Better than the Honda Civic Si??? We Drive the 2022 Kia Forte GT

[@RetroFoxZach]

As a former 10th gen si owner and now owner of a 2023 forte gt. Yea its way better. Sound, quality, features.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Mic drop…

[@URestURust]

Yes but Honda will go a long time trouble free bc of good quality control. Kia has been know to have poor quality control.

[@E-nuff]

@@URestURust don't live in 90's

[@khau.cr2]

@@URestURust You’re living in the past, my friend.

[@Kevin83184]

Hell, these days I think most cars do quite well since technology has completely took over lol.

[@AndrewStewartCanada]

I bought this car a month ago and absolutely love it. I went from the 2019 Forte LX to 2022 Forte GT Limited and it feels like a completely different car. Extremely affordable for someone in their mid 20's who's making money but on a budget.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I bet! Huge upgrade!!!

[@GTGarageTalk]

@David Kendall Wow! Thanks for sharing. Can't beat its value.

[@AndrewStewartCanada]

@David Kendall Yeah I'm loving the bigger engine. What did you do to get to 250HP?

[@scraps0233]

@@AndrewStewartCanada nice upgrade! I have a 2020 Kia Forte gt With a manual and I love it. I have a jb4, second cat/resonator delete, intake. It’s the perfect balance of power and a daily driver. Only thing I would like is awd in snow lol

[@user-vm6om3jg2n]

Bro I feel that I’m 25 and I just got my aura black and fuckkkkk it’s beastly!!

[@realitydrip3293]

My 2020 GT manual is the best car i’ve ever owned. When my lease is up i’m getting another one and i’ve owned and driven everything on its class. Nothing beats this car for the price.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I know, right?!?

[@GoodL81]

I got my GT 2022 Manual transmission steel gray

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@GoodL81 NICE!

[@scraps0233]

I also have a 2020 gt snow white pearl with a manual. I got some mods done to it. My lease is up Aug 2023. I really wanna buy it but also like the updates of the 2022

[@nickiwhitlock]

Same here love mine

[@joshuazavala2311]

Absolutely love my 2022 Forte GT! I got mine with Snow White pearl paint and the GT2 package. Biggest bang for you buck in the class. I’ve owned it for about a month and I can’t wait to start modding mine

[@GTGarageTalk]

Love hearing stories like this! ENJOY!!!

[@jakehupp9361]

I am thinking about buying a 2023 snow white pearl GT2 as well. Sometime this week. Do you still like the car? anything you dont like?

[@4drturbo85]

​@@jakehupp9361just get an Elantra N

[@JulezWinnfield]

This guy could've been Lenardo DiCaprio's stunt double in "Don't Look Up".

[@GTGarageTalk]

I will consider this a compliment. 😉

[@unvaccinatedmensclub]

🤣

[@CWCox-iy2mp]

I got the manual 6 speed trans and it came with Michelin pilot sport tires. This car is a blast to drive and has a nice manual gearbox!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Awesome. Thanks for watching

[@CWCox-iy2mp]

I was about to make the same comment! Lol. The Michelin pilot sports make it a dream to drive! And that six-speed manual is tight and smooth!

[@jfz313]

Purchased this 2022 Gt Forte in white pearl and i just in awe of the vehicle and this is coming from an owner of a 2021 Civiv Type R.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Wow. Thanks for your perspective.

[@Jake-ps3dj]

The new Logo is killing it.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@jayniks74]

Love my 21 GT2. Takes the Civic Si easy. DCT shifts fast.

[@GTGarageTalk]

that DCT tho!!!

[@user-pc5dk7gp4b]

I bought a 21 gt2 and returned it after 1 day of having it. It does have great features for the price. I got a 22 Honda Civic EX after returning it. The Civic drives better imo.

[@vroomgc]

@@user-pc5dk7gp4b LOl that is quite the story

[@davidjean6753]

Until it wears the clutches out at 70k and they aren't covered under warranty and you find out it cost 3k to replace.

[@M4B21S88]

@@davidjean6753 Everything I've found online points in the direction that IT IS covered under warranty, that is, 10 yrs/100k mi (edit: powertrain) miles IF BOUGHT NEW/for FIRST owner (some ppl miss that). The DCT is different than an MT, if the clutches in the DCT need to be replaced, the WHOLE trans need to be replaced, making it a covered component under original powertrain warranty. Keep in mind that some ppl don't take "special" precautions when driving a DCT thus they might encounter more issues..

[@AIDAHAR210]

I like the earlier gen Si much more, kinda like what my wife drives. New ones feel like a gaming console, and look very ricey. I got my Forte GT manual 2 weeks ago after trading in the 2020 Ram Longhorn and realized Kia is a very underrated brand. Most fun car I ever had, and it wants to go faster than the traffic lol.

[@GTGarageTalk]

😂 Nice! Yes, they are very underrated!

[@ctb3112]

I have a 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT Sport, ( I know it’s not a Kia Forte GT) but it does make the same amount of horsepower 201. I’ve had it for about 2 weeks and I am still getting used to driving stick. I love the car. I traded my 2019 Nissan Sentra for it and I don’t regret it.

[@GTGarageTalk]

smart choice. Enjoy!!!

[@navjotcheema6225]

In Australia, the new Civic starts at $47k. This one at 37k with kitted Michelin sport4 tires is an absolute grab. Excited for my GT to arrive in a few weeks :D

[@GTGarageTalk]

😯

[@lahwf125]

I found one in Sydney 2022 model in black.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@lahwf125 👍

[@gazsomeone7300]

Got mine last week and agree - absolute bargain against the Honda. had to wait 3 weeks and bought a black one although had not seen it in black, man was that a damn good choice. They are a mean looking mutha in black Other thing to mention would be that in Oz, the suspension is tuned locally so some of the aspects may differ but the tyres as mentioned by OP are the Sport 4 Michelin and they so far are damn impressive

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@gazsomeone7300 Nice! Manual or auto? We tested a black one too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKipZISoh9Zkqc0

[@kabooeybooey]

Here in Canada, the 2022 GT Hatch can be bought for 30k... The 22 Civic Si is being sold for 36k. There is absolutely no question that the Si is NOT worth the $6,000 premium over the GT... Heck, even the Elantra N Line makes the Si kind of a joke in the segment. Way to go Kia and Hyundai!

[@GTGarageTalk]

😯

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for sharing.

[@crow_2k11beatsbydre8]

100% agreed. Honda Canada pricing on the Si 2022 is a joke compared to the value from KIA/Hyundai for their 201Hp offerings. These Korean automakers ain't trash no more......

[@kabooeybooey]

@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8 Even the GTI, GLI pricing is a complete joke vs the Elantra N Line and Forte GT... Nothing competes in the space at all. Idk what else there is for the 30k space that is a good daily commuter... can't really dub the 86/BRZ those.

[@crow_2k11beatsbydre8]

@@kabooeybooey Folks don't trust KIA/Hyundai because of the negative media views about engine fires etc etc, but that was years ago and these Korean automakers ain't a joke no more. But let's keep it quiet so KIA/Hyundai don't raise their prices like overpriced Hondas.......

[@alanr4845]

Best review on YT.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thank you!

[@tisha1322]

I had a 2016 Chevy Cruze and I test drove this and I like it much better and the 201 HP is impressive. Only thing missing is the heated wheel, they offer it in Canada.

[@GTGarageTalk]

It was a good car!

[@waynemangan9925]

As a Honda fan, and of the Si, I really think that unless your 100% totally cool with throwing down $$$ on a new Si no questions asked, It would be a crime to ignore the content per dollar and driving pleasure the Forte Elantra platform offer for the cash. I havent heard a squeak or a rattle from mine yet, and I thought I would care more about the lack of LSD, but the truth is I could care less. Unless your stomping the gas from nearly stopped with the wheels turned, the front end stays planted very well in aggressive street driving. Just dont think you can auto cross the damn thing. My 18' Elantra Sport handles like Albert Bierman tuned it😀👏👏.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Wow!!!! High praise, and well said. Thanks for sharing!

[@davidhurt6897]

⁰ and

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@davidhurt6897 🤔

[@jeremyjeremy8795]

I do about 70k a yr as a Lyft driver. Almost all city miles in every weather condition. I come in and out of hard corners from stopped and from speed all day long. An LSD would be huge and could make the difference between getting this or a Si/Integra if Kia doesn’t put an LSD within the next couple years

[@waynemangan9925]

@@jeremyjeremy8795 Yeah, all weather is another story. My Si with snow tires is a beast.👍

[@toxicfreechick22]

I just bought the 2023 Forte GT DCT with the GT2 package in this blue color. I love it and it is so fun to drive!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Enjoy it!!!

[@crazmage2678]

I own a 2021 Forte GT with the 6spd and I love it. Its an excellent daily driver. I get about 33 MPG but I do have a heavy foot so yeah LOL

[@GTGarageTalk]

That’s impressive even with a heavy foot!

[@joeyschmoey9138]

Having recently test drove the automatic and manual version of this car I will reiterate what the reviewer said, the manual is way way more fun to drive than the automatic. Also will mention the sound system with the built in subwoofers is one of the best I've heard in a car. A negative of the Civic it recommends premium gas. I'd easily pick this over the Civic because all the added features of the Kia AND you can't get the Civic for anything less than $5k over msrp around here! Also test drove much faster cars for the fun of it, but I always felt like that kind of power would only help on the track. I was always looking for speed limits signs, cops and unknowing slowing cars. SO the 200 hp 195 torque of the Kia is just right!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for watching and sharing. You said it well, this is Goldilocks.

[@Soul_Flow_]

I concur

[@E2Driver]

I’m actually loving it. I’ve been a multi-generation Mazda 3 owner and unfortunately they seem to be moving away from sporty performance to boring luxury. Just 2 questions for anyone who knows.. 1. Can you not ask for a switch of tires off the lot? I heard KIA does offer Michelin Pilot Sport tires for some of they’re vehicles. 2. Is there a way to reverse the manual shift controls? It seems to be in the wrong direction which is unfortunate for a nice dual clutch if you wanna use it like a proper sporty sequential.

[@GTGarageTalk]

1. Yes. Either get the manual (which has PS4s standard) or you can opt for the better tires with the DCT. 2. Not that I am aware. It’s marked as such on the controls.

[@waynemangan9925]

18' Elantra Sport DCT owner here and manual diehard. The exterior looks and small interior upgrades to the 22 Forte are looking mighty enticing to me. I can honestly say that I enjoy the hell out of the DCT with it's uninterrupted power delivery just seeming to rocket to 100. The manual is also just fine in these cars. The Elantra is a break from my 8th gen Si and sunny day only Procharged Challenger 6spd. Simply adding intake, downpipe, and the requisite catch can to the 1.6t makes them very worth the cash fun little cars.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yes, I would make some small tweaks too, first thing. Tires, Intake, Exhaust. (Cheap, quick, effective upgrades)

[@Damascuswpg]

Have a 2021 GT automatic. Love it, most fun car I've ever had. Wish I would have waited another year for the 22 as I love what they've done with the front end. The 2021 front end is my least favorite part of the car.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for watching!

[@RE-wf2hz]

I have a 22 in white! It’s fun and faster than the new SI!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Sounds like you like it! Enjoy!!!

[@omegaashi1330]

I really wanna see you slide around in the snow with that!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Me? Snow? No thank you. Lol

[@CombatVeteranUSNAVY]

I have the same 2022 Forte GT, same color with the GT2 Package. Three months ago I changed the Kumho tires for Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. The improvement in ride and handling is very noticeable.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I BET!!! Thanks for sharing.

[@CombatVeteranUSNAVY]

@@GTGarageTalk Actually, your complaint about the KUMHO tires, is the reason I switched to the Michelins. P.S. I just realized I haven't subscribed, so I just did so.

[@nadiraslam743]

We just leased a new 2022 Kia Forte GT. We love it.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Nice.

[@EricNelsonYT]

I can't think of a better equipped compact sports car for the same price! Great little car

[@GTGarageTalk]

Very well said. Impressive value

[@ASoberBear]

Just upgraded from a 2012 Forte EX to a 21 Forte GT2 today. Dat value

[@GTGarageTalk]

Loyal to the brand. Nice

[@ASoberBear]

@@GTGarageTalk From Tyrone to now his son Tyrone Jr … both of them are blac- We got it Bear…

[@SVW1976]

I leased a Forte GT in 2020. Last year when my lease was up I bought it. Im not giving this one up. Its been a great daily. Fun and economical alternative to my Mustangl

[@michellestrickland5060]

I got the 2022 with the optional Michelin summer tires and 6 speed they really stick the corners well and ride better!!!

[@GTGarageTalk]

We tested that model too and liked it much better!

[@Ethereal1]

In Australia, there’s no SI, we only get LX and it’s $47k driveaway and no base model. Kia Forte / Cerato GT is 37k driveaway. I ain’t paying extra $10k

[@GTGarageTalk]

WOW!

[@pj8761]

I don't think the question is if it's better than the civic SI. Based on the price difference, the question is if the civic is $4k-$5k better than the Kia. Because in reality right now, that's the price difference (if not more). The obvious answer is NO, the civic SI is NOT $4k better than the Kia Forte GT. You can say what you want about the civics LSD, and probably superior manual transmission, all that isn't worth several thousand dollars. Base Kia Forte GT will save you at least $4k from the dealer marked up above MSRP Civic. In my opinion, this is an easy choice. (Unless you hate money, and/or are a Honda fanboy of course).

[@GTGarageTalk]

Well said.

[@crow_2k11beatsbydre8]

Well said, no way is the 2022 Civic si worth 5 to 6k more than the Forte/Elantra 201 HP trims........

[@davidjean6753]

Clearly you don't understand how important and expensive a LSD is.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@davidjean6753 some people don't need that much tech, even if it does help put the power down.

[@davidjean6753]

@@GTGarageTalk They come standard with pretty much every other brand and vehicle in it's class. 🤷‍♂️ Every other manufacturer seems to think so.

[@dontworry1568]

if they find a way to squeeze the 2.5 turbo in there, then you have a type r competitor

[@GTGarageTalk]

❤️

[@GR33ZY.A1]

Im pretty sure its possible but they would have to make it rear wheel drive or AWD

[@kjw763]

@@GR33ZY.A1 rwd and hatch

[@davidjean6753]

Hope they build them better than my 2017. One Kia was enough. Never again. My 2017 Forte5 SX broke down on the way home new from the dealer. Spent the first month I owned it the service department.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yikes that’s rough. They are a company that is on the upswing so there have been many changes since your ownership experience, even 5 years ago

[@davidjean6753]

@@GTGarageTalk yeah they've been fined by the federal government more in the last 5 years than any other manufacturer. I would certainly hope so. 🤦‍♂️

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@davidjean6753 😮

[@stevenmalko1345]

I own a 21 forte gt with 38k miles DCT went through one transmission and the second one has less than 2k miles on it and it still clicks and clacks. I love the car very much super enjoyable for los angels canyons. GET THE SIX SPEED IF YOU CAN!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for the insight.

[@stevenmalko1345]

Anytime!

[@mystiqblackcat]

I have a 2021 Forte GT 6-Speed and I love it. Fun car to drive and I can drop off my kids to school in it. Mine came with Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S Tires and they have also been great.

[@GTGarageTalk]

The manual transmission equipped cars get the PS4s. Thanks for watching.

[@zeromusphoenix798]

I'm currently driving a 2016 Toyota corolla ls , I may be getting this Forte I wasn't to keen at first but after watching this I'm a bit more less apprehensive of the Forte. What do yall think

[@GTGarageTalk]

Was definitely a FUN car. Kia is a brand that needs to be on more people’s radars!

[@GTGarageTalk]

We got our hands on a manual equipped version as well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKipZISoh9Zkqc0

[@BullshotDarts]

Just got my 2024 forte GT w/GT2, so awesome!

[@duckamuck1756]

Not one mention of all the safety aids Kia gives you for the price point?

[@GTGarageTalk]

I know, right?!?!?!?

[@123andme]

Looks like a fun dad car. You know the dads who want some sportiness but also have to pay kids' tuition to school. Really, he wants a v8 power but then hears about gas going up over 4.00 by summer. This may be a good choice.

[@GTGarageTalk]

From this 35 year old dad: you’re not wrong.

[@silenciummortum2193]

Earned a sub! Amazing video and insights!*

[@GTGarageTalk]

THANK YOU. We have a quick review of a manual version coming soon.

[@rangersbaseball2]

Are you located in Tyler by any chance? Saw the Peltier plate and freaked out a little lol Edit: Just saw the end of the video, guess that answers my question!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yes indeed we are. And proud of it. Where are you from?

[@rangersbaseball2]

@@GTGarageTalk Tyler too! Took me by surprise seeing a hometown guy!

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@rangersbaseball2 👍 you will need to come to our next car show.

[@CombatVeteranUSNAVY]

I have the same 2022 GT, same color, with the GT2 Package. Threeimprovement

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@xianshep]

Here's two ways it definitely beats the Si (never mind every other car cheaper than a GTI): Rear-seat A/C vents and synth-leather seats (I, for one, am done with cloth).

[@GTGarageTalk]

Rear vents for the win!

[@nameplaceholder4895]

Cloth needs to go the way of the dodo birds. We can synthesise leather seats cheap now and it should be standard across the board. It makes for better quality of life and maintenance

[@peltierkia865]

The best part is that you can ACTUALLY FIND THESE & buy them in 2022! At least you can here in the East Texas Area

[@GTGarageTalk]

Indeed!!!

[@emmanouilmaroulakis991]

Good review brother! By the way, you look like a not very older …Leo di Caprio!!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks!

[@jbm0866]

Uh oh, heated and cooled seats? Honda may regret decontenting the US version of the Civic Si compared to the Canadians. All this plus a choice of manual or dual clutch should steal some Honda sales from cross shoppers. I really like what Honda did with this gen Civic, (interior is slightly better than the Forte) but Kia did a bang up job with the refresh, looks pretty cool to me. Also...exhaust sounds better than the near silent Si. Hyundai/Kia have figured out how to make their turbo 4 bangers sound like muted rally cars.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for watching.

[@Ianhunter1929]

I just ordered our kia forte5 gt 2022. As a bonus for the Canadian market, we get the hatchback version as well. Not sure why Americans can't get that option, it looks way cooler.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I AM VERY JEALOUS!!!

[@dillingersam588]

Great Review I LV MY KIA Thank you

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@samirfakoua]

In Australia the forte (cerato) has a hatch version and the standard tires for the gt are Michelin PS4’s which are great. Tho I believe the exhaust is slightly toned down from the US version. Still sounds pretty good tho.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I would LOVE a hatch version!

[@samirfakoua]

@@GTGarageTalk the hatch is quite similar to the forte5 Canada has I believe.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@samirfakoua everyone else gets the fun stuff.

[@ninjya_bakon]

@@GTGarageTalk yeah the one thing I like about Canada is that pretty much all of our cars, even with the cloth seats come with Heated seats standard on base models and middle trims have been having heated steering wheels for a while now

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@ninjya_bakon If we could only get that down here in Texas with ventilated seats! 🤣

[@cadbane1980]

The aftermarket support for these cars is starting to creep up there. Still not as much as Honda offers, but great aftermarket support regardless. It's a great platform to mod, and still very reliable.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yes

[@TerryBollea1]

How does this compare to the Elantra N? Is the Elantra worth 10k more?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Haven’t tested the Elantra N yet, but there is much more there. More power, tuning, and drivability. This compares to the N-Line.

[@philproflee6316]

I’ve driven Toyota and Honda cars before I switch to to 2015 KIA Forte. I must say KIA cars are features rich and value for money. Korean automotive technology is just as good if not better than their Japanese counterparts. Drivers of Toyota and Honda are paying a premium for the brand instead of the value of their cars. My next car will still be a KIA.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@viewer4266]

Tips to buy a new car since everyone is over pricing them...go to lower populated areas with dealer ships I live in Phoenix and the 2022 gt forte I was looking at was about 33k!! But went to Tucson and I got me a 2022 forte gt2 for 26k.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Wow. Nice.

[@precious7107]

33k is madness ! In Jersey they’re 27k including taxes and dealership charges. These dealerships are doing way too much.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@precious7107 you are right

[@TheDuke-n7o]

You didn’t mention anything about all the safety features that come standard.

[@GTGarageTalk]

You are right, I did not. Only so much time in a single video. But the Kia comes well equipped.

[@stephenstarling2578]

Oh yea my 2021 was the last one made before the redesign but holy cow it is fun and easy to drive yea stock tires are pretty trashed its my first Real sport sedan that's not going to kill me and my first kia was my mom's rio hatchback she loves the forte gt I paid 24k for mine I took it for a test drive and fell in love the forte gt

[@GTGarageTalk]

Wow. The last one. Pretty cool. Thanks for watching and sharing.

[@Msasha2727]

Any stories of how this car has been doing in the snow? The manual version?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Haven’t heard of any around here. God bless Texas.

[@Msasha2727]

@@GTGarageTalk hahaha omg if I lived in Texas this car wouldn’t be on my radar lol you guys can drive BRZs and all kinds of great cars! Here in PA we gotta worry!

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@Msasha2727 🤣😂🤣

[@AIDAHAR210]

@@GTGarageTalk where in Texas are you? I'm guessing east Tex because looks like pines in the background

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@AIDAHAR210 Correct. ETX!

[@lifeofhardknocks.3280]

Was that lift kit aftermarket? That thing gets air. A lot of those upgrades come standard in the si also. Does seem like a real fun car though.

[@GTGarageTalk]

A real fun car.

[@TasimanaOG]

gonna get one in DCT these do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds which is perfectly fast enough for me. test driving one soon!

[@GTGarageTalk]

Good luck!

[@theBtotheJ23]

Can this car be practically used as an everyday car with 2 kids? I drove manual a lot growing up and I miss it. Would it handle, decently, in the snow at least?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Would do great with kids! Not sure on the snow part. No limited slip differential means if one tire started spinning, you’d be stuck.

[@alejandrosoria2746]

I just got my on Dec of last year 2022 gt

[@GTGarageTalk]

Nice

[@kiwi22207]

How do you like it so far

[@TurfSurf]

If I was still a pertrohead like I used to be, I will probably pick this over Civic, many KIA cars now are tuned by the German engineers and designers so I am sure their performance should be on par with the Japanese if not better. However, I am going all EV now, it’s just way faster, smoother, and stealthier. You can pass someone on the road, and they won’t even hear you coming up, like F35.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Interesting way to put it.

[@TurfSurf]

@@GTGarageTalk 😂

[@user-pc5dk7gp4b]

The civic drives better. I returned my 21 forte GT2 after a day of working it and I got a 22 civic ex instead. The civic has a much better driving experience imo.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@user-pc5dk7gp4b to each their own. glad you ended up with something you like!

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@TurfSurf 😉

[@Bim-Bow]

this vs a used MK7 GTI? what would you get?

[@GTGarageTalk]

🤔 tempting comparison.

[@vroomgc]

@@GTGarageTalk If u said a mk7.5 I'd say the GTI but for sure I'd pick the new Kia for warranty and longevity being that the VW is getting long in the tooth.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@vroomgc Touche

[@Bim-Bow]

@@vroomgc well yeah, 2019 🤔 But i see your point on the warranty… besides… its new 🤔

[@robertohiguera8832]

I was deciding between a used MK7 GTI and the kia forte gt. I ended up choosing the kia forte gt. It's a new car, you have factory warranty, the interior is nicer and obviously more modern to a used GTI and the performance between the two are very similar. I raced a stock MK7 GTI recently, I was able to beat it by a few cars. I do have a raceship and an intake though. I spent about $500 USD for those parts. I also upgraded the tires because the stock tires aren't going to cut it. It's also very hard to find a GTI that hasn't been molested. When I was looking for one, I found several that the mods it had previously were removed and the seller was trying to sell it as a stock car, which is fine, but the clutch usually gives on the cars onced tuned. Upgrading tires on that car is a must as well.

[@davclark6757]

I’m getting it for fun on my down time, and comfort (heated seats) for the people I uber.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Good choice.

[@BarRYK333]

The Kumhos are good in wet tho

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@crow_2k11beatsbydre8]

2022 Honda Civic Si is a good vehicle, but overpriced especially in Canada the Forte/Elantra 201hp trims are good value and good vehicle too. But I ain't spending 5 to 6k more for the Honda name.........

[@GTGarageTalk]

Good points!

[@jbshp2011]

This is one of my choices real soon. But my only concern is the longevity reliability on this car. i have heard some issues with hyundai and kia about engine and transmission problems. So whoever owns the forte, how has your car been holding up because i really do like this new facelifted forte gt

[@GTGarageTalk]

Hyundai/Kia have hired some many people from others brands, they aren’t who they used to be. They are truly a force to be reckoned with

[@jbshp2011]

@@GTGarageTalk yeah thats true. i mean dont get me wrong i like hyundais and kias i own a 2012 sonata bought it brand new the same year. i guess back then they had people who didnt come from different parts of this planet when they build these products. my car is still to this day never had any major issues so far but now im farfetched as to well if i buy a current hyundai or a kia product . is it going to as long as i own a certain product 5 years or more is the transmission going to go up or is the turbo equipped models(ie forte 1.6 turbo or sonata 1.6 turbo) going to stall or catch fire. the warranty on these are to cover certain parts at no charge but are they going to give you a new engine or transmission but yet you just put 5000 or 10,000 miles on the vehicle. tell me something.

[@naodwalk]

@@jbshp2011 They offer some of the best warranty of any car manufacturer. 5yr/60k warranty bumper-to-bumper and 10yr/100k powertrain to the original owner. I'd say they have a fair bit of confidence in their product to be offering that. My friend owns a Kia Niro (not the same, I know) but he drives an obscene 50k miles a year and, at 150k miles, hasn't had a single un-executed repair; just general maintenance. I'm a long-time Honda driver, but I'm heavily considering trading my 2012 Civic Si for one of these.

[@mattperr4548]

I have a 2019 forte with 131,000 miles no issues. I also have 2021 forte GT2 with 515 miles

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@jbshp2011 From our research, this latest generation is holding up quite well. should not see any major issues, much like your 2012.

[@ArronTay]

Si needs high octane 91 and up , GT gets that HP on regular 87. Needs to be addressed, lots of $$$$$ saved with the GT.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Good point!

[@theXavier36]

That’s why my girl and I just went with this. Her 07 si guzzled premium gas. And same horsepower got it in manual. And takes 87. No brainer. Also it’s 20k cheaper then a brand new si here

[@thndercat1]

I like it, but I careless about loud reviving sound

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@STEVE33437]

I disagree about the engine sound. I think it sounds great!

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@johnm7882]

I saw a review of this car in Canada and it had rear heated seats. Do you know if they have the same here in the states?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Not here 😔

[@johnm7882]

@@GTGarageTalk Thank you for your reply 🙂

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@johnm7882 happy to help

[@Connor78255]

I'd agree with this being a contender to the civic Si if not for the Si actually producing around 220 wheel horsepower, also the lack of any type of limited slip diferential up front is going to make it difficult to put the power down through the corners like the Si can.

[@M4B21S88]

I've seen the dyno clip by Hondata that shows it's making 220 whp, which would put it at ~245 hp at the CRANK, no? Yet it seems either slower or not much faster than the 10th gen. I'll believe it is making 250 CRANK when we see some STOCK pulls in the 1/4 mi showing 99-100 mph trap speed...bc at 2950 lbs (and by including the weight of the driver) and 250 hp that's what it SHOULD be able to pull under some good conditions.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I will reserve final judgement until I can drive it, but for a fun, relatively cheap car…this Forte was a blast. And a bargain compared to the Si

[@GTGarageTalk]

It’s possible. Time will tell. Looking to get my hands on an Si to test to really let you know

[@SIIKAP1]

@@M4B21S88 that’s because it makes 200 to the wheels, not crank. Crank is around 220-230. Hondata dyno is hub dyno with a calibration that reads closest to brake horsepower, not wheel horsepower. The roller dynos read around 190-203 whp.

[@M4B21S88]

@@SIIKAP1 ahh gotcha. I was about to say..and with 240-250 hp that thing should be trapping 100 mph and doing 0-60 way faster than 7 sec. The Forte 1.6t makes about 185-190 wheel and 195-200 wtq.

[@QuiquePR]

You have from the dealership the $200 options Michelín Pilot Super Sport 4S summer tires, please do it, the best option, because in the tires shop you need pay $200 for one tire.

[@GTGarageTalk]

The manual comes with the upgraded tires too! Yet another reason to opt for the stick.

[@QuiquePR]

@@GTGarageTalk I upgraded my DCT 2020 Forte GT with summer tires and the difference is very surprised, with my original tires the car try to grip making little jumps from the dig and the traction control activate, with my new summer tires the grip is fenomenal. The DCT needs the same option.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@QuiquePR I can only imagine how much better proper tires would make this vehicle!

[@QuiquePR]

Can tell you more or less in two weeks how much grip my new tires, I going to the mountains between Carolinas, my brother get a 2017 BMW 230i so we can test how close we are. We tested her Mini Copper Countryman vs my Forte GT in the mountains and we are close in performance, in straight the Forte GT take the lead. Also we tested with a rented Ford Mustang convertible 4 cylinder turbo, also the Forte get the lead. Also I tested with a V6 Charger in the straight, and get the lead. Is a great sleeper. With 50 or 75 HP is a Great killer. Kia have a great chassis in this car, have a great opportunity to compete with a Civic Type-R, Kia need a special edition before make changes to EV

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@QuiquePR Im not sure if it is Type-R worth.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZDLnXSwe6uFfck

[@potatochobit]

does the forte have a real rear suspension or is it a torsion beam like in a kia soul?

[@GTGarageTalk]

Multi link rear suspension.

[@Msasha2727]

It’s funny someone would think the automatic was fun. If you wouldn’t drive the stick, I’d get something that put its budget into comfort.

[@GTGarageTalk]

It can still be a fun car. Just le as fun. Look at all the hypercars with autos now.

[@williamdemers1641]

Is it really an extra to get a mt now? Bought my 21 gt mt last year and the price was arround 1500cad$ less than the dct

[@GTGarageTalk]

Just different packaging. Has better tires and such for better performance. We have a video coming soon testing an MT version

[@GoodL81]

I have been waiting for a video like this I want to say ty so much for making it well said I agree with it all. I have a GT manual transmission and let me tell you this car is amazingly fun! I agree I don't have much traction and that is the only bummer I have with it oh and I wish I can remote start my car when the transmission is left in neutral 😐

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks for watching! There are aftermarket kits for remote starting a manual. www.bestreviews.guide/remote-car-starter-manual-transmission?&origin=google&google_params[matchtype]=&google_params[network]=g&google_params[device]=m&google_params[creative]=533109193145&google_params[keyword]=&google_params[adposition]=&google_params[adgroupid]=125102079255&google_params[campaignid]=13872118049&bs=&google_params[feeditemid]=&google_params[targetid]=dsa-51445251587&google_params[loc_interest_ms]=&google_params[loc_physical_ms]=9027086&google_params[devicemodel]=&google_params[target]=&new_api=true&dest=0&sys_id=0%7C903&gclid=Cj0KCQiAraSPBhDuARIsAM3Js4pFiEdF9GaMYEFKZvMtqb9PoXpAr7UsSGVgEYeTTuOijhTHATTmupoaAjR9EALw_wcB

[@cadbane1980]

I own a 2021. After a decent amount of mods, I love the car even more. Such a sleepy vehicle.

[@GTGarageTalk]

🤘🏼

[@potatochobit]

which is better GT or GT line?

[@GTGarageTalk]

GT

[@amirmorales620]

Im going to get this car ❤️❤️

[@GTGarageTalk]

Do it 😉😎

[@parkjoon5594]

So you now have to “upgrade” to 6MT?!?!

[@GTGarageTalk]

🤣 Weird, right?!? It also comes with better tires and more equipment. Apples to apples, it would be priced the same as this GT2 we drove with the DCT

[@xianshep]

Better than the trend of the past five or ten years: "You want a STICK!?! Then cloth seats and base model only for you!"

[@MrRGM10]

Is this in canada or us

[@GTGarageTalk]

US

[@maoinc13]

I don't know what you are talking about that the exhaust doesn't sound good !!! That exhaust sounds way better than the Honda Civic SI , if you upgrade to a better cold air intake and a delete exhaust it would sound way better than it is

[@GTGarageTalk]

Cameras can only capture so much on sound

[@GoodL81]

I was going to say how come the GT manual transmission vehicle I got doesn't have cooling seats! :( I'm bummed 😞

[@GTGarageTalk]

That is crazy. 😔

[@kiastingergt2231]

That’s incredible

[@GTGarageTalk]

Thanks

[@terrenperez]

No LSD , no buy Kia forte. Si has limited slip diff and phararable stage 3 tune will make around 255 HP and keep that mpg.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Understandable

[@davidjean6753]

The transmission also won't grenade itself at 70k and Honda stands behind their warranty even though it is shorter.

[@tojvan]

I own a 2005 Honda Civic and a 2013 Kia Optima sx turbo. My optima has had 2 engine swaps while my civic is going strong without any issue. Nothing has been repaired except for regular maintenance. That dual clutch might work fine for 5 to 6 years but in the 7th year I am sure it is going to blow up and take your hands with it. Now 2022 civic si is better period. Exterior wise it looks classy where as forte is shaped like an American football. Quality of interior is a step above in the civic and it’s actually rated at 220HP (Honda understated it). From my experience I’m pretty sure the fuel mileage in that forte is going to be below average regardless of what Kia claims. In Canada the si has way more features compared to what is offered in America so it is a no brainer as to what you should chose.

[@GTGarageTalk]

The real question, as many other comments have pointed out, is the Honda as much better as the price tag demands? My answer would be no. Much can be done with THOUSANDS of dollars and don’t forget the best warranty in the industry.

[@crow_2k11beatsbydre8]

Your unfortunately living in the past, KIA/Hyundai were a nightmare 10 years ago, but not no more. Honda Civic Si is no way worth $5000-$6000 more than Forte/Elantra 201hp trims.......

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8 You are very correct... Kia has come a very long way.

[@tojvan]

@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8 I thought the exact same thing in 2013 when I bought the car. People have been saying this for a decade now. In 2013 people were saying this is not the Kia of early 2000s. Guys there is a price for everything that dual clutch look into it. It is known to be unreliable in the long run. If someone is giving you value at a low price point more often than not reliability will be an issue. I loved my optima until last year when I started getting all these problems. Now don’t get me wrong I have lifetime power train warrant which is great. But it take anywhere from 6-12 weeks for an engine swap and having been through 2 of them back to back is a very frustrating experience. In the mean time my dusty old civic is there to pick up the pieces. Thank god I didn’t get rid of it.

[@crow_2k11beatsbydre8]

@@tojvan Turbocharged motors are a longevity killer, your right and it also depends on the drivers if their a heavy foot driver or conservative driver. As far as reliability in KIA/Hyundai vehicles In 2022, it's nite and day these Korean automakers learned their lessons from making poor engines to transmissions in the past 10 years. Their vehicles are better engineered nowadays.....

[@theamazinggoldfish8713]

I'm afraid I am too impressed with cargo space on the Honda Civic sport hatchback, and the shifting. 🏹🤠👍

[@GTGarageTalk]

That’s cool too!

[@mroddydawg]

Loveee my 2021 gt line

[@GTGarageTalk]

🤘🏼

[@comic247]

does it have the nline engine of 285 HP?

[@GTGarageTalk]

The N-Line has the same 201 hp 1.6L as this GT

[@ironreed2654]

Get me one with an LSD while their still 4k less than a Civic SI and Im sold. EDIT: The 6-speed also includes most of the "Premium" package features like the better speakers.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Correct about the 6 speed.

[@mengdynasty6034]

It definitely looks better than the Si.

[@GTGarageTalk]

Yup. More agressive

[@clandfaf]

Love everything about it except the engine. Why not just throw the Hyundai Genesis Coupe engine in this sucker. Also the loaded ones can you find for MSRP or cheaper?

[@GTGarageTalk]

A good exhaust could improve this one.

[@LEON-vt8zz]

very nice design. Congrats KIA.

[@GTGarageTalk]

I know, right?!?

[@kenbugden6653]

2021 owner. Fun little car unfortunately my dct grenaded at 4500kms and I'm 47 and drive pretty easy. Hopefully a 1 off because I like the car. Kia dealer experience had been less than stellar in dealing with the situation. It's been a week now and haven't received an update o timeline

[@GTGarageTalk]

Oh no! Sorry you are having issues! Transmission issues are terrible. My first car was constantly in the shop with transmission woes. Dealers can always be the weak link in brand customer service. Luckily for us, our Kia dealership is top notch. Hoping yours gets you fixed up soon.

[@eric9249]

Forte GT vs Civic Si = at their designated MSRP I'd opt for the Honda. Under the current climate, Civic Si is WAY overpriced, the Forte is affordable.

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@nehalpatel4244]

Forte GT looks like Civic banged Corolla and they had a baby together. Elantra N-Line has a Sportier Coupe look.

[@GTGarageTalk]

🤣

[@Dezo_RedKia]

Walked a civic Si 3 car lengths 30 roll

[@GTGarageTalk]

👍🏼

[@Cj_S2k]

Nice car and great review, but two very important factors are being left out when trying to compare this to a Si. #1. Is resale value, tho the Kia may be a better bargain it doesn't hold a candle to a civic si in the resale market you kinda get what you pay for #2 . The aftermarket support. Honda pretty much sets those cars up so they can be modified and the aftermarket support for Hondas are out of this world and always has been for years. You have 10th gen civic si with 4-5 hundred horsepower. Unfortunately the Kia doesn't have the same level of support in this department

[@GTGarageTalk]

True, but you gotta start somewhere. We are just glad there is some serious competition. Completion breeds innovation.

[@ironreed2654]

I mean there are tuners for it, just not "pre-packaged" modules like Cobb or Hondata. The lack of a LSD is a much more expensive issue to me.

[@Cj_S2k]

@@ironreed2654 for sure.

[@GTGarageTalk]

@@ironreed2654 true

[@QuiquePR]

We have SXTH Element here in South Carolina, and many parts you can get from the Veloster turbo. The air filter I have is from Veloster. The next is cross drills brakes.

[@misnomerl6329]

Hey exhaust sounds better than my 21’ Type R 😂

[@GTGarageTalk]

😯