Melton F. Hailey Interview With Dr. Jannay Valdez On Billy The Kid / Brushy Bill Roberts.

Dr. Jannay Valdez, the co-author of Billy the Kid: Killed In New Mexico - Died In Texas interviews Ft. Sumner, New Mexico resident, Melton F. Hailey about the purported death of Billy the Kid and the claim of Brushy Bill Roberts.

[@jimmiethomas7194]

My 2nd great grandmother was Odilia Maxwell Abreu. Family lore says it wasn’t Billy the Kid that Pat Garret shot that night. It’s said he escaped and went to old Mexico, lived out his last days in Hamilton and Hico, Texas

[@dwightcurrie8316]

@@michaelvoorhees5978 We All appreciate your clear and concise analysis

[@alexbaker2615]

Excellent interview! One of the best I've heard yet

[@billynowell1120]

My Uncle told me when he was a kid about 7 yrs old his Uncle Jim Gililland brought Billy to the ranch and he stayed a few days with them which would have been about 1936 , my Uncle stated they took him to Nogales and dropped him off , a few months later they went back to Nogales to pick up some goats they bought and my uncle said his dad took them to the ice cream parlor and as they were going in they met Billy on the sidewalk , he stated that was the last to he saw him . Pat Garret chased my great uncle Jim and Oliver they had a shoot out with him and wound up on trial for murdering Fontain and his son Henry. Jim and Oliver were acquitted of the murders !

[@clyde38]

You must know Michael Lowery then do you?

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

They catch his alias ? By any chance .

[@aurelioperez3517]

My great great grandmother who lived in Hamilton Texas ,, had a friend and can almost definitely say it was Billy the Kid , in the early 1920s

[@DWWildR]

The best escape in history!

[@Kevin-zg2wm]

my great grandfather was a regulator surname Matthews Billy wasn't killed by Garret, Billy lived on, kept his head down not a rich life but life

[@dwightcurrie8316]

Living Life Beats dying around age 21 with a Bullet in your Back and Blood in your mouth Every Damn Time

[@clyde38]

@@michaelvoorhees5978 Yes!!!

[@iamheandheisinorsemen2605]

I always knew the truth would come out about Billy. I knew in my heart that man didn't die in 1881. I guess these towns and counties need to keep their lies going to attract tourist to there locations. Like this man said, it's all about money.

[@dennisdonovan974]

your correct

[@channelwhoa66]

Although I MUST say, that if Brushy Bill Robert’s is indeed the kid, there would be an explosion of tourism like no other!

[@briansteele708]

Garret also wanted the reward. Without killing his friend.

[@Evolution_10_X]

They were not friends. Pat Garrett shot billy on that famous night. He's dead! It's folk lore and Cool story but not true.

[@lostamericanhistory2536]

@@Evolution_10_X I've studied it for a long time and I have no clue. Seems to me when all facts (actualfacts, not we assume or he said she said facts) are laid out its really anyone's guess. Seems close enough the way history has it but there are several inconsistencies and reasons to doubt it too. Patt did lie but how much and whats the credibility of Morrison...no one really knows.

[@Barsvisualized]

They we’re friends. Eye witness accounts prove that also the 1 photo where Pat & BTK are together posing for a picture.

[@michaelperks8607]

I believe the kid and Garret knew each other from working together for a short time. They were friends or more like acquaintances probably. Garret definitely was aiming to kill the kid, killing O'fallurd and Bowdry are proof of that. By saying he killed the kid instead of Barlow was an opportunity to cover his own ass which happened to be beneficial to the kid.

[@glengrieve544]

I believe that Pat Garrett shot Billy the kid for the money Mr Robert's is not Billy the kid he fantasized he was

[@jackhopkins4679]

I don't know pat Garret captured the kid and brought him back to Lincoln and he escaped killing 2 jailers.You don't do that to your buddy.

[@Charles53412]

I like Mr. Valdez's passion. I just wish he didn't keep Brushy Bill pushed down. He may have been poor for the most part. In the end, He was buried respectfully, in a nice suit, and had a nice casket, and a nice plot of ground. Paid for by his oil rich friend from Tyler. Hardly a Poor man's Death. He ended up being Blessed... Being the 1950's, and 90 yrs. old, he did just fine !

[@brushybret]

Dr. Valdez did indeed have passion when talking about Billy the Kid. He was a great guy and a dear friend.

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

@@brushybret yah I don't believe sheriff graves ever really heard janney say that brushy wasn't billy the kid , it was propaganda to sway public opinion toward that miller fellow in Arizona that never did pan out anyway , miller was ruled out as to be the kid.

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

@@brushybret of course one way miller could honestly say he was the kid is , he was the one Garrett thought he killed and when Garrett said he killed billy , that gave Barlow the right to also call himself billy the kid , that is if miller was in fact billy Barlow . In that case it's the first time in history , a pair beats three of a kind , a pair of Billy's beats three law dogs .

[@dwightcurrie8316]

Whether Mr. Hailey is right or wrong, I firmly believe that his Word and Handshake are far more Firm than practically any 200 page "Written Contract" will ever be. What he's saying is what he Truly Believes Is The Truth, else he wouldn't dare say it, much less allow himself to be filmed saying something he didn't believe to be the Truth. I'll Never believe that J. Frank Dalton was Jesse James, but it's damned easy for me to give Far More Credit to the "Brushy Bill" Story.......Plain Old Common Sense dictates that A Charlatan Wouldn't have Old Gunshot Wounds that match the person they are pretending to be. That "Coincidence" all but Completely Denies Belief, and I believe the odds are much better than 50/50...IMHO

[@dwightcurrie8316]

One other thing....I have read all sorts of Supposed "Non Fiction" about Billy & Pat over the past 30 years, and have come to believe that Pat Garrett was a Dishonest, Opportunistic, Duplicitous and Scheming Shit Heel Of The First Order. I've also never heard or read a reasonable reason why "Deacon" Jim Miller Shotgunned Garrett, or how Miller knew the exact spot Garrett would choose to stop to "Take A Leak" And allow himself to be Ambushed.....The "Historians" only offer conjecture that Miller was the Assassin, while most of the "Old Folks" that were alive at the time were Certain it was Miller....Riddle Me That One

[@clyde38]

Thing is though is that J Frank Dalton had all the same wounds that Jesse had including rope burns on his neck, badly burned feet and bullet wounds.

[@dwightcurrie8316]

@@clyde38 But Mr. Dalton was able to regrow the tip of his finger that "The Real Jesse James" Shot Off accidentally? I know the Liver can regenerate, but never heard of Fingers doing that

[@dwightcurrie8316]

@@clyde38 And the missing Finger tip that The Real Jesse Accidentally Shot Off, garnering him the nickname "Dingus" from Frank? He Grew it back like a Lizard Does A Tail That's Lost? J Frank also identified Jesse's Horse who was named a Native American Name (Maybe "Red Cloud", but I disremember the exact name), as an "Indian That Scouted For Jesse......Riddle me those, if you please Brushy Bill was a far more believable "Billy The Kid" than J Frank, Bless His Heart, Ever Was a Jesse James.

[@Last_Chance.]

​@@dwightcurrie8316brushy bill said that Dalton was Jesse and that he knew him since he was 7. So bill said that Jesse lived to 102 years old

[@Walter2846.]

What year was this interview recorded??

[@brushybret]

I believe it was recorded sometime between 2004-2005. The VHS tape that I converted it from didn't have a date written on it.

[@bongdonkey]

Melton seems a wise person.

[@robstanton9215]

I’ve been to Lincoln and you get a feeling there in the courthouse where real events took place, and where Billy and a few escaped the McSween house fire and gunfire through the creek on the opposite side of the road. Not so much at the supposed grave site in Fort Sumner.

[@1cugine359]

How does a body 6 feet deep in a coffin incased in dirt wash away? Does the coffin move underground? It's ridiculous

[@brushybret]

@1cugine359 Water pressure causes the caskets to pop out of the ground and float, causing them to be carried downstream with the water flow. It even happens to this day. Here are a few news reports showing pictures and videos of it occurring during recent floods. Please consider amending your comment. Thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHi8nHRtfcx-ebc kzbin.info/www/bejne/apTMmZqJoNh4nbc www.cnn.com/2021/09/25/us/ida-ironton-caskets-trnd/index.html

[@johnlabry325]

Brushy bill was bill the kid maybe

[@johnwayne3331]

I like this man

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

Found brushy bill in 1889 as a marshal in Oklahoma and also with the Garrett nephews in 1892 , brushy was not lying , he was definitely billy the kid

[@user-zn5cw1we2n]

Brushy bill would've been two years old when Billy the kid was allegedly killed it's not even possible he was Billy the kid purely because his age also he is on a census list has marriage certificates and draft papers we actually know who brushy bill was since birth we know where he lived and the things he done throughout his life

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

@@user-zn5cw1we2n and what are you his brother , you only know what you think you know , that's a far cry from the truth . In my humble opinion . You will never prove me wrong , I guarantee that .

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

@@user-zn5cw1we2n and you are two years old also

[@glengrieve544]

Brushy Bill Robert's was not Billy the kid he's just a Billy the kid wannabe a daydreamer a nobody look's nothing like him lol

[@user-qh9cz5xo7jkeithkucera]

@@glengrieve544 except before the argument was that brushy was Ollie but as we see if you Google will Roberts you will find that the pinkertons were looking for him is why he changed his name to Ollie and the kid photo is approximately when he was 19 or 20 years old people change when they age some not as much as others

[@briansteele708]

I have a photo from that era. That really looks like Billy the kid. It has been largely overlooked. Garret did not kill Billy. They were like big casino and little casino. I think Garret had to cover up the killing. By claiming it was the Kid. They buried a Billy. Not the Billy. I have researched this. Like Bob Ford wanted the noteriety. Yet, this was not Billy. Only problem I have is, I don't know how to disclose it. And also the " providance" issue. I don't care about facial recognition. Brushy Bill was not the same man. The man has the exact very features of Billy. Yet it may be a different form. Not a tin-type , but the card form of photography. The same used from 1850s- 1890s. Anyway I may be holding a gold mine on my hands. He also used another alias. Oh it was called a cabinet card. Same ears , hair ,chin, nose. eyes

[@dwightcurrie8316]

I was an Antique Dealer for 20 years out in Oregon & came into possession of a Cabinet Card of "Deacon" Jim Miller (Pat Garrett's alleged Murderer) and 3 other men Hanged in a stable in ADA Oklahoma in 1908 for Horse Stealing, I think & made a good Whack when I sold it. If your card is actually BTK it is extremely valuable with Proper Provenance, but without good Provenance the value is drastically reduced, but hold onto it like Grim Death & if you can't prove it's Billy, it's enough that you're satisfied that it's him and see that it stays in your family. New "Methods" of analyzing photos and other photos have come to light in recent years, and in this day and age things are always being discovered, so you never know when or if your little Cabinet Card could set your family up quite nicely in the future..... As a Junker for 2 decades and a Old West History Buff for almost all of my 72 years, I'd naturally Love to lay eyes on it, just so I could say I'd seen it & make my own Semi educated guess. Best of luck with your "Find" & teach your kids to know and appreciate what it is and what it Might Be one day

[@johnsmith-oh2xo]

You have watched to much Young guns my friend i love the movies but that don't make them true lol these people or anyone will say anything to get famous or some money......

[@Last_Chance.]

I would really love to see the picture sir

[@StevenSchoolAlchemy]

Greetings.

[@briansteele708]

Anyway disclosere? Like Garret , I woud need some kind of reward as well. Why else do it? I could easily trip some statements by giving any hints. So, I have to be careful. Being a portrait artist, I see things. And so far, none of these photos they mention are not Billy. Only wanna bees. Except for the Meltzer Decoded: shows of the DB Cooper FBI sketch. It looks like the same man exactly. I do believe this is one and the same man. I enjoyed your show.

[@williamsteele1409]

oh i dont know

[@Zman82]

Well if some guy in a bar told this guy he got away then it must be true.

[@jason686361able]

Brushy bill Roberts was Billy the kid and was buried in hico TX

[@larrybridges4545]

And you know that because?

[@jason686361able]

@larrybridges4545 watch the videos by Brett hall only btk would know that much detail so that's how I know I've studied btk since I was 10 years old

[@larrybridges4545]

This is still America, you can believe what you want. Too many holes for me

[@briansteele708]

Yes Brad Meltzer decoded. But he was wrong about the Kid. DB Cooper worked for Northwest Airlines. And had been in the military and also took parachute training. This is the man. Also why he used the alias due to a comic book. I hold a photo of the real Billy the Kid. Don't know what to do with it. Thought of Bob Boze Bell. Yet he has not the ultimate authority on Billy , he thinks he does. He makes mistakes, as well.🤠🇺🇸🎯

[@dwightcurrie8316]

If you're looking to Cash In, contact a Reputable & I Mean Reputable, Auction House like Sothebys, Butterfield & Butterfield, Christies, Etc. They can guide you as to obtaining Provenance, Evaluate your Pic and most also do "Private Sales" where they contact Collectors & negotiate the price, Etc. Naturally they get a cut, but who doesn't? I probably don't have to say this, but Don't Let It Out Of Your Hands to Anybody, unless it's to take hold of a Big Ass Check & Insuring it would be a good idea once it's been "Valued" by a reputable Appraiser & the big Auction Houses have those on Staff too I hope the size of the check the Buyer has to write puts him off solid food for at least a whole week, it's so Huge whole week Good Luck

[@bobo44donemilking51]

DB was working for the FBI ,after the hijacking new laws where but in place at airports

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

What happens if there is clear evidence, DNA, that Brushy is not BTK?

[@brushybret]

We actually tried to do this a few years ago, but the powers that be in New Mexico fought it every step of the way by filing frivolous lawsuits and legal motions. The plan was to exhume Roberts, John Miller, Catherine Antrim, and the body buried in Ft. Sumner and let DNA settle it once and for all. This is all detailed in Steve Sederwall's book, The Dirty on Billy the Kid, as well as History Investigates: Billy the Kid Cold Case by W. C. Jameson.

[@brockmitchell3989]

Brett Hall you make a valid point. If they want to settle it, just get permission to exhume the bodies and do a DNA comparison. Apparently they're not that interested in the truth.

[@NICKDEVILS420]

Would DNA work? The supposed body location of billy the kid from what I heard is not in its original location due to the floods or have I hot that wrong. Note I mean the body of the person shot by pat garrett.

[@Barsvisualized]

@@NICKDEVILS420The body of the person shit by Pat in Ft Sumner is indeed in that graveyard. The exact location of the plot isn’t exactly known but it would be nothing at all to dig up the entire yard to find him.

[@briansteele708]

Everything the same. So if you could contact me. I'd really appreciate it. It dovetails and explains the entire story.

[@tjyamaharacing7734]

Looks like everyone commenting on this were related to either billy or the regulators " ile stick to the historians 😅

[@karenmitchell2151]

Of course they will be as they are the ones most interested in! Doh!

[@heatherskettlecorn]

So if you look at the tintype of Billy the Kid, you can see he has detached earlobes and that Brushy Bill had attached earlobes so they couldn’t have been the same person.

[@brushybret]

The photograph that the gentleman who promotes this theory regarding the ears used a manipulated image of the Kid. The image was "retouched" by Noah Rose, as the original was so damaged that large portions of it were no longer visible. I did a video on this, which includes source citations by two of the leading authorities on western photographs, as well as statements by John Meigs of the Lincoln County Heritage Trust. The video also includes a facial recognition study conducted by the University of Texas - Austin, which concluded Roberts and the Kid were a statistical match. The study was conducted by 2 PhD scientist who used an internationally recognized facial recognition program, whose methods were peer-reviewed in two scientific journals and were further confirmed by two independent arbiters, who were completely impartial. Here is a link to the video, thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0

[@heatherskettlecorn]

@@brushybret thank you, I’ll try to watch that tomorrow.

[@chinchilla2971]

Personally I think the tin type is so degraded that you can’t tell about his ear lobes being connected. His hair curling up, hat pushing them forward, poor quality of photo, nobody care say for certain about his ears.

[@moonrocker1511]

Not true!... If you were familiar with how they do facial recognition, you would know that at certain angles change a person's appearance. Go look at a bunch of pictures of someone at different angles and you will see what I mean. The tintype is so badly weathered and aged that it's impossible to see any true definition. Go look at pictures of Brushy as a kid and as a young man. It's scary how much he resembles Billy.

[@moss8534]

I would like to express my opinion on the door BTK It has two holes. If Billy the Kid walks in, why is there a hole? If he opens up and shoots, why is there a hole? He might come in and score a goal to mislead the people outside, or shoot two people outside If I said something wrong, I'm sorry.

[@joesilva1849]

My great grandfathers were the regulators Billy the kid didn’t die in New Mexico he moved to Texas because Pat Garrett let him they were like brothers I have his DNA you wanna prove it Telesfor Silva that Valdez name is in my blood line

[@joesilva1849]

Billy a kid with no Mason we are regulators don’t you get it we kill the cabal

[@markwayne8743]

@@joesilva1849 de que hablas?

[@immortalmp1720]

This is like people saying my real grandad was john dillinger. I remember the old people on my dads side arguing about it

[@Ivan-ly7zd]

Brushy Bill, in that name you’ll find Billy

[@BillHancock-sk5sj]

Billy the kid is always photographed with prominent earlobes. Roberts photographed repeatedly with NO earlobes. Just like fingerprints. Brushy Bill Roberts was NOT Henry McCarty.

[@brushybret]

As far as the ears go, the person that promotes the ear theory is using a manipulated photograph. This is all detailed in John Meigs report to the Lincoln County Heritage Trust in the late 1980s and has been discussed by acclaimed western photograph historian, Robert McCubbin. In the original tintype, the image was so deteriorated from not being stored properly that parts of the image were no longer visible, like the ears. The image was restored by a man by the name of Noah Rose. I discuss this in my video on physical similarities between Roberts and the Kid and discuss the facial recognition study conducted by two PhD scientists at the University of Texas-Austin which concluded that Roberts and the man in the tintype were a statistical match. The study used an internationally recognized facial recognition program. The same system used by law enforcement agencies all over the world. Furthermore, the methods used were peer-reviewed and published in two separate scientific papers and the results were confirmed by two independent arbiters. Here is a link to my video, thanks for watching. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2muoayHicl1nM0&lc=UgwAVr6-5AjmuVrLadZ4AaABAg

[@johnwayne3331]

Old honest cowboy love them

[@marklukas3288]

I think Mr John Miller was a closer match to Billy the kid for one John never claimed it like he didn't want the truth out his friend claimed it after his death and Billy was supposed to been killed in July 14 1881 and there's no record of a John Miller until August 8 1881 I find that a bit suspicious

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

Wondering what the museum in Hico will call itself after it has been proven with DNA that Brusy was not Billy The Kid? Young Gun's Museum ??🤣

[@brushybret]

Or rather, what will they call the museum in Ft. Sumner when Roberts' DNA confirms he really was Billy the Kid? The Billy Barlow Museum?

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

@@brushybret Billy Barlow must have been Brushy's imagination!?😅

[@teamjanzeslife8741]

@@brushybret Do you really think Brushy was BTK ????

[@brushybret]

@@teamjanzeslife8741 Have you not seen my other videos? Of course, I believe Roberts was the Kid. The evidence in favor of his being the Kid far outweighs the evidence against. In fact, all the purported evidence against his claim is completely unfounded and fabricated. When I do the video on the shooting in Ft. Sumner, I'll show the evidence that Billy Barlow did indeed exist. Thanks for watching.

[@NICKDEVILS420]

​@Brett Hall didn't the village billy was hiding in hold a funeral for him? And what about those shown the body saying its Billy?

[@vatolocosforever803]

Mr. Valdez doesn't look Mexican

[@danielyork7362]

He was a true blooded Mexican and southerner

[@danielyork7362]

Just because he looks white doesn't mean he is

[@vatolocosforever803]

@@danielyork7362 I know that..

[@vatolocosforever803]

@@danielyork7362 he just looks like he couldn't speak Spanish ,if it would save his life

[@markwayne8743]

What do Mexicans look like? Like Luis Hernandez alias el Matador? How about Luis Miguel? Like that? Are they not Mexican, because they are white?

[@joesilva9380]

Chavito. From the great grandson of nana Geronimo