A History of Spikes: Part 2

[@Dave_Chrome]

Have you considered doing a video on Choice Scarf? If that's too broad, maybe just a single gen, or a tier within a gen that has your favorite scarf sets both ubiquitous and niche! I'd love to hear speed tier history in general, like how the shifting popularity of sets on common Pokemon, or important bans of certain Pokemon, affected speed tiers over time!

[@jobrosef7677]

A history of key speed tiers/speed creep on key mons in OU would be cool

[@MenwithHill]

Make a 3 hour video on all choice items. Call it "The hardest choice in competitive pokémon"

[@mmaaxxkk5177]

Speed tires over the years sounds awesome! Never thought about how a ban could could change them 🤔

[@ExpandDong420]

@@MenwithHill that's absolutely something he'd do

[@jacobnelson2608]

Roles of scarfers and what makes a mon a good scarfer are two ideas as well

[@jobrosef7677]

Damn, at least four self-plugs in one video?? BKC is really accepting the YT superstar lifestyle. Nice.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

I should've mentioned Donphan as a spinner. I really liked using it a few years ago. It was great. People are all on the Claydol train now, though... Also, here's the replay I mentioned at the end of the video - it's long, but I promise it's awesome / worth the watch: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen3ou-386420

[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

Wow man didn't know you were lazy enough to do that :/

[@emmetth3726]

Tfw Donphan is so dead not even BKC remembers to comment on it

[@darthtyros3142]

The claydol train has gone so far that Missdreavous is being used on super man to wall claydol forever and to prevent it from ever spinning. Same goes for Imprison Dusclops which uses Imprison to stop snorlax from using shadow ball or rest and it has the benefit of walking stamie/ Claydol all match.

[@evilcow666]

I have never such a match where pokes flail around aimlessly as that.

[@BE-tw9de]

writing here 'cause nobody cared about my comment: what are good ADV players on youtube that show their playthrough? Viability rankings do nothing for me to understand the current metagame. Thanks!

[@elilopez6260]

Wow spikes are such an interesting mechanic! The exclusivity in its users and the various immunities flying around sure do make one think in the teambuilder! I sure hope gamefreak keeps up this trend in future gens and doesn't create a new entry hazard that hits literally every mon in the game, breaks the kneecaps of fire, bug, and ice types for simply existing, and almost every decent mon gets. That would be awful.

[@NotBamOrBing]

Don't forget flying!

[@luckasneo2089]

this is the endgame of BKC videos. its when all the ADV videos come together.

[@alexemp6201]

If you ever get bored by doing something, just tune up BKC in the background and that thing becomes much more emjoyable

[@kellenrist3973]

Literally use this channel as a background when closing up my store haha

[@nickluckman1872]

Here I go again, listening to a man ramble for an hour about spikes in gens I don't play.

[@WTH1music]

Your thumbnails are amazing, love the style

[@aalamvirsinghdhaliwal1701]

THE SEQUEL WE'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR

[@nelsondaily]

I was more hyped for this than I was for Endgame

[@help.chiakinanami.1789]

Discord notifs coming in clutch

[@bannedsocks]

Can’t wait to see Gen 4’s spikes video

[@tysondennis1016]

Here’s an idea for an entry hazard: Ice Slick. This Ice-type entry hazard damages grounded Pokémon that switch in, based on their weight. Ice-types are immune. Here’s how much damage it does, depending on weight: -1/2 max HP to Pokémon more than 200 kg -1/4 max HP to Pokémon less than 200 kg, but more than 100 kg -1/8 max HP to Pokémon less than 100 kg, but more than 50 kg -1/16 max HP to Pokémon less than 50 kg, but more than 25 kg -1/32 max HP to Pokémon less than 25 kg Making it Ice-type Stealth Rock would be boring, if it just affected mons based on their defensive matchup against Ice. Making it deal damage based on weight would be cool. Also, Ice-types get a bit of a buff, as lots of them can learn this move, and they themselves are immune to Ice Slick. Flying-types and Levitate mons also enjoy this immunity. It’ll definitely help out Bug and Grass-types, who tend to be lightweight, while it’ll hurt Rock, Ground, and Steel-types, who tend to be heavy.

[@ilovemalaysia]

honey, wake up, another episode of the rambling BKC podcast just released

[@TeriaWiz]

Love waking up to these, great for a walk!

[@MANNAT.]

Can't wait for the DPP and BW sections of this video, considering those are probably the two generations where Spikes (in their current form) are the most dominant. Always love hearing your insight

[@WT_Neptune]

Not gonna happen

[@mylorddio8272]

Glalie's a nice spikes lead as well mainly because its faster then Smergale, though its VERY niche

[@Dave_Chrome]

That sexy Colosseum music aaaaaaa

[@adamriley9241]

Cowboy BKC out here wrangling in the views and engagement at the Ol'KZbin Corral. It's always sad to see him ride off into the sunset when he uploads.

[@annaangelic2318]

I would love to see a version of the history of Spikes with UU in mind.

[@BerylliumOxide]

Been looking forward to this so much.

[@ZombieMence]

ADVANCED OVERUSED Spikes TIME! BKC means ADV, BKC defines ADV and BKC blesses US with the first S of TSS!

[@maxlimit9129]

can you feel it? the algorhythm in your bones?

[@andreribeiro1140]

ayo this thumb is fire ngl

[@JasXD01]

Love listening to your videos @ work! Maybe you should try doing blindfolded pokemon stadium 2 challenge cup run sometime? I love your commentary!

[@messiah2203]

I'm a bit lost on the "cloyster isn't weak to magneton" thing. I would not want to have a water type physical wall that likes to explode hanging around anywhere near the special attacking electric steel type even if it can't be magpulled.

[@elephantfacts]

He just meant it’s a spiker that doesn’t get trapped like forre and skarm

[@zoomerbear9877]

Inspired by your channel, I’ve been playing spikes offense in adv for the past month after quitting competitive shortly after gen 6 and having never tried adv before. Almost to 1500 on ladder. Could you do a video about lead play and metagame for Adv when you have time? One of the harder aspects to pick up from my experience.

[@chopinfanclub6672]

absolutelyfantastic video

[@obiwancannoli1920]

When will there be the dpp ou video remake?

[@evangervais4001]

Mr BKC whatever happened to the DPP Ubers tourney? Or am i missing something

[@lilianmesmo]

your videos are always a blast to watch, thanks kev :) your vids always helped me keep calm at my crysis and i discovered just recently i'm autistic you can now say your videos are good for autistic people

[@yeet8036]

Another banger from bkc

[@captainkilos]

What’s the details with the Mr Mime ban that coming?

[@HanakkoLove]

Do a video about baton pass

[@josephzaarour6649]

Glalie has a niche, doesn't it?

[@cesarg.5750]

Don't worry, plug everything you want mid vid. It only feeds the hype.

[@jackmcgarrahan8777]

Random question in adv is it worse for a mon to be weak sandstorm or to spikes

[@jmcbango]

Depends on the mon and situation. Sandstorm is gonna be in effect every single game, while the opponent may not get spikes up every game; but then again, theres leftovers to cancel out sandstorm

[@santasangre996]

Whats your opinion on the recent trend of ranking Skarmory alongside or even above Ttar in ADV?

[@newjumpcityjosh9333]

Spikes are so lit

[@jayplay8869]

Why would clyster not be hard countered by magnaton ? 4:20

[@Jilufan]

Simply because the Cloyster can get out of the Magneton, and is not trapped by it and simply dies

[@jayplay8869]

@@Jilufan right so the mind set would be, mag who he’s in hard. You now have to play the game of , are they hard switching and if so to what and then that comes into play wouldn’t the mag be hard switching as well? All in all it still stops clyster from wanting to be out on the field… which doesn’t make since you be called hard countered by something you scare off.

[@TheOriginalSixx]

@@jayplay8869 Cloyster can come in on something else and set Spikes as Magneton switches in. Cloyster is then free to simply switch out to something that beats Magneton. Unlike Skarmory and Forretress who will be trapped and give up a free kill if Magneton switches into them when they set Spikes. BKC isn't talking in the sense of Cloyster and Magneton fighting 1v1. Also, if the Cloyster player can predict a Magneton switch-in, Magneton doesn't really like taking a Surf from Cloyster on the switch-in.

[@cowboydan4761]

@@jayplay8869 To add on to what Reece said, magneton teams tend to rely on magneton as their answer to spikes as whole just because of how ubiquitous skarm is and so when they can no longer trap and kill the opponent's spiker they're going to find themselves dealing with 3 layers a lot more often which puts a lot more pressure on those teams. Magneton obviously hard counters cloyster 1 on 1 but cloyster teams don't have to worry about magneton as a spike prevention method so they tend to fare well against them.

[@earlc6793]

To add onto the other comments, standard set of cloyster outspeeds magneton and 2hko with surf

[@BE-tw9de]

Unrelated but what are good ADV players on youtube that show their playthrough? Viability rankings do nothing for me to understand the current metagame. Thanks!

[@cringlator]

Lmao it’s only 12.5% bro not a big deal fr fr

[@jackclifton5434]

BKC CAN YOU DO A VIDEO ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BDSP UBERS AND DPP UBERS

[@obiwancannoli1920]

There's blaziken there, and articuno too

[@obiwancannoli1920]

I dont think bkc is familiar with bdsp unfortunately

[@warrenbuffet1250]

Kyogre is even more powerful, the latis are no longer a check because Gen 7 soul dew nerfs, darkrai isn’t the threat it once was due to dark void nerfs, clef and arceus-fairy offer dragon immunities which is huge, Defog means spin blocking is not AS valuable as it was in Gen 4. Fully unleashed Arceus is in the tier, without the EV restrictions of farceus. Rayquaza has Dragon Ascent as a stab option, so SD/DD sets can hit without locking into a move. The creation trio lost outrage, but both giratina forms got defog. Regen Ho-Oh seems like it would be broken but without HGSS… no brave bird Mewtwo not only gained Psystrike but also Nasty Plot, terrifying offensive threat. Gen 7s burn nerf is quite significant for passive damage given that many lost access to toxic and must thus rely on wisp Many moves are also weaker due to Gen 6’s power nerfs

[@ryanborn7026]

You repeat, between all your videos and FSG singles sections, this mantra that the second layer of spikes is not worth it unless you get the 3rd, and its sheer repetition makes me question if that really makes sense. Obviously, one layer of spikes is good 12.5%. Three layers is sick at 25%. But 2 layers feels bad because its a 4.2% (absolute) increase. And you reasonably say "you can be doing more with the second spikes turn." But is this underselling it? surely a second layer of spikes is significantly easier to get, and an extra 4.2% increases your spike damage by 33%.. If leftovers heals 1/16th, then this negates 2/3rds of the leftovers heal -- again, i agree not that big, but you point out that sand alone canceling out leftovers is a huge deal for viability. If that second layer of spikes lasts for a mere 6 eligible switches, its canceling out 4 leftover-heal-equivalents.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

it's not that it's not worth it - it's that it is often not the /best/ move you can make unless you can guarantee the third (i.e. skarmory might be better off whirlwinding or double switching rather than going for the second spike and letting the opp switch for minimal reward). it's not a truism obviously, that second layer can be really huge in some cases, but it requires some forethought

[@madvorakCZ]

Wow! Will there be one video about Spikes for each generation?

[@bl4ckbl4z39]

you mentioning cacturne being banned because of sand veil really makes me sad. dont get me wrong, evasion stuff is stupid and uncompetitive, and in a metagame where 90% of games have sand, cacturne is obviously busted. but damn i wish we had a metagame of cacturne in some capacity, cause it seems like itd be a really cool pokemon in ADV OU, with its unique typing granting it resists to a lot of common moves, while sadly being weak to spikes and sand without sand veil.

[@santasangre996]

why is there no sand rush mega cacturne

[@CMSonYT]

We have brute bonnet in Gen 9 who has some of cact's properties.