Can Modern Greeks Understand Ancient Greek?

[@BahadorAlast]

Contrary to what many people think, "Ancient Greek" is not a dead language. Language is a living entity and it changes and evolves over the course of time, and this is precisely the case with the Greek language. Ancient Greek with its different dialects evolved to Koine Greek which eventually evolved into medieval Greek or Byzantine Greek, which ultimately developed into what we know today as modern Greek. Hope you enjoy this one and if you want to participate in future video please contact me on Instagram.

[@anasetrakian3376]

😍😍😍

[@anasetrakian3376]

Nicomachus was actually the father and son of Aristotle so they're both right 😀

[@fatosshubert7272]

Do you mean “Attica” as ancient?

[@athina1739]

@@anasetrakian3376 exactly I remembered after the filming of the video 😅❤️

[@igliduka981]

Try albanian mabye it will help you guys😉

[@athina1739]

Hello everyone ❤️ This is Athina from the video. I hope everyone enjoyed this video and learned something new.I would like to clarify that I used the "modern" day pronunciation of ancient Greek meaning the pronunciation that we are being taught in schools today in the ancient Greek subject. That being said we are not using the Erasmian pronunciation that many people may know:). I hope I did well on the video. A big big thank you to Bahador for giving me the opportunity to experience this beautiful process and a big thanks to Nikos and Stavros. Xoxoxo❤️

[@pierreabbat6157]

I noticed your pronunciation is modern. If you had used a mid-Koine or Classical pronunciation, how well would they have understood? My pronunciation started out modern, but I've added /y/ (to distinguish ημεις from υμεις), vowel length (-ετε from -εται), and pitch accent (which I sometimes forget). I read mostly the NT; the quotes you said are a bit older. You may want to check out the Lucian pronunciation on Luke Ranieri's channels.

[@athina1739]

@@pierreabbat6157 Hello Pierre thank u for the suggestion i will definitely take a look:). Regarding your question about the mid-koine or classical pronunciation i believe that it would have been more challenging to understand because 1)for some letters we can only make assumptions on how they were pronounced and 2)in schools we are being taught according to the modern day pronunciation:) i hope my reply helps a bit more. Also in modern day Greek all of these: ι,η,υ,οι,ει are pronounced the same. So unfortunately the long and short distinguish of vowels in the pronunciation has been lost:(.

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

ZEUS BLESS YOU!

[@BahadorAlast]

Thank you so much Athina ♥️🙏

[@anasetrakian3376]

You're so talented Athina! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@minaal-lami2855]

Wow!! That's so fascinating and I loved Athina ❤ As a native Arabic speaker I know there's a lot of history between Arabic and Greek dating back to many centuries ago. Greek was a lingua franca in many parts of the Middle East.

[@athina1739]

Salam Mina❤️thank u so much for the comment, it's me Athina btw. Arabic is my favorite language and one of the reasons i love it is exactly because of the reason u mentioned. Also in Greek we have so many Arabic derived words ❤️

[@athina1739]

@Animal&NatureLoverGuy88 I know some words in Arabic that derive from Greek actually:) for example "daftar" (notebook) comes from the Greek word "difteron" which means "having 2 sides". That was said to me by my Arabic language teacher who's from Lebanon:)

[@minaal-lami2855]

@@athina1739 Salam!! Wow!! You're so awesome. That's so heartwarming 🤗❤ We also have Greek words in Arabic! In love Greek so much 😍😍

[@minaal-lami2855]

@@athina1739 btw daftar is actually a Persian word that entered to Arabic. We use many Persian words in our Iraqi dialect of Arabic so I used to think daftar is just used in Iraqi but it's in standard Arabic.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@athina1739 Yes, you are correct, like the words Magazi or Rezili for example all have ultimate origins from Arabic! 👍

[@elizaa.367]

One of the most creative and inspiring nations in the world. You’re one of a kind, Greece. Ζήτω η Ελλάδα! 🇬🇷✨

[@panajotispapagiannopoulos2579]

Thank you 🙏❤

[@scintillam_dei]

@@panajotispapagiannopoulos2579 Some of the conquistadores were from Greece. Portugal likes to claim to have been the discovererrer of the fact that the Indian Ocean is connected to the Atlantic but an ancient Greek called Eratosthenes figured that out centuries prior. Glad that Spanish sounds like Greek to a great extent. A lot of -os endings for example.

[@user-bj9or7ke3u]

@@scintillam_dei China like 9000 years ago

[@scintillam_dei]

@@user-bj9or7ke3u Nature didn't exist 9000 years ago as I proved in my series crushing atheist myths. To rely on their date claims of millions of years is like believing that eggs in a working washing machine won't break in a millino years, and decay at a normal rate.

[@supermavro6072]

Yeah....the most creative nation specially when it comes to Debt fraud and Tax evasion.

[@dragasan]

You outdid yourself on this one! Wow! Such intelligence and kindness. I really enjoyed it. Thanks!

[@TMPOUZI]

That proves that Greek is one evolving language. These guys were clueless in ancient Greek, they didn't even know the word 'gar" (well, because) or ouk (not), yet they managed to translate or get a complete meaning of Plato and Homer in such a short time, without even seeing it writen

[@voqsonofnone789]

actually the words 'arage'=ara+ge(similar to Ancient 'gar'=ge+ara) and 'ochi'(from Ancient ouk,ou,ouchi) are still in use

[@ΝίκοςΜπέτσης-ΗΠΑ]

All languages are evolving. Greek can be proven that it is evolving as we have written records of it for millennia and we can compare it during the course of time.

[@Myndir]

Greece was also part of Turkey until the Turks/Greek Muslims were banished from their homeland, so naturally their culture has changed.

[@maggiemakeupnails1056]

@@Myndir Said the Turkalbanian.

[@paganpoet3]

@@Myndir ..You are totaly ingnorant about historical events ... Greece never was a part "of Turkey". Turkey is a state that was established in 1923. You are comfusing Turkey to Ottoman Empire. Nobody was "banished from their homelad". Muslims of Greece were exchanged 100% peacefully by the exchange of population of Greece and Turkey in 1923. On the other hand more than 1 million Greeks of Anatolia toghethers with 3 millin Armenians and 500k Asyrians faced genocide and they literaly vanished from the face of earth from 1913 to 1925. Greeks are there for at least 3.000 years. Mongols came to Anatolia the last 800 years. If you don't like it any more you are free to go back to Turkmenistan and the Altaic mountains. In modern day Turkey after all is like 90% NON TURKIC ethinc population ....

[@emmahirschfeld7542]

This was so fun and enjoyable. As a beginner level Greek student very useful as well. Thank you ❤🇬🇷

[@user-zh7yr1up8g]

This is amazing!! I enjoyed every minute of it. ❤🇬🇷🇬🇷❤

[@charlieg2262]

This is great! Would be really interesting to get a native Cypriot, or even a speaker of another dialect of Greek & someone who speaks Ancient Greek too, as those dialects has a lot of ‘archaic’ words like πόθεν etc

[@oNikolaos]

It's really easy for us Cypriots, because we use the ancient syntax in our dialect. If you also attend the Holy Liturgy on Sundays- always performed in 1st century Ancient Greek , which is much easier by the way- you understand the meaning instantly, 90% of the times.

[@olgapapadopoulpou1142]

also the Greek Pontian dialect is similar to the ancient Greek language..maybe much more similar than Cypriot dialect..

[@armajhkc609]

​@@oNikolaos I think the Greek Cypriots are the closest to the ancient Greeks

[@louisfisher614]

A very influential language that shaped our civilization 🇬🇷

[@supermavro6072]

Lol, which civiIization ?

[@andrkonst9910]

@@supermavro6072 Α ρε Μαύρε Αλβανέ

[@yousuf6382]

It seems that the Greek language to the Christian civilization is the same as the Arabic to the Islamic civilization

[@supermavro6072]

@@yousuf6382 You out of your mind ? Greek have no importance to any christians.

[@eleftheria9179]

@@supermavro6072 yeah right! That's why you read about Thessalonians, Corinthians etc etc! Because apostol Paul came elsewhere! Definitely not in Greece! Why should Greeks matter to any Christian?

[@DennisGranahan-e9h]

Very interesting, Greek is much older than I realized. I am studying Koine now and a little modern Greek on duolingo. It is language rich in meaning. ❤❤❤

[@aprendoespanol6833]

as an Indian, I find it interesting that we have Unani (literally Greek) system of medicine. It's even officially taught in university and practiced.

[@michaelpolyakov2827]

Really interesting! You mean that Indian medical students have to learn Ancient Greek?

[@aprendoespanol6833]

@@michaelpolyakov2827 Not the Greek language but ancient Greek system of medicine. This was adopted by Arabs/Persians and developed further (by well known people like Ibn Sina). Arabs/Persians then brought it to India where it is practiced as a traditional medicinal system alongside Ayurveda. Indeed, in India, official degrees are offered for Unani and Ayurveda systems of medicine. And it is legally practiced. Some basic info on wiki - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unani_medicine

[@aan2960]

@@michaelpolyakov2827 Or known as Muslim medicine

[@supermavro6072]

Many Greeks today have lndian ancestry

[@aan2960]

@@supermavro6072 no muslim invasion

[@naamashang5107]

I always love your videos, and thanks for yet another great one. This one is especially close to my heart, as I am a student of modern Greek. I am also fascinated by ancient Greek and the similarities and differences. Thank you to everyone who participated and Athena, you were brilliant.

[@mariabirakis5375]

I thoroughly enjoyed trying to find the meaning in modern greek. A great exercise to sharpen the mind

[@sydsydlender4194]

My wife is iranian. As a greek, I find greek people having many common traits with iranian people as inheritants of ancient civilizations. Odyssey and Iliad and works by Kazantzakis are well known and easy to be found in bookshops and street book vendors. In iran there is the konkur exam which is the university entrance exam like panellinies in greece where ancient greek is one of the subjects given for people who want to pursue studies such as law, litterature, philosophy and other so called classical studies. The unbreakable continuation from ancient to modern greek in terms of preserving the alphabet and the vocabulary over thousands of years is quite unique. A very large number of international scientific terms in virtually all disciplines have greek origin.

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

all baseless, we are in a world of fake identities. Neither Greeks are Greek, they are Rums of mid and east Türkiye, and nor Persians are are Persian but ajem-tajik-dari of mid and east iran. Today the language spoken in Greece not ancient Greek but Rum language and same in iran,

[@samspear8772]

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle

[@sepidehzandi139]

Love you Greece! Our historical enemeies and contemporary friends 😁 Greetings to our ancient rivals from Iran ❤

[@srfrg9707]

The "enemy" part is really old history now! The last battle between the two empires took place at Ninive (or Niniveh) in the year 621 (Byzantines won of course😁) and a peace treaty was signed the next year putting an end to wars that started in 547 before Christ when Cyrus II annexed the kingdom of Lydia. Greeks have a huge respect for the Persian culture. ❤

[@seanfitzgerald2946]

@@srfrg9707 I believe that's why she said "historical", insinuating a form of joke I believe, as it is common knowledge that the Persians today have lots of love for Greeks.

[@kokosgr]

I have an Iranian friend here in Greece from the childhood!! You are very cultured and intellectual people!! And of course very good food!!

[@supermavro6072]

Modern Greeks have NO connection to Ancient Greek, infact modern Greeks are more related to Persians than the ancient ones. So technically, we are never friends or enemies.

[@georgiosdoumas2446]

@@supermavro6072 Who says "have no connection"? The DNA results show a lot of resemblance. See the researches from Triandafillidis and others. Since also our language does not differ a lot from the ancient one (I would say it is more than 50% understandable to modern Greeks) my estimation is that we (modern Greeks) are from 50-80% (depending on the person) similar DNA to ancient Greeks. Of course I do not consider Antetokoumpo (a basketball player) a modern Greek, he is Nigerian from both parents.

[@damien.bonneau]

how refreshing is this channel! Big up and cheers from France

[@MrEVAQ]

6:22 They are both right. Apparently Nicomachus is the name of both the father of Aristotle and his son.

[@GeoBBB123]

Typical of Greeks even today!

[@srfrg9707]

The grandson took the name of his grandpa as it's still the custom in modern Greece.

[@supermavro6072]

@@srfrg9707 ???

[@observer8477]

@@supermavro6072 hate doesnt belong here,cause again today greeks almost always the son takes the name of his grandfather like Aristotle and his son.so again you dont make sense jumping in every positive coment about modern greeks and ancient ones.so keep your hate to your heart,doesnt belong here in a positive video your black heart...

[@tobiasboston7795]

@@observer8477 his name even suggests it, super mavro, mavro=black 🤣🤣

[@loraivanova8635]

I'm here just to say that I'm a Bulgarian who has been learning Greek for like 8 years (4 at university) and I was so excited to see a Greek who is learning Bulgarian! 💙 Good luck, Nikos. Also I used to study Ancient Greek at university but well let's say ancient languages aren't my thing. 😅

[@wallycall]

While I enjoy the virtual videos, I do really miss the in-person ones before the pandemic. I hope you can gradually introduce some of these every now and then. It had a fun, spontaneous atmosphere to it that virtual ones can't really convey. It just felt really personal and homely. The nonverbal communication through body language really complemented the in-person videos. I miss seeing the interactions, lighthearted competition and scores, the laughs, and spending my weekend mornings watching the latest video. They were so beautifully produced. It just hits different. Love your content regardless and I understand it limits videos you can produce participants having to be relatively local. Looking forward to the day it comes back even if it's just once every so often!

[@berkcandar8013]

Very interesting and cool! Love from Turkey ❤🇬🇷🇹🇷❤

[@wankawanka3053]

Respect 🇬🇷🤝🇹🇷

[@minaal-lami2855]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@panajotispapagiannopoulos2579]

🙏🙏❤🇹🇷🇬🇷❤

[@Xarmutinha]

Canııııım

[@supermavro6072]

Greeks and Turx are the same people.

[@christinalovers7192]

Thanks bro, I'm also half Assyrian and half Armenia, but I grew up in Israel as a Jew orthodox Christian, but I live in Athens Greece now. So I know Assyrian, Hebrew, Arabic, Persian, Greek and some Armenian language 🇮🇱🕎🔯💯👌🇦🇲🇬🇷☦️

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

What is a Jew Christian ?

[@chinchin9144]

@@Kurdedunaysiri An oxymoron

[@scintillam_dei]

See my video "Zionism is Heresy." God will destroy anti-Christ Israel. It is in a prophecy. This is the Ishmael before the Isaac, the man-made before the God-made, the sinner-produced before the divine, the lie before the truth.

[@scintillam_dei]

@@BlueOcean696 FREE ASSYRIA FROM KURDISH CONTROL! :-)

[@songcramp66]

@@chinchin9144 Literally all the first Christians were Jews. Judaism is a religion but being Jewish tends to be ethnicity. Just like Arabs don't necessarily have to be Muslim though they almost always are, it's the same thing.

[@mravalik]

I hate that I’m always seeing these videos late 😭 This is very interesting take in the video, because I saw another of a guy asking Greeks of today if they could remember anything they learned about and in Ancient Greek, but to no avail, it wasn’t common. Nonetheless, it’s beautiful to see an ancient language and native speakers challenge themselves with this subject 🙏🏻 Γεια σας φίλο και φίλες, με λένε Κεντ, και μαθαίνω να μιλάω Ελληνικά, Αγάπη από την Αμερική 💙

[@greendro6410]

This was really interesting to see. 🙂

[@zeyadyahya1180]

Oh that's a great video! 👏 I actually read a lot about Greek ☀️ it's an amazing language indeed 👏 and we already borrowed many words from ancient Greek in Arabic ✅

[@panajotispapagiannopoulos2579]

And vice versa we have words from Arabic. I really love the Arabic language!

[@zeyadyahya1180]

@@panajotispapagiannopoulos2579 yea that's awesome! We have words like :qalem (pen) albarquq (plum). Aroz (oruza) =rice also other ones about science like alchemy, elixir etc those entered Latin via Arabic. 🌼🌞

[@sofiakonermann2308]

@@zeyadyahya1180 Yor Ar Lass Not arab

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

They arenot the same people, ancient Greeks extinct in history abt 2500 years ago.Todays Greeks are the Rums of eastern and mid Türkiye transferred to GR after1830s acc to western "Greek Project"

[@nikostheofanidis9970]

This is with modern accent. Ancient Greeks had a completely different accent from the one we have today's Greeks. Type Podium-Arts Aristotle and watch the video (11 minutes long) to hear how ancient Greek was (a Greek speak in the video)

[@amranibrahimrashidi]

Thanks for this amazing channel that create history with the many beautiful languages in the world. Let us unite together!!!!

[@Образованиесила]

Greetings from Tajiks (Eastern Iranians) to our ancient enemies and current friends from Greece.🤝 The wife of Alexander the Great Roxana was from our people. Alexander the Great was our enemy, but he was a worthy enemy. Peace and prosperity to the Greek people!🌹🌹🌹 From Tajikistan

[@nurettinsarul]

Alexander the great was a Macedonian, not Greek.

[@wankawanka3053]

@@nurettinsarul lol turk you have no say in this Alexander was macedonian therefore greek 😉 he only spread greek culture and nothing else ,you can keep supporting your slavic friends who have zero connection to him (these were the words of their first president by the way)😁

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@wankawanka3053 he is right. He was Hellenic and his language was not intelligible to other Hellenes :)

[@apmoy70]

@@nurettinsarul Source? Trust me bro?

[@Образованиесила]

@@ir20st Ok😁

[@grigortamazyan]

Hello from Armenia. I have Pontic Greek Heritage, it would be very interesting to know about differences of Pontic Greek and Modern Greek Language

[@eugeniakatsafadou331]

Pontic greek is generally much more conservative when compared to modern greek and it is much closer to the ancient greek language.

[@xxxxneoxxxx]

I've been a linguistics enthusiast like for ever. I stumbled upon this video and fell in love with the content instantly. New sub, here. Warm regards from Peru! Saludos, causa! Jajaja. See you un another video.

[@SamKhan-kb3kg]

A friend of mine once said, “Language is a living fossil”

[@hassanalast6670]

Good to know about Modern and Ancient language.

[@n5alast]

I love Greek language. Thank you for the video. 👏👏🙏

[@deanronson6331]

Since high school in this country and across the world serves as preparation for college for many students, Ancient Greek and Latin should be taught to the entire student body for at least two semesters. Kids at that age are unaware how much of the Western lexicon stems from those two languages and how much easier it would be for them to have at least some ready references in their heads once they are confronted with all the heavy terminology in their fields of study.

[@gloriamccarthy480]

Marvelous job by everyone!! Thank you for the highly educational content!! 💓

[@alexandroskatsis8649]

Stavros suprised me as his greek is understandable, for a Greek American grown up in the USA. Being born in Australia with Greek parents, my greek was not a close to Stavros. Well done Stavros

[@jmudikun]

Thank you Bahador 😊 another awesome episode

[@anneonymous4884]

Could you do something similar with Koine Greek or Byzantine Greek? I loved this!

[@fanaticofmetal]

Modern Greeks would understand more Koine Greek than Attic Greek since Modern Greek developed from Koine Greek

[@imperator7828]

Medieval Greek as in the one spoken by the people is almost precisely the same as modern just with some spelling differences and idioms. Some linguists place the beginning of modern greek in the 11th-12th century.

[@supermavro6072]

@@fanaticofmetal Totally false. None of them are undestandable. I am Greek speaker myseIf.

[@nicklandrou5233]

@@supermavro6072 Koine Greek is very understandable from a modern Greek speaker, which I am as well.

[@supermavro6072]

@@nicklandrou5233 Bs, then tell me what's written on roseta stone ?

[@wardafournello]

Of all the peoples, only the Greeks ,without having been taught ancient Greek, can read and understand several texts written in their language 2300 years ago, in koine Greek. The explanation is simple. The liturgy in the church takes place in koine Greek even today. In the language in which the Gospels were written.

[@E45F678]

Yes, Greek is a very conservative language. The vast majority of Modern Greek vocabulary is derived from Ancient Greek.

[@Tom_90]

Jews??

[@wardafournello]

@@Tom_90 The Hebrew language, , was revived at the end of the 19th century. by the Jewish linguist Eliezer Ben-Yehuda because of the development of Zionist ideology. Ben-Jehuda founded in 1889 in Jerusalem the "Council of the Hebrew Language" with the aim of reviving Biblical Hebrew, which had been NO LONGER SPOKEN for 1700 years. Eventually, Hebrew came to replace several other languages ​​spoken by Jews at the time, such as Latino (Spanish-Jewish language), Yiddish (German-Jewish language), Russian, as well as other languages ​​of the Diaspora.

[@dimitriskarathanasis4230]

@@wardafournello his son - Eliezer Ben-Yehuda - is the first modern Jew to speak Hebrew as a mother tongue in 1,700 years

[@skyofforest]

Arabs can speak and understand ancient arabic to a very good level

[@panajotispapagiannopoulos2579]

Έχετε κάνει πολύ καλή δουλειά 👐👌 So happy to see this Bahador and just can't thank you enough for the amazing presentation 🙏

[@sgourkon8742]

Greek language is not dead as many think. Is like a person that changes hairstyle, puts an earring but the face is the SAME. That happened with Greek language from antiquity. Italian for example is not Latin , it is Latin's daughter/ son.

[@supermavro6072]

Greek language is dead like the people themsleves. Modern Greeks are Turko-Albanians

[@Giocrete]

great video Bahador !! thanks a lot for that !!!

[@tahsinalphaskoylu8279]

I am trying to learn ancient Greek at beginner level. I was wondering how well the modern Greeks understood this. Greetings from opposite shore Turkiye.

[@nikostheofanidis9970]

This in the video is with modern accent. Ancient Greeks had a completely different accent from the one we have today's Greeks. Type Podium-Arts Aristotle and watch the video (11 minutes long) to hear how ancient Greek was (a Greek speak in the video)

[@andrem1403]

​@@nikostheofanidis9970mal ...es

[@maggiemakeupnails1056]

@@nikostheofanidis9970 You are an Albanian who is jealous of Greece with a fake profile using a Greek name and pretending to be Greek. You have no reason to be here. This is where the educated people of the world come to leave an opinion.

[@alexj9603]

I immediately recognized the 3rd sentence, because back in school in Germany we had to memorize the whole passage.

[@ΕλένηΡοντήρη]

Σας γράφω τη γνώμη μου για το πώς μπορούν να αποδοθούν οι φράσεις στα νέα ελληνικά. Δεν είμαι φιλόλογος, προσπάθησα μόνο να θυμηθώ όσα έμαθα στο σχολείο (στην Ελλάδα) πριν πολλά χρόνια. ...επειδή κατά μεγάλο μέρος τα μελλοντικά είναι όμοια με όσα έχουν γίνει. Σκοπός της ζωής δεν πρέπει να είναι η απόκτηση περισσότερων (υλικών αγαθών), αλλά η καλή ζωή. Επίσης (αυτός) είδε πόλεις και γνώρισε νοοτροπία πολλών ανθρώπων. Αν λοιπόν ο θάνατος είναι τέτοιο πράγμα, εγώ και βέβαια λέω ότι είναι κέρδος, επειδή με αυτό τον τρόπο και όλος ο χρόνος δε φαίνεται να είναι τίποτα περισσότερο παρά μία νύχτα.

[@nikosnikos8184]

Μπράβο ελενη

[@nikostheofanidis9970]

Εγώ σας γράφω την γνώμη μου για το πως πρέπει να προφέρονται, και προφανώς και δεν πρέπει να προφέρονται με την σημερινή νεοελληνική προφορά, οι αρχαιοι ελληνες είχαν τελείως διαφορετική προφορά από αυτήν που έχουμε σήμερα. Γράψε Podium-Arts Aristotle και δες το βίντεο (11 λεπτά είναι) για να ακούσεις πως ήταν (Έλληνας μιλάει στο βίντεο)

[@joeGuizan]

Always curious about classical and koine Greek and modern Greek.🔥🔥🔥 Interesting🎉🎉🎉

[@PANAGIOTIS_KORKODELAKIS]

Quite easily to understand those phrases..as a greek ..

[@supermavro6072]

Big Iie

[@PANAGIOTIS_KORKODELAKIS]

@@supermavro6072 Big truth... Modern Greek is approximately 90 %the..same language..as for the understanding...i personally comprehended 100%percent of the phrases..and I've been tought Ancient Greek fro two years at high school at an introductory level....

[@supermavro6072]

@@PANAGIOTIS_KORKODELAKIS piIe of bs, keep deceiving yourseIf

[@nitrianskehosamospravnehok4397]

@@supermavro6072 You’re not Greek. So stfu

[@SeraphimVolker]

​@@PANAGIOTIS_KORKODELAKIS I'm a westerner learning Greek; I have two textbook's one on ancient and one on modern Greek. Do you think I'd benefit from learning ancient and then moving onto modern? Is it intelligent of me to learn ancient and then modern?

[@yorgunsamuray]

I'd love to see the modern Greek versions of the sentences too. I'm not a Greek speaker, but the written form would be good for us to compare. Though I must admit that online meeting videos like this makes it easier for participation, I kinda miss those old videos shot in Toronto. Maybe you could shoot some once in a while.

[@fallenstate5933]

Kinda tough to directly translate from ancient into straight up modern but here it is:1st)Γεγονότα που θα συμβούν στο μέλλον είναι όμοια με γεγονότα έχουν συμβεί/όμοια γεγονότα με αυτά που έχουν συμβεί θα συμβούν και στο μέλλον. 2nd)Αυτό που αξίζει δεν είναι να ζεις για να αποκτήσεις περισσότερα(as in gain more material posessions) αλλά να ζεις καλά. 3rd)Πόλεις ανθρώπων γνώρισε πολλές κι ανθρώπων σκέψεις(refering to the mind and different ways of thinking, σκέψη=thought). 4th) Εάν λοιπόν αυτός είναι ο θάνατος, εγώ λέω πως είναι κέρδος. Γιατί τίποτε περισσότερο δεν φαίνεται να είναι έτσι όλος ο καιρός παρά μια νύχτα.

[@nikolaosaggelopoulos8113]

Testing them on spoken Homeric Greek, without being able to see the written text, was hard core. I am fairly sure they would have no trouble with spoken New Testament Greek. That is also ancient.

[@geertvlaenckx9942]

It's very interesting. Having the modern Greek version on the screen would have been helpful to understand the differences.

[@NormanF62]

It has to do with the sound shift during the Middle Ages that affected pronunciation. Much was lost. You see it in Greek and Hebrew. Modern speakers have an easier time understanding the classical language than it would be the other way around because you have to follow not only the way words are pronounced today but new meanings given to old words and loan words that have come into the language. Nothing remains the same over thousands of years.

[@user-zh7yr1up8g]

Actually both Athina and Nikos are correct about that 👍🏼 Aristotle's son and father had the same name 😁

[@spaolozzi53]

It was not uncommon in Classical Greece for sons to carry the name of their grandfather, e.g. Pericles' father and one of his sons were both Xanthippos.

[@emmahirschfeld7542]

@@spaolozzi53 Interesting

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@spaolozzi53 It is a tradition that has carried on into the modern age actually where the son names their son after their father…still happens in Greece today, although some are beginning to change that.

[@srfrg9707]

@@spaolozzi53 I carry the name of my grandfather as many Greeks still do.

[@supermavro6072]

@@spaolozzi53 Do you know what the term "Classical" means ?

[@costis2024]

Of course modern Greeks can understand ancient Greek. Who thought otherwise?

[@exampleemail848]

It's not obvious. Italian speakers cannot understand Latin without learning it. Arabic Speakers cannot understand ancient Arabic without learning its language. English speakers cannot understand Ancient English (btw. German/Dutch/Frisian Speakers will understand more 😅). And the list is long ...

[@maayanhaza6178]

A civilization that started in Crete, a Greek island and then spread throughout Europe

[@aolbaol2964]

You mean today Greece.. that island had nothing to do with hellens..was there before them..

[@supermavro6072]

@@aolbaol2964 exactly👍

[@andrkonst9910]

@@aolbaol2964 So do you

[@andrkonst9910]

@@supermavro6072 So do you

[@supermavro6072]

@@andrkonst9910 Who ?

[@aelarisa983]

I can understand most of koine greek and much of ancient greek. Medieval/Byzantine greek is completely understandable.

[@supermavro6072]

Stop Iying !!! You can't understand singIe thing

[@TMPOUZI]

@@supermavro6072 you're a troll. Any Greek can understand Byzantine Greek easily, it's very close to modern greek. Koine Greek is a bit close too. Those guys in the video even made a meaning out of a Homeric text 3500 years old without even seeing it written . Just addmit you a troll

[@supermavro6072]

@@TMPOUZI This Homeric and Byzantine stuff are late medieval works. They are "classical" greek. Not ancient Greek !! Don't you know the meaning of "classic". If you are capable of understanding ancient Greek, then tell me what's written on rosseta stone ?

[@TMPOUZI]

@@supermavro6072 don't have the time for researching, some of us who are not trolls have to work. Give me the text and I'll translate it to you on the spot

[@supermavro6072]

@@TMPOUZI No serious researcher engage in commentary argument. Lol, you are not researcher, but some kinda nationaIist who wan't to make everyone believe that modern Greek is related to ancient Greek. Lol

[@kaushikr8984]

great video, bahador. I've come ro notice that the south Indian language 'Kannada' , who i am a speaker of, shares a multitude of words with Persian. It would be interesting if you made a video about this.

[@fazilkhan6779]

I am from Karnataka as well who speak Urdu and kannada fluently. There are few common words in both languages. That video would be interesting.

[@santusanturohit4832]

During Bahamani sultanate many Persian words adopted in Kannada language

[@karthics4692]

It is because kannada contains many sanskrit words and sanskrit and persian are close....

[@kaushikr8984]

@@karthics4692 yes that and also, some Arabic and Persian words have entered the language as we had Muslim rulers

[@johnjustice8478]

That was great. And to finish with Socrates was brilliant

[@maayanhaza6178]

The ancient Greeks were active seafarers seeking opportunities for trade and founding new independent cities at coastal sites across the Mediterranean Sea.

[@supermavro6072]

False, ancient Greeks ? You mean Phoenicians ? Yes Phoenicians were active merchants, Are you calling these Phoenicians as Greeks ?

[@observer8477]

@@supermavro6072 hahah!you are something else!greeks also were active across mediterranean sea.you just trying to debunk greeks with your halfway knowledge cause of hate and i think you are not greek as you are saying,every comment you make has some big mistake in it...cheers from a real greek living in greece,educated all greek-hellenic history.the real one...

[@supermavro6072]

@@observer8477 seriously, you call this nationaIist bs "real" History ? LOl

[@noraanderson3503]

@@supermavro6072 in modern Greek there is a word that characterizes you perfectly. Κομπλεξικός 😆

[@armajhkc609]

The Phoenicians, not the Greeks

[@Desidarius_Erasmus99]

Mathematicians can easily pronounce the Greek names here irrespective of their linguistic identity . We are raised learning new Greek letters 😂😂 everyday .

[@scintillam_dei]

Typical English-speakers butcher Latin, so they would butcher Greek as well.

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

They are not Greek but they are Phonecean Letters

[@Desidarius_Erasmus99]

@@ayhankaracaoglu6845 Are you sure ? α,β,γ,δ,θ,η,ζ,ξ,ε,ρ,τ,υ none of these are Greek words ?

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

@@Desidarius_Erasmus99 Yes I am sure, this is Phonecean alphabet and invented by phoneceans, ancient Greeks taken this alphabet from phoneceans. They are extinct in history. Fake Greeks are people who are sociologically engineered from Rums of mid and east Türkiye according to western "Greek Proje ct" around 1820s-30s.

[@supermavro6072]

@@Desidarius_Erasmus99 Yes, they are all Phoenician.

[@georget8008]

When we say "ancient greek" we have to define how "ancient" is the version of the Greek language we refer to. Here, you use the classical Greek version if the 4th-5th century BC. This version is 40-50% intelligible by the modern Greeks.(or less, depending on the level of education) If it was Koine Greek (200BC-300AD), it would have been intelligible at 70-80%. If we take older versions (like that in Linear B ~ 1200BC), it is completely unintelligible. Only the roots of certain key words can be identified by a modern speaker.

[@georget8008]

@@Deepak_Dhakad I have just found in Wikipedia the kadhahar Greek edicts of ashoka. The edicts are written in Koine Greek (the language version that will be later used in the Christian Bible and the gospels). Koine greek is the litourgical language of the greek orthodox church, until today. And yes, I can confirm that I can understand easily a 70% of the text, and the rest 30% can be understood with some more effort at a second reading. Note that I have not studied ancient greek language or literature, since I am a STEM graduate.

[@georget8008]

@@Deepak_Dhakad perhaps, because greek was an "official" language. During the Roman Era, it played the role that today the English language plays all over the world. After the 5th century AD, greek was the official language of the eastern Roman empire (byzantine empire), as well as the liturgical language of the Greek orthodox church. If a language has so many "official" roles, it is standardized and propagated through these official channels and the educational system. That's why it changes at a slower rate than other languages that do not have these characteristics.

[@georget8008]

@@Deepak_Dhakad in our case the official language was also spoken by the common people. In 2nd century bc, the common people was speaking koine Greek. Of course, as the years went by, the common spoken language started to deviate from the written. This linguistic phenomenon is called Diglossia. It is common in languages with very long history (like greek and arabic). However, even then, never the written language was completely unintelligible by a "commoner".

[@supermavro6072]

@@Deepak_Dhakad NO, we can't understand ancient Greek. This guy chatting with you is Iying. Plus modern greek is made up Ianguage. All Greeks used to speak AIvanian just 200 years ago.

[@supermavro6072]

@@georget8008 Stop Iying MaIIaka

[@No-Channel19]

I’m surprised how much language changes, yet still be the same language.

[@gardengeek3041]

If no one has said so already, an English language version of the first phrase: 'HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF'

[@EthemD]

This was great topic, Bahador, well done you three! 😁 I was always wondering how understandable ancient Greek was to modern Greek speakers. Someone once even said Cypriot Greek is very close to Ancient Greek, how true is that? Language is indeed a living entity and it is important to appreciate where everything originates from. 😊 I picked Latin when I was at middle school and was asked many times why, but it has helped me understand a lot of new words in countless occasions.

[@louismichael6843]

The syntax is almost the same ...Greek Cypriot here.

[@marcelfr90]

Greek Cypriots are the only ones left who pronounce the double consonants like the ancient Greeks did.

[@olgapapadopoulpou1142]

indeed Cypriot language( greek dialect) is very close to ancient Greek language and also the Greek Pontian dialect is very similar to the ancient Greek language.

[@Arissef]

@@louismichael6843 How can the syntax be almost the same when the Ancient Greek had 10 infinitives while the Modern Greek has ... none? Do you still use accusativus cum infinitivo, genitivus absolutus, the dative case, participium coniunctum and all the other stuff in Modern Greek? I mean you still say Ὄνομά μοι Λουίσιος? (=the name for me Louis [is])

[@TMPOUZI]

@@Arissef We say 'onoma mou, Loukios' yes but in everyday speech we add the article 'to' and the verb 'ine', so its 'to onoma mou ine Loukios". In ancient Greek it would be "Onoma moi Lukius estin". Yes today in MG there are still relics of infinitive and dative and other goodies (like ouden, gar, ouk, de, eis, para, meta, arti, eos, en to etc) in some phrases, if not many I'd say. Especially in legal or formal papers you see it all the time in phrases. Katharevousa which was an artificial dialect spoken officialy in Greece up to the 1970's helped restore many features from AG and influenced deeply Demotic (vulgar) Greek. I'm an engineer and when I write papers I use many ancient grammar or vocabulary myself. Everyone understands it, I don't get my papers returned ever!

[@doncorleone3082]

Incredibly excited!! 🎉🎉

[@thierryjean7455]

J apprends le grec ancien et votre cours m aide beaucoup merci beaucoup

[@CafeX473]

*Ancient Greek* I can speak it and it didn't die. I can also *Koine Greek!* Σου εύχομαι όμορφη *Κυριακή.*

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

FACTS !!! 💯

[@CafeX473]

@@SpartanLeonidas1821 ماذا تعني؟

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@CafeX473 What is that scribble?

[@supermavro6072]

Stop Iying !!!

[@supermavro6072]

@@SpartanLeonidas1821 He is Arap Greek

[@enemarius]

Beautiful content and discussion.

[@asurdevX]

L❤VE TO 🇬🇷 Greece from Armenia 🇦🇲

[@tonylarsan2682]

Great job guys, keep creating content like this!!!

[@vincentvanwyk5522]

Thanks athena. Modern pronunciation of ancient Greek is much better than reconstructed

[@E45F678]

No competition! 😅

[@valq10]

It seems a bit like Chaucer is to native English speakers, you can get the gist if you have some weird words explained to you and have a bit of time to tune in to the odd syntax and spellings. I guess Greece has just had a written literary culture for so long that their Chaucer moment was 2500 years ago rather than 700.

[@Cosmopavone]

I'm italian and i only know ancient greek cause we study it at school for 5 years with latin.

[@ffs5359]

Of course!

[@barrygaynor1025]

I'm translating the Gospel of Mark from the ancient Greek texts (my Greek New Testament), and I would appreciate learning how you would translate certain challenging verses and phrases. I'll post them. I also have some questions about which meaning (primary, secondary, tertiary, etc.) the author intended for certain words. I was taught that the case [nominative, genetive, dative, accusative, vocative] and context should help determine this. I'll post some of them.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Wasn't the Gospel of Mark originally written in Latin by someone who knew Aramaic? I remember René Couchoud wrote a series of papers on it.

[@TMPOUZI]

@@0752756949 It's true that in many occasions english translation has altered a bit the meaning of the gospels "Μακάριοι οι πτωχοί τω πνεύματι" it doesn't mean "blessed are the poor of spirit" or "blessed are the fools", but it's more like blessed are the ones who they suffer from the lack of divine grace, so they keep wanting it more and more and therefore are always trying to aproach God. The Kingdom of Heaven belongs to them So it's similar to the beggar of the divine spirit you mentioned. Therefore those people are actually wise, certainly not fools or poor of spirit

[@ayhankaracaoglu6845]

Barry, they cannot understand anything, because itsnot same language.

[@TMPOUZI]

@@ayhankaracaoglu6845 you are wrong ofcourse. For example the gospel 2000 years ago said "Μακάριοι οι πτωχοί τω πνεύματι ότι αυτών έστιν η βασιλεία των ουρανών". Τhe same sentence in modern Greek is "Μακάριοι οι φτωχοί στο πνεύμα, γιατί για αυτούς είναι η βασιλεία των ουρανών" Can you see the clear resemblance? Practically the same language

[@sgourkon8742]

​@@edwardmiessner6502 New Testimony is in Greek ( original i mean, first texts)

[@StefanosVasileiou]

Πόσο ενδιαφέρον, παιδιά!!! Μπράβο σας! :)

[@snopure]

I'll probably find this out soon enough, but have you done a video yet regarding the more ancient forms of English? It'd be interesting to observe how modern English, German, and Dutch speakers would react to sentences read from Chaucer, the Heliand, or Beowulf; maybe also include someone from one of the Scandinavian countries and analyze the Wanderer.

[@jackdavids2723]

Am I the only one who thought that the american guy and the greek guy looked like they could have been twins?

[@Jurek009]

Great vid! I'd be curious also to see a video where she pronounces the Greek like it would have been pronounced in the period from which the texts were taken. :D

[@E45F678]

There are quite a number of those videos available on KZbin already. Podium Arts, for one. I personally prefer Modern Greek pronunciation, as it sounds authentic rather than artificial.

[@ibn_klingschor]

"The title is often assumed to refer to his son Nicomachus, to whom the work was dedicated or who may have edited it (although his young age makes this less likely). Alternatively, the work may have been dedicated to his father, who was also called Nicomachus." lol

[@stevedelchamps5113]

For things that are going to happen are to a large degree similar to those that have happened

[@kenanozbay375]

I could make sense of it being able to see it written. I do not understand much modern Greek. No wonder Greek is one of the two oldest most written languages alongside with Chinese.

[@supermavro6072]

Hahaha......nice joke

[@anitahlavekova8524]

Well that was so cool !

[@steliopapakonstantinou674]

Hello. As a Greek I should say that for us, modern Greeks, it's much more "easier" to comprehend the Hellenistic Koiné than Attic dialect of the Classical Times, which is tought to the universities as Ancient Greek. Although it's not academically and linguistically correct to say so because automatically the rest of the ancient Greek dialects are excluded! We can always identify and recognize ancient Greek words in inscriptions and even comprehend most of the text. Well, not 100%, but, at least, a great deal of them!

[@southepirote7676]

Greeks are orthodox Albanians

[@E45F678]

​@@southepirote7676 Genius reply 👏

[@systema5688]

Nichomahos was Aristotles's son, he wrote the ethics as a treatise dedicated to his son.

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

ZEUS BLESS THE SPEAKER! Finally, I can hear the language of Age of Mythology! Prostagma

[@heroduelist9242]

Βουλομε 😂 μεταλευς 😂

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

@@heroduelist9242 Πρόσταγμα Λέγε Βούλομαι Πάμε Καλός Εἰσβολή Εἰς μάχην Πόρρω

[@heroduelist9242]

@@MrAllmightyCornholioz χαχαχ το αγαπημένο μου παιχνίδι ήταν 😂

[@Marble8King]

@@heroduelist9242 Βούλομαι

[@Marble8King]

@@MrAllmightyCornholioz Καλώς

[@jeffersonvieira7678]

please do this type of videowith dialects of the portuguese language or portuguese creole languages!! I love your chanel!!!!

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

Can you make one for Pontic too

[@anasetrakian3376]

Are there still Pontic Greek speakers living inside Turkey? I hope so 🙏

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

@@anasetrakian3376 5000

[@anasetrakian3376]

@@Kurdedunaysiri Interesting! Thank you

[@Kurdedunaysiri]

@@anasetrakian3376 it is dying. One of my friends’ mother tongue is Pontic. His wife’s as well but his wife did not want to speak in the language with their son.

[@zubairmohammadyusuf942]

@@Kurdedunaysiri are they Muslim?

[@thehauntedstream7206]

This video is amazing haha

[@dimikargas6324]

Χαιρετισμούς από Γερμανία Πολύ ωραίο και διασκεδαστικο

[@alexman8620]

Can you do Amharic vs Tigrigna? I know it is almost the same for this kind of comparison but it is one of way to make peace between them after a devastating war. Thank you man 🫡

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Nicomachus is the name of Aristotle’s Father AND Son….so you are Both technically correct :) Except, who was it named after? 😇

[@Andunia]

Yep, i am not missing that.

[@kokosgr]

"Νίψον ανομήματα μη μόναν όψιν" Now say it backwards..

[@theo9952]

It always depends on how ancient it is. The most ancient Greek we know of, are the Homeric poems of Iliad and Odyssey . The language in those, although easily recognisable as Greek, is very archaic and very hard to make sense of without very good knowledge of ancient Greek. On the other hand, the Hellenistic period Greek (after the death of Alexander the Great) is much easier to understand. And even easier than that, is the original language of the New Testament, in fact so easy, that it hardly needs to be translated into contemporary Greek.

[@selengeenesay7449]

Can you do the same with modern chinese and ancient chinese? 👀👀

[@skiesboi]

I'd love to do something like this between Ancient and Modern Hebrew. The only thing is that it would probably "work" better with non-religious Jews, as religious Jews sometimes understand/have been taught how to understand Ancient Hebrew, such as the reflexive "vav". Keep up the good work

[@inoovator3756]

They're pretty similar someone who knows modern Hebrew would be able to at least get the gist of ancient Hebrew

[@skiesboi]

@@inoovator3756 I know, but I'm curious how much I get when the Torah is being read because I know modern Hebrew, and how much I get because I've been taught to understand.

[@exampleemail848]

It also depends on which part of the Bible you focus on. The lyrical parts of it, such as most of Job and many parts of Psalms, will be less understandable to a modern Hebrew speaker because their language is extremely archaic, than, for example, Genesis or Leviticus which are more "informative".

[@theodorospadelidis6537]

Bahador Alast put a cypriot dialect speaker and pontic speaker and a tsakonian speaker to read ancient greek They are more intelligent to it

[@eleni1968]

Thank you for this. THe problem with translating is the following: some ideas CANNOT translate into another language as there are NO cultural equivalents even if its from the ancient to the modern of the SAME language. Other problems that arise is that language like cultures evolve over time based on social, economic and political circumstances.

[@NIKOS_GEROSIDERIS]

Its not actually difficult to understand ancient texts if you practise enought.

[@swedemartyrsonswade]

Interesting!

[@galgrunfeld9954]

Hey, Bahador, I'd love to see a video of people trying to understand Biblical Hebrew: a Yiddish speaker, a Modern Hebrew speaker, and maybe a Palestenian Arabic speaker - a speaker of langauges that had contact/similarity with Biblical Hebrew at different periods of time in history. I think it'd be super interesting! I'd love to take part in it (I'm a native Hebrew speaker).

[@scintillam_dei]

God rejects Israel because Israel rejected God. See my video "Zionism is Heresy."

[@nikostheofanidis9970]

This in the video is with modern accent. Ancient Greeks had a completely different accent from the one we have today's Greeks. Type Podium-Arts Aristotle and watch the video (11 minutes long) to hear how ancient Greek was (a Greek speak in the video)

[@NephilaClavata]

Yiddish is just Judeo German. It would be better to use a modern Aramic speaker as Aramaic is more closely related to Canaanite languages like Hebrew than Arabic is. You could also compare different varieties of Hebrew pronunciation, like Yemenite, among each other.

[@maggiemakeupnails1056]

@@nikostheofanidis9970 Alahabanian man, posa kila malakas mporei na eisai?