and better in nearly every measurable sense than Harley. But if a Harley is what you want, nothing else will cut it. Plain and simple.
@ohherewegoagain2 жыл бұрын
Tell me is Honda goldwings cheap?
@sunnibird2 жыл бұрын
If they take about 30% off their prices I’d consider one.
@wubstepgrandma2 жыл бұрын
@@ohherewegoagain I mean yeah you can get an old one running like a top for 2 grand, and even brand new. A dct loaded wing is 25k a CVO similar is 45k... I'd call the wing cheap
@Oddman1980 Жыл бұрын
I found a '23 nightster (not nightster special) on sale for $12k. I bought it, and a pillion seat for it. It's smoooooth. It corners like it's on rails, and it turns in instantly. The headlight is blinding. It doesn't sound like a "typical" harley, and it won't wake the neighbors. It feels like I'm riding a swiss watch.
@cefalife34672 жыл бұрын
8:00 welp, in my country, A Iron883 cost over 24,000 US dollar to purchase, and forty-eight cost 27,000 US dollar looks like the people who ridding Harley are the real wealthy millionaire lmao I don't know why everyone crying about Harley are expensive as hell, in my view, they're cheap as the supercub made by honda fun fact the supercub 110 cost 4000 dollar in my place
@collinherold80472 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind a nightster or a sportster S. The biggest issue is price. I could get my pick of any of Yamaha's MTs, or even a different muscle cruiser. Harley needs to get their pricing in check if they want to sell to younger riders. Harley's heritage is mainly to do with flat tracking, which hardly anybody knows about, and building bikes for a world war. They need to make bikes for everyone.
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
Remember the $$$$$$ that’s coming from cosplay.... triumph does it too.... are there Honda/Yamaha cosplay costumes outside of the motogp style ?
@victoriazero88692 жыл бұрын
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 AFAIK they really don't sell such liveries at all. You want MotoGP apparel you buy actual suits or helmet from the brand. Only the bikes have "pay to advertise" paintjob.
@michaelconran52522 жыл бұрын
I agree, they need to bring the prices down for entry level Harleys. I love my Softail, but that isn't a beginner bike when it comes to price. Hard to get someone to be loyal to your brand if the cost of admission is to high.
@Portuducks2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they just needed to upgrade the Evo. The new Sportster still looks good, just not classic enough.
@collinherold80472 жыл бұрын
@@Portuducks they'll probably make a classic edition or something and charge 5k more.
@David-fd6db2 жыл бұрын
Harley is trying to slowly move in the direction that Erik Buell was trying to take them in years ago. His forward thinking was a decade ahead of everyone else
@SHSPVR2 жыл бұрын
@@geraldscott4302 Get off your high horse as HD is not attracting new riders that's what counts, and price it dose plays major role in this as a new rider is more likely to get financed with Honda Rebel 1100 $9.4k hundred versus a Harley Nightster $13.5k when there's a big gap in overall price of almost 6k in overall differences by adding in dealer handling, freight charges, state tax's, plate license and so on, As for Eril Buell he didn't failed the problem was prices of the bikes back then where to high he could not compete in any market.
@nickvangorden25682 жыл бұрын
As a rebel fan the Rebel also has customizable rider modes (like the sporter s) plus it has a storage compartment and cruise for 10k. Life of Burch did a good comparison. I forget which channel but I saw a channel compare the fit and finish on the sporsters, sporster s, and nighster. Nightster has a 15k tag for rebel build quality. Plastic panels and turn signals that even the sporsters didn't have.
@magmafist2 жыл бұрын
Just unboxed mine yesterday. First Nightster of Thailand I had a test ride on May 7th to make sure I made the right decision Handles like a Rebel 500 -extremely light weight and low center of gravity More nimble than a Rebel 1100 engine was very fun, more fun than Sportster S (try it and you'll understand) Just take 10 minutes to get used to the throttle and you only need to stay in Sport mode Road are OK in traffic, where Rain mode is unnecessary Brake not impressive, needs a hard pull to stop (Rebel 1100 has better brake feels) Suspension is comfortable. More rear suspension travel than Sportster S She will be delivered to my garage next week
@johngrimm4522 жыл бұрын
Harley lost me as a loyal customer when the chrome bezel on the starter vibrated of, A known problem on the bike I found out after it fell off. It was not just cosmetic you needed it to turn off and on the bike without plyers. When I went to the dealer to purchase a new bezel they told my a needed to buy a $200 assembly and they no longer sold the $20 bezel. With that news I put up my center finger and in a commanding voice in front of many customers and said F#@! Harley Davidson. I fabricated a bezel out aluminum and dremal tool. Sold the softail and bought a vintage triumph and KLR and having more motorcycle fun with more cash in my pocket.
@cscheatum2 жыл бұрын
As a previous 2010 Nightster owner, I would just like to say, I think HD literally took in all the old sportsters that were traded in, popped out the old engines and replaced with the new one, and are now selling it as a “New” Nightster. The price tag is unbelievable.
@y35n00b52 жыл бұрын
Most of the manufacturing cost is because the bikes are made here. The day I see someone here willing to lay off that workforce and tell those people and their families "hey at least the bikes are cheaper to buy now" is the day I'll agree. Buying domestic comes with pros and cons. But I'm willing to bet my pay check no one here is willing to do what I said.
@CourtlandMiller19942 жыл бұрын
I agree. That being said they could be a bit more competitively priced. They can’t really be the same general price point as some of those imports, but they could be a bit more approachable in price regardless. They’d probably sell more of those bikes as well. But you’re right, american made is going to be reflected in the price, no matter what.
@kleinbottled792 жыл бұрын
Those people will also lose their jobs if Harely can't sell enough bikes. I personally wouldn't mind paying more to buy American made; if I could buy an American bike that wasn't resting on it's laurels so hard. For decades all they've done is rehash retro iron. Glad to see them start to try newish things more recently, but they need some real innovation to bring in new customers. Sportier models. Hit the gym Harley, you are overweight and out of shape, you can't compete like that.
@larryhouse37762 жыл бұрын
America standardized the assembly line over 100 years ago making Fords affordable. Harleys only done everything wrong to drive their prices up. That's on them. I don't care who puts the thing together, if a machine can do it cheaper, let a machine do it.
@larryhouse37762 жыл бұрын
And P.S. They're assembled here, the parts come from all over. alot of electronics are Chinese or Mexican, the suspension is Japanese. Engine components from austria, brakes and clutch from Italy. They're nothing special as some glorified "American" machine. They simply aren't anymore.
@ChrisG13922 жыл бұрын
Meh. They moved production out of the US too so I mean good to a point but they aren't patriotic
@mattbroussard74092 жыл бұрын
Yamster, you are spot on with your price analysis!!! That is exactly what I was thinking when this bike launched!! They would sell the old EVO bikes like crazy at those prices!!!
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
They don’t want those riders - they don’t want a rider who buys a good value motorcycle and gets gear at cycle gear- they want their customers to spend more , and only with them. Harley/Ducati/triumph are looking at getting the “lifestyle” dollars more than others -Indian a little too.
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
How could I forget bmw as well... duh
@mattbroussard74092 жыл бұрын
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 Yeah you have a good point. Why can't they just have both? If they would have structured themselves with lower priced bikes they could be cleaning up this summer with the insane gas prices but instead those young entry level riders are buying Honda Rebels and Royal Enfields. I know 2 guys personally. And yes they are buying their gear at Cycle Gear!
@noelwaterman60212 жыл бұрын
Hey spite, I bought the new nightster as a first bike and the big thing I like is metric cruiser performance but ergonomics that fit my american size but waiting for break in to be finsh to give my full recommendation. Love from Michigan
@orangeliger2 жыл бұрын
HD desperately needs a bike under 10k
@FirinMahLazer12 жыл бұрын
You're not wrong. Why not have a low cost bike to get people into the brand and keep them there? Exactly why I didn't get an 883 as my first bike. Everyone telling me I'm going to drop it so I'd rather drop my $5k Rebel and not a $11k 883. And now that I'm ready for a bigger bike I have to spend $11k to get the "baby Harley" and still have to upgrade from there.
@ravenovatechnologies65542 жыл бұрын
I just cherish yammie's outtros, and little "commercials". They're just gold. Stay golden papa yam. Legitimately I ENJOY binge watching yammie noob. There's just not many channels I will always stop watching something else to watch, except this and a few others.
@davidbreen47272 жыл бұрын
i love the looks of a Harley. i really do. but being poor, and bad credit, i have no desire to own a Harley. i like my Honda Rebel 500. it looks good liquid cooled, runs fast enough for a 67 year old man like me. and i don't have to do a loose part check everytime i want to ride to Daytona. buying quality over name brand works for me.
@S.R.Productions2 жыл бұрын
Buell in the early 2000s was harley trying to move to different crowds. I meet so many people that don't want to believe that my 04 buell xb12s is a harley davidson sport bike. Yes it was designed by buell, but harley still provided the helping hand in funding and giving a engine that can be made of use for buell. If harley stayed with buell, and branched out with buell in terms of making different types of bikes. We would have gotten a sportster S 3 to 10 years ago. Harley is having a hard time of trying to widen their company now as they dropped buell that was their shield. Buell allowed harley to have a bike under them that was outside of their category, and in my opinion, they were a success.
@briansmith30112 жыл бұрын
I’m intrigued by the duality of HD, simultaneously the #1 brand in the US, yet somehow on the edge of collapse for the last decade plus.
@ChrisG13922 жыл бұрын
Thus why they're releasing these bikes to target the younger crowd
@sunsinger9702 жыл бұрын
Harley has always been close to falling apart from the inside out. They live on that edge.
@Argosh2 жыл бұрын
That's what economic intervention does. The company is rotten to the core but propped up artificially by the government.
@ganuvien2 жыл бұрын
They rely on overpriced merchandise and service work pretty much.
@megaFAUCET Жыл бұрын
Honestly if the Nightster's price matched the bike more it'd be perfect for me, specifically the Nightster Special. I threw a leg over one at my local dealer and fell in love. The digital dash is gorgeous, it has a ton of techy features, I love the look, and the position felt super comfortable. But 15 big ones for a bike with the plastics and build quality of a used Rebel? Pass
@ssmart57012 жыл бұрын
I own a Harley and a handful of other bikes, as an American I hope they evolve....quickly. Other manufacturer offer like products and 100 different styles at a fraction of the price. They hold ... well cruiser, bar hopper, touring ect.. however there is an undying culture that seem to be growing internationally. Harley holds hardass icon like no other. How cool would it be to see HD make a sport bike again (buell) and get in the electronics game? Love the noise, lose the weight, get those rpms create smiles and a new generation of rider that WILL navigate to the older more Mature bike from the same manufacturer in the upper years of life. Mix it up... make a V4
@Tysoreny2 жыл бұрын
A Harley sport bike would be so cool
@doc2w5342 жыл бұрын
I never had any interest in HD until Project LiveWire. Then the Sportster S and Pan America came out and the ride experience really blew me away. I don’t mind the classic Harley style and want those customers to have their needs met. The classic bikes aren’t for me but these new bikes actually get me excited so I bought stock in the company to help see it forward. I am rooting for the Bronx. What a machine that can be!
@toofastnobrakes2 жыл бұрын
I want the Bronx so badly. But I would honestly settle for a modern version of the XR 1200 made out of the current sportster S. make it taller, give it mids or rear sets standard, steeper rake, and dual disc brakes 👌. I can honestly live with the 160 front tire despite the drawbacks. It gives it a good style
@theKongW2 жыл бұрын
Agree with you. New flat track style with that new motor for a decent price and I would buy one today.
@wyattl.13706 ай бұрын
Have yall seen the ftr that's been released since? It's an Indian
@toofastnobrakes6 ай бұрын
@@wyattl.1370 yeah it’s been around for a minute. Including the version on 17’s. It’s badass. Just wish Harley would try to get a piece of the action. They have perfect motor for it
@Damiv2 жыл бұрын
I'd take a Rebel over the Nightster anyday. Cheaper, more reliable, better features, etc. Also +1 for the SkillUp reference.
@mik74032 жыл бұрын
You have to admit the revival of some of the older brands Triumph,Indian, Benelli,Royal Enfield etc. Albeit Asian built, many have TC, slipper clutch, adjustable suspension and rider modes for a lot less money. Not to mention the usual Japanese and Euro competition. Has to be pinching HD a little. Also a companies failures are not the consumers fault . I own 2 Harley’s and love them but I also own 4 Japanese bikes and love them as well.
@Jeranhound2 жыл бұрын
I think the Sportster S looks pretty nice, and I'm glad they're using the engine in more than just the PanAm after throwing away the bronx. The Nightster looks like they strapped a leaf blower to the side of it.
@scorpionunit98522 жыл бұрын
i never even care about what the stock exhaust on a bike looks like. because, lets be fair, who under the age of 73 keeps the stock exhaust on their bike for more than like 6 months at the most?
@franktaylor79782 жыл бұрын
The bronx is still coming. I can feel it.
@Ineedtotakeabreak2 жыл бұрын
@@scorpionunit9852 Most people.
@scorpionunit98522 жыл бұрын
@@Ineedtotakeabreak the only harleys I have seen with stock exhaust in last few years have been at the dealer. I hade pipes ordered before the bike went home
@mastershifu6566 Жыл бұрын
Papa Yams I have a 2023 Harley-Davidson nightstar you guys need to come test drive it. Make a video offering the bike to you. I think it's a blast. Thanks!
@mastershifu6566 Жыл бұрын
Yammie noob let's do it
@Aaronkt2 жыл бұрын
My personal opinion is that Harley Davidson are capable of making good bikes in any market segment they choose to , but when they make bikes that aren't catering to their typical demographic they don't do so well.
@alcarney11228 ай бұрын
I just purchased a 2024 Nightster/Sportster 975 .My is Rock Red
@theKongW2 жыл бұрын
I looked at the Harley website after watching this. I think all the bikes are pricey for what they are. There are some good used bikes out there if you are looking for a slow American cruiser. Nightster looks good. Agree on your pricing model.
@kevinmiller43122 жыл бұрын
Let’s put it like this: when I went into a Harley dealership about a year ago looking for my first bike, if an 883 was at $7k, I would’ve rode out on it. I think the biggest thing Harley could do right now would be a 975 Pan-Am for $13k-ish. They would absolutely blow T7s out of the market. But, I don’t see that happening. They seem to be stuck overcharging us just to have that HD logo on the tank.
@victoriazero88692 жыл бұрын
13 is way too little for any adventure bike of this level no matter the brand. I can see then 15 or 18, but over 18 is too much.
@kevinmiller43122 жыл бұрын
@@victoriazero8869 13 would put it just a little more than the T7 at 10 and the Aprillia Tuareg 660 at 12 but it’s a little more powerful than those two. Also, it would be under the Tiger 900 at 15 which would be the closest competitor. Remember, we’re not talking full size flagship, it would be more towards a middleweight.
@horuslupercal38722 жыл бұрын
Pan Am 975 appears to be being worked on by the leaks I really hope 10-12k starting price for the base
@jonathanreynolds17122 жыл бұрын
Yammie, Spite, Whitney, Josh. Ride a Honda Fury. Do mods. I do not think you will be disappointed. Give it a shot.
@Lemmon714_2 жыл бұрын
I’m getting a Harley soon. Does Harley teach you how to ride around looking constantly pissed off or do you have to take the class somewhere else? When I get mine, I definitely want to have the Harley rider look so that everyone will know how tough I am. Where do I get an application for the 81’s? I would like to try them out. Thanks
@juanaguilar74582 жыл бұрын
When you wear a half helmet you either relax your face and the wind blows your cheeks up like :8 or you engage the face muscles. Look silly or look mean.
@j.moto34352 жыл бұрын
I'm sticking with my used Harley and will pass on the nightster. So many bikes out there. I'm also an air-cooled traditionalist. I do most of the maintenance myself. I'm also sticking with my proven Japanese naked sportbike with rear sets (MT-09). No overpriced American sport cruisers with forward or mid controls.
@ELTALIBANEASTLA2 жыл бұрын
I’m so confused brother??
@Deved892 жыл бұрын
@@ELTALIBANEASTLA he likes both I think
@kjmdrumz311 ай бұрын
The Rebel also loses value far faster than the HD and doesn’t come with belt drive, cruise, or heated grips.
@MrBrown-br7sh2 жыл бұрын
Waiting for HD to make bikes that don't placate the knuckle-draggers is like waiting for YN to buy a CBR500 and a Royal Enfield as personal bikes.
@uneasyr1der2 жыл бұрын
The changes at Harley are good, but they keep missing the boat with a low cost, low displacement introductory bike for beginners - people new to both riding and owning the brand. I would love to see a 700cc flat tracker style bike, like the Indian FTR or Ducati Scrambler. Something classic and simple but fun and easy to ride, that harks back to their racing days, and costs less than $8K USD (all in) brand knew! Gotta think like McDonald's, hook 'em when they're young with a Happy Meal . . .
@monkmoto18872 жыл бұрын
I love McDonald’s…
@Carlisho2 жыл бұрын
@@monkmoto1887 them fries got no competition
@peterwilson80392 жыл бұрын
The street twins were Harley's attempt at that. The basic bike was, I think well-designed, if not particularly exciting. I think they did a great job with the aesthetics, but they hobbled it with ergonomics that made it too uncomfortable for most people to want to ride. (I know some folks loved it.) It would have been easy to fix the wonky ergos, but Harley chose to let it die. My suspicion is that it died in the dealerships because the dealers didn't want to sell it. Could it be that the reason that Nightster is more expensive than the competition is because they carry a larger dealer markup. Maybe Harley needs the dealers to get excited about selling it.
@JA-zh5xi2 жыл бұрын
Those bikes don’t sell for Harley.
@uneasyr1der2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I know this is never going to happen. Harley has made it clear by promoting themselves as an exclusive "premium" brand - while still pumping the blue collar outlaw image - that they're not interested in creating an entry level bike. Their one attempt with the Street 500/750 didn't go well, which weren't bad bikes at all, but just as @Peter Wilson said, the ergonomics were terrible - especially with the feet placement/controls. However, nobody is going to learn to ride on a 800 lb., 106 HP, $30K bagger. That's what Honda is for! 😆
@johnparfait17892 жыл бұрын
Having owned and rode many different brands and styles of bikes I can say I didn’t get excited about anything Harley-Davidson until they announced the Sportster S, and as soon as I had a chance to ride one it was everything anybody could expect and more. I enjoyed it so much I bought a brand new 2022 sportster S, and I’ve been absolutely loving it. It’s comfortable,head turning,and completely stock I can keep up with almost any other bikes on the road (like my friends modified 2017 GSXR 600) in the curves and straights. People are always going to find something to complain about,but I believe Harley-Davidson is doing amazing things to prepare for the future. Now if only someone at the motor company can relay the message to make the sportster S have the same power numbers as the pan America
@Wayseeker2 жыл бұрын
I rode the Nightster when the Harley demo truck came to a local dealership last weekend. I had previously taken a Sportster S out about 2 months prior during a dealership demo. I think Spite's prediction mirrored a lot of what I experienced: a more traditionally setup Sportster with a lot of the advantages of the new architecture (a Sportster non-S?) that is better than the previous generation, but also way too expensive. It cornered better than the Sportster S which I owed to the slimmer front wheel, though obviously it wasn't as quick off the line. The rear suspension also felt stiffer than the Sportster S, but the stock mid-controls felt better to me as a shorter rider. Ultimately I thought it was a nice $10k bike whose main problem is that it costs almost $4000 more than that. As far as Harley's future goes, I think they are heading in the right direction, but they do have to overcome the momentum of decades of a culture they admittedly encouraged. Their biggest competition is their own used market, and their pricing structure will continue to make gains slower because of it.
@stevetaylor92652 жыл бұрын
We need a 600-700 motorcycle that is affordable. I would buy one today if it was 7000$ or less. Something I can drive down a dirt road to work and not feel bad about it.
@ganuvien2 жыл бұрын
The Street line failed miserably and was cheapish.....
@kelinator20002 жыл бұрын
So I'm can't talk about the company's current products or confirm any future product, but the general chatter and thought process is that Livewire will become the cheaper foreign built company with the current Livewire stuff being built in the US till the factories in Taiwan can be made and contracts written. While Harley motorcycles proper will be the Luxury Made in America brand of the two. This has been the general hinting that Harley PR has been giving in its recent press releases. Nothing is certain yet
@FrankOsman2 жыл бұрын
I DID NOT expect to see a SkillUp reference on this channel. One of my favorite channels on KZbin and what a surprise.
@HD2O13XL12OOC2 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that I generally don't like this channel but I will like this particular video thank you Yammy
@michaelsisk59382 жыл бұрын
I bought this. bike on Memorial Day as an impulse buy. I basically traded even in trading my 2019 Indian Chief Darkhorse, much better interest rate and my monthly payment is a $70/month less. I looked at the Honda 1100 Rebel, but I like the styling of the Nightster better. The bike has its own personality. I use to own a Ducati 696 Monster. Once the rear suspension was set to my weight, I find this bike performs like my Ducati. The front brake is great, but the rear bike is average. I prefer the Road mode-very smooth. Many people say this bike is to be ridden at 7,000 rpm for best performance. I disagree, I tested the bike in Road mode and I went from 60 mph to 100 mph in a matter of seconds with a very smooth transition. My only complaint is the engine heat at idle-very warm. My mechanic recommended that I use Motul 7100 full synthetic oil. The bike runs better on this oil and will not break down or overheat compared to regular oil. This bike is 350 pounds lighter than my Indian Chief Darkhorse and when I rode The Tail of the Dragon it was a blast to ride. The front suspension when you hit a pot hole is groin painful. I have added the engine guard, Kuryakyn Highway Pegs, drink holder, new shift peg, passenger seat and the Nelson Rigg 1060 Tour tail bag. It now looks like a proper cruiser with the performance of a sport bike.
@michaelconran52522 жыл бұрын
I am a Harley guy, I do own and ride other brands, but most would say I am a Harley guy. Harley has to change and make better, performance wise, bikes. For me my 107CI Softail Street Bob is perfect for me, even for long, long rides. If I was going to buy a touring bike, HD would not be on the list. Indian Challenger or Goldwing would be the way I would go. Harley needs to bring down prices on their entry level bikes if they want to attract younger buyers to their brand. You can't be loyal to a brand if the cost of admission is to high. My wife and I might, at most, have a new Harley each left in us. They need to start catering to riders that have 5 or 6 bikes left in them, not me. They need to think about what kids entering the motorcycle world can afford. I just dropped $20K for my new Harley, what 18 year old can do that for a toy? I know when I was 18 the 883 Sportster was out of my price range.
@musclebiker99972 жыл бұрын
Die hard Harley fanboy not gonna lie and I'm proud of it. I can't wait to see what's going to be new with Harley. I want the Sportster S but if they come out with a rev max type engine for the Softail. HD take my money!
@tonyperkis95612 жыл бұрын
You high vis too bro.
@joshuabeane66422 жыл бұрын
Imagine reviewing a bike you’ve never rode.
@AirohThird2 жыл бұрын
I like Harley heritage, but I also love the new things they are putting out. I ride a CBR 650R and love it, but right now one of my favorite bikes in terms of aesthetics is the Sportster S and I wish they sold the LiveWire in Brazil for me to get one. I really liked and would love to own the LiveWire, the Sportster S and the Pan America
@filoIII2 жыл бұрын
For that much bread, should be dual front discs at a MINIMUM.
@thestevedoughtyshow274 күн бұрын
I went to look at a 2024 Nightster. The special in color is more. I bought the Honda Rebel 1100, and it was under 11,000. Out the door. It's a great bike,it handles well, it's very fast as well. I'm not a newbe, I started riding when I was 10, and I'm 68 now. The Honda was a better bang for the buck. You can buy a name or a bike that will give you years of trouble-free service. The choice is yours.
@stevenguajardo60492 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, give me the sport mode only, at a $12,000 starting price.
@rickbradshaw21482 жыл бұрын
The feature cuts you suggest aren’t cost cuts at all. Ride modes are software. They don’t cost anything. It’s a value add feature. Second, adding a less expensive clutch system would cost more even if It that seems counter intuitive (it’s an integration challenge which would require more testing, development, and time). Third, due to supply chain issues, manufacturing overseas is no longer the silver bullet. In fact, continuing to invest in domestic manufacturing will be cheaper in the long run. Fourth, the price. It’s not as expensive as it seems. If you take an Indian Scout and add a led headlight and a taller shock, the prices are darn near the same. Fifth, Harley won’t raise the price for at least two years. So the have to factor in 2024 pricing at release. Six, Harley has shifted to make to order vs make to stock. The plan is to sell every model at a margin and recoup R&D by year 3. Oh and seven, the Iron 1200 is discontinued so stop including it in your videos. Good bye. Lol
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
Time will tell.
@edwardkeeter7622 жыл бұрын
"Nice try, Harley." said the same price/more powerful/cooler looking Indian FTR1200 that's been in production since 2019.
@kleinbottled792 жыл бұрын
The music made listening to Spite suffer through the bargaining stage of Harley-grief bearable. (Chopin is pretty amazing like that.)
@bazerkerx4 ай бұрын
You should do a ride review on these now that they've been out a couple years and refined. Ive got 3200 miles on my 24 special and shes a treat. The rebel was the only real competition for this and the nightster just feels so much better.
@Chieflywaze3 ай бұрын
Dude, HD should be begging you to to be a consultant in their marketing department! The price structures you stated are spot on!! Of course there's the evil accounting department who always rain on the parades of sales volume!!
@Argosh2 жыл бұрын
How the hell do you get only 90hp out of almost a liter of displacement?
@johnkluge34212 жыл бұрын
That is water cooled. Air cooled sure, but water cooled is terrible
@Argosh2 жыл бұрын
@@johnkluge3421 at this point I assume there's a hamster living in there who actually cranks the shaft.
@jarthur1369 Жыл бұрын
they need to do 2024 new dyna with the rev 1250. I think it would sell
@peterwilson80392 жыл бұрын
Life of Burch rode the Nightster and liked it a lot. He liked it better than the Sportster S. He said it just worked better. Like you though, he felt that the price makes it a non-competitive option unless you really need to have a Harley. Apparently, on top of the list price, and a bunch of extra fees, fairly standard in the industry, you now have to pay an extra surcharge if you want to take one home. But then I don't think I've ever seen a Harley where my first thought is "Boy, what a great deal for the money!"
@LuLu-kd8fd2 жыл бұрын
Neither the sportster s or nightster are worth that price tag. And after fees, the nightster is going to be 15k~. Just buy an ftr1200 and keep a couple grand in your pocket.
@rickosborne65212 жыл бұрын
Right? I recently traded a touring Harley for a new FTR 1200 S and absolutely love it. Sure, it's not as comfy, but I've ridden the sportster S and while I think it'd be a close race, I'm too tall for the Sporster S, it was really uncomfortable. Thought about going Pan-Am, but I literally could've bought 2 FTRs for the price.
@michaelhughes5112 жыл бұрын
I’m a rider from Ohio and I agree with most of the video. But at least in the Midwest us as in gen z reallly care about bikes being made here. In any local meet the American made vehicles get all of the attention. Perhaps it’s a republican thing to desire things made in America im not sure
@ganuvien2 жыл бұрын
If Yamaha could make a proper bolt with MT10/MT09 or Tenere1200 motor it would be a nice metric cruiser.
@ChrisTurnerPhotographer2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos guys, but an “honest review” when you haven’t ridden the bike?
@charles-ul9uo2 жыл бұрын
the nightster is as visionary as the v rod. they will sell some but not enough.
@who30332 жыл бұрын
but the vrod was actually good
@mavericksgarage93602 жыл бұрын
My eyeballs change shape every time I see what they price these Rev Max bikes at...
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
Not to mention it’s hard to find all the problems on new engines- it takes a couple years of the public ownership to find faults and upgrades.
@Carlisho2 жыл бұрын
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 the engine cant even start properly, thats a red flag right of the bat
@ninji52262 жыл бұрын
The ftr from Indian is awesome but a little too quirky for most (and pricey). The Bronx managed to look modern, muscular, and badass without being weird. Maybe HD is waiting for that to catch on or die to decide on the Bronx. That's still the only HD bike I was ever interested in and I doubt I'm alone in that thought.
@alexkelly81312 жыл бұрын
You can thank Indian for decent new Harleys .
@FlatxIsxJustice2 жыл бұрын
Got to demo the Nightster last Saturday! Biggest take away was the gearing and how hard it pulled. Hit 55 in first gear?!? On a cruiser!?
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
We need more info ? Do you own a Harley now ? Did you like it to do the actual math on getting one ? What did you think of how it came stock ?
@FlatxIsxJustice2 жыл бұрын
@@stubbingtonmarigold3032 i dont own one nor have I. was more interested in a low rider st, but the dealer quoted me a loan for 25k on a low rider S which has an msrp of 17.5k lmao, dont think im buying a bike from that specific harley dealer
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
Jesus. 25k ... two used motorcycles
@RaijinTheThunder2 жыл бұрын
Last year at the IMS, I spoke to a Harley rep about the Pan Am before I went on a test ride. He said they were definitely planning a 1250 in a touring frame.
@jeanbouchard53242 жыл бұрын
That Skillup bit took me by surprise, he’s probably my favorite gaming KZbinr 🙂
@stubbingtonmarigold30322 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand who the 975 is for, have you heard how it sounds ? Gas tank under the seat. It’s got stuff that I doubt current Harley riders want - and who do you think is willing to pay that much extra to be on a Harley? They are talking a price that is above a more traditional Indian, a Z900rs, a speed twin, rebel 1100 ( I put Honda last because it’s definitely more nerdy looking with that wimpy exhaust ) 13.5k for what ? To be laughed at by Harley, Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Indian and probably Suzuki riders.... I don’t picture this ending well.
@coolhandpuke37802 жыл бұрын
That was a cracker of a “ review/ and your thoughts “.You blokes have definitely evolved into one of my go to places for bike information. Also the silly stuff is entertaining but the right balance seems easy for the Chanel. Enjoying the content, cheers from Australia
@leewolf64342 жыл бұрын
Before I started riding I was into muscle bikes and thought I’d be a cruise type rider. But after I started riding I’ve ended up as another naked enthusiast 🤣
@chuckvt51964 ай бұрын
I bought a 2022 Nightster with 610 miles on it for $7999 from a dealer. I think that makes it a great deal!
@RickyBobber2 жыл бұрын
Good vid, Spite. You're quite the wordsmith.
@itachi15402 жыл бұрын
I have a 2009 nightster i'd let you ride for a video if you want to compare them. just depends on distance.
@Liger_Soba2 жыл бұрын
Another graceful day of yammie noob content. :>
@donshell93582 жыл бұрын
They need to make a version of the bronx with a full fairing. If there was ever an engine that needed to be hidden behind a fairing, it's the rev-max
@xCosmonautical2 жыл бұрын
I'd love a Bronx but I have a feeling it wouldn't be competitively priced. I bought an 883 as a first bike a few months ago and it's fine but the ergos ended up being not what I'm looking for. If HD doesn't want to branch out and make a naked bike, I'm looking elsewhere for a second bike. They can watch Indian scoop up all of their sales with the FTR
@Bahlzeron2 жыл бұрын
One of the best parts about an evo Sportster is pretty much everything can be changed rather easily.... foward, mid, mid-forward, or rearsets can be easily obtained. Bars and risers too, everything from clip-ons to ape hangers to drag bars. Seats are easy to change as well. Get wrenching, make your bike unique.... make it YOURS
@stewartdillard71992 жыл бұрын
@@Bahlzeron here is the crazy thing, while Harley is 1/3 of the American market is only represents 4% of ww bike sales. There is a much wider range of aftermarket offerings for Hondas than Harleys
@Bahlzeron2 жыл бұрын
@@stewartdillard7199 I was only referring to the Evo Sportster... I'm not that much of a Harley fan. Though I am glad to see them make something competitive in a broader market, would be good for the company if they pulled thier heads out of thier asses and price thier bikes more appropriately (but that would mean they make less profit per bike... and they can't have that, greed is the downfall of so many things). Torn on what I would add next to the stable...ZX6, Vaquero, Concourse or Goldwing. But first have an old KZ550 that needs.... alot of love.
@trainermanny2 жыл бұрын
I have had several sports bikes in my 20s to young 30s. Still have an older R6. But now that I'm in my late 30s I have 2 Harleys in my garage and I will never look back. I have my decked out Sportster for cruising and a Road King to tour and group ride. As a personal opinion, Harley is just the way to go as you get older and your riding style changes.
@MrMystang922 жыл бұрын
I think of Harley designed a more cafe/flat tracker build in the 8-10k range for entry level build with like 55-60hp it would sell a lot of bikes. Also make it under 435lbs wet weight. Take the husqurvana approach with the 401 platform
@ChrisG13922 жыл бұрын
$14 grand we are laughing
@dakarpsi2 жыл бұрын
I just bought one on Tuesday, rode it to work Tuesday night and Wednesday, it wouldn't start at lunch time, had to Uber home and call the dealership Thursday morning. They say it was a wire not plugged in well on the motor, everything else seems okay
@robbyclark69152 жыл бұрын
I am perfectly fine with paying more for a Harley than a Honda, I do it all the time anyway. However, I will not pay THIS MUCH MORE for this bike over the rebel 11oo. It’s too much……by a couple grand. It should be $12k max and $14k out the door…..max. But it will be much more than that. That’s just too much for me, and I just paid $20k for my last Harley. As far as the Bronx. I think it will be out this year, next year at the latest and I’m getting one…..hopefully. I want a 1250 Bronx though, no 975s for me.
@adamg72702 жыл бұрын
I was only half paying attention, saw the cockpit view clips and thought 'wow, harley finally made in instrument cluster i could with' ...then i noticed the Suzuki emblem :)
@ChillGrk6112 жыл бұрын
Thank you with the pricing recommendation. I was expecting to see the pricing to be lower also.
@mint88rx8 Жыл бұрын
I dont understand why you titled this video as a review if you have never ridden the bike.
@danielcatalan41482 жыл бұрын
I hate the pricess in my country are so absourd this bike cost 34K and that is too much.
@aliasfakename22672 жыл бұрын
I feel your pain in Canada
@murakumo332 жыл бұрын
@@aliasfakename2267 yeah prices for bikes and especially insurance in ontario is some straight up bullshit
@andypants10002 жыл бұрын
Harley keeps trying to put themselves down as premium but they just arent. I fucking love my harleys, but when you're charging, outside of america at least, up to 15k USD more than any other brand and still using bargain bin 30 year old parts because "our customers just replace them anyways?" Give me a break. Bling that shit out or drop the price.
@jorgecarlosrojasgonzalez62202 жыл бұрын
in Mexico the cost is the same direct from the dealer in USA so it’s not imposible, I have a 2018 iron 1200 and an old Yamaha 600 and I can’t wait to try the new motor before they broke and close all stores here:(
@nathanmortenson9144 ай бұрын
The Nightster will be the Dynabro's bike of the future. Probably won't gain popularity till after it's discounted.
@learningbuilding Жыл бұрын
Preciate your content! I’m looking forward to getting my first bike this weekend 🎉 any advice for 1st time riders?
@kevinschermerhorn8442 жыл бұрын
They need to build on the sucess of the RE Himalayan and make a HD 883 Appalachian. I own a Himalayan, and the rumble makes me want a Harley. But I can lean my bike without scraping the pegs. I can also have a pilion without having to buy a seat. There is still a market for simple air and oil cooled bikes.
@ecast71352 жыл бұрын
With all the test ride reviews and comparisons lately (AWESOME), when are the 2022 model 1000cc liter bikes coming up for reviews and comparisons???
@steveloy82732 жыл бұрын
I have a 2006 custom 883. I love it. I also have a 2016 Triumph America LT. I love it. The biggest difference for me is ,the Triumph revs so much higher. And the suspension is some much better. And the Triumph doesn't vibrate me to death. I would like to know . If Harley could make a 650 revolution motor. And how much HP , could it have. I'm getting older and would like to get a litter motorcycle, that got 70+ miles to the gallon. Thanks for the video Keep riding
@LARGO1252 жыл бұрын
They already have a 750 and a 500 Revolution motor from the street series.
@HDR202 жыл бұрын
Everyone keeps saying that they are trying to get younger buyers in and that is why they are changing but what i see in the midwest is 20 and 30 years olds riding baggers
@hyeGUY252 жыл бұрын
The made in Vietnam handle bars have a recall on it now for welds breaking off. Please make it all in the USA and keep the prices high. Worst part is I just got one a few days ago & just found out.
@F1JV Жыл бұрын
It’s one continuous bar…where are the welds?
@F1JV Жыл бұрын
Curious…is the channel going to do a ride-review of the Nightster or Nightster Special? I think a lot of people would be interested…myself included.
@TheRpggamer912 жыл бұрын
a comparison with the new indian scout rougue is in order, would really like to hear your opinion!