Electrical Installation Condition Report Sample - Part 1

[@artisanelectrics]

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[@prabagaranravi4346]

This is much needed service for all of us. Keep do well service.

[@EXILEIS]

16:00 , Use the end of a fresh Stanley blade to hook them out from the corners. Sometimes they can be in there really tight and bluetac wont cut it.

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@havoctrousers]

@@artisanelectrics I do this too, but it's really easy to ping them out and lose them. I'm going to try using tape next time as other commenters suggested.

[@paultipton743]

Insulation tape over the socket plastic caps does the same job as blu tack

[@doctorelectric470]

that's what I do

[@tommochelsea72]

2 x 2.5mm on ring final circuit always on a 32amp mcb. Would C2 a 40amp, as before the mcb would blow the cable would catch fire (if overloaded)

[@UnboxingJobs]

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[@testingtechnicians6751]

Very well presented, it helped me a lot as someone new to this industry.

[@alantorrance6153]

Those caps over screws in socket covers, tend to come free with a fine, thin prod, like the "sharp" on a pair of compasses.

[@rattlehead85]

Wow Jordan...EICR’s a plenty.... Careful with that 80amp RCD protecting the first bank of circuits... You have the total sum of the mcb’s adding to 84amps which is above the rating of the rcd for overload of the device. Applying diversity in accordance with Beama guidance will give you a figure of 57.6 amps. A 63amp RCD would cover this normally and you already have an 80amp in use, however, overload protection of an RCD shall not be solely based on the use of diversity factors of the downstream circuits, reg 536.4.202 will guide you on this. To achieve overload protection of the rcd circuit, the rating of the OCPD shall be selected according to the manufacturers instructions , which will point out that you will need to co-ordinate with the upstream 100a main fuse which is present there. Therefore the minimum rated current in the circuit of the consumer unit for the rcd needs to be 100a. The other rcd serving bank 2 is ok at 80 amps as the sum of the mcbs does not add to 80amps without even applying diversity so there is no potential overload risk. If you do not want to swap out rcd 1 for a 100a unit you could drop the Mcb on the ring to 32a and you will then be below the rating of what you have without even applying diversity. Beama has a document out for download which explains this new requirement under bs7671 18th Edition.. Again this is something lots of sparks do not implement or pick up on an EICR. In this situation the likelihood of overload is minimal but its advisable to note a C3 departure on your cert as it does depart from current bs7671 requirements which is what you test to when doing an EICR. 👍🏻

[@pault4793]

it doesnt matter if the mcbs addup to more than the RCD rating, most installs in the country would fail on that basisi, you could say adding all the mcbs up is more than the main cut out, considering the loading of a house at normal times can be extremley low 5-10amps, and 40A for short time at peak times, doubt youd get overload IMO diversity guidance in books is crap, was always taught its down to experience

[@rattlehead85]

Paul T Its a requirement now as part of BS7671 and Beama have released guidance on it (which going on your response i doubt you have read or even knew existed) Wether you think its crap or not its regs..which if you choose to ignore is down to you but personally i wouldn’t like to be standing in a court of law after a fire and tell them that i knew about the guidance and the content of BS7671 and chose to ignore it as i considered the whole concept to be “crap” BS7671 is non statutory...EAWR however is. I agree with the fact overload is unlikely here as i put at the bottom of my comment..i merely put it so people are aware of the requirement. 🤷‍♂️

[@anthonybragg]

@@rattlehead85 Another point to note that there is also room for additional circuits (load) on the RCD.

[@rattlehead85]

ANTHONY BRAGG Exactly that!! 👍🏻👍🏻. The problem here is that there seems to be a consensus that because so many houses have endless amounts of circuits hanging off RCDs that could potentially be running at or beyond their max that it is ok to continue doing this. Beama and BS7671 publish these documents for a reason.

[@pault4793]

@@rattlehead85 perhaps the word crap is the incorrect word to use, but yes am very well versed in the guidance from Beama and as someone who has an HNC in electrical engineering and works in design / install on large projects am quite well versed in the notion of diversity, but still stand by the guidance on diversity, it is mainly down to experience and with regard to domestic enviroment the mcd to RCd ratio not really an concern if designed correctly, IMO

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Because of the cost of the circuit breakers I would say to the landlord look mate it needs changing for a B32 and just change it. A tip for removing those socket screw covers I use the tip of a utility knife

[@djb774]

Spider in the gas meter wore size 10 boots! Very brave mate!

[@Spark101.]

RCD ratings non compliant. Can sometimes get away with 80amp versions, but not in this case. Also, the tightness of the connections in the consumer unit should ideally be checked using a torque screwdriver.

[@deejay6045]

Looking forward to part 2 to find out more about the 2 Ring finals on 40A MCB's. Another interesting video. Keep up the good work!

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@cVH64li2yO]

another great video Jordan, thanks a lot

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@awm7896]

I use electrical tape on them socket screw caps, works better than blue tack, and less damage than my screwdriver and Stanley blades.

[@angusbrown8707]

Seems to be a very neat and tidy DB for a new build, those lads must have been on day rate. 😂

[@artisanelectrics]

Haha probably

[@neil6438]

The Derating factors for grouping, ambient temp and insulation along with volt drop will cause issues on them 40amp ringmains you have.

[@johnwaby4321]

Looking forward to your next step . I don't normally put a 2.5 mm cable on a 40 amp for the ring circuit.

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks

[@Chris-um9ds]

A new build would usually get a 10yr cert , i wonder why this didn't ? or maybe the certs have gone missing . whats that meter key you use Jordan ?

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks! Its a Wera Screwdriver set that has the meter key in, check the link in the description.

[@RWATraineeElectrician]

18:46 looks like a nice neat install 👍

[@TradifyHQ]

Enjoyed this! Looking forward to Part II

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks!

[@abdullahseba4375]

According to my calculator, 2.5mm installed in 3 - A1 (multicore in insulated wall), has a maximum current rating of 19.5A @ 30c (39A combined CSA). So the breaker is theoretically 1A too large!

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah typical! 😂

[@Monkeh616]

But it's a ring, not a radial in parallel, so that doesn't apply. Nor does 19.5A comply for a ring on a 32A breaker, as the regs require not less than 20A.

[@abdullahseba4375]

Monkeh Wut?? A (properly wired) 2.5mm ring circuit has a combined CSA of 5mm. If you wanted an equivalent radial circuit using 2.5, there would be 4, 2.5s going into each terminal at the back of the socket. Rings are usually 32A; radials 16A or 20A.

[@Monkeh616]

​@@abdullahseba4375 You cannot treat it as a combined CSA of 5mm², the conductor lengths are not equal at all points on the ring, being a ring, not identical conductors in parallel. Hence the 20A minimum requirement with a 32A protective device. I can try and dig up the regs on using conductors in parallel - I can quote 433.1.204 at you if you really like, too.

[@cumberland1234]

Regarding the Ring Final Circuits on a 40A - personally I'd C2 it - it isn't condemning it as such but it does make it an unsatisfactory outcome. It is a fairly easy fix i.e. replacing the MCBs with 32A to make it a non issue. Reg 433.1.204 basically says you can use a ring final circuit, with or without unfused spurs as long as it is protected by a 30A or 32A protective device, and the cables as installed Iz are rated not less than 20A.

[@cumberland1234]

Also, it is usually an agreed limitation that cables within the fabric of the building are not inspected unless the client specifically requests it so you can't really check the 2.5mm cables to see where they fall in table 4D5 - I can't see them being too impressed if you take a hammer and chisel out to check them! I think there are words to this effect on an EICR form.

[@artisanelectrics]

Haha you make good points thanks. I think I will just replace the MCB's then its all good.

[@gritpipethin]

Perhaps the RFCs were accurately DESIGNED. Re 433.1.204, if the cables as installed lz are rated at not less than 26A arguably a 40A protective device will protect the cables and that is what the MCB is there to do ~ it will trip before overheating causes fire. The overall impression I have of this building is that the installation has been DESIGNED by an educated designer ~ notice provision for a stairlift.

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah I have the same feeling to be honest but there’s no way of knowing that’s the trouble

[@gritpipethin]

@@artisanelectrics You are right.

[@stuartolseen214]

Design and installations of ring final circuits and suitable final circuit protection for ring final circuit is within the OSG and BS 7671. 40A final circuit protection for a ring final circuit would be code 1 as this is that providing suitable final circuit protection against overload for the cable CSA. All code 1 should be carried out immediately or the final circuit should made safe and isolated. Obviously you should make this clear to the client within your written estimate before commencing any works.

[@curtisj2165]

How can you do an installation resistance test on the lighting circuits if you have left the switches on and the light bulbs in? You can't pass the ring final circuits that are fed by 32a circuit breakers

[@Madman-ge2eb]

I was taught to use electrical tape to remove those dreadful pips!

[@artisanelectrics]

Nice!

[@stuartolseen214]

Current regulations for main switch with additional RCD protection main switch CCU should have RCD current rating the same as the main switch

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah but we cant code it just because it doesn't comply with 18th edition...

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[@dhkelectrical2308]

Thanks, good one again, are you going to do the vespula certs again?

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah I always use Vespula for my certs now, saves so much time!

[@stevecraft00]

2.5mm ring in insulation would be derated to 20a where i work!

[@JGE_Installations]

id down grade those b40s mate, theres no way you can up rate the carrying capacities of cables through clever design, friday afternoon job probably

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah I think you might be right

[@stevecraft00]

Any chance of increasing the volume of your video? When you cut to an advert the advert plays a lot louder!

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks will do

[@vinitharanjani819]

The plan to go about the inspection & test procedure. Stay tuned for part 2 coming soon!

[@NewAge0fAquarius]

great video

[@artisanelectrics]

Thanks! 👍

[@brainndamage]

Is that a sewer vented into the loft? That's gonna cause mold and rot as the water condenses in the winter.

[@artisanelectrics]

Not sure...

[@artisanelectrics]

Nice thanks

[@DerekHundik]

What is the difference between DOMESTIC ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION CERTIFICATE and (EICR) Electrical Installation Condition Report ?

[@artisanelectrics]

A certificate is to certify that installation work by the electrician has been done to the correct standards. An EICR is a report about an existing installation that the electrician is just inspection to comment on its condition.

[@DerekHundik]

@@artisanelectrics i still dont get the difference. So how electrician can issue 5 years of valid certificate for the house and its not the same as the EICR ?

[@anthonybragg]

Yet again where is the existing (or copy of ) electrical certificate? I did not see any periodic test label makes you wonder if it has been tested in the first place if so those 40A MCB's should have been picked up. Why was it ok to fit in the first place knowing it is wrong? Too much of the consumer unit rear enclosure is missing (gaping hole into the stud cavity). I used to use insulation tape to get those screw covers off (another thing builders like to do is seal around switches and sockets. We wait for part two.

[@gavinhoulston7910]

Would think the 40s where supposed to be for the cooker and the shower

[@JGE_Installations]

id pop my head into loft, if i could see some cabling immediately i would have a better look, if its full of insulation or loads of gear i wouldnt get much furthur than that

[@artisanelectrics]

Yeah sounds about right to me 😂

[@joey06051988]

Where did you get your insulated meterbox key from? Asking for a friend.

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[@joshuabest100]

You should really put a warning on the video if you are going to test smoke alarms you give me and my parents a heart attack thinking my smoke alarms were going off

[@artisanelectrics]

Haha sorry

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