Bill Russell Would NOT be IMPACTFUL Today *

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[@r3ddtrtv145]

If Bill Russell played today with the same mentality, it's possible that he wouldn't be as impactful BUT it's also possible that he would be just as impactful but just in a different way

[@almightymike9484]

If u put him on the Jazz and try to have him defend everything like they did with Gobert he’s not gonna be as impactful. U need other pieces around him

[@qupope6955]

It'll depend on what team he's one honestly

[@r3ddtrtv145]

@igotsixringsnigga Yeah but anytime you compare eras it will always be a hypothetical so the the conversation should be initiated with that already established. That allows the conversation to flow without small discrepancies over a lack of context.

[@r3ddtrtv145]

@@almightymike9484 definitely. Nobody is guarding all 5 in any era so it's definitely a team effort. A philosophy could be adopted that makes him just as effective. It would just look different

[@tysonthomas2996]

Facts I never said he would not be impactful. I just was speaking to the Goat debate.

[@jaylenroberts8390]

Marz back on the bill train🔥🔥😂

[@MarzTalksSports]

i never left

[@jaylenroberts8390]

@@MarzTalksSports he replied 😂

[@Dc225_]

Yea if you dropped prime Bill Russell in 2020 and he saw a three-point line he would just explode or something instead of idk… learning and adapting

[@dxtremecaliber]

they thought Humans in the 50s are just monkeys and humans today is like superrobots they forgot humans adapt in any era lol

[@BeastSquad-uq1wh]

He was really a(n) intelligent player

[@TheShadow84]

Bill Russell, Dennis Rodman, & Ben Wallace defense transcends generations. Put respect on their names.

[@Kingchasethebag-yeah]

Facts

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Yes we should but they’re all garbage offensively. You need more than setting screens and getting offensive rebounds.

[@strongbone9471]

Their offense doesn't though. There's a reason why Vanderbilt barely played in the nugget series.

[@Kingchasethebag-yeah]

Hakeem???

[@TheShadow84]

​@@Kingchasethebag-yeahof course the Dream

[@jalenlthomas]

Mars be playin y’all like some damn instruments shit is insane when it’s live 😭

[@jaywally6322]

Marz was COOKIN that dude in the beginning 😂

[@P5___]

The meat riding by jj is crazy right here

[@StefIsCold]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jerrywilliams120]

Lol Marz the type of nigga when you get em he’ll smoothly change a little bit of the question

[@tayluc777]

Facts

[@quann06]

He won't admit it's a hypothetical 🤣🤣🤣.

[@510MELLYMEL]

He invented the block in basketball.

[@goatjameskingdom]

This is why we record the show. Ppl say things then backtrack when caught

[@YER3721]

This was such a dumb argument. Screaming over if it’s a hypothetical for 20 minutes

[@StefIsCold]

Facts i lost brain cells watching

[@saundadon6534]

Its not about if russel hypothetically could defend schemes today. The fact is he did not have to and that matters. We have to compare what they actually did and what they went against, not how they hypothetically would stack up in a different matchup

[@chrilpy]

It’s completely hypothetical because Bill Russell played in the 50s and 60s and we’ll never see him play in todays game

[@r3ddtrtv145]

Well, he shouldn't have even brought it up as a point then by saying he would be less impactful today if it wasn't open for discussion.

[@saundadon6534]

@@chrilpy obv but we know what bill russell did and we can take his career and compare it to a more modern player and see the difference between skill level and overall what someone was asked to do on their team

[@King_Vic92]

​@saundadon6534 to a degree you can but it'll never be accurate. Cause at the end of the day, he didn't grow up with the amount of resources that today's kids or modern players have. His game could be taken to a whole new level if he grew up in today's game and practed today's skill set since he was young. That's the point Marz is really making in my opinion

[@YoBankaccountformyparlay]

High pick and roll, and one man sits in the corner and waits for a pass is not a scheme that's the most simplified strategy we have in basketball

[@kentestedonxbox]

Tyson got cooked. Spent 15 minutes avoiding the fact that he contradicted himself. Marz truly didn't care about the fact that he used a hypothetical, Tyson was just in denial 😂

[@neworleans018]

Mannnn give Mr. Russell some kds or lebrons 👟 throw away them chucks he gon be like scottie pippen 94ft pick up giving everybody WORK 😂❤ 🌹🙏

[@ogog9228]

4:39 lmfaoooo KryBaby 😂

[@Vortexnicholas]

2:02 prove it 😂😂😂tell em marz

[@jarenjaren2478]

10:00 when he do it to ticket it’s all good

[@chrilpy]

6’10, 7’4 wingspan, was a star track athlete. He’d still be an elite rebounder and defender. Outside of offensive rebounds, screens, and passing, Bill Russell was a bad offensive player, but the same goes for Bam Adebayo who’s the 3rd best center in the league

[@tysonthomas2996]

Fair but Bam will never be in any Goat debates to my point.

[@brycesmoov3313]

Bam is a bad offensive player? He averages 20 on good efficiency bro if bill Russell played in the league he’s not a star at all best he’s bam with worse offensive cause 44 percent on layups is terrible even in his era

[@j_quan2594]

Bam is a bad offensive player???

[@kingjaydex7464]

Bam can score and he can pass he’s better offensively than Bill Russell

[@jxmmykriminallive]

if he grew up in this era playing basketball the way it’s played today he’d be an entirely different player you can’t really say what he would and wouldn’t succeed at

[@anselmaule865]

Winning is a team effort with an implementation of a system, Russell would exploit players weakness today, he would've been a ferocious defender today even Kareem spoke about him.

[@selras9413]

If Bill played today he wouldn't be as impactfull as he is back in the day, not because his defense wouldn't transition but rather due to his limitations offensively and so it'll be about is his limitations offensively compensated enough defensively for him to stay on the court enough to rock up accolades and impact the game defensively as he did back in the 60s.

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Also if you watch film. The flood is pretty spaced in the 60’s floor spacing suffered in the 90’s and 2000’s because it was the golden era of the big man in the 90’s and 2000’s

[@r3ddtrtv145]

The floor was spaced but not for the intent of perimeter shooting. It was for creating more ground to cover for defenses and room to work on the block. Today the spacing is because everyone can shoot which completely changes how you approach the game as far as schemes are concerned

[@BT405]

There is plenty of footage of Bill guarding wings and guards, coming out to the"perimeter" to guard a guy like Oscar and being able to easily retreat back to the paint to protect the rim

[@sergeistalin7916]

Not the same when the perimeter players wasnt at 25 feet and willing to shoot it(also they could barely handle the ball). Is like guarding Westbrook, you know you only have to guard the drive. Reality is the 3 pointline gives more options offensively, even more today that players actually make them. Bill Russell couldnt be in 2 places at the same time, thats just physics, the moment the other team has more options than just drive to the paint his impact is going to be lower.

[@gmailgmail6234]

Wings that can’t dribble

[@Princecharisma111]

Marz is right but his argument hella disingenuous. Obviously when we speak about 3 point spacing, we talking bout when spacing is most prevalent which is when 3 pointers are actually a factor (2020s)

[@Cotswolds1913]

Idk why Marz & Low can't just accept that the 1960s is an era that artificially inflates Bill's value relative to other eras. Field goal percentage was so low, and average shooting distance so short, that not only is rim protection going to be more impactful, but rebounding from bigs as well, because of the short bounces off the rim from closer-in shots, giving a higher % of rebounds to big men.

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

​@@Cotswolds1913that's not just the 60s. He would still retain a lot of his advantages for 50 years of the leagues history

[@Cotswolds1913]

@@RLSmith-jt8qj Sure, 50s and 70s.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Cotswolds1913u know ive said exactly what u just said word for word verbatim many times so idk what u mean i cant accept it

[@Cotswolds1913]

@@MarzTalksSports Fair enough, but I wouldn’t know it from listening to this vid. It seems here you are opposed to that view.

[@natty_17]

Look at ESPN Marz so inspirational

[@MKL3165]

If Draymond green can be impactful. Yes put bill on the right team he would be impactful. On a bad team he would be a Ben Wallace/upgraded andre Drummond. So he would be a all star player at least for sure. 8-9 time for sure, with 19 points and 13.0 rebound seasons. Thats like Dennis his stats and defense would be amazing but it won't matter if he blocks 7 shots. Then the other people on his team as defenders are ass. That's when the impact would not be that great.

[@pandabear1576]

Draymond is a prototype defender with much better passing ability than bill ever showed even in the era he played in. On top of that he’s a good rebounder. Bill couldn’t even take advantage of his offensive opportunities efficiently back then then lied by saying it’s cause fans would hate him. That’s some bs he was ass around the rim

[@coreythomas3633]

BILL CAN PLAY ON ANY TEAM HE A TEAM FIRST PLAYER.

[@FahadDonRimz]

Where you getting 19pts from. Anyone whos ever averaged that much has had some semblance of an offensive game which Bill Russell even during that era didn’t prove to have.

[@quistophercolumbus9908]

You obviously haven’t been watching draymond since Michigan state and summer league also some older clips of practice that have been deleted because I can’t seem to find them anywhere anymore, but draymond used to be able to crest his own shot, I’m not saying shoot but he definitely had a mid range and pull up jumper. Bill didn’t have any of that and draymond didn’t have to adapt because he was brought into GS because of that reason that he could do that. It was only when they adapted the system of shooting 3s and running offense and the warriors playbook that made him start playing like a play making four. Please don’t compare the two of them because draymond was a monster his senior year of college and changed based on the type of playing he was conducted to when getting to the league

[@rashamererivera8083]

I get marz point the other guy was saying as if bill wouldn’t be a great defender in the 3pt era which is not true because the 3pt line as been around for 40 years and teams have only started abusing it in the last 10 years also there’s more evidence based on the eye test on bill and his athleticism and agility that he would still be a great defender for most of the 3 point era rather than not being able to deal with those offenses I think people just love to automatically slam the pioneers of the game also why can’t we just rate the players on there eras playing the hypothetical game if fun but that’s just about scalability in all eras that also should matter don’t get me wrong but it shouldn’t be the end all be all

[@eljefe6161]

You put Bill Russell in the more modern NBA his floor is Dennis rodman, his ceiling is Tim Duncan

[@tayluc777]

No

[@tayluc777]

His floor is Clint Capela his ceiling Ben Wallace.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

@@tayluc777 👍

[@mayowaojutalayo5298]

Damn I should come up here

[@jR-NASTY]

I get Marz’s point, Tyson saying don’t use a hypothetical point and then uses a hypothetical is pretty hypocritical.

[@r3ddtrtv145]

It was moot though

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

Tyson got cooked in this debate

[@Ty-kp7dm]

bill russell was probably the best defensive player of all time. He was extremely quick on his feet and was versatile defensive. He was also a extremely good athlete even by todays standards. Not only that, he was a very passer esp for his size and position. Was one of the best offensive rebounders ever. Also he was a playoff riser. None of those things are changing in todays game. Also this entire argument is stupid. Players should be judged on relativity to era(with context and some exceptions of course) Obviously if you teleport lebron to the 60s hes gonna cook. But if lebron grew up in that time frame without the benefit of the future then things would be way different.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

The perimeter players he went against don't compare to the ones that after his era. He also didn't have the same level of competition.

[@daevonthesavage7483]

​@@blackmanwithcomputerSO WHAT??? HIS COMP WAS WILT CHAMBERLAIN.

[@blackmanwithcomputer]

@@daevonthesavage7483 defensively. Also, Bill had a squad around him. Offensively, he'd be a liability today.

[@sabalipeaceandpatience9264]

Ben Wallace, same height, freak athlete

[@cartergammage1540]

This was so satisfying to watch. This ain’t even about basketball. People just need to learn how to communicate logically. At this point with basketball debates, I don’t care if you have issac bonga over Micheal Jordan as long as you are consistent and logical in your argument.

[@sparte6856]

Ain’t no logical reason to prove That Bonga is over Jordan unless u rank players alphabetically 😭😭

[@dxtremecaliber]

@@sparte6856lmao facts thats consistent low iq basketball takes

[@almightymike9484]

Troll Marz is nasty Ngl.

[@MarzTalksSports]

where is the troll

[@KB-qk1ic]

This clip is an example of what will keep this channel from growing. The host shouldn't have allowed this argument to continue. Tyson brought up a fair point and Marz could have easily countered without wasting everybody's time arguing about the semantics of a hypothetical.

[@RoninBgk]

Some of these people wouldn't and shouldn't be taken serious. My gawd 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@shortyduwop9060]

Is bruh from the uk?

[@harissonbond7499]

Lol none of yall has seen Bill Russell play in great amount of detail yet are arguing over it for 18 min

[@Kingchasethebag-yeah]

That’s something a old head would get mad about👴👴👴👴👴👴🥸🥸🥸the old heads be like bill would average 6 blocks 30 rebounds and a triple double a game but on a real note bill probably win less in this era.he’s still the greatest defender of all time tho.

[@omarionbrown3075]

Nah its just annoying to see idiots who never watched a game of the 60s downplay how great they were in their era. I've just turned 18 a few days btw

[@Kingchasethebag-yeah]

@@omarionbrown3075 bill is the greatest defender of all Time but I meant it in it’s not debatable.but he would not win like he did in the 60s do you agree?

[@Kingchasethebag-yeah]

@@omarionbrown3075 i still think it’s a debate with Hakeem.

[@Kingchasethebag-yeah]

@igotsixringsnigga man he is the greatest defender ever but i don’t think he would win that much now.

[@StefIsCold]

He would still get a few rings depending on team, a defensive center by himself cant win as much without the team around him that bill had. Of course nobodys winning 11 rings in this era, jordans bulls and golden state and kobe shaq are the 3 teams past 1990 that could come anywhere close to bill and the 60s celtics dynasty. Put bill on the Spurs of the 2000s/2010s and he is def getting 4-6 rings IMO

[@rawbellco49]

OMG, why would Bill Russell be on the perimeter?

[@adrijiyuda]

Dudes like Marz ruin basketball debates. Truly great players translate to any era simply because they’re that great. Period.

[@DaDon357]

He didn’t. He cooked buddy.

[@MarzTalksSports]

tf i do

[@sparte6856]

@@MarzTalksSportsI think u ruin basketball debates apparently

[@merrickjackson1623]

I think that bill Russel could have but to be real, the ball handlers of his day weren’t the ones we have now. I don’t honestly know how bill would look switching out on Steph Curry. ?

[@mymountrushmore6235]

Zero chance Bill Russell doesn’t win multiple titles…man had that Kobe Jordan mentality. He was also the most under appreciated freak athlete the games seen. He was one of the best jumpers the leagues ever seen.

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Bill Russell is taller, faster, and jumped higher than Dwight Howard, Bam Adebayo, Dennis Rodman, Draymond Green, and Ben Wallace. He was an offensive facilitator and pioneered the fast break. If Orlando can go to a Finals with Dwight playing 4 out and 1 in why couldn’t a team built around Bill Russell do the same?

[@Cotswolds1913]

Because Bill Russell isn't a creative scoring threat, the offense would have to be built around someone else.

[@howitzdone8992]

Maybe becuz that’s not the only thing that matters when talking about defense there are plenty of guys who are taller faster stronger and jump higher than draymond but that doesn’t mean their better defenders and a team built around bill would need some all world offenses talent to win a chip today

[@SplashBandicoot5]

Dwight was 6’11 he was taller than Bill

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Well because Dwight was a better scorer. Russell plays more like a mix of bam and draymond, not Dwight

[@TheIcemanthomas]

@@SplashBandicoot5no he’s not. Dwight is 6 ft 9 and some change. He was billed 6 ft 11 but that’s not he real height.

[@cousindeej8941]

Marz 💪

[@slicktom300]

Bill Was a Straight Athlete this dude gotta cut it out .

[@DaDon357]

Why buddy acting like Rudy Gobert don’t have a DPoY in this era? 🥴😭😭

[@floatinrocktubetalk3768]

This podcast is lucky to have Mars. Logic always wins.

[@Dologaming24]

How y’all missing that In a era where everyone was trying to get the closest shot possible, a great Interior defender and shot blocker Is more Impactful than he would be In a era where guys are shooting more and more shots from further and further away? Y’all the same people that say day after day how the big, physical enforcers aren’t as valuable today because the game Is so perimeter oriented. Offensive players were going to Bill Russell back then. They’re trying to stay away from bigs today.

[@kobewest03]

they marz fans boys its so obvious this is true

[@calebwarren6345]

​@@kobewest03the point was Marz did the same thing he did and he tried to call him out. Pointing out modern medicine and the 3 point line is the same thing.

[@tayluc777]

Facts Marz got cooked.

[@jstopgamingl1671]

First of all we actin like there were no players who still took jumpshots and stayed away from the basket even though there was no 3 point line. Sure the main point was to get to the basket cause it's high percentage but you think they'll still just drive into bill rather than take a jumpshot and that doesn't even factor in that Bill back then and even now would be able to step out to anyone shooting and still not get cooked, I mean people forget that Bill was a trackstar with a damn near 40 inch vertical and a 7'5 wingspan but people still say all that wouldn't translate today and he would be awful today and it's truly ridiculous.

[@hoffa8873]

Literally the most pointless argument I've ever heard in my life. Arguing over semantics & wtf a hypothetical is. Maybe we should talk basketball instead ? Lol

[@trip9755]

Hypothetical or not he would not be as dominant on defense because the game has changed it’s not just dribble drive post up it’s that simple. He still would be great

[@290TheEmpireRecords]

now it's dribble, don't drive then shoot a long 3

[@tysonthomas2996]

Salute my bro Marz. Had me steaming like Willy Beamin.😂 he was right about the hypothetical but my point is still valid imo.

[@Thereaper5]

Your point was valid bro Marz is very irrational when he gets pushback

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Thereaper5lol calm ur tits

[@MarzTalksSports]

lmao all good tyson espn marz had to make content

[@RecapRico]

Tyson… Bill Russell played 79 game seasons with 8 teams… half the league had HOF Centers. He’s played the most competition of anyone ever and won the most.

[@daeshawnkemp879]

​@RecapRico using the HOF is a terrible measurement. Its players in there that got inducted as groups and off the court ressons

[@zay1521]

russell would be as impactful or more impactful since the league currently plays small line ups

[@jays]

Its funny listening to people argue when they are both right 😂 It's not even about Bill- no defender in todays game has had the same impact as he did back then, the rules and the game don't allow it. There are such things as hypotheticals and there's such things as deducing fact from things that have happened/are happening. Simple rewording of Tyson's statement and the whole useless hypothetical argument could've been avoided. They are both right

[@coreythomas3633]

BILL RUSSELL WOULD MOST HAVE A IMPACT IN TODAY. HIM AND LEBRON ARE TRUE WINNERS. TEAM FIRST BASKETBALL WIN CHIPS. NOT BALL HOG NONSENSE LIKE MJ.

[@ItzKhalilTv]

There was no 3pt shot and for half his career there was no goaltending.

[@dxtremecaliber]

the goaltending arguement is fair but the 3pt shot is nonsense because humans can adapt in any era yall think humans in 50s is like monkeys and humans today is like superrobots lol

[@xavierb9061]

Bill russell is greatest to ever play. No one dominated their era like him. This being said no 3pt line etc...doesnt count

[@beazy3364]

He wasn't better than Wilt he just had a better team.

[@xavierb9061]

@@beazy3364 better..little research would help

[@TheIcemanthomas]

@@beazy3364depends on the definition of better. Bills game won. Wilt had great teammates and couldn’t get it done half as much as Russell. And it should tell u something that the blueprint for sucess at the center position for nearly every center INCLUDING wilt is to base ur game after Russell. Pass more, score less, hone in on your defense. Works every time and every generation of bigs just add their own style to the bill Russell blueprint. No one has succeeded consistently playing like wilt. To me that makes bill the better basketball player. Wilt was the more domineering athlete and talent as an individual. But this game isn’t about the individual. This ain’t track and field.

[@beazy3364]

@@TheIcemanthomas I'm not arguing with you. You not gonna tell me a guy who averaged 16 was better than somebody that could avg 50 and 20 for a season.

[@Thanosdidtherighthing]

Let’s be honest about Bill Russell…. 😮 As great as a defender he was, he was a horrendous scorer. Negative efficiency on low volume. Don’t let the 15 ppg fool you. That’s in an era with 20+ more possessions on average than today or the 1980’s. He can’t shoot. He can’t dribble. He can’t post up. He’s undersized. I legit don’t know how people even have him so high all time. The highest I could put him is 10 if I’m being very generous. He’s a slightly better scorer. He gets this weird winning bias boost in the rankings that other players like Dennis Rodman and Ben Wallace don’t get.

[@donaldf9055]

Diff eras, diff rules. Russel is the greatest defender ever and it was proven in the 60s as defence days obv was more valuable than offence because his teams were The bottom of The league offensively while at The top defensively all because of bill Russell. If offence was more valuable, the Lakers and wilt's teams would've won more than Russell's Celtics but they didn't.

[@YoBankaccountformyparlay]

Bill russel could dribble for a big his one man fastbreaks on his highlights show that and todays most bigs dont know how to post up except 2, but russel had enough for todays game plus with his athletic ability he could easily get 15 from putbacks running the lane and alley oops he's still an Olympic level broad jumper that translates to any era of basketball he doesn't have to post iso to get his and he showed it while playing there's many ways to score in the game of basketball and Bill knew the one's he could do

[@NoHandlzz]

Is he a horrendous scorer or a slightly better scorer?

[@StefIsCold]

@@NoHandlzzyeah that confused me lol

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

He could dribble he was one of they’re main facilitators on offense and he initiated the offense from the top of the key

[@3030stick]

Marz childish 😂🤣

[@certifiedchaos4643]

In todays game bull russel would probably avg 17pts and 11 rebounds per game

[@OK-ce8cn]

More like 14 pts and 14 rebounds. Bill russel barely averaged more than 17 pts in a few seasons I doubt he can do it now

[@gmailgmail6234]

He didn’t even average 17 in the 50s lol

[@certifiedchaos4643]

@@OK-ce8cn based off spacing he would be Kenneth faried Josh smith type high motor athletic guy who can attack the rim and run the floor

[@OK-ce8cn]

@@certifiedchaos4643 yk back then they were just running back and forth chucking up shots. They took like 200 possessions a game. Wilt’s stats would’ve been 20-15-3 per 75 possessions in HIS era. In this era they would decrease even more. That goes for bill too

[@AmariAnderson-wk4yz]

Bill Russell’s build leads me to believe that he’s still be better than Draymond. Is Draymond impactful to winning? Russell was an elite athlete all around. I think he could switch and pick up on the perimeter to an extent.

[@sergeistalin7916]

The argument isnt Draymond is impactful to winning(which he is as the 3rd best player on a team with a teammate that makes him look better than he is), the argument is "Would Bill Russells defense be as impactful today than it was in the 60s"? The answer is not.

[@coreythomas3633]

HEY KG NEVER PLAYED WILT CHAMBERLIN. SO HOW IS A GUY LIKE BILL RUSSEL. ABLE TO DEAL WITH WILT WHO AVG 50 PT GAME.

[@babygoat8143]

I'm with marz

[@Cotswolds1913]

why??

[@jarenjaren2478]

There’s only one big man in his era that we know of and he average almost 50 points per game on him. We listening to the opinions of people who never touched a 9 foot rim. The one who leads the show don’t even have outside basketball courts in his country.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@SosaLessTony]

Kb don’t have no takes jus agree wit the panel cornball

[@ScoutsHonor.]

Everybody is regurgitating the talking point that talent translates eras. What person created that notion for all y’all to start repeating at the same time? Because that is a hell of an assumption. You can only apply what you saw and the Bill Russell we saw could not hang today. At all.

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

Because???

[@ScoutsHonor.]

@@RLSmith-jt8qj because he couldn’t dribble, shoot or defend shifty point guards off the pick and roll. Imagine him having to guard Kyrie in a 7 game series..

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

@@ScoutsHonor. he would learn. The Sam way others players did because he was one of the smartest players on the floor. You acting like Bill Russell could pick up patterns in an offense.

[@ScoutsHonor.]

@@RLSmith-jt8qj you’re making an assumption. You’ve literally saw players in your lifetime not be able to adapt and get sent out the league.

[@ScoutsHonor.]

@@RLSmith-jt8qj the point is. You have to let old things die. These wild hypotheticals are ruining basketball talk because its all nonsensical. New players come in and they are going to be better. Y’all will not allow them to be because of whatever axe you have to grind or whatever nostalgia.. Lol

[@audriclloyd8947]

English is a hard language

[@cagedragnarok1781]

Dennis Rodman, Rudy Goebert and Ben Wallace entered the chat. What the hell is this dude talking about? As long as there are 2s there are opportunities to defend the paint. The only thing that can be gauged is what degree of player you can believe he would be which is a HYPOTHETICAL take

[@Ap25688]

Bill russel would be javelle mcgee in todays nba

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Boi stop

[@gmailgmail6234]

That’s being nice

[@j_quan2594]

Marz is harping on it being a hypothetical instead of saying why he aparently thinks Bill would be as impactful defensively in todays game. Hes believes Bill Russell COULDN'T be as impactful because of how the game is played, he simply asking if they agree or disagree with that statement.

[@MarzTalksSports]

well when someone tells me im using hypotheticals when they started the conversation with a hypothetical

[@j_quan2594]

​@MarzTalksSports It was a hypothetical and I dont know y he argued for so long, but at one point he conceded to it being a hypothetical and just wanted to get ur take on if Bill Russell would be as impactful on D. The convo got completely off topic, big part because of him but u also went right back around to educate him a the definition of a hypothetical

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@j_quan2594 as i should periodt 💅

[@ie5028]

It’s not hypothetical it’s projection and prediction. N it’s fairly accurate.

[@OK-ce8cn]

No it’s not lol. A projection is estimating a future situation based on the present. A prediction is an estimate of something thing that gonna happen in the future. What he was doing was making a hypothetical situation

[@ie5028]

@@OK-ce8cnhow do you predict without using present or past information?

[@OK-ce8cn]

@@ie5028 thats not what I said. U do predict using present information. But predicting is u guessing something that’s gonna happen based on ur present information. And in this case nothing is gonna happen bc it’s a hypothetical. Bill russel is not actually gonna play with the 3 point line

[@ie5028]

@@OK-ce8cn ok. this show is all about hypothetical, it’s bake in there. Dudes point was not about that. I predict that if u jump out a plane 30000ft in the air without a landing gear onto concrete u will die. That’s a predict based on physics. And it’s damn here accurate. If offense was mostly inside out, Russell effectiveness will likely drop. Sure he’s athletic and perhaps could move around to guard in todays game but I agree that the first effect is more dominant.

[@OK-ce8cn]

@@ie5028 the hypothetical their tryna argue isn’t as simple as jumping from an airplane. And his whole point that it was a hypothetical which it is. And also ofc u know u will die if u fall from an airplane cuz ppl have died doing that. U already know ppl die from falling from tall heights. Bill russel hasn’t played with the 3 point line

[@BeastSquad-uq1wh]

Don't compare bill russell to ben wallace or dennis rodman ever again. I don't know how you compare the two when these are 3 completely different players 1 has a leadership mentality and the other 2 don't and also 1 can and do a player coach and the others can't also 1 can give 40 to 48 mins and others can't and also 1 understood his role and knew how to make his teammates better and to keep on winning and making adjustments and the others didn't. Also their was a 3 point lane back in the day. Back in the 1940s actually, it just wasn't in the baa/nba.

[@sinan_wlr]

I agree with Marz on his Bill Russell take. However, I think that the medicine argument with LeBron is flawed. Sure, progress in medicine is A reason why LeBron was still playing great in year 20. But that’s not everything. Name me another player in the modern era (progress in medicine) who still played on an elite level after 20 years. There should be plenty, right?

[@MarzTalksSports]

KD has torn an achilles and is in year 17 still going.

[@donovanprice3321]

Balco

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Bill Russell ended his career in 1969, magic Johnson started his career in 1979. It’s 2023, could 2013 Kobe play today? People forget these era’s blend and overlap. 8 players from the 1969 allstar game were active in the 1980 season. Thats just counting all stars not players overall. My point is there were players who played against Russell n Wilt who played against Magic n Bird and some played against Jordan also. Same as there were players were played against Magic n Bird who also played against Lebron. Era’s do change but players are more than capable of changing with the times.

[@howitzdone8992]

Who tf player magic and bird and also played steph curry lol that’s a 20 year gap I need the name of these players

[@TheIcemanthomas]

@@howitzdone8992lol. He tweaked with that one. Shoudve said lebron or somebody..

[@howitzdone8992]

@@TheIcemanthomas I’m saying maybe I’m tripping

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

@@howitzdone8992 I made a mistake and typed Steph Curry when I meant Lebron my bad

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

@@TheIcemanthomas I meant Lebron, I was watching Steph highlights on my laptop while I was typing on my phone

[@kendrickstarr7232]

marz to low, the other guy is to high.

[@talaf6616]

Whoever this Tyson dude is cant listen to save his life, should’ve just said he was wrong from the 4 minute mark but had too much pride

[@blackjesus6433]

Cap! He had 5 hall of famers on his team, averaged about 17ppg, and played against 9 teams. 😂🙏🏾

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

Playing against 9 teams is a harder league though. Its 30 NBA teams take out the 14 teams in the lottery that leaves 16 teams. If you keep the 4 teams from each conference that get home court advantage that’s 8 teams. That’s a harder league to dominate because you truncate 450 players to only the absolute best of the best players.

[@talaf6616]

@@blackjesus6433 what does that have to do with the argument in the video

[@talaf6616]

@@Watchingvideoslikeu what does that have to do with the argument in the video? These are all hypotheticals which is fine but nothing about Bill’s game suggests that he couldn’t do it if more teams were there, you are just pointing out that having more teams would make it less probable that he would have the same impact

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

@@talaf6616 I was replying to blackjesus calm down

[@ocityentertainmentlive5185]

What, Bill Russell not impactful? Name another center right now that would give him problems or he would have problems slowing down? Jokic wouldn't be a le to keep up the pace at which Russell ran the floor and if Dwight Howard and Demarcus Cousins can slow Jokic down I'm sure Billl can too. And the same for Embid. Now after Jokic and Embid you got the same type of undersized power forwards playing Center. So you telling me Looney is grabbing 14 points and 15 rebs a game for GSW in the playoffs but Bill Russell couldn't do the same as stiff non athletic Kevon Looney??? Or Nic Claxton yeah I can tell it's a lack of basketball awareness in the world!

[@arianparker2482]

Mars is on some bs. Bill Russell was a very talented player that was not a heavy body that is limited in his agility and athletic abilities, Bill Russell was not slow or limited. Bill Russell was not a elite scorer and that was not his game. Bill Russell dominated the defensive end. He was so dominated, that he is in the G.O.A.T. conversation. I do care about the era he was so good at what he did, no so great, can we stop disrespecting these great players and players that generally great players!?

[@howitzdone8992]

No way u watched and then said that 😂 marz is bill Russell Stan

[@arianparker2482]

@@howitzdone8992 Mars is not a Bill Russell Stan, Mars is a opposite of a Stan. Mars is a hater of Bill Russell.

[@howitzdone8992]

@@arianparker2482 u don’t watch the show then marz has been calling bill Russell the goat for a min now and also thinks he is by far the greatest defender of all time u just don’t watch 😂 it’s cool tho

[@donovanprice3321]

Yeah - time to hit “don’t recommend channel”

[@kobewest03]

marz cooked himself naming the years cause bill Russell wouldn't be impactful in a nab shooting 3s

[@kobewest03]

he literally didnt wanna talk about 2015 on lmfaoo

[@MarzTalksSports]

hypothetical

[@ShadowWizard224]

This is my top 10 all time: #10 Hakeem #9 Duncan #8 Kobe #7 Shaq #6 Lebron #5 Magic #4 Bird #3 Wilt #2 Kareem #1 MJ

[@superSIZEmee]

Blasphemy