Can You Beat Pokemon Red/Blue with Just an Oddish?

The thumbnail tells the truth, this was one of the most irritating runs I've ever done, not just in Pokémon Red/Blue, but in any game to this point.
Edited by: SimplyAJ ( / simplyaj )
Rules and Explanations
Rules: (1) Only use the one Pokémon in Battle, others for HMs are fine. (2) No Items in battle (3) No Glitches* (4) Set Mode (5) No saving in the Elite Four (6) No evasion moves
Badge Boost "Glitch" Explanation: When you collect odd numbered badges the game boosts a stat by 12.5%. Brock gives ATK, Surge DEF, Koga SPE, and Blaine SPC (in game text is wrong). When any of your stats are modified (even by you using a move like Withdraw, or your opponent using Leer) the badge boosts are re-applied. So If you use Swords Dance, you also gain *an additional 12.5% in Speed/Defence/Special (on top of the 12.5% you were supposed to be getting). When you level up, the game corrects this error, and only the non-glitch 12.5% remains. Because of how difficult it is to avoid, I've allowed for it to be exploited, since opponents will spam Leer/Growl anyways, and this way battles are less random. Red/Blue are extremely buggy, so there's always going to be some glitches present, and because of how unavoidable this one is, it is allowed in runs, and considered more like a special Generation 1 mechanic as opposed to a glitch.

[@CyberBlastoise]

"If I use Sleep Powder against the Onix that's a mistake" Nah. That's your good AI telling you Onix is weak to Grass moves.

[@kazikek2674]

Genius!

[@neonthunder3261]

Top tier comment

[@AnotherSeeker]

This comment is totally Yellow bro.

[@neonthunder3261]

@@AnotherSeeker this is a new slang

[@jek__]

@@neonthunder3261 thats pretty fetch slang

[@mcbadrobotvoice8155]

“Now that we’ve beaten the zubat” This run is gonna be good i can tell

[@wildefice1]

I was playing WoW and when I heard that line I immediately thought to myself ,"somethings wrong I can feel it"

[@TheHadMatters]

Koga scrying through his crystal ball: "This bodes well."

[@KevinGlovered]

Good old bide glitch. If you use a non-damaging attack during bide, it’ll use the damage if the last used damage attack.

[@AnotherSeeker]

@@TheHadMatters now that's funny.

[@stephensimko7887]

I nearly died laughing at that

[@jordanthejq12]

"Worst run ever" Exeggcute and Zubat are waiting in the wings. It actually does get worse than this.

[@N12015]

And again, PIDGEY is as bad as Zubat. Seriously, that thing is atrocious and we all know it.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

How bout DAT Weedle eh

[@jordanthejq12]

@@N12015 STAB Double-Edge and Fly vs. non-STAB Double-Edge and no Fly. Mega Drain doesn't compensate for that. Zubat is worse.

[@vyor8837]

@@jordanthejq12 on the other hand, supersonic

[@7deuc2e38]

Tangella gotta be on that tier as well

[@Chatot4444]

Fun fact: if the target is recharging due to hyper beam, sleep moves will bypass accuracy checks to always hit, even if the target already has a different status effect

[@lazyhippie6139]

Gen 1's mechanics are so wild that I'm learning new stuff about it all the time. And I've been a fan since 1999!

[@dannyhilljr518]

I found this out on showdown lol

[@loganberkheimer1857]

r/todayilearned

[@Alizudo]

From a design perspective, Sleep-moves having guarenteed effect on Pokémon that are recharging makes *_perfect_* sense. It working even when the Pokémon is already Burned/Paralyzed/Frozen is unfair competitively, but still makes sense mechanically.

[@sideways5153]

Don’t you also do extra damage with stomp after the target uses minimize?

[@CuddleCuttlefish]

Actually, the 'lightyears away from beating Brock' line, isn't that random. It's most likely since the gym is right next to the museum, which has a space exhibit. The museum *is* the main attraction of the town, so it makes sense that kids growing up there would pick up space related language. It's pretty common for kids to mimick what they hear and when they learn a new word/phrase (like for example 'lightyear'), they'd use it every chance they get. Because it's new and cool to them

[@scottylang2214]

Also this came out right after Toy Story.

[@Gunsbeerfreedom87]

Not quite. "You're X years away from Y" is a fairly common Japanese expression. The kid here is misunderstanding both the meaning of a lightyear and the ability of you as a trainer. It's one of those phrases that doesn't translate well, more akin to saying "you're far too green to challenge Brock".

[@f0rm0r]

@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 in the remakes he says "wait a second, light years measures distance, not time!" after you beat him, so I always thought it was supposed to educate the player about the term.

[@Gunsbeerfreedom87]

@Formor Immington Yeah, I knew he realized the mistake as some point. But yeah, the line is there to demonstrate his ignorance and hubris.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Still, “lightyears away from facing Brock” is accidentally impressive. “Years away from facing Brock” is cliche in Japanese tropes, “lightyears away” implies a human-to-god distance away from beating Brock. Of course since he is an easily beaten trainer and it’s a Japan game “years away” was meant, but lightyears away is so impressive I can see why we let it be.

[@ultlifeform]

48:58 The irony is, after using Mirror Move to copy Swords Dance twice, Pidgeot's final critical hit was theoretically in your favor. A non-crit would have dealt about twice the damage of the crit. So at that point, the crit was actually good luck. But it was enough to take Oddish out either way, and the lead up to that situation was really bad luck.

[@barrycopa9179]

You sir, are on point, i suggest to switch name to Sure Surely, dead on.

[@xXJ4FARGAMERXx]

How do you reconcile with these kind of _50% chance for all the bad lead up and 5% chance for the final good thing?_ how do you count it? 50% luck against you? 45% luck against you? 2.5% luck against you?

[@ypob2007]

@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx what the hell are you trying to say?

[@HollandTHG]

@@ypob2007 He's asking if, in a situation such as "A 50% chance this happens and we lose and have to reset, or a 5% chance THIS happens and we win and can move on," does JRose count that as being a 50% chance to win, a 95% chance to lose, or a 5% chance to win? Basically, does JRose look at it with the best sounding numbers, for the sake of his own mental health, or does he look at it with the smaller, more scrutinized outlook, in order to face the bad luck with a readied approach? If that even makes sense lol.

[@ypob2007]

@@HollandTHG i still understood nothing lol, he didn’t phrase it very well, although it is very hard to phrase math stuff. But from what I understood: If there’s a 50% chance of losing, a 5% of winning, and a 45% of nothing happening (neutral), does jrose see that as a good, bad or neutral win rate?

[@Manstar]

Lance's Wife: "Hi honey! How was your day?" Lance: "I got beat by a boy with a onion"

[@33dbz]

Well Lance should of just stopped spamming barrier and agility then lol

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

@@33dbz He then got a better strat and started spaming full restores.

[@frappompi]

@@33dbz he can't help it, he has "Good" AI syndrome

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

@@isaacleillhikar4566 Funny is always how the champion of the league can only afford two potions, and doesn't even have a revive or the like. I mean either you don't use items at all because your the champion. Or you should drown your enemies in items and cheat like a boss.

[@wesleyoldham4222]

Magikarp vs Red/Blue: "What is by far the most difficult trainer in this entire run, and of course it's a trainer with an Oddish." Oddish vs Red/Blue: "Worst run ever!"

[@pikapuffin368]

It’s hilarious how these things work out

[@jacencade4019]

Weedle: allow me to introduce myself

[@michaelnobbs9147]

Ya know, I've watched all these videos and one which I think would be really interesting is Porygon. Its so annoying to get one normally, I reckon there's a fair chunk of people who never even bothered getting one, let alone use it

[@michabaron4129]

Porygon is kinda OP for this run - very fun one to start with

[@guessowii]

@@michabaron4129 op?

[@anashar6811]

@@guessowii over powered

[@magicsack]

Over powered?

[@deathsnitemaresinfullust2269]

i remember the first time i finally got one, it was So difficult to get i had convinced myself it was going to be an amazing Pokemon.🤦‍♂️ Needless to say it wasn't "all that and a bag of chips." Basically just had a move that none of the other Pokemon had and it wasn't even that strong, still i was happy to have finally gotten it. 😄👍

[@rainpooper7088]

25:20 Can we just mention the two consecutive full HP Super Potions while Fire Spin is active? Blaine is mocking Jrose11 at this point.

[@nicrudiger961]

I just today noticed that you put a color filter over all of your gen 1 solo runs, that corresponds to the color of the pokemon you’re doing a run with. That’s a nice touch

[@cyphate]

This channel has always emitted a kind of chill, relaxed watching experience, seeing an entertaining guy doing fun little challenges in a kids game. Sometimes I'm surprised you don't get more frustrated when you get bad luck or run into problems. But then i saw the crit miss against Aerodactyl and noted that there was still 25 minutes of the video left. I am now convinced that your ability to stay cool is some kind of superpower and I have no idea how there wasn't just a cut to black caused by the breaking of technology

[@penguinlad19]

I like to think he's so extremely upset that he's experiencing an overflow glitch and his brain is at negative anger levels.

[@cyphate]

@@penguinlad19 so what you're saying is if jrose gets happier we are at risk of a civ 4 Gandhi nuclear event

[@miqvPL]

... you are aware it's a voice-over?

[@cyphate]

​@@miqvPL I'm pretty sure every time someone watches the video jrose stops whatever he's doing to personally narrate whats happening

[@LilyCelebiFlipnote]

@@cyphate When we rewind him, we remind time. Can't believe people don't know that. ...must have something to do with not being a Celebi or Dialga.

[@Emperor_Toxatine]

0:40 we are off to a great start with this one

[@kaptainKrill]

I already know I’ll love this video.

[@HypeWrecks]

He didn’t even sing the last note. I’m malding.

[@AndrooTheNerd]

@@HypeWrecks I think if he had sang “I will put the theme song here and if I don’t they’ll cry” utilizes every note. 😅

[@halfpace1462]

69 likes 👌

[@bubblewrapvillain]

Giggled hard.

[@TheEmilyFravel]

"I'll put the theme song here if I don't then they'll cry." Jrose "Gigachad" 11 2022-

[@henrymars6626]

That made me laugh so hard I swear. I love the snark.

[@YungAcorn]

@@henrymars6626 I woulda cried if it wasn't in there tho frfr

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@YungAcorn I swear I'm the only one here that hates that jingle! I always make a playlist of these videos to fall asleep to because they're so chill (I'm sure there's a word for that that doesn't make me sound like a 12 year old, but whatevs. See? I did it again!), but I always wake up because that part is so much louder than everything else. So apparently I don't even hate the theme song, I just hate amateurs trying their hand at sound mixing...? Welp, I just learned something new about myself, thank you for accompanying me on this journey :)

[@pablerarav9016]

I didn't hear it. When did the jingle play?

[@greed94]

@@idontwantahandlethough I feel you so hard on this, holy moly.

[@PelemusMcSoy]

The color palette used in this run is probably my favorite in the series. The green used is oddly soothing.

[@ClassicMiddleton]

Wouldn't say its completely oddly soothing, personally. It makes sense. But in a way, I guess it's oddish.

[@paulthompson382]

Honestly, I'll never find your placement on the tier list controversial; you're the one doing the run so you're the best judge of where it should go!

[@mayborneflower]

The reason you won the Rocket Zubat battle after only taking a single hit was due to the Damage Duplication glitch of Gen I. Basically if you hit a biding foe once but not a second time, the damage for the first hit is duped for the second turn despite no actual damage being incurred, so it’s usually better to just hit the other guy again since you’re being hit back for two turns of damage anyways. Learned about this one while playing myself on Pokémon Showdown. Route 22 Rival vs Brock, as part of a Rival vs Gyms run.

[@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis]

It baffles me that Pokémon Showdown got the Gen 1 experience to a t.

[@mayborneflower]

@@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis They didn’t. They auto set 252 SpD EVs in the Import/Export when you make a Gen I mon and it actually affects their Special in battles unless you edit it down to 3 or less.

[@wadespencer3623]

We're this far into the series and still finding new Gen 1 glitches.

[@hobbitdur1001]

@mayborneflower Thank you for the explanation, I tried to translate it but your sentence is too complex for my poor english. Could you either give me a link explaning in detail this glitch or rephrasing it ? Would help me to get it ! Thank to anyone doing it :D

[@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis]

@@hobbitdur1001 When you use the move BIDE you get two to three turns of storing damage then you give that back and some more. If and when your opponent hits you the FIRST round but not the SECOND round, you take the damage from the FIRST round and ADD that on your SECOND round. You don't add ZERO. OP then said "better to attack two times because you will take damage as if you did that anyways".

[@lukegeer4864]

You actually got a laugh out of me with that theme bit. 😂

[@patrickfrei9322]

Can't believe this isn't the top comment 😄 had to go back and rewatch it 😂

[@patrickverdier6700]

sooo good

[@MazterP28]

WhT theme bit?

[@lukegeer4864]

@@MazterP28 40 seconds in he does a joke over his typical theme intro.

[@stephensimko7887]

Same here 😂😂

[@BowserdudeX]

MDB: Did you beat my level Jrose: Yes MDB: What did it cost Jrose: My luck

[@anlev11]

Another thing that went against oddish is the lack of growth. It would be great to have a +6 stab mega drain hitting everything and restoring almost full HP after each pokemon

[@idontwantahandlethough]

ooo that would be sick. Idk why, but I absolutely love all the "lifesteal" moves in pokemon, but they were always kinda lackluster imo. I know Giga -chad- drain was good, but it had pretty low PP if i remember correctly. I haven't played in quite a few generations, do you know if there are any newer decent drain moves? Or any non-grass drain moves? Dream Eater counts, I suppose, and it was pretty awesome (although kinda finicky with the sleep req) Edit: also, you are saying that apparently Growth helps? I assume that just raises special attack, right? Last time I played pokemon I didn't usually bother with non-damaging moves cause I thought they were a waste lolol. I was not a smart kid.

[@wartortle2300]

@@idontwantahandlethough leech life is way stronger in the newer games (it's 20 base power in gens 1-6, and got boosted to 80 in gen 7), so it's a pretty good hp draining move there

[@14bj337]

@@idontwantahandlethough Since Gen V, Giga Drain has had a respectable 75 BP and 10 PP, restoring half its user's health. Same for Horn Leech (Giga Drain, but physical) and Drain Punch (physical Fighting-type attack). Oblivion Wing, Yveltal's signature move, is an 80 BP Flying-type special move with 10 PP, restoring a whopping 75% of damage dealt to its user. Draining Kiss is a Fairy-type special attack that restores a similar proportion, but with only 50 BP.

[@Xpwnxage]

@@idontwantahandlethough I just love lifesteal in general. Every rpg I play, I gravitate towards lifesteal builds.

[@joshuapoland575]

God I love this guy. I swear he's just got something so charming about his voice and personality.

[@jabolosdex1041]

You sum it up pretty well. I am so happy that I discovered him in 2020. And his English is so easy to understand for Germans. Love it.

[@skilly114]

@@jabolosdex1041 Ich schlaf zu dem ein xD

[@jabolosdex1041]

@@skilly114 Ich könnte es mir nie verzeihen, wenn ich Rival Fival verpassen würde oder den Count ;)

[@archivelibrarian6818]

yeah jrose is awesome. brings me back to when i was 12 years old just watching playthroughs of pokemon done in weird ways

[@marystone1526]

His videos bring me back to 20 years ago when I was playing Pokémon Blue on my sister's Gameboy Colour or watching my friend play it on hers. Those were the days. :)

[@Myhrrylyth]

"I'll put the theme song here, if I don't then they'll cry..." Absolute Sigma Chad moment. Probably one of the best lines ever spoken on YT.

[@nathanbaney4394]

And he's right, I would've cried

[@calamarimo2855]

If I'm remembering how probability works and I'm counting right, that second to last champion run had charizard hit with fire spin 11 times in a row. With a 70% chance to hit, hitting 11 times in a row only has a 1.9% chance of happening. This truly was the most cursed run

[@richardhight7616]

Jrose thank you for still including the intro. I definitely would've cried had it not been there. Much appreciated

[@enixxe]

New Jrose videos always improve my day, especially when you're releasing practically once a week.

[@vbph2011]

Same. I'm so glad he got an editor. He said before he wouldn't, but I'm glad he did, haven't noticed any change in style or quality.

[@AndrooTheNerd]

@@vbph2011 I came here to say the same thing. Zero drop off in quality and it’s way less likely he experiences burnout this way.

[@vbph2011]

@@AndrooTheNerd yeah I actually went back and watched allll of his other videos (2x speed). The thing surprised me the most was how many videos he did without Agatha lottery, rival fival, count impression, etc. Absolutely no difference between the bulbasaur run and this run (besides just getting better at making vids)

[@AndrooTheNerd]

“Would you describe Jrose11 as a bit odd?” Me: ‘I mean, he’s Odd-ish.’

[@AT-il2ej]

A little gloomy. But his plumage is fantastic

[@drew4126]

Bro 😂😂😂😂 "put the theme song here if I don't they'll cry"

[@AndrooTheNerd]

@@drew4126 I was cracking up at that part. 💀

[@AndrooTheNerd]

@@AT-il2ej Bruh like have you seen those petals dance?!

[@justinlang6283]

I felt that “get me out of here!” when you beat charizard hahaha

[@dwellerofgloom8450]

Doesn't matters to me if the others have already made a video about the same pokemon, I'll watch the content anyway. Each youtuber approach and style is unique to them and I love it. I support this channel and the others too, you're all great

[@shepskydad]

I didn’t think Oddish would be such a massive pain, especially so early on. With the same typing as Bulbasaur I had hope but a lack of a standard move like Tackle comes with it’s downsides. Thank you JRose for subjecting yourself to this run 🙌🏼

[@Team_Orchid]

Not to mention the lack of Leech Seed for recovery and Razor Leaf for easy crits (yes even with that speed stat) really hurts it.

[@ace_stallion]

I know it's cliché to say, but I was just trying to find something to watch when you uploaded. Hopefully this run didn't take too much a toll on your sanity.

[@TheOnemore89]

I swear me to

[@Pao-vo8mf]

I was just arriving home from a forest bath when the notification popped up. technology break is over, time for jrose.

[@stonksrus]

Dm me I'm not a bot ...I swear I'm not a bot .. what r u doing ...don't hit the spam button ...no wait ...WAIT PLEASE ...let's talk this out ...ok good ...so look I know right now times are tough but I have this amazing bridge out in the hamptons I'm trying to sell...wait No no NOOOOO don't gooo don't lock me up again please I'm begging u I'll be good AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ....dm me u won

[@halfpace1462]

its more cliche to spell cliche with the é like that

[@nautgamingnautgaming9949]

What about mimic agility n teach takedown over swords dance for final rival

[@thepotato513]

I took one look at Oddish's learnset and immediately knew Agatha would be an issue lol

[@DanBottiglieri]

Gonna be interesting how Bellsprout and Oddish stack up against each other: they have identical TM movepools, but Bellsprout is slightly less strong specially, slightly stronger physically and frailer, but with slightly more speed. Bellsprout also starts with Growth and Vine Whip which will be huge although he's going to have a similar issue against Bug, Poison and Flying types as Oddish as he only learns Wrap until level 26 offensively. I reckon Growth is going to allow Bellsprout to come out on top, especially as he gets it and Sleep Powder so early.

[@ZorotheGallade]

I guess Bellsprout gets slightly better mileage out of Swords Dance + Double Edge, though that's not very sustainable unless it gets to heal up via Mega Drain

[@solarstorm5242]

Amazing jingle, 10/10, would cry again.

[@kalebschuller4709]

Just finished watching MDB do this challenge last week. Always so entertaining to see the differences in strategies. I really enjoy and appreciate you both 🙂

[@4hisglory13]

Couldn't agree more!

[@qgame4941]

This absolutely

[@chops3905]

Gigachad comment

[@kalebschuller4709]

@@chops3905 I’m going to consider this a compliment even though I’m not sure 😂❤️

[@sonicdoommario]

When you got that critical hit on the Rival 6 Charizard, in the minutes leading up to that I was thinking "Oddish has a really low speed, so critical hits probably won't be much of a factor in this run, in fact, I don't think I've seen him hit one yet" (maybe he did in the early game when he was Absorbing Pokemon to death and didn't catch it, but those wouldn't made much of a difference early on).

[@DarthAnimal]

I cant wait for you to do Butterfree. Confusion at the start wrecks the weedle, the koffing, the zubat, lol, its the exact opposite of Oddish, yet it still gets the moves that makes oddish theoretically good like Mega Drain, and the powders

[@willpat3040]

You can do minimum battles with Butterfree though its really hard. I've done it twice. I can't wait to see Jrose use it.

[@PharaohJ]

@@willpat3040 he already did Butterfree a few weeks ago and he did Weedle a month ago and it didn't go well

[@thethree13o]

Thats why i always train one up in a playthrough for an early psychic move, at least until i get a better psychic pokemon or another one entirely

[@florentan3746]

I made an Oddish run, and I found that keep Acid was really great against all of rival fight. At the same time, in your run, the recoil of Double-Edge/Take Down was detrimental.

[@anlev11]

Before watching the run, i saw oddish' learnset and thought the same. Acid would be better than double-edge

[@oliverleonard7730]

Cut or Acid might have worked well not sure about Cut though.

[@carl4889]

Acid gets STAB, so it's 60% of Double Edge's power, with no recoil. Probably the better move right up to Bruno.

[@hurrayor]

@@oliverleonard7730 Cut makes that you have to rely on SDance Cut throughout the final part of the game, which is tricky. But it might be good enough. It is highly likely that Acid is better after Sabrina, with only Giovanni being slightly annoying with Acid, I'd assume. I don't know if Acid would be useful against Agatha, because her Ghost mons resist it 4x. They still have poor defense though.

[@florentan3746]

@@hurrayor Sleep Powder/Acid/Sword Dance/Petal Dance was my set until Agatha, where I learnt Mimic in the place of Petal Dance. And I learnt Mega Drain instead of Mimic for the rival. (Giovanni is a joke with Petal Dance)

[@robertwright8844]

The building sense of excitement/impatience/desperation in his voice as he battles Blaine at 26:01 is pretty funny

[@DotArve]

I've done this run myself - can't recall the specific level I needed to be at, but let's just say I arranged my own "Great Diglett Fainting" to alleviate the speed issue as I progressed.

[@adhdweirdo4314]

Rip diglett’s

[@thomasquwack9503]

With that and switching the use times of “take down” and “double edge”, I think this run could be a bit easier towards the end

[@itschris5938]

This man has beaten Pokémon more times then I've talked to real people

[@Stanggwarbeard]

The theme song had me cry laughing. I dunno why it just got me.

[@TheLiamO23]

Every time I have a read of the comments I always see a story how JROSE has helped someone going through a hard time with his videos. I think that must be so nice for him to see knowing that his videos have served so much more of a purpose than just fun gaming videos, and the community are so appreciative of an upload.

[@fizzbrew]

That's because modern society is filled with mental illness.

[@RoninCatholic]

The Junior Trainer in Brock's gym says you're light years from being able to beat Brock because Brock is the most skilled trainer he personally knows and is impressed by; it's used as a figure of speech. When you beat him and Brock, he acknowledges that light years are a measure of distance, not of time, and so acknowledges that metaphorically you have reached that great distance in a very short time, making it all the more impressive. One thing that should be noted is the majority of NPCs in the Pokemon games have in-universe been training their Pokemon team from when they were children (usually "training" in the sense of putting them to work in a non-combat capacity helpful to their job, like swimmers having Water types who can save them from drowning). The player character's Pokemon all gain experience faster than most NPCs would get, thus Elite 4 and Champions _not_ having maxed out teams of six level 100 Pokemon with competitively viable movesets and perfect IV/EV/DV spreads. These other characters can have other training methods not available to the player too, hence Dragon Master Lance being able to prematurely evolve a Dragonair into Dragonite below level 55 and teach it "illegal" moves.

[@tinkerer3399]

The Junior Trainer does not say that additional thing in this version. That was added to the remake to hang a lampshade on his line. Regarding what you say in the second paragraph 100%. People never seem to recognize that just because your Pokémon behave a certain way that doesn't mean that us a universal constant in this world.

[@steeldragon95]

I always figured that the player's pokemon gaining experience as quickly and constantly as they do was due to the player being a talented trainer. Like other trainers reach a hard cap with their levels due to not battling as much or training as well so you are an anomaly. Would explain why everybody comments on how well-trained they are.

[@bluegum6438]

@@steeldragon95 Yeah in universe your pokemon don't just get buff from slapping caterpies around all day, having a team of fully evolved powerful pokemon is evidence of skill, dedication and hard work. Obviously, the main characters are very gifted and are able to help their pokemon grow more effectively than most other people.

[@LanceOmikron]

@@tinkerer3399 What are you talking about? In Pokemon Red/Blue, the very version being played in this video, the Junior Trainer's dialogue is as follows: Before battle: Stop right there, kid! You're still light years from facing Brock! Upon defeat: Darn! Light years isn't time! It measures distance! In Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green, the only change is that he says "ten-thousand light years" instead of just "light years". Otherwise the dialogue is identical. In both versions, the intent of his dialogue is that he's saying it'll be a very long time before you stand a chance in a battle against Brock. And then the after-battle dialogue has him realizing that he screwed up and accidentally used a term for distance instead of time. It's... a really simple joke.

[@TheGreatSpanishBaldwin]

Loved your adjustment to battle Erica’s gym trainers. They’re not only pretty easy for many types, but you get a ton of money in the process (for vitamins, etc), so it’s probably a good idea to try that in many of these runs

[@Lord_necromancer]

If they're using one Pokemon the whole time I can't imagine they don't have max EVs by then, right? How useful will vitamins be at that point?

[@markvanpopering4598]

@@Lord_necromancer In gen 3 and up, EVs can be maxed out pretty quickly because it only takes 510 pokemon at most to be at your limit. A lot of mons give 2 or 3, so it'll be a lot less in practice. Gen 1 and 2 stat experience can go up to 65535, though 63504 to max out a given stat, but you can max them all and you only get a Pokemon's base stat in a category for knocking it out. The very quickest you could max one would be knocking out 255 Chanseys to max HP. Looking at average pokemon stats, it takes over 1000 Pokemon to max out your stat Exp, which I'm pretty sure is more than every trainer in the game combined has, so you would need to grind a ton against wild Pokemon to finish.

[@johntarver5684]

You and Scott’s thoughts both coming in clutch with content for us fans!

[@rolandorga9212]

Didn't think I get to see Scott referenced in an JRose video

[@karotconcarne3325]

@@rolandorga9212 And why not :) The guy rose up in popularity since he does so much awesome work on those games. They both deserve admiration. And for this vid Jrose deserves a plushie and some hot cocoa and a blanket, too... Poor guy.

[@rolandorga9212]

@@karotconcarne3325 oh nono, don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of both of them, they're basically my only feed in youtube rn, it's just I didn't expected it to be another one who watches and admire them both

[@Pyxis10]

And both do painful runs this week.

[@johntarver5684]

@@rolandorga9212 they are both awesome and have way more patience than I do for these runs.

[@RFingaz69]

I freakin cackled at the improvised theme song Great stuff man! Love your vids

[@rodneymorin6778]

You know after a run like that…you should treat yourself with an OP Starmie run!

[@cooljams_jams]

I really wish instead of 9 grass/poisons, they had made one of the 1st grasses also ground type. The oddish line would be a good candidate and’ve made this run way faster.

[@amandagarcia2848]

Would have worked with them being mandrakes

[@EresirThe1st]

There should've been way more type variety in gen 1. Why would they introduce monotype gym leaders without there being at least 5 or 6 pokemon of each type? Hell for Bruno he even had Poliwrath and Primeape to put on his team but they gave him two onixes anyway.

[@cooljams_jams]

@@EresirThe1st couldn't agree more. Posting a challenge video about this soon.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Pretty sure the whole point of the E4 in gen 1 was to give them basically the rarest types. There were 3 dragons, 3 ghosts, 5 ice types and 8 fighting types because somethingsomething rare = strong. Ofc doesn't do diddly to explain the two onixes, but yeah, pretty sure that's the reason.@@EresirThe1st

[@FuckYoutubeCensorship]

While playing pokemon showdown I learned two things: Do NOT sleep on Oddish with sleep powder or Koffing with thunderbolt.

[@nerdstop5025]

Good Ole gen 1 Randbats, every pokemon being available. I personally LOVE the fact I can get Metapod, Kakuna, Caterpie, Weedle, Magikarp, and Mewtwo.

[@wildefice1]

@@nerdstop5025 lol I did a gen 1 random battle with a buddy at work and I shit you not I got a caterpie amd magikarp while he got mewtwo and tauros... suffice to say that match did not exactly go well for me

[@magikarpsplashy]

@@wildefice1 did you even use splash 🙄

[@Pyxis10]

@@magikarpsplashy Mewtwo: *See's splash* I give up. *goes back into ball*

[@wildefice1]

@@magikarpsplashy ofc I did but splashed miss because magikarp is so strong he over shot the move because there is iron in his blood cuz he eats his spinach

[@Kite403]

I've heard of that "You're [such and such] years from facing me!" line a few times before. I think it's just a Japanese trope taunt meant to say you're nowhere near skilled enough. What a little punk, though lol

[@perkypenguin1663]

Man, I can feel how rough this run must have been. I hope you know that we greatly appreciate what you do to provide great content for us!

[@duszty]

This run was a rollercoaster. But I loved every second of it. Watching your run and MDBs run were both fun.

[@metathpr4h290]

You don't know how happy I'm that you're back to uploading often, I love your channel so much

[@RaphielShiraha64]

Nice PFP.

[@metathpr4h290]

@@RaphielShiraha64 Thank you! (>^-^)>

[@Alakadoof]

Production quality is taking a nice step up. Great work AJ!

[@SimplyAJ]

Haha, hey thanks!

[@jamesfowler6785]

The runs where you can tell he's close to a mental breakdown are always the best, thanks JRose!

[@YayapLives]

So, I'm not a statistician, but I feel like the ever increasing levels of salt this run induced into Jrose's bloodstream may have made him misjudge how unlucky he was getting. Sure he lost to some unlikely things here... But they were often all different unlucky things meaning the overall chance of his opponents stumbling into a winning line might not have been as small as he realized. Not to mention a lot of his strats revolved around multiple turns of sleep set up and/or hitting multiple 70-85% hitrate moves meaning that every opposing pokemon received multiple turns to luck into their own wincons. He was so frustrated that when his opponents got _unlucky_ and crit when at 4x attack he still counted that as him getting unlucky when it was the opposite and he was just 100% dead even with the luck.(not that that fight wasn't unlucky just that he was tilted and looking for bad luck where it wasn't) Either way the salt is 100% understandable, and the video was great as always. I do wonder what the actual odds of beating that Aerodactyl was though.

[@grantbaugh2773]

I'm inclined to agree with you. There's a point where you have to wonder if it's actually bad luck vs just a number of points where things can be lost.

[@Kahadi]

While you do have a point, there are some exceptions to consider. Specifically the odds of some of the consecutive situations. Getting hit by Fire Spin? A bit unlucky, but common. 85% accuracy with no external factors influencing it (like boosted or lowered accuracy or evasion) means its more likely to hit than to miss. Getting hit by 2 Fire Spins is, again, not inherently unlucky just because if you're doing enough battles, its bound to happen eventually. But getting hit by Fire Spin twice in a row? Not quite as likely. 70% chance twice isn't good. Getting hit by Fire Spin 3 times in a row? Even less likely. I counted 4 in a row there, he said 5, another comment I saw says 6. Even just 4 isn't likely. 0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7 is only 24%. On top of that, its only the calculation for Fire Spin to hit. Champion Blue has Good AI, and thus will pick a super-effective move, and has Fire Blast and Fire Spin, meaning he has a 50:50 chance of either one. So technically speaking, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is 0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7, or only a 1.5% chance of happening. Now, technically the fact that it chose Fire Spin 4 times instead of ever picking Fire Blast is good luck, since Fire Blast has slightly higher accuracy and much higher damage, but even so, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is pretty low odds. And that's just one example. He also has a low crit chance, at only 6%, and while he's definitely using enough attacks throughout a playthrough that he's guaranteed a few critical hits even with Oddish, the odds of getting so many during the end game is not very high. Again, 6%, or 3 of every 50 attacks, not including status moves since they can't crit. He definitely got more than that in the end game. Again, with how much he plays, the odds are skewed. Oddish fought a lot, and even him resetting still counts towards the probability of these events happening, so he'll definitely get a few crits, and he definitely missed some things that were actually good luck, as well as not realizing how lucky he was with sleep sometimes (though its really not that lucky from what I saw. 1-7 turns, missing the turn you wake, means odds increasing by 1/7 every turn its asleep, starting with zero and finishing with 100%, so there's a 1/7 chance they wake up second turn, 2/7 third turn, which means 2-3 turns isn't too unlikely, and I don't recall him getting the longer ones very often). The bad luck isn't so much it happening at all, the 1/256 glitch is low odds but still almost guaranteed once per run with just how much battling he has to do. The bad luck is it all happening in the same run, and for the stuff that could happen at any point in the run, having it happen a lot more in the end game than the early game. Some of these were quite literally like flipping a coin 30 times and getting 24 heads. Not impossible, but really, really unlikely, and really bad whenever you call tails.

[@michaeljohnston6783]

Furthermore, when evaluating your own bad luck, there's a tendency to evaluate only the specific situation that fainted you, not every ordering of those events that would have also fainted you. Is it unlucky that the AI picked certain move X at random and it landed, or were there other more accurate moves that could also have been picked and KO'd Oddish? Not only that, but the 'situation' involves multiple repeats. Missing two sleeps row is 'unlucky', unless you're putting many, many pokemon to sleep - in which case it is *expected* that a percentage of them will not be put to sleep within two turns. That compounds the point about the reliance this run had on 70-85 accuracy moves.

[@EresirThe1st]

In a game where everything is luck based every so often you're going to get stuff that's just absolutely ridiculous. See Werster lol

[@weir9996]

Yeah, he really likes abusing statistics, pointing out the odds of specific events happening when, with his setup, there were a lot of ways for things to go wrong and only a few ways for things to go right. A low speed pokemon with sleep powder and takedown isn't really doing much to encourage good luck.

[@davidian7036]

I think you should run starmie, if you can get past Misty and Surge quickly It could truly give mewtwo a run for its money. It's got good speed, great special, good bulk and an amazing move pool. It may struggle slightly early but post surge it will be extremely easy.

[@FinalCataclsym]

The quadrility of Pyschic, Thunderbolt, Icebeam and Surf should kill just about everything in the game. No Agatha lottery. No BS Lance. Bruno is toast. Worst fights are probably against normal types like Kangaskan, Jinx or other psychic types. Which good AI will make them not use psychic moves against you.

[@sakurintamaki177]

@@FinalCataclsym Staryu is actually pure water so good AI wouldn't avoid psychic moves.

[@samusaran7317]

@@sakurintamaki177 They were talking about Starmie and not Staryu...

[@PublicNMEno1]

Which level up group is it in? I agree that Starmie would be really good for all the reasons you mentioned, but I still see no real advantages over Mewtwo unless it's in a faster level up group. The Alakazam/Gengar tier is very plausible, though.

[@Podzhagitel]

@@FinalCataclsym tetralogy *

[@bossman4799]

The ensign Surge joke is killing me. I forgot about the joke until Jrose just casually called him that.

[@rand5106]

What's the joke?

[@bossman4799]

@@rand5106 He said Surge was too pitiful to be a Lieutenant and he should be a lower rank. That’s why he started to call him Ensign Surge.

[@napoleoncomplex2712]

I was seething sympathetically at the Elite Four luck. The game put every single obstacle it could possibly muster in your way, but you prevailed in the end!

[@NoisyBones]

I watched the MDB one too! I love both you guys, I have really nasty anxiety sometimes at night and you guys are so comforting to listen to.

[@lillithplays6514]

Your new editor is the hero we all needed

[@Bacchus325]

I was just thinking about this run yesterday. I can't wait to see how this goes.

[@riku122]

Hey man, just wanted to say I really enjoy your runs, they've actually been kinda helping me through a rough patch. I just finished my first solo run, using slowpoke in yellow (only after seeing that you'd done a slowpoke run too), and it was thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks for all your content, I'm glad you've shared what you enjoy with the rest of us C:

[@RosyKitteh]

Jrose saying it wasn't Oddish's fault, it was the game's warmed my heart. I don't know why, but I can't take someone saying a particular Pokemon is bad. I guess that's why I like watching and playing solo challenges. I think every Pokemon is amazing and I want them all to find victory

[@matthewbailey8588]

To me, any pokemon that can learn pedal dance is awesome. It's such a cool move

[@daniel_cofresi]

I haven't heard you this frustrated in a while. Thanks for enduring this for us. It was worth it, a very entertaining and exciting run to the end

[@robroy7934]

Jrose, I genuinely get excited to see your solo runs. Keep up the great work!

[@ShadowDx]

“For the record, I love this job.” What a hero.

[@BlazeStorm]

"I don't think you guys understand what just happened". Jrose, I've seen every one of your videos at least thrice. You got a lot of fans, I think we're up to speed on some of these gen 1 oddities

[@archivelibrarian6818]

in the gen 3 remakes, firered and leafgreen, the trainer at the end of the battle says "lightyears measures time...not distance." almost like a little nod to that original line

[@Penguindude1]

I kind of figured if this was the "Worst Run Ever" that it would end up in the bottom tier with Pidgey and Abra. I mean, that E4 performance alone would've convinced me. But still, I would not suggest this to my worst enemy.

[@3eve0n]

"worst run ever" not "worst pokemon ever". he just got really bad luck, which shouldn't effecting ranking.

[@joemkdd]

he just got incredibly bad luck. it is a suboptimal Pokémon, but it shouldn't have been nearly this hard

[@Purple-Popcorntm]

@@3eve0n I always felt like how a pokemon can deal with bad luck should factor into their ranking. Like, say you get hit with a crit or level up at a bad spot, a good pokemon would be able to bounce back from that and win the battle, while bad pokemon can't. Oddish is the example of a pokemon that simply cannot handle any amount of bad luck without fainting.

[@3eve0n]

@@Purple-Popcorntm uh, did we watch the same video? there were several times when he still got some bad luck but made it through the fight. He just had bunch sequences of REALLY bad luck, like the fire spin chain against charizard. This isn't the first time either, iirc, the dratini video had some really bad luck as well. Are you saying dratini should be bottom tier, too?

[@3eve0n]

@@Purple-Popcorntm Also leveling up mid battle has nothing to do with luck. there is absolutely no randomness at all involved with gaining EXP.

[@keystep8669]

I watched the stream you did right after you beat this and you were so exhausted haha. I appreciate your dedication to these insane challenges

[@danhasfun]

You got to feel for Oddish. After getting Swords Dance it can finally hit hard, but basically OHKOs itself with confusion caused by its own Petal Dance. A Pokemon as bad at the solo run as it is cute.

[@soulmourne2698]

Confusion breaks bide bassically allows it to oneshot the same happened in the gengar run when onix used bide when it was confused you dealt 5 damage with night shade and dealt back all 25 or something like that hp

[@dynastystar5515]

0:40 I don't really get the double way of thinking. I like the intro, I like the channel's memes and jokes. Why does Jrose act like they're such a blemish on the channel, especially when he so fervently defends a channel for doing the exact same thing and he gets off scot free for doing it? He has such a negative attitude towards stuff like that, I'm just confused why he's being so negative of his own content like that.

[@entombedmachine]

Your dedication to these challenges truly inspires me in ways I don't even understand myself. You make me want to create my own Pokemon videos, and I think one day soon I will do just that. PLEASE never stop creating content, I could watch you play through these games a billion times with different weak ass Pokemon and still enjoy the hell out of eveery single one! I LOVE you and I love your videos!

[@kmytpmv314]

All your material is top notch and high quality. But this run in particular is one of the best you’ve made, with similar veins to the Red/Blue Magikarp run (which I keep going back to). Many thanks 🙏🏻

[@lukefenton7809]

Would love to see a Krabby true solo run still, Surf, Cut and Strength 😄

[@derekmahaffey5417]

Best version of the theme song ever

[@eternalmaggot7246]

34:13. When you beat the sixth rival but there's still over half an hour of video remaining; that's when you know a run is special. Good on you for persevering, man. Keep it up.

[@MrShirk4life]

You are currently my favorite KZbinr right now! Keep up the videos because these are super entertaining to watch! Interested to see how fast you can do a run with Lugia in either red/blue (if that’s possible) or even silver version.

[@Gokkee]

Great vid👌 Can't wait for the scyther vs pinser rivalry to be settled :) Keep up the great work 👌

[@isaacleillhikar4566]

I want to see Magmar, Electabuz and Jynx

[@michaelmills8205]

Re: Mimic Glitch. Would it be possible to arrange things so that you can permanent grab dream eater from one Gengar and carry it forward? I know that you don't like using glitches when possible (and it is impossible to avoid the badge boost glitch), but in a more glitched run, would this be a viable strategy?

[@pearofclubs6280]

I mean, you could. You could even pick the move you're overwriting, which would almost certainly be Mega Drain. It'd just require that Agatha cooperates, which seemed to be a problem for jrose here :P

[@michaelmills8205]

@@pearofclubs6280 Why not arrange for mimic itself to be overwritten? I suspect that Jrose doesn't know how to treat his grandma, given how he much trouble he has with Agatha, the old witch

[@marcosdheleno]

it would require a well timed mimic, and a bigger luck of getting a pokemon swapped with the gengar. its possible but highly unlikely.

[@robertomolina1986]

no glitches or exploits are allowed in these challenges, only the badge boost glitch is accepted

[@marcosdheleno]

@@robertomolina1986 and? his logic on the badge boost glitch is "if the enemy can activate it so should i", so i dont see why not use the mimic glitch as well, since its completely outside your control.

[@Param0unt]

Man, I've watched all your videos at least 2 times now, its nice to have a new one to watch several times over again

[@giftedfox4748]

I only watch these videos for the theme song section. This video theme song is a masterpiece and deserves respect and a golden record.

[@megamuffin15]

I'm really curious how Bellsprout would compare.

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

It's got Wrap, so that's certainly an edge.

[@muffinn1337]

@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 It also starts with Vine-wipe which is better than Absorb and Grows giving it an early badge-boost-glitch. So yes its gonna be way better.

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

@@muffinn1337 I hadn't considered Growth. Good point

[@SomeGuy-ty7kr]

I love how much emotion you can still put into this, even though it's after the fact :)

[@davveromeliloto4306]

I'm truly speechless. I love your videos every single time you upload one I, without fail, would watch it in bed after work and more often than not your voice lulled me to sleep. Today I have free time since it's a sunday and I started watching in the early afternoon and I fell asleep like a complete idiot on my sofa at 3 pm. Moral of the story I think I pavloved myself to sleep everytime I listen to your voice. LOL Thanks for the company Jrose!

[@lennydrummie4293]

Love the new video Jrose!! Excited for the voltorb run. Feel like it’s gonna be a decent first evolution run 👌🏼👀

[@yorulaney8563]

Me: what an interestingly painful run, let's see how it goes Jrose: I introduce to you the rocket Zubat *This Gon be good*

[@nickfarrell9639]

Can’t wait to watch this one. Keep up the good work bro.

[@Keseydoesit]

Jrose! Just wanted to say that even though you may have put out the video second, I'll watch your vids exclusively just because I enjoy your personality so much. Thanks for doing what you do

[@AndrewDavis2112]

That Mimic glitch happened to me during one of my challenges a while back and I had no idea why. Glad to know it’s because of the switch.

[@shadows531]

This run basically told the Dratini one to “hold my beer”.

[@itsamemario6588]

oh that's crazy that you and dry bread put out Oddish runs just a few days apart. I'm excited to see how your results differ.

[@trappx2]

Weeks I think but always fun to see what choices they make.

[@Guarnerz97]

Honestly love these videos! Much love! Looking forward to the BellSprout run. This looked painful

[@jbdixon4020]

1:03:04 it’s so ironic to hear JRose talk about needing to watch twitch streamers to relax, when JRose, I watch your videos to relax. thank you buddy, I really enjoy these

[@alexsabini7702]

Great video. 👍 please do Scyther as soon as you can. I know it's going to be hard because of the move pool but always been a favourite pokemon. I liked someone else's comment about doing Scyther vs Pinsar.

[@bvd_vlvd]

Yes, intro! I finally won't have to cry watching your videos anymore!

[@Deadbymidnight97]

As far as these types of runs go I find yours to be the best way to go about it, far more interesting having you go through the elite four without saving

[@jameswaumsley7701]

Great video as ever! I know you've said you won't go back and re-do runs, but it continues to make me sad seeing how low down Squirtle is. It's one of the best for these runs but back when you made it you didn't know about badge boosts yet and overwrote Withdraw without a second thought. With Withdraw Squirtle can beat the Elite Four in the mid-50s easily. I understand the reasoning for wanting only one try with each, but your own personal improvement at doing these runs obscures it. Maybe at some point you could do a "redux" video where you take some of those earlier pokemon that were perhaps hard done by and do a run through of all of them in one video, not showing the full runs but highlighting the major improvements and showing where they might go if you were doing them for the first time now? It could be interesting to compare, much like your improved minimum battles video.