Andrew Doyle - The Dangers of 'Wokeness' | Real Talk with Zuby

[@richalderson6069]

Andrew Doyle is both massively funny and a serious thinker as well, great to see the two of you making contact.

[@psychologyrelated538]

Andrew doyle is underrated, always enjoy to listening to him

[@psychologyrelated538]

@Ben Fizz he definitely is 👏👏🇮🇪

[@TerryStewart32]

I believe he has a PhD from Oxford

[@psychologyrelated538]

@@TerryStewart32 in what?

[@TerryStewart32]

@@psychologyrelated538 he has a PhD in literature. He even used to teach students at Oxford university. He’s a highly intelligent and educated man. He has intellectual and educational pedigree.

[@psychologyrelated538]

@@TerryStewart32 I never knew that very interesting. , well I hope to see more of him anyway 👏👏

[@ryue65]

Douglas Murray, Zuby and Andrew Doyle’s sense of humour, and their ability to pierce the ridiculous notions of Wokery are what helped me ‘see the light’. Humour, comedy and satire are wonderful tools of insight. Please keep up the good work.

[@tagus100]

I would pay £1 million to see Reni Eddo-Lodge, Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi go head-to-head with Andrew Doyle, Douglas Murray and Zuby.

[@johnricercato740]

They (REl, RDA and IX) would be destroyed, so would never agree.

[@michaeltoner7690]

I'd chip in 50p

[@megg.6651]

YES! Coleman Hughes has publicly asked Kendi for this and Kendi has refused. It is pretty obvious why - and a great reason to discredit this fool immediately.

[@233Hicks]

Couldn't we just ask Zuby to drop a really big bag of spuds on them and walk away? No sense in letting these muppets talk when they're just going to come out with shite.

[@tagus100]

@@megg.6651 For people who invented something called CRITICAL Race Theory, they sure do hate it when people criticise it/them.

[@Wellsendit]

When you make your life and career about activism around a specific issue, and said issue is no longer an issue, you end up creating another issue to pick up to keep your livelihood. Stop career activism.

[@richardscales4569]

Exactly correct. That's why the causes are becoming more and more ridiculous and insane, so much so that a strange inversion has taken place, now people who are championing "social justice" are happy to defend racial segregation.

[@annmorgan5130]

I'd not heard of Zuby before. What a fantastic guy he is and what a lot of sense he talks. Loved seeing this chat with Andrew Doyle, another person I really like.

[@johnricercato740]

A brilliant interview by Zuby: he asks good questions, and offers his own cogent analyses of what is going on. First time I saw him in action, but will be following him from now on.

[@vikiunspellable9935]

At 10:00 he hits the nail squarely on the head; those who are offended - by WORDS - go after your livelihood instead of discussing, debating, refuting what you said.

[@megg.6651]

Hi Zuby! Just LOVE Andrew Doyle! Great interview!

[@persallnas5408]

This is so sweet, I love you Zuby an I love you Andrew.

[@kenbryantmusic]

One of the best podcasts! Really great to hear you talk about your faith, if only briefly, Zuby! Excellent. Thank you.

[@ZubyMusic]

Thanks!

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Yes, thank you! I'm Christian too and I've studied the Middle Ages (like Helen Pluckrose did) and that's another era when an awful lot of people turned on each other as "heretics". There was a pandemic then, too (although the Black Death killed between 25% to 75% of the people who got it, depending on where they were) and it's eerie when you put a painting of the Mediaeval "Flagellents" next to a photograph of that little boy and his father participating in "The Lifeline Expedition". Two groups of people, separated by hundreds of years, but both seeking "atonement" by punishing themselves in public displays of self-humiliation.😳🤦🏾‍♀️

[@jasmitsirah]

@@ZubyMusic your only init for the money 💰 😤 🤧 u talk so much shit I know people who have messaged u for support and u ask for cash to help u cxxt

[@jordanbrady3215]

Why do you even bother lying about that?

[@willardaustria]

Great conversation, Zuby! 👍 What made it even better was watching how much fun you had while talking about all the absurdities that came up. Your laughing is really contagious. 😆

[@katiegwynn4495]

I just found this podcast. Thank you both for your conversation. I'm of the same mind, but I don't have a single person to relate to. Thanks

[@ZubyMusic]

Welcome!

[@katiegwynn4495]

@@ZubyMusic thank you!

[@Tdownunder]

Thanks gentlemen, that was informative and enjoyable.

[@pennyeiler4628]

Thanks!

[@poppymoon4122]

Andrew seems like a very sweet and intelligent man. Glad I just bought his book. Looking forward to it even more now!

[@RobPalmer80]

I thought segregation was supposed to be a bad thing, yet some people seem to want to bring it back.

[@megaduck7965]

Aye, but if you think like a racial nationalist then that’s kinda the dream . It’s demented but it is what is sadly hopefully they don’t get their way

[@Lina-rs9hr]

Jobs, these people also have a lot of jobs in these lgbt- sjw-whatever organisations, they have to fight on to keep the jobs.....

[@mightyirish]

Plus everybody needs a purpose, something to fight for/against.

[@megg.6651]

Racism has been put on life support so charletons like Kendi & DeAngelo can make money and, even more upsetting, to provide a simple excuse/explanation for the very complex problems that exist within Black communities - by which, of course, will not help to solve the very serious issues that so many Black children deal with every day.

[@welshhibby]

I wasn’t aware of your channel but I really enjoyed this discussion and you have a new subscriber!

[@ZubyMusic]

Welcome!

[@BreakOutOfTheAlgorithm]

Agreed, about to hit subscribe right now. ☮️

[@willfiggis4733]

One of the most fluid and engaging convos I've heard in a while. Felt like I was in the pub, having a pint, just listening to you guys. A very welcome feeling. Great content 👏

[@ZubyMusic]

Thanks Will!

[@jimpickard3850]

Zuby, Douglas Murray in The Madness of Crowds, went deeply into this issue of activists having nothing left to fight against. Great interview though mate, thanks.

[@liverpoolmary2860]

I am enjoying this but the issue is that men are getting access to womens spaces including changing rooms - the gender ideology is so crazy

[@michawill6599]

How had this only 5.5K views.

[@kirstyholmes9318]

That was fantastic guys - you were riffing off each other so well and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole discourse!

[@ZubyMusic]

Thanks Kirsty!

[@Parbruek]

The practice of browbeating your opponents with jargon to pretend superiority really took off in Kant's time; and it had a clear influence on his writing. Kant was required to give free lectures in order to maintain his seat, as were many, so it became standard to practice to obfuscate in public and charge admission to private lectures explaining the terminology.

[@elizabethrye560]

Somebody would leave an event because they didn't like somebody's hair... oh pleeeeeease I'm in fits of laughter here.

[@alexspareone3872]

Book burning is next. A curator at the British Library is already declonising her collections. Then what will they do after that.

[@harryrobertson3746]

I sympathise very much with the points being made about the advantages of being able to own up to error. Years ago I had the opinion that to be left-wing was to be virtuous and anyone on the right, a conservative for example, was automatically a horrible person. This bigotry on my part is difficult to admit, but one has to grow up.

[@zakorycron4963]

"Economic equality, they don't care about that." The greatest point made.

[@DiStitt]

Great. Had a good laugh from time to time. Thank you.

[@RobPalmer80]

Some people refuse to admit that they're wrong because they see it as a sign of weakness.

[@SirLurkington]

He might be a notoriously legendary shitposter but Andrew Doyle is very down to earth.

[@michaelskramii2245]

Thank you for this interview/content - much appreciated. God bless and best regards.

[@michaelmcvey1442]

A rare slice of sanity!

[@dlugoszjo]

Zuby it would be amazing if you had James Lindsay on

[@kenbryantmusic]

Absolutely! Would love to see that.

[@zackfair6791]

Agree.

[@ZubyMusic]

I will!

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@ZubyMusic Awesome, I'll be looking forward to it!

[@TerryStewart32]

Andrew Doyle is impressive and Zuby ask the right questions. I would like to see Zuby in conversation with Coleman Hughes

[@pysokon7714]

Can we have a reference for the anti-rascist diversity workshop paper mentioned in 44:00 please?

[@megg.6651]

I'd like you to speak about how racism has been put on life support so charletons like Kendi & DeAngelo can make money and, even more upsetting, to provide a simple excuse/explanation for the very complex problems that exist within Black communities

[@doyle6000]

Great convo 👍

[@ryancoyne9611]

Great discussion but very sad and disturbing that KZbin feels the need to interject and censor words and phrases.

[@koenvandamme9409]

I was surprised to hear my first name blanked out in an interview :-D The Dutch "oe" in my name is pronounced like the English "oo". Loved the interview, by the way. Zuby and Andrew are two of the most interesting voices on the web right now.

[@joetrigger5962]

Andrew Doyle and Zuby spoke my mind. As a liberal I always sat comfortably in the moderate left as it was the right that were always more inclined towards prohibition be it drugs, the arts, gay rights etc. the tables have turned and it's the new left that want to prohibit and engineer culture in their guise.

[@morgenstern2603]

It's funny really. About a year ago I learned that there were more than two genders, and that we now make a difference between gender and sex. So I asked that person, what non-binary meant. I was called a transphob, and that I should use google to "educate myself", since he couldn't be bothered to spill it out for me. So, I started my research, which is still ongoing. I took his advice to heart. I kinda think he wouldn't be happy with my conclusion and the evidence that I've gathered. So really, best advice I ever gotten. If he had just answered me, I might be on his side.

[@phwbooth]

He's also got a doctorate in English Literature. Swot!

[@elizabethrye560]

De Angelo needs sectioning. She's clearly two olives short of a pizza.

[@LMNOmic1234]

Perhaps we need to examine how far the imagination extends, and then kind of back track to see and assess how rational we in fact are? And then laugh of course. Lots of laughter, good humor and kindness :) Its worth trying out, if not only to shatter ones ego. :)

[@stuboy261]

great interview

[@tbwatch88]

heroes here: J. Peterson, Douglas Murray, A. Doyle, Zuby, Glenn Greenwald.

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

14:30 This is a good observation about memory. I was doing some reading on this learning theory called connectivism which touches on knowledge of the future as a result of present day interactions. hmm... perhaps the fast-paced, knee-jerk social environment now is tilting the focus of knowledge too much into the present and foregoing the past. I remember seeing people drop one by one like flies from the approved list after making 1 mistake. I used to fear interactions with friends on fb cause I didn't want to discover their inner racist self. The premise of the world for me was... everyone is a racist and flawed character and they get eliminated once that flaw becomes public. That's a depressing outlook in life, even though it's rather true in my country hahahaha... we are all in possession of racist prejudices but most people are chill in real life. They would help each other in real life. It's about knowing how to control those impulses, about striving to be decent despite those elements from our upbringing. I used to get so "triggered" when I saw my friend posting something insensitive.. but I kept remembering what a good person he actually is in real life.. and I sorta made it. It was important cause if I had blocked people like him, my timeline would have become an echo chamber of woketopia.

[@MassimoAngotzi]

Calm down. There’s nothing bad about being racist. Don’t worry, be nazi.

[@Sandlund93]

Racism is still a thing because we keep talking about it. Wokeism is about to reverse 60 years of hard work to stop talking about race. And I agree with you on racial prejudice, I certainly have some myself. But that doesn´t mean I don´t try to treat my immigrant colleagues with respect, especially if they show it back. And if one of them ignores me it makes sense for me to ignore them too, clearly they are not interested in talking. But this logic is applied to everyone I meet. It´s just that when it comes to the immigrants you don´t even know what language to use at first. Of course, that is gonna make you more insecure. And in my country people are pretty much unobtrusive until a situation calls for communication, or the other one makes the first move. This has led many of our immigrants to believe that we are racist by nature, but we avoid each other to the same extent. An asocial culture. Adding critical race theory to our society is gonna be deadly. It might even incite a civil war, considering the state we are already in. But if we are to trust Macron´s ex-generals France might be heading there before us.

[@katiepert7746]

Another difference between environmental activism & SJW is that environmentalists don't get people cancelled or refuse to engage in debate (they are more than happy to get involved in debates because they have facts and figures to support their sound arguments) It would be an interesting interview if you had Rupert Reed or Roger Hallam on the show. Darren Grimes hosted a debate with Roger Hallam on his podcast which illustrated (whether you agreed with him or not) that Roger isn't some loon who is intent on destroying civilisation as we know it but a thoughtful ex farmer who became concerned about the environment & climate change because extreme weather events were affecting his livelihood.

[@mrs.garcia6978]

Loved this 👍🏻

[@lowandodor1150]

Mr Doyle, one of the good ones, i say.

[@elizabethrye560]

Woke is the boil on the arse of humanity. Woke is also on its way OUT.

[@louiseparker1915]

What about the Hitler Youth? Unfortunately parents were compelled to make their children join or they would lose their jobs.

[@wescolumbus621]

There are places which support slavery (of women and children), Andrew. Not in the West (even if trafficking gets into the West, too). Making a clear distinction between Level-Headed Liberals and Loony "Liberals" seems to be a must.

[@megg.6651]

I am noticing a trend - school teachers going into comedy & making more doing so! We live in a crazy world!

[@katiepert7746]

Environmental activism is often, mistakenly, lumped in with identitarian social justice. They are different beasts (there's some occasional overlap but it's fairly insignificant and the movements have different purposes and histories) The most striking difference being that environmentalism has nothing to do with identity, oppression or victimhood. Whatever you think about Extinction Rebellion or other environmental activists' tactics the concerns they have are concerns about the future of all of humanity not about lots of separate little groups. The history of environmental activism (as far as I know, feel free to correct me) is different because it isn't rooted in postmodern ideology but in observable facts and models based on climate events, patterns & trends (one can argue about the significance or accuracy of the models or patterns but the facts remain - The Artic is melting, we have species loss at an unprecedented rate in modern history, extreme weather events are happening with far greater regularity, and the planet is getting warmer etc...) The anti-woke undermine any claim to erudite research or objectivity when they align SJW's with environmentalists (have you ever heard Greta Thunberg talk about her white privilege or David Attenborough claim trans women are women?) in the same way the environmentalists undermine their credibility when they jump on the SJW bandwagon. (some XR spokesperson got silly with a heteronormative word salad once - and likely they'll be more - but he didn't speak for all or even many in the movement) I wish these issues were separated from each other by both parties.

[@bacillusrex]

19:55 - Jedward rides out! XD

[@colinglen4505]

Hopefully it will fizzle out like the previous lame brain 'flower power' movement. However, Flower Power wasn't adopted by industry, government agencies etc, so we will see.

[@MarkMackenzievortism]

If I was gay, I'd date Doyle. Bloody hard finding a partner these days in london that isn't some sort of woke idiot.

[@davidschofield427]

thanks zuby from another luton survivor ...

[@jayw115]

Listening to this again after the election. The next 5 years are going to be all downhill lol save yourselves and build your own sanctuary, with like-minded individuals 👍

[@Cunntas]

with the increased popularity of sweet potatoes and the high level of vitamin A in said vegetable and the link between melanin production and vitamin A could mandatory sweet potato consumption end the race issue by turning everyone black?

[@burleybater]

Gentlemen. Always a pleasure. I salute your intelligence and such obvious common sense in this discussion. I'm cooking dinner, so I must be mercifully brief. I have a theory, hypothesis, gut hunch, call it what you will. I believe that a Thomas Sowell would have a field day with this. He is the grand Master, I a humble disciple. If one were to add up all the jobs, positions, careers, postings held by all people directly and even indirectly involved in our Long March through all institutions, whose vital preoccupations are with all manner of "icks" and "ists" (as in phobic, racist, sexist, etc ad nauseum) - one would arrive at a colossal and ever-growing number representing the total stockpile of income and benefits. Now, if we were to chart and graph this stuff beginning in the year 1960, and check in each double decade - to 1980, 2000 and finally this year of 2020, what would we be liable to discover? An exponential growth, represented in a line resembling the proverbial hockey stick. Just when the handle of the stick really takes off, is open for debate. I would guess somewhere in the past 20 to 30 years. My conclusion, humble as it may be to even suggest. After selling all of our manufacture of "stuff" away to far global reaches of cheapest sources of labor, we find that we have nothing left to manufacture. All of those middle class wage jobs disappeared. So what do we do now? We process people. We manage their natures, liabilities, belief systems, conflicts, endowments, and all of it - like the right glad gathering of mountainous piles of raw materials, and then we process them. Just as a nickel's worth of potatoes add up to a dollar's worth of chips - so does a nickel's worth of human agitation add up to a dollar's worth of "expert" manipulation. Something to ponder on.

[@Parbruek]

I self-identify as your hypothetical 34th child. And I will take any restriction of my rights under common-law as such as a personal affront.

[@WalesintheMovies]

33 mins. Yes, that's it. This is the way.

[@cjamthepatricianakabilldoo7852]

Brilliant interview Crypto facist reminds me of red dwarf

[@burnsson]

only 2.7K views. sad.

[@MP-tj5xv]

As both of you gents said, the antidote against "wokeness" is refusing that political correctness. Who better than the leader of the free world to set the example so we can start moving forward. Trump is one of them, not a "pleb" so they know they can't just get rid of him.

[@carlosmelo5211]

I am more to the left of those two, I would never sit with Dave Rubin for instance, also Brexit is stupid and bad, but at the same time my side, the left, has gone completel bonkers so I find myself all of a sudden listening to Zuby and Doyle with a certain amount of relief as they talk sense and reason (apart from Brexit, obviously, which is also complete bonkers).

[@LMNOmic1234]

Zuby your dope! Thanks man! :) Full on lunatic as you say. :) I like that theory. :)

[@NRTSean]

Mel Brookes In his movies uses comedy to attack racism and Nazism just watch Blazing Saddles or the producers...

[@miriamodonovan7895]

100% agree it is astonishing that people can turn ferociously hostile towards someone who presents a different opinion to them on just one issue, despite all they know about that person from previous experience. I've been trying to make this point wherever I can. Especially on the left, because that's where my political affiliations and beliefs generally lie, but it's to no avail. You must share the same belief about absolutely everything, in every particular - or woe betide you! You'll be cast into the flames of eternal damnation. Shunning and cancellation will automatically ensue. Well, f**k that. If that is where the left is headed, I want no part of it. Great discussion btw, and badly needed. Will be sharing it wherever I go. @mimdonovan

[@lordfawkesvonproudhon9656]

The dangers of wokeness is that it makes you ignorant. Ironic.

[@Cunntas]

babies with blm shirts and anti racist baby books kind of reminds me of little kids in suits and bowler hats marching

[@chericroucmendez8232]

1 Corinthians 15:3-4

[@NRTSean]

Remember it is called Twitter ('Twit' ) is a clue.

[@martinjohnson5498]

Re wokeness as religion-Douglas Murray says it’s a cult. sounds right to me

[@colinglen4505]

Zuby is right, when a marginal group have a victory they invariably create another battle to fight. It's like they are addicted to being rebellious. Also, it kind of endorses the old saying ... 'Give them an inch and they will take a mile!'

[@MediocreCinema]

except its usually Caucasians doing it on their behalf.

[@miriamodonovan7895]

The point re activists for gay rights/gay marriage having run out of something to fight for and drawing a false equivalence between extreme transgenderism and gay rights has indeed been made - I think Jane Clare Jones or the LGB Alliance have been saying it for a while. Especially about Stonewall, cf it lost its raison detre and so took up the trans cause. It should have shut up shop. Job done.

[@lucasbassan9415]

For all the talk about being mentally strong and blah blah blah. A guy I respected a lot blocked me on twitter for the clear joke of “your girl is beautiful, we should see more of her! Congrats”. How lame, again from someone I respected and thought was a little more thick skinned.

[@MediocreCinema]

he was probably looking for a reason to if that's the kind of joke you make haha

[@OldRomanTV]

Maya Angelou was required reading in English Literature at schools back in the 90’s! It’s not new!

[@AncientRylanor69]

D

[@monember2722]

Black American: recall sjwism in 1990.

[@Cunntas]

I thought that Donald Trump Boris Johnson and Silvio Berluscone would have been hilariously funny if it wasn't for all the sour-faced folk

[@HTHAMMACK1]

Really? You're talking about the dangers of wokeness? I'd call the dangers of bigotry and racism is far more dangerous, but we all know why conservatives and especially Trump lovers don't ever want to talk about that.