Avatar 2: The Way of Water - This Film Deserves to Flop

[@starburst98]

how did the humans find out the whale goo stops aging? Did they just kill one whale for fun and then rub the goo all over themselves?

[@paradoxtatorstudios9681]

fair question we will never get the answer to

[@mathiasbartl903]

Like as if the scientists were actually the most important division for RDA

[@moe5020]

@@paradoxtatorstudios9681 idk seems pretty self-explanitory to me lmao, they would dissect and test literally everything they come across. How do you think humans discovered stuff on earth lol?

[@astroman0500]

If you ask that because you might feel like it's just a cheap plot point to drive the movie, you're forgetting all of the weird stuff we humans have done with lots of animal byproducts in the past. Like how did we realized whale fat was perfect to make a lot of stuff like lubricants and perfumes back in the day?

[@Rick-bc2ds]

​@@moe5020 so you're telling me they discovered that within a year of being on Pandora? Because in the last movie it was all about unobtanium

[@drewjohnson-85]

Fun fact the first Avatar referenced The idea of the Earth was dying as well, Most people just don’t remember it because it was also only mentioned once and then capitalism is bad save the environment was the rest of the movie

[@namugriff]

Is mentioned when Jake tries to get the spirit of the planet to fight against the humans.

[@darkwolfe6286]

It was more obvious in the extended version when you got to see more of streets of earth. If that is not your typical planet dying what is ? Did anyone wonder with technology they had why were they not looking to colonies other worlds.

[@drewjohnson-85]

@@darkwolfe6286 I did but then I figured out that there is no answer to that because James Cameron dose not care about either things like What technology could actually do these kinds of things or the fact that a Martian colony would be the more logical solution, this is really just a franchise of billion dollar humanity genocide snuff films.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

I wonder if anybody did research before they made this movie? Capitalists from when? Is it supposed to be present day? They can take a good, long look at how environmentally friendly the ussr was and how chn is, for example. How does it compare? These are not questions you need to answer. I'm just pointing them out for the benefit of the people who wrote these movies, who will definitely be perusing this comment section!

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

@@dronesclubhighjinks Man say less I'm tired of watching evil Americans destroying stuff in movies at this point give me Evil Chinese and scary Russian dudes and I'm not even American🤣

[@noahknight4039]

If the Earth was truly dying and Pandora was our last hope as a species, we wouldn’t be playing patty cake with the Navi. We’d show up and hit Pandora like a hammer. We wouldn’t send a 6 man squad of Avatars and a whaler ship. We’d show up with the strongest space ships, mech suits and everything else needed to tame the planet as quickly as possible. Especially after they’ve defeated one military forces already.

[@mrbojangles8133]

unless Jimmy is in charge

[@CelticEmerald]

Brother they did that. They glassed an entire section of the forest, brought all the mechs they could and didn't try diplomacy with the Na'Vi. The villain you see, Quaritch, has a personal vendetta against the main character, Jake, because of what happened in the first movie. The problem for the humans is, the planet is physically working against them, like an 'immune response'. This ties with the existence of a planetary mind, something one of the scientists was working on uncovering in the first movie. The first movie's human colonisers weren't big in numbers. It was a private company with some marines who were fine with abandoning Earth for money. Do you understand?

[@rickgolder6818]

​@@CelticEmerald where are the ballistic missiles?? The cruise missiles?? The artilleries ?? Suicide Drones ?? Brother I can garuntee the Russia Ukraine war is using more firepower each week than the entire two Avatar movies did. You underestimating humans will and ability to war.

[@rickgolder6818]

​@@CandyMan2001todays earth military is enough to take on these blue peoples and we are talking about 100 years in future. This movies portrail of humans is a joke.

[@CelticEmerald]

@@rickgolder6818 I don't think they have those on tulkun hunting ships

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

10:26 still better writing than "somehow Palpatine returned" or "the dead speak!"

[@ToriHiragana]

Low bar

[@LostChord]

There’s stuff in this film that is *as bad* as that.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

That's a very low bar

[@BWMagus]

@@TryingToWakeUp-qb7iu At least the idea of smurf-clones and uploading your mind into it is established in the first movie.

[@imnotatroll6301]

Well, actually I decided to call it the "Sith unnatural move" it"s so great you can have an instantaneous villain, you only add a drop of water and little of shity writing, and you have a very hated foe without have to develope it.

[@bmardiney]

There were numerous articles that were written right after the first Avatar was released describing a sizable portion of viewers who experienced a kind of depression after leaving the theater because they wanted to live on Pandora and their real lives held no meaning. Perfectly aligns with the Brave New World parallel.

[@TheVioletBunny]

Yikes… it’s called indoctrination/ brain washing / the dumbing down of society for the transhuman nwo

[@Сайтамен]

They are idiots then.

[@adamoshea2793]

Realistically most peoples lives are fairly depressing a 9 to 5 for 60 years and 4 weeks off in the year. Compare that the navi who just live with nature free of work seems a lot better basically a life nobody can really have nowadays.

[@vgrepairs]

@@adamoshea2793 FOUR WEEKS OFF????? where is this magical place????

[@adamoshea2793]

@@vgrepairs Europe where we have decent working laws which gives us good holidays 2 weeks off at Christmas and 2 weeks off in the summer.

[@lTralalal]

Honestly me and my friends just went to see the good CGI and nothing else. We didn't expect anything from the story and we came out pretty pleased because of that.

[@maximthefox]

yeah that's the whole idea and it executes that amazingly well. I never saw this for a great plot with complex characters. Its an action fantasy SciFi flick. The spectacle is what is good.

[@emptyblank099a]

Everyone did its not like the people going to see it didn't also see the original.

[@julesgro8526]

Exactly what i did... the story is okayish, pretty forgetable. The visuals are unreal. Watched it in IMAX and was blown away by how well the 3D was done, really feels like being IN the damn thing.

[@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454]

@@maximthefox But still the story, altough it feels kind of generic, has very good emotional and action packed elements. well, in my opinion.

[@ocdcrafters8435]

I went for the visual effects but I thought it was very lackluster

[@tohafi]

He said "Fast and Furious 36", and just for a second i was uncertain if it was real or not 🤣

[@Kernwadi]

I thought it was Fast and Furious 69 already...

[@s13gouf60]

A great movie about family. His great grandchildren were kidnapped by the people of Klaptu Zentar. So he gets the crew together to build a muscle car space ship to save them before the orderlies realize he's escaped the retirement home.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@Hostmann Socrates a V8 engine strapped to a wheelchair that flies through space on his quest for family.

[@gaizkaska]

@@Kernwadi starring Johnny Sins as Toretto

[@petergreen96669]

That comes out next year.

[@Thelifeofanf]

It’s crazy how we all watched the same movie and yet it seems like we couldn’t have

[@kirstenshay254]

I 100% agree

[@Heffro2010]

Almost like there is subjectivity or variance of opinion.

[@1m2a3t4t5]

Why, what hes saying in this video is agreeable even if you loved it

[@tronam]

I think part of the divide stems from how different viewers tend to engage with films: analytically or emotionally. It's pretty obvious which side most KZbin video essayists fall on. For them it's an intellectual exercise, deconstructing to better understand, which is perfectly valid. I’m more of an experiential, emotional film viewer. Movies are artifice by nature and suspension of disbelief only works if you can accept them on their own terms. Most of my favorite films are filled with convenient contrivances, unrealistic dialog and impossible circumstances, but they work overall because they resonate with emotional or thematic truth. The only time a plot flaw or contrivance pulls me out of a movie is if I’m no longer emotionally engaged with it, otherwise I can accept and forgive almost anything.

[@TagSpamCop]

@@tronam But if the story contradicts itself, then you're just being bamboozled by appeals to emotion. And what does that mean in your real life? If you respond because someone manages to manipulate your emotions, what are you missing - or even, what are they doing that you're not paying attention to? And as he mentioned, you might as well watch a screensaver, for all the good the story is if it doesn't hang together or do anything coherent. An "emotional or thematic truth" is like "alternative facts" or "my truth." You've already admitted it doesn't actually make sense, they just triggered the right feelz in you to make you shut your brain off and notice they're not doing anything meaningful. Or worse, trying to convince you to accept a nice, emotionally pleasing lie, in place of a truth.

[@dairoleon2682]

The "Noble Savage" trope is a crime against humanity.

[@staceya5149]

It's shocking how little was made of the fact that *the earth is dying and humanity is doomed unless they relocate*. Like, that's a powerful story to explore. How do you balance the needs of the natives of Pandora to retain their homeland of the needs of the humans to escape literal extinction? At the very least, it's a complex moral question to pose to the audience. But then again, who needs moral nuance for the antagonists, right? Cameron was clearly more interested in pretty aquarium sequences, like he's shaking his keys to distract the audience. It's such a wasted opportunity.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

What they don't understand is that *maybe we can preserve the beautiful world we already have* just try to minimize pollution on an individual level, it would be enough if even half the population is conscious instead of trying to harass big corporations

[@spacejunk2186]

It lessens the case the Navi have against them, but it also makes the humans kinda dumb. Why relocate on a planet with air they can't breathe? Wouldn't space stations be far better and easier? You can even put them over Pandora or any other planet for resources. The only thing Pandora has according to the movies are magic ore and brain juice. The humans are OP in these films. It would be easy for them to mine infinite rocks from other planets.

[@taylorford4875]

Maybe it’s because the main characters are the Navi 🤔

[@BWMagus]

@@taylorford4875 And so that explains why they don't adequately develop the antagonists? No.

[@taylorford4875]

@@BWMagus the antagonist aren’t the core of the movie like a marvel or dc film😂avatar doesn’t rely on villains like super hero movie does ints more interested in the world it’s building sorry 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@ioanamoiceanu9533]

Sorry, but I really take issue with the first 1 min of this video. So telling a story in a very visual compelling way, meant to wow the senses, is not cinema. Ammm... Sorry to break it to you, but rn that's exactly what cinema is. If not for that, a book or, if you want visual media, a show is a way better medium to tell a complicated story, cuz it has time to do so And no story... Unless you're saying Dances with wolves has no story, than that's bs. Yes, it's a retelling and predictable, but the story is solid. That's why you know it! Because the story stickied with you! The third statement of no interest in telling it, falls flat as well, cuz of the first 2 arguments. If the viewer likes the pretty CG, it will also register the message and if the viewer is mostly interested in the message, the experience will be enhanced by the visual Not sure what you think cinema's goal is, but I'm gonna need more arguments before I can accept that I am, in your words, "people with no taste"

[@sash9249]

1.5 billion dollars at the box office (so far) so I guess a few people loved it lol.

[@archbishopofpride296]

Riding on the coattails of the first movie.

[@manuelquiero]

@@archbishopofpride296 not really. There are new viewers that became fans when they watched Avatar 2. Yes, most of them did not watch the first one.

[@manuelquiero]

2 weeks later and this film is about to pass $2b. A great movie deserve this level of success.

[@sash9249]

@@archbishopofpride296 Yeah that's what sequels do.

[@sash9249]

This has not aged well. 2 billion...

[@charlessapp1835]

Your video reminds me of something the director for "Girls und Panzer Der Film" said. He mentioned how he couldn't make the whole film with awesome animation for 2 reasons. 1: The animators would have killed him. 2: By having every scene equally good, then there are no special animated scenes. After having seen awesome animation for a while it just becomes normal and your senses become numbed to the animation. Whereas if you save your highest animation for you most important scenes, then you have the most impact.

[@slendertentacle]

Final battle in Der Film was amazing from start and finish.

[@KoeSeer]

@@slendertentacle that's where they use all their animation budget.

[@soumyakantigiri]

Ah, and thats why Makoto Shinkai's Your Name and Kyoto Animation's A silent Voice use top notch animation in all scenes. Girls and Panzer had low budget so in that perspective he said that.

[@DameOfDiamonds]

I'm a anime fan but that's just an excuse, most anime animators are lazy AF

[@charlessapp1835]

@@DameOfDiamonds I am just referring to what the director himself said in the director's commentary. He actually wanted a 2 1/2 hour movie, but had to be satisfied with only a 2 hour movie. The animators of Girls und Panzer did a fantastic job in Der Film.

[@cgimichaelmyers2806]

The thing that has me confused is how are super-advanced humans with spaceships that can disintegrate hundreds of animals and trees in minutes are not able to kill stone age, blue aliens. And are their ships and vehicles made out of thin aluminum and cheap plastic? How are arrows able to destroy super-advanced human weaponry in seconds? Also, the fact that the aliens have very good accuracy and are able to kill multiple people with a bow and arrow but yet humans with assault rifles and missiles only managed to hit three aliens and kill one? Don’t these humans have robots too? Why are they using them for construction and not for combat? This movie tries way too hard to antagonize humans and make them weak. I get the message they are trying to spread but I’m already well aware that humans are assholes, I don't need a multi-billion dollar movie to tell me that.

[@Frkr.]

Last sentence: right. You only have to look what happens In Afghanistan (to US or Russians)

[@sxhmeatyclaws]

Ever read up on the Vietnam War? Technology and money doesn’t mean jack when you’re familiar with the land. Throw in agility, strength, years upon years of training, and an actual reason to fight, it’s pretty believable.

[@erwanduclos4210]

@@sxhmeatyclaws Yeah except there is a limit to that reasoning.In the first,the human defeat was believable because the Navi actually had a good strategy,ambush them in close combat where the human advantage of having firearm is practically reduced.But in this one? They literally had plain view on the enemy,only about 1/3 of their force were distracted by the whale(which by the way,its fucking absurd that she survived all the firepower she received)The rest of the ships were equipped with rifles,semi automatic cannon,MGs and grenade launcher,all with more than at least 200m to use,against enemies of reasonable speed.Considering our rifles today,for the example the one of the french army,the FAMAS,can already go trough 60cm of wood,and ww2 rifles bullet could go from 5 to 10 meter in water.Yet in the movie they can barely do 2m without stopping.Also,the boy that died suffered a wound from one of the rifles of a Navi impostor,which is basically a 50cal or bigger.In other words,a single bullet of those rifles should have ripped his arm off and obliterated his hearth and right lung,dead on the spot,no time for cute last words.Same when they hid behind some 5mm empty metal bars to stop bullets,yeah nah that bullshit.

[@cgimichaelmyers2806]

@@sxhmeatyclaws That was decades ago though, our technology has come a far way from the technology that was used during the Vietnam War. We are literally able to drop bombs on unexpecting enemies while sitting on the couch eating a bag of Doritos. Also, the humans in Avatar are supposedly way more advanced than us. They have mastered space flight being able to travel and colonize other planets, have mastered cloning, and memory transfer. If they are truly that advanced then why aren’t they able to kill a couple of blue space monkeys?

[@cgimichaelmyers2806]

@@Frkr. Or if you live in America all you have to do is turn on the news or walk inside a Walmart 😀.

[@harrisonrowlatt352]

Ngl worst opinion I’ve heard yet. Not saying u can’t have an opinion

[@johnsontok8000]

How a movie that gross 2.3bn and get in Oscar best picture line up a flop? This video look more like a flop to me

[@marcuscarana9240]

It's already at 2 billion dollars in gross revenue. It's flopping so badly, it's such a massive failure.

[@petersonofleo11]

James Cameron proved that you are out of touch.

[@BWMagus]

Cameron really needs to just get into making video games. Not the whole game, just be in charge of the visuals. Sony, ND, Rockstar, they are pushing so hard on the graphics, and I'm sure using some tech Cameron invented or perfected anyway, that he'd be a good fit. They'd just need to find someone else to write it, although those companies can't seem to do that either.

[@cgimichaelmyers2806]

Unfortunately, they have seven more of these movies to shit out so that’s probably not going to happen.

[@alexkaplan6581]

@@dazzaMusic He can go work for 3d realms then, he'd fit right in.

[@jesperburns]

Cameron is a megalomaniac control freak so that'll never happen. Note: I kinda enjoyed both Avatars.

[@cryptodino3roberts712]

I really enjoyed this movie throughout and leaving it immediately wanted a video game. I think avtar can really take off thare

[@scratthesquirrel5242]

no. video games are different than video. a video game has to actually process the visuals, a video just plays it. cameron making a video game would mean you need a supercomputer as your graphics card alone.

[@usauk3605]

I feel like Quaritch’s relationship with Spider was one of the most misused elements of the film. It could have actually provided some interesting conflicts for the characters, but instead, it was thrown around in whatever direction the plot needed, and subsequently wasted.

[@riftvallance2087]

Quartich and spiders side plot was the only part of the movie I enjoyed. Should have cut everything to do with the whales out for developing that story better.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

I laughed out loud when Spider went back to the smurfs and nobody cared his adoptive mother tried to murder him like five minutes ago.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@nigeltheoutlaw Kind of wished they acknowledged that.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

@@silverhawkscape2677 They do, in a way. When the mom threatened to stab him, she said "a son for a son". Then when Spider comes back to them, Sully hugs him and says "a son for a son", implying that he stole Quartich's son in return for his that died. But this is dumb because A) it's already shown the Sully family basically adopted Spider, and B) it just calls more attention to the fact the mom said the same thing when she was about to stab her adoptive son. So dumb all around.

[@usauk3605]

@Rift Vallance Exactly, how about, instead of another hour of pretty visuals of blue people swimming with wales in CGI, let’s develop the actual characters. But I guess that requires too much work on the part of the writers. Also thank you for the reply!

[@baronofnothing8896]

Well now… I don’t think two billion dollars in the box office is a “flop”

[@jefferyli4322]

deserves is different from what actually happened. Avatar is shit humans need to win and destroy them already

[@xXARslayerXx]

@Jeffery Li imagine supporting the literal bad guys in a movie andPretty much proving that they arent wrong about the human race lol. Your comment just makes the movie more accurate so thanks!

[@baronofnothing8896]

@@jefferyli4322 People hate the movie because it is a mirror image of humanity itself. We are destructive and cruel.

[@alicg7829]

@@baronofnothing8896 People hate this movie because has zero creativity... for me, it was boring. If u haven't watched avatar 1, it's fine. But if u know and remember everything of avatar 1, avatar 2 is a 💩. Avatar 2 only is good in the visual part.

[@jefferyli4322]

@@xXARslayerXx kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnO2aqOnl9R0eas traitor vibes from you

[@Hunpecked]

3:52 "...and the moral message was that safe and fashionable one all hyper capitalistic studios like to spread to boost their credentials among idiots..." Good one!

[@Catalin_Cozma]

In my opinion, this movie is the inevitable culmination of the moviemakers' obsession from the past dacade with getting better visuals. Unfortunately, in their neverending quest to achieve this goal, they forgot the most important qualities of a movie: good characters and, consequently, a good story

[@Lonovavir]

There needs to be a backlash of people preferring films and series with bad CGI and good stories. Good writing will always outlast shiny visuals, Twelve Angry Men was filmed primarily in one room with just 12 actors and is regarded as a classic whereas most effects heavy films are forgotten within a year.

[@thatguy1080]

Same thing has been happening in the video game industry. Everyone wants to pretty up the graphics to sell to the masses while the scope, complexity, and nuance of the actual gameplay and story are waysided.

[@neil2179]

I'm pretty sure the sobbing audience connected more to this story and characters than the last one.

[@emptyblank099a]

@@Lonovavir Movies can be more than one thing, Avatar is a blockbuster, 12 angry men is a drama.

[@steveb7932]

do you sleep this pretentious too or just when you write on youtube?

[@inaciodearaujo]

The whole movie summarized: -Capitalism is bad (even though the millions of dollars spent on this movie could be used to, let’s say, help the poor, instead of merely using it for profit?); - the alien-feline-like creatures they chose to parody the natives in the colonization period - in the most stereotypical way, I must say - don’t have any flaws, as opposed to the villainous 2D greedy humans; - Jake Sullivan is clearly a self-insert done by James Cameron; - We should strive to live like the Na’Vi, I guess? That’s not so simple, considering that we had to literally fight with nature and conquer it, while they just plug their USB hair into things and immediately bond with them.

[@dinok5697]

No flaws, huh? So how would you categorize the behavior of the kids who left one of the sons basically for dead in the ocean? I'd count that as a big flaw of a sort.

[@lordbane5627]

Sick "Chip Hazard" reference. That movie (Small Soldiers) is a hidden gem. Unlike this movie which is an in your face blunder.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

How tf is small soldiers "a hidden gem"

[@lordbane5627]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 because it's good but not too many people know about it.

[@mjolnir112]

Even as a kid I was rooting for the soldiers. Probably explains why I didn’t like avatar much either

[@lordbane5627]

@@mjolnir112 I rooted for the Gorgonites, but I'd be lying if I said those soldier toys weren't my favorite lol. I had Brick Bazooka which was hard af to find (pre internet shopping days anyhow).

[@remliqa]

You may like Small Soldiers all you want, but lest not pretend that as a story it was anything better than Cameron's Avatar franchise.

[@idaniluz652]

When you say "smurf-bender", I always picture someone making Kong Fu moves that somehow brainwash smurfs.

[@Notorious_Grey]

Kung

[@WoahLookAtThatFreak]

When you say "Kong Fu" I picture a King Kong inspired Kung fu movie with 2 giant apes, fighting for control over China.

[@TheBonsaiZone]

I'm glad I watched Avatar and enjoyed the movie tremendously (like most people) and didn't see it like you did, thanks goodness! I'd hate to see things through your eyes.

[@peppersaltsman6044]

Why are Avatar fans so sensitive to people not liking Avatar? They act like it's a personal insult when someone says they don't like the movie

[@TheBonsaiZone]

@@peppersaltsman6044 I didn't say it was a personal insult, I'm just glad I saw the beauty and the message of the movie in a positive way. I guess my glass is half full, not half empty!

[@peppersaltsman6044]

@@TheBonsaiZone I think some people just value good writing and story and characters and some people just want to be entertained. I personally did not like either film and think whatever message is there is incredibly superficial at best. I came out of the second movie learning nothing new about these characters and frankly not caring what happens to any of them

[@tetraxis3011]

Copium

[@levidavis1093]

Had to speed the video up by 2 times since the video is too long and obnoxious. Most of this video is just name calling with no actual analysis or legit understandable criticism. It's a bunch of excess unnecessary chit chat when you could easily get to the point in no more than 8 minutes at best...

[@P0sitive_vibes_0nly]

Although the plot of this film is weak, it isn't as dreadful as you may expect. Sincerely, I have no idea how James Cameron does it. He produced three films that earned more over $2 billion at the box office. Give the person some admiration. He may be old, but my God, I don't know how he still manages to pull it off after so many years. James Cameron is a legend.

[@catkrazy24]

I suggest you watch “Avatar is Good and I Will Die on That Hill” by Local it’s hilarious and gave me a whole new look at the movie.

[@RogerDominguez-de4hj]

He's the best movie director around.thats why his movies do so well

[@jiji7250]

he takes like decades time to make his films , that’s how .

[@P0sitive_vibes_0nly]

@@jiji7250 Well let's see how his sequal will go.

[@lewisafal]

People are way too critical. Don’t know how you go to watch this movie and not enjoy. I thought it was great.

[@Alpha___00]

I cannot help but point out, that for private Sally to be able to live in a harmony with nature of Pandora (and, as Cameron tries to tell us, with nature in general), Earth paid 5 billion dollars for body, unknown amount of billions for Avatar program development (it usualy costs way more than final products) and transportation costs to Pandora. You get your primitive paradise existance, but average Joe Noname Nomoney dies on Earth because he kinda cannot afford it, and noone is willing to pay for him to get it.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Thank you for recognising that. Its rarely mentioned.

[@spacejunk2186]

But technology evil

[@superbrainz2357]

Thats actually depressing as hell. They got to have a whole new life and get away from Earth's dying populace even betraying an opertaion that would help those people survive. They get to have a new family at the costs of thousands if not millions of other families perishing all because they were the lucky sob that got a second chance.

[@paulwarboys1914]

yes we need to bring all the joe nonames to pandora that’s what would be fair.

[@sxhmeatyclaws]

This is a dumb complaint. The RDA hardly liked the Avatar program to begin with and already spent a crap ton on something they haven’t gotten any positives from, and you want them to spend *more* money on reviving a dead scientist (who, if you watched the first movie, they didn’t give a crap about the scientists and thought it was a waste of time) when they could just ship his poor, paraplegic brother out? They spend money on assets. They thought the Avatar program was an asset, so they spend money on that. They *spoilers* Repurposed the Avatar program to revive soldiers familiar with the land and enemy because they’d be *assets*. It’s really common sense.

[@harbl99]

_Last of the Mohicans_ was published two centuries ago. This film is Idiocracy-tier in comparison. The human society in _Avatards_ has fusion power, advanced cybernetic control systems, long-term life support systems that fit in a facemask, biological cloning tech that _works on alien species_ , and mind uploading(!). _Any one of these_ is a massively transformative technology which would form the basis for an entire scifi saga; the combination would make for a society as different from our own as we are from the wind- and water-powered, flame-lit medieval world. That's without even touching on the massive culture shock effect that would stem from encountering an intelligent alien species. Colossal failure of imagination by some boomer who wants to make one last 'save the whales' story.

[@chrisval1408]

A competent first contact scenario would actually require some writing

[@JavierGomezX]

Maybe because anti-colonialism wasn't the point of the movie? Have you ever thought about that? Of course that is inevitably involved, but that is far from the main theme in Avatar, which is obvious if you take your politically possesed glasses off. The technologies you point out will never fix humanity's real problems, nor would they prevent the conflict in the movie, because it is not about scarcity of resources or intelligence, it is about lack of wisdom. A conflict of 2 cultures, a culture which still holds a relationship with the divine and their inherent spirituality, versus a culture which exists solely within the profane and has rejected all concepts of the sacred.

[@01What10]

Completely agreed. The combination of those technologies would literally save the human race from the very "apocalypse" they are trying to avoid by taking natural resources from Pandora. It's like James Cameron didn't think past very surface level ideas when it comes to how a society might utilize those technologies. Like you mentioned, any one alone would herald massive change in a society. Let alone ALL of them. You could easily clone yourself, mind transfer into the new body, ad infinitum, boom - Immortality. Kind of like Fabius Bile in the Warhammer 40k universe. He has a genetic defect that eventually destroys his body. So he clones himself a new one to keep himself going while he try's to cure himself. The humans in the Avatar universe could literally do this and not have to bother with the Pandora whale matter. Literally, makes the whole movie pointless. That's just TWO of those technologies. Cameron didn't use his brian while making this movie.

[@terrylandess6072]

You had me till you decided to diss an entire generation with 'boomer'. Why the hate? Two of those boomers had sex which eventually resulted in 'you'. . . .

[@gi1dor]

​@@JavierGomezX"the real problem" as was mentioned in the first and second movies is "the Earth is dying" whatever they mean by this (yes, I remember this rehash of Blade Runner scene from the first movie) And no, it's not about culture differences and conflict of civilizations on this level, they showed nothing about it, though it was full of anti colonial and ecological messages I think a part why none of those messages work in Avatar for many people, is that those do not work on this epic scale, when humans are interstellar civilizations and the fact that none of this struggle to save humanity or earth not a part of the story

[@neuesachlichkeit6919]

Genuinely talented artists (and musicians and writers) are manning phones and bagging groceries right now, but this hack gets to keep making zillion dollar movies. I wonder why? Oh right: corporations love handing us empty cotton-candy they pre-determined would top the charts, conveniently making them fat stacks of money and keeping us slackjawed and complacent at the same time. Can't have your serfs having deep ideas and new ways of thinking.

[@jmace2424]

Oh no, they’ve added Moby Dick to the list of other properties they’re ripping off! 🤣

[@BumpyHumpyDumpy]

It’s rather funny watching someone that’s never cultivated an original thought in their life demean an artist for “ripping off” other properties…whereas original ideas can be influenced by existing ideas, hence you can find shared narrative genetics among many stories. To say James Cameron “ripped off” Moby Dick because he featured a subplot with a whale that attacks a ship is a bit lazy. Actually, it displays the inherent bias of a person that simply wanted to hate the film in question. Honestly, I doubt the guy even watched the film as you could easily produce this exact review without having seen a frame.

[@BumpyHumpyDumpy]

@@zogwort1522 I simply stopped watching this video halfway through when it was clear there was no value in the criticism being provided. For all I know, he actually made this claim. I really don’t care because the primary point stands. Lazy criticism from fanboy losers that have done nothing creatively except hate the art of success people.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

@@zogwort1522 Don't give him more to continue otherwise his last brain cell would shut down and explode

[@billieeisenhower406]

moby dick invented whales

[@pongoc1979]

"smurf kid decides to be emo for no reason" 🤣 Looking forward the complete Review!

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

No really what more needs be said?

[@pongoc1979]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 yes i want to hear more about Chip Hazard ando his estranged son weird relationship development, sounds like something out of a soup opera.

[@eerielconstantine5051]

Cameron is well known for simple stories with great effects and attention to environment. Even without knowing that at the time, I freaking loved it! Movies don’t need to be complex big brain stories to be meaningful

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

The problem is that avatar pretends to be complex and big brained lol

[@manuelquiero]

@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 no. You're just assuming things

[@jadenwilliams615]

@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 How?

[@lena.lk9817]

@@larryfoulkeofficial8609 there are a few more movies to come. The story isnt over yet😊

[@larryfoulkeofficial8609]

@@manuelquiero no I'm not

[@thatonelatvianguy4858]

Imagine saying that people who love Avatar have no taste? (just stop trying to look different)

[@LostChord]

I don’t need to try. This comment section proves that assertion.

[@thatonelatvianguy4858]

@@LostChord Proves that… you’re different?)

[@GlupShizo]

@@thatonelatvianguy4858 shhh. He's trying to be sophisticated. Let him live his fantasy with his 10k subscribers.

[@MaitasIsHere]

@@LostChordnah they meating riding yo lame ahh😂

[@MaitasIsHere]

@@GlupShizoLMAOOO

[@andrewcaudill8002]

BS contrarian take, the movie is fantastic.

[@brendanwilsonvfx5705]

I completely disagree with your opinion of the first film.

[@anaclararodas4833]

I don't even remembered what the first one was about lol. And Merry Christmas!

[@doubled57690]

based on what the far right Bolsonaro sponsored in the amazon? literal genocide of natives..... look it up its so cruel reminds me of nzis

[@TrillionTalents777]

Thank you - I thought it was just me. How do you spend 3 hours and this plot is so convoluted and pointless ? I was having a hard time caring or even remembering the names of the characters.

[@MaitasIsHere]

then why watch the movie…

[@md1trk]

I was surprised by how dated this film is. Did James Cameron really take 13 years to make a film that is less accomplished than the first Avatar? The only thing that feels culturally relevant about Avatar 2 is its obsession with white colonisers, victimised indigenous peoples, and the white genocide that must inevitably follow.

[@nerychristian]

True. It looked like video game cut scenes.

[@petergreen96669]

Didn't like the first Avatar film at all but rather strangely I enjoyed Avatar 2 myself, not gonna lie. I saw Avatar 2 in the spankingly fancy cinema complex that was built here a few years ago. The 3D-ness and stunning computer generated graphics of movies such as this are what those kind of expensive cinema complexes were designed for, I guess.

[@minbari73]

But what about the gameplay?

[@Stickykobe420]

@ant-metal is ok to watch people play, people make millions of it.

[@minbari73]

@@Stickykobe420 Is it ok? Are you sure? Do you need a swedish accent?

[@alisha8099]

Okay fine... Something you could say about Avatar, is that the Na'vi basically live in an eco-theocracy of sort. Where religious leaders, like Neytiris mother are holding the highest authority in society and the will of Eywa has to be respected, no matter what. Some lore material reveals, that one reasons why the humans are hated, is because they broke the "three sacred laws of Eywa" and therefore were at first seen as blasphemers by the Na'vi

[@daydeer9912]

A quality piece of content isn't created by it's story alone. It's not the point. It's about the ambience, the worldbuilding, portrayal, and graphics. Saying Avatar is a stupid movie because the story is bad is like saying Avatar: The Last Airbender is a bad show because it doesn't have Studio Ghibli level animation.

[@tetraxis3011]

Story is the most important aspect. That’s why video games with bad graphics can still be gems, they have good story.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

What? That's a terrible comparison. People praise the animation of Avatar: The last Airbender along with the story. Both are good. Avatar only has god visuals. Why not demand better storytelling from a movie that seems to be trying to be deeper than it is? With all the environmental messages, and human bad messaging, and yet it's not nuanced or impressive. For the budget, I'd expect just as much focus on the story and themes as the CGI.

[@genrihlanevsky6612]

I enjoyed the first movie, but didn’t thought much about it. It was OK with some great visuals. I couldn’t relate to any of the characters. This sequel I loved. Not because of the visuals (which are better than the first) but because of the story and characters. The family theme and strong protective father something I could relate to. Despite the grand scale the movie felt quite personal and relatable. The last hour action is the best I’ve seen in years. I was surprised how much I enjoyed the movie.

[@Sun_Dayzzz]

It's...as american as it gets. White dude falls in love with native girl and fights off other humans by leading the natives. Does it again the second time by not listening to the native wife's reasoning and moves on to a 3rd group, but by the end of the 2nd movie finally agrees with the native wife's outlook. Conveniently shaping the new world with his outlooks rather more so than the natives'. Colonization vibes weren't just coming from the "bad humans" but Jack Sully himself. Covers it up with military family bonds and the movie feels like they know their American audience

[@genrihlanevsky6612]

@@Sun_Dayzzz I wouldn't call this American, more like universal, as the movie is resonating everywhere. It's doing great and breaking records in nearly all countries. More overseas than at home actually. It's going to break 2B in the next few days and it won't stop there. Also, I have to say that yours is a super simplified version. This can be applied to anything to make it look too simple: Star Wars is about a farm boy who saves the princess and fights the evil empire. Batman Dark Knight is about a rich guy with secret identity who wears latex, uses expensive gadgets, speaks in low voice and fights crazy clown villain.

[@SanctusBacchus]

I'm so sorry that you have shit taste.

[@Sun_Dayzzz]

@@genrihlanevsky6612 Guess it's more of my opinion then. I agree that the film is visually stunning, but even with the other franchises you've mentioned i found the plots a little lacking. Star Wars got me more by the glow sticks and batman got me more by the gadgets but both could have been even bigger if the story was better. The batman movie with the glittery vampire actor shows some promise of that

[@manuelquiero]

@@Sun_Dayzzz This film is doing well internationally than domestic. Americans [not all] hate this film. The rest of the world love it. So any political conflict Americans have for this film from both sides - left or right wing, does not matter and would not affect its performance.

[@LivTii]

Is this satire? The way of water is currently on track to gross 2 billion worldwide, making it past the 7th highest grossing movie of all time.

[@fivepandas1]

They are saying that it deserves to fail. Personally I really liked the movie because of the filmmaking and cgi of course but the movie did cost 2 billion to make

[@pavanjotsingh1578]

@@fivepandas1 no it didnt cost 2billion

[@jk5335]

@@fivepandas1 2 billion to make?? You just made that up

[@fivepandas1]

@@jk5335 google it before responding

[@fivepandas1]

@@jk5335 nvm they changed the google results I have no idea why but everyone used to say it costed 2 billion

[@johncreed9433]

For some reason, I am not surprised that this was the route Cameron would go for Avatar 2 (basically the first film again but with minor changes).

[@scottf5791]

Those minor changes involving water. Something Cameron fetishizes

[@discoveringthei]

Is that because that's how he does sequels? Terminator: Woman chased by killer robot, goes on the run with man from future, falls in love. Terminator 2: Woman and Son chased by killer Robot go on the run with former Killer Robot and become a family. Alien: A group of people on a spaceship are attacked by an alien, while a woman fights to survive. Aliens: A group of soldiers go to fight an alien led by the woman who survived the last time, when she finds a child on board that she vows to take care of after losing her own child while she was stuck in space. Had he done Alien it would've had a love story in it and the sequel would've been about family. That's how he sees sequels.

[@theartofrelaxing-sleepmusi3620]

@@discoveringthei tbf thats how sequels kinda work First movie: love interest Logical move for second movie? Relationship with said love interest Logical move for third movie? Children, seperation etc. You guys are acting like he is somehow bullshitting around with his sequels, every fucking sequel in the world works that way, you just wanna sound smart lol

[@discoveringthei]

@@theartofrelaxing-sleepmusi3620 Not really, most sequels simply try to create a bigger problem. Iron Man 2: a man builds a fully functional suit while the government goes after him. We don't start relationship stuff with Iron Man until 3. Fast and Furious 2: Brian wanted by the police, gets a chance to get out of trouble, and recruits another friend that informed his decision to let Dom go to help him up. Bromancing 2. Fast and Furious 3: Bromance 3. The family unit didn't start until Fast 4/ Fast 5. Final Destination 2: New Cast that searches out the last surviving member of the previous cast. Just more unique deaths. Nightmare on Elm St. 2: New Cast, new problems, new reasons. Which makes things like Aliens so superior. The studios didn't see the point in recasting Sigourney Weaver and he had to fight for it. In the theatrical cut they stupidly forced him to cut the scene that tells her that her daughter dies, but with that scene added back in, the depth of the story is massively increased, and you can see the intelligence of turning an Alien Monster movie, into a Military Alien Action Film, with a heart, as she cares for the little girl. Moving from romance to family is a unique thing that isn't well thought out in most sequels.

[@ethosfm1262]

LostChord: "Hello there." Every Star Wars Fan: "General Kenobi!"

[@rogerborg]

He who controls the Brain Goo controls the Smurfiverse.

[@nosuchthing8]

Maybe they will, dare I say it, spice it up.

[@steveofsd]

Movies are meant to entertain us, I paid $18 ($6/hr) and got my money worth. I've watched Oscar winning movies and ending up ejecting the disc before they're half way through.

[@LeoMkII]

*Jesus fucking christ dude* 20 goddamn bucks 💀

[@Ghost-Toast819]

You all prove yourself so superficial. Avatar is by no means a masterpiece of a story but this story is all isn’t about the worlds yet. It’s about character people living and struggling to adapt to a new environment and culture whilst being hunted by a very powerful antagonist group. There are plot holes here and there but life has plot holes. People say that characters seem boring but they explore the characters just as much as famous characters like luke skywalker, and Steve Roger. You just jumped on the band wagon of critics and negative feedback coming from the backlash of the first movies success.

[@alicesacco6642]

don’t insult something u can’t do better than

[@pavanjotsingh1578]

Man call all the fan you brainless moron but not knowing there are some youtuber who like the movie geuss thay are also moron

[@LargeMetallicFellow]

Even if it does flop, Hollywood will use mental gymnastics to declare it a massive success.

[@alahsiaboi8909]

Ppl like you would still called it a flop, even if its made 2billies

[@ICANHASGREATMUSIC]

Movies these days are nothing but cheap montage based CGI. Stories, are second to none.

[@charmawow]

I always said that if they were to do a sequel to Avatar, Cameron should hire someone like Hayao Miyazaki to write the script……something creative, compelling and wondrous…..but hey ho. Same old, same old will do I guess.

[@taylorford4875]

What movie looks like avatar on a technical and world building level…but same old same old I guess🤣🤣🤣

[@charmawow]

@@taylorford4875 Without a compelling story and characters all the cgi in the world means squat.

[@taylorford4875]

@@charmawow you know what you just said right…that’s subjective lol it’s simply not a fact it’s actually just the opinion of people who jack off to A24 screenplays and say bravo when they finish. For a pg-13 action VFX heavy movie about family and The environment vast majority and box office are saying ✅

[@wackjack5667]

🍿

[@BapiBoozle]

@@taylorford4875 Im glad a bunch of drones enjoy the movie. I rarely watch movies unless i expect them to be phenomenal, because i dont like wasting my time on them. I was invited to go watch this with a group, and we all sat in the theater talking about how mid it was. For a story about family, it managed to make the whole family uninteresting

[@alcatraz8623]

People really just like to hate. It's not perfect but I've seen far worse shit.

[@Don-fw3nv]

So about the "flopping"

[@GeraltofRivia22]

So weird to see people praising this drek simply because it has a nuclear family. That's how low our standards have gotten.

[@maxdavidyermolaev4164]

really? least favorate film? like there is nothing worse then that seriously, you are so delusional honestly, it is fine to say the film wasnt good, but what makes it the worst of all exactly? give something to base your opinion like wth.

[@sullivandmitry1416]

By far one of the worst movies of all time. The first looks like a fucking masterpiece in comparison. - Why would sully leave his tribe since he has lived and fought with them for decades? - Why would the wife leave her own people? - Does the war continue after Sully leaves the jungle tribe? - if the war did end after sully left the jungle tribe, why would the military stop fighting them and only hunt Sully? - If the war didn’t stop, then why did the military give Quatritch (don’t know how to spell it) his own leeway to go kill Sully? - If Colonel Q was awakened to kill Sully for the war, then why was he only given a corporate whaling vehicle to kill him? - If the war was over, and Sully no longer the leader of the tribe (which they would know since they have super cameras and reconnaissance) why would they allow the colonel to go off on his own revenge hunt when he could be put to better use doing anything else? So many baffling questions that never get explored because James doesn’t want to make a movie but instead wanted to make a pretty cgi nature documentary for a fake planet.

[@fatjoe460]

Thanks for the Small Soldiers reference. Knew the villain from the first Avatar reminded me of somebody.

[@spoiler321]

Avatar 5 . . . in space!

[@yondaime500]

-Aren't they all in space-

[@jonnyboi841]

@@yondaime500 everything is technically in space

[@tuskinradar8688]

But, but space is the only place Capitalism hasn't reached!

[@asliceofloaf1984]

Nah mate, avatar 5 is the volcano level, after the desert and ice levels are done

[@BumpyHumpyDumpy]

@@asliceofloaf1984 Avatar 3 will feature Na’vi of fire and ash (volcanic areas), whereas Avatar 5 will be on Earth. It’s almost like this movie was meant to set up a franchise. Ohh, and how much revenue have you generated this year? You people have no lives and just hate people with success. James Cameron does deep sea excursions in his spare time, bitches. You people have chosen the wrong side on this. Have you people learned nothing from history? Now stop obsessing over a man that’s supremely better than you, and maybe start a family. Then you’ll enjoy movies like this 🙂

[@AFuller2020]

Just hit a billion $$$, what have you done?

[@ChrisMustard]

And this is why I love you, thank you. Merry Xmas to you, and to all. Haha EDIT to The Little Platoon: as soon as you start talking my posture changes, I put subs on (I am English but I know you use words like a sniper with bullets, precise and efficiently) and IF by some weird chance I have your attention.. Thank you for Judas game, THWACKKKK... WHISTLE WHISTLE!!! (That's the sound of knocking it out of the park).

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

I'm very glad you referenced the Sir David Attenborough series "the blue planet"! I fear it was overshadowed by the "planet earth" series, both of which were of incredibly high quality. My favorite "blue planet" episode is "the deep", which is where creatures live that never come into contact with sunlight. This is serious science-fiction material! Thank you for the review, and I'm looking forward to the extended edition 😉 Hope you and your family have a merry Christmas! Hope your channels start to accumulate the amount of subscribers you deserve for the highest-quality content you provide!

[@randomcenturion7264]

I recently bought the full Blue Planet series from a charity shop and you are spot on. The Deep is friggin amazing! Everything from liquid steam, species surviving without any sunlight, the various terrifying creatures that live down there and the technology they employed to make it all happen was a treat to watch. Would heavily recommend.

[@falcodarkzz]

blue planet ii is one of the greatest tv series of all time imo. Actually it may be some of the finest media created full stop!

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@randomcenturion7264 Absolutely! 🙌

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

@@falcodarkzz quite correct! 😎

[@lexxmooun4502]

Well this aged horribly.

[@Xblackhawkx9]

I’m tired of hearing “it’s dancing with wolfs”. Okay, the Lion King is Hamlet, The Avengers are the same batman trope aka de*d parents. Every movie is an adaptation of something.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

But Lion King and Avengers made large impacts on culture and cinema. Avatar didn't, and neither did its sequel.

[@rokiecookie3832]

In the beginning i also had a problem with the film being...... Jumpy? I don't know how to explain it and maybe its just because i haven't watched movies in a long time but the film never lets you focus on anything it jumps from plot point to plot point with almost no fluidity in between, especially in the beginning. But again i havent watched movies in a long time (i prefer shows or anime) so maybe thats the case.

[@CelticEmerald]

Its fluid. Its just hard to pay attention when you have so much eye candy. Half your brains just in it for the adventure, you forget about why they went from here to there and who this character is. Its common in this franchise, which is why people keep forgetting characters' names.

[@janitordroidjenkins7081]

Been reading the comments here and boy, I had no clue the circus came early this year!

[@Eren-lg2zg]

Crazy how anybody no matter what disability they have can make a KZbin channel and say wrong things

[@jmace2424]

RIP Fern Gully Pocahontas Dances With Smurfs Moana 2

[@westenpaulsen1665]

One of the greatest movies ever made

[@SanctusBacchus]

Either bait or brain damage, either way not biting lmao

[@maliqcasimir5794]

Fax

[@maliqcasimir5794]

Best movie

[@michalsavatar7]

I saw it for the 11th time today. I love it more than any film I've ever seen.

[@michalsavatar7]

@terrifying android eyes Nonsense. Avatar - The Way of Water is EASILY one of the greatest films ever made. I'm seeing it in the cinema for the 14th time today. I don't do that for just any film.......only the truly spectacular ones.

[@olivercrespo2329]

It’s ok, just like the first one I’m just going to eat a fistful of shrooms and enjoy the screensavers 😂

[@MARCELDUCHAMP0_o]

Sounds fun. I’ll join you

[@ToyFiend]

What a stupid take. It’s not a perfect movie, but hating everything about it is silly.

[@connorkenway09]

Fun fact, the third movie will be shot in a water tank filled with the tears of people like you.

[@SHVRWK]

Movie's already shot I think(or some of it) so these bozos can only cry themselves to sleep like the gatekeeping bitches they are while Avatar franchise thrives.

[@connorkenway09]

Correction, they shot both 2 and 3 with the tears cried about the first movie.

[@SHVRWK]

@@connorkenway09 true dat lol I was a kid back then so I didn't know about the hater circlejerk about the first movie.

[@enzoamore8971]

Lol

[@SarcasticDesperado]

Well it didn't

[@6ixpoint5ive]

It hasn't flopped though. It's made over a billion dollars in 2 weeks. Please don't spread misinformation to feed the negative echo chamber.

[@LostChord]

Saying something deserves to flop is not saying that it did. Saying you deserve to be literate is not the same as saying you are literate. The first is an opinion, the second would be misinformation.

[@davidestrada9462]

@@LostChordNo one has time to look at your entire video. Take the L bro.

[@d-abyz8565]

@@LostChord this whole page is satire, your delusional

[@tetraxis3011]

@@davidestrada9462If you don’t want to watch the video why did you click on it?

[@unnatural2024]

​​@@tetraxis3011 people like to watch videos for anything they watch for any reason. Not all comments are going to praised and agree with this video. They probably watch it to see other takes on people's opinion ever thought on that?

[@PositiveRaincloud]

People take movies far too seriously. It's there for entertainment. Not for some neckbeard twerp to pull it apart like their entire life depends on it, while acting like they're some world renowned movie critique. As for anyone interested, watch it in 3D. The CGI and immersion is spectacular, and some scenes really do pull at your heartstrings.

Because it is serious. It's an entire industry

[@bluebird7392]

Film is a form of art and a form of industry. Arts and especially books and films were used to form how nations thought about politics, or govermants. They have great pover kn forming our cultures and ideas. Thats why its VERY important to critique any form of story telling. They are never only made for fun. They always have a messege even when they are just a romcom or a documentary. Analyzing and discussing an artwork's quality is also important for ensuring other quality works will come to life.

[@stanseob]

fr lmao its just a movie chill

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

cOF, Cof, Flop.......hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah how you doing now 1 BILLION DOLLARS and growing. Have a nice day.

[@erich84502b]

It's underwater because it looks better and James Cameron likes water

[@synctrox9679]

Flopped so hard, its the highest grossing movie of all time Seethe hater

[@OG-ProfessorPongo]

Quaritch is by far my favorite character from the first movie, but definitely my least favorite here. Spoder is a close second however

[@robertcreighton4635]

It's like being waterboarded with turquoise concrete. That's a line I read in a review 😂 😂

[@scottf5791]

Lmao that’s great

[@j0hnthegreek]

My god this review is absolute rubbish. Pandering to the haters.

[@10pmmemes88]

Fun fact: a snarky British accent and a 'sophisticated' cartoon avatar does not make your opinions valid. L video and L opinion.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

You're wrong about the purpose of the first Avatar. As per James Cameron, the visuals were just there to hook people and then expose them to the pro environmentalism message.

[@thetruestar6348]

And he did the same thing with the second movie and rehash the same message that doesn’t matter.

[@Darkstar_Dayne]

Copying other people's work is one thing but copying your own is really *something*

[@spacejunk2186]

Did you know whaling bad?

[@BWMagus]

I'm not sure what James Cameron you're talking about, but he's been pretty honest since the 90's that all he cares about now is technical achievements in film making.

[@deadpan_delivry7476]

Anti whaling seems like a really strange choice. It's not an issue that is under appreciated or even common in the world today.

[@andreyhempburn]

Stay tuned for "Avatar Book three: the way of fire"

[@tetraxis3011]

Im pretty sure that’s the ACTUAL NAME Of the third movie, and that the fire Navi are supposed to be bad guys.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@@tetraxis3011I don't think James Cameron is capable of telling a story where they are the villains. They'll probably be evil because of the humans.

[@foxhounde]

Funny how you say its shit writting and yet you miss the whole point of the movie and just call it a "dancing with wolves for people with no taste" - its okay to admit you didnt pay attetion but down right insult anyone that enjoys the world and what its trying to tell seems alitte far.

[@sasham6960]

People who hate this movie can’t form a coherent thought. They hate it for the sake of hating it.

[@damndude999]

@@sasham6960 if avatar is dancing with wolves in space and is garbage for it then the northman is Viking lion king and is garbage for it.

[@CoreyAdolfi]

“Morally, spiritually and artistically bankrupt…” If you say this about any film but have thought highly of any of the Marvel films to come out throughout phases 1-3, you’re a hypocrite.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

We're human, of course we're hypocrites. You included.

[@SatanLiterally]

It's really something living as a person who never watched Avatar.

[@LaitoChen]

😂😂😂😂😂. Don't. wear it as a badge of honor my friend! Merry Christmas!!

[@rosedcurt2865]

you're not special for not watching lmfao. i can't stand ppl who stand proud for not watching controversial movies 😂😂😂

[@SatanLiterally]

@@rosedcurt2865. . . . I'm not proud nor do I think I'm special. Relax, champ.

[@mittag983]

@@rosedcurt2865 It was a joke chile

[@ghanjic]

Hahaha I always felt I was the only person who felt the first movie was the dumbest ‘massively successful movie’ ever created.

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

I kinda dislike the first movie now, because of the 2nd movie lol

[@ghanjic]

@@FlamespeedyAMV I love my wife her and I like a lot of things. She also likes things like Twilight which I poke fun at her, just like she pokes fun at some of my stuff. The first movie is a movie I will look her dead in the eye and tell her she is wrong, lol. She had me watch it, and I gave it a try because she asked me how I could dislike a movie so much before I had seen it. I know have ASMN that I can actively hate more than it, without ever having to watch that PoS. I actually disliked it more after watching it, the only thing good that came from it was the South Park episode.

[@doubled57690]

@@ghanjic was it a little too realistic of what humans are like? I KNOW humans would genocide a less advanced alien species.... Cameron knows how soulless humans are..... I mean look at the Guatemala genocide? he probably took inspiration from it.

[@diegoluna7294]

Finally some says it: Avatar doesn’t have a story worth telling. It’s amazing how people pump this movie up so much when it’s made such an insignificant impact on the cultural zeitgeist. I always ask people what the fuck they even remember about the first movie and it’s got zero soul or unique elements about it. I get it, it’s pretty, but even that, no one can remember a favorite scene relating to the original movie.

[@thetruestar6348]

That’s the thing, though avatars impact isn’t real. The impact it had was in the visual department, and that was all. No one remembers it other than hard-core fans. There’s a reason people remember titanic and terminator. The characters and the story are important to the film not just the pretty lights.

[@diegoluna7294]

@@thetruestar6348 People fail to even describe favorite moments visually within the film. I don’t understand why people were braying for a sequel where people couldn’t even elaborate on the arguably “best part” of the original film. Asking questions like what’s your favorite shot, most memorable depiction of Pandora on screen, or a bunch of other things like that just get you blank stairs with someone trying to ponder the question, “I’m supposed to remember these things?”

[@BWMagus]

@@thetruestar6348 People cared about the story of Titanic besides housewives wishing for romance again?

[@Idkihavenolife]

Bro it flopped so bad it got 1.517$ Billion and got a 4.4/ 5 in the rating and a 7.9 in IMDB its so bad XD

[@mya.xoxo_]

i don't even recall them explaining how they turned jake into a real avatar. they just somehow managed to do that to him for the sake of the movie. it's hard to understand the two movies when there's little to no explanation on how anything works. i get confused when i see people making whole hour videos explaining the movie--like how pandora works because like... where are you getting this information? how do you know all of this? the two movies didn't exactly set the ground rules on how most of the things there, even work. are we just pulling stuff out of our a$$ here?

[@cynthiacarter9055]

Thank you for not just joining the "muh theeeeemes!" bandwagon... the ease with which Cameron could dangle some shiny keys out in front of his vapid transhuman ecodrivel and get a whole slew of usually-skeptical dudes to go "Wow! FAAAAAmily! DAAAADdy! I LOVE it!" was just depressing. Not because I want people to just be angry all the time, but because it told me they have been so beaten down by the wokeness that no matter how equally wrong the subtext here is (techy Hooomuns all bad! 'noble savage' cat-people good!), because it isn't the standard wokeness, it's overlooked. The fabled Overton Window really is a thing. :(

[@arafat2924]

I call it culture-war brainrot but I think we mean the same thing

[@some2000dude]

The way Avatar explores its themes is idiotic and childish as well. Things like humans relationship with nature, the progress of industrialisation and ethnic conflicts between differing groups is a lot more sophisticated than the lazy and dishonest way this franchise presents them. For peace sakes, Pocahontas had more nuance than this shite.

[@cryptodino3roberts712]

You are all wrong

[@Nanonea]

​@@cryptodino3roberts712exactly I loved this movie

[@matthewreyes5951]

@@cryptodino3roberts712 No, they're correct which is why you didn't bother to refute what they said.

[@grunt6799]

Avatar was a technology demonstration. The plot was entirely a placeholder.

[@Kernwadi]

Pretty much.

[@taylorford4875]

This comment makes no sense

[@taylorford4875]

When something looks so good that people use it as a negative 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BWMagus]

@@taylorford4875 This comment makes no sense, because no one did that.

[@taylorford4875]

@@BWMagus reducing a beautifully realized film to a technology demonstration…yea ok

[@Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg--1266]

If it was so awful then why did it surpass all expectations and make more money than even Titanic did , not even Top Gun Maverick came close. Seems to me that your issue is one of opinion not fact.

[@soularprimestudios5930]

Why do you critics all sound and talk the same?

[@slashergasher1388]

Geeks and gamers that’s why

[@steffimaier7297]

And yet those critics claim Avatar is unoriginal.

[@ricardomadleno564]

Glad it was a massive success. It deserved.

[@redbull1826]

It was boring ah

[@Leitis_Fella]

It's bad.

[@Adventurer-te8fl]

@@Leitis_Fella Mere opinion

[@alahsiaboi8909]

@@redbull1826 your opinion to the movie describes you as a person

[@eerohughes]

​@@alahsiaboi8909 The ignorance of your comment is ASTOUNDING.